Professors, In Rooms, Getting Coffee

Intercultural Competence in International Relations: Cultural Gaps and the Gulf Conflict

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Sat, 07 Dec 2024 13:00:00 +0000

In this episode of Professors in Rooms Getting Coffee, Justin and Stephen wrap up the conversation about Stephen's disseration. The conversation includes consideration of the complex distinctions between the perspectives of Iraq and the US leading up to the Gulf War, as well as cultural issues in the conduct of the 2003 war in Iraq.

The discussion includes recognition of both material and cultural issues. Stephen and Justin explore the apparent lack of intercultural competence in US foreign policy during this period, highlighting missed opportunities for recognizing the broader geopolitical instability. The episode touches upon the broader historical backdrop, including the fall of the Berlin Wall and the disintegration of the Soviet Union, and how these influenced global strategies.

They also speculate on counterfactual scenarios, such as how post-9/11 US foreign policy might have played out differently with increased intercultural competence. Stephen reflects on the intricate balance of reconstructing historical events, deploying critical realism to explore hypothetical alternatives while acknowledging inherent complexities.

The conversation further emphasizes the necessity of intercultural competence training for government and foreign policy sectors, advocating for an understanding of different cultural frameworks without compromising one's values. Stephen and Justin also discuss the personal and professional growth experienced through their PhD processes, highlighting the importance of research skills and critical thinking.

In a lighter vein, the hosts share holiday traditions and personal anecdotes, from family Advent activities to the challenges of persistent winter darkness in Berlin. Stephen recounts an extraordinary connection between his father and an Iraqi pastor, bridging their past wartime roles through shared faith.

As this episode marks a pause in the podcast, the hosts express gratitude for their audience's support over four years, indicating a thoughtful reflection on their journey and the meaningful conversations shared.

Timestamped Overview

00:00 Jenny's choir sang Handel's Messiah beautifully.

05:47 Seasonal illness disrupted schedules and plans.

14:40 Fascinated by archaeology; struggles finishing books.

18:55 Explored culture's impact on US foreign policies.

22:27 Cultural perceptions of time affect understanding.

28:37 Misunderstandings before the invasion of Kuwait.

32:44 US underestimated Iraq's honor-related power dynamics.

39:35 Culture's impact on perception of history is potentially significant.

47:56 Russia and the tendency toward pendulum swings misinterpreted by the US.

57:26 Reconsider cultural research methods; traditional insufficient.

01:02:44 Satisfied yet uncertain about project outcome completion.

01:09:44 Imposter syndrome, discipline, feedback, humility, growth.

01:11:17 Learning process shapes you as writer, thinker.

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Culture and Global Christian Reasoning

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Sat, 25 Nov 2023 12:14:00 +0000

In today's episode, we dive into Stephen's research on global Christian reasoning. We consider the four cultural frameworks Stephen evaluated in this context, and examine their impact on interpretations of several Bible passages. But before we get into all the intriguing details of Stephen's dissertation, we catch up with our hosts, Stephen and Justin, as they discuss the challenges of living in a new country, dealing with bureaucratic paperwork, daily life, and the refreshing discovery of meaning in liturgy.

As we delve into Stephen's research, we explore the existence of an epistemic community within global Christian reasoning and the importance of cultural self-awareness in theological reflections. We also touch on the complex issue of how culture and pre-understandings shape our interpretations of biblical texts, and the dangers of assuming a "plain meaning" without critical self-reflection.

Join us as we uncover the fascinating relationship between culture and global Christian reasoning - a theme with potentially massive implications for missiology and theology. Grab your favorite cup of coffee and join us for another engaging episode of "Professors, in Rooms, Getting Coffee"!

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Key Points

Challenges and Reflections

- Dealing with stress and overwhelm in work and personal life

- Recognizing the impact of changing weather and daylight savings time on moods

Liturgy and Church Traditions:

- Appreciation for liturgy, prayers, confession, Eucharist, and scriptures

- Comparing different church traditions and experiences

- Reflecting on the evolution of church practices over time

Global Christian Reasoning:

- Focus on understanding expressions of Christianity in the past century

- Accessible literature in English

- Focus on expressions of Christianity that emerged in the last 100 years

- Literature primarily in English, allowing for accessibility

- Understanding Christianity at multiple levels: epistemologically, cosmologically, theologically, and practically

Cultural Frameworks in Global Christian Reasoning:

- Examining cultural differences and their impact on shared text

- Identifying four cultural frameworks: shame/honor, past/future, consent/authority, good/evil

- Recognizing the importance of land, time, and suffering in the literature

- Translation and cultural perspective affect interpretation and meaning

- Potential for further research on shame, honor, guilt, innocence, and time orientation in biblical passages

Timestamped Overview

01:42 End of first full program year at Envision Berlin achieved. Exciting accomplishments and unexpected experiences.

06:05 Written prayers in Liturgy were more satisfying than spontaneous ones.

09:02 Stay focused on the core commitments.

11:19 New generation finds freedom in evangelicalism.

14:42 Stressed in daily life abroad.

17:30 Colleagues and friends overwhelmed by work and personal issues.

21:58 Seeking alternate definitions of culture for political science.

24:40 People writing about Christian thought worldwide, emphasizing Protestantism and recent expressions of Christianity, including practical aspects.

28:04 Limited focus, not comprehensive. Shared references, coherence.

30:43 Does culture exist? How does it matter?

34:42 Ethnic theologizing, response to western cultural influence.

38:23 Cultural differences matter in global Christian reasoning.

41:49 Different shades of meaning in text interpretation. Varying perspectives analyzed.

43:01 Searching scripture for cultural time differences.

46:32 Cultural differences impact shared understanding of text/events.

50:58 Culture and presuppositions impact our interpretation.

References

Local Theology for the Global Church

Return to Babel: Global Perspectives on the Bible

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Transparency in Methodology: Approaches, Limitations, & Conclusions

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Sat, 07 Oct 2023 16:18:25 +0000

Episode Overview

Welcome back to another episode of "Professors, in Rooms, Getting Coffee"! In this episode Stephen and Justin talk about how Stephen sought to challenge established answers within political science by approaching questions about culture from a different angle while maintaining the rigors of academic methodology. The episode explores cultural differences in the perception and interaction with time and the influence of these differences on various aspects of life. They also touch on the interpretation of sacred texts and the significance of methodology in research.

In their introductory reflections, Justin and Stephen explore the nuances of understanding spiritual attributes and whether they emerge naturally or require conscious effort. They also delve into the power of habits and routines in shaping our behavior, and the importance of prayer and scripture in encountering God. They also discuss the joy of creative expression and the beauty of creating for the sake of creation itself.

Get ready for an intellectually stimulating conversation on these intriguing topics and more. So grab your favorite drink, settle into your favorite chair, and join Elise, Stephen, and Justin for another enlightening episode of "Professors, in Rooms, Getting Coffee"!

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Key Points

1. The Importance of Habits and Affective Experiences in Shaping Behavior

Discussing a book that emphasizes the spiritual power of habit.
Challenging the hesitation in Protestant circles to talk about routines or habits.
Highlighting the benefits of developing positive habits and the transformative impact they can have.
Examining the practice of morning and evening prayer as a way to break down resistance and create a space to encounter God together.

2. Morning and evening prayer as a way to encounter God together

Breaking down resistance and creating space for encountering God
Making prayer and scripture important through the habit of morning and evening prayer
Struggles in communicating the importance of these practices without generating guilt
Benefits of regular prayer, especially during times of stress

3. Understanding the concept of abiding in the spirit and letting spiritual attributes emerge naturally

The importance of comprehending "abiding in the spirit" and the emergence of spiritual attributes.
Using examples like the fruit of the spirit from Galatians 5 as guidelines for personal improvement.
Questioning whether these attributes should be consciously willed into existence or naturally emerge from the work of the Spirit.
The disconnect between studying and being aware of these attributes versus actually embodying them.

4. The joy of creating for the sake of the creative process itself

Exploring digital music and synthesizers as a creative outlet.
Focusing on the creative process for its own sake, rather than for commodification.
Belief in creating as a response to God's creation, beauty, and even pain.
Finding richness and a sense of worship in the act of creating, regardless of the quality of the output.

5. Dissatisfaction with the portrayal of Christianity as a quick fix for all problems

Critique of the notion that encountering Jesus magically fixes issues overnight
Belief that bad habits do not necessarily imply distance from Jesus
Dissatisfaction with this perspective and desire for a deeper understanding

6. Challenging established answers within their field

Approaching questions in a different way while meeting method requirements
A desire to challenge established answers within the Stephen’s field of study.
Approaching questions in a different way while still meeting the method requirements of the field.
The acknowledgment that this methodology may face critique.
Engaging with relevant methods but arriving at different conclusions than what is commonly accepted.

7. Pursuit of reality and engagement with creativity and knowledge

Belief that reality is worth pursuing
Using creativity and knowledge to ask the right questions and imagine answers
Contrasting critical realism, positivism, and phenomenology

8. Understanding cultural differences in relation to time

Significance of variations in perception and interaction with time
Different orientations to time: past, future, and present
Monochronic and polychronic cultures' perspectives on time
Challenges in defining cultural approaches due to multiple interpretations

9. Different interpretations and versions of the Bible

Interest in how cultural perspective influences Bible interpretation
Exploring differing perceptions of the intended effect of the text

10. Importance of transparency and methodology in research

Need for transparency in approach and methods in a dissertation
Recognition that formulaic approaches are not sufficient
Self-reflection on methods and acknowledging limitations.

Timestamped Overview

[00:05:00] Attended international theological symposium hosted in France.

[00:06:12] Interacting with global leaders in theological education.

[00:12:46] Creating music as a response to life.

[00:18:24] "Morning and evening prayer to encounter God."

[00:22:09] challenging norms, tragedy in life, attending church to become more compassionate, blog for people to spill guts.

[00:28:19] Academic calendar offers flexibility and opportunity.

[00:32:17] Be transparent about methodology and limitations.

[00:40:15] Questioning field, engaging with different methods, new conclusion.

[00:47:20] Time perception varies among cultures. Complex and diverse definitions of cultural time.

[00:48:51] Cultural perspectives on time vary and matter.

[00:53:49] Timing and perspective shape cultural outlooks.

[00:58:22] Differences matter in international relations, misperceptions too.

[01:04:39] Interpreting Bible text through cultural perspectives.

[01:13:50] Cultural differences and US foreign policy.

[01:14:54] Research can feel like building a house of cards.

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Keywords

abiding in the spirit, improving oneself, embodiment, creating, established answers, different approach, methodology, critique, habits, spiritual power of habit, prayer, scripture, cultural norms, knowledge, phenomenology, researcher as an instrument, statistical data, performance, time, polychronic culture, Bible interpretation, linguistic work, dissertation methodology, limitations.

Intercultural Competence: Constructivism, Empathy, and Adaptive Frameshifting

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Mon, 10 Jul 2023 15:23:00 +0000

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Stephen and Justin dive into the topic of intercultural competence and the intercultural development continuum. They explore the complexities of understanding and experiencing different cultures, highlighting the role of constructivism in shaping our knowledge and frameworks. They challenge simplistic approaches to culture in international relations, emphasizing the need for nuance and understanding of cultural factors in conflicts. The hosts also discuss the stages of intercultural development, including denial, polarization minimization, acceptance, and adaptation. They also reflect on the importance of empathy in relating to others' experiences.

They touch on the fear and polarization that can arise when interacting with different cultural groups and the ethics of cultural differences. The episode concludes with a discussion on the importance of adaptation and the difference between assimilation and acknowledging one's insider-outsider status in intercultural interactions. Throughout the episode, the hosts share their personal reflections and experiences, including their own projects, such as a book about a woman's experience with war in Ukraine.

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Culture: from Embodied Experience to the Biggest Questions

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Wed, 10 May 2023 12:05:00 +0000

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In this episode, we discuss the difference between culture and worldview. Stephen explains how culture goes beyond differences in thinking and includes everything ranging from our sometimes wordless embodied experiences to our deepest assumptions about what the universe is and means. We talk about how cultural values frameworks help us to see the differences between cultures by posing important questions, and Stephen talks about how approaches to intercultural communication that look the same on the surface can actually differ significantly, depending on whether a traits-based or process-oriented dyanamic approach to culture is used.

We talk about the role of navigation in the development of the concepts of time, and how the approaches used at Greenwich reflect assumptions about what it means to know and research something. And, Stephen shares a just-for-fun project he was working on with his son.

Timestamped Overview

[00:02:19] New Keyboard Sparks Home Music Collaboration

[00:08:32] The Fascinating Connection Between Time and Navigation

[00:17:41] Inadequate Culture Definitions: Oversimplifying the Complex

[00:20:57] The Embodied Experience of Culture: Understanding Beyond Words

[00:26:12] Uncovering Cultural Differences: It's More Than Worldview

[00:30:14] Analyzing Humanity's Intrinsic Nature: Three Options

[00:32:48] The complexities of cultural research and approach

[00:36:51] Understanding Culture: Individualism, Collectivism, and Identity

[00:39:31] Cultural Frameworks and Our View of Death

[00:42:21] Intercultural Communication: A Process, Not Product

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Development of the Culture Concept

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Mon, 17 Apr 2023 12:00:00 +0000

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In this episode Justin and Stephen review the history of the culture concept and how evolutionary interpretations of cultures eventually were replaced by more helpful values-based approaches to intercultural relations. They also reflect on the importance of recognizing good faith actors when their are different interpretations of text or events. Justin asks about the relevance of Stephen's study for missiology.

The hosts also talk about the struggles of being present for their kids while balancing important tasks, homesickness (Heimweh), and perceptions about the US church from a distance. Tune in to join the conversation!

Timestamped Overview

[00:04:16] "New exhibit showcases breathtakingly bright artwork"
[00:05:28] "Homesickness After 20 Months Abroad"
[00:12:34] "Refreshing Encounter with US Ministry Leaders Abroad"
[00:16:44] Parenting and Master's program regrets
[00:23:03] "The relatively recent and messy concept of culture"
[00:24:27] "The flawed idea of cultural evolution"
[00:26:33] The Evolution of Culture: From Race to Values
[00:31:27] "Revamping Literature Review: Conference Insights & Resources"
[00:39:49] "Recognizing Good Faith Interpretations: Importance and Benefits"
[00:41:34] "Assuming Best Intent: The Key to Intercultural Relations"

Books referenced

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Surrender by Bono
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The SAGE Encyclopedia of Intercultural Competence by Janet M. Bennett(English Edition)
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The SAGE Handbook of Intercultural Competence by Darla K. Deardorff (English Edition)
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Intercultural Communication: A Reader: A Reader: Fortieth Anniversary Edition by Samovar and Porter, et al. (English Edition)
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An Introduction to Intercultural Communication by Condon and Yousef
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Counterfactual Research in Considering Culture

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Sat, 25 Mar 2023 17:45:00 +0000

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Counterfactual analysis was a new idea for Justin in this episode - Stephen explains how he used that approach to consider what might have happened if international relations actors had been able to excercise interculturally competent adaptive frameshifting. Justin asks Stephen how far the implications of his project carry, and Stephen discusses the limits of research programs like this.

The guys also talk about highlights, lowlights, and insights for the week. Justin reflects on the time of the year and Stephen considers the ways in which a 1,000 piece puzzle reflects his own experience of the last several months.

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Culture and International Relations

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Tue, 28 Feb 2023 11:45:00 +0000

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*Transcript now available (beta)* Justin and Stephen launch into a conversation about Stephen's dissertation dealing with the question of whether and how cultural differences matter in international relations.

They discuss how even though the question seemed obvious, that the literature in the field was missing conversations about culture in the way that intercultural relations scholars approach the idea. Justin asks Stephen about why he had to go outside of the political science field to find evidences of culture to bring back in to his research. This is the first episode of a series on Culture and International Relations, and we hope you find it enjoyable and interesting.

Justin and Stephen also discuss coffee, having fun, social anxiety, and the Crown Honor's banquet.

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Beauty and Intention, 2 of 2 Episodes with Jonathan Vinson

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Tue, 31 Jan 2023 15:43:00 +0000

In their introductory conversation, Justin and Stephen discuss the insight that led to the creation the Advent Special (Episode 19) Lament. Then, Professor and Filmmaker* Jonathan Vinson joins to conclude the conversation about beauty. Justin asks about the sometimes disappointing quality of Christian film and music.

Jonathan shares about theme in storytelling, and the ways in which Christian arts can end up undercutting their message by frontloading it and undercutting the story. Justin suggests that even attempts to write overt worship music can lose the message through jargonization.

Stephen asks whether the underlying issue is a lack of commitment to the art of storytelling, or whether the problem stems from a too-quick-resolution resulting from an inability to sit with tension, pain, and suffering. Jonathan considers how technical abilities, theological shortcomings, and philosophical hang-ups all contribute to reduced quality in Christian art, and suggests that narrative epistemology may provide a way to sit in the tension and maintain a prophetic voice.

In their highlights, lowlights, and insights, Justin and Stephen also discuss gracious and generous critique in scholarship, missing family over the holidays, the end of the semester, the feeling of February-forever, and Hope.

Jonathan Vinson is a photographer, filmmaker, and assistant professor from Crown College. He has a Masters of Theological Studies from Bethel University and a Masters of Fine Arts in Film and TV Production from Asbury University.

Jonathan's Film Paradise Strong: Surviving California's Deadliest Wildfire is available for streaming from Amazon*.

Recommended resources:

Episode 19 (Season 3): An Advent Lament
Stephen and Justin discuss "Brutal Honesty," Persistent Flaws, and Christian Community on Patreon (tier 2+ subscriber content)
The Poetics of Evil: Toward an Aesthetic Theodicy by Philip Tallon on Amazon*
The Gospels as Stories: A Narrative Approach to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John by Jeannine K. Brown on Amazon*
Bible Project video on hope

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An Advent Lament, with Music

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Thu, 15 Dec 2022 13:00:00 +0000

Christmas often comes as a time of light and joy, but it is often highlighted against a backdrop of sorrow. Justin and Stephen explore how lament, agreeing with God that things are not as they should be, can allow us to see more clearly what the arrival of Jesus as Messiah means historically, today, and as we look forward. They consider the question of faith in the midst of difficulty and how crying out to God, either about one's own difficulties or as an advocate for others, can be an expression of hope and trust.

Our special Advent episode features music from BiFrost Arts' album Lamentations: Simple Songs of Lament and Hope, Vol 1, as Justin and Stephen consider the connection between Lament, Hope, and Advent.

Featured songs include:

BiFrost Arts music used by permission. This episode also includes licensed music from SyncHits, OdinMann, and Audiophile Trax. Psalm 6 was presented from the NIV, Lamentations 3 was presented from the NLT.

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Beauty and Intention, 1 of 2 Episodes with Jonathan Vinson

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Thu, 24 Nov 2022 13:45:00 +0000

Professor and Filmmaker Jonathan Vinson joins to discuss his own journey of discovering beauty and how he defines it today. Justin and Stephen ask whether beauty is necessarily good or true. Together, they consider the relationship between aesthetic appeal and truth, and whether something can be both untrue and beautiful, or aesthtically unpleasing and true.

Justin and Stephen also discuss their highlights, lowlights, and insights for the week, and Justin shares his frustration with feeling like there is an absence of "brutal honesty" in Christian writing.

Jonathan's Film Paradise Strong: Surviving California's Deadliest Wildfire is available for streaming from Amazon.

Recommended resources:

Stephen and Justin discuss "Brutal Honesty," Persistant Flaws, and Christian Community on Patreon (tier 2+ subscriber content)
The Poetics of Evil: Toward an Aesthetic Theodicy by Philip Tallon on Amazon
The Gospels as Stories: A Narrative Approach to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John by Jeannine K. Brown on Amazon

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Hope, Despair, Politics, and Ephesians

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Wed, 02 Nov 2022 13:30:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen consider the implications of Ephesians for how Christians might approach life today, including how hope and despair stemming from contemporary politics may reveal eschatological drift. This episode is the last in the series on Justin's Ph.D. dissertation, which considered anti-imperial readings of Ephesians.

Justin's dissertation is now available as a book (also at Amazon).

Justin referenced his appearance on The Two Cities podcast.

Stephen and Justin also discuss their highlights, lowlights, and insights for the week. Justin reflects on the district conference and dealing with abuse in the church, and Stephen reflects on the war and being far from home.

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Truth, Humility, and Doctrine

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Mon, 10 Oct 2022 12:00:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen discuss the relationship between truth and humility, and Stephen suggests that encounters with truth should always be humbling. Justin considers the process of doctrinal development, and the guys process the risks involved with fossilization of doctrine. He also asks about what happens when we choosing to make doctrinal statements in areas where they may not be necessary. Stephen also reflects on the arrest of a former pastor the guys had formerly worked with, on charges of criminal sexual misconduct. They conclude the episode considering where they find hope.

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What Happened in Ephesians (2 of 3)

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Thu, 01 Sep 2022 10:00:00 +0000

Stephen asks Justin about Ephesians 2 and Ephesians 5. Justin suggests that in Ephesians 2, the author contrasts the way in which Jesus brings peace with the way that the Roman Empire brought peace. In a particularly difficult section of Ephesians 5, Justin considers whether the author's household code of ethics is set in contrast with the Roman Empire's code of household ethics.

In their highlights, lowlights, and insights, Justin and Stephen talk about Stephen's new eBike (it's just like Justin's!). Justin reflects on an encouraging back to school devotional time that his department shared with his colleagues at the College. Stephen shares about the joy of coming back to a familiar patterns of prayer. Justin reflects on engaging difficult passages in scripture, and what happens when engaging with the Bible (as opposed to not engaging with it) leads to difficulties in faith.

Credits: Regular Theme Music “A New Hope” by MeGustaMusic. This episode was partially recorded on the land of the Wahpekute, Anishinabewaki, and the Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux).

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What Happened in Ephesians (1 of 3)

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Sat, 30 Jul 2022 14:45:00 +0000

Stephen asks Justin what happened in Ephesians, as they start into the final series on Justin's dissertation. In today's episode, they talk through Ephesians 1:3-14, and whether this passage is intended to challenge Roman imperial ideology. Along the way, they discuss difficulties around interpretive ideas like supercessionism and predestination.

Justin gives a refresher on the speeach act idea that "x = y in C" and considers the question of whether the author Ephesians intended to confront Roman or other eschatologies by through the discussion of Jesus the Messiah. In particular, Justin considers the possibility that the Christ inaugurated a second exodus.

Justin and Stephen also discuss books they're reading, plumbing problems, carrying sadness, knowing Jesus through his historical context, and the question of what the church should look like.

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Truth and Relational Knowing (3 of 3)

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Sat, 09 Jul 2022 12:47:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen conclude the conversation with Marcus Dip Silas about relational knowing and the nature of truth. In today’s episode (pt. 3 of 3), they consider how truth is encountered and shared. Marcus talks about beauty and truth in cooking, and Justin shares about a project in which his students make a soundtrack for the Gospel of John. Marcus and Justin reflect on what Georgia O’Keeffe and Vincent Van Gogh communicate about truth. Stephen asks Marcus about where he finds hope. Justin and Stephen also talk about early morning sports, a recent gallery showing at Sprig, Envision Berlin’s creative space, and polarization in US society after the recent Supreme Court decisions. They will post more of their reflections about that on Patreon, before too long. We’re also inviting listeners to contribute questions on Patreon. Let us know what questions you have for us! Link: from the Gallery Showing at Sprig (on Instagram). We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com, and bonus material on Patreon!

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Truth and Relational Knowing (2 of 3)

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Sat, 25 Jun 2022 12:30:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen continue the conversation with Marcus Dip Silas about relational knowing and the nature of truth. In today’s episode (pt. 2 of 3), they consider what truth does. They consider how educational approaches reflect and perpetuate ideas of what truth is, and ask what effective measures of truth are, and what happens when authority interacts with truth selectively. Justin and Stephen also discussed more about the language learning process, and Justin shares about an upcoming episode of another podcast that he’s appearing on soon. We’re also inviting listeners to contribute questions on Patreon. Let us know what questions you have for us! Link: Stephen referenced these episodes of the Unterwegs podcast: • Episode 40: Cultural Transitions - Language Learning - Part 1 of 2 • Episode 41: Cultural Transitions - Language Learning - Part 2 of 2 We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com, and bonus material on Patreon! Find Profs in Rooms mugs and more here

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Truth and Relational Knowing (1 of 3)

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Wed, 15 Jun 2022 12:23:00 +0000

Marcus Dip Silas dropped by the Studio in Berlin to discuss relational knowing and the nature of truth with Justin and Stephen. In today’s episode (pt. 1 of 3), Marcus shares how his own background, including the postcolonial context where he grew up and his multiracial experience, are important to understanding how he considers what truth is. Justin also joined Stephen in the studio in Berlin for a special recording of highlights, lowlights, and insights! This is the first time the guys were in the same room while recording an episode! We’re also inviting listeners to contribute questions on Patreon. Let us know what questions you have for us! Link: Stephen referenced these episodes of the Unterwegs podcast: • Episode 40: Cultural Transitions - Language Learning - Part 1 of 2 • Episode 41: Cultural Transitions - Language Learning - Part 2 of 2 We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com, and bonus material on Patreon! Find Profs in Rooms mugs and more here

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Hermeneutics, Epistemology, and the New Testament (3 of 3)

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Sat, 14 May 2022 12:14:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen conclude the second series on Justin’s dissertation about Ephesians and the Roman Empire. Justin explains socially constructed institutional facts and provides key Speech Act Theory definitions. Stephen asks Justin whether his approach overly complicates Biblical interpretation. Justin and Stephen also explore the question of their own implied audience, what we know what the Bible means (not just what it says), and how Justin wrestles with avoiding doing elitist interpretation of the Bible. In their highlights, lowlights, and insights, Stephen reflects on the challenges of experiencing his own incompetence while language learning and Justin talks about an unexpected setback. We’re also inviting listeners to contribute questions on Patreon. Let us know what questions you have for us! We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com, and bonus material on Patreon! Find Profs in Rooms mugs and more here

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Hermeneutics, Epistemology, and the New Testament pt. 2 of 3

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Sat, 30 Apr 2022 12:07:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen continue the discussion of Justin’s dissertation about Ephesians and the Roman Empire. In the second part of this three part series, they talk about Speech Act Theory. Justin applies the ideas of Speech Act Theory to Ephesians 5 and Romans 13. In their highlights, lowlights, and insights, Justin shares about a good deal on a book, Stephen talks about trying to maintain multiple languages, and they reflect on accurately interpreting the church as it is today. Also check out Episode 8.5 on Patreon, in which Justin and Stephen talk about understanding the implied audience and why it matters in Biblical Studies. We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com, and bonus material on Patreon! Find Profs in Rooms mugs and more here

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Hermeneutics, Epistemology, and the New Testament pt. 1 of 3

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Sat, 02 Apr 2022 11:32:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen turn back to considering Justin’s dissertation about Ephesians and the Roman Empire. In the first part of this three part series, they talk about hermeneutics, and how many interpretive decisions are made before we even realize it. Justin talks about some of the limits of other approaches of Bible study, and then explains the relationship between implied and empirical authorship, and what difference it makes in interpreting scripture. Justin shares about an upcoming project, Stephen talks about losing a friend to illness, and they reflect on what it means to live in the present . We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com, and bonus material on Patreon! Find Profs in Rooms mugs and more here

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Art, Beauty, and Truth with Megan Yoder pt. 3 of 3

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:23:00 +0000

Megan Yoder joins Justin and Stephen again for the final installment of this 3 part series. In this episode, Megan reflects on Christian symbolism, arts and artists in the church, and hope. Justin talks about the joys of Spring, and he and Stephen also reflect again on the war in Ukraine, including ways in which they think about their own responses to the conflict. We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com, and bonus material on Patreon! Resources from this episode: • Culture Care by Makoto Fujimura (Book): at Bookshop.org • Memorial for the Victims of War and Tyranny at Neue Wache . Photo of the Statue Find Profs in Rooms mugs and more here

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Art, Beauty, and Truth with Megan Yoder pt. 2 of 3

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Sat, 05 Mar 2022 10:17:00 +0000

Megan Yoder joins Justin and Stephen again to help them think through the intersection of Art with Beauty and helps them expand their view to include intersections of Art with Truth, Wisdom, and Goodness. In part 2 of this 3 part series, Megan reflects on how Art might influence scholarship. Justin and Stephen also reflect on the war in Ukraine, and Stephen reflects on the weird dual-reality of life going on as “normal” while there is horrible conflict unfolding nearby. We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com, and bonus material on Patreon! Resources from this episode: • Culture Care by Makoto Fujimura (Book): at Bookshop.org • Memorial for the Victims of War and Tyranny at Neue Wache . Photo of the Statue Find Profs in Rooms mugs and more here

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Art, Beauty, and Truth with Megan Yoder pt. 1 of 3

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Sat, 19 Feb 2022 10:11:00 +0000

Megan Yoder joins Justin and Stephen to help them think through the intersection of Art with Beauty and them helps them expand their view to include intersections of Art with Truth, Wisdom, and Goodness. In part 1 of this 3 part series, Megan considers the ways in which Art expresses Truth, along with the limitations of words. Justin makes a couple of important corrections from Episode 4, and the guys talk about hope and uncertainty as they talk about highlights, lowlights, and insights for the week. We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com, and bonus material on Patreon! Resources from this episode: • Culture Care by Makoto Fujimura (Book): at Bookshop.org • Memorial for the Victims of War and Tyranny at Neue Wache . Photo of the Statue Find Profs in Rooms mugs and more here

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Empire, Interpretation, and the Bible pt. 3 of 3

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Sat, 05 Feb 2022 10:07:00 +0000

In Part 3 of 3 of this series, Justin discusses the Roman Imperial Eschatology in the 1st Century, and how it impacted the way 1st Century readers of Ephesians would have understood the Gospel of Jesus. Stephen follows up on the question from Part 1, about whether current events should impact our reading of scripture, and the guys talk about strengths and weaknesses of contextual readings of scripture. Justin and Stephen also talk about highlights, lowlights, and insights for the week, including language learning, cross-cultural experiences, questions about gun violence, and more. We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com, and bonus material on Patreon! Find Profs in Rooms mugs and more here

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Empire, Interpretation, and the Bible pt. 2 of 3

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Sat, 22 Jan 2022 10:00:00 +0000

In today’s episode, Justin and Stephen introduce the guiding themes for this season: truth, beauty, wisdom, and goodness. Then, in today’s second installment of this three part series, Justin discusses the Roman Imperial context in the 1st Century and considers how it matters for understanding the book of Ephesians. In particular, he introduces Roman treason laws, espionage, and imperial cults as important elements of context. Justin also wrestles with how Pauline or non-Pauline authorship impacts the Empire’s influence on the first readers of Ephesians. Justin and Stephen also talk about coffee and their highlights, lowlights, and insights for the week. We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com, including a wonderful picture of Jerry the Cat, and bonus material on Patreon!

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Empire, Interpretation, and the Bible pt. 1 of 3

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Sat, 08 Jan 2022 09:54:00 +0000

In the first of this three part series, Justin gives an overview of his dissertation about Empire in the book of Ephesians and introduces a few key ideas in Biblical scholarship. Stephen asks Justin to explain some of the complexities biblical interpretation. In particular, the question of whether and how contemporary events should impact readings of scripture comes up as Justin shares that the US invasion of Iraq in 2003 marked a turning point for Empire studies. This question of contextual readings of the New Testament comes back in the next few parts of this series. Justin and Stephen also talk about coffee and their highlights, lowlights, and insights for the week. We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com and bonus material on Patreon!

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What Shall We Call This?

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Sat, 18 Dec 2021 09:46:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen talk about the upcoming Season of Profs in Rooms. Stephen asks whether he still qualifies to be on the podcast, and Justin considers the question of the most consistent element of the podcast. We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com and bonus material on Patreon! To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com or become a patron. Resources from this episode: • Unterwegs, the En Route Podcast, is our sister podcast. In it, Stephen and Jennie have recurring series in which they discuss their transition to Berlin, Germany. Those conversations are based on Stephen’s book Transitions Across Cultures: Bookshop.org or Amazon

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Happy Summer!

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Mon, 14 Jun 2021 09:38:00 +0000

In this brief episode, Justin and Stephen talk through highlights, lowlights, and insights for the last couple of weeks as they wrap up Season 2. Watch for the longer meta-conversation Justina and Stephen had thinking through Season 2 on the Profs in Rooms Patreon. It is available at this link. We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com and bonus material on Patreon! To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com or become a patron. Resources from this episode: • Resources related to today’s episode: ◦ Unterwegs, the En Route Podcast, which Stephen mentioned at the beginning of today’s show. The first two series of the show chronicle the cross-cultural transition journey that Jennie and Stephen are on as they prepare to move to Berlin - more series later as they arrive and adjust to their new home! ◦ Stephen’s book Transitions Across Cultures: Bookshop.org or Amazon ◦ Videos and other resources for transitions: traxcultures.com ◦ Justin and Stephen’s Season 2 wrapup.

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Learning from Muslim Friends - with Rachel Pieh Jones

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Mon, 17 May 2021 09:33:00 +0000

In this episode, Rachel Pieh Jones joins Justin and Stephen again to discuss her new book Pillars: How Muslim Friends led me Closer to Jesus. She shares more about what her Muslim friends have taught her, especially about prayer and giving. Rachel also talks about what she wished American Christians understood about Muslims, and what brings her delight as she walks through life with her Muslim friends. Also in this episode, Justin and Stephen discuss end of year transitions - especially within academics, doing good for its own sake, and Stephen’s upcoming move. as they talk through their highlights, lowlights, and insights for the week. We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com and bonus material on Patreon! To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com or become a patron. Resources from this episode: • Resources related to today’s episode: ◦ S2. E.18 Profs in Rooms podcast conversation with Rachel Pieh Jones ◦ Rachel’s website ◦ Find Rachel on social media: ▪ Instagram: @rachelpiehjones ▪ Facebook ▪ Twitter: @rachelpiehjones ◦ Rachel’s book: Pillars: How Muslim Friends led me Closer to Jesus: On Bookshop.org | On Amazon ◦ Rachel’s book: Stronger than Death: How Annalena Tonelli Defied Terror and Tuberculosis in the Horn of Africa: On Bookshop.org | On Amazon About Rachel Pieh Jones Rachel Pieh Jones moved to Somaliland in 2003 and has lived in Djibouti since 2004. She and her husband run a school in Djibouti and she writes about life at the crossroads of faith and culture. Her work has appeared in the New York Times, Christianity Today, Runners World, and more. Her writing is influenced by living in the Horn of Africa, raising Third Culture Kids, and adventurous exploration of the natural world. She is the author of Stronger than Death: How Annalena Tonelli Defied Terror and Tuberculosis in the Horn of Africa and her newest book, just out in April is Pillars: How Muslim Friends Led Me Closer to Jesus.

Finding, Not Being, the Center - with Rachel Pieh Jones

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Mon, 03 May 2021 09:24:00 +0000

In this episode, Rachel Pieh Jones joins Justin and Stephen to discuss her new book Pillars: How Muslim Friends led me Closer to Jesus. Rachel shares her inspiration for the book, and talks about how discovering the core of her own faith allowed her to work on rooting out unhelpful beliefs, while also opening her to be more deeply present with people who are different from her. Rachel also talks about the unique joys of being a Christian in a place where Jesus-followers are in the minority, and what she has learned as she has deconstructed the idol of safety. In Episode 19, Justin and Stephen talk more specifically with Rachel about what she has learned from her Muslim friends. Also in this episode, Justin and Stephen discuss parenting and the way that memories are connected to material items as they talk through their highlights, lowlights, and insights for the week. We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com and bonus material on Patreon! To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com or become a patron. Resources from this episode: • Resources related to today’s episode: ◦ Rachel’s website ◦ Find Rachel on social media: ▪ Instagram: @rachelpiehjones ▪ Facebook ▪ Twitter: @rachelpiehjones ◦ Rachel’s book: Pillars: How Muslim Friends led me Closer to Jesus: On Bookshop.org | On Amazon ◦ Rachel’s book: Stronger than Death: How Annalena Tonelli Defied Terror and Tuberculosis in the Horn of Africa: On Bookshop.org | On Amazon ◦ Justin, Stephen, and Rachel discuss household help in more detail, on Patreon (for subscribers). About Rachel Pieh Jones Rachel Pieh Jones moved to Somaliland in 2003 and has lived in Djibouti since 2004. She and her husband run a school in Djibouti and she writes about life at the crossroads of faith and culture. Her work has appeared in the New York Times, Christianity Today, Runners World, and more. Her writing is influenced by living in the Horn of Africa, raising Third Culture Kids, and adventurous exploration of the natural world. She is the author of Stronger than Death: How Annalena Tonelli Defied Terror and Tuberculosis in the Horn of Africa and her newest book, just out in April is Pillars: How Muslim Friends Led Me Closer to Jesus.

Women in the First Century and Today, pt. 2 - with Holly Beers

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Mon, 19 Apr 2021 09:18:00 +0000

In this episode, Dr. Holly Beers helps Justin and Stephen develop better understanding about women’s experiences in biblical studies, higher education, and ministry. Holly talks about the process of discerning call, and what professors could know and do differently to help women students thrive. Holly also discusses how she pastors students working through deconstruction of faith, and how the local church is central to the work of God in the world today. Justin and Stephen discuss gun violence, and personal growth and change, as they talk through their highlights, lowlights, and insights for the week. We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com and bonus material on Patreon! To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com or become a patron. Resources from this episode: • Resources related to today’s episode: ◦ Part One of the conversation with Holly Beers (S2. E16) ◦ Holly Beers’ Westmont College faculty page ◦ A Week in the Life of a Greco-Roman Woman, by Holly Beers: On Bookshop.org | On Amazon ◦ The Making of Biblical Womanhood, by Beth Allison Barr, on Bookshop.org or Amazon. ◦ Jesus and John Wayne, by Kristin Kobes Du Mez, on Bookshop.org or Amazon. ◦ The Great Sex Rescue, by Sheila Wray Gregoire, Rebecca Gregoire Lindenbach and Joanna Sawatsky, on Bookshop.org or Amazon ◦ Justin and Stephen discuss gun violence in more detail, on Patreon (for subscribers). ◦ Stephen asks Holly about mentorships across genders, on Patreon (for subscribers, posts 4/21). About Holly Beers, Ph.D. Holly Beers is an associate professor of religious studies at Westmont College in Santa Barbara, California, where she teaches New Testament and Greek courses. She loves to research and write, though her primary passion is teaching and mentoring students in their various stages of faith development. She sees her academic work as her primary way of serving the church and believes passionately in the local church as the hub of God's kingdom work in the world. Holly is married to Max and they have three elementary-aged children with Old Testament, rather than New Testament, names: Noah, Moses, and Eden.

Women in the First Century and Today, pt. 1 - with Holly Beers

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Mon, 05 Apr 2021 01:20:00 +0000

In Part 1 of today’s conversation, Justin and Stephen talk with Dr. Holly Beers about her fascinating book A Week in the Life of a Greco-Roman Woman, and how developing a better understanding of the first century context can lead to more accurate, and more interesting, interpretations of the New Testament. They also consider the role of narrative in reaching understanding. Holly shares about how her own experiences have led her to pursue these topics more deeply along with her process of writing. In Part 2, Justin, Stephen, and Holly will talk about how we can understand similar themes today, and the implications for inter-gendered relationships. Justin and Stephen discuss Holy Saturday and who we imagine ourselves to be as they talk through their highlights, lowlights, and insights for the week. We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com and bonus material on Patreon! To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com or become a patron. Resources from this episode: • Resources related to today’s episode: ◦ Holly Beers’ Westmont College faculty page ◦ A Week in the Life of a Greco-Roman Woman, by Holly Beers: On Bookshop.org | On Amazon ◦ Justin and Stephen discuss 1st century slavery in more detail on Patreon. About Holly Beers, Ph.D. Holly Beers is an associate professor of religious studies at Westmont College in Santa Barbara, California, where she teaches New Testament and Greek courses. She loves to research and write, though her primary passion is teaching and mentoring students in their various stages of faith development. She sees her academic work as her primary way of serving the church and believes passionately in the local church as the hub of God's kingdom work in the world. Holly is married to Max and they have three elementary-aged children with Old Testament, rather than New Testament, names: Noah, Moses, and Eden.

Deconstruction and the Mustard Seed, Part 2

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Mon, 22 Mar 2021 01:14:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen continue their discussion about their own experiences of deconstruction of faith, including how the process of dismantling elements of their Christianity has helped them to start to see Jesus more clearly. They discuss their own experiences of doubt and hope. Justin and Stephen also discuss the murders in Georgia and the sometimes very unhelpful ways that people like them have responded to crises. We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com and bonus material on Patreon! To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com or become a patron. Resources from this episode: • True Tunes podcast: Rich Mullins episode • A recent Twitter discussion on deconstruction • More about Justin • More about Stephen

Deconstruction and the Mustard Seed, Part 2

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Mon, 22 Mar 2021 01:14:00 +0000

Deconstruction and the Mustard Seed, Part 1

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Mon, 08 Mar 2021 01:10:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen talk about their own experiences of deconstruction of faith, including how the process of dismantling elements of their Christianity has helped them to start to see Jesus more clearly. They look for useful metaphors for the process of dismantling broken parts of their belief system and talk about the particular risks and opportunities they have as profs. Justin and Stephen also discuss dissertation, teaching, Y2K, apocalyptic moments, and good coffee. We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com and bonus material on Patreon! To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com or become a patron. Find Profs in Rooms mugs and more here. Resources from this episode: • Heirs Coffee • A recent Twitter discussion on deconstruction • Perry’s Model of Cognitive and Ethical Development on Bookshop.org or Amazon • The episode on re-imagining Christian higher education with Thorsten Moritz • More about Justin • More about Stephen

Coffee Shop Theology - with Rob Mapstone

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 01:07:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen talk with Pastor Rob Mapstone about how using a local coffee shop as his primary office pushes him to integrate ground level theology into real life as he engages ministry. They talk about encouragement and disappointment in the church over the last year, and how changes in the process of preparing and credentialing people for ministry can create healthier expectations and better accountability. They wade into the waters of healthy support for and discipline of church leaders,* and consider the issues of white supremacy and Christian nationalism in the American church. Justin challenges popular conceptualizations of the “enemy,” and Rob expresses hope in what it looks like to honestly and deeply pursue Christ - to allow God to challenge and change us in every area of life. Justin and Stephen also discuss dissertation, kids, WWII and more as they talk through their highlights, lowlights, and insights for the week. We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com and bonus material on Patreon! To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com or become a patron. *This episode was recorded a week before the recent report detailing the horrible conduct of Ravi Zacharias came out and we were not aware of the report at that time. So, although we touch on some very relevant themes, we did not discuss that report in this episode. Find Profs in Rooms mugs and more here. Resources from this episode: • Resources from Justin and Stephen’s conversation: ◦ Michael Burleigh’s The Third Reich: A New History at Bookshop.org or Amazon. • Resources related to the Rob Mapstone ◦ The River Church in Chaska ◦ The Christian and Missionary Alliance About Rob Mapstone Rob is Pastor of The River Church in Chaska, MN. He teaches as an Adjunct Professor at Crown College and is a Candidate Developer for The Christian and Missionary Alliance. Rob and his wife have 4 kids, with the oldest in college.

(Short) Dissertation Writing

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Mon, 08 Feb 2021 01:04:00 +0000

In today’s short episode, Justin and Stephen talk about dissertation writing and try to figure out how Stephen can move forward now that he has gotten stuck in Chapter 5 of 7 of his dissertation. Justin shares reflections on his own dissertation writing experience. Today’s shortened episode brought to you by actual progress happening on Chapter 5 right now! We’ll be back next episode with a guest and full length conversation. We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com and bonus material on Patreon! To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com or become a patron. Resources from this episode: • Resources from Justin and Stephen’s conversation: ◦ Zotero bibliography management software

Public Witness, Respect, and Balance - with Soriba Joseph Camara

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Mon, 25 Jan 2021 12:49:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen talk with Pastor Soriba Joseph Camara, President of the Evangelical Protestant Church of Mali. Reflecting on the Malian church’s experience with political turmoil Pastor Joseph shares recommendations for American Christians navigating the tumultuous start to the year. Pastor Joseph also discusses the witness and reputation of the church in Mali, where Christians are estimated to be between 2% and 7% of the population. Together, they reflect on questions of contextualization and the maturing of the church in Mali as it wrestles with the mixed legacies of missionaries. Pastor Joseph shares what he finds encouraging as he thinks about the global church, and his recommendations for Christians today. Justin and Stephen also discuss the inauguration, civil religion, and cars, as they talk through their highlights, lowlights, and insights for the week. We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com and bonus material on Patreon! To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com or become a patron. • Resources from Justin and Stephen’s conversation: ◦ Amanda Gorman’s Poem: The Hill We Climb (video) ◦ Stephen’s short stories ◦ Switchback Coffee Roasters • Resources related to the conversation with Soriba Joseph Camara: ◦ Mali Church Legacy project (includes an opportunity to give) ◦ AGEMPEM Association of evangelicals in Mali ◦ Pastor Joseph’s church (facebook) ◦ A message (in French) by Pastor Joseph (facebook video) About Soriba Joseph Camara Soriba Joseph Camara is a pastor and has served as President of the Evangelical Protestant Church of Mali since 2012. He has a regular television broadcast on national television and a popular call-in radio program in Bamako. He was a long-time director of Reed Bible Institute, Bougouni. Pastor Joseph studied Biology at University in Mali before studying pastoral ministry at Grace University in Omaha, NE, and a Masters of Divinity at Calvary Seminary in Kansas City. Together with Dr. Yousef Dembele and Mama Josias Sako, Pastor Joseph hosted and taught more than 30 US students through Grace University’s six month EDGE program between 2007 and 2012. Pastor Joseph’s family includes Marthe, his wife of 33 years, and three adult children.

Faith without (Political) Power - with Marcus Dip Silas

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Mon, 11 Jan 2021 12:41:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen talk about last week’s attempted insurrection in Washington, D.C. Then, Marcus Dip Silas joins to discuss Christianity from a Malaysian perspective. They talk about what it means to learn from the church that lives without political power, in the shadow of colonization. They also discuss contextual theology and continue the ongoing conversation about Christian nationalism. Marcus reflects on the journey of living with a refugee that was in the process of resettling, the way of Mercy, and abiding in prayer and lament. We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com and bonus material on Patreon! To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com or become a patron.Resources from this episode: • Background episodes: ◦ Profs in Rooms Season 2 Episode 9: Jesus, Lament, and Advent Hope - with D.L. Mayfield ◦ Profs in Rooms Season 2 Episode 8: Bonhoeffer and Living for Others - with Joel LawrenceAbout Marcus Dip SilasMarcus Dip Silas is an aspiring interculturalist of Chinese, Punjabi, and Pakistani-Malay descent. Malaysian by nationality, He grew up in his home country as a third culture person for 19 years of his life, before pursuing his undergraduate studies at Crown College where he graduated with two bachelor's degrees - one in Intercultural Studies and the other in Biblical and Theological Studies with an emphasis in Greek. At Crown, Marcus was an active part of student life on campus as Student Senate VP in 2013-2014, and Member at Large of MuKappa, Crown's international student community. He was also a worship leader and played a key role in organizing Missions Festival, Crown's student-led missions conference. After graduating in 2015, Marcus moved back to Southeast Asia and embarked on a 4 year nomadic journey, immersing himself in numerous Christian communities across 18 different countries in Asia, America, and Europe, listening and retelling the stories of international workers and local believers alike. In 2018, he obtained a Graduate Diploma in International Development from the London School of Economics. He was also certified a Qualified Administrator of the Intercultural Development Continuum. As a graduate of a Christian and Missionary Alliance college, the CMA has a special place in his heart and he has retained a close connection with the CMA, cultivating relationships especially with members of CAMA and Envision. He has also come alongside international workers from organizations such as YWAM, Novo and Interserve. Marcus works as a creative, telling stories through videography, photography, and writing. During the Covid-19 movement restriction in Malaysia, Marcus started a home bakery for three months, selling basque burnt cheesecakes. He is currently writing a book on technology and engineering founders in the Malaysian state of Penang. He also writes a mish-mash of topics ranging from public health, local government policy in sustainability, and food and culture, for a local publication called Penang Monthly. Marcus is the founder of The Dips Collective or The Dips.Co, a bootstrapped non-profit business focused on refugee advocacy. The Dips.Co partners with refugees to tell their stories and raise funds to support Syrian refugees in Germany, Malaysia, and Brazil, as well as Kurdish and Ismaili IDPs in Northern Syria. Find out more about his work at www.thedips.co Marcus married Lauren in May 2019, whom he met at Crown in 2014. The couple moved to Kulim, Malaysia after the wedding and Lauren works at a language center as an English teacher. They serve the local church that his parents pastor and are also part of the community at the Penang House of Prayer or PenHOP, a prayer house connected to the International House of Prayer global network. Together, they frequently open up their home as a place of rest for ministry workers, and organize community nights often. • Marcus’s Website • Find him on Instagram

Credits: Regular Theme Music by Josiah Enns. This episode was recorded on the land of the Wahpekute, Anishinabewaki, Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux), and Semang Kensiu and Kintaq peoples. We may receive commission from Amazon or Bookshop.org for purchases made through some of our links. Thank you for your support.

Jesus, Lament, and Advent Hope - with D.L. Mayfield

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Wed, 23 Dec 2020 12:34:00 +0000

D.L. Mayfield, author of The Myth of the American Dream and Assimilate or Go Home, joins Justin and Stephen to think through what it means to live a Jesus-centered, love-your-neighbor faith. They wrestle with Christian Nationalism, what the word Evangelical means and how to relate to it, and the “thick gospel” of Jesus. They also discuss the painful process of engaging lament and the connection between Advent and lament. We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com and bonus material on Patreon! To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com or become a patron.Resources from this episode: • Resources from Justin and Stephen’s conversation: ◦ The book of Jude ◦ Charles Galbreath’s church videos • Background podcast: ◦ Profs in Rooms Season 2 Episode 8: Bonhoeffer and Living for Others - with Joel Lawrence • Resources related to the conversation with D.L. Mayfield: ◦ Never’s Decaf Coffee ◦ Reggie Williams: Bonhoeffer’s Black Jesus on Bookshop or Amazon ◦ Soong-Chan Rah and Mark Charles: Unsettling Truths on Bookshop or Amazon ◦ Bob Ekblad: Reading the Bible with the Damned on Bookshop or Amazon ◦ Lisa Sharon Harper: The Very Good Gospel on Bookshop or Amazon ◦ Emmanuel Katongole and Chris Rice: Reconciling All Things on Bookshop or Amazon ◦ Soong-Chan Rah: Prophetic Lament on Bookshop or Amazon ◦ Walter Brueggemann: Reality, Grief, Hope on Bookshop or Amazon ◦ Emma Green’s Article in the Atlantic ◦ Oliver Crisp’s Article on UK Evanglicalism ◦ Pew study on attitudes toward refugees • Music: ◦ “Complicated” by Arulo at Mixkit.co ◦ “O Come, O Come, Emmanuel” (Piano x Guitar Duet) by Bleerix is licensed under a Creative Commons License. About D.L. Mayfield: D.L. Mayfield is a writer and neighbor living in Portland, Oregon. Her most recent book is The Myth of the American Dream: Reflections on Affluence. She also has a podcast called Prophetic Imagination Station. • D.L. Mayfield’s Website • Find her on Instagram or Twitter • D.L. Mayfield: The Myth of the American Dream on Bookshop or Amazon • D.L. Mayfield: Assimilate or Go Home on Bookshop or Amazon

Bonhoeffer and Living for Others - with Joel Lawrence

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Mon, 07 Dec 2020 12:22:00 +0000

Joel Lawrence, Bonhoeffer scholar and Executive Director of the Center for Pastor Theologians, joins Justin and Stephen to discuss the life, theology, and ethics of Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Joel also talks about the difficulties and benefits of applying the lessons of 20th century Germany to the American context today. The discussion includes conversation Bonhoeffer’s time in the US, the African American influence on Bonhoeffer, and the illegal seminary at Finkenwalde. Justin, Stephen, and Joel discuss themes of confession (vs. accountability), morality, ethics, the church in a world come of age, Christian nationalism, power, and eschatology. They also consider the role of pastor theologians and the academy. Justin and Stephen also consider the theme of nostalgia as the holidays approach. We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com and bonus material on Patreon! To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com or become a patron. Resources from this episode: • Resources from Justin and Stephen’s conversation: ◦ Prof in Rooms guest (S2, E1) Michial Farmer on “The Uses of Nostalgia” ◦ Stephen’s post about “Feeling the Loss in Leaving” ◦ Stephen’s book Transitions Across Cultures on Bookshop or Amazon • Background podcasts and videos about Bonhoeffer and about Joel: ◦ Two podcasts episode Joel appeared on entitled “Dietrich Bonhoeffer's Pastoral Journey” ◦ Lecture (video) Joel gave entitled “Death Together: Dietrich Bonhoeffer on Becoming the Church for Others” ◦ Podcast about “Becoming a Pastor Theologian” • References from the conversation with Joel: ◦ Center for Pastor Theologians ◦ Martin Buber’s I and Thou on Bookshop or Amazon ◦ James Loewen’s Sundown Towns on Bookshop or Amazon ◦ Kathrine Stewart’s The Power Worshippers on Bookshop or Amazon ◦ Joel’s article “Pastoring in the Age of Anger” ◦ Pankaj Mishra’s Age of Anger on Bookshop or Amazon ◦ Oliver O’Donovan’s Common Objects of Love on Bookshop or Amazon ◦ Jaques Ellul’s The Subversion of Christianity on Bookshop or Amazon ◦ Jaques Ellul’s Money and Power on Bookshop or Amazon ◦ Jaques Ellul’s The Technological Society on Bookshop or Amazon • Bonhoeffer Resources: ◦ Joel’s book: Bonhoeffer: A Guide for the Perplexed on Bookshop or Amazon ◦ Bonhoeffer: Sanctorum Communio on Bookshop or Amazon ◦ Bonhoeffer: Christ the Center on Bookshop or Amazon ◦ Bonhoeffer: Ethics on Bookshop or Amazon ◦ Bonhoeffer: Cost of Discipleship on Bookshop or Amazon ◦ Bonhoeffer: Life Together on Bookshop or Amazon ◦ Bonhoeffer: Letters and Papers from Prison on Bookshop or Amazon ◦ Bonhoeffer: Creation and Fall on Bookshop or Amazon ◦ Martin Doblmeier’s documentary: Bonhoeffer at IMDB ◦ Eberhard Bethge’s Dietrich Bonhoeffer: A Biography on Bookshop or Amazon ◦ Paul House’s Bonhoeffer’s Seminary Vision on Bookshop or Amazon ◦ Bonhoeffer: Act and Being on Bookshop or Amazon About Joel Lawrence: Dr. Joel Lawrence serves as the Executive Director of the Center for Pastor Theologians. Prior to this role, Joel served for seven years as the Senior Pastor of Central Baptist Church (St Paul, MN) and for eight years on the faculty at Bethel Seminary, teaching systematic theology and ethics. Joel holds degrees from Texas A&M University (B.A.), Dallas Theological Seminary (ThM.), and Cambridge University (MPhil. and PhD.). He is the author of Bonhoeffer: A Guide for the Perplexed (T&T Clark, 2010), as well as numerous articles and chapters in books on a variety of theological and pastoral subjects.

Pain, Poetry, Joy, and Rest - with Smiley Abrams

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Mon, 23 Nov 2020 02:25:00 +0000

Poet and spoken word artist Jason “Smiley” Abrams joins this episode to talk about his process of writing poetry, and how performing it transports him back into the emotional space that the poem responded to. Smiley shares how God met him through dark times in his life and how he got his name. Smiley also reflects on mentoring, the church, and campus ministry in the age of COVID. Smiley shares two of his poems from Curing the Midas Touch, and this episode includes excerpts from Smiley’s spoken word album 3:13 AM, including clips from WYD, Hopelessness Disease, Trust God Period, and Darkest Valley. We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com and bonus material on Patreon! To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com or become a patron. Resources from this episode: • Smiley’s Website • Smiley’s Spoken Word Album: 3:13 AM • Smiley’s book Curing the Midas Touch at Amazon or Bookshop.org • Find Smiley on: Facebook, Instagram, or Twitter • Andy Abrams Foundation • Special Resources on Patreon: ◦ Cut conversation Justin and Stephen had about politics (free) ◦ Stephen’s recent devotional message from a local youth group (free) ◦ Smiley talks about his artistic influences (all patron access) ◦ Smiley talks about publishing his book (all patron access) ◦ Justin reflects on leaving a legacy (all patron access) ◦ Conversation about teaching and technology in 2020 (all patron access) ◦ Justin and Stephen reflect on the conversation with Smiley (tier 2 and 3 patron access) About Jason “Smiley” Abrams: Jason "Smiley" Abrams is an inspirational speaker and poet. He has been in full-time ministry since 2008. He is the author of Curing The Midas Touch. He currently resides in Mississippi, serving as an Area Ministry Director for InterVarsity Christian Fellowship supervising college ministry in the entire state of Mississippi, Memphis, and West Florida. Smiley is also the co-founder of The Andy Abrams Foundation, a nonprofit in honor of his late father. His first spoken word album, entitled 3:13 AM, is available now on all music streaming platforms.

Relational Health in 2020 - with Pang Foua Rhodes

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Mon, 09 Nov 2020 02:20:00 +0000

Marriage and family therapist Dr. Pang Foua Rhodes joins the Profs for a wide-ranging conversation including family stress in 2020, experiencing church, and using healthy boundaries as we navigate the systems that we find ourselves in. They discuss the recent election and have a conversation about abortion and sexuality. Pang Foua shares her experience of being on a committee that is reviewing how their shared denomination interacts with diversity, and she shares some thoughts about Christian higher ed. We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com and find bonus material on Patreon! To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com or become a patron. Resources from this episode: • Pang Foua’s Website • Ruth Julian’s Chapter is in This Book • Gary Nebeker’s Article on Preunderstandings • The Article Stephen Mentioned about the Christians and Politics • He’s Alive Song by Don Francisco • Stephen’s Book about Navigating Transitions Pang Foua (Pung-fō) Rhodes is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT) in private practice. Her clinical work focuses on couples therapy and family therapy with Asian Americans. She was an assistant professor at Argosy University for 10 years, teaching in the MA and DMFT programs. In 2014, she and her husband, Greg, planted RiverLife Church, whose vision is to bring hope, healing, and growth to second and third generation Hmong in the Twin Cities. Pang Foua serves as the Spiritual Growth Director. She and Greg have been married 26 years. Their special blessing is shepherding and pouring into other people's children, since they do not have children of their own. Pang Foua is currently pursuing a writing career.

Credits: Regular Theme Music by Josiah Enns. Photo by Preston Goff on Unsplash This episode was recorded on the land of the Wahpekute, Anishinabewaki, and the Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux). We may receive commission from purchases made through some of our links. Thank you for your support.

Faith and Politics - A Pre-Election Special

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Mon, 26 Oct 2020 02:15:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen talk about coffee, dissertation writing, how to decide when it’s time for graduate school, and the fragility of the human psyche, before they jump into today’s episode about faith and politics. The Profs incorporate listener questions and comments as they reflect on all sorts of questions at the intersection of politics and Christianity. They consider the perspectives of non-American Christians on the American political environment. They ask about self-interest in voting and what it means to love your neighbor as you consider your voting agenda. They talk about ranked choice voting, the political process, defining the problem, and political variation among followers of Jesus. And Justin and Stephen get into the BIG questions about eschatology, idolatry, and ask about what the truest truth is in our lives. We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com and find bonus material on Patreon! **Correction: Between the time that we recorded (10/23) and published (10/26) the Mark Charles campaign received word that they have been approved as a write-in option for MN. To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com or become a patron. Resources from this episode: • John Piper’s Article • Info on Ranked Choice Voting • Rondell Treviño on Twitter

Foundation repair in the Church- with Charles Galbreath

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Mon, 12 Oct 2020 01:55:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen talk about the presidential debates, the dissertation process, and then are joined by Charles Galbreath to discuss his multicultural church context in Brooklyn. Charles talks about the lessons he has learned from pastoring his diverse and largely Black congregation, with congregants from many different linguistic and cultural backgrounds. He also discusses what it means to be a pastor not only to his church but also for his neighborhood. Charles, Justin, and Stephen talk about how the American church has responded to the events of the last six months, particularly around racial trauma and injustice. They also discuss the relationship between the church and Christian higher ed, and how the people of Jesus could be leading discussions of justice instead of reacting to them. Charles explains why he is both encouraged and discouraged and repeats Jesus’s question about whether we want to be healed. We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com and find bonus material on Patreon!The Reverend Charles Oliver Galbreath, affectionately known as Pastor Charles, serves as the Senior Pastor of Clarendon Road Church (CRC) in Brooklyn, New York. In addition to his responsibilities at CRC, Pastor Charles also has the privilege of serving as the Director of Field Education and Adjunct Professor at Alliance Theological Seminary in New York City. In 2017, he was elected to the Board of Directors for the Christian and Missionary Alliance denomination. Pastor Charles currently serves on New York City Mayor’s Sector Advisory Council for COVID-19, Brooklyn Community Board 17, the SUNY Downstate Medical Center’s Community Advisory Board, he is the treasurer of the 67th Precinct Clergy Council and the chairperson of New York State Senator Kevin Park’s Census Complete Count Committee. Pastor Charles has served as a member of the District Executive Committee for the Metropolitan District of the C&MA and Co-Chair of the 45th Council District Committee in Brooklyn, NY, and as Vice President of the Association of African American Church of the C&MA Pastor Charles received his undergraduate degree at Nyack College, graduating magna cum laude. He also holds graduate degrees in divinity and theology from Alliance Theological Seminary and Princeton Theological Seminary. Pastor Charles earned his Ph.D. from Fordham University’s Graduate School of Religion and Religious Education in 2020. In 2011, Pastor Charles was awarded the Young Alumnus of the Year Award at Nyack College and in 2017 he was inducted into the Honor Society of Phi Kappa Phi at Fordham University. The son of a preacher and pastor, Pastor Charles was raised in the Baptist and Pentecostal traditions, yet his journey has weaved him through an amalgamation of experiences from Mainline to Evangelical. He has served in ministries in Maryland, Pennsylvania, Harlem, Queens and Brooklyn, New York. Charles is married to his college sweetheart Flobien Vidal Galbreath. Together they are the proud parents of Charles Oliver Galbreath, Jr. (C.J.), Malia Marie Galbreath and Grayson Alexander Galbreath. To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com or become a patron. Resources from this episode: • Clarenden Road Church • Charles Galbreath at Clarenden Road Church • Leah Gunning Francis’s book: Ferguson and Faith • Stephanie Mitchem’s book: Race, Religion and Politics • Johnathan Walton’s book: A Lens of Love • Paulo Freire’s book: Pedagogy of the Oppressed • Tim Keller’s article: A Biblical Critique of Secular Justice and Critical Theory • Tim Keller’s book: Generous Justice This episode’s Patreon bonus content includes a conversation on the prophetic voice of hip hop. It will be posted on 10/19. We may receive commission from purchases made through some of these links. Thank you for your support.

Credits: Regular Theme Music by Josiah Enns. Photo by Preston Goff on Unsplash This episode was recorded on the land of the Wahpekute, Anishinabewaki, and the Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux).

Intersex, Complexity, and Theology- with Megan DeFranza

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Tue, 29 Sep 2020 01:47:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen start by reflecting on Breonna Taylor, bureaucracy, and the risk of competitive authoritarianism in American democracy. Megan DeFranza joins to discuss the lived experiences of intersex people and the risk of literal lifelong damage that can come through the lack of understanding. Megan shares how her search for theological truth led her into a place of advocacy for others, and how following Jesus can lead to moments of holy disruption. Megan, Justin, and Stephen discuss the practical consequences of ideas and the role of theologizing in shaping our responses to the world. Megan discusses her new film as well as why she continues to identify as an evangelical. Megan also provides some insight on the complex relationship between Intersex and LGBT experiences. We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com and find bonus material on Patreon! About Our Guest: Megan DeFranza is a theologian, author, speaker, and film-maker. Author of Sex Difference in Christian Theology: Male, Female, and Intersex in the Image of God (Eerdmans) and a contributing author to several volumes including Two Views on Homosexuality, the Bible, and the Church (published by Zondervan) and most recently Understanding Transgender Identities: Four Views (published by Baker) You can learn more about Megan at www.megandefranza.com. To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com or become a patron. Resources from this episode: • Megan DeFranza • Megan on Twitter • Stories of Intersex and Faith Film • Sex Difference in Christian Theology by Megan DeFranza • Two Views on Homosexuality, the Bible and Church (book) • Understanding Transgender Identities: Four Views (book) • Competitive Authoritarianism by Levitsky and Way

Credits: Regular Theme Music by Josiah Enns. Photo by Preston Goff on Unsplash This episode was recorded on the land of the Wahpekute, Anishinabewaki, and the Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux).

Re-imaging Theological Education- with Thorsten Moritz

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Mon, 14 Sep 2020 01:20:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen start by reflecting on the purpose of higher education and are joined by Dr. Thorsten Moritz to discuss doing theology as hermeneutically intelligent engagement at the point of real life. Thorsten reflects on his experiences as a professor and dean in the UK, Germany, and the US, and as the founder of Warehouse Theology, as he shares the vision of turning every aspect of higher ed upside down in pursuit of better theological education. Thorsten helps Justin and Stephen think through the relationship between subjectivity and objectivity, using the lenses of positivism, phenomenalism, and critical realism. They also discuss the benefits of teaching students outside of the classroom through developing co-creative spaces, especially in international settings. And, Thorsten makes a bold claim about what it means to be human. We have plenty of show notes for you at profsinrooms.com and find bonus material on Patreon! To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com or become a patron. Resources from this episode: • Warehouse Theology • Warehouse Theology on Instagram • Cubacu • Stephen’s book on related themes: Social Constructivism and Christianity

Credits: Regular Theme Music by Josiah Enns. Photo by Preston Goff on Unsplash This episode was recorded on the land of the Wahpekute, Anishinabewaki, and the Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux).

What is Education for anyway? with Michial Farmer

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Mon, 31 Aug 2020 01:11:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen discuss the sting of death (before we knew about Chadwick Boseman’s passing) and hardness of heart in the Church. Michial Farmer joins to discuss the purpose of higher education and describes his journey of evaluating why he was a professor. He shares the unique possibilities he sees at the intersections of the Humanities and Christian Higher Education. The three profs ask where there might be a different way forward. Michial highlights the importance of seeing things as they are, and loving them for what they are. They consider the need for ethical reasoning, and Michial describes the process of his career change. After we recorded, Michial published an article on Christianity and the Liberal Arts entitled Much Higher Education. We have plenty of show notes for you at profsinrooms.com or find bonus material on Patreon! To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com. Resources from this episode: • Michial’s article: Two Forms of Despair • Michial’s article: The Uses of Nostalgia • Christian Humanist Radio Network • John Mark Reynolds St Constantine School • Zena Hitz • Front Porch Republic • Philip Sidney’s The Defense of Poecy • Fyodor Dostoevsky’s The Brothers Karamazov and The Idiot • Joy Kogawa’s Obasan • Pam Muñoz Ryan’s Esperanza Rising • Thomas Friedman’s Thank you for Being Late • Dietrich Bonhoeffer’s Life Together • Judith Guest’s Ordinary People • T.S. Eliot’s Preludes

Regular Theme Music by Josiah Enns. Photo by Preston Goff on Unsplash This episode was recorded on the land of the Wahpekute, Anishinabewaki, and the Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux).

Reflecting on the Summer

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Fri, 21 Aug 2020 12:58:00 +0000

In the final episode of season 1, Justin and Stephen talk coffee and reflect on highlights, lowlights, and insights from the summer. They also share their hopes and fears for the coming year. More resources at profsinrooms.com To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com. Resources from this episode: • Intercultural and International Leadership Institute

Regular Theme Music by Josiah Enns. Photo by Preston Goff on Unsplash This episode was recorded on the land of the Wahpekute, Anishinabewaki, and the Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux).

Black women, Black lives, and Focus - with Q Nellum

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Fri, 14 Aug 2020 03:09:00 +0000

Q Nellum joins Justin and Stephen to discuss her work as a Black entrepreneur and the process of leading organizations in their goals of becoming more effective in their diversity. She also discusses the difficulties of maintaining focus on social media messaging, what Black Lives Matter means to her, the unique struggles facing Black women, and finding inspiration in the Old Testament and the life of Jesus. Justin and Stephen also talk about colonized experiences of Christianity, individual vs. corporate issues in making change, and family with COVID. More resources at profsinrooms.com To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com. Resources from this episode: • Q Inc • Q on Twitter and Instagram • Q’s Bible Reading Plan • Jemar Tisby’s Color of Compromise • Dee Brown’s Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee • Walter Wink’s The Powers That Be • Intercultural and International Leadership Institute

Regular Theme Music by Josiah Enns. Photo by Preston Goff on Unsplash This episode was recorded on the land of the Wahpekute, Anishinabewaki, and the Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux).

Checking in at the Ranch - with Levi Gosnell

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Fri, 07 Aug 2020 03:02:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen talk with cattle rancher Levi Gosnell about life on the ranch, including mental health among farmers and ranchers, COVID’s impact on the local volunteer fire department, the complicated relationship between ranching and the environment, and the invisibility of producers to many consumers. They also discuss hopes for the next generation of Christ-followers and Levi’s church’s response to COVID. Justin and Stephen also talk golf, the explosion in Beirut, and the complicated ways in which academics think about theories. More resources at profsinrooms.com To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com. Resources from this episode: • Levi’s YouTube Channel • NASA Article • Suicide rate in agriculture (as Levi mentions, there was a previous erroneous report that has been rescinded) • Grassland management and the environment • Tim Keller’s article on Critical Theory • Propaganda’s comments about CRT

Regular Theme Music by Josiah Enns. Photo by Preston Goff on Unsplash This episode was recorded on the land of the Wahpekute, Anishinabewaki, and the Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux). Editing Assistant for this episode: Linsey Zell

Bridging and Tension - with Jon Lundberg (2 of 2)

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Fri, 31 Jul 2020 02:45:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen talk about dualism in conversations about race, and the particular difficulties of holding relationships with family in tension with the goals of justice. In the second half of their conversation with Jon Lundberg, they discuss what it means to be a bridge and how that involves both tension and love, as well as silence and speech. Jon shares his Minneapolis neighborhood’s experiences during the unrest after George Floyd’s murder. Justin and Stephen geek out at the end and discuss the practical contributions of intercultural theory and theology and the challenges involved in perceiving the world in multiple ways. More resources at profsinrooms.com To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com. Resources from this episode: • The Forbes Article Stephen mentioned about antiracism • A cautionary article about racist antiracism material • Social Constructivism and Christianity book

Wrestling with Whiteness with Jon Lundberg (1 of 2)

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Fri, 24 Jul 2020 02:42:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen revisit the issue of abled-ness being temporary, and then discuss what Justin has recently learned about Minnesota’s troubling history with the Dakota people. They are joined by Jon Lundberg to talk about his process of coming to understand what it means to be white, including time he spent working with Dr. John M. Perkins. They also discuss the challenges of having good conversations about race and whiteness, especially with other white people. More resources at profsinrooms.com To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com. Resources from this episode: • The United States-Dakota War Trials: A Study in Military Injustice article by Carol Chomsky • Being White (IVP Book) by Harris and Schaupp

Doctrine of Discovery and Opportunity for Change - Mark Charles (2 of 2)

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Fri, 10 Jul 2020 02:33:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen are joined by 2020 US Presidential candidate Mark Charles (Independent) to discuss the doctrine of discovery, the US Constitution, Lincoln’s legacy, and American Exceptionalism. Mark also talks about why he thinks we are in a unique moment in time to generate change. Justin and Stephen discuss Independence Day, the South Dakota Black Hills, and the Old Testament. Find more resources at profsinrooms.com To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com. Resources from this episode: • Article about the Black Hills Settlement • Postulating Solutions podcast with John P. Perkins and Matthew J. Watts • NIV Sola Scriptura Bible Set • Unsettling Truths by Soong-Chan Rah and Mark Charles • TEDx Talk on the Doctrine of Discovery by Mark Charles • Mark Charles 2020 Campaign • Mark Charles 100 Day Plan • Native Lands Map • Reflections from the Hogan blog About Mark: Mark Charles is a speaker, writer, and consultant. The son of an American woman (of Dutch heritage) and a Navajo man, Mark teaches the complexities of American history regarding race, culture, and Christendom in order to help forge a path of healing and conciliation for the nation. In 2012, Mark hosted a public reading at the US Capitol of the buried apology to Native peoples in the 2010 Department of Defense Appropriations Bill given by the 111th Congress. He is the co-author of the book, Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery, and he authors the blog Reflections from the Hogan. He is a co-founder of the Would Jesus Eat Frybread? college-conference series and has served on the boards of the Christian Reformed Church of North America and the Christian Community Development Association. Mark is currently an independent candidate for the presidency of the United States, advocating for a Truth and Conciliation Commission – a formal and national dialogue on issues of race, gender, and class.

Presidential Candidate Mark Charles (Part 1 of 2)

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Fri, 03 Jul 2020 02:29:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen are joined by US Presidential candidate Mark Charles (Independent) who discusses his campaign and the vital perspectives of indigenous peoples in the US. Mark also talks about biases that he has found embedded in presidential electoral politics and he poses a surprising and powerful question. Justin and Stephen also discuss the Postulating Solutions podcast, critical theory, and the difference between perceived and actual distinctions between the political left and right. Find more resources on the episode homepage. To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com. Resources from this episode: • Postulating Solutions podcast • Native Lands Map • Unsettling Truths by Soong-Chan Rah and Mark Charles • Reflections from the Hogan blog • Would Jesus Eat Frybread conference series • Mark Charles 2020 Campaign About Mark: Mark Charles is a speaker, writer, and consultant. The son of an American woman (of Dutch heritage) and a Navajo man, Mark teaches the complexities of American history regarding race, culture, and Christendom in order to help forge a path of healing and conciliation for the nation. In 2012, Mark hosted a public reading at the US Capitol of the buried apology to Native peoples in the 2010 Department of Defense Appropriations Bill given by the 111th Congress. He is the co-author of the book, Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery, and he authors the blog Reflections from the Hogan. He is a co-founder of the Would Jesus Eat Frybread? college-conference series and has served on the boards of the Christian Reformed Church of North America and the Christian Community Development Association. Mark is currently an independent candidate for the presidency of the United States, advocating for a Truth and Conciliation Commission – a formal and national dialogue on issues of race, gender, and class.

Listening, Remembering, and Native Experience - Christian

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Fri, 26 Jun 2020 02:26:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen are joined by Christian Curtis, who is an enrolled member of the Fort Peck Sioux and Assiniboine Tribe and is a nurse with the Health Promotion Disease Prevention program in Fort Peck. Christian shares about Native experiences of COVID-19. They also discuss the ways in which to listen and remember, and Justin and Stephen consider ways in which listening to others may help in understanding who God is and what Christianity means. To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com. This episode was recorded on the land of the Wahpekute, Anishinabewaki, and the Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux). Resources from this episode: • Native Lands Map • Connect with Christian • The End of Memory by Volf • You can see Justin’s pictures from the George Floyd Memorial on the episode homepage

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Colorblindness v. Deconstructing Race - with John P. Perkins(part 2)

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Sat, 20 Jun 2020 02:17:00 +0000

n the second half of their conversation with John P. Perkins, Justin and Stephen consider the problems with colorblindness and the necessity of deconstructing race. They also discuss practical ways forward for each of them. Part 1 was aired in Episode 12. Resources from this episode: • 20 20 20 Economic Justice and Equity Initiative Petition and Explanation • Postulating Solutions Podcast with John Perkins and Anthony D. Bobo, Jr. • Commissioned to Love by Perkins and Bobo • Danger of a single story TED Talk • MS State Senator’s reference to a hanging • Al Sharpton’s speech at the Minneapolis memorial for George Floyd • When Helping Hurts by Corbett and Fikkert • Up from Slavery by Booker T. Washington • The Autobiography of Malcom X as told to Alex Haley • Race the Power of An Illusion video series • Race the Power of An Illusion companion website • The Trouble with Racial Reconciliation by Dr. Kenneth Young • Divided by Faith by Emerson and Smith • Social Constructivism and Christianity by Stephen W. Jones

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Politics, Race, and Development - with John P. Perkins(part 1)

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Fri, 19 Jun 2020 02:02:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen think through the recent developments in American society. They are joined by Pastor John P. Perkins, grandson of civil rights leader Dr. John M. Perkins, who just celebrated his 90th birthday. Together, they discuss Dr. Perkins’ legacy in Pastor John’s life, as well as reflections on George Floyd and the protests that have followed. Part 2 will be aired in Episode 13. Resources from this episode: • Postulating Solutions Podcast • Danger of a single story TED Talk • MS State Senator’s reference to a hanging • Al Sharpton’s speech at the Minneapolis memorial for George Floyd • When Helping Hurts • Up from Slavery by Booker T. Washington • The Autobiography of Malcom X as told to Alex Haley • Race the Power of An Illusion • Race the Power of An Illusion companion website • The Trouble with Racial Reconciliation by Dr. Kenneth Young

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News and Social Media - with James and Mike

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Fri, 12 Jun 2020 01:57:00 +0000

We present continuations of conversations we had with James (ep. 7) and Mike (ep. 9). James discusses developing discernment as we interact with news. Mike talks with Justin and Stephen about the strengths and limitations of social media. Resources from this episode: • Episode 7: “Remembering, Heroes, and Race” Professors in Rooms Getting Coffee • Episode 9: “Power, Accountability, and Ethics” Professors in Rooms Getting Coffee • Episode 127: “Fake News” Christian Feminist Podcast

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Race and looking for Jesus - with Alicia

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Fri, 05 Jun 2020 04:51:00 +0000

As the nation mourns George Floyd, Alicia Thoj joins Justin and Stephen to talk about race from a Hmong perspective. They talk about the protests and riots in the Twin Cities, where Alicia lives, and what she is processing as she stands for Black Lives. Alicia shares about the process of rediscovering Jesus as a person of color, and she, Justin, and Stephen talk about ways they have seen Jesus in the last week. A musical composition by Marcus Dip Silas, entitled “A Dirge for the Gentle Giant” pays tribute to George Floyd.Resources from this episode: • Black Fear and Distrust in Hmong America • Jon Lundberg shares a perspective on Jesus in the passion narrative “A Dirge for the Gentle Giant” by Marcus Dip Silas is available for download here:

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Power, Accountability, and Ethics - with Mike

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Fri, 29 May 2020 04:48:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen talk successes, failed attempts, vehicles, and remembering both the good and the hard things from childhood and earlier in life. Mike Picconatto joins them to discuss the lockdown in Germany, issues of solidarity, liberty, and how Jesus challenges ideas of what we do for our own and others' concerns. Then Justin, Stephen, and Mike talk about Romans 13 and the relationship between Jesus followers and governments. This includes a conversation about the right and responsibility to hold governments accountable by serving as prophets and priests in the places God has put us. Justin describes the historical context of Romans 13 to help with the hermeneutical interpretation. Mike asks what it would look like to be a new kind of confessing church that confesses Christ above all others. Bonhoeffer comes up as a complex character. Justin and Stephen conclude with reflections on ethical reasoning. Resources from this episode: • Artfest.online • Stephen’s family’s LEGO video • Stephen’s book • Ethics and antibody tests in Germany • Problems with antibody tests • More info on antibody tests • Germany’s 1st quarter in recession • Jeff Sessions separation and Romans 13, and additional history • Postulating Solutions with Preachers Podcast: perkinsandwatts.com

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Humanity, Disability, and Hope - with Victoria

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Fri, 22 May 2020 04:42:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen talk with Dr. Victoria Reynolds Farmer about experiences of people with disabilities during COVID, including reasons for hope, frustration, and deep disappointment. They discuss the question of why society seems to be able to adapt now in ways that were resisted earlier, the experience of growing up Christian and disabled, and hopes for the church. Victoria shares about embodied faith and incarnational theology. They conclude with a discussion of Jean Vanier and abuse. Justin and Stephen also talk about the transition out of the semester and the pleasure of outrage. Resources from this episode: • A couple of pop-media articles on the Pleasures of Outrage and the Psychology of Outrage. • We also found this book about Christians and outrage. We haven’t read it but the idea sounded interesting. • Christian Feminist Podcast • Christian Humanist Radio Network • A brief profile on Imani Barbarin • #abledsareweird on Twitter • #notaboutuswithoutus on Twitter • Time article that includes Alice Wong • Inquiry Statement regarding Jean Vanier

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Remembering, Heroes, and Race- with James

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Fri, 15 May 2020 03:58:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen talk with history prof. James Willetts about how Americans remember racial history and the creation of hero narratives. They also discuss graduation, role changes, distress in the Psalms, and the complex reality of responding to racialized tragedy. Resources from this episode: • Atlanta Mayor calls Arbery’s killing a lynching • Lies My Teacher Told Me by James Loewen • Sundown Towns by James Loewen • America’s Original Sin by Jim Wallis • God’s Politics by Jim Wallis

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Special Episode- More Coffee with Karen

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Tue, 12 May 2020 03:54:00 +0000

In this follow-up to Episode 4, Dr. Karen Gustafson (Ph.D. in Psychology) shares more about the bio-psycho-spiritual-social approach as we consider mental health in the Coronavirus era.

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Coffee with Anthony

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Fri, 08 May 2020 03:46:00 +0000

Anthony D. Bobo, Jr., co-author of Commissioned to Love joins Justin and Stephen. They discuss church ministry and mission in each of the commission circles - from close to home to global. They also discuss the possibilities for the church to unite around Jesus in a time of division. Justin and Stephen also discuss the possibilities for trajectory setting decisions to be made in this time of intense upheaval.

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Coffee with Karen

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Thu, 30 Apr 2020 03:26:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen discuss their favorite coffee experience, a theology of sports, and navigating different social truth universes. Then they are joined by Dr. Karen Gustafson, who introduces a bio-psycho-social-spiritual approach to mental wellness and applies it to the current circumstance of the coronavirus situation.

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Coffee with McYoung

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Fri, 24 Apr 2020 03:21:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen discuss Justin's successful dissertation defense, political tension in COVID-19, the intersection of culture and place, and the future of higher education. Special guest McYoung Yang joins them to discuss an Asian American experience of COVID and to theologize together about the role of the church, covenant, and Christ-centered reconciliation.

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Coffee with Ken

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Wed, 15 Apr 2020 03:03:00 +0000

Justin and Stephen review highlights, lowlights, and insights from the week and discuss God's faithfulness and finding identity in Christ even in the midst of difficulty. Dr. Ken Castor joins to share about his daily Make a Difference social distancing devotional video based in his book and to talk about what it looks like to serve others while being sheltered at home.

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Professors, In Rooms, Getting Coffee (for the first time)

Justin Winzenburg and Stephen Jones — Thu, 09 Apr 2020 07:58:00 +0000

In this, the first episode of Professors, in Rooms, Getting Coffee, Jones and Winzenburg review highlights, lowlights, and insights from the week. Topics include coffee (of course!), a sun bubble, racial disparities in the coronavirus pandemic, and navigating daily life. They also discuss the meaning of church in an age of virtual services and talk about the changes made possible in society because of the pandemic.

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