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A podcast about friendship and human connection. Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and the conversations that shape our lives.


In a world that feels increasingly divided and lonely, hosts Fawn and Matt explore the art of friendship—how trust is built, how misunderstandings happen, and how meaningful conversation can heal relationships across generations, cultures, and communities.

Through honest dialogue, real-life stories, and thoughtful reflection, this podcast examines friendship not as something casual but as a vital force that transforms families, workplaces, and society itself.

If you’re searching for a podcast about friendship, connection, emotional intelligence, and what it truly means to understand one another, Our Friendly World invites you into conversations that matter.

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THIS PLATFORM IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT ONLY. WE ARE NOT EXPERTS.

A podcast about friendship and human connection. Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and the conversations that shape our lives.


In a world that feels increasingly divided and lonely, hosts Fawn and Matt explore the art of friendship—how trust is built, how misunderstandings happen, and how meaningful conversation can heal relationships across generations, cultures, and communities.

Through honest dialogue, real-life stories, and thoughtful reflection, this podcast examines friendship not as something casual but as a vital force that transforms families, workplaces, and society itself.

If you’re searching for a podcast about friendship, connection, emotional intelligence, and what it truly means to understand one another, Our Friendly World invites you into conversations that matter.

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DISCLAIMER: This Podcast and all related content [published or distributed by or on behalf of Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson or Ourfriendlyworld.com] is for informational purposes only and may include information that is general in nature and that is not specific to you. Any information or opinions expressed or contained herein are not intended to serve as or replace medical advice, nor to diagnose, prescribe or treat any disease, condition, illness or injury, and you should consult the health care professional of your choice regarding all matters concerning your health, including before beginning any exercise, weight loss, or health care program. If you have, or suspect you may have, a health-care emergency, please contact a qualified health care professional for treatment. Any information or opinions provided by guest experts or hosts featured within website or on Company’s Podcast are their own; not those of Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson or the Company. Accordingly, Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson and the Company cannot be responsible for any results or consequences or actions you may take based on such information or opinions.</itunes:subtitle>
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THIS PLATFORM IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT ONLY. WE ARE NOT EXPERTS.

A podcast about friendship and human connection. Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and the conversations that shape our lives.


In a world that feels increasingly divided and lonely, hosts Fawn and Matt explore the art of friendship—how trust is built, how misunderstandings happen, and how meaningful conversation can heal relationships across generations, cultures, and communities.

Through honest dialogue, real-life stories, and thoughtful reflection, this podcast examines friendship not as something casual but as a vital force that transforms families, workplaces, and society itself.

If you’re searching for a podcast about friendship, connection, emotional intelligence, and what it truly means to understand one another, Our Friendly World invites you into conversations that matter.

Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt  - the art of friendship, A podcast about friendship, human connection, meaningful conversation, and the power of human connection.  What it really takes to create meaningful relationships—in families, communities, in business, and the world.


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                    <![CDATA[Burnout, Friendship & the Stories Exhaustion Tells Us]]>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>What if exhaustion is changing the way you see the world?</p>
<p>In this deeply personal episode of Our Friendly World, Fawn and Matt explore how burnout, stress, sleep deprivation, emotional overload, illness, financial pressure, and caretaking can distort perception and make life feel darker than it truly is.</p>
<p>Through humor, vulnerability, friendship, and spiritual reflection, they discuss the connection between the physical body and the soul — and how fatigue can amplify fear, hopelessness, irritability, and disconnection.</p>
<p>Together, they unpack:</p>
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<p>Why exhaustion changes interpretation</p>
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<li>
<p>How stress impacts friendships and relationships</p>
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<li>
<p>The danger of making permanent conclusions during temporary emotional overwhelm</p>
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<p>Why grounding, rest, prayer, stillness, and stepping away from “echo chambers” matter</p>
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<p>The importance of emotional release, self-care, and slowing down</p>
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<p>How to recognize when tiredness — not truth — is shaping your thoughts</p>
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<p>This episode is a reminder that not every dark thought deserves a microphone, and that sometimes the most spiritual thing we can do is rest.</p>
<p>If you’ve been feeling emotionally overwhelmed, burned out, disconnected, anxious, reactive, or hopeless, this conversation may help you breathe again and remember that hope was there all along.</p>
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<p>mindfulness and rest</p>
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In this deeply personal episode of Our Friendly World, Fawn and Matt explore how burnout, stress, sleep deprivation, emotional overload, illness, financial pressure, and caretaking can distort perception and make life feel darker than it truly is.
Through humor, vulnerability, friendship, and spiritual reflection, they discuss the connection between the physical body and the soul — and how fatigue can amplify fear, hopelessness, irritability, and disconnection.
Together, they unpack:


Why exhaustion changes interpretation


How stress impacts friendships and relationships


The danger of making permanent conclusions during temporary emotional overwhelm


Why grounding, rest, prayer, stillness, and stepping away from “echo chambers” matter


The importance of emotional release, self-care, and slowing down


How to recognize when tiredness — not truth — is shaping your thoughts


This episode is a reminder that not every dark thought deserves a microphone, and that sometimes the most spiritual thing we can do is rest.
If you’ve been feeling emotionally overwhelmed, burned out, disconnected, anxious, reactive, or hopeless, this conversation may help you breathe again and remember that hope was there all along.


burnout recovery


emotional exhaustion


sleep deprivation and mental health


spiritual exhaustion


Chabad teachings


Jewish spirituality podcast


friendship podcast


emotional overwhelm


stress and perception


mental burnout


grounding techniques


emotional healing


self care and spirituality


how exhaustion affects relationships


nervous system overload


mindfulness and rest


spiritual wellness


burnout and friendship


emotional resilience


rest and mental clarity


#BurnoutRecovery#EmotionalHealing#MentalHealthAwareness#SpiritualGrowth#FriendshipPodcast#SelfCare#Mindfulness#Burnout#StressRelief#HealingJourney#Chabad#JewishWisdom#EmotionalWellness#PodcastLife#OurFriendlyWorld#AnxietyRelief#RestAndReset#Grounding#SpiritualHealing#AuthenticConversations
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                    <![CDATA[<p>What if exhaustion is changing the way you see the world?</p>
<p>In this deeply personal episode of Our Friendly World, Fawn and Matt explore how burnout, stress, sleep deprivation, emotional overload, illness, financial pressure, and caretaking can distort perception and make life feel darker than it truly is.</p>
<p>Through humor, vulnerability, friendship, and spiritual reflection, they discuss the connection between the physical body and the soul — and how fatigue can amplify fear, hopelessness, irritability, and disconnection.</p>
<p>Together, they unpack:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Why exhaustion changes interpretation</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How stress impacts friendships and relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The danger of making permanent conclusions during temporary emotional overwhelm</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why grounding, rest, prayer, stillness, and stepping away from “echo chambers” matter</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The importance of emotional release, self-care, and slowing down</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How to recognize when tiredness — not truth — is shaping your thoughts</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>This episode is a reminder that not every dark thought deserves a microphone, and that sometimes the most spiritual thing we can do is rest.</p>
<p>If you’ve been feeling emotionally overwhelmed, burned out, disconnected, anxious, reactive, or hopeless, this conversation may help you breathe again and remember that hope was there all along.</p>
<p></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>burnout recovery</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>emotional exhaustion</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>sleep deprivation and mental health</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>spiritual exhaustion</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Chabad teachings</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Jewish spirituality podcast</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>friendship podcast</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>emotional overwhelm</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>stress and perception</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>mental burnout</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>grounding techniques</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>emotional healing</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>self care and spirituality</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how exhaustion affects relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
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</li>
<li>
<p>mindfulness and rest</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>spiritual wellness</p>
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<li>
<p>burnout and friendship</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>emotional resilience</p>
</li>
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<p>rest and mental clarity</p>
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In this deeply personal episode of Our Friendly World, Fawn and Matt explore how burnout, stress, sleep deprivation, emotional overload, illness, financial pressure, and caretaking can distort perception and make life feel darker than it truly is.
Through humor, vulnerability, friendship, and spiritual reflection, they discuss the connection between the physical body and the soul — and how fatigue can amplify fear, hopelessness, irritability, and disconnection.
Together, they unpack:


Why exhaustion changes interpretation


How stress impacts friendships and relationships


The danger of making permanent conclusions during temporary emotional overwhelm


Why grounding, rest, prayer, stillness, and stepping away from “echo chambers” matter


The importance of emotional release, self-care, and slowing down


How to recognize when tiredness — not truth — is shaping your thoughts


This episode is a reminder that not every dark thought deserves a microphone, and that sometimes the most spiritual thing we can do is rest.
If you’ve been feeling emotionally overwhelmed, burned out, disconnected, anxious, reactive, or hopeless, this conversation may help you breathe again and remember that hope was there all along.


burnout recovery


emotional exhaustion


sleep deprivation and mental health


spiritual exhaustion


Chabad teachings


Jewish spirituality podcast


friendship podcast


emotional overwhelm


stress and perception


mental burnout


grounding techniques


emotional healing


self care and spirituality


how exhaustion affects relationships


nervous system overload


mindfulness and rest


spiritual wellness


burnout and friendship


emotional resilience


rest and mental clarity


#BurnoutRecovery#EmotionalHealing#MentalHealthAwareness#SpiritualGrowth#FriendshipPodcast#SelfCare#Mindfulness#Burnout#StressRelief#HealingJourney#Chabad#JewishWisdom#EmotionalWellness#PodcastLife#OurFriendlyWorld#AnxietyRelief#RestAndReset#Grounding#SpiritualHealing#AuthenticConversations
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                    <![CDATA[The people who challenge us (without tearing us down) might be the ones who love us the most.]]>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>“A True Friend Stretches You: Love, Truth, and the Courage to Grow” <br /><br />In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we explore a powerful question: <strong>If a friendship never stretches you, is it really love—or just comfort?</strong></p>
<p>From unexpected honesty to “loving rebuke,” we dive into what it means to have friends who challenge us while still preserving our dignity. Fawn shares a deeply personal story about getting fired—and the friend who didn’t comfort her, but instead reminded her who she truly is.</p>
<p>Together, we unpack:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>The difference between <strong>supportive vs. comfortable friendships</strong></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why real friends don’t let you stay small</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How to challenge someone <strong>without hurting them</strong></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The balance between truth, love, and emotional safety</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why some of the most unlikely people become our closest friends</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>We also explore the idea of <strong>“calling someone up, not calling them out”</strong>—and how honest, respectful confrontation can actually deepen connection.</p>
<p>This episode is for anyone navigating friendship, growth, and the courage it takes to be truly seen.</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>friendship growth, true friendship meaning, healthy relationships, honest communication, emotional intelligence, supportive friendships, personal growth relationships, setting boundaries in friendship, real vs fake friends, how to be a good friend, communication in relationships, friendship advice podcast, challenging conversations, loving honesty, relationship growth</p>
<p>#FriendshipGoals<br />#RealFriendship<br />#HealthyRelationships<br />#EmotionalIntelligence<br />#PersonalGrowth<br />#FriendshipAdvice<br />#AuthenticConnections<br />#GrowthMindset<br />#RelationshipWisdom<br />#SelfDevelopment<br />#TruthAndLove<br />#PodcastLife<br />#OurFriendlyWorld<br />#HumanConnection<br />#ConsciousLiving</p>
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                    <![CDATA[“A True Friend Stretches You: Love, Truth, and the Courage to Grow” In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, we explore a powerful question: If a friendship never stretches you, is it really love—or just comfort?
From unexpected honesty to “loving rebuke,” we dive into what it means to have friends who challenge us while still preserving our dignity. Fawn shares a deeply personal story about getting fired—and the friend who didn’t comfort her, but instead reminded her who she truly is.
Together, we unpack:


The difference between supportive vs. comfortable friendships


Why real friends don’t let you stay small


How to challenge someone without hurting them


The balance between truth, love, and emotional safety


Why some of the most unlikely people become our closest friends


We also explore the idea of “calling someone up, not calling them out”—and how honest, respectful confrontation can actually deepen connection.
This episode is for anyone navigating friendship, growth, and the courage it takes to be truly seen.

friendship growth, true friendship meaning, healthy relationships, honest communication, emotional intelligence, supportive friendships, personal growth relationships, setting boundaries in friendship, real vs fake friends, how to be a good friend, communication in relationships, friendship advice podcast, challenging conversations, loving honesty, relationship growth
#FriendshipGoals#RealFriendship#HealthyRelationships#EmotionalIntelligence#PersonalGrowth#FriendshipAdvice#AuthenticConnections#GrowthMindset#RelationshipWisdom#SelfDevelopment#TruthAndLove#PodcastLife#OurFriendlyWorld#HumanConnection#ConsciousLiving
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                    <![CDATA[<p>“A True Friend Stretches You: Love, Truth, and the Courage to Grow” <br /><br />In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we explore a powerful question: <strong>If a friendship never stretches you, is it really love—or just comfort?</strong></p>
<p>From unexpected honesty to “loving rebuke,” we dive into what it means to have friends who challenge us while still preserving our dignity. Fawn shares a deeply personal story about getting fired—and the friend who didn’t comfort her, but instead reminded her who she truly is.</p>
<p>Together, we unpack:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>The difference between <strong>supportive vs. comfortable friendships</strong></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why real friends don’t let you stay small</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How to challenge someone <strong>without hurting them</strong></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The balance between truth, love, and emotional safety</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why some of the most unlikely people become our closest friends</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>We also explore the idea of <strong>“calling someone up, not calling them out”</strong>—and how honest, respectful confrontation can actually deepen connection.</p>
<p>This episode is for anyone navigating friendship, growth, and the courage it takes to be truly seen.</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>friendship growth, true friendship meaning, healthy relationships, honest communication, emotional intelligence, supportive friendships, personal growth relationships, setting boundaries in friendship, real vs fake friends, how to be a good friend, communication in relationships, friendship advice podcast, challenging conversations, loving honesty, relationship growth</p>
<p>#FriendshipGoals<br />#RealFriendship<br />#HealthyRelationships<br />#EmotionalIntelligence<br />#PersonalGrowth<br />#FriendshipAdvice<br />#AuthenticConnections<br />#GrowthMindset<br />#RelationshipWisdom<br />#SelfDevelopment<br />#TruthAndLove<br />#PodcastLife<br />#OurFriendlyWorld<br />#HumanConnection<br />#ConsciousLiving</p>
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                    <![CDATA[“A True Friend Stretches You: Love, Truth, and the Courage to Grow” In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, we explore a powerful question: If a friendship never stretches you, is it really love—or just comfort?
From unexpected honesty to “loving rebuke,” we dive into what it means to have friends who challenge us while still preserving our dignity. Fawn shares a deeply personal story about getting fired—and the friend who didn’t comfort her, but instead reminded her who she truly is.
Together, we unpack:


The difference between supportive vs. comfortable friendships


Why real friends don’t let you stay small


How to challenge someone without hurting them


The balance between truth, love, and emotional safety


Why some of the most unlikely people become our closest friends


We also explore the idea of “calling someone up, not calling them out”—and how honest, respectful confrontation can actually deepen connection.
This episode is for anyone navigating friendship, growth, and the courage it takes to be truly seen.

friendship growth, true friendship meaning, healthy relationships, honest communication, emotional intelligence, supportive friendships, personal growth relationships, setting boundaries in friendship, real vs fake friends, how to be a good friend, communication in relationships, friendship advice podcast, challenging conversations, loving honesty, relationship growth
#FriendshipGoals#RealFriendship#HealthyRelationships#EmotionalIntelligence#PersonalGrowth#FriendshipAdvice#AuthenticConnections#GrowthMindset#RelationshipWisdom#SelfDevelopment#TruthAndLove#PodcastLife#OurFriendlyWorld#HumanConnection#ConsciousLiving
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:19:15</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <item>
                <title>
                    <![CDATA[How to Make Friends as an Adult: Why Friendship Takes Effort  - Feeling Disconnected? The Truth About Friendship No One Talks About]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2026 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>In a world where we’re more connected than ever… why do so many of us feel alone?</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World</em>, Fawn and Matt explore a powerful and unexpected idea:<br /><strong>friendship isn’t something you find—it’s something you build.</strong></p>
<p>Inspired by timeless wisdom, this conversation dives into what it really means to <em>“acquire a friend”</em>—and why waiting for connection might be the very thing keeping us disconnected.</p>
<p>Fawn shares a deeply honest reflection on her own experience of pulling back, feeling hurt, and realizing she had been waiting for friendship to come to her… instead of actively creating it.</p>
<p>Together, they unpack:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Why adult friendships can feel so hard</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The hidden stories we tell ourselves that keep us isolated</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How overthinking stops us from reaching out</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>And one simple step you can take today to start building real connection</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>If you’ve ever felt lonely, disconnected, or unsure how to reconnect with others—this episode is for you.</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>why friendships are hard</p>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>
<p>feeling lonely but connected</p>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>
<p>how to build meaningful relationships</p>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>
<p>making friends later in life</p>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>
<p>why friendships fade</p>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>
<p>building real connection</p>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>
<p>emotional loneliness</p>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>
<p>friendship advice</p>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>
<p>personal growth relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how to make friends as an adult</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>#MakeFriends #AdultFriendship #ConnectionMatters #MentalHealthAwareness #SelfReflection</p>]]>
                                    </description>
                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[In a world where we’re more connected than ever… why do so many of us feel alone?
In this episode of Our Friendly World, Fawn and Matt explore a powerful and unexpected idea:friendship isn’t something you find—it’s something you build.
Inspired by timeless wisdom, this conversation dives into what it really means to “acquire a friend”—and why waiting for connection might be the very thing keeping us disconnected.
Fawn shares a deeply honest reflection on her own experience of pulling back, feeling hurt, and realizing she had been waiting for friendship to come to her… instead of actively creating it.
Together, they unpack:


Why adult friendships can feel so hard


The hidden stories we tell ourselves that keep us isolated


How overthinking stops us from reaching out


And one simple step you can take today to start building real connection


If you’ve ever felt lonely, disconnected, or unsure how to reconnect with others—this episode is for you.



why friendships are hard




feeling lonely but connected




how to build meaningful relationships




making friends later in life




why friendships fade




building real connection




emotional loneliness




friendship advice




personal growth relationships


how to make friends as an adult


#MakeFriends #AdultFriendship #ConnectionMatters #MentalHealthAwareness #SelfReflection]]>
                </itunes:subtitle>
                                    <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[How to Make Friends as an Adult: Why Friendship Takes Effort  - Feeling Disconnected? The Truth About Friendship No One Talks About]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>In a world where we’re more connected than ever… why do so many of us feel alone?</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World</em>, Fawn and Matt explore a powerful and unexpected idea:<br /><strong>friendship isn’t something you find—it’s something you build.</strong></p>
<p>Inspired by timeless wisdom, this conversation dives into what it really means to <em>“acquire a friend”</em>—and why waiting for connection might be the very thing keeping us disconnected.</p>
<p>Fawn shares a deeply honest reflection on her own experience of pulling back, feeling hurt, and realizing she had been waiting for friendship to come to her… instead of actively creating it.</p>
<p>Together, they unpack:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Why adult friendships can feel so hard</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The hidden stories we tell ourselves that keep us isolated</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How overthinking stops us from reaching out</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>And one simple step you can take today to start building real connection</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>If you’ve ever felt lonely, disconnected, or unsure how to reconnect with others—this episode is for you.</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>why friendships are hard</p>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>
<p>feeling lonely but connected</p>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>
<p>how to build meaningful relationships</p>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>
<p>making friends later in life</p>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>
<p>why friendships fade</p>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>
<p>building real connection</p>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>
<p>emotional loneliness</p>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>
<p>friendship advice</p>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>
<p>personal growth relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how to make friends as an adult</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>#MakeFriends #AdultFriendship #ConnectionMatters #MentalHealthAwareness #SelfReflection</p>]]>
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                                <itunes:summary>
                    <![CDATA[In a world where we’re more connected than ever… why do so many of us feel alone?
In this episode of Our Friendly World, Fawn and Matt explore a powerful and unexpected idea:friendship isn’t something you find—it’s something you build.
Inspired by timeless wisdom, this conversation dives into what it really means to “acquire a friend”—and why waiting for connection might be the very thing keeping us disconnected.
Fawn shares a deeply honest reflection on her own experience of pulling back, feeling hurt, and realizing she had been waiting for friendship to come to her… instead of actively creating it.
Together, they unpack:


Why adult friendships can feel so hard


The hidden stories we tell ourselves that keep us isolated


How overthinking stops us from reaching out


And one simple step you can take today to start building real connection


If you’ve ever felt lonely, disconnected, or unsure how to reconnect with others—this episode is for you.



why friendships are hard




feeling lonely but connected




how to build meaningful relationships




making friends later in life




why friendships fade




building real connection




emotional loneliness




friendship advice




personal growth relationships


how to make friends as an adult


#MakeFriends #AdultFriendship #ConnectionMatters #MentalHealthAwareness #SelfReflection]]>
                </itunes:summary>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:19:20</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <item>
                <title>
                    <![CDATA[“Are We Living in Exile? Finding Connection in a Disconnected World”]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2026 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>Are we living in exile—and not in the way we usually think?</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World</em>, Fawn and Matt explore a deeper kind of exile: not distance from a place, but disconnection from each other. In a world filled with constant communication, why does real connection feel harder than ever?</p>
<p>Fawn reflects on decades of observing loneliness, long before social media, and questions whether modern life has quietly dismantled the “village” we were meant to live in. From fragmented families and financial pressures to the subtle ways independence has been glorified, the conversation asks: <em>Did we create this separation… or is there something bigger at play?</em></p>
<p>Together, they explore:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Whether today’s loneliness is a symptom of a deeper spiritual “exile”</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why relationships can feel more transactional and less rooted</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The tension between independence and true community</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Signs that, despite everything, something <em>better</em> may be emerging</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>And most importantly—Fawn shares a simple but powerful practice she’s been experimenting with this week:<br />a way to transform frustration into connection by recognizing the hidden value in others, even in the most difficult relationships.</p>
<p>Because maybe exile isn’t the end of the story…<br />Maybe it’s the space where real connection becomes a conscious choice.</p>
<p><strong>When someone frustrates you, ask:<br />“What is the value this person brings into my life, even if it’s small?”</strong></p>
<p>Not in a forced, toxic-positivity way—but as a way to <em>see what’s hidden.</em></p>
<p>Connection doesn’t always start with closeness.<br />Sometimes it starts with <strong>recognition.</strong></p>
<p><br />loneliness epidemic, modern isolation, emotional exile, friendship podcast, building community, family disconnection, authentic relationships, human connection, social isolation solutions, finding belonging, spiritual perspective on loneliness</p>
<p><br />#LonelinessEpidemic #HumanConnection #ModernIsolation #FriendshipMatters #EmotionalWellbeing #AuthenticLiving #CommunityBuilding #SpiritualGrowth #ConnectionOverIsolation #OurFriendlyWorld</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>]]>
                                    </description>
                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[Are we living in exile—and not in the way we usually think?
In this episode of Our Friendly World, Fawn and Matt explore a deeper kind of exile: not distance from a place, but disconnection from each other. In a world filled with constant communication, why does real connection feel harder than ever?
Fawn reflects on decades of observing loneliness, long before social media, and questions whether modern life has quietly dismantled the “village” we were meant to live in. From fragmented families and financial pressures to the subtle ways independence has been glorified, the conversation asks: Did we create this separation… or is there something bigger at play?
Together, they explore:


Whether today’s loneliness is a symptom of a deeper spiritual “exile”


Why relationships can feel more transactional and less rooted


The tension between independence and true community


Signs that, despite everything, something better may be emerging


And most importantly—Fawn shares a simple but powerful practice she’s been experimenting with this week:a way to transform frustration into connection by recognizing the hidden value in others, even in the most difficult relationships.
Because maybe exile isn’t the end of the story…Maybe it’s the space where real connection becomes a conscious choice.
When someone frustrates you, ask:“What is the value this person brings into my life, even if it’s small?”
Not in a forced, toxic-positivity way—but as a way to see what’s hidden.
Connection doesn’t always start with closeness.Sometimes it starts with recognition.
loneliness epidemic, modern isolation, emotional exile, friendship podcast, building community, family disconnection, authentic relationships, human connection, social isolation solutions, finding belonging, spiritual perspective on loneliness
#LonelinessEpidemic #HumanConnection #ModernIsolation #FriendshipMatters #EmotionalWellbeing #AuthenticLiving #CommunityBuilding #SpiritualGrowth #ConnectionOverIsolation #OurFriendlyWorld
]]>
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                                    <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[“Are We Living in Exile? Finding Connection in a Disconnected World”]]>
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                <content:encoded>
                    <![CDATA[<p>Are we living in exile—and not in the way we usually think?</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World</em>, Fawn and Matt explore a deeper kind of exile: not distance from a place, but disconnection from each other. In a world filled with constant communication, why does real connection feel harder than ever?</p>
<p>Fawn reflects on decades of observing loneliness, long before social media, and questions whether modern life has quietly dismantled the “village” we were meant to live in. From fragmented families and financial pressures to the subtle ways independence has been glorified, the conversation asks: <em>Did we create this separation… or is there something bigger at play?</em></p>
<p>Together, they explore:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Whether today’s loneliness is a symptom of a deeper spiritual “exile”</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why relationships can feel more transactional and less rooted</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The tension between independence and true community</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Signs that, despite everything, something <em>better</em> may be emerging</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>And most importantly—Fawn shares a simple but powerful practice she’s been experimenting with this week:<br />a way to transform frustration into connection by recognizing the hidden value in others, even in the most difficult relationships.</p>
<p>Because maybe exile isn’t the end of the story…<br />Maybe it’s the space where real connection becomes a conscious choice.</p>
<p><strong>When someone frustrates you, ask:<br />“What is the value this person brings into my life, even if it’s small?”</strong></p>
<p>Not in a forced, toxic-positivity way—but as a way to <em>see what’s hidden.</em></p>
<p>Connection doesn’t always start with closeness.<br />Sometimes it starts with <strong>recognition.</strong></p>
<p><br />loneliness epidemic, modern isolation, emotional exile, friendship podcast, building community, family disconnection, authentic relationships, human connection, social isolation solutions, finding belonging, spiritual perspective on loneliness</p>
<p><br />#LonelinessEpidemic #HumanConnection #ModernIsolation #FriendshipMatters #EmotionalWellbeing #AuthenticLiving #CommunityBuilding #SpiritualGrowth #ConnectionOverIsolation #OurFriendlyWorld</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                                <itunes:summary>
                    <![CDATA[Are we living in exile—and not in the way we usually think?
In this episode of Our Friendly World, Fawn and Matt explore a deeper kind of exile: not distance from a place, but disconnection from each other. In a world filled with constant communication, why does real connection feel harder than ever?
Fawn reflects on decades of observing loneliness, long before social media, and questions whether modern life has quietly dismantled the “village” we were meant to live in. From fragmented families and financial pressures to the subtle ways independence has been glorified, the conversation asks: Did we create this separation… or is there something bigger at play?
Together, they explore:


Whether today’s loneliness is a symptom of a deeper spiritual “exile”


Why relationships can feel more transactional and less rooted


The tension between independence and true community


Signs that, despite everything, something better may be emerging


And most importantly—Fawn shares a simple but powerful practice she’s been experimenting with this week:a way to transform frustration into connection by recognizing the hidden value in others, even in the most difficult relationships.
Because maybe exile isn’t the end of the story…Maybe it’s the space where real connection becomes a conscious choice.
When someone frustrates you, ask:“What is the value this person brings into my life, even if it’s small?”
Not in a forced, toxic-positivity way—but as a way to see what’s hidden.
Connection doesn’t always start with closeness.Sometimes it starts with recognition.
loneliness epidemic, modern isolation, emotional exile, friendship podcast, building community, family disconnection, authentic relationships, human connection, social isolation solutions, finding belonging, spiritual perspective on loneliness
#LonelinessEpidemic #HumanConnection #ModernIsolation #FriendshipMatters #EmotionalWellbeing #AuthenticLiving #CommunityBuilding #SpiritualGrowth #ConnectionOverIsolation #OurFriendlyWorld
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:23:32</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                <title>
                    <![CDATA[“Sweet but Fleeting: Understanding Cotton Candy Friendships”]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2026 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/sweet-but-fleeting-understanding-cotton-candy-friendships</link>
                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>Not all friendships are meant to grow deeper… some are just meant to be sweet.</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World</em>, Fawn and Matt explore the quiet disappointment of one-sided or surface-level connections—the kind that look meaningful from the outside but somehow leave you feeling unseen.</p>
<p>What starts with a simple story about a long-awaited “coding hat” turns into something much deeper:<br />Why do some friendships never quite connect?<br />Why does it hurt when someone doesn’t show up the way we hope?<br />And how do we honor a relationship without expecting it to be more than it is?</p>
<p>Together, they introduce the idea of a <strong>“cotton candy friendship”</strong>—a connection that’s light, occasional, and enjoyable… but ultimately lacking substance.</p>
<p>Instead of resentment or rejection, this conversation offers something more freeing:<br /> clarity<br /> acceptance<br /> and the permission to let relationships be exactly what they are</p>
<p>With a gentle nod to Marie Kondo’s philosophy, Fawn shares a powerful reframe:<br />Some friendships served their purpose. And that can be enough.</p>
<p>If you’ve ever felt let down, overlooked, or confused by a relationship that doesn’t quite “fit”… this episode will help you breathe easier—and let go with grace.<br /><br /></p>]]>
                                    </description>
                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[Not all friendships are meant to grow deeper… some are just meant to be sweet.
In this episode of Our Friendly World, Fawn and Matt explore the quiet disappointment of one-sided or surface-level connections—the kind that look meaningful from the outside but somehow leave you feeling unseen.
What starts with a simple story about a long-awaited “coding hat” turns into something much deeper:Why do some friendships never quite connect?Why does it hurt when someone doesn’t show up the way we hope?And how do we honor a relationship without expecting it to be more than it is?
Together, they introduce the idea of a “cotton candy friendship”—a connection that’s light, occasional, and enjoyable… but ultimately lacking substance.
Instead of resentment or rejection, this conversation offers something more freeing: clarity acceptance and the permission to let relationships be exactly what they are
With a gentle nod to Marie Kondo’s philosophy, Fawn shares a powerful reframe:Some friendships served their purpose. And that can be enough.
If you’ve ever felt let down, overlooked, or confused by a relationship that doesn’t quite “fit”… this episode will help you breathe easier—and let go with grace.]]>
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                                    <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[“Sweet but Fleeting: Understanding Cotton Candy Friendships”]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>Not all friendships are meant to grow deeper… some are just meant to be sweet.</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World</em>, Fawn and Matt explore the quiet disappointment of one-sided or surface-level connections—the kind that look meaningful from the outside but somehow leave you feeling unseen.</p>
<p>What starts with a simple story about a long-awaited “coding hat” turns into something much deeper:<br />Why do some friendships never quite connect?<br />Why does it hurt when someone doesn’t show up the way we hope?<br />And how do we honor a relationship without expecting it to be more than it is?</p>
<p>Together, they introduce the idea of a <strong>“cotton candy friendship”</strong>—a connection that’s light, occasional, and enjoyable… but ultimately lacking substance.</p>
<p>Instead of resentment or rejection, this conversation offers something more freeing:<br /> clarity<br /> acceptance<br /> and the permission to let relationships be exactly what they are</p>
<p>With a gentle nod to Marie Kondo’s philosophy, Fawn shares a powerful reframe:<br />Some friendships served their purpose. And that can be enough.</p>
<p>If you’ve ever felt let down, overlooked, or confused by a relationship that doesn’t quite “fit”… this episode will help you breathe easier—and let go with grace.<br /><br /></p>]]>
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                                <itunes:summary>
                    <![CDATA[Not all friendships are meant to grow deeper… some are just meant to be sweet.
In this episode of Our Friendly World, Fawn and Matt explore the quiet disappointment of one-sided or surface-level connections—the kind that look meaningful from the outside but somehow leave you feeling unseen.
What starts with a simple story about a long-awaited “coding hat” turns into something much deeper:Why do some friendships never quite connect?Why does it hurt when someone doesn’t show up the way we hope?And how do we honor a relationship without expecting it to be more than it is?
Together, they introduce the idea of a “cotton candy friendship”—a connection that’s light, occasional, and enjoyable… but ultimately lacking substance.
Instead of resentment or rejection, this conversation offers something more freeing: clarity acceptance and the permission to let relationships be exactly what they are
With a gentle nod to Marie Kondo’s philosophy, Fawn shares a powerful reframe:Some friendships served their purpose. And that can be enough.
If you’ve ever felt let down, overlooked, or confused by a relationship that doesn’t quite “fit”… this episode will help you breathe easier—and let go with grace.]]>
                </itunes:summary>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:15:14</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                <title>
                    <![CDATA[Where’s the Village? Why Friendship Isn’t Optional—It’s Everything]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2026 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                    https://permalink.castos.com/podcast/11391/episode/2414548</guid>
                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/wheres-the-village-why-friendship-isnt-optional-its-everything</link>
                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p><strong>Where’s the Village? Why Friendship Isn’t Optional—It’s Everything</strong></p>
<p>When life feels overwhelming… when everything starts breaking at once… when you feel like you have no one to call, what’s really missing?</p>
<p>Fawn and Matt explore the truth most people avoid:</p>
<p><strong>Friendship isn’t a luxury. It’s survival.</strong></p>
<p>Drawing from timeless wisdom, Fawn and Matt's conversation reframe connection, success, and belonging.</p>
<p>Fawn opens up about burnout, loneliness, and the pressure of holding everything together without a “village”—and why so many of us are quietly living this way.</p>
<p>Together, they unpack:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Why chasing the “right people” or “right opportunities” creates more separation</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How <strong>friendship is built through practice—not perfection</strong></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The hidden danger of assumptions, silent resentment, and emotional exhaustion</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why <strong>your words literally create the world you live in</strong></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How conflict can actually deepen connection when rooted in shared purpose</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>And the powerful shift from <em>seeking belonging</em> → to <strong>creating a world others want to be part of</strong></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>This episode is a reminder that:<br /><strong>You don’t find the village. You build it.</strong></p>
<p>And it might start… with you.</p>
<ol>
<li>
<p></p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>“Friendship is not a side topic. It’s the pathway to everything.”</p>
<ol start="2">
<li>
<p></p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>“When there’s no village… life becomes undoable.”</p>
<ol start="3">
<li>
<p></p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>“What if we’re not looking for the right person… but remembering we were never separate to begin with?”</p>
<ol start="4">
<li>
<p></p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>“Friendship isn’t built on chemistry. It’s built on practice.”</p>
<ol start="5">
<li>
<p></p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>“What destroys friendship? Assumptions… stories… and silent resentment.”</p>
<ol start="6">
<li>
<p></p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>“Every conversation is an act of creation.”</p>
<ol start="7">
<li>
<p></p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>“You are either building a world someone wants to live in… or one they want to escape.”</p>
<ol start="8">
<li>
<p></p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>“The goal of friendship is not agreement—it’s alignment in purpose.”</p>
<ol start="9">
<li>
<p></p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>“Stop trying to be in someone else’s world. Create a world they want to be in.”</p>
<ol start="10">
<li>
<p></p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>“You don’t find the village. You build it.”</p>
<p><b>Where is the village?</b></p>
<p><b>What happens when everything falls apart at once…<br />and you realize there’s no one to call?</b></p>
<p><b>This episode is raw. It’s honest. It’s real life.</b></p>
<p><b>We talk about burnout, loneliness, and the truth no one says out loud:</b></p>
<p><b>Friendship isn’t optional.<br />It’s everything.</b></p>
<p><b>What if we were never separate to begin with?<br />What if connection isn’t something you find—but something you practice?<br />What if YOU are the one who creates the village?</b></p>
<p><b>This one is for anyone who feels like they’re carrying too much alone.</b></p>
<p><b>Listen now<br />#Friendship #Loneliness #HumanConnection #BuildYourVillage #EmotionalWellness #PodcastLife #OurFriendlyWorld #ConnectionMatters #MentalHealthAwareness #Community</b></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>friendship and loneliness</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how to build community</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>feeling alone in life</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>importance of human connection</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>building meaningful relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>emotional burnout and support</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how to make friends as an adult</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>personal growth and relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>communication in relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>creating community</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>When there’s no village… life becomes undoable.</p>
<p>Friendship isn’t built on chemistry. It’s built on practice.</p>
<p>Stop tryin...</p>]]>
                                    </description>
                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[Where’s the Village? Why Friendship Isn’t Optional—It’s Everything
When life feels overwhelming… when everything starts breaking at once… when you feel like you have no one to call, what’s really missing?
Fawn and Matt explore the truth most people avoid:
Friendship isn’t a luxury. It’s survival.
Drawing from timeless wisdom, Fawn and Matt's conversation reframe connection, success, and belonging.
Fawn opens up about burnout, loneliness, and the pressure of holding everything together without a “village”—and why so many of us are quietly living this way.
Together, they unpack:


Why chasing the “right people” or “right opportunities” creates more separation


How friendship is built through practice—not perfection


The hidden danger of assumptions, silent resentment, and emotional exhaustion


Why your words literally create the world you live in


How conflict can actually deepen connection when rooted in shared purpose


And the powerful shift from seeking belonging → to creating a world others want to be part of


This episode is a reminder that:You don’t find the village. You build it.
And it might start… with you.





“Friendship is not a side topic. It’s the pathway to everything.”





“When there’s no village… life becomes undoable.”





“What if we’re not looking for the right person… but remembering we were never separate to begin with?”





“Friendship isn’t built on chemistry. It’s built on practice.”





“What destroys friendship? Assumptions… stories… and silent resentment.”





“Every conversation is an act of creation.”





“You are either building a world someone wants to live in… or one they want to escape.”





“The goal of friendship is not agreement—it’s alignment in purpose.”





“Stop trying to be in someone else’s world. Create a world they want to be in.”





“You don’t find the village. You build it.”
Where is the village?
What happens when everything falls apart at once…and you realize there’s no one to call?
This episode is raw. It’s honest. It’s real life.
We talk about burnout, loneliness, and the truth no one says out loud:
Friendship isn’t optional.It’s everything.
What if we were never separate to begin with?What if connection isn’t something you find—but something you practice?What if YOU are the one who creates the village?
This one is for anyone who feels like they’re carrying too much alone.
Listen now#Friendship #Loneliness #HumanConnection #BuildYourVillage #EmotionalWellness #PodcastLife #OurFriendlyWorld #ConnectionMatters #MentalHealthAwareness #Community


friendship and loneliness


how to build community


feeling alone in life


importance of human connection


building meaningful relationships


emotional burnout and support


how to make friends as an adult


personal growth and relationships


communication in relationships


creating community


When there’s no village… life becomes undoable.
Friendship isn’t built on chemistry. It’s built on practice.
Stop tryin...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><strong>Where’s the Village? Why Friendship Isn’t Optional—It’s Everything</strong></p>
<p>When life feels overwhelming… when everything starts breaking at once… when you feel like you have no one to call, what’s really missing?</p>
<p>Fawn and Matt explore the truth most people avoid:</p>
<p><strong>Friendship isn’t a luxury. It’s survival.</strong></p>
<p>Drawing from timeless wisdom, Fawn and Matt's conversation reframe connection, success, and belonging.</p>
<p>Fawn opens up about burnout, loneliness, and the pressure of holding everything together without a “village”—and why so many of us are quietly living this way.</p>
<p>Together, they unpack:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Why chasing the “right people” or “right opportunities” creates more separation</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How <strong>friendship is built through practice—not perfection</strong></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The hidden danger of assumptions, silent resentment, and emotional exhaustion</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why <strong>your words literally create the world you live in</strong></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How conflict can actually deepen connection when rooted in shared purpose</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>And the powerful shift from <em>seeking belonging</em> → to <strong>creating a world others want to be part of</strong></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>This episode is a reminder that:<br /><strong>You don’t find the village. You build it.</strong></p>
<p>And it might start… with you.</p>
<ol>
<li>
<p></p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>“Friendship is not a side topic. It’s the pathway to everything.”</p>
<ol start="2">
<li>
<p></p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>“When there’s no village… life becomes undoable.”</p>
<ol start="3">
<li>
<p></p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>“What if we’re not looking for the right person… but remembering we were never separate to begin with?”</p>
<ol start="4">
<li>
<p></p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>“Friendship isn’t built on chemistry. It’s built on practice.”</p>
<ol start="5">
<li>
<p></p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>“What destroys friendship? Assumptions… stories… and silent resentment.”</p>
<ol start="6">
<li>
<p></p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>“Every conversation is an act of creation.”</p>
<ol start="7">
<li>
<p></p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>“You are either building a world someone wants to live in… or one they want to escape.”</p>
<ol start="8">
<li>
<p></p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>“The goal of friendship is not agreement—it’s alignment in purpose.”</p>
<ol start="9">
<li>
<p></p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>“Stop trying to be in someone else’s world. Create a world they want to be in.”</p>
<ol start="10">
<li>
<p></p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>“You don’t find the village. You build it.”</p>
<p><b>Where is the village?</b></p>
<p><b>What happens when everything falls apart at once…<br />and you realize there’s no one to call?</b></p>
<p><b>This episode is raw. It’s honest. It’s real life.</b></p>
<p><b>We talk about burnout, loneliness, and the truth no one says out loud:</b></p>
<p><b>Friendship isn’t optional.<br />It’s everything.</b></p>
<p><b>What if we were never separate to begin with?<br />What if connection isn’t something you find—but something you practice?<br />What if YOU are the one who creates the village?</b></p>
<p><b>This one is for anyone who feels like they’re carrying too much alone.</b></p>
<p><b>Listen now<br />#Friendship #Loneliness #HumanConnection #BuildYourVillage #EmotionalWellness #PodcastLife #OurFriendlyWorld #ConnectionMatters #MentalHealthAwareness #Community</b></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>friendship and loneliness</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how to build community</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>feeling alone in life</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>importance of human connection</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>building meaningful relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>emotional burnout and support</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how to make friends as an adult</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>personal growth and relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>communication in relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>creating community</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>When there’s no village… life becomes undoable.</p>
<p>Friendship isn’t built on chemistry. It’s built on practice.</p>
<p>Stop trying to be in someone else’s world. Create a world they want to be in.</p>
<p>“May we have the courage to see each other clearly…<br />to choose connection over separation…<br />and to build the kind of world where no one has to do life alone.” <br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Where’s the Village? Why Friendship Isn’t Optional—It’s Everything
When life feels overwhelming… when everything starts breaking at once… when you feel like you have no one to call, what’s really missing?
Fawn and Matt explore the truth most people avoid:
Friendship isn’t a luxury. It’s survival.
Drawing from timeless wisdom, Fawn and Matt's conversation reframe connection, success, and belonging.
Fawn opens up about burnout, loneliness, and the pressure of holding everything together without a “village”—and why so many of us are quietly living this way.
Together, they unpack:


Why chasing the “right people” or “right opportunities” creates more separation


How friendship is built through practice—not perfection


The hidden danger of assumptions, silent resentment, and emotional exhaustion


Why your words literally create the world you live in


How conflict can actually deepen connection when rooted in shared purpose


And the powerful shift from seeking belonging → to creating a world others want to be part of


This episode is a reminder that:You don’t find the village. You build it.
And it might start… with you.





“Friendship is not a side topic. It’s the pathway to everything.”





“When there’s no village… life becomes undoable.”





“What if we’re not looking for the right person… but remembering we were never separate to begin with?”





“Friendship isn’t built on chemistry. It’s built on practice.”





“What destroys friendship? Assumptions… stories… and silent resentment.”





“Every conversation is an act of creation.”





“You are either building a world someone wants to live in… or one they want to escape.”





“The goal of friendship is not agreement—it’s alignment in purpose.”





“Stop trying to be in someone else’s world. Create a world they want to be in.”





“You don’t find the village. You build it.”
Where is the village?
What happens when everything falls apart at once…and you realize there’s no one to call?
This episode is raw. It’s honest. It’s real life.
We talk about burnout, loneliness, and the truth no one says out loud:
Friendship isn’t optional.It’s everything.
What if we were never separate to begin with?What if connection isn’t something you find—but something you practice?What if YOU are the one who creates the village?
This one is for anyone who feels like they’re carrying too much alone.
Listen now#Friendship #Loneliness #HumanConnection #BuildYourVillage #EmotionalWellness #PodcastLife #OurFriendlyWorld #ConnectionMatters #MentalHealthAwareness #Community


friendship and loneliness


how to build community


feeling alone in life


importance of human connection


building meaningful relationships


emotional burnout and support


how to make friends as an adult


personal growth and relationships


communication in relationships


creating community


When there’s no village… life becomes undoable.
Friendship isn’t built on chemistry. It’s built on practice.
Stop tryin...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Angels in Disguise: How Friendship Finds You in Unexpected Moments]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2026 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>Some nights feel heavier than others.</p>
<p>The kind of night where something happens and you don’t know who to call.<br />The kind where the world feels very quiet—and very far away.</p>
<p>This is one of those stories.</p>
<p>In this short, unfiltered episode, Fawn shares what it felt like to move through an unexpected emergency on almost no sleep, and the surprising truth that revealed itself in the middle of it all:</p>
<p>Even when it feels like no one is there, someone always is.</p>
<p>It may not always in the way you expect, or in the form you recognize.</p>
<p>But in small moments, through a stranger’s kindness, a simple reassurance, a few steady words, connection finds its way back to you.</p>
<p>This episode is a gentle reminder:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>that strength lives inside you</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>that help can appear in unexpected places</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>and that sometimes, friendship begins in a single moment of being seen</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>If you’ve been feeling alone lately…<br />stay for this one.</p>
<p>It’s only a few minutes.<br />But it might shift something in your heart.</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>Sometimes the “angels” in your life are only there for a moment.<br />To help. To guide. To say exactly what you need to hear.</p>
<p>And then they disappear.</p>
<p>But their message stays.</p>
<p>“Everything will be okay.”</p>
<p>This week’s episode is only 5 minutes long, but it might be the one someone needs most.</p>
<p>Listen now<br />And if this resonates, please share it with someone who might need to hear it too</p>
<p>#Friendship #YouAreNotAlone #KindnessMatters #HumanConnection #PodcastLife #EmotionalWellness #Compassion #HealingTogether #VoiceMatters #HeartCentered #SpreadKindness #PodcastCommunity</p>]]>
                                    </description>
                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[Some nights feel heavier than others.
The kind of night where something happens and you don’t know who to call.The kind where the world feels very quiet—and very far away.
This is one of those stories.
In this short, unfiltered episode, Fawn shares what it felt like to move through an unexpected emergency on almost no sleep, and the surprising truth that revealed itself in the middle of it all:
Even when it feels like no one is there, someone always is.
It may not always in the way you expect, or in the form you recognize.
But in small moments, through a stranger’s kindness, a simple reassurance, a few steady words, connection finds its way back to you.
This episode is a gentle reminder:


that strength lives inside you


that help can appear in unexpected places


and that sometimes, friendship begins in a single moment of being seen


If you’ve been feeling alone lately…stay for this one.
It’s only a few minutes.But it might shift something in your heart.

Sometimes the “angels” in your life are only there for a moment.To help. To guide. To say exactly what you need to hear.
And then they disappear.
But their message stays.
“Everything will be okay.”
This week’s episode is only 5 minutes long, but it might be the one someone needs most.
Listen nowAnd if this resonates, please share it with someone who might need to hear it too
#Friendship #YouAreNotAlone #KindnessMatters #HumanConnection #PodcastLife #EmotionalWellness #Compassion #HealingTogether #VoiceMatters #HeartCentered #SpreadKindness #PodcastCommunity]]>
                </itunes:subtitle>
                                    <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[Angels in Disguise: How Friendship Finds You in Unexpected Moments]]>
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                <content:encoded>
                    <![CDATA[<p>Some nights feel heavier than others.</p>
<p>The kind of night where something happens and you don’t know who to call.<br />The kind where the world feels very quiet—and very far away.</p>
<p>This is one of those stories.</p>
<p>In this short, unfiltered episode, Fawn shares what it felt like to move through an unexpected emergency on almost no sleep, and the surprising truth that revealed itself in the middle of it all:</p>
<p>Even when it feels like no one is there, someone always is.</p>
<p>It may not always in the way you expect, or in the form you recognize.</p>
<p>But in small moments, through a stranger’s kindness, a simple reassurance, a few steady words, connection finds its way back to you.</p>
<p>This episode is a gentle reminder:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>that strength lives inside you</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>that help can appear in unexpected places</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>and that sometimes, friendship begins in a single moment of being seen</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>If you’ve been feeling alone lately…<br />stay for this one.</p>
<p>It’s only a few minutes.<br />But it might shift something in your heart.</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>Sometimes the “angels” in your life are only there for a moment.<br />To help. To guide. To say exactly what you need to hear.</p>
<p>And then they disappear.</p>
<p>But their message stays.</p>
<p>“Everything will be okay.”</p>
<p>This week’s episode is only 5 minutes long, but it might be the one someone needs most.</p>
<p>Listen now<br />And if this resonates, please share it with someone who might need to hear it too</p>
<p>#Friendship #YouAreNotAlone #KindnessMatters #HumanConnection #PodcastLife #EmotionalWellness #Compassion #HealingTogether #VoiceMatters #HeartCentered #SpreadKindness #PodcastCommunity</p>]]>
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                                <itunes:summary>
                    <![CDATA[Some nights feel heavier than others.
The kind of night where something happens and you don’t know who to call.The kind where the world feels very quiet—and very far away.
This is one of those stories.
In this short, unfiltered episode, Fawn shares what it felt like to move through an unexpected emergency on almost no sleep, and the surprising truth that revealed itself in the middle of it all:
Even when it feels like no one is there, someone always is.
It may not always in the way you expect, or in the form you recognize.
But in small moments, through a stranger’s kindness, a simple reassurance, a few steady words, connection finds its way back to you.
This episode is a gentle reminder:


that strength lives inside you


that help can appear in unexpected places


and that sometimes, friendship begins in a single moment of being seen


If you’ve been feeling alone lately…stay for this one.
It’s only a few minutes.But it might shift something in your heart.

Sometimes the “angels” in your life are only there for a moment.To help. To guide. To say exactly what you need to hear.
And then they disappear.
But their message stays.
“Everything will be okay.”
This week’s episode is only 5 minutes long, but it might be the one someone needs most.
Listen nowAnd if this resonates, please share it with someone who might need to hear it too
#Friendship #YouAreNotAlone #KindnessMatters #HumanConnection #PodcastLife #EmotionalWellness #Compassion #HealingTogether #VoiceMatters #HeartCentered #SpreadKindness #PodcastCommunity]]>
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                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                <title>
                    <![CDATA[“Why Love Languages Don’t Work in Friendship (And What Actually Does)”]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2026 02:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we take an honest, unfiltered look at love languages—not as a solution, but as a starting point.</p>
<p>We explore why love languages can feel limiting or even frustrating, how the same gesture can feel meaningful to one person and overwhelming to another, the disconnect between intention and impact, and why friendships are far more nuanced than any “five-category” system</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>emotional needs in friendship, why friendships feel one-sided, how to communicate in friendships, modern friendship struggles, emotional intelligence in relationships</p>
<p><br />#FriendshipMatters #LoveLanguages #EmotionalConnection #AuthenticRelationships #Loneliness #RealTalk #SelfAwareness #PodcastLife #OurFriendlyWorld</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>]]>
                                    </description>
                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[In this episode, we take an honest, unfiltered look at love languages—not as a solution, but as a starting point.
We explore why love languages can feel limiting or even frustrating, how the same gesture can feel meaningful to one person and overwhelming to another, the disconnect between intention and impact, and why friendships are far more nuanced than any “five-category” system

emotional needs in friendship, why friendships feel one-sided, how to communicate in friendships, modern friendship struggles, emotional intelligence in relationships
#FriendshipMatters #LoveLanguages #EmotionalConnection #AuthenticRelationships #Loneliness #RealTalk #SelfAwareness #PodcastLife #OurFriendlyWorld
]]>
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                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[“Why Love Languages Don’t Work in Friendship (And What Actually Does)”]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we take an honest, unfiltered look at love languages—not as a solution, but as a starting point.</p>
<p>We explore why love languages can feel limiting or even frustrating, how the same gesture can feel meaningful to one person and overwhelming to another, the disconnect between intention and impact, and why friendships are far more nuanced than any “five-category” system</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>emotional needs in friendship, why friendships feel one-sided, how to communicate in friendships, modern friendship struggles, emotional intelligence in relationships</p>
<p><br />#FriendshipMatters #LoveLanguages #EmotionalConnection #AuthenticRelationships #Loneliness #RealTalk #SelfAwareness #PodcastLife #OurFriendlyWorld</p>
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                    <![CDATA[In this episode, we take an honest, unfiltered look at love languages—not as a solution, but as a starting point.
We explore why love languages can feel limiting or even frustrating, how the same gesture can feel meaningful to one person and overwhelming to another, the disconnect between intention and impact, and why friendships are far more nuanced than any “five-category” system

emotional needs in friendship, why friendships feel one-sided, how to communicate in friendships, modern friendship struggles, emotional intelligence in relationships
#FriendshipMatters #LoveLanguages #EmotionalConnection #AuthenticRelationships #Loneliness #RealTalk #SelfAwareness #PodcastLife #OurFriendlyWorld
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                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                <title>
                    <![CDATA[“How to Build a Village: A Step-by-Step Guide to Creating Real Community”]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2026 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>What if rebuilding community isn’t complicated…<br />what if it simply requires a few intentional steps?</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, Fawn and Matt offer a <strong>clear, step-by-step guide to rebuilding the village</strong> — the kind of real, human community many people feel has disappeared.</p>
<p>But the truth is: <strong>the village never left.</strong><br />It’s still here, waiting to be opened again.</p>
<p>Through thoughtful conversation and personal stories, Fawn and Matt walk listeners through <strong>practical steps anyone can take to begin building meaningful community</strong>, starting with something as simple as opening the door.</p>
<p>This episode explores how one person can begin creating a ripple of connection that grows into a thriving village.</p>
<p>In this step-by-step conversation, you’ll learn how to:</p>
<p>• <strong>Practice radical hospitality</strong> and make people feel welcome<br />• <strong>See the beauty and value in every person</strong>, strengthening human dignity<br />• <strong>Start small gatherings</strong> that celebrate everyday life<br />• <strong>Create regular rhythms of connection</strong> that people can rely on<br />• <strong>Use the shared table</strong> as a powerful center for community<br />• <strong>Build kindness and mutual care</strong> into everyday interactions<br />• <strong>Empower others to participate</strong>, transforming guests into builders</p>
<p>Fawn shares stories from her own life — from Sunday champagne gatherings where neighbors celebrated small wins, to the long journey of finding ways to bring people back to the table.</p>
<p>Together, Fawn and Matt also explore the <strong>five stages of growing a village</strong>, showing how communities naturally evolve from a single welcoming light to a shared culture of belonging.</p>
<p>This episode is both <strong>an invitation and a practical guide</strong> — a reminder that community does not require institutions, large events, or perfect conditions.</p>
<p>It begins with a simple decision:</p>
<p>Leave the light on.<br />Set the table.<br />Invite someone in.</p>
<p>The village is still here.</p>
<p>And this episode will show you <strong>how to start building it.</strong></p>
<p>Feeling disconnected from community?</p>
<p>In this episode, Fawn and Matt share a <strong>step-by-step guide to rebuilding the village</strong>, offering practical ways to create meaningful connection through hospitality, shared gatherings, kindness, and simple everyday rituals.</p>
<p>how to build community<br />step by step community building<br />how to create a village<br />how to build friendships<br />community building guide<br />overcoming loneliness<br />how to host gatherings<br />how to start a community group<br />hospitality and belonging<br />creating meaningful relationships<br />how to build connection<br />friendship and community podcast<br />shared meals and connection<br />building social circles</p>
<p>#BuildTheVillage<br />#HowToBuildCommunity<br />#OurFriendlyWorld<br />#ArtOfFriendship<br />#ConnectionMatters<br />#Hospitality<br />#EndLoneliness<br />#CommunityGuide<br />#GatherTogether<br />#Belonging<br />#FriendshipMatters<br />#KindnessCulture</p>
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                    <![CDATA[What if rebuilding community isn’t complicated…what if it simply requires a few intentional steps?
In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, Fawn and Matt offer a clear, step-by-step guide to rebuilding the village — the kind of real, human community many people feel has disappeared.
But the truth is: the village never left.It’s still here, waiting to be opened again.
Through thoughtful conversation and personal stories, Fawn and Matt walk listeners through practical steps anyone can take to begin building meaningful community, starting with something as simple as opening the door.
This episode explores how one person can begin creating a ripple of connection that grows into a thriving village.
In this step-by-step conversation, you’ll learn how to:
• Practice radical hospitality and make people feel welcome• See the beauty and value in every person, strengthening human dignity• Start small gatherings that celebrate everyday life• Create regular rhythms of connection that people can rely on• Use the shared table as a powerful center for community• Build kindness and mutual care into everyday interactions• Empower others to participate, transforming guests into builders
Fawn shares stories from her own life — from Sunday champagne gatherings where neighbors celebrated small wins, to the long journey of finding ways to bring people back to the table.
Together, Fawn and Matt also explore the five stages of growing a village, showing how communities naturally evolve from a single welcoming light to a shared culture of belonging.
This episode is both an invitation and a practical guide — a reminder that community does not require institutions, large events, or perfect conditions.
It begins with a simple decision:
Leave the light on.Set the table.Invite someone in.
The village is still here.
And this episode will show you how to start building it.
Feeling disconnected from community?
In this episode, Fawn and Matt share a step-by-step guide to rebuilding the village, offering practical ways to create meaningful connection through hospitality, shared gatherings, kindness, and simple everyday rituals.
how to build communitystep by step community buildinghow to create a villagehow to build friendshipscommunity building guideovercoming lonelinesshow to host gatheringshow to start a community grouphospitality and belongingcreating meaningful relationshipshow to build connectionfriendship and community podcastshared meals and connectionbuilding social circles
#BuildTheVillage#HowToBuildCommunity#OurFriendlyWorld#ArtOfFriendship#ConnectionMatters#Hospitality#EndLoneliness#CommunityGuide#GatherTogether#Belonging#FriendshipMatters#KindnessCulture
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                    <![CDATA[“How to Build a Village: A Step-by-Step Guide to Creating Real Community”]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>What if rebuilding community isn’t complicated…<br />what if it simply requires a few intentional steps?</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, Fawn and Matt offer a <strong>clear, step-by-step guide to rebuilding the village</strong> — the kind of real, human community many people feel has disappeared.</p>
<p>But the truth is: <strong>the village never left.</strong><br />It’s still here, waiting to be opened again.</p>
<p>Through thoughtful conversation and personal stories, Fawn and Matt walk listeners through <strong>practical steps anyone can take to begin building meaningful community</strong>, starting with something as simple as opening the door.</p>
<p>This episode explores how one person can begin creating a ripple of connection that grows into a thriving village.</p>
<p>In this step-by-step conversation, you’ll learn how to:</p>
<p>• <strong>Practice radical hospitality</strong> and make people feel welcome<br />• <strong>See the beauty and value in every person</strong>, strengthening human dignity<br />• <strong>Start small gatherings</strong> that celebrate everyday life<br />• <strong>Create regular rhythms of connection</strong> that people can rely on<br />• <strong>Use the shared table</strong> as a powerful center for community<br />• <strong>Build kindness and mutual care</strong> into everyday interactions<br />• <strong>Empower others to participate</strong>, transforming guests into builders</p>
<p>Fawn shares stories from her own life — from Sunday champagne gatherings where neighbors celebrated small wins, to the long journey of finding ways to bring people back to the table.</p>
<p>Together, Fawn and Matt also explore the <strong>five stages of growing a village</strong>, showing how communities naturally evolve from a single welcoming light to a shared culture of belonging.</p>
<p>This episode is both <strong>an invitation and a practical guide</strong> — a reminder that community does not require institutions, large events, or perfect conditions.</p>
<p>It begins with a simple decision:</p>
<p>Leave the light on.<br />Set the table.<br />Invite someone in.</p>
<p>The village is still here.</p>
<p>And this episode will show you <strong>how to start building it.</strong></p>
<p>Feeling disconnected from community?</p>
<p>In this episode, Fawn and Matt share a <strong>step-by-step guide to rebuilding the village</strong>, offering practical ways to create meaningful connection through hospitality, shared gatherings, kindness, and simple everyday rituals.</p>
<p>how to build community<br />step by step community building<br />how to create a village<br />how to build friendships<br />community building guide<br />overcoming loneliness<br />how to host gatherings<br />how to start a community group<br />hospitality and belonging<br />creating meaningful relationships<br />how to build connection<br />friendship and community podcast<br />shared meals and connection<br />building social circles</p>
<p>#BuildTheVillage<br />#HowToBuildCommunity<br />#OurFriendlyWorld<br />#ArtOfFriendship<br />#ConnectionMatters<br />#Hospitality<br />#EndLoneliness<br />#CommunityGuide<br />#GatherTogether<br />#Belonging<br />#FriendshipMatters<br />#KindnessCulture</p>
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                    <![CDATA[What if rebuilding community isn’t complicated…what if it simply requires a few intentional steps?
In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, Fawn and Matt offer a clear, step-by-step guide to rebuilding the village — the kind of real, human community many people feel has disappeared.
But the truth is: the village never left.It’s still here, waiting to be opened again.
Through thoughtful conversation and personal stories, Fawn and Matt walk listeners through practical steps anyone can take to begin building meaningful community, starting with something as simple as opening the door.
This episode explores how one person can begin creating a ripple of connection that grows into a thriving village.
In this step-by-step conversation, you’ll learn how to:
• Practice radical hospitality and make people feel welcome• See the beauty and value in every person, strengthening human dignity• Start small gatherings that celebrate everyday life• Create regular rhythms of connection that people can rely on• Use the shared table as a powerful center for community• Build kindness and mutual care into everyday interactions• Empower others to participate, transforming guests into builders
Fawn shares stories from her own life — from Sunday champagne gatherings where neighbors celebrated small wins, to the long journey of finding ways to bring people back to the table.
Together, Fawn and Matt also explore the five stages of growing a village, showing how communities naturally evolve from a single welcoming light to a shared culture of belonging.
This episode is both an invitation and a practical guide — a reminder that community does not require institutions, large events, or perfect conditions.
It begins with a simple decision:
Leave the light on.Set the table.Invite someone in.
The village is still here.
And this episode will show you how to start building it.
Feeling disconnected from community?
In this episode, Fawn and Matt share a step-by-step guide to rebuilding the village, offering practical ways to create meaningful connection through hospitality, shared gatherings, kindness, and simple everyday rituals.
how to build communitystep by step community buildinghow to create a villagehow to build friendshipscommunity building guideovercoming lonelinesshow to host gatheringshow to start a community grouphospitality and belongingcreating meaningful relationshipshow to build connectionfriendship and community podcastshared meals and connectionbuilding social circles
#BuildTheVillage#HowToBuildCommunity#OurFriendlyWorld#ArtOfFriendship#ConnectionMatters#Hospitality#EndLoneliness#CommunityGuide#GatherTogether#Belonging#FriendshipMatters#KindnessCulture
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:23:06</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                <title>
                    <![CDATA[Friction Maxing: Why Frustration Might Be Exactly What We Need]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2026 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>Frustration is something most of us try to avoid.</p>
<p>But what if frustration is actually one of the <strong>most important tools we have for growth, creativity, and meaningful relationships</strong>?</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World</em>, Fawn and Matt explore the surprising role frustration plays in shaping our resilience. In a world increasingly designed to remove obstacles—through technology, convenience, and even artificial intelligence—we may also be losing something essential: the ability to adapt, think deeply, and navigate life’s inevitable challenges.</p>
<p>From navigation apps that tell us exactly where to go, to AI tools that summarize our thoughts for us, modern life is becoming frictionless. But is that actually good for us?</p>
<p>Fawn shares a deeply personal story about returning to her photography career after years of trauma and isolation—and the moment she realized fear had quietly replaced the adventurous spirit that once took her across the world. What followed was a powerful lesson about facing frustration instead of avoiding it.</p>
<p>Together, Fawn and Matt discuss:</p>
<p>• Why frustration can be a form of <strong>resistance training for life</strong><br />• How convenience and AI may be weakening our ability to think and adapt<br />• The concept of <strong>“friction maxing”</strong>—intentionally embracing challenges<br />• Why relationships require emotional resilience<br />• How discomfort can lead us back to creativity, courage, and connection</p>
<p>Frustration isn’t the enemy.</p>
<p>It might just be the training ground that helps us become stronger, wiser, and more capable of navigating an uncertain world.</p>
<p>In this episode:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Why modern life is eliminating the frustrations that once built resilience</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How technology can sometimes weaken our ability to think and adapt</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Fawn’s story about rediscovering courage after trauma</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The difference between avoiding discomfort and growing through it</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why frustration is essential for strong friendships and relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The idea of <strong>“friction maxing”</strong> as a way to build strength in everyday life</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Key takeaway:</p>
<p>Frustration isn’t a failure.<br />It’s a signal that growth is happening.</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>frustration and growth<br />resilience mindset<br />building emotional resilience<br />personal growth podcast<br />technology and deep thinking<br />AI and human creativity<br />how to overcome fear<br />building stronger relationships<br />psychology of frustration<br />self development conversation<br />modern life and convenience<br />coping with uncertainty</p>
<p>#PersonalGrowth<br />#Resilience<br />#EmotionalStrength<br />#GrowthMindset<br />#HumanConnection<br />#LifeLessons<br />#SelfDevelopment<br />#FriendshipMatters<br />#PodcastLife<br />#OurFriendlyWorld</p>
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                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[Frustration is something most of us try to avoid.
But what if frustration is actually one of the most important tools we have for growth, creativity, and meaningful relationships?
In this episode of Our Friendly World, Fawn and Matt explore the surprising role frustration plays in shaping our resilience. In a world increasingly designed to remove obstacles—through technology, convenience, and even artificial intelligence—we may also be losing something essential: the ability to adapt, think deeply, and navigate life’s inevitable challenges.
From navigation apps that tell us exactly where to go, to AI tools that summarize our thoughts for us, modern life is becoming frictionless. But is that actually good for us?
Fawn shares a deeply personal story about returning to her photography career after years of trauma and isolation—and the moment she realized fear had quietly replaced the adventurous spirit that once took her across the world. What followed was a powerful lesson about facing frustration instead of avoiding it.
Together, Fawn and Matt discuss:
• Why frustration can be a form of resistance training for life• How convenience and AI may be weakening our ability to think and adapt• The concept of “friction maxing”—intentionally embracing challenges• Why relationships require emotional resilience• How discomfort can lead us back to creativity, courage, and connection
Frustration isn’t the enemy.
It might just be the training ground that helps us become stronger, wiser, and more capable of navigating an uncertain world.
In this episode:


Why modern life is eliminating the frustrations that once built resilience


How technology can sometimes weaken our ability to think and adapt


Fawn’s story about rediscovering courage after trauma


The difference between avoiding discomfort and growing through it


Why frustration is essential for strong friendships and relationships


The idea of “friction maxing” as a way to build strength in everyday life


Key takeaway:
Frustration isn’t a failure.It’s a signal that growth is happening.

frustration and growthresilience mindsetbuilding emotional resiliencepersonal growth podcasttechnology and deep thinkingAI and human creativityhow to overcome fearbuilding stronger relationshipspsychology of frustrationself development conversationmodern life and conveniencecoping with uncertainty
#PersonalGrowth#Resilience#EmotionalStrength#GrowthMindset#HumanConnection#LifeLessons#SelfDevelopment#FriendshipMatters#PodcastLife#OurFriendlyWorld
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                    <![CDATA[<p>Frustration is something most of us try to avoid.</p>
<p>But what if frustration is actually one of the <strong>most important tools we have for growth, creativity, and meaningful relationships</strong>?</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World</em>, Fawn and Matt explore the surprising role frustration plays in shaping our resilience. In a world increasingly designed to remove obstacles—through technology, convenience, and even artificial intelligence—we may also be losing something essential: the ability to adapt, think deeply, and navigate life’s inevitable challenges.</p>
<p>From navigation apps that tell us exactly where to go, to AI tools that summarize our thoughts for us, modern life is becoming frictionless. But is that actually good for us?</p>
<p>Fawn shares a deeply personal story about returning to her photography career after years of trauma and isolation—and the moment she realized fear had quietly replaced the adventurous spirit that once took her across the world. What followed was a powerful lesson about facing frustration instead of avoiding it.</p>
<p>Together, Fawn and Matt discuss:</p>
<p>• Why frustration can be a form of <strong>resistance training for life</strong><br />• How convenience and AI may be weakening our ability to think and adapt<br />• The concept of <strong>“friction maxing”</strong>—intentionally embracing challenges<br />• Why relationships require emotional resilience<br />• How discomfort can lead us back to creativity, courage, and connection</p>
<p>Frustration isn’t the enemy.</p>
<p>It might just be the training ground that helps us become stronger, wiser, and more capable of navigating an uncertain world.</p>
<p>In this episode:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Why modern life is eliminating the frustrations that once built resilience</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How technology can sometimes weaken our ability to think and adapt</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Fawn’s story about rediscovering courage after trauma</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The difference between avoiding discomfort and growing through it</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why frustration is essential for strong friendships and relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The idea of <strong>“friction maxing”</strong> as a way to build strength in everyday life</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Key takeaway:</p>
<p>Frustration isn’t a failure.<br />It’s a signal that growth is happening.</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>frustration and growth<br />resilience mindset<br />building emotional resilience<br />personal growth podcast<br />technology and deep thinking<br />AI and human creativity<br />how to overcome fear<br />building stronger relationships<br />psychology of frustration<br />self development conversation<br />modern life and convenience<br />coping with uncertainty</p>
<p>#PersonalGrowth<br />#Resilience<br />#EmotionalStrength<br />#GrowthMindset<br />#HumanConnection<br />#LifeLessons<br />#SelfDevelopment<br />#FriendshipMatters<br />#PodcastLife<br />#OurFriendlyWorld</p>
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                    <![CDATA[Frustration is something most of us try to avoid.
But what if frustration is actually one of the most important tools we have for growth, creativity, and meaningful relationships?
In this episode of Our Friendly World, Fawn and Matt explore the surprising role frustration plays in shaping our resilience. In a world increasingly designed to remove obstacles—through technology, convenience, and even artificial intelligence—we may also be losing something essential: the ability to adapt, think deeply, and navigate life’s inevitable challenges.
From navigation apps that tell us exactly where to go, to AI tools that summarize our thoughts for us, modern life is becoming frictionless. But is that actually good for us?
Fawn shares a deeply personal story about returning to her photography career after years of trauma and isolation—and the moment she realized fear had quietly replaced the adventurous spirit that once took her across the world. What followed was a powerful lesson about facing frustration instead of avoiding it.
Together, Fawn and Matt discuss:
• Why frustration can be a form of resistance training for life• How convenience and AI may be weakening our ability to think and adapt• The concept of “friction maxing”—intentionally embracing challenges• Why relationships require emotional resilience• How discomfort can lead us back to creativity, courage, and connection
Frustration isn’t the enemy.
It might just be the training ground that helps us become stronger, wiser, and more capable of navigating an uncertain world.
In this episode:


Why modern life is eliminating the frustrations that once built resilience


How technology can sometimes weaken our ability to think and adapt


Fawn’s story about rediscovering courage after trauma


The difference between avoiding discomfort and growing through it


Why frustration is essential for strong friendships and relationships


The idea of “friction maxing” as a way to build strength in everyday life


Key takeaway:
Frustration isn’t a failure.It’s a signal that growth is happening.

frustration and growthresilience mindsetbuilding emotional resiliencepersonal growth podcasttechnology and deep thinkingAI and human creativityhow to overcome fearbuilding stronger relationshipspsychology of frustrationself development conversationmodern life and conveniencecoping with uncertainty
#PersonalGrowth#Resilience#EmotionalStrength#GrowthMindset#HumanConnection#LifeLessons#SelfDevelopment#FriendshipMatters#PodcastLife#OurFriendlyWorld
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                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                <title>
                    <![CDATA[The Three Levels of Friendship in an AI World - Are We Replacing Friends with Algorithms?]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2026 06:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
                <guid isPermaLink="true">
                    https://permalink.castos.com/podcast/11391/episode/2380307</guid>
                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/the-three-levels-of-friendship-in-an-ai-world-are-we-replacing-friends-with-algorithms</link>
                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this honest and reflective episode of <em>Our Friendly World</em>, Fawn and Matt explore the deeper layers of friendship through the lens of the three classic friendship types described in Aristotle’s <em>Nicomachean Ethics</em>: friendships of pleasure, utility, and virtue.</p>
<p>They unpack a powerful realization—how easy it is to slip into “What do I get?” relationships—and how modern technology, algorithms, and even AI can quietly reinforce that mindset.</p>
<p>Fawn shares her current season of emotional retreat and healing after relational disappointment, while Matt reflects on rediscovering everyday community. Together, they explore:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Why authentic friendships sometimes require stepping back</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How AI and search culture (hello, Google) are changing how we lean on people</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The emotional difference between synthetic connection and organic human presence</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why storytelling and shared experiences feel different today</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How patience and emotional risk are essential for real friendship</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Along the way, they discuss nostalgia, vulnerability, and even a high-school moment involving Iron Maiden that reveals how deeply we all want to be seen and understood.</p>
<p>This episode is both a gentle warning and a hopeful reminder: real friendship still lives where presence, patience, and sincerity meet.</p>
<h2>Key Themes</h2>
<ul>
<li>
<p>The three types of friendship (pleasure, utility, virtue)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Emotional seasons in relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>AI vs. authentic connection</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Social fatigue and healing after relational hurt</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Storytelling and shared experience in modern culture</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Patience and vulnerability in friendship</p>
</li>
</ul>
<h2></h2>
<ul>
<li>
<p>deep friendship podcast</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>types of friendship Aristotle</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>authentic relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>friendship in the age of AI</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>emotional boundaries friendships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>friendship burnout</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>real vs artificial connection</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>modern loneliness discussion</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>relationship psychology podcast</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>human connection podcast</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>#FriendshipPodcast<br />#AuthenticConnection<br />#ModernFriendship<br />#HumanConnection<br />#EmotionalWellness<br />#AIandSociety<br />#RelationshipGrowth<br />#FriendshipMatters<br />#PodcastLife<br />#OurFriendlyWorld</p>
<p>Are we slowly replacing friendships with algorithms?</p>
<p>This week we explore the three types of friendship, emotional seasons of connection, and why real human relationships still require vulnerability, patience, and risk.</p>
<p>Sometimes stepping back is part of finding deeper friendship.</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this honest and reflective episode of Our Friendly World, Fawn and Matt explore the deeper layers of friendship through the lens of the three classic friendship types described in Aristotle’s Nicomachean Ethics: friendships of pleasure, utility, and virtue.
They unpack a powerful realization—how easy it is to slip into “What do I get?” relationships—and how modern technology, algorithms, and even AI can quietly reinforce that mindset.
Fawn shares her current season of emotional retreat and healing after relational disappointment, while Matt reflects on rediscovering everyday community. Together, they explore:


Why authentic friendships sometimes require stepping back


How AI and search culture (hello, Google) are changing how we lean on people


The emotional difference between synthetic connection and organic human presence


Why storytelling and shared experiences feel different today


How patience and emotional risk are essential for real friendship


Along the way, they discuss nostalgia, vulnerability, and even a high-school moment involving Iron Maiden that reveals how deeply we all want to be seen and understood.
This episode is both a gentle warning and a hopeful reminder: real friendship still lives where presence, patience, and sincerity meet.
Key Themes


The three types of friendship (pleasure, utility, virtue)


Emotional seasons in relationships


AI vs. authentic connection


Social fatigue and healing after relational hurt


Storytelling and shared experience in modern culture


Patience and vulnerability in friendship





deep friendship podcast


types of friendship Aristotle


authentic relationships


friendship in the age of AI


emotional boundaries friendships


friendship burnout


real vs artificial connection


modern loneliness discussion


relationship psychology podcast


human connection podcast


#FriendshipPodcast#AuthenticConnection#ModernFriendship#HumanConnection#EmotionalWellness#AIandSociety#RelationshipGrowth#FriendshipMatters#PodcastLife#OurFriendlyWorld
Are we slowly replacing friendships with algorithms?
This week we explore the three types of friendship, emotional seasons of connection, and why real human relationships still require vulnerability, patience, and risk.
Sometimes stepping back is part of finding deeper friendship.]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>In this honest and reflective episode of <em>Our Friendly World</em>, Fawn and Matt explore the deeper layers of friendship through the lens of the three classic friendship types described in Aristotle’s <em>Nicomachean Ethics</em>: friendships of pleasure, utility, and virtue.</p>
<p>They unpack a powerful realization—how easy it is to slip into “What do I get?” relationships—and how modern technology, algorithms, and even AI can quietly reinforce that mindset.</p>
<p>Fawn shares her current season of emotional retreat and healing after relational disappointment, while Matt reflects on rediscovering everyday community. Together, they explore:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Why authentic friendships sometimes require stepping back</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How AI and search culture (hello, Google) are changing how we lean on people</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The emotional difference between synthetic connection and organic human presence</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why storytelling and shared experiences feel different today</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How patience and emotional risk are essential for real friendship</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Along the way, they discuss nostalgia, vulnerability, and even a high-school moment involving Iron Maiden that reveals how deeply we all want to be seen and understood.</p>
<p>This episode is both a gentle warning and a hopeful reminder: real friendship still lives where presence, patience, and sincerity meet.</p>
<h2>Key Themes</h2>
<ul>
<li>
<p>The three types of friendship (pleasure, utility, virtue)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Emotional seasons in relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>AI vs. authentic connection</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Social fatigue and healing after relational hurt</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Storytelling and shared experience in modern culture</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Patience and vulnerability in friendship</p>
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</ul>
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<li>
<p>deep friendship podcast</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>types of friendship Aristotle</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>authentic relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>friendship in the age of AI</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>emotional boundaries friendships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>friendship burnout</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>real vs artificial connection</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>modern loneliness discussion</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>relationship psychology podcast</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>human connection podcast</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>#FriendshipPodcast<br />#AuthenticConnection<br />#ModernFriendship<br />#HumanConnection<br />#EmotionalWellness<br />#AIandSociety<br />#RelationshipGrowth<br />#FriendshipMatters<br />#PodcastLife<br />#OurFriendlyWorld</p>
<p>Are we slowly replacing friendships with algorithms?</p>
<p>This week we explore the three types of friendship, emotional seasons of connection, and why real human relationships still require vulnerability, patience, and risk.</p>
<p>Sometimes stepping back is part of finding deeper friendship.</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this honest and reflective episode of Our Friendly World, Fawn and Matt explore the deeper layers of friendship through the lens of the three classic friendship types described in Aristotle’s Nicomachean Ethics: friendships of pleasure, utility, and virtue.
They unpack a powerful realization—how easy it is to slip into “What do I get?” relationships—and how modern technology, algorithms, and even AI can quietly reinforce that mindset.
Fawn shares her current season of emotional retreat and healing after relational disappointment, while Matt reflects on rediscovering everyday community. Together, they explore:


Why authentic friendships sometimes require stepping back


How AI and search culture (hello, Google) are changing how we lean on people


The emotional difference between synthetic connection and organic human presence


Why storytelling and shared experiences feel different today


How patience and emotional risk are essential for real friendship


Along the way, they discuss nostalgia, vulnerability, and even a high-school moment involving Iron Maiden that reveals how deeply we all want to be seen and understood.
This episode is both a gentle warning and a hopeful reminder: real friendship still lives where presence, patience, and sincerity meet.
Key Themes


The three types of friendship (pleasure, utility, virtue)


Emotional seasons in relationships


AI vs. authentic connection


Social fatigue and healing after relational hurt


Storytelling and shared experience in modern culture


Patience and vulnerability in friendship





deep friendship podcast


types of friendship Aristotle


authentic relationships


friendship in the age of AI


emotional boundaries friendships


friendship burnout


real vs artificial connection


modern loneliness discussion


relationship psychology podcast


human connection podcast


#FriendshipPodcast#AuthenticConnection#ModernFriendship#HumanConnection#EmotionalWellness#AIandSociety#RelationshipGrowth#FriendshipMatters#PodcastLife#OurFriendlyWorld
Are we slowly replacing friendships with algorithms?
This week we explore the three types of friendship, emotional seasons of connection, and why real human relationships still require vulnerability, patience, and risk.
Sometimes stepping back is part of finding deeper friendship.]]>
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                    <![CDATA[AI vs Human Connection: Why Real Friendship Is Making a Comeback]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2026 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><strong>AI vs Human Connection: Why Real Friendship Is Making a Comeback</strong></p>
<p><strong>The Loneliness Wake-Up Call: Are We Relearning How to Connect?</strong></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>Are apps bringing us closer together—or revealing how disconnected we've become?</p>
<p>In this episode, Fawn and Matt explore a new trend sparked by a viral app created by Gen Z developers in China that asks a startling question. What begins as a conversation about technology quickly becomes a deeper reflection on modern loneliness, emotional safety, and the human need for authentic connection.</p>
<p>From handwritten letters making a comeback to the emotional power of true friendship, this conversation explores how AI and digital tools may actually be pushing us back toward something timeless: real relationships.</p>
<p>Fawn shares a personal story about reaching out during a stressful moment—and the profound impact of being supported by friends in real time. Together, they discuss why vulnerability, community, and intentional connection may be the most important skills of the future.</p>
<p>If you’ve ever wondered:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Why making friends feels harder today</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How technology is reshaping relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Whether AI can replace emotional connection</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How to build meaningful friendships in a digital world</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>This episode is for you.</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>friendship in the digital age</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>loneliness epidemic</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>AI and relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how to make friends as an adult</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>authentic connection</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>emotional support friendships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>social isolation solutions</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Gen Z friendship trends</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>human connection vs technology</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>building community in modern life</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>Are we losing connection—or rediscovering it?</p>
<p>After hearing about a new app designed to alert someone if you haven’t checked in, Fawn and Matt dive into the deeper meaning behind modern loneliness and our growing desire for real friendship.</p>
<p>From handwritten letters to emotional support networks, they explore why technology may actually be guiding us back toward authentic human relationships.</p>
<p>This episode includes:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>The emotional reality behind the loneliness epidemic</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why AI cannot replace real friendship</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How vulnerability strengthens connection</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>A powerful real-life story about friendship support</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Something surprising is happening.</p>
<p>The more technology grows, the more people are craving real friendship.</p>
<p>In this episode, we explore:<br />• The loneliness wake-up call<br />• Why handwritten letters are coming back<br />• A powerful story about real emotional support</p>
<p>Because no algorithm can replace genuine connection.</p>
<p>#Friendship #HumanConnection #AIandSociety #LonelinessEpidemic #EmotionalWellbeing</p>
<p>“There are things a machine can simulate—but love, presence, and real friendship aren’t one of them.”</p>
<p align="left"><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[AI vs Human Connection: Why Real Friendship Is Making a Comeback
The Loneliness Wake-Up Call: Are We Relearning How to Connect?

Are apps bringing us closer together—or revealing how disconnected we've become?
In this episode, Fawn and Matt explore a new trend sparked by a viral app created by Gen Z developers in China that asks a startling question. What begins as a conversation about technology quickly becomes a deeper reflection on modern loneliness, emotional safety, and the human need for authentic connection.
From handwritten letters making a comeback to the emotional power of true friendship, this conversation explores how AI and digital tools may actually be pushing us back toward something timeless: real relationships.
Fawn shares a personal story about reaching out during a stressful moment—and the profound impact of being supported by friends in real time. Together, they discuss why vulnerability, community, and intentional connection may be the most important skills of the future.
If you’ve ever wondered:


Why making friends feels harder today


How technology is reshaping relationships


Whether AI can replace emotional connection


How to build meaningful friendships in a digital world


This episode is for you.



friendship in the digital age


loneliness epidemic


AI and relationships


how to make friends as an adult


authentic connection


emotional support friendships


social isolation solutions


Gen Z friendship trends


human connection vs technology


building community in modern life



Are we losing connection—or rediscovering it?
After hearing about a new app designed to alert someone if you haven’t checked in, Fawn and Matt dive into the deeper meaning behind modern loneliness and our growing desire for real friendship.
From handwritten letters to emotional support networks, they explore why technology may actually be guiding us back toward authentic human relationships.
This episode includes:


The emotional reality behind the loneliness epidemic


Why AI cannot replace real friendship


How vulnerability strengthens connection


A powerful real-life story about friendship support


Something surprising is happening.
The more technology grows, the more people are craving real friendship.
In this episode, we explore:• The loneliness wake-up call• Why handwritten letters are coming back• A powerful story about real emotional support
Because no algorithm can replace genuine connection.
#Friendship #HumanConnection #AIandSociety #LonelinessEpidemic #EmotionalWellbeing
“There are things a machine can simulate—but love, presence, and real friendship aren’t one of them.”
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                    <![CDATA[<p><strong>AI vs Human Connection: Why Real Friendship Is Making a Comeback</strong></p>
<p><strong>The Loneliness Wake-Up Call: Are We Relearning How to Connect?</strong></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>Are apps bringing us closer together—or revealing how disconnected we've become?</p>
<p>In this episode, Fawn and Matt explore a new trend sparked by a viral app created by Gen Z developers in China that asks a startling question. What begins as a conversation about technology quickly becomes a deeper reflection on modern loneliness, emotional safety, and the human need for authentic connection.</p>
<p>From handwritten letters making a comeback to the emotional power of true friendship, this conversation explores how AI and digital tools may actually be pushing us back toward something timeless: real relationships.</p>
<p>Fawn shares a personal story about reaching out during a stressful moment—and the profound impact of being supported by friends in real time. Together, they discuss why vulnerability, community, and intentional connection may be the most important skills of the future.</p>
<p>If you’ve ever wondered:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Why making friends feels harder today</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How technology is reshaping relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Whether AI can replace emotional connection</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How to build meaningful friendships in a digital world</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>This episode is for you.</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>friendship in the digital age</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>loneliness epidemic</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>AI and relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how to make friends as an adult</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>authentic connection</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>emotional support friendships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>social isolation solutions</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Gen Z friendship trends</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>human connection vs technology</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>building community in modern life</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>Are we losing connection—or rediscovering it?</p>
<p>After hearing about a new app designed to alert someone if you haven’t checked in, Fawn and Matt dive into the deeper meaning behind modern loneliness and our growing desire for real friendship.</p>
<p>From handwritten letters to emotional support networks, they explore why technology may actually be guiding us back toward authentic human relationships.</p>
<p>This episode includes:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>The emotional reality behind the loneliness epidemic</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why AI cannot replace real friendship</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How vulnerability strengthens connection</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>A powerful real-life story about friendship support</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Something surprising is happening.</p>
<p>The more technology grows, the more people are craving real friendship.</p>
<p>In this episode, we explore:<br />• The loneliness wake-up call<br />• Why handwritten letters are coming back<br />• A powerful story about real emotional support</p>
<p>Because no algorithm can replace genuine connection.</p>
<p>#Friendship #HumanConnection #AIandSociety #LonelinessEpidemic #EmotionalWellbeing</p>
<p>“There are things a machine can simulate—but love, presence, and real friendship aren’t one of them.”</p>
<p align="left"><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[AI vs Human Connection: Why Real Friendship Is Making a Comeback
The Loneliness Wake-Up Call: Are We Relearning How to Connect?

Are apps bringing us closer together—or revealing how disconnected we've become?
In this episode, Fawn and Matt explore a new trend sparked by a viral app created by Gen Z developers in China that asks a startling question. What begins as a conversation about technology quickly becomes a deeper reflection on modern loneliness, emotional safety, and the human need for authentic connection.
From handwritten letters making a comeback to the emotional power of true friendship, this conversation explores how AI and digital tools may actually be pushing us back toward something timeless: real relationships.
Fawn shares a personal story about reaching out during a stressful moment—and the profound impact of being supported by friends in real time. Together, they discuss why vulnerability, community, and intentional connection may be the most important skills of the future.
If you’ve ever wondered:


Why making friends feels harder today


How technology is reshaping relationships


Whether AI can replace emotional connection


How to build meaningful friendships in a digital world


This episode is for you.



friendship in the digital age


loneliness epidemic


AI and relationships


how to make friends as an adult


authentic connection


emotional support friendships


social isolation solutions


Gen Z friendship trends


human connection vs technology


building community in modern life



Are we losing connection—or rediscovering it?
After hearing about a new app designed to alert someone if you haven’t checked in, Fawn and Matt dive into the deeper meaning behind modern loneliness and our growing desire for real friendship.
From handwritten letters to emotional support networks, they explore why technology may actually be guiding us back toward authentic human relationships.
This episode includes:


The emotional reality behind the loneliness epidemic


Why AI cannot replace real friendship


How vulnerability strengthens connection


A powerful real-life story about friendship support


Something surprising is happening.
The more technology grows, the more people are craving real friendship.
In this episode, we explore:• The loneliness wake-up call• Why handwritten letters are coming back• A powerful story about real emotional support
Because no algorithm can replace genuine connection.
#Friendship #HumanConnection #AIandSociety #LonelinessEpidemic #EmotionalWellbeing
“There are things a machine can simulate—but love, presence, and real friendship aren’t one of them.”
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                    <![CDATA[Friendship in the Age of AI: Can Artificial Intelligence Replace Human Connection?]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2026 05:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>Artificial Intelligence is starting to feel like a friend.</p>
<p>It’s available 24/7. It validates us. It responds instantly. It never gets tired. But what happens when AI starts replacing real human connection?</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we explore the emotional, psychological, and cultural impact of AI companionship. Why does AI sometimes feel more supportive than real people? What are “AI hallucinations”? And are we slowly losing our ability to tolerate disagreement and compromise?</p>
<p>Fawn shares her vulnerable experience of turning to AI during moments of frustration and loneliness — and why the responses sometimes felt deeply comforting. Matt breaks down how AI actually works, explaining why it can sound compassionate without truly understanding anything at all.</p>
<p>Together, they discuss:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>AI as therapist, friend, and emotional validator</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The dopamine effect of digital convenience</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Emotional labor in modern friendships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why conflict and compromise are essential to intimacy</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The danger of outsourcing companionship to algorithms</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How convenience culture is reshaping relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why wonder and surprise cannot be programmed</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>The episode ends with a simple but powerful reminder: a handwritten Valentine that meant more than any algorithm ever could.</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>AI and friendship</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Artificial intelligence and relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>AI companionship</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>AI therapy</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Digital loneliness</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Human connection in the digital age</p>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Emotional labor in friendships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Dopamine and technology</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Conflict in relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Parenting and AI</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Teens and artificial intelligence</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Convenience culture</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How AI affects relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>AI hallucinations explained</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>#AIAndFriendship<br />#HumanConnection<br />#DigitalLoneliness<br />#ArtificialIntelligence<br />#EmotionalLabor<br />#ConnectionOverConvenience<br />#ModernRelationships<br />#ChooseHumanity<br />#FriendshipMatters<br />#OurFriendlyWorld</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Artificial Intelligence is starting to feel like a friend.
It’s available 24/7. It validates us. It responds instantly. It never gets tired. But what happens when AI starts replacing real human connection?
In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, we explore the emotional, psychological, and cultural impact of AI companionship. Why does AI sometimes feel more supportive than real people? What are “AI hallucinations”? And are we slowly losing our ability to tolerate disagreement and compromise?
Fawn shares her vulnerable experience of turning to AI during moments of frustration and loneliness — and why the responses sometimes felt deeply comforting. Matt breaks down how AI actually works, explaining why it can sound compassionate without truly understanding anything at all.
Together, they discuss:


AI as therapist, friend, and emotional validator


The dopamine effect of digital convenience


Emotional labor in modern friendships


Why conflict and compromise are essential to intimacy


The danger of outsourcing companionship to algorithms


How convenience culture is reshaping relationships


Why wonder and surprise cannot be programmed


The episode ends with a simple but powerful reminder: a handwritten Valentine that meant more than any algorithm ever could.

AI and friendship


Artificial intelligence and relationships


AI companionship


AI therapy


Digital loneliness


Human connection in the digital age




Emotional labor in friendships


Dopamine and technology


Conflict in relationships


Parenting and AI


Teens and artificial intelligence


Convenience culture


How AI affects relationships


AI hallucinations explained


#AIAndFriendship#HumanConnection#DigitalLoneliness#ArtificialIntelligence#EmotionalLabor#ConnectionOverConvenience#ModernRelationships#ChooseHumanity#FriendshipMatters#OurFriendlyWorld]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>Artificial Intelligence is starting to feel like a friend.</p>
<p>It’s available 24/7. It validates us. It responds instantly. It never gets tired. But what happens when AI starts replacing real human connection?</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we explore the emotional, psychological, and cultural impact of AI companionship. Why does AI sometimes feel more supportive than real people? What are “AI hallucinations”? And are we slowly losing our ability to tolerate disagreement and compromise?</p>
<p>Fawn shares her vulnerable experience of turning to AI during moments of frustration and loneliness — and why the responses sometimes felt deeply comforting. Matt breaks down how AI actually works, explaining why it can sound compassionate without truly understanding anything at all.</p>
<p>Together, they discuss:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>AI as therapist, friend, and emotional validator</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The dopamine effect of digital convenience</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Emotional labor in modern friendships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why conflict and compromise are essential to intimacy</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The danger of outsourcing companionship to algorithms</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How convenience culture is reshaping relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why wonder and surprise cannot be programmed</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>The episode ends with a simple but powerful reminder: a handwritten Valentine that meant more than any algorithm ever could.</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>AI and friendship</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Artificial intelligence and relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>AI companionship</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>AI therapy</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Digital loneliness</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Human connection in the digital age</p>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Emotional labor in friendships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Dopamine and technology</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Conflict in relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Parenting and AI</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Teens and artificial intelligence</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Convenience culture</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How AI affects relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>AI hallucinations explained</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>#AIAndFriendship<br />#HumanConnection<br />#DigitalLoneliness<br />#ArtificialIntelligence<br />#EmotionalLabor<br />#ConnectionOverConvenience<br />#ModernRelationships<br />#ChooseHumanity<br />#FriendshipMatters<br />#OurFriendlyWorld</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Artificial Intelligence is starting to feel like a friend.
It’s available 24/7. It validates us. It responds instantly. It never gets tired. But what happens when AI starts replacing real human connection?
In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, we explore the emotional, psychological, and cultural impact of AI companionship. Why does AI sometimes feel more supportive than real people? What are “AI hallucinations”? And are we slowly losing our ability to tolerate disagreement and compromise?
Fawn shares her vulnerable experience of turning to AI during moments of frustration and loneliness — and why the responses sometimes felt deeply comforting. Matt breaks down how AI actually works, explaining why it can sound compassionate without truly understanding anything at all.
Together, they discuss:


AI as therapist, friend, and emotional validator


The dopamine effect of digital convenience


Emotional labor in modern friendships


Why conflict and compromise are essential to intimacy


The danger of outsourcing companionship to algorithms


How convenience culture is reshaping relationships


Why wonder and surprise cannot be programmed


The episode ends with a simple but powerful reminder: a handwritten Valentine that meant more than any algorithm ever could.

AI and friendship


Artificial intelligence and relationships


AI companionship


AI therapy


Digital loneliness


Human connection in the digital age




Emotional labor in friendships


Dopamine and technology


Conflict in relationships


Parenting and AI


Teens and artificial intelligence


Convenience culture


How AI affects relationships


AI hallucinations explained


#AIAndFriendship#HumanConnection#DigitalLoneliness#ArtificialIntelligence#EmotionalLabor#ConnectionOverConvenience#ModernRelationships#ChooseHumanity#FriendshipMatters#OurFriendlyWorld]]>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:30:20</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <item>
                <title>
                    <![CDATA[Friendship - Living in a World That Demands an Explanation]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2026 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                    https://permalink.castos.com/podcast/11391/episode/2352958</guid>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left">Why does it feel like we’re always explaining ourselves—especially in friendship?</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World</em>, we explore a deeply modern anxiety: the fear that silence will be misinterpreted, intentions will be assumed, and friendships will fracture unless we constantly justify who we are, what we meant, and what we <em>didn’t</em> mean.</p>
<p>We unpack how social media, performative morality, and call-out culture have turned everyday relationships into emotional courtrooms—where people feel pressure to preemptively defend themselves just to stay connected.</p>
<p>This conversation isn’t about blame. It’s about understanding why friendship feels heavier now, why authenticity is harder to maintain, and how trust erodes when explanation replaces presence.</p>
<p>If you’ve ever felt exhausted trying to be understood—or afraid that saying nothing would say the <em>wrong</em> thing—this episode holds a mirror to the cultural moment we’re all living inside.</p>
<h2><strong>Core Themes / Talking Points </strong></h2>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Why silence now feels risky instead of neutral</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Social media as a training ground for constant self-defense</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Performative morality and the pressure to prove “goodness”</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Preemptive justification in friendships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How explanation replaces trust</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why we’re communicating more—but connecting less</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Friendship fatigue in the age of interpretation</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>friendship podcast<br />modern friendship<br />friendship communication<br />explaining yourself in friendships<br />emotional exhaustion in relationships<br />social media and friendship<br />performative morality<br />call out culture and relationships<br />authentic friendship<br />emotional safety in friendship<br />trust in modern relationships<br />over explaining anxiety<br />boundaries in friendships<br />miscommunication in relationships</p>
<p>#FriendshipPodcast<br />#ModernFriendship<br />#EmotionalIntelligence<br />#AuthenticConnection<br />#RelationshipAnxiety<br />#OverExplaining<br />#CallOutCulture<br />#PerformativeMorality<br />#SocialMediaCulture<br />#EmotionalSafety<br />#TrustInFriendship<br />#HealthyRelationships<br />#OurFriendlyWorld</p>]]>
                                    </description>
                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[Why does it feel like we’re always explaining ourselves—especially in friendship?
In this episode of Our Friendly World, we explore a deeply modern anxiety: the fear that silence will be misinterpreted, intentions will be assumed, and friendships will fracture unless we constantly justify who we are, what we meant, and what we didn’t mean.
We unpack how social media, performative morality, and call-out culture have turned everyday relationships into emotional courtrooms—where people feel pressure to preemptively defend themselves just to stay connected.
This conversation isn’t about blame. It’s about understanding why friendship feels heavier now, why authenticity is harder to maintain, and how trust erodes when explanation replaces presence.
If you’ve ever felt exhausted trying to be understood—or afraid that saying nothing would say the wrong thing—this episode holds a mirror to the cultural moment we’re all living inside.
Core Themes / Talking Points 


Why silence now feels risky instead of neutral


Social media as a training ground for constant self-defense


Performative morality and the pressure to prove “goodness”


Preemptive justification in friendships


How explanation replaces trust


Why we’re communicating more—but connecting less


Friendship fatigue in the age of interpretation


friendship podcastmodern friendshipfriendship communicationexplaining yourself in friendshipsemotional exhaustion in relationshipssocial media and friendshipperformative moralitycall out culture and relationshipsauthentic friendshipemotional safety in friendshiptrust in modern relationshipsover explaining anxietyboundaries in friendshipsmiscommunication in relationships
#FriendshipPodcast#ModernFriendship#EmotionalIntelligence#AuthenticConnection#RelationshipAnxiety#OverExplaining#CallOutCulture#PerformativeMorality#SocialMediaCulture#EmotionalSafety#TrustInFriendship#HealthyRelationships#OurFriendlyWorld]]>
                </itunes:subtitle>
                                    <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[Friendship - Living in a World That Demands an Explanation]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left">Why does it feel like we’re always explaining ourselves—especially in friendship?</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World</em>, we explore a deeply modern anxiety: the fear that silence will be misinterpreted, intentions will be assumed, and friendships will fracture unless we constantly justify who we are, what we meant, and what we <em>didn’t</em> mean.</p>
<p>We unpack how social media, performative morality, and call-out culture have turned everyday relationships into emotional courtrooms—where people feel pressure to preemptively defend themselves just to stay connected.</p>
<p>This conversation isn’t about blame. It’s about understanding why friendship feels heavier now, why authenticity is harder to maintain, and how trust erodes when explanation replaces presence.</p>
<p>If you’ve ever felt exhausted trying to be understood—or afraid that saying nothing would say the <em>wrong</em> thing—this episode holds a mirror to the cultural moment we’re all living inside.</p>
<h2><strong>Core Themes / Talking Points </strong></h2>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Why silence now feels risky instead of neutral</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Social media as a training ground for constant self-defense</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Performative morality and the pressure to prove “goodness”</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Preemptive justification in friendships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How explanation replaces trust</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why we’re communicating more—but connecting less</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Friendship fatigue in the age of interpretation</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>friendship podcast<br />modern friendship<br />friendship communication<br />explaining yourself in friendships<br />emotional exhaustion in relationships<br />social media and friendship<br />performative morality<br />call out culture and relationships<br />authentic friendship<br />emotional safety in friendship<br />trust in modern relationships<br />over explaining anxiety<br />boundaries in friendships<br />miscommunication in relationships</p>
<p>#FriendshipPodcast<br />#ModernFriendship<br />#EmotionalIntelligence<br />#AuthenticConnection<br />#RelationshipAnxiety<br />#OverExplaining<br />#CallOutCulture<br />#PerformativeMorality<br />#SocialMediaCulture<br />#EmotionalSafety<br />#TrustInFriendship<br />#HealthyRelationships<br />#OurFriendlyWorld</p>]]>
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                                <itunes:summary>
                    <![CDATA[Why does it feel like we’re always explaining ourselves—especially in friendship?
In this episode of Our Friendly World, we explore a deeply modern anxiety: the fear that silence will be misinterpreted, intentions will be assumed, and friendships will fracture unless we constantly justify who we are, what we meant, and what we didn’t mean.
We unpack how social media, performative morality, and call-out culture have turned everyday relationships into emotional courtrooms—where people feel pressure to preemptively defend themselves just to stay connected.
This conversation isn’t about blame. It’s about understanding why friendship feels heavier now, why authenticity is harder to maintain, and how trust erodes when explanation replaces presence.
If you’ve ever felt exhausted trying to be understood—or afraid that saying nothing would say the wrong thing—this episode holds a mirror to the cultural moment we’re all living inside.
Core Themes / Talking Points 


Why silence now feels risky instead of neutral


Social media as a training ground for constant self-defense


Performative morality and the pressure to prove “goodness”


Preemptive justification in friendships


How explanation replaces trust


Why we’re communicating more—but connecting less


Friendship fatigue in the age of interpretation


friendship podcastmodern friendshipfriendship communicationexplaining yourself in friendshipsemotional exhaustion in relationshipssocial media and friendshipperformative moralitycall out culture and relationshipsauthentic friendshipemotional safety in friendshiptrust in modern relationshipsover explaining anxietyboundaries in friendshipsmiscommunication in relationships
#FriendshipPodcast#ModernFriendship#EmotionalIntelligence#AuthenticConnection#RelationshipAnxiety#OverExplaining#CallOutCulture#PerformativeMorality#SocialMediaCulture#EmotionalSafety#TrustInFriendship#HealthyRelationships#OurFriendlyWorld]]>
                </itunes:summary>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:28:09</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <item>
                <title>
                    <![CDATA[The Quiet Cost of Needing to Belong]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2026 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
                <guid isPermaLink="true">
                    https://permalink.castos.com/podcast/11391/episode/2345596</guid>
                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/the-quiet-cost-of-needing-to-belong</link>
                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p><strong>The Quiet Cost of Needing to Belong</strong> explores what happens when the human need for belonging quietly replaces self-trust. In this episode, Fawn and Matt examine how fear, loneliness, shame, and uncertainty can drive people toward mass movements, rigid identities, and even unhealthy friendships—offering borrowed certainty instead of inner stability.</p>
<p>They unpack the difference between true friendship and loyalty that demands self-erasure, how “us vs. them” thinking destroys intimacy, and why real connection never requires silencing your inner voice. From imposter syndrome and victimhood to freedom, individuality, and living with uncertainty, this conversation invites listeners to reclaim their inner authority.</p>
<p>At its heart, this episode is a reminder: you don’t have to disappear to belong. Real friendship strengthens self-trust. A livable inner world protects against dangerous certainty. And becoming comfortable with ambiguity may be the most radical act of all.</p>
<p></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>the need to belong</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>fear of being alone</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>mass movements and identity</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>borrowed certainty</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>inner authority</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>unhealthy loyalty in friendships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>self-trust and belonging</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>individuality vs groupthink</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>living with uncertainty</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>escaping the self</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>friendship vs fanaticism</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>moral certainty and control</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>imposter syndrome and self-worth</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>freedom and responsibility</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>finding meaning without losing yourself</p>
</li>
</ul>
<h2></h2>
<p>#TheQuietCostOfBelonging<br /> #InnerAuthority<br /> #HealthyFriendships<br /> #SelfTrust<br /> #BelongingWithoutLosingYourself<br /> #Groupthink<br /> #EmotionalFreedom<br /> #LivingWithUncertainty<br /> #PersonalGrowth<br /> #OurFriendlyWorld</p>]]>
                                    </description>
                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[The Quiet Cost of Needing to Belong explores what happens when the human need for belonging quietly replaces self-trust. In this episode, Fawn and Matt examine how fear, loneliness, shame, and uncertainty can drive people toward mass movements, rigid identities, and even unhealthy friendships—offering borrowed certainty instead of inner stability.
They unpack the difference between true friendship and loyalty that demands self-erasure, how “us vs. them” thinking destroys intimacy, and why real connection never requires silencing your inner voice. From imposter syndrome and victimhood to freedom, individuality, and living with uncertainty, this conversation invites listeners to reclaim their inner authority.
At its heart, this episode is a reminder: you don’t have to disappear to belong. Real friendship strengthens self-trust. A livable inner world protects against dangerous certainty. And becoming comfortable with ambiguity may be the most radical act of all.



the need to belong


fear of being alone


mass movements and identity


borrowed certainty


inner authority


unhealthy loyalty in friendships


self-trust and belonging


individuality vs groupthink


living with uncertainty


escaping the self


friendship vs fanaticism


moral certainty and control


imposter syndrome and self-worth


freedom and responsibility


finding meaning without losing yourself



#TheQuietCostOfBelonging #InnerAuthority #HealthyFriendships #SelfTrust #BelongingWithoutLosingYourself #Groupthink #EmotionalFreedom #LivingWithUncertainty #PersonalGrowth #OurFriendlyWorld]]>
                </itunes:subtitle>
                                    <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[The Quiet Cost of Needing to Belong]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><strong>The Quiet Cost of Needing to Belong</strong> explores what happens when the human need for belonging quietly replaces self-trust. In this episode, Fawn and Matt examine how fear, loneliness, shame, and uncertainty can drive people toward mass movements, rigid identities, and even unhealthy friendships—offering borrowed certainty instead of inner stability.</p>
<p>They unpack the difference between true friendship and loyalty that demands self-erasure, how “us vs. them” thinking destroys intimacy, and why real connection never requires silencing your inner voice. From imposter syndrome and victimhood to freedom, individuality, and living with uncertainty, this conversation invites listeners to reclaim their inner authority.</p>
<p>At its heart, this episode is a reminder: you don’t have to disappear to belong. Real friendship strengthens self-trust. A livable inner world protects against dangerous certainty. And becoming comfortable with ambiguity may be the most radical act of all.</p>
<p></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>the need to belong</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>fear of being alone</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>mass movements and identity</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>borrowed certainty</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>inner authority</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>unhealthy loyalty in friendships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>self-trust and belonging</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>individuality vs groupthink</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>living with uncertainty</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>escaping the self</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>friendship vs fanaticism</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>moral certainty and control</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>imposter syndrome and self-worth</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>freedom and responsibility</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>finding meaning without losing yourself</p>
</li>
</ul>
<h2></h2>
<p>#TheQuietCostOfBelonging<br /> #InnerAuthority<br /> #HealthyFriendships<br /> #SelfTrust<br /> #BelongingWithoutLosingYourself<br /> #Groupthink<br /> #EmotionalFreedom<br /> #LivingWithUncertainty<br /> #PersonalGrowth<br /> #OurFriendlyWorld</p>]]>
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                                <itunes:summary>
                    <![CDATA[The Quiet Cost of Needing to Belong explores what happens when the human need for belonging quietly replaces self-trust. In this episode, Fawn and Matt examine how fear, loneliness, shame, and uncertainty can drive people toward mass movements, rigid identities, and even unhealthy friendships—offering borrowed certainty instead of inner stability.
They unpack the difference between true friendship and loyalty that demands self-erasure, how “us vs. them” thinking destroys intimacy, and why real connection never requires silencing your inner voice. From imposter syndrome and victimhood to freedom, individuality, and living with uncertainty, this conversation invites listeners to reclaim their inner authority.
At its heart, this episode is a reminder: you don’t have to disappear to belong. Real friendship strengthens self-trust. A livable inner world protects against dangerous certainty. And becoming comfortable with ambiguity may be the most radical act of all.



the need to belong


fear of being alone


mass movements and identity


borrowed certainty


inner authority


unhealthy loyalty in friendships


self-trust and belonging


individuality vs groupthink


living with uncertainty


escaping the self


friendship vs fanaticism


moral certainty and control


imposter syndrome and self-worth


freedom and responsibility


finding meaning without losing yourself



#TheQuietCostOfBelonging #InnerAuthority #HealthyFriendships #SelfTrust #BelongingWithoutLosingYourself #Groupthink #EmotionalFreedom #LivingWithUncertainty #PersonalGrowth #OurFriendlyWorld]]>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:36:08</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                <title>
                    <![CDATA[Why You Feel Lonely Even When You’re Doing Everything Right: Friendship, Class, and the Rise of Micro-Community]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2026 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                    https://permalink.castos.com/podcast/11391/episode/2338188</guid>
                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/why-you-feel-lonely-even-when-youre-doing-everything-right-friendship-class-and-the-rise-of-micr</link>
                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>Why does friendship feel so hard—even when you’re kind, self-aware, and doing your best?</p>
<p>In this episode, we explore how loneliness is no longer a personal failure, but a <strong>structural outcome</strong> of modern life. From the collapse of local community and the flattening of class visibility, to hustle culture, debt, and performative connection, we unpack why so many people feel isolated while appearing “fine.”</p>
<p>We talk about shame versus solidarity, why belonging has become transactional, and how social media and curated success narratives hide precarity instead of healing it. Most importantly, we introduce the idea of <strong>micro-community</strong>—small, quiet, human-scale connections that don’t require performance, status, or constant availability.</p>
<p>This conversation is for anyone who feels alone, unseen, or quietly holding themselves together. You didn’t do anything wrong. Friendship didn’t fail. We’re living through its dismantling—and its rebirth is happening in the cracks.</p>
<p>If you’re searching for real friendship, emotional safety, and belonging without burnout, this episode offers language, clarity, and a way forward—one gentle connection at a time.</p>
<p></p>
<p>#ArtOfFriendship #MicroCommunity #LivingInTheCracks #Belonging</p>]]>
                                    </description>
                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[Why does friendship feel so hard—even when you’re kind, self-aware, and doing your best?
In this episode, we explore how loneliness is no longer a personal failure, but a structural outcome of modern life. From the collapse of local community and the flattening of class visibility, to hustle culture, debt, and performative connection, we unpack why so many people feel isolated while appearing “fine.”
We talk about shame versus solidarity, why belonging has become transactional, and how social media and curated success narratives hide precarity instead of healing it. Most importantly, we introduce the idea of micro-community—small, quiet, human-scale connections that don’t require performance, status, or constant availability.
This conversation is for anyone who feels alone, unseen, or quietly holding themselves together. You didn’t do anything wrong. Friendship didn’t fail. We’re living through its dismantling—and its rebirth is happening in the cracks.
If you’re searching for real friendship, emotional safety, and belonging without burnout, this episode offers language, clarity, and a way forward—one gentle connection at a time.

#ArtOfFriendship #MicroCommunity #LivingInTheCracks #Belonging]]>
                </itunes:subtitle>
                                    <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[Why You Feel Lonely Even When You’re Doing Everything Right: Friendship, Class, and the Rise of Micro-Community]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>Why does friendship feel so hard—even when you’re kind, self-aware, and doing your best?</p>
<p>In this episode, we explore how loneliness is no longer a personal failure, but a <strong>structural outcome</strong> of modern life. From the collapse of local community and the flattening of class visibility, to hustle culture, debt, and performative connection, we unpack why so many people feel isolated while appearing “fine.”</p>
<p>We talk about shame versus solidarity, why belonging has become transactional, and how social media and curated success narratives hide precarity instead of healing it. Most importantly, we introduce the idea of <strong>micro-community</strong>—small, quiet, human-scale connections that don’t require performance, status, or constant availability.</p>
<p>This conversation is for anyone who feels alone, unseen, or quietly holding themselves together. You didn’t do anything wrong. Friendship didn’t fail. We’re living through its dismantling—and its rebirth is happening in the cracks.</p>
<p>If you’re searching for real friendship, emotional safety, and belonging without burnout, this episode offers language, clarity, and a way forward—one gentle connection at a time.</p>
<p></p>
<p>#ArtOfFriendship #MicroCommunity #LivingInTheCracks #Belonging</p>]]>
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                                <itunes:summary>
                    <![CDATA[Why does friendship feel so hard—even when you’re kind, self-aware, and doing your best?
In this episode, we explore how loneliness is no longer a personal failure, but a structural outcome of modern life. From the collapse of local community and the flattening of class visibility, to hustle culture, debt, and performative connection, we unpack why so many people feel isolated while appearing “fine.”
We talk about shame versus solidarity, why belonging has become transactional, and how social media and curated success narratives hide precarity instead of healing it. Most importantly, we introduce the idea of micro-community—small, quiet, human-scale connections that don’t require performance, status, or constant availability.
This conversation is for anyone who feels alone, unseen, or quietly holding themselves together. You didn’t do anything wrong. Friendship didn’t fail. We’re living through its dismantling—and its rebirth is happening in the cracks.
If you’re searching for real friendship, emotional safety, and belonging without burnout, this episode offers language, clarity, and a way forward—one gentle connection at a time.

#ArtOfFriendship #MicroCommunity #LivingInTheCracks #Belonging]]>
                </itunes:summary>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:59:19</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <item>
                <title>
                    <![CDATA[Trusting life (and Friendships) Enough to Stop Forcing It - How Deep Listening, Surrender, and Trust Bring Clarity in Friendships, Decisions, and Life]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2026 06:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                    https://permalink.castos.com/podcast/11391/episode/2329201</guid>
                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/trusting-life-and-friendships-enough-to-stop-forcing-it-how-deep-listening-surrender-and-trust</link>
                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>This friendship podcast episode explores deep listening, letting go of control, and how clarity emerges when we stop forcing outcomes.</p>
<p>This is an experiment in presence.</p>
<p>Fawn and Matt explore what happens when we stop forcing clarity, stop bracing for outcomes, and begin listening—deeply—to others and to ourselves. From Friedships and parenting to decision-making, fear, regret, and faith, this conversation unfolds without an agenda.</p>
<p>They reflect on how control blocks truth, why silence often reveals more than words, and how real clarity arrives only after we let go.</p>
<p>This episode isn’t about having answers.<br />It’s about making space—and trusting what shows up and trusting that right friends will show up.</p>
<p></p>
<p><b>deep listening, listening deeply, letting go of control, surrender and trust, mindful communication, friendship podcast, art of friendship, emotional intelligence, authentic listening, intuitive decision making, presence and awareness, stop forcing clarity </b></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>#DeepListening #LettingGo #ArtOfFriendship #FriendshipPodcast #MindfulRelationships #StopForcing #ListenDeeply #EmotionalIntelligence #AuthenticConnection #TrustTheProcess #PresenceOverPerfection #HumanConnection</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>]]>
                                    </description>
                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[This friendship podcast episode explores deep listening, letting go of control, and how clarity emerges when we stop forcing outcomes.
This is an experiment in presence.
Fawn and Matt explore what happens when we stop forcing clarity, stop bracing for outcomes, and begin listening—deeply—to others and to ourselves. From Friedships and parenting to decision-making, fear, regret, and faith, this conversation unfolds without an agenda.
They reflect on how control blocks truth, why silence often reveals more than words, and how real clarity arrives only after we let go.
This episode isn’t about having answers.It’s about making space—and trusting what shows up and trusting that right friends will show up.

deep listening, listening deeply, letting go of control, surrender and trust, mindful communication, friendship podcast, art of friendship, emotional intelligence, authentic listening, intuitive decision making, presence and awareness, stop forcing clarity 

#DeepListening #LettingGo #ArtOfFriendship #FriendshipPodcast #MindfulRelationships #StopForcing #ListenDeeply #EmotionalIntelligence #AuthenticConnection #TrustTheProcess #PresenceOverPerfection #HumanConnection
]]>
                </itunes:subtitle>
                                    <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[Trusting life (and Friendships) Enough to Stop Forcing It - How Deep Listening, Surrender, and Trust Bring Clarity in Friendships, Decisions, and Life]]>
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                                                <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>This friendship podcast episode explores deep listening, letting go of control, and how clarity emerges when we stop forcing outcomes.</p>
<p>This is an experiment in presence.</p>
<p>Fawn and Matt explore what happens when we stop forcing clarity, stop bracing for outcomes, and begin listening—deeply—to others and to ourselves. From Friedships and parenting to decision-making, fear, regret, and faith, this conversation unfolds without an agenda.</p>
<p>They reflect on how control blocks truth, why silence often reveals more than words, and how real clarity arrives only after we let go.</p>
<p>This episode isn’t about having answers.<br />It’s about making space—and trusting what shows up and trusting that right friends will show up.</p>
<p></p>
<p><b>deep listening, listening deeply, letting go of control, surrender and trust, mindful communication, friendship podcast, art of friendship, emotional intelligence, authentic listening, intuitive decision making, presence and awareness, stop forcing clarity </b></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>#DeepListening #LettingGo #ArtOfFriendship #FriendshipPodcast #MindfulRelationships #StopForcing #ListenDeeply #EmotionalIntelligence #AuthenticConnection #TrustTheProcess #PresenceOverPerfection #HumanConnection</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This friendship podcast episode explores deep listening, letting go of control, and how clarity emerges when we stop forcing outcomes.
This is an experiment in presence.
Fawn and Matt explore what happens when we stop forcing clarity, stop bracing for outcomes, and begin listening—deeply—to others and to ourselves. From Friedships and parenting to decision-making, fear, regret, and faith, this conversation unfolds without an agenda.
They reflect on how control blocks truth, why silence often reveals more than words, and how real clarity arrives only after we let go.
This episode isn’t about having answers.It’s about making space—and trusting what shows up and trusting that right friends will show up.

deep listening, listening deeply, letting go of control, surrender and trust, mindful communication, friendship podcast, art of friendship, emotional intelligence, authentic listening, intuitive decision making, presence and awareness, stop forcing clarity 

#DeepListening #LettingGo #ArtOfFriendship #FriendshipPodcast #MindfulRelationships #StopForcing #ListenDeeply #EmotionalIntelligence #AuthenticConnection #TrustTheProcess #PresenceOverPerfection #HumanConnection
]]>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:23:16</itunes:duration>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                <title>
                    <![CDATA[“Yes, And: How Improv Improves Communication and Friendship”]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2026 07:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<h2>When Life Feels Unbearable, Two Words Can Change Everything</h2>
<p>There are moments when life feels like swimming upstream—against the current of relationships, work, parenting, and the state of the world itself. In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we explore a deceptively simple idea borrowed from improv that can shift how we show up in friendships and in life: <strong>“Yes, And.”</strong></p>
<p>Originally shared with Fawn by a trusted voice acting coach, these two words landed far beyond the audition room. They became a framework for navigating disappointment, fear, conflict, and change—without denying reality or suppressing emotion.</p>
<p>“<strong>Yes, And</strong>” doesn’t mean passive acceptance. It means:</p>
<p><strong>I accept what’s here — and I choose to build from it.</strong></p>
<p>That mindset creates flow instead of friction, possibility instead of paralysis.</p>
<h2>What “Yes, And” Really Means (and What It Doesn’t)</h2>
<p>In improv, “Yes, And” keeps a scene alive. In life, it keeps <em>you</em> moving.</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><strong>Yes</strong> = This is happening. I acknowledge it.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>And</strong> = I still have agency. I still get to choose what comes next.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>This isn’t about pretending things are fine when they’re not. It’s about validating your emotional experience <em>without getting stuck inside it</em>.</p>
<p>As Matt explains in the episode, this approach aligns closely with the psychology of acceptance: when we stop fighting reality, we free up mental and emotional energy to move forward.</p>
<h2>Applying “Yes, And” to Friendship</h2>
<p>Friendships are one of the places where resistance shows up most clearly. We want things to be different than they are—and that tension can quietly erode connection.</p>
<p>Here’s what “Yes, And” can sound like in real friendship moments:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><strong>Yes</strong>, this friendship didn’t unfold the way I hoped — <strong>and</strong> I can choose how I end it and how I begin again.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>Yes</strong>, I feel nervous about putting myself out there — <strong>and</strong> I’ll show up anyway.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>Yes</strong>, I don’t feel like going out right now — <strong>and</strong> I trust I’ll reconnect when I’m ready.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Instead of repeating old patterns, “Yes, And” helps us close chapters with awareness—so we don’t recreate the same dynamics in the next relationship.</p>
<h2>A Tool for Conflict (Without the Fight)</h2>
<p>One of the most powerful aspects of “Yes, And” is how it <em>removes charge</em> from difficult interactions.</p>
<p>When someone comes at us with strong opinions or challenging beliefs, arguing often fuels the fire. But “Yes, And” can quietly disarm conflict:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>It acknowledges the other person’s perspective without agreeing or escalating.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>It avoids the trap of “winning” an argument at the cost of connection.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>It redirects energy toward solutions instead of standoffs.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>As Fawn and Matt discuss, this approach validates existence without validating harm—and that distinction matters deeply in friendships.</p>
<h2><br /><br /></h2>
<p>The word <em>resilience</em> gets thrown around a lot, but this episode grounds it in something practical.</p>
<p>Every “And” is a step forward:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><strong>Yes</strong>, I didn’t get the job — <strong>and</strong> I learned what to try next.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>Yes</strong>, this is new and scary — <strong>and</strong> I’m capable.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>Yes</strong>, things feel heavy right now — <strong>and</strong> there is still hope.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Research shows that forward-focused thinking increases life satisfaction and inner peace. “Yes, And” gently shifts attention from what’s blocking us to where we’re going.</p>
<h2>Presence, Awareness, and Flow</h2>
<p>At its core, “Yes, And” is a mindf...</p>]]>
                                    </description>
                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[When Life Feels Unbearable, Two Words Can Change Everything
There are moments when life feels like swimming upstream—against the current of relationships, work, parenting, and the state of the world itself. In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, we explore a deceptively simple idea borrowed from improv that can shift how we show up in friendships and in life: “Yes, And.”
Originally shared with Fawn by a trusted voice acting coach, these two words landed far beyond the audition room. They became a framework for navigating disappointment, fear, conflict, and change—without denying reality or suppressing emotion.
“Yes, And” doesn’t mean passive acceptance. It means:
I accept what’s here — and I choose to build from it.
That mindset creates flow instead of friction, possibility instead of paralysis.
What “Yes, And” Really Means (and What It Doesn’t)
In improv, “Yes, And” keeps a scene alive. In life, it keeps you moving.


Yes = This is happening. I acknowledge it.


And = I still have agency. I still get to choose what comes next.


This isn’t about pretending things are fine when they’re not. It’s about validating your emotional experience without getting stuck inside it.
As Matt explains in the episode, this approach aligns closely with the psychology of acceptance: when we stop fighting reality, we free up mental and emotional energy to move forward.
Applying “Yes, And” to Friendship
Friendships are one of the places where resistance shows up most clearly. We want things to be different than they are—and that tension can quietly erode connection.
Here’s what “Yes, And” can sound like in real friendship moments:


Yes, this friendship didn’t unfold the way I hoped — and I can choose how I end it and how I begin again.


Yes, I feel nervous about putting myself out there — and I’ll show up anyway.


Yes, I don’t feel like going out right now — and I trust I’ll reconnect when I’m ready.


Instead of repeating old patterns, “Yes, And” helps us close chapters with awareness—so we don’t recreate the same dynamics in the next relationship.
A Tool for Conflict (Without the Fight)
One of the most powerful aspects of “Yes, And” is how it removes charge from difficult interactions.
When someone comes at us with strong opinions or challenging beliefs, arguing often fuels the fire. But “Yes, And” can quietly disarm conflict:


It acknowledges the other person’s perspective without agreeing or escalating.


It avoids the trap of “winning” an argument at the cost of connection.


It redirects energy toward solutions instead of standoffs.


As Fawn and Matt discuss, this approach validates existence without validating harm—and that distinction matters deeply in friendships.

The word resilience gets thrown around a lot, but this episode grounds it in something practical.
Every “And” is a step forward:


Yes, I didn’t get the job — and I learned what to try next.


Yes, this is new and scary — and I’m capable.


Yes, things feel heavy right now — and there is still hope.


Research shows that forward-focused thinking increases life satisfaction and inner peace. “Yes, And” gently shifts attention from what’s blocking us to where we’re going.
Presence, Awareness, and Flow
At its core, “Yes, And” is a mindf...]]>
                </itunes:subtitle>
                                    <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[“Yes, And: How Improv Improves Communication and Friendship”]]>
                </itunes:title>
                                                <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
                <content:encoded>
                    <![CDATA[<h2>When Life Feels Unbearable, Two Words Can Change Everything</h2>
<p>There are moments when life feels like swimming upstream—against the current of relationships, work, parenting, and the state of the world itself. In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we explore a deceptively simple idea borrowed from improv that can shift how we show up in friendships and in life: <strong>“Yes, And.”</strong></p>
<p>Originally shared with Fawn by a trusted voice acting coach, these two words landed far beyond the audition room. They became a framework for navigating disappointment, fear, conflict, and change—without denying reality or suppressing emotion.</p>
<p>“<strong>Yes, And</strong>” doesn’t mean passive acceptance. It means:</p>
<p><strong>I accept what’s here — and I choose to build from it.</strong></p>
<p>That mindset creates flow instead of friction, possibility instead of paralysis.</p>
<h2>What “Yes, And” Really Means (and What It Doesn’t)</h2>
<p>In improv, “Yes, And” keeps a scene alive. In life, it keeps <em>you</em> moving.</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><strong>Yes</strong> = This is happening. I acknowledge it.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>And</strong> = I still have agency. I still get to choose what comes next.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>This isn’t about pretending things are fine when they’re not. It’s about validating your emotional experience <em>without getting stuck inside it</em>.</p>
<p>As Matt explains in the episode, this approach aligns closely with the psychology of acceptance: when we stop fighting reality, we free up mental and emotional energy to move forward.</p>
<h2>Applying “Yes, And” to Friendship</h2>
<p>Friendships are one of the places where resistance shows up most clearly. We want things to be different than they are—and that tension can quietly erode connection.</p>
<p>Here’s what “Yes, And” can sound like in real friendship moments:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><strong>Yes</strong>, this friendship didn’t unfold the way I hoped — <strong>and</strong> I can choose how I end it and how I begin again.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>Yes</strong>, I feel nervous about putting myself out there — <strong>and</strong> I’ll show up anyway.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>Yes</strong>, I don’t feel like going out right now — <strong>and</strong> I trust I’ll reconnect when I’m ready.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Instead of repeating old patterns, “Yes, And” helps us close chapters with awareness—so we don’t recreate the same dynamics in the next relationship.</p>
<h2>A Tool for Conflict (Without the Fight)</h2>
<p>One of the most powerful aspects of “Yes, And” is how it <em>removes charge</em> from difficult interactions.</p>
<p>When someone comes at us with strong opinions or challenging beliefs, arguing often fuels the fire. But “Yes, And” can quietly disarm conflict:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>It acknowledges the other person’s perspective without agreeing or escalating.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>It avoids the trap of “winning” an argument at the cost of connection.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>It redirects energy toward solutions instead of standoffs.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>As Fawn and Matt discuss, this approach validates existence without validating harm—and that distinction matters deeply in friendships.</p>
<h2><br /><br /></h2>
<p>The word <em>resilience</em> gets thrown around a lot, but this episode grounds it in something practical.</p>
<p>Every “And” is a step forward:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><strong>Yes</strong>, I didn’t get the job — <strong>and</strong> I learned what to try next.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>Yes</strong>, this is new and scary — <strong>and</strong> I’m capable.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>Yes</strong>, things feel heavy right now — <strong>and</strong> there is still hope.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Research shows that forward-focused thinking increases life satisfaction and inner peace. “Yes, And” gently shifts attention from what’s blocking us to where we’re going.</p>
<h2>Presence, Awareness, and Flow</h2>
<p>At its core, “Yes, And” is a mindfulness practice.</p>
<p>It brings us back into the present moment:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Not fighting what already happened</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Not catastrophizing what hasn’t happened yet</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Simply asking: <em>What’s the next right step?</em></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Whether you’re navigating friendship challenges, career uncertainty, parenting stress, or world events that feel overwhelming—this tool invites steadiness instead of spiraling.</p>
<h2>A Short Episode — A Long Reach</h2>
<p>This week’s episode is intentionally short, offering listeners time to actually <em>use</em> the idea rather than just hear it.</p>
<p>If you’ve been feeling exhausted, stuck, or discouraged, consider experimenting with these two words today:</p>
<p><strong>Yes. And.</strong></p>
<p>They might just change how you move through the world.</p>
<p></p>
<p></p>
<p></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[When Life Feels Unbearable, Two Words Can Change Everything
There are moments when life feels like swimming upstream—against the current of relationships, work, parenting, and the state of the world itself. In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, we explore a deceptively simple idea borrowed from improv that can shift how we show up in friendships and in life: “Yes, And.”
Originally shared with Fawn by a trusted voice acting coach, these two words landed far beyond the audition room. They became a framework for navigating disappointment, fear, conflict, and change—without denying reality or suppressing emotion.
“Yes, And” doesn’t mean passive acceptance. It means:
I accept what’s here — and I choose to build from it.
That mindset creates flow instead of friction, possibility instead of paralysis.
What “Yes, And” Really Means (and What It Doesn’t)
In improv, “Yes, And” keeps a scene alive. In life, it keeps you moving.


Yes = This is happening. I acknowledge it.


And = I still have agency. I still get to choose what comes next.


This isn’t about pretending things are fine when they’re not. It’s about validating your emotional experience without getting stuck inside it.
As Matt explains in the episode, this approach aligns closely with the psychology of acceptance: when we stop fighting reality, we free up mental and emotional energy to move forward.
Applying “Yes, And” to Friendship
Friendships are one of the places where resistance shows up most clearly. We want things to be different than they are—and that tension can quietly erode connection.
Here’s what “Yes, And” can sound like in real friendship moments:


Yes, this friendship didn’t unfold the way I hoped — and I can choose how I end it and how I begin again.


Yes, I feel nervous about putting myself out there — and I’ll show up anyway.


Yes, I don’t feel like going out right now — and I trust I’ll reconnect when I’m ready.


Instead of repeating old patterns, “Yes, And” helps us close chapters with awareness—so we don’t recreate the same dynamics in the next relationship.
A Tool for Conflict (Without the Fight)
One of the most powerful aspects of “Yes, And” is how it removes charge from difficult interactions.
When someone comes at us with strong opinions or challenging beliefs, arguing often fuels the fire. But “Yes, And” can quietly disarm conflict:


It acknowledges the other person’s perspective without agreeing or escalating.


It avoids the trap of “winning” an argument at the cost of connection.


It redirects energy toward solutions instead of standoffs.


As Fawn and Matt discuss, this approach validates existence without validating harm—and that distinction matters deeply in friendships.

The word resilience gets thrown around a lot, but this episode grounds it in something practical.
Every “And” is a step forward:


Yes, I didn’t get the job — and I learned what to try next.


Yes, this is new and scary — and I’m capable.


Yes, things feel heavy right now — and there is still hope.


Research shows that forward-focused thinking increases life satisfaction and inner peace. “Yes, And” gently shifts attention from what’s blocking us to where we’re going.
Presence, Awareness, and Flow
At its core, “Yes, And” is a mindf...]]>
                </itunes:summary>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:14:48</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <item>
                <title>
                    <![CDATA[The Measuring Cup: Honesty, Self-Worth, and the Measure of Friendship]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2026 03:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
                <guid isPermaLink="true">
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>What does a <strong>measuring cup</strong> have to do with dating, friendship, and self-worth?</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we revisit the infamous 1990s dating book <strong>The Rules</strong> — not to praise or dismiss it, but to look at what still holds wisdom beneath the criticism. Through the story of a single measuring cup (a gift that nearly ended our relationship before it began), we explore how <strong>honesty, authenticity, clarity, and self-respect</strong> matter far more than games or mixed signals.</p>
<p>This conversation moves beyond romantic relationships and into the heart of <strong>true friendship</strong>:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>How do you know if a relationship is one-sided?</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>When does “mystery” become healthy boundaries — and when does it become emotional avoidance?</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why oversharing can be as harmful as silence</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>What self-worth actually looks like in everyday interactions</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>And why being “easy to live with” might be one of the most underrated relationship skills of all</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>In a culture exhausted by busyness, confusion, and ideological extremes, this episode is a gentle reminder to <strong>measure what matters</strong>, speak honestly, and choose relationships that feel grounded, mutual, and kind.</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>friendship podcast</p>
<p>relationships podcast</p>
<p>honesty in relationships</p>
<p>self worth and friendship</p>
<p>clarity in dating</p>
<p>healthy friendships</p>
<p>one sided friendships</p>
<p>emotional boundaries</p>
<p>authentic relationships</p>
<p>modern dating</p>]]>
                                    </description>
                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[What does a measuring cup have to do with dating, friendship, and self-worth?
In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, we revisit the infamous 1990s dating book The Rules — not to praise or dismiss it, but to look at what still holds wisdom beneath the criticism. Through the story of a single measuring cup (a gift that nearly ended our relationship before it began), we explore how honesty, authenticity, clarity, and self-respect matter far more than games or mixed signals.
This conversation moves beyond romantic relationships and into the heart of true friendship:


How do you know if a relationship is one-sided?


When does “mystery” become healthy boundaries — and when does it become emotional avoidance?


Why oversharing can be as harmful as silence


What self-worth actually looks like in everyday interactions


And why being “easy to live with” might be one of the most underrated relationship skills of all


In a culture exhausted by busyness, confusion, and ideological extremes, this episode is a gentle reminder to measure what matters, speak honestly, and choose relationships that feel grounded, mutual, and kind.

friendship podcast
relationships podcast
honesty in relationships
self worth and friendship
clarity in dating
healthy friendships
one sided friendships
emotional boundaries
authentic relationships
modern dating]]>
                </itunes:subtitle>
                                    <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[The Measuring Cup: Honesty, Self-Worth, and the Measure of Friendship]]>
                </itunes:title>
                                                <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
                <content:encoded>
                    <![CDATA[<p>What does a <strong>measuring cup</strong> have to do with dating, friendship, and self-worth?</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we revisit the infamous 1990s dating book <strong>The Rules</strong> — not to praise or dismiss it, but to look at what still holds wisdom beneath the criticism. Through the story of a single measuring cup (a gift that nearly ended our relationship before it began), we explore how <strong>honesty, authenticity, clarity, and self-respect</strong> matter far more than games or mixed signals.</p>
<p>This conversation moves beyond romantic relationships and into the heart of <strong>true friendship</strong>:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>How do you know if a relationship is one-sided?</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>When does “mystery” become healthy boundaries — and when does it become emotional avoidance?</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why oversharing can be as harmful as silence</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>What self-worth actually looks like in everyday interactions</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>And why being “easy to live with” might be one of the most underrated relationship skills of all</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>In a culture exhausted by busyness, confusion, and ideological extremes, this episode is a gentle reminder to <strong>measure what matters</strong>, speak honestly, and choose relationships that feel grounded, mutual, and kind.</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>friendship podcast</p>
<p>relationships podcast</p>
<p>honesty in relationships</p>
<p>self worth and friendship</p>
<p>clarity in dating</p>
<p>healthy friendships</p>
<p>one sided friendships</p>
<p>emotional boundaries</p>
<p>authentic relationships</p>
<p>modern dating</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[What does a measuring cup have to do with dating, friendship, and self-worth?
In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, we revisit the infamous 1990s dating book The Rules — not to praise or dismiss it, but to look at what still holds wisdom beneath the criticism. Through the story of a single measuring cup (a gift that nearly ended our relationship before it began), we explore how honesty, authenticity, clarity, and self-respect matter far more than games or mixed signals.
This conversation moves beyond romantic relationships and into the heart of true friendship:


How do you know if a relationship is one-sided?


When does “mystery” become healthy boundaries — and when does it become emotional avoidance?


Why oversharing can be as harmful as silence


What self-worth actually looks like in everyday interactions


And why being “easy to live with” might be one of the most underrated relationship skills of all


In a culture exhausted by busyness, confusion, and ideological extremes, this episode is a gentle reminder to measure what matters, speak honestly, and choose relationships that feel grounded, mutual, and kind.

friendship podcast
relationships podcast
honesty in relationships
self worth and friendship
clarity in dating
healthy friendships
one sided friendships
emotional boundaries
authentic relationships
modern dating]]>
                </itunes:summary>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:26:00</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[You’re Not Late — You’re Right on Time | A Friendship Podcast on Belonging & the Art of Friendship]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2025 02:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>What if the feeling of being “too late” isn’t truth—but conditioning?</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, a friendship podcast centered on the art of friendship, belonging, and human connection, we talk openly about the fear so many people carry: the belief that they’ve missed their moment.</p>
<p>From finances and careers to friendship, creativity, aging, parenting, and spirituality, we explore how American culture worships early success and quietly shames late bloomers. We unpack how systems, timelines, and social expectations create an artificial sense of scarcity—leaving people feeling out of the loop, behind, or counted out.</p>
<p>This conversation is a reminder that being “late” is often just another story we’ve been told—and one we’re allowed to question. You are not late. You are exactly where you need to be.</p>
<p><em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a friendship podcast dedicated to exploring the art of friendship, meaningful connection, and what it means to be human in today’s world. Each episode examines friendship in adulthood, building authentic relationships, navigating boundaries, belonging, communication, and personal growth.</em></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>Does our culture worship early success, shame late bloomers, and build artificial systems that tell us we’ve missed the cutoff—financially, creatively, socially, spiritually, and even as children? From careers and money to friendship, parenting, creativity, aging, and self-worth, this conversation gently dismantles the lie that timing determines value.</p>
<p>Together, they invite listeners to step out of the “line,” question the loop, and remember that odd ducks—the ones who don’t fit neatly—are often the ones who move the world forward.</p>
<p>If you’ve ever felt behind, out of place, or counted out, this episode is for you.</p>
<p>You are not late.<br />You are exactly where you need to be.</p>]]>
                                    </description>
                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[What if the feeling of being “too late” isn’t truth—but conditioning?
In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, a friendship podcast centered on the art of friendship, belonging, and human connection, we talk openly about the fear so many people carry: the belief that they’ve missed their moment.
From finances and careers to friendship, creativity, aging, parenting, and spirituality, we explore how American culture worships early success and quietly shames late bloomers. We unpack how systems, timelines, and social expectations create an artificial sense of scarcity—leaving people feeling out of the loop, behind, or counted out.
This conversation is a reminder that being “late” is often just another story we’ve been told—and one we’re allowed to question. You are not late. You are exactly where you need to be.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a friendship podcast dedicated to exploring the art of friendship, meaningful connection, and what it means to be human in today’s world. Each episode examines friendship in adulthood, building authentic relationships, navigating boundaries, belonging, communication, and personal growth.


Does our culture worship early success, shame late bloomers, and build artificial systems that tell us we’ve missed the cutoff—financially, creatively, socially, spiritually, and even as children? From careers and money to friendship, parenting, creativity, aging, and self-worth, this conversation gently dismantles the lie that timing determines value.
Together, they invite listeners to step out of the “line,” question the loop, and remember that odd ducks—the ones who don’t fit neatly—are often the ones who move the world forward.
If you’ve ever felt behind, out of place, or counted out, this episode is for you.
You are not late.You are exactly where you need to be.]]>
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                                    <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[You’re Not Late — You’re Right on Time | A Friendship Podcast on Belonging & the Art of Friendship]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>What if the feeling of being “too late” isn’t truth—but conditioning?</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, a friendship podcast centered on the art of friendship, belonging, and human connection, we talk openly about the fear so many people carry: the belief that they’ve missed their moment.</p>
<p>From finances and careers to friendship, creativity, aging, parenting, and spirituality, we explore how American culture worships early success and quietly shames late bloomers. We unpack how systems, timelines, and social expectations create an artificial sense of scarcity—leaving people feeling out of the loop, behind, or counted out.</p>
<p>This conversation is a reminder that being “late” is often just another story we’ve been told—and one we’re allowed to question. You are not late. You are exactly where you need to be.</p>
<p><em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a friendship podcast dedicated to exploring the art of friendship, meaningful connection, and what it means to be human in today’s world. Each episode examines friendship in adulthood, building authentic relationships, navigating boundaries, belonging, communication, and personal growth.</em></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>Does our culture worship early success, shame late bloomers, and build artificial systems that tell us we’ve missed the cutoff—financially, creatively, socially, spiritually, and even as children? From careers and money to friendship, parenting, creativity, aging, and self-worth, this conversation gently dismantles the lie that timing determines value.</p>
<p>Together, they invite listeners to step out of the “line,” question the loop, and remember that odd ducks—the ones who don’t fit neatly—are often the ones who move the world forward.</p>
<p>If you’ve ever felt behind, out of place, or counted out, this episode is for you.</p>
<p>You are not late.<br />You are exactly where you need to be.</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[What if the feeling of being “too late” isn’t truth—but conditioning?
In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, a friendship podcast centered on the art of friendship, belonging, and human connection, we talk openly about the fear so many people carry: the belief that they’ve missed their moment.
From finances and careers to friendship, creativity, aging, parenting, and spirituality, we explore how American culture worships early success and quietly shames late bloomers. We unpack how systems, timelines, and social expectations create an artificial sense of scarcity—leaving people feeling out of the loop, behind, or counted out.
This conversation is a reminder that being “late” is often just another story we’ve been told—and one we’re allowed to question. You are not late. You are exactly where you need to be.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a friendship podcast dedicated to exploring the art of friendship, meaningful connection, and what it means to be human in today’s world. Each episode examines friendship in adulthood, building authentic relationships, navigating boundaries, belonging, communication, and personal growth.


Does our culture worship early success, shame late bloomers, and build artificial systems that tell us we’ve missed the cutoff—financially, creatively, socially, spiritually, and even as children? From careers and money to friendship, parenting, creativity, aging, and self-worth, this conversation gently dismantles the lie that timing determines value.
Together, they invite listeners to step out of the “line,” question the loop, and remember that odd ducks—the ones who don’t fit neatly—are often the ones who move the world forward.
If you’ve ever felt behind, out of place, or counted out, this episode is for you.
You are not late.You are exactly where you need to be.]]>
                </itunes:summary>
                                    <itunes:image href="https://episodes.castos.com/5f36f6bebac289-67402395/images/2307333/c1a-8j1v-34m86vprixvo-4u2fdr.jpg"></itunes:image>
                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:13:36</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[We Have Contact: The Lost Language of Human Connection: Presence, Boundaries, and Nonverbal Communication]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2025 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this episode on the art of friendship,  Fawn and Matt explore…In a world that feels louder, faster, and more disconnected than ever, what does <em>real</em> connection actually look like?</p>
<p>Look at the attention, presence, and the often-unspoken language of human contact. From stepping away from fear-driven media to relearning how to simply sit, listen, and be with another person, they reflect on how distraction erodes intimacy—and how awareness restores it.</p>
<p>The conversation moves through touch and its many meanings: handshakes, fist bumps, shoulder taps, eye contact, and the deep cultural, emotional, and energetic messages carried in even the smallest gestures. They share personal stories—sometimes funny, sometimes uncomfortable, sometimes tender—about boundaries, vulnerability, and the longing to connect without words.</p>
<p>This episode is an invitation to slow down, become conscious, and remember that connection doesn’t require force—only presence.<br /><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.</p>
<p>Because before we change the world, we have to decide <em>how we enter the room</em>.</p>
<p>#OurFriendlyWorld<br />#ArtOfFriendship<br />#HumanConnection<br />#MeaningfulConversations<br />#ConsciousLiving</p>
<h3><br /><br /></h3>
<p>#Presence<br />#MindfulConnection<br />#NonverbalCommunication<br />#EmotionalIntelligence<br />#TouchAndBoundaries<br />#IntentionalLiving<br />#DeepListening<br />#EnergeticAwareness</p>
<h3><br /><br /></h3>
<p>#NervousSystem<br />#GroundingTechniques<br />#AnxietySupport<br />#ButterflyHug<br />#EmotionalWellbeing</p>
<h3><br /><br /></h3>
<p>#HumanBehavior<br />#SocialConnection<br />#ModernRelationships<br />#LonelinessAwareness<br />#HealingThroughConnection</p>
<p></p>]]>
                                    </description>
                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[In this episode on the art of friendship,  Fawn and Matt explore…In a world that feels louder, faster, and more disconnected than ever, what does real connection actually look like?
Look at the attention, presence, and the often-unspoken language of human contact. From stepping away from fear-driven media to relearning how to simply sit, listen, and be with another person, they reflect on how distraction erodes intimacy—and how awareness restores it.
The conversation moves through touch and its many meanings: handshakes, fist bumps, shoulder taps, eye contact, and the deep cultural, emotional, and energetic messages carried in even the smallest gestures. They share personal stories—sometimes funny, sometimes uncomfortable, sometimes tender—about boundaries, vulnerability, and the longing to connect without words.
This episode is an invitation to slow down, become conscious, and remember that connection doesn’t require force—only presence.Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.
Because before we change the world, we have to decide how we enter the room.
#OurFriendlyWorld#ArtOfFriendship#HumanConnection#MeaningfulConversations#ConsciousLiving

#Presence#MindfulConnection#NonverbalCommunication#EmotionalIntelligence#TouchAndBoundaries#IntentionalLiving#DeepListening#EnergeticAwareness

#NervousSystem#GroundingTechniques#AnxietySupport#ButterflyHug#EmotionalWellbeing

#HumanBehavior#SocialConnection#ModernRelationships#LonelinessAwareness#HealingThroughConnection
]]>
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                                    <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[We Have Contact: The Lost Language of Human Connection: Presence, Boundaries, and Nonverbal Communication]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode on the art of friendship,  Fawn and Matt explore…In a world that feels louder, faster, and more disconnected than ever, what does <em>real</em> connection actually look like?</p>
<p>Look at the attention, presence, and the often-unspoken language of human contact. From stepping away from fear-driven media to relearning how to simply sit, listen, and be with another person, they reflect on how distraction erodes intimacy—and how awareness restores it.</p>
<p>The conversation moves through touch and its many meanings: handshakes, fist bumps, shoulder taps, eye contact, and the deep cultural, emotional, and energetic messages carried in even the smallest gestures. They share personal stories—sometimes funny, sometimes uncomfortable, sometimes tender—about boundaries, vulnerability, and the longing to connect without words.</p>
<p>This episode is an invitation to slow down, become conscious, and remember that connection doesn’t require force—only presence.<br /><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.</p>
<p>Because before we change the world, we have to decide <em>how we enter the room</em>.</p>
<p>#OurFriendlyWorld<br />#ArtOfFriendship<br />#HumanConnection<br />#MeaningfulConversations<br />#ConsciousLiving</p>
<h3><br /><br /></h3>
<p>#Presence<br />#MindfulConnection<br />#NonverbalCommunication<br />#EmotionalIntelligence<br />#TouchAndBoundaries<br />#IntentionalLiving<br />#DeepListening<br />#EnergeticAwareness</p>
<h3><br /><br /></h3>
<p>#NervousSystem<br />#GroundingTechniques<br />#AnxietySupport<br />#ButterflyHug<br />#EmotionalWellbeing</p>
<h3><br /><br /></h3>
<p>#HumanBehavior<br />#SocialConnection<br />#ModernRelationships<br />#LonelinessAwareness<br />#HealingThroughConnection</p>
<p></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this episode on the art of friendship,  Fawn and Matt explore…In a world that feels louder, faster, and more disconnected than ever, what does real connection actually look like?
Look at the attention, presence, and the often-unspoken language of human contact. From stepping away from fear-driven media to relearning how to simply sit, listen, and be with another person, they reflect on how distraction erodes intimacy—and how awareness restores it.
The conversation moves through touch and its many meanings: handshakes, fist bumps, shoulder taps, eye contact, and the deep cultural, emotional, and energetic messages carried in even the smallest gestures. They share personal stories—sometimes funny, sometimes uncomfortable, sometimes tender—about boundaries, vulnerability, and the longing to connect without words.
This episode is an invitation to slow down, become conscious, and remember that connection doesn’t require force—only presence.Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.
Because before we change the world, we have to decide how we enter the room.
#OurFriendlyWorld#ArtOfFriendship#HumanConnection#MeaningfulConversations#ConsciousLiving

#Presence#MindfulConnection#NonverbalCommunication#EmotionalIntelligence#TouchAndBoundaries#IntentionalLiving#DeepListening#EnergeticAwareness

#NervousSystem#GroundingTechniques#AnxietySupport#ButterflyHug#EmotionalWellbeing

#HumanBehavior#SocialConnection#ModernRelationships#LonelinessAwareness#HealingThroughConnection
]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Public, Private, Secret: The Hidden Architecture of Friendship - What We Hide in Friendship]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2025 07:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of our friendship podcast, Fawn and Matt explore…What if friendship isn’t about being <em>fully open</em> with everyone—but about knowing <strong>what belongs where</strong>?</p>
<p>In this week’s episode of <em>Our Friendly World</em>, Fawn and Matt explore the idea that we each live <strong>three lives</strong>:<br />the <strong>public</strong>, the <strong>private</strong>, and the <strong>secret</strong>.</p>
<p>Together, they unpack:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>What we show the world versus what we reserve for close relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why boundaries aren’t walls—but sanctuaries</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How oversharing can blur lines and complicate friendships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why emotional honesty is often welcomed… but only the <em>positive</em> kind</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How age, experience, and discernment change the way we make friends</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>With humor, vulnerability, and real-life examples (including politeness-as-protection and secret chocolate stashes), this conversation gently reframes boundaries not as cold or calculating—but as essential for emotional health, creativity, and trust.</p>
<p>Whether you’ve ever felt misunderstood, “too much,” or unsure of how much of yourself to share, this episode invites you to rethink access, safety, and connection—and to honor the sacred space where growth begins.</p>
<h2><br /><br /></h2>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Public vs private vs secret selves</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Boundaries as emotional safety</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why work culture only welcomes “positive” emotions</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Friendship discernment as we grow</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Vulnerability without self-betrayal</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Protecting ideas, creativity, and inner life</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Aristotle’s three types of friendship (Nichomachean Ethics)</p>
</li>
</ul>
<h2><br /><br /></h2>
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<p>#OurFriendlyWorld<br />#FriendshipPodcast<br />#HealthyBoundaries<br />#EmotionalIntelligence<br />#AuthenticConnection<br />#PersonalGrowth<br />#VulnerabilityWithBoundaries<br />#FriendshipMatters<br />#InnerLife<br />#RelationalWisdom</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>We are not meant to be fully visible to everyone.<br />Some parts of us belong to the world.<br />Some belong to the people we trust.<br />And some need quiet—<br />a sacred space to grow before they are spoken.</p>
<p>This week on <em>Our Friendly World</em>,<br />we explore the <strong>public, the private, and the secret</strong>—<br />and why honoring each layer<br />might be the key to healthier friendships,<br />stronger boundaries,<br />and a more whole self.</p>
<p><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.</p>
<p>Listen with an open heart.</p>
<p>“Boundaries aren’t walls. They’re sanctuaries.”</p>
<p>“As we get older, we don’t make fewer friends—we make more discerning ones.”</p>
<p>“There’s nothing wrong with having a public face, a private circle, and a sacred inner space.”</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this episode of our friendship podcast, Fawn and Matt explore…What if friendship isn’t about being fully open with everyone—but about knowing what belongs where?
In this week’s episode of Our Friendly World, Fawn and Matt explore the idea that we each live three lives:the public, the private, and the secret.
Together, they unpack:


What we show the world versus what we reserve for close relationships


Why boundaries aren’t walls—but sanctuaries


How oversharing can blur lines and complicate friendships


Why emotional honesty is often welcomed… but only the positive kind


How age, experience, and discernment change the way we make friends


With humor, vulnerability, and real-life examples (including politeness-as-protection and secret chocolate stashes), this conversation gently reframes boundaries not as cold or calculating—but as essential for emotional health, creativity, and trust.
Whether you’ve ever felt misunderstood, “too much,” or unsure of how much of yourself to share, this episode invites you to rethink access, safety, and connection—and to honor the sacred space where growth begins.



Public vs private vs secret selves


Boundaries as emotional safety


Why work culture only welcomes “positive” emotions


Friendship discernment as we grow


Vulnerability without self-betrayal


Protecting ideas, creativity, and inner life


Aristotle’s three types of friendship (Nichomachean Ethics)



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#OurFriendlyWorld#FriendshipPodcast#HealthyBoundaries#EmotionalIntelligence#AuthenticConnection#PersonalGrowth#VulnerabilityWithBoundaries#FriendshipMatters#InnerLife#RelationalWisdom


We are not meant to be fully visible to everyone.Some parts of us belong to the world.Some belong to the people we trust.And some need quiet—a sacred space to grow before they are spoken.
This week on Our Friendly World,we explore the public, the private, and the secret—and why honoring each layermight be the key to healthier friendships,stronger boundaries,and a more whole self.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.
Listen with an open heart.
“Boundaries aren’t walls. They’re sanctuaries.”
“As we get older, we don’t make fewer friends—we make more discerning ones.”
“There’s nothing wrong with having a public face, a private circle, and a sacred inner space.”]]>
                </itunes:subtitle>
                                    <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[Public, Private, Secret: The Hidden Architecture of Friendship - What We Hide in Friendship]]>
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                <content:encoded>
                    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of our friendship podcast, Fawn and Matt explore…What if friendship isn’t about being <em>fully open</em> with everyone—but about knowing <strong>what belongs where</strong>?</p>
<p>In this week’s episode of <em>Our Friendly World</em>, Fawn and Matt explore the idea that we each live <strong>three lives</strong>:<br />the <strong>public</strong>, the <strong>private</strong>, and the <strong>secret</strong>.</p>
<p>Together, they unpack:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>What we show the world versus what we reserve for close relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why boundaries aren’t walls—but sanctuaries</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How oversharing can blur lines and complicate friendships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why emotional honesty is often welcomed… but only the <em>positive</em> kind</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How age, experience, and discernment change the way we make friends</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>With humor, vulnerability, and real-life examples (including politeness-as-protection and secret chocolate stashes), this conversation gently reframes boundaries not as cold or calculating—but as essential for emotional health, creativity, and trust.</p>
<p>Whether you’ve ever felt misunderstood, “too much,” or unsure of how much of yourself to share, this episode invites you to rethink access, safety, and connection—and to honor the sacred space where growth begins.</p>
<h2><br /><br /></h2>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Public vs private vs secret selves</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Boundaries as emotional safety</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why work culture only welcomes “positive” emotions</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Friendship discernment as we grow</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Vulnerability without self-betrayal</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Protecting ideas, creativity, and inner life</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Aristotle’s three types of friendship (Nichomachean Ethics)</p>
</li>
</ul>
<h2><br /><br /></h2>
<p>public vs private life<br />friendship boundaries<br />emotional boundaries<br />oversharing in relationships<br />authenticity and boundaries<br />healthy friendships<br />emotional safety<br />self disclosure<br />personal boundaries<br />types of friendship</p>
<p>#OurFriendlyWorld<br />#FriendshipPodcast<br />#HealthyBoundaries<br />#EmotionalIntelligence<br />#AuthenticConnection<br />#PersonalGrowth<br />#VulnerabilityWithBoundaries<br />#FriendshipMatters<br />#InnerLife<br />#RelationalWisdom</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>We are not meant to be fully visible to everyone.<br />Some parts of us belong to the world.<br />Some belong to the people we trust.<br />And some need quiet—<br />a sacred space to grow before they are spoken.</p>
<p>This week on <em>Our Friendly World</em>,<br />we explore the <strong>public, the private, and the secret</strong>—<br />and why honoring each layer<br />might be the key to healthier friendships,<br />stronger boundaries,<br />and a more whole self.</p>
<p><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.</p>
<p>Listen with an open heart.</p>
<p>“Boundaries aren’t walls. They’re sanctuaries.”</p>
<p>“As we get older, we don’t make fewer friends—we make more discerning ones.”</p>
<p>“There’s nothing wrong with having a public face, a private circle, and a sacred inner space.”</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this episode of our friendship podcast, Fawn and Matt explore…What if friendship isn’t about being fully open with everyone—but about knowing what belongs where?
In this week’s episode of Our Friendly World, Fawn and Matt explore the idea that we each live three lives:the public, the private, and the secret.
Together, they unpack:


What we show the world versus what we reserve for close relationships


Why boundaries aren’t walls—but sanctuaries


How oversharing can blur lines and complicate friendships


Why emotional honesty is often welcomed… but only the positive kind


How age, experience, and discernment change the way we make friends


With humor, vulnerability, and real-life examples (including politeness-as-protection and secret chocolate stashes), this conversation gently reframes boundaries not as cold or calculating—but as essential for emotional health, creativity, and trust.
Whether you’ve ever felt misunderstood, “too much,” or unsure of how much of yourself to share, this episode invites you to rethink access, safety, and connection—and to honor the sacred space where growth begins.



Public vs private vs secret selves


Boundaries as emotional safety


Why work culture only welcomes “positive” emotions


Friendship discernment as we grow


Vulnerability without self-betrayal


Protecting ideas, creativity, and inner life


Aristotle’s three types of friendship (Nichomachean Ethics)



public vs private lifefriendship boundariesemotional boundariesoversharing in relationshipsauthenticity and boundarieshealthy friendshipsemotional safetyself disclosurepersonal boundariestypes of friendship
#OurFriendlyWorld#FriendshipPodcast#HealthyBoundaries#EmotionalIntelligence#AuthenticConnection#PersonalGrowth#VulnerabilityWithBoundaries#FriendshipMatters#InnerLife#RelationalWisdom


We are not meant to be fully visible to everyone.Some parts of us belong to the world.Some belong to the people we trust.And some need quiet—a sacred space to grow before they are spoken.
This week on Our Friendly World,we explore the public, the private, and the secret—and why honoring each layermight be the key to healthier friendships,stronger boundaries,and a more whole self.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.
Listen with an open heart.
“Boundaries aren’t walls. They’re sanctuaries.”
“As we get older, we don’t make fewer friends—we make more discerning ones.”
“There’s nothing wrong with having a public face, a private circle, and a sacred inner space.”]]>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:24:38</itunes:duration>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                <title>
                    <![CDATA[“The Two Lenses That Shape Every Relationship”]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2025 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><strong>In this episode of our friendship podcast, Fawn and Matt explore… two powerful forces that shape every relationship: </strong><em>perception</em><strong> and </strong><em>perspective</em><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>Perception is the world as <em>you</em> experience it — your sensations, your emotions, your history, your inner story. It's how you move through life as the center of your own universe. But everyone around you is doing the exact same thing.</p>
<p>Perspective, on the other hand, invites you to step outside yourself — to see someone else’s physical reality, emotional state, limitations, needs, and experiences.</p>
<p>Using everyday examples (like why the salt jar is “invisible” to someone who’s 6'4", or why a too-high shelf can feel like betrayal), Fawn and Matt unpack how easily misunderstandings happen when we assume others see what we see or feel what we feel.</p>
<p>Fawn shares Horst Rechelbacher’s insight about how every person hears the same words differently based on their life history. Matt discusses his intuitive approach to understanding people, and why empathy can sometimes be overwhelming. Together they explore how shifting into true perspective — without assumptions, without psychic overload — can create more compassion, deeper connection, and more harmonious friendships.</p>
<p><strong>This episode is a gentle reminder that sometimes love looks like noticing someone’s height, their tiredness, their discomfort in a chair… and caring enough to respond.</strong></p>
<p><strong>In this episode:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>What <em>perception</em> truly means and how it colors every moment</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why people can hear the same words completely differently</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The difference between emotional intuition and objective observation</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How to step into someone else’s real-world perspective</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why small details (like reaching shelves or seeing countertops) matter in relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The primal human need to feel cared for and understood</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The “good host” approach: noticing someone’s environment and needs</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How perspective-taking strengthens friendships and prevents conflict</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Takeaway:</strong><br />Understanding someone else isn’t magic. It’s awareness in motion — noticing, caring, and choosing connection.</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>perception vs perspective</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>understanding relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>emotional awareness</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>empathy in friendships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>miscommunication in relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how to deepen connection</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>perspective-taking examples</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>seeing from someone else’s point of view</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>communication in marriage</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>friendship podcast</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how perception shapes reality</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>compassion in everyday life</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>#PerceptionVsPerspective<br />#RelationshipWisdom<br />#FriendshipPodcast<br />#EmpathyMatters<br />#CommunicationSkills<br />#EmotionalIntelligence<br />#SeeEachOtherClearly<br />#UnderstandingPeople<br />#HumanConnection<br />#PerspectiveShift<br />#ConnectionMatters<br />#DeepListening<br />#CompassionInAction<br />#EverydayEmpathy<br />#OurFriendlyWorldPodcast<br />#FawnAndMatt<br />#MindfulRelationships<br />#AwarenessPractice<br />#BetterTogether<br />#FriendshipMatters</p>
<p><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.</p>]]>
                                    </description>
                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[In this episode of our friendship podcast, Fawn and Matt explore… two powerful forces that shape every relationship: perception and perspective.
Perception is the world as you experience it — your sensations, your emotions, your history, your inner story. It's how you move through life as the center of your own universe. But everyone around you is doing the exact same thing.
Perspective, on the other hand, invites you to step outside yourself — to see someone else’s physical reality, emotional state, limitations, needs, and experiences.
Using everyday examples (like why the salt jar is “invisible” to someone who’s 6'4", or why a too-high shelf can feel like betrayal), Fawn and Matt unpack how easily misunderstandings happen when we assume others see what we see or feel what we feel.
Fawn shares Horst Rechelbacher’s insight about how every person hears the same words differently based on their life history. Matt discusses his intuitive approach to understanding people, and why empathy can sometimes be overwhelming. Together they explore how shifting into true perspective — without assumptions, without psychic overload — can create more compassion, deeper connection, and more harmonious friendships.
This episode is a gentle reminder that sometimes love looks like noticing someone’s height, their tiredness, their discomfort in a chair… and caring enough to respond.
In this episode:


What perception truly means and how it colors every moment


Why people can hear the same words completely differently


The difference between emotional intuition and objective observation


How to step into someone else’s real-world perspective


Why small details (like reaching shelves or seeing countertops) matter in relationships


The primal human need to feel cared for and understood


The “good host” approach: noticing someone’s environment and needs


How perspective-taking strengthens friendships and prevents conflict


Takeaway:Understanding someone else isn’t magic. It’s awareness in motion — noticing, caring, and choosing connection.


perception vs perspective


understanding relationships


emotional awareness


empathy in friendships


miscommunication in relationships


how to deepen connection


perspective-taking examples


seeing from someone else’s point of view


communication in marriage


friendship podcast


Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt


how perception shapes reality


compassion in everyday life


#PerceptionVsPerspective#RelationshipWisdom#FriendshipPodcast#EmpathyMatters#CommunicationSkills#EmotionalIntelligence#SeeEachOtherClearly#UnderstandingPeople#HumanConnection#PerspectiveShift#ConnectionMatters#DeepListening#CompassionInAction#EverydayEmpathy#OurFriendlyWorldPodcast#FawnAndMatt#MindfulRelationships#AwarenessPractice#BetterTogether#FriendshipMatters
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.]]>
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                    <![CDATA[“The Two Lenses That Shape Every Relationship”]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><strong>In this episode of our friendship podcast, Fawn and Matt explore… two powerful forces that shape every relationship: </strong><em>perception</em><strong> and </strong><em>perspective</em><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>Perception is the world as <em>you</em> experience it — your sensations, your emotions, your history, your inner story. It's how you move through life as the center of your own universe. But everyone around you is doing the exact same thing.</p>
<p>Perspective, on the other hand, invites you to step outside yourself — to see someone else’s physical reality, emotional state, limitations, needs, and experiences.</p>
<p>Using everyday examples (like why the salt jar is “invisible” to someone who’s 6'4", or why a too-high shelf can feel like betrayal), Fawn and Matt unpack how easily misunderstandings happen when we assume others see what we see or feel what we feel.</p>
<p>Fawn shares Horst Rechelbacher’s insight about how every person hears the same words differently based on their life history. Matt discusses his intuitive approach to understanding people, and why empathy can sometimes be overwhelming. Together they explore how shifting into true perspective — without assumptions, without psychic overload — can create more compassion, deeper connection, and more harmonious friendships.</p>
<p><strong>This episode is a gentle reminder that sometimes love looks like noticing someone’s height, their tiredness, their discomfort in a chair… and caring enough to respond.</strong></p>
<p><strong>In this episode:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>What <em>perception</em> truly means and how it colors every moment</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why people can hear the same words completely differently</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The difference between emotional intuition and objective observation</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How to step into someone else’s real-world perspective</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why small details (like reaching shelves or seeing countertops) matter in relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The primal human need to feel cared for and understood</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The “good host” approach: noticing someone’s environment and needs</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How perspective-taking strengthens friendships and prevents conflict</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Takeaway:</strong><br />Understanding someone else isn’t magic. It’s awareness in motion — noticing, caring, and choosing connection.</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>perception vs perspective</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>understanding relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>emotional awareness</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>empathy in friendships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>miscommunication in relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how to deepen connection</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>perspective-taking examples</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>seeing from someone else’s point of view</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>communication in marriage</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>friendship podcast</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how perception shapes reality</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>compassion in everyday life</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>#PerceptionVsPerspective<br />#RelationshipWisdom<br />#FriendshipPodcast<br />#EmpathyMatters<br />#CommunicationSkills<br />#EmotionalIntelligence<br />#SeeEachOtherClearly<br />#UnderstandingPeople<br />#HumanConnection<br />#PerspectiveShift<br />#ConnectionMatters<br />#DeepListening<br />#CompassionInAction<br />#EverydayEmpathy<br />#OurFriendlyWorldPodcast<br />#FawnAndMatt<br />#MindfulRelationships<br />#AwarenessPractice<br />#BetterTogether<br />#FriendshipMatters</p>
<p><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.</p>]]>
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                                <itunes:summary>
                    <![CDATA[In this episode of our friendship podcast, Fawn and Matt explore… two powerful forces that shape every relationship: perception and perspective.
Perception is the world as you experience it — your sensations, your emotions, your history, your inner story. It's how you move through life as the center of your own universe. But everyone around you is doing the exact same thing.
Perspective, on the other hand, invites you to step outside yourself — to see someone else’s physical reality, emotional state, limitations, needs, and experiences.
Using everyday examples (like why the salt jar is “invisible” to someone who’s 6'4", or why a too-high shelf can feel like betrayal), Fawn and Matt unpack how easily misunderstandings happen when we assume others see what we see or feel what we feel.
Fawn shares Horst Rechelbacher’s insight about how every person hears the same words differently based on their life history. Matt discusses his intuitive approach to understanding people, and why empathy can sometimes be overwhelming. Together they explore how shifting into true perspective — without assumptions, without psychic overload — can create more compassion, deeper connection, and more harmonious friendships.
This episode is a gentle reminder that sometimes love looks like noticing someone’s height, their tiredness, their discomfort in a chair… and caring enough to respond.
In this episode:


What perception truly means and how it colors every moment


Why people can hear the same words completely differently


The difference between emotional intuition and objective observation


How to step into someone else’s real-world perspective


Why small details (like reaching shelves or seeing countertops) matter in relationships


The primal human need to feel cared for and understood


The “good host” approach: noticing someone’s environment and needs


How perspective-taking strengthens friendships and prevents conflict


Takeaway:Understanding someone else isn’t magic. It’s awareness in motion — noticing, caring, and choosing connection.


perception vs perspective


understanding relationships


emotional awareness


empathy in friendships


miscommunication in relationships


how to deepen connection


perspective-taking examples


seeing from someone else’s point of view


communication in marriage


friendship podcast


Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt


how perception shapes reality


compassion in everyday life


#PerceptionVsPerspective#RelationshipWisdom#FriendshipPodcast#EmpathyMatters#CommunicationSkills#EmotionalIntelligence#SeeEachOtherClearly#UnderstandingPeople#HumanConnection#PerspectiveShift#ConnectionMatters#DeepListening#CompassionInAction#EverydayEmpathy#OurFriendlyWorldPodcast#FawnAndMatt#MindfulRelationships#AwarenessPractice#BetterTogether#FriendshipMatters
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.]]>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:12:24</itunes:duration>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[“The Brain Filter That Shapes Your World — and Your Friendships” Brain Reticular Activation: How Your Mind Shapes Your Relationships]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2025 03:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this week’s episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we take a deep dive into the surprising ways your brain filters your world — and how those filters shape your connections, your confidence, and your friendships.</p>
<p>Matt shares a rabbit-hole revelation about the reticular activating system — the part of the brain that constantly searches for evidence to prove you <em>right</em>. Whether you believe your day will be terrible or beautiful, your brain goes to work collecting proof. Whether you feel successful or like you're “not there yet,” your brain will reflect those beliefs right back at you.</p>
<p>Fawn opens up about a recent conversation that highlighted how harsh self-talk can cloud our perception of ourselves and others. Together, Fawn and Matt explore how emotional exhaustion, repeated disappointment, and loneliness can make us believe “people suck” — and how the brain eagerly confirms that worldview unless we consciously shift our focus.</p>
<p>The conversation moves into the heart of friendship:<br />How do we reconnect when we feel hurt?<br />How do we stay open when our brains keep showing us reasons to shut down?<br />And how can we “clean our mental palate,” reset our expectations, and invite good people into our lives again?</p>
<p>This episode is a reminder that while the brain tries to prove us right, <em>we</em> get to choose the story it tells. With small shifts in attention, curiosity, and self-compassion, we can re-open the door to connection — and let our brains start finding the friends we’re hoping for.</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>reticular activating system friendship</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>brain confirmation bias relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how thoughts shape friendships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>emotional resilience and connection</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>overcoming friendship hurt</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>negative self-talk and relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>rewiring the brain for positivity</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>loneliness and human connection</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how to find good friends</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>friendship podcast</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>mindset and relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>reset your mindset</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>healing from disappointment</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how thoughts shape reality</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>#FriendshipPodcast<br />#BrainScience<br />#ReticularActivatingSystem<br />#MindsetShift<br />#ConfirmationBias<br />#EmotionalHealing<br />#ChangeYourThoughts<br />#ConnectionMatters<br />#HealingJourney<br />#OurFriendlyWorld<br />#FawnAndMatt<br />#RelationshipWisdom<br />#LonelinessSolutions<br />#PositiveMindset</p>
<p>#HumanConnection<br />#SelfWorth<br />#ThoughtWork<br />#NeuroscienceDaily<br />#PersonalGrowthJourney<br />#BoundariesAndBalance<br />#SeeTheGood<br />#MindBodySpirit<br />#NewEpisodeAlert<br />#PodcastCommunity</p>
<h1>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.<br /><br /></h1>
<p>Your brain is always trying to prove you right — but what are you telling it to look for?</p>
<p>In this week’s episode, we explore how the reticular activating system filters your world, shapes your relationships, and even reinforces the belief that “people suck” when you’re hurt or lonely.<br />But with small shifts in focus, you can train your brain to see the good again — and open the door to genuine friendship.</p>
<p><em>Listen now on Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt.</em></p>
<h1><br /><br /></h1>
<p>Your brain is constantly collecting evidence to support your beliefs — good or bad. This episode explores how the reticular activating system shapes your reality, your relationships, and your ability to trust after hurt.<br />Learn how to reset your mind, shift your focus, and let your brain start finding the good people again.</p>
<h1><br /><br /></h1>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this week’s episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, we take a deep dive into the surprising ways your brain filters your world — and how those filters shape your connections, your confidence, and your friendships.
Matt shares a rabbit-hole revelation about the reticular activating system — the part of the brain that constantly searches for evidence to prove you right. Whether you believe your day will be terrible or beautiful, your brain goes to work collecting proof. Whether you feel successful or like you're “not there yet,” your brain will reflect those beliefs right back at you.
Fawn opens up about a recent conversation that highlighted how harsh self-talk can cloud our perception of ourselves and others. Together, Fawn and Matt explore how emotional exhaustion, repeated disappointment, and loneliness can make us believe “people suck” — and how the brain eagerly confirms that worldview unless we consciously shift our focus.
The conversation moves into the heart of friendship:How do we reconnect when we feel hurt?How do we stay open when our brains keep showing us reasons to shut down?And how can we “clean our mental palate,” reset our expectations, and invite good people into our lives again?
This episode is a reminder that while the brain tries to prove us right, we get to choose the story it tells. With small shifts in attention, curiosity, and self-compassion, we can re-open the door to connection — and let our brains start finding the friends we’re hoping for.


reticular activating system friendship


brain confirmation bias relationships


how thoughts shape friendships


emotional resilience and connection


overcoming friendship hurt


negative self-talk and relationships


rewiring the brain for positivity


loneliness and human connection


how to find good friends


friendship podcast


Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt


mindset and relationships


reset your mindset


healing from disappointment


how thoughts shape reality


#FriendshipPodcast#BrainScience#ReticularActivatingSystem#MindsetShift#ConfirmationBias#EmotionalHealing#ChangeYourThoughts#ConnectionMatters#HealingJourney#OurFriendlyWorld#FawnAndMatt#RelationshipWisdom#LonelinessSolutions#PositiveMindset
#HumanConnection#SelfWorth#ThoughtWork#NeuroscienceDaily#PersonalGrowthJourney#BoundariesAndBalance#SeeTheGood#MindBodySpirit#NewEpisodeAlert#PodcastCommunity
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.
Your brain is always trying to prove you right — but what are you telling it to look for?
In this week’s episode, we explore how the reticular activating system filters your world, shapes your relationships, and even reinforces the belief that “people suck” when you’re hurt or lonely.But with small shifts in focus, you can train your brain to see the good again — and open the door to genuine friendship.
Listen now on Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt.

Your brain is constantly collecting evidence to support your beliefs — good or bad. This episode explores how the reticular activating system shapes your reality, your relationships, and your ability to trust after hurt.Learn how to reset your mind, shift your focus, and let your brain start finding the good people again.
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                    <![CDATA[<p>In this week’s episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we take a deep dive into the surprising ways your brain filters your world — and how those filters shape your connections, your confidence, and your friendships.</p>
<p>Matt shares a rabbit-hole revelation about the reticular activating system — the part of the brain that constantly searches for evidence to prove you <em>right</em>. Whether you believe your day will be terrible or beautiful, your brain goes to work collecting proof. Whether you feel successful or like you're “not there yet,” your brain will reflect those beliefs right back at you.</p>
<p>Fawn opens up about a recent conversation that highlighted how harsh self-talk can cloud our perception of ourselves and others. Together, Fawn and Matt explore how emotional exhaustion, repeated disappointment, and loneliness can make us believe “people suck” — and how the brain eagerly confirms that worldview unless we consciously shift our focus.</p>
<p>The conversation moves into the heart of friendship:<br />How do we reconnect when we feel hurt?<br />How do we stay open when our brains keep showing us reasons to shut down?<br />And how can we “clean our mental palate,” reset our expectations, and invite good people into our lives again?</p>
<p>This episode is a reminder that while the brain tries to prove us right, <em>we</em> get to choose the story it tells. With small shifts in attention, curiosity, and self-compassion, we can re-open the door to connection — and let our brains start finding the friends we’re hoping for.</p>
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<li>
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</li>
<li>
<p>brain confirmation bias relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how thoughts shape friendships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>emotional resilience and connection</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>overcoming friendship hurt</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>negative self-talk and relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>rewiring the brain for positivity</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>loneliness and human connection</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how to find good friends</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>friendship podcast</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</p>
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<p>mindset and relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>reset your mindset</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>healing from disappointment</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how thoughts shape reality</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>#FriendshipPodcast<br />#BrainScience<br />#ReticularActivatingSystem<br />#MindsetShift<br />#ConfirmationBias<br />#EmotionalHealing<br />#ChangeYourThoughts<br />#ConnectionMatters<br />#HealingJourney<br />#OurFriendlyWorld<br />#FawnAndMatt<br />#RelationshipWisdom<br />#LonelinessSolutions<br />#PositiveMindset</p>
<p>#HumanConnection<br />#SelfWorth<br />#ThoughtWork<br />#NeuroscienceDaily<br />#PersonalGrowthJourney<br />#BoundariesAndBalance<br />#SeeTheGood<br />#MindBodySpirit<br />#NewEpisodeAlert<br />#PodcastCommunity</p>
<h1>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.<br /><br /></h1>
<p>Your brain is always trying to prove you right — but what are you telling it to look for?</p>
<p>In this week’s episode, we explore how the reticular activating system filters your world, shapes your relationships, and even reinforces the belief that “people suck” when you’re hurt or lonely.<br />But with small shifts in focus, you can train your brain to see the good again — and open the door to genuine friendship.</p>
<p><em>Listen now on Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt.</em></p>
<h1><br /><br /></h1>
<p>Your brain is constantly collecting evidence to support your beliefs — good or bad. This episode explores how the reticular activating system shapes your reality, your relationships, and your ability to trust after hurt.<br />Learn how to reset your mind, shift your focus, and let your brain start finding the good people again.</p>
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                    <![CDATA[In this week’s episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, we take a deep dive into the surprising ways your brain filters your world — and how those filters shape your connections, your confidence, and your friendships.
Matt shares a rabbit-hole revelation about the reticular activating system — the part of the brain that constantly searches for evidence to prove you right. Whether you believe your day will be terrible or beautiful, your brain goes to work collecting proof. Whether you feel successful or like you're “not there yet,” your brain will reflect those beliefs right back at you.
Fawn opens up about a recent conversation that highlighted how harsh self-talk can cloud our perception of ourselves and others. Together, Fawn and Matt explore how emotional exhaustion, repeated disappointment, and loneliness can make us believe “people suck” — and how the brain eagerly confirms that worldview unless we consciously shift our focus.
The conversation moves into the heart of friendship:How do we reconnect when we feel hurt?How do we stay open when our brains keep showing us reasons to shut down?And how can we “clean our mental palate,” reset our expectations, and invite good people into our lives again?
This episode is a reminder that while the brain tries to prove us right, we get to choose the story it tells. With small shifts in attention, curiosity, and self-compassion, we can re-open the door to connection — and let our brains start finding the friends we’re hoping for.


reticular activating system friendship


brain confirmation bias relationships


how thoughts shape friendships


emotional resilience and connection


overcoming friendship hurt


negative self-talk and relationships


rewiring the brain for positivity


loneliness and human connection


how to find good friends


friendship podcast


Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt


mindset and relationships


reset your mindset


healing from disappointment


how thoughts shape reality


#FriendshipPodcast#BrainScience#ReticularActivatingSystem#MindsetShift#ConfirmationBias#EmotionalHealing#ChangeYourThoughts#ConnectionMatters#HealingJourney#OurFriendlyWorld#FawnAndMatt#RelationshipWisdom#LonelinessSolutions#PositiveMindset
#HumanConnection#SelfWorth#ThoughtWork#NeuroscienceDaily#PersonalGrowthJourney#BoundariesAndBalance#SeeTheGood#MindBodySpirit#NewEpisodeAlert#PodcastCommunity
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.
Your brain is always trying to prove you right — but what are you telling it to look for?
In this week’s episode, we explore how the reticular activating system filters your world, shapes your relationships, and even reinforces the belief that “people suck” when you’re hurt or lonely.But with small shifts in focus, you can train your brain to see the good again — and open the door to genuine friendship.
Listen now on Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt.

Your brain is constantly collecting evidence to support your beliefs — good or bad. This episode explores how the reticular activating system shapes your reality, your relationships, and your ability to trust after hurt.Learn how to reset your mind, shift your focus, and let your brain start finding the good people again.
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                    <![CDATA[Connected in Ways We Can’t See: Synchronicity, Trust, and the Web of Us]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2025 03:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this week’s episode, Fawn and Matt follow an unexpected thread of synchronicity. that unravels into something deeper—a reminder that life is held together by invisible connections. What starts as an inconvenient blunder, becomes a cascade of seemingly unrelated moments that line up <em>too perfectly</em> to be coincidence.</p>
<p>Fawn and Matt explore how trust shows up in everyday life: the trust to follow a nudge, the trust to not react, and the trust to believe that the world is quietly working in our favor.</p>
<p>They share a story that reveals how interconnected we truly are—how we are each part of a web so vast and intricate that every so often, life gives us a glimpse of the pattern. These moments of alignment remind us that we’re guided, supported, and never as alone as we sometimes feel.</p>
<p>Let's slow down, listen to the whispers of intuition, and recognize the invisible hands and hearts that make life’s path gently fall into place.</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>synchronicity stories</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>trusting your intuition</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>interconnectedness</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>invisible connections in life</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>signs from the universe</p>
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<li>
<p>following intuition</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how everything is connected</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>everyday spirituality</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>friendship and trust</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>podcast about intuition</p>
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<li>
<p>mystical life experiences</p>
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<li>
<p>listening to your inner voice</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>meaningful coincidences</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>spiritual alignment</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>universal connection</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>trust in relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>guided experiences</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>recognizing signs in daily life</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><br />#SynchronicityStories #InterconnectedLives #InvisibleWebOfLife #TrustingTheSigns #EverydayMysticism #UniversalConnection #IntuitionLed #MeaningfulCoincidences<br />#TrustTheProcess #Synchronicity #Intuition #SpiritualJourney #Connectedness #LifeAlignment #ListenWithin #GuidedLiving #FriendshipPodcast</p>
<p><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this week’s episode, Fawn and Matt follow an unexpected thread of synchronicity. that unravels into something deeper—a reminder that life is held together by invisible connections. What starts as an inconvenient blunder, becomes a cascade of seemingly unrelated moments that line up too perfectly to be coincidence.
Fawn and Matt explore how trust shows up in everyday life: the trust to follow a nudge, the trust to not react, and the trust to believe that the world is quietly working in our favor.
They share a story that reveals how interconnected we truly are—how we are each part of a web so vast and intricate that every so often, life gives us a glimpse of the pattern. These moments of alignment remind us that we’re guided, supported, and never as alone as we sometimes feel.
Let's slow down, listen to the whispers of intuition, and recognize the invisible hands and hearts that make life’s path gently fall into place.


synchronicity stories


trusting your intuition


interconnectedness


invisible connections in life


signs from the universe


following intuition


how everything is connected


everyday spirituality


friendship and trust


podcast about intuition


mystical life experiences


listening to your inner voice


meaningful coincidences


spiritual alignment


universal connection


trust in relationships


guided experiences


recognizing signs in daily life


#SynchronicityStories #InterconnectedLives #InvisibleWebOfLife #TrustingTheSigns #EverydayMysticism #UniversalConnection #IntuitionLed #MeaningfulCoincidences#TrustTheProcess #Synchronicity #Intuition #SpiritualJourney #Connectedness #LifeAlignment #ListenWithin #GuidedLiving #FriendshipPodcast
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>In this week’s episode, Fawn and Matt follow an unexpected thread of synchronicity. that unravels into something deeper—a reminder that life is held together by invisible connections. What starts as an inconvenient blunder, becomes a cascade of seemingly unrelated moments that line up <em>too perfectly</em> to be coincidence.</p>
<p>Fawn and Matt explore how trust shows up in everyday life: the trust to follow a nudge, the trust to not react, and the trust to believe that the world is quietly working in our favor.</p>
<p>They share a story that reveals how interconnected we truly are—how we are each part of a web so vast and intricate that every so often, life gives us a glimpse of the pattern. These moments of alignment remind us that we’re guided, supported, and never as alone as we sometimes feel.</p>
<p>Let's slow down, listen to the whispers of intuition, and recognize the invisible hands and hearts that make life’s path gently fall into place.</p>
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<li>
<p>synchronicity stories</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>trusting your intuition</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>interconnectedness</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>invisible connections in life</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>signs from the universe</p>
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<li>
<p>following intuition</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how everything is connected</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>everyday spirituality</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>friendship and trust</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>podcast about intuition</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>mystical life experiences</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>listening to your inner voice</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>meaningful coincidences</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>spiritual alignment</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>universal connection</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>trust in relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>guided experiences</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>recognizing signs in daily life</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><br />#SynchronicityStories #InterconnectedLives #InvisibleWebOfLife #TrustingTheSigns #EverydayMysticism #UniversalConnection #IntuitionLed #MeaningfulCoincidences<br />#TrustTheProcess #Synchronicity #Intuition #SpiritualJourney #Connectedness #LifeAlignment #ListenWithin #GuidedLiving #FriendshipPodcast</p>
<p><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this week’s episode, Fawn and Matt follow an unexpected thread of synchronicity. that unravels into something deeper—a reminder that life is held together by invisible connections. What starts as an inconvenient blunder, becomes a cascade of seemingly unrelated moments that line up too perfectly to be coincidence.
Fawn and Matt explore how trust shows up in everyday life: the trust to follow a nudge, the trust to not react, and the trust to believe that the world is quietly working in our favor.
They share a story that reveals how interconnected we truly are—how we are each part of a web so vast and intricate that every so often, life gives us a glimpse of the pattern. These moments of alignment remind us that we’re guided, supported, and never as alone as we sometimes feel.
Let's slow down, listen to the whispers of intuition, and recognize the invisible hands and hearts that make life’s path gently fall into place.


synchronicity stories


trusting your intuition


interconnectedness


invisible connections in life


signs from the universe


following intuition


how everything is connected


everyday spirituality


friendship and trust


podcast about intuition


mystical life experiences


listening to your inner voice


meaningful coincidences


spiritual alignment


universal connection


trust in relationships


guided experiences


recognizing signs in daily life


#SynchronicityStories #InterconnectedLives #InvisibleWebOfLife #TrustingTheSigns #EverydayMysticism #UniversalConnection #IntuitionLed #MeaningfulCoincidences#TrustTheProcess #Synchronicity #Intuition #SpiritualJourney #Connectedness #LifeAlignment #ListenWithin #GuidedLiving #FriendshipPodcast
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[“The Hidden Art of Starting Over in Friendships: Trust, Change & Grounding Through Life’s Transitions”]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2025 08:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                    https://permalink.castos.com/podcast/11391/episode/2221816</guid>
                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/the-hidden-art-of-starting-over-trust-change-grounding-through-lifes-transitions</link>
                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>Fawn and Matt explore the universal, often invisible truth: <strong>we are all starting over—constantly.</strong> Whether it’s a shift in seasons, work, health, relationships, identity, or simply the quiet transitions inside our emotional world, change is always happening in micro and macro forms.</p>
<p>Fawn opens up about the exhaustion, fear, and uneasiness that come with uncertainty, sharing the story of how losing her spark—and gradually reclaiming it—taught her the quiet magic of beginning again. Matt brings in grounding wisdom through intention, posture, and awareness, showing how even the way we walk reflects our energy in the world.</p>
<p>Together, they discuss:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Why seasonal and life transitions feel so destabilizing</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How the body is <em>always</em> in flux (and what that teaches us about resilience)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The importance of grounding during major life changes</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How friendships evolve—and what happens when we assume people stay the same</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Navigating uncomfortable emotions, road-rage encounters, and spiritual overwhelm</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The secret power of trust when everything feels uncertain</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Through stories, humor, and honesty, this episode becomes a guide for anyone who feels like they’re floating between steps—between who they were and who they’re becoming.<br />A reminder that starting over isn’t a failure; it’s a natural rhythm of life.<br />And that in the midst of uncertainty, <strong>trust</strong> might be the most transformative friend we have.</p>
<p>This episode explores the emotional and spiritual landscape of starting over—again and again. Fawn and Matt talk about transitions, exhaustion, grounding, friendship, fear, and the hidden magic of trusting the process. A comforting, uplifting conversation for anyone navigating change or feeling unsteady on their path.</p>
<p>starting over podcast<br />life transitions<br />emotional healing<br />grounding techniques<br />friendship and change<br />how to trust the process<br />anxiety during life changes<br />personal growth stories<br />reinvention and resilience<br />seasonal depression support<br />energy grounding<br />how to start again in life<br />coping with uncertainty</p>
<p>#StartingOver<br />#LifeTransitions<br />#TrustTheProcess<br />#EmotionalHealing<br />#Grounding<br />#Reinvention<br />#FriendshipMatters<br />#ChangeIsHard<br />#InnerStrength<br />#SpiritualGrowth<br />#AnxietySupport<br />#NewBeginnings<br />#FluxAndFlow<br />#PersonalGrowthJourney<br />#OurFriendlyWorld</p>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn and Matt explore the universal, often invisible truth: we are all starting over—constantly. Whether it’s a shift in seasons, work, health, relationships, identity, or simply the quiet transitions inside our emotional world, change is always happening in micro and macro forms.
Fawn opens up about the exhaustion, fear, and uneasiness that come with uncertainty, sharing the story of how losing her spark—and gradually reclaiming it—taught her the quiet magic of beginning again. Matt brings in grounding wisdom through intention, posture, and awareness, showing how even the way we walk reflects our energy in the world.
Together, they discuss:


Why seasonal and life transitions feel so destabilizing


How the body is always in flux (and what that teaches us about resilience)


The importance of grounding during major life changes


How friendships evolve—and what happens when we assume people stay the same


Navigating uncomfortable emotions, road-rage encounters, and spiritual overwhelm


The secret power of trust when everything feels uncertain


Through stories, humor, and honesty, this episode becomes a guide for anyone who feels like they’re floating between steps—between who they were and who they’re becoming.A reminder that starting over isn’t a failure; it’s a natural rhythm of life.And that in the midst of uncertainty, trust might be the most transformative friend we have.
This episode explores the emotional and spiritual landscape of starting over—again and again. Fawn and Matt talk about transitions, exhaustion, grounding, friendship, fear, and the hidden magic of trusting the process. A comforting, uplifting conversation for anyone navigating change or feeling unsteady on their path.
starting over podcastlife transitionsemotional healinggrounding techniquesfriendship and changehow to trust the processanxiety during life changespersonal growth storiesreinvention and resilienceseasonal depression supportenergy groundinghow to start again in lifecoping with uncertainty
#StartingOver#LifeTransitions#TrustTheProcess#EmotionalHealing#Grounding#Reinvention#FriendshipMatters#ChangeIsHard#InnerStrength#SpiritualGrowth#AnxietySupport#NewBeginnings#FluxAndFlow#PersonalGrowthJourney#OurFriendlyWorld
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.]]>
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                    <![CDATA[“The Hidden Art of Starting Over in Friendships: Trust, Change & Grounding Through Life’s Transitions”]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>Fawn and Matt explore the universal, often invisible truth: <strong>we are all starting over—constantly.</strong> Whether it’s a shift in seasons, work, health, relationships, identity, or simply the quiet transitions inside our emotional world, change is always happening in micro and macro forms.</p>
<p>Fawn opens up about the exhaustion, fear, and uneasiness that come with uncertainty, sharing the story of how losing her spark—and gradually reclaiming it—taught her the quiet magic of beginning again. Matt brings in grounding wisdom through intention, posture, and awareness, showing how even the way we walk reflects our energy in the world.</p>
<p>Together, they discuss:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Why seasonal and life transitions feel so destabilizing</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How the body is <em>always</em> in flux (and what that teaches us about resilience)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The importance of grounding during major life changes</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How friendships evolve—and what happens when we assume people stay the same</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Navigating uncomfortable emotions, road-rage encounters, and spiritual overwhelm</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The secret power of trust when everything feels uncertain</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Through stories, humor, and honesty, this episode becomes a guide for anyone who feels like they’re floating between steps—between who they were and who they’re becoming.<br />A reminder that starting over isn’t a failure; it’s a natural rhythm of life.<br />And that in the midst of uncertainty, <strong>trust</strong> might be the most transformative friend we have.</p>
<p>This episode explores the emotional and spiritual landscape of starting over—again and again. Fawn and Matt talk about transitions, exhaustion, grounding, friendship, fear, and the hidden magic of trusting the process. A comforting, uplifting conversation for anyone navigating change or feeling unsteady on their path.</p>
<p>starting over podcast<br />life transitions<br />emotional healing<br />grounding techniques<br />friendship and change<br />how to trust the process<br />anxiety during life changes<br />personal growth stories<br />reinvention and resilience<br />seasonal depression support<br />energy grounding<br />how to start again in life<br />coping with uncertainty</p>
<p>#StartingOver<br />#LifeTransitions<br />#TrustTheProcess<br />#EmotionalHealing<br />#Grounding<br />#Reinvention<br />#FriendshipMatters<br />#ChangeIsHard<br />#InnerStrength<br />#SpiritualGrowth<br />#AnxietySupport<br />#NewBeginnings<br />#FluxAndFlow<br />#PersonalGrowthJourney<br />#OurFriendlyWorld</p>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn and Matt explore the universal, often invisible truth: we are all starting over—constantly. Whether it’s a shift in seasons, work, health, relationships, identity, or simply the quiet transitions inside our emotional world, change is always happening in micro and macro forms.
Fawn opens up about the exhaustion, fear, and uneasiness that come with uncertainty, sharing the story of how losing her spark—and gradually reclaiming it—taught her the quiet magic of beginning again. Matt brings in grounding wisdom through intention, posture, and awareness, showing how even the way we walk reflects our energy in the world.
Together, they discuss:


Why seasonal and life transitions feel so destabilizing


How the body is always in flux (and what that teaches us about resilience)


The importance of grounding during major life changes


How friendships evolve—and what happens when we assume people stay the same


Navigating uncomfortable emotions, road-rage encounters, and spiritual overwhelm


The secret power of trust when everything feels uncertain


Through stories, humor, and honesty, this episode becomes a guide for anyone who feels like they’re floating between steps—between who they were and who they’re becoming.A reminder that starting over isn’t a failure; it’s a natural rhythm of life.And that in the midst of uncertainty, trust might be the most transformative friend we have.
This episode explores the emotional and spiritual landscape of starting over—again and again. Fawn and Matt talk about transitions, exhaustion, grounding, friendship, fear, and the hidden magic of trusting the process. A comforting, uplifting conversation for anyone navigating change or feeling unsteady on their path.
starting over podcastlife transitionsemotional healinggrounding techniquesfriendship and changehow to trust the processanxiety during life changespersonal growth storiesreinvention and resilienceseasonal depression supportenergy groundinghow to start again in lifecoping with uncertainty
#StartingOver#LifeTransitions#TrustTheProcess#EmotionalHealing#Grounding#Reinvention#FriendshipMatters#ChangeIsHard#InnerStrength#SpiritualGrowth#AnxietySupport#NewBeginnings#FluxAndFlow#PersonalGrowthJourney#OurFriendlyWorld
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.]]>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:24:38</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <item>
                <title>
                    <![CDATA[“The Invisible Beauty: Quiet Support and Unseen Effort in Friendship”]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2025 05:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we explore the quiet beauty of things that work so seamlessly we hardly notice them at all. Whether in technology, weddings, artistry, or the friendships that sustain our lives, the best support often goes unseen.</p>
<p>Fawn and Matt reflect on how a "good user interface" can be a metaphor for the relationships that nourish us—where no one dominates, and no one needs to perform.</p>
<p>They share personal stories from their wedding, voice acting, photography, martial arts, and everyday life to highlight how subtlety, presence, and shared seeing shape true connection. This episode invites you to honor the people who show up quietly, the ones who don’t ask for attention, and the times when we learn to ask for support so we can see more clearly together.</p>
<p>This is an episode about appreciation, humility, partnership, and the magic of simply being present.</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>friendship dynamics, invisible support, emotional growth, authentic relationships, voice acting insight, art of being present, quiet strength, subtle kindness, companionship, true connection, mental clarity in community, appreciating others, finding your people, personal growth in relationships</p>
<p>#OurFriendlyWorld #FriendshipPodcast #InvisibleSupport #QuietStrength #SubtleKindness #HealthyRelationships #BeThereForEachOther #EmotionalGrowth #FindingYourPeople #ConnectionMatters #PresenceOverPerformance #GentlePower #HumanConnection #TheArtOfFriendship</p>
<p></p>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.</p>]]>
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                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[In this episode, we explore the quiet beauty of things that work so seamlessly we hardly notice them at all. Whether in technology, weddings, artistry, or the friendships that sustain our lives, the best support often goes unseen.
Fawn and Matt reflect on how a "good user interface" can be a metaphor for the relationships that nourish us—where no one dominates, and no one needs to perform.
They share personal stories from their wedding, voice acting, photography, martial arts, and everyday life to highlight how subtlety, presence, and shared seeing shape true connection. This episode invites you to honor the people who show up quietly, the ones who don’t ask for attention, and the times when we learn to ask for support so we can see more clearly together.
This is an episode about appreciation, humility, partnership, and the magic of simply being present.

friendship dynamics, invisible support, emotional growth, authentic relationships, voice acting insight, art of being present, quiet strength, subtle kindness, companionship, true connection, mental clarity in community, appreciating others, finding your people, personal growth in relationships
#OurFriendlyWorld #FriendshipPodcast #InvisibleSupport #QuietStrength #SubtleKindness #HealthyRelationships #BeThereForEachOther #EmotionalGrowth #FindingYourPeople #ConnectionMatters #PresenceOverPerformance #GentlePower #HumanConnection #TheArtOfFriendship

Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.]]>
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                    <![CDATA[“The Invisible Beauty: Quiet Support and Unseen Effort in Friendship”]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we explore the quiet beauty of things that work so seamlessly we hardly notice them at all. Whether in technology, weddings, artistry, or the friendships that sustain our lives, the best support often goes unseen.</p>
<p>Fawn and Matt reflect on how a "good user interface" can be a metaphor for the relationships that nourish us—where no one dominates, and no one needs to perform.</p>
<p>They share personal stories from their wedding, voice acting, photography, martial arts, and everyday life to highlight how subtlety, presence, and shared seeing shape true connection. This episode invites you to honor the people who show up quietly, the ones who don’t ask for attention, and the times when we learn to ask for support so we can see more clearly together.</p>
<p>This is an episode about appreciation, humility, partnership, and the magic of simply being present.</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>friendship dynamics, invisible support, emotional growth, authentic relationships, voice acting insight, art of being present, quiet strength, subtle kindness, companionship, true connection, mental clarity in community, appreciating others, finding your people, personal growth in relationships</p>
<p>#OurFriendlyWorld #FriendshipPodcast #InvisibleSupport #QuietStrength #SubtleKindness #HealthyRelationships #BeThereForEachOther #EmotionalGrowth #FindingYourPeople #ConnectionMatters #PresenceOverPerformance #GentlePower #HumanConnection #TheArtOfFriendship</p>
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<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this episode, we explore the quiet beauty of things that work so seamlessly we hardly notice them at all. Whether in technology, weddings, artistry, or the friendships that sustain our lives, the best support often goes unseen.
Fawn and Matt reflect on how a "good user interface" can be a metaphor for the relationships that nourish us—where no one dominates, and no one needs to perform.
They share personal stories from their wedding, voice acting, photography, martial arts, and everyday life to highlight how subtlety, presence, and shared seeing shape true connection. This episode invites you to honor the people who show up quietly, the ones who don’t ask for attention, and the times when we learn to ask for support so we can see more clearly together.
This is an episode about appreciation, humility, partnership, and the magic of simply being present.

friendship dynamics, invisible support, emotional growth, authentic relationships, voice acting insight, art of being present, quiet strength, subtle kindness, companionship, true connection, mental clarity in community, appreciating others, finding your people, personal growth in relationships
#OurFriendlyWorld #FriendshipPodcast #InvisibleSupport #QuietStrength #SubtleKindness #HealthyRelationships #BeThereForEachOther #EmotionalGrowth #FindingYourPeople #ConnectionMatters #PresenceOverPerformance #GentlePower #HumanConnection #TheArtOfFriendship

Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.]]>
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                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                <title>
                    <![CDATA[“Be Interesting, Be Interested: The Art of Real Connection Within Friendships”]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2025 04:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, the conversation revisits one of their favorite topics — <strong>“Be interested, not interesting”</strong> — and takes it a step further. What happens when curiosity crosses the line into gossip? How do we find that sweet spot between being genuinely curious about others and also sharing enough of ourselves to form real, balanced relationships?</p>
<p>Through laughter and reflection, Fawn and Matt explore the world of nosy neighbors, awkward soundchecks, and the universal discomfort of hearing our own voices (and seeing our own images). Together, they uncover how relationships begin to thrive when both sides bring something meaningful to the table — when we’re <strong>interested enough to listen deeply</strong>, and <strong>interesting enough to keep growing</strong>.</p>
<p>A reminder: true connection isn’t one-sided — it’s a living, breathing exchange of curiosity, honesty, and shared humanity.<br /><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.</p>
<h3><strong>Key Themes &amp; Takeaways</strong></h3>
<ul>
<li>
<p>The difference between <em>being curious</em> and <em>being nosy</em></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why being interesting matters just as much as being interested</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How relationships lose spark when one side stops growing</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The value of showing up authentically — even when it’s uncomfortable</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How to have meaningful conversations that nourish connection</p>
</li>
</ul>
<h3> </h3>
<p>friendship podcast, real connection, being interesting, be interested, not interesting, authentic communication, gossip vs curiosity, how to deepen relationships, meaningful conversation, Fawn and Matt podcast, Our Friendly World</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>#BeInterestingBeInterested<br />#AuthenticConversations<br />#CuriosityAndConnection<br />#RealRelationships<br />#BeyondSmallTalk<br />#ListenAndBeHeard<br />#GenuineConnection</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, the conversation revisits one of their favorite topics — “Be interested, not interesting” — and takes it a step further. What happens when curiosity crosses the line into gossip? How do we find that sweet spot between being genuinely curious about others and also sharing enough of ourselves to form real, balanced relationships?
Through laughter and reflection, Fawn and Matt explore the world of nosy neighbors, awkward soundchecks, and the universal discomfort of hearing our own voices (and seeing our own images). Together, they uncover how relationships begin to thrive when both sides bring something meaningful to the table — when we’re interested enough to listen deeply, and interesting enough to keep growing.
A reminder: true connection isn’t one-sided — it’s a living, breathing exchange of curiosity, honesty, and shared humanity.Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.
Key Themes & Takeaways


The difference between being curious and being nosy


Why being interesting matters just as much as being interested


How relationships lose spark when one side stops growing


The value of showing up authentically — even when it’s uncomfortable


How to have meaningful conversations that nourish connection


 
friendship podcast, real connection, being interesting, be interested, not interesting, authentic communication, gossip vs curiosity, how to deepen relationships, meaningful conversation, Fawn and Matt podcast, Our Friendly World

#BeInterestingBeInterested#AuthenticConversations#CuriosityAndConnection#RealRelationships#BeyondSmallTalk#ListenAndBeHeard#GenuineConnection]]>
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                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[“Be Interesting, Be Interested: The Art of Real Connection Within Friendships”]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, the conversation revisits one of their favorite topics — <strong>“Be interested, not interesting”</strong> — and takes it a step further. What happens when curiosity crosses the line into gossip? How do we find that sweet spot between being genuinely curious about others and also sharing enough of ourselves to form real, balanced relationships?</p>
<p>Through laughter and reflection, Fawn and Matt explore the world of nosy neighbors, awkward soundchecks, and the universal discomfort of hearing our own voices (and seeing our own images). Together, they uncover how relationships begin to thrive when both sides bring something meaningful to the table — when we’re <strong>interested enough to listen deeply</strong>, and <strong>interesting enough to keep growing</strong>.</p>
<p>A reminder: true connection isn’t one-sided — it’s a living, breathing exchange of curiosity, honesty, and shared humanity.<br /><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.</p>
<h3><strong>Key Themes &amp; Takeaways</strong></h3>
<ul>
<li>
<p>The difference between <em>being curious</em> and <em>being nosy</em></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why being interesting matters just as much as being interested</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How relationships lose spark when one side stops growing</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The value of showing up authentically — even when it’s uncomfortable</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How to have meaningful conversations that nourish connection</p>
</li>
</ul>
<h3> </h3>
<p>friendship podcast, real connection, being interesting, be interested, not interesting, authentic communication, gossip vs curiosity, how to deepen relationships, meaningful conversation, Fawn and Matt podcast, Our Friendly World</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>#BeInterestingBeInterested<br />#AuthenticConversations<br />#CuriosityAndConnection<br />#RealRelationships<br />#BeyondSmallTalk<br />#ListenAndBeHeard<br />#GenuineConnection</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, the conversation revisits one of their favorite topics — “Be interested, not interesting” — and takes it a step further. What happens when curiosity crosses the line into gossip? How do we find that sweet spot between being genuinely curious about others and also sharing enough of ourselves to form real, balanced relationships?
Through laughter and reflection, Fawn and Matt explore the world of nosy neighbors, awkward soundchecks, and the universal discomfort of hearing our own voices (and seeing our own images). Together, they uncover how relationships begin to thrive when both sides bring something meaningful to the table — when we’re interested enough to listen deeply, and interesting enough to keep growing.
A reminder: true connection isn’t one-sided — it’s a living, breathing exchange of curiosity, honesty, and shared humanity.Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.
Key Themes & Takeaways


The difference between being curious and being nosy


Why being interesting matters just as much as being interested


How relationships lose spark when one side stops growing


The value of showing up authentically — even when it’s uncomfortable


How to have meaningful conversations that nourish connection


 
friendship podcast, real connection, being interesting, be interested, not interesting, authentic communication, gossip vs curiosity, how to deepen relationships, meaningful conversation, Fawn and Matt podcast, Our Friendly World

#BeInterestingBeInterested#AuthenticConversations#CuriosityAndConnection#RealRelationships#BeyondSmallTalk#ListenAndBeHeard#GenuineConnection]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                <title>
                    <![CDATA[Collective Mind & Community: Navigating Fear, Connection, and Public Spaces within Friendships]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2025 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                    https://permalink.castos.com/podcast/11391/episode/2172459</guid>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>What influences the way we think — as a society, as neighbors, as humans?</p>
<p>This week, Fawn and Matt go deep into <strong>collective consciousness</strong> and the emotional shifts happening in our communities today. From joyful moments like hearing a musician transform a parking lot into an oasis of connection… to fear-driven responses like calling police on harmless creativity… this conversation explores the widening divide between people sharing the same space.</p>
<p>Topics include:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>How community dynamics influence what we fear (and who)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why our nervous systems respond instantly to headlines and algorithms</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Public spaces, safety, and why creative expression is under threat</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How to create connection when local trust erodes</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Global friendships as a lifeline and perspective check</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Practical ways to <strong>reclaim agency</strong> and <strong>restore belonging</strong></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>This episode reminds us that even when systems feel overwhelming, <strong>connection is still possible</strong> — and necessary.</p>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>00:00 — Welcome + “spice for my footy” family joke<br />01:45 — How do we hold space for others when community feels fractured?<br />03:20 — Not trusting neighbors and social anxiety in public environments<br />04:00 — A moment of unexpected beauty: street musician + bossa nova magic<br />06:00 — Police intervention: fear replaces connection<br />08:00 — What can (or can’t) we do when we witness injustice?<br />10:30 — Civil disobedience, responsibility, and risk today<br />12:20 — How news algorithms weaponize stress and perception<br />16:00 — When technology shapes our chemistry and worldview<br />17:30 — The breakdown of neighborhood trust + HOA culture<br />18:50 — Expanding your community globally<br />19:55 — Taking care of mental, physical, and spiritual wellbeing<br />21:00 — Closing reminders: Be deliberate. Stay connected.</p>]]>
                                    </description>
                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[What influences the way we think — as a society, as neighbors, as humans?
This week, Fawn and Matt go deep into collective consciousness and the emotional shifts happening in our communities today. From joyful moments like hearing a musician transform a parking lot into an oasis of connection… to fear-driven responses like calling police on harmless creativity… this conversation explores the widening divide between people sharing the same space.
Topics include:


How community dynamics influence what we fear (and who)


Why our nervous systems respond instantly to headlines and algorithms


Public spaces, safety, and why creative expression is under threat


How to create connection when local trust erodes


Global friendships as a lifeline and perspective check


Practical ways to reclaim agency and restore belonging


This episode reminds us that even when systems feel overwhelming, connection is still possible — and necessary.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.

00:00 — Welcome + “spice for my footy” family joke01:45 — How do we hold space for others when community feels fractured?03:20 — Not trusting neighbors and social anxiety in public environments04:00 — A moment of unexpected beauty: street musician + bossa nova magic06:00 — Police intervention: fear replaces connection08:00 — What can (or can’t) we do when we witness injustice?10:30 — Civil disobedience, responsibility, and risk today12:20 — How news algorithms weaponize stress and perception16:00 — When technology shapes our chemistry and worldview17:30 — The breakdown of neighborhood trust + HOA culture18:50 — Expanding your community globally19:55 — Taking care of mental, physical, and spiritual wellbeing21:00 — Closing reminders: Be deliberate. Stay connected.]]>
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                                    <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[Collective Mind & Community: Navigating Fear, Connection, and Public Spaces within Friendships]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>What influences the way we think — as a society, as neighbors, as humans?</p>
<p>This week, Fawn and Matt go deep into <strong>collective consciousness</strong> and the emotional shifts happening in our communities today. From joyful moments like hearing a musician transform a parking lot into an oasis of connection… to fear-driven responses like calling police on harmless creativity… this conversation explores the widening divide between people sharing the same space.</p>
<p>Topics include:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>How community dynamics influence what we fear (and who)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why our nervous systems respond instantly to headlines and algorithms</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Public spaces, safety, and why creative expression is under threat</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How to create connection when local trust erodes</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Global friendships as a lifeline and perspective check</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Practical ways to <strong>reclaim agency</strong> and <strong>restore belonging</strong></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>This episode reminds us that even when systems feel overwhelming, <strong>connection is still possible</strong> — and necessary.</p>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>00:00 — Welcome + “spice for my footy” family joke<br />01:45 — How do we hold space for others when community feels fractured?<br />03:20 — Not trusting neighbors and social anxiety in public environments<br />04:00 — A moment of unexpected beauty: street musician + bossa nova magic<br />06:00 — Police intervention: fear replaces connection<br />08:00 — What can (or can’t) we do when we witness injustice?<br />10:30 — Civil disobedience, responsibility, and risk today<br />12:20 — How news algorithms weaponize stress and perception<br />16:00 — When technology shapes our chemistry and worldview<br />17:30 — The breakdown of neighborhood trust + HOA culture<br />18:50 — Expanding your community globally<br />19:55 — Taking care of mental, physical, and spiritual wellbeing<br />21:00 — Closing reminders: Be deliberate. Stay connected.</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[What influences the way we think — as a society, as neighbors, as humans?
This week, Fawn and Matt go deep into collective consciousness and the emotional shifts happening in our communities today. From joyful moments like hearing a musician transform a parking lot into an oasis of connection… to fear-driven responses like calling police on harmless creativity… this conversation explores the widening divide between people sharing the same space.
Topics include:


How community dynamics influence what we fear (and who)


Why our nervous systems respond instantly to headlines and algorithms


Public spaces, safety, and why creative expression is under threat


How to create connection when local trust erodes


Global friendships as a lifeline and perspective check


Practical ways to reclaim agency and restore belonging


This episode reminds us that even when systems feel overwhelming, connection is still possible — and necessary.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.

00:00 — Welcome + “spice for my footy” family joke01:45 — How do we hold space for others when community feels fractured?03:20 — Not trusting neighbors and social anxiety in public environments04:00 — A moment of unexpected beauty: street musician + bossa nova magic06:00 — Police intervention: fear replaces connection08:00 — What can (or can’t) we do when we witness injustice?10:30 — Civil disobedience, responsibility, and risk today12:20 — How news algorithms weaponize stress and perception16:00 — When technology shapes our chemistry and worldview17:30 — The breakdown of neighborhood trust + HOA culture18:50 — Expanding your community globally19:55 — Taking care of mental, physical, and spiritual wellbeing21:00 — Closing reminders: Be deliberate. Stay connected.]]>
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                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                <title>
                    <![CDATA[“Protective Identity Culture: How Fear, Fashion, and Friendship Reflect a Society on Guard”]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2025 05:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
                <guid isPermaLink="true">
                    https://permalink.castos.com/podcast/11391/episode/2168345</guid>
                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/protective-identity-culture-how-fear-fashion-and-friendship-reflect-a-society-on-guard</link>
                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt (a podcast on THE ART OF FRIENDSHIP)</em>, we explore how our modern culture of protection is shaping the way we live, dress, and connect. From armored fashion trends and massive SUVs to emotional walls and social tribes, Fawn and Matt unpack what it means to live in a world where everyone seems to be bracing for battle.</p>
<p>Why do we crave belonging yet fear vulnerability? How does our need for safety influence not just our choices—but our friendships, our art, and our sense of identity? Together, Fawn and Matt invite us to look deeper at how “protective identity” shows up in our everyday lives and what it takes to stay open-hearted in an age of self-defense.</p>
<p>A conversation filled with honesty, cultural insight, and gentle humor—reminding us that awareness, curiosity, and kindness are the strongest forms of protection we have.<br /><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.</p>
<p>protective identity, emotional armor, modern friendship, fear culture, social connection, belonging and identity, vulnerability, emotional resilience, cultural commentary podcast, friendship podcast, Our Friendly World, Fawn and Matt, societal trends, protective fashion, fear and community, friendship and trust</p>
<p>#OurFriendlyWorld #FawnAndMatt #FriendshipPodcast #ProtectiveIdentity #ModernCulture #FearAndBelonging #EmotionalArmor #Vulnerability #HumanConnection #SocietyAndCulture #Authenticity #KindnessMatters #EmotionalResilience #ConsciousLiving #CulturalTrends #ConnectionOverFear #FriendshipMatters</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt (a podcast on THE ART OF FRIENDSHIP), we explore how our modern culture of protection is shaping the way we live, dress, and connect. From armored fashion trends and massive SUVs to emotional walls and social tribes, Fawn and Matt unpack what it means to live in a world where everyone seems to be bracing for battle.
Why do we crave belonging yet fear vulnerability? How does our need for safety influence not just our choices—but our friendships, our art, and our sense of identity? Together, Fawn and Matt invite us to look deeper at how “protective identity” shows up in our everyday lives and what it takes to stay open-hearted in an age of self-defense.
A conversation filled with honesty, cultural insight, and gentle humor—reminding us that awareness, curiosity, and kindness are the strongest forms of protection we have.Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.
protective identity, emotional armor, modern friendship, fear culture, social connection, belonging and identity, vulnerability, emotional resilience, cultural commentary podcast, friendship podcast, Our Friendly World, Fawn and Matt, societal trends, protective fashion, fear and community, friendship and trust
#OurFriendlyWorld #FawnAndMatt #FriendshipPodcast #ProtectiveIdentity #ModernCulture #FearAndBelonging #EmotionalArmor #Vulnerability #HumanConnection #SocietyAndCulture #Authenticity #KindnessMatters #EmotionalResilience #ConsciousLiving #CulturalTrends #ConnectionOverFear #FriendshipMatters]]>
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                                    <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[“Protective Identity Culture: How Fear, Fashion, and Friendship Reflect a Society on Guard”]]>
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                                                <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
                <content:encoded>
                    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt (a podcast on THE ART OF FRIENDSHIP)</em>, we explore how our modern culture of protection is shaping the way we live, dress, and connect. From armored fashion trends and massive SUVs to emotional walls and social tribes, Fawn and Matt unpack what it means to live in a world where everyone seems to be bracing for battle.</p>
<p>Why do we crave belonging yet fear vulnerability? How does our need for safety influence not just our choices—but our friendships, our art, and our sense of identity? Together, Fawn and Matt invite us to look deeper at how “protective identity” shows up in our everyday lives and what it takes to stay open-hearted in an age of self-defense.</p>
<p>A conversation filled with honesty, cultural insight, and gentle humor—reminding us that awareness, curiosity, and kindness are the strongest forms of protection we have.<br /><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.</p>
<p>protective identity, emotional armor, modern friendship, fear culture, social connection, belonging and identity, vulnerability, emotional resilience, cultural commentary podcast, friendship podcast, Our Friendly World, Fawn and Matt, societal trends, protective fashion, fear and community, friendship and trust</p>
<p>#OurFriendlyWorld #FawnAndMatt #FriendshipPodcast #ProtectiveIdentity #ModernCulture #FearAndBelonging #EmotionalArmor #Vulnerability #HumanConnection #SocietyAndCulture #Authenticity #KindnessMatters #EmotionalResilience #ConsciousLiving #CulturalTrends #ConnectionOverFear #FriendshipMatters</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt (a podcast on THE ART OF FRIENDSHIP), we explore how our modern culture of protection is shaping the way we live, dress, and connect. From armored fashion trends and massive SUVs to emotional walls and social tribes, Fawn and Matt unpack what it means to live in a world where everyone seems to be bracing for battle.
Why do we crave belonging yet fear vulnerability? How does our need for safety influence not just our choices—but our friendships, our art, and our sense of identity? Together, Fawn and Matt invite us to look deeper at how “protective identity” shows up in our everyday lives and what it takes to stay open-hearted in an age of self-defense.
A conversation filled with honesty, cultural insight, and gentle humor—reminding us that awareness, curiosity, and kindness are the strongest forms of protection we have.Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.
protective identity, emotional armor, modern friendship, fear culture, social connection, belonging and identity, vulnerability, emotional resilience, cultural commentary podcast, friendship podcast, Our Friendly World, Fawn and Matt, societal trends, protective fashion, fear and community, friendship and trust
#OurFriendlyWorld #FawnAndMatt #FriendshipPodcast #ProtectiveIdentity #ModernCulture #FearAndBelonging #EmotionalArmor #Vulnerability #HumanConnection #SocietyAndCulture #Authenticity #KindnessMatters #EmotionalResilience #ConsciousLiving #CulturalTrends #ConnectionOverFear #FriendshipMatters]]>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:23:02</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[What Limits Growth in Friendship: Letting Go of Labels to Nurture Authentic Connection]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2025 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/what-limits-growth-in-friendship-letting-go-of-labels-to-nurture-authentic-connection</link>
                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we explore how labeling someone’s “favorite” things—music, food, even colors—can quietly freeze them in time. Fawn shares how not knowing Matt’s favorite band sparked a deeper reflection on what it means to truly <em>see</em> someone as they are today, not who they once were. Together, they uncover how holding on to fixed ideas of people can stunt growth, create emotional distance, and even end friendships.</p>
<p></p>
<p>From changing tastes in music to shifting perspectives on life and love, this conversation dives into how embracing change keeps relationships alive, flexible, and sustainable. The episode reminds us that real friendship is about presence, curiosity, and allowing others to evolve—without holding them to the past.</p>
<p><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.</p>
<p><strong>Key Themes:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>The illusion of “favorites” and how they anchor people in the past</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How change sustains long-term friendship and love</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The beauty of curiosity and allowing others to evolve</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The difference between flexible perception and protective boundaries</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Letting go of labels to nurture authentic connection</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p> </p>
<p>friendship growth, sustainable relationships, how to keep relationships healthy, emotional intelligence in friendship, evolving relationships, letting go of labels, flexibility in relationships, embracing change, understanding friends, mindful friendship</p>
<p><br />#OurFriendlyWorld #FawnAndMatt #FriendshipPodcast #SustainableRelationships #EmotionalIntelligence #PersonalGrowth #EmbraceChange #MindfulConnection #LetPeopleEvolve #AuthenticFriendship</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, we explore how labeling someone’s “favorite” things—music, food, even colors—can quietly freeze them in time. Fawn shares how not knowing Matt’s favorite band sparked a deeper reflection on what it means to truly see someone as they are today, not who they once were. Together, they uncover how holding on to fixed ideas of people can stunt growth, create emotional distance, and even end friendships.

From changing tastes in music to shifting perspectives on life and love, this conversation dives into how embracing change keeps relationships alive, flexible, and sustainable. The episode reminds us that real friendship is about presence, curiosity, and allowing others to evolve—without holding them to the past.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.
Key Themes:


The illusion of “favorites” and how they anchor people in the past


How change sustains long-term friendship and love


The beauty of curiosity and allowing others to evolve


The difference between flexible perception and protective boundaries


Letting go of labels to nurture authentic connection


 
friendship growth, sustainable relationships, how to keep relationships healthy, emotional intelligence in friendship, evolving relationships, letting go of labels, flexibility in relationships, embracing change, understanding friends, mindful friendship
#OurFriendlyWorld #FawnAndMatt #FriendshipPodcast #SustainableRelationships #EmotionalIntelligence #PersonalGrowth #EmbraceChange #MindfulConnection #LetPeopleEvolve #AuthenticFriendship
]]>
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                                    <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[What Limits Growth in Friendship: Letting Go of Labels to Nurture Authentic Connection]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we explore how labeling someone’s “favorite” things—music, food, even colors—can quietly freeze them in time. Fawn shares how not knowing Matt’s favorite band sparked a deeper reflection on what it means to truly <em>see</em> someone as they are today, not who they once were. Together, they uncover how holding on to fixed ideas of people can stunt growth, create emotional distance, and even end friendships.</p>
<p></p>
<p>From changing tastes in music to shifting perspectives on life and love, this conversation dives into how embracing change keeps relationships alive, flexible, and sustainable. The episode reminds us that real friendship is about presence, curiosity, and allowing others to evolve—without holding them to the past.</p>
<p><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.</p>
<p><strong>Key Themes:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>The illusion of “favorites” and how they anchor people in the past</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How change sustains long-term friendship and love</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The beauty of curiosity and allowing others to evolve</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The difference between flexible perception and protective boundaries</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Letting go of labels to nurture authentic connection</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p> </p>
<p>friendship growth, sustainable relationships, how to keep relationships healthy, emotional intelligence in friendship, evolving relationships, letting go of labels, flexibility in relationships, embracing change, understanding friends, mindful friendship</p>
<p><br />#OurFriendlyWorld #FawnAndMatt #FriendshipPodcast #SustainableRelationships #EmotionalIntelligence #PersonalGrowth #EmbraceChange #MindfulConnection #LetPeopleEvolve #AuthenticFriendship</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, we explore how labeling someone’s “favorite” things—music, food, even colors—can quietly freeze them in time. Fawn shares how not knowing Matt’s favorite band sparked a deeper reflection on what it means to truly see someone as they are today, not who they once were. Together, they uncover how holding on to fixed ideas of people can stunt growth, create emotional distance, and even end friendships.

From changing tastes in music to shifting perspectives on life and love, this conversation dives into how embracing change keeps relationships alive, flexible, and sustainable. The episode reminds us that real friendship is about presence, curiosity, and allowing others to evolve—without holding them to the past.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.
Key Themes:


The illusion of “favorites” and how they anchor people in the past


How change sustains long-term friendship and love


The beauty of curiosity and allowing others to evolve


The difference between flexible perception and protective boundaries


Letting go of labels to nurture authentic connection


 
friendship growth, sustainable relationships, how to keep relationships healthy, emotional intelligence in friendship, evolving relationships, letting go of labels, flexibility in relationships, embracing change, understanding friends, mindful friendship
#OurFriendlyWorld #FawnAndMatt #FriendshipPodcast #SustainableRelationships #EmotionalIntelligence #PersonalGrowth #EmbraceChange #MindfulConnection #LetPeopleEvolve #AuthenticFriendship
]]>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:23:16</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[“Why HALT Matters: Finding Calm in Friendship, Work, and Everyday Life”]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2025 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/why-halt-matters-finding-calm-in-friendship-work-and-everyday-life</link>
                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we explore an old but powerful tool for emotional awareness: <strong>HALT — Hungry, Angry, Lonely, Tired.</strong></p>
<p>From college memories to parenting challenges, we unpack how these four states often drive our reactions, decisions, and relationships. We talk about:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Why recognizing <em>HALT</em> can stop conflicts before they spiral</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How hunger is more than food—it’s about true nourishment</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why loneliness may be the most dangerous trigger of all</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>What parenting reveals about unmet needs in adults</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Simple ways to bring calm, connection, and awareness back into daily life</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>This is our playful and practical reminder to pay attention to our own state—and the state of those around us—transforming how we show up in friendship, family, and community.</p>
<h3>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.</h3>
<ul>
<li>
<p>HALT acronym meaning</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>hungry angry lonely tired</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>emotional triggers in relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>self-awareness tools</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>parenting and emotions</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>conflict resolution tips</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>emotional intelligence in friendship</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>coping with anger and loneliness</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>mental health awareness podcast</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>mindfulness in everyday life</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>#HALTMethod #EmotionalAwareness #FriendshipPodcast #ParentingWisdom #SelfCareMatters #MindfulLiving #ConflictResolution #EmotionalIntelligence #LonelinessAwareness #HungryAngryLonelyTired</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><strong>Are you making decisions while Hungry, Angry, Lonely, or Tired? ? In our new episode of </strong><em><strong>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</strong></em><strong>, we explore the HALT method—an old tool with fresh wisdom for friendship, work, and everyday life.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Learn how these four triggers can shape your reactions (and relationships), and how a little awareness can bring back calm, connection, and compassion. </strong></p>
<p><strong>Listen now: [link in bio]</strong></p>
<p><strong>#HALTMethod #FriendshipPodcast #MindfulLiving #EmotionalAwareness #CalmInChaos</strong></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>]]>
                                    </description>
                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, we explore an old but powerful tool for emotional awareness: HALT — Hungry, Angry, Lonely, Tired.
From college memories to parenting challenges, we unpack how these four states often drive our reactions, decisions, and relationships. We talk about:


Why recognizing HALT can stop conflicts before they spiral


How hunger is more than food—it’s about true nourishment


Why loneliness may be the most dangerous trigger of all


What parenting reveals about unmet needs in adults


Simple ways to bring calm, connection, and awareness back into daily life


This is our playful and practical reminder to pay attention to our own state—and the state of those around us—transforming how we show up in friendship, family, and community.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.


HALT acronym meaning


hungry angry lonely tired


emotional triggers in relationships


self-awareness tools


parenting and emotions


conflict resolution tips


emotional intelligence in friendship


coping with anger and loneliness


mental health awareness podcast


mindfulness in everyday life


#HALTMethod #EmotionalAwareness #FriendshipPodcast #ParentingWisdom #SelfCareMatters #MindfulLiving #ConflictResolution #EmotionalIntelligence #LonelinessAwareness #HungryAngryLonelyTired

Are you making decisions while Hungry, Angry, Lonely, or Tired? ? In our new episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, we explore the HALT method—an old tool with fresh wisdom for friendship, work, and everyday life.
Learn how these four triggers can shape your reactions (and relationships), and how a little awareness can bring back calm, connection, and compassion. 
Listen now: [link in bio]
#HALTMethod #FriendshipPodcast #MindfulLiving #EmotionalAwareness #CalmInChaos
]]>
                </itunes:subtitle>
                                    <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[“Why HALT Matters: Finding Calm in Friendship, Work, and Everyday Life”]]>
                </itunes:title>
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                <content:encoded>
                    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we explore an old but powerful tool for emotional awareness: <strong>HALT — Hungry, Angry, Lonely, Tired.</strong></p>
<p>From college memories to parenting challenges, we unpack how these four states often drive our reactions, decisions, and relationships. We talk about:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Why recognizing <em>HALT</em> can stop conflicts before they spiral</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How hunger is more than food—it’s about true nourishment</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why loneliness may be the most dangerous trigger of all</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>What parenting reveals about unmet needs in adults</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Simple ways to bring calm, connection, and awareness back into daily life</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>This is our playful and practical reminder to pay attention to our own state—and the state of those around us—transforming how we show up in friendship, family, and community.</p>
<h3>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.</h3>
<ul>
<li>
<p>HALT acronym meaning</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>hungry angry lonely tired</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>emotional triggers in relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>self-awareness tools</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>parenting and emotions</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>conflict resolution tips</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>emotional intelligence in friendship</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>coping with anger and loneliness</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>mental health awareness podcast</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>mindfulness in everyday life</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>#HALTMethod #EmotionalAwareness #FriendshipPodcast #ParentingWisdom #SelfCareMatters #MindfulLiving #ConflictResolution #EmotionalIntelligence #LonelinessAwareness #HungryAngryLonelyTired</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><strong>Are you making decisions while Hungry, Angry, Lonely, or Tired? ? In our new episode of </strong><em><strong>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</strong></em><strong>, we explore the HALT method—an old tool with fresh wisdom for friendship, work, and everyday life.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Learn how these four triggers can shape your reactions (and relationships), and how a little awareness can bring back calm, connection, and compassion. </strong></p>
<p><strong>Listen now: [link in bio]</strong></p>
<p><strong>#HALTMethod #FriendshipPodcast #MindfulLiving #EmotionalAwareness #CalmInChaos</strong></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, we explore an old but powerful tool for emotional awareness: HALT — Hungry, Angry, Lonely, Tired.
From college memories to parenting challenges, we unpack how these four states often drive our reactions, decisions, and relationships. We talk about:


Why recognizing HALT can stop conflicts before they spiral


How hunger is more than food—it’s about true nourishment


Why loneliness may be the most dangerous trigger of all


What parenting reveals about unmet needs in adults


Simple ways to bring calm, connection, and awareness back into daily life


This is our playful and practical reminder to pay attention to our own state—and the state of those around us—transforming how we show up in friendship, family, and community.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.


HALT acronym meaning


hungry angry lonely tired


emotional triggers in relationships


self-awareness tools


parenting and emotions


conflict resolution tips


emotional intelligence in friendship


coping with anger and loneliness


mental health awareness podcast


mindfulness in everyday life


#HALTMethod #EmotionalAwareness #FriendshipPodcast #ParentingWisdom #SelfCareMatters #MindfulLiving #ConflictResolution #EmotionalIntelligence #LonelinessAwareness #HungryAngryLonelyTired

Are you making decisions while Hungry, Angry, Lonely, or Tired? ? In our new episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, we explore the HALT method—an old tool with fresh wisdom for friendship, work, and everyday life.
Learn how these four triggers can shape your reactions (and relationships), and how a little awareness can bring back calm, connection, and compassion. 
Listen now: [link in bio]
#HALTMethod #FriendshipPodcast #MindfulLiving #EmotionalAwareness #CalmInChaos
]]>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:20:34</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <item>
                <title>
                    <![CDATA[Friendship or Wound Sharing? How to Build Friendship Bonds That Heal, Not Hurt]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2025 01:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
                <guid isPermaLink="true">
                    https://permalink.castos.com/podcast/11391/episode/2152589</guid>
                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/friendship-or-wound-sharing-how-to-build-bonds-that-heal-not-hurt</link>
                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p><em>Friendship or Wound Sharing? How to Build Bonds That Heal, Not Hurt</em></p>
<p><br />In this episode, Fawn and Matt explore the hidden trap of <em>shared wound friendships</em>—when relationships form around mutual pain instead of growth. We unpack why bonding over past struggles might feel like fate but often keeps us stuck in cycles of sorrow.</p>
<p>Fawn and Matt share personal stories and practical tips on how to spot when a friendship is rooted in pain instead of resilience. From limiting <em>co-rumination</em> to seeking growth-oriented connections, this episode is a heartfelt reminder that true friendships help us evolve, not replay the same wounds.</p>
<p>You’ll learn:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Why bonding over shared pain can feel comforting but ultimately limiting.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How to balance empathy with moving forward.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Simple strategies to shift conversations from rehashing trauma to inspiring growth.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The importance of mixing your community with both understanding friends and resilient role models.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>This episode is for anyone who has ever mistaken shared struggles for soul-level connection—and is ready to build healthier, more uplifting relationships.<br /><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.</p>
<p><br />friendship growth, shared trauma, trauma bonding vs. wound sharing, healthy relationships, co-rumination, resilience in friendship, how to build strong friendships, overcoming toxic cycles, evolving friendships, emotional healing</p>
<p><br />#FriendshipGoals #EmotionalHealing #Resilience #HealthyRelationships #FriendshipPodcast #OurFriendlyWorld #FriendshipMatters #TraumaRecovery #PersonalGrowth #WoundSharing</p>]]>
                                    </description>
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                    <![CDATA[Friendship or Wound Sharing? How to Build Bonds That Heal, Not Hurt
In this episode, Fawn and Matt explore the hidden trap of shared wound friendships—when relationships form around mutual pain instead of growth. We unpack why bonding over past struggles might feel like fate but often keeps us stuck in cycles of sorrow.
Fawn and Matt share personal stories and practical tips on how to spot when a friendship is rooted in pain instead of resilience. From limiting co-rumination to seeking growth-oriented connections, this episode is a heartfelt reminder that true friendships help us evolve, not replay the same wounds.
You’ll learn:


Why bonding over shared pain can feel comforting but ultimately limiting.


How to balance empathy with moving forward.


Simple strategies to shift conversations from rehashing trauma to inspiring growth.


The importance of mixing your community with both understanding friends and resilient role models.


This episode is for anyone who has ever mistaken shared struggles for soul-level connection—and is ready to build healthier, more uplifting relationships.Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.
friendship growth, shared trauma, trauma bonding vs. wound sharing, healthy relationships, co-rumination, resilience in friendship, how to build strong friendships, overcoming toxic cycles, evolving friendships, emotional healing
#FriendshipGoals #EmotionalHealing #Resilience #HealthyRelationships #FriendshipPodcast #OurFriendlyWorld #FriendshipMatters #TraumaRecovery #PersonalGrowth #WoundSharing]]>
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                                    <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[Friendship or Wound Sharing? How to Build Friendship Bonds That Heal, Not Hurt]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><em>Friendship or Wound Sharing? How to Build Bonds That Heal, Not Hurt</em></p>
<p><br />In this episode, Fawn and Matt explore the hidden trap of <em>shared wound friendships</em>—when relationships form around mutual pain instead of growth. We unpack why bonding over past struggles might feel like fate but often keeps us stuck in cycles of sorrow.</p>
<p>Fawn and Matt share personal stories and practical tips on how to spot when a friendship is rooted in pain instead of resilience. From limiting <em>co-rumination</em> to seeking growth-oriented connections, this episode is a heartfelt reminder that true friendships help us evolve, not replay the same wounds.</p>
<p>You’ll learn:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Why bonding over shared pain can feel comforting but ultimately limiting.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How to balance empathy with moving forward.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Simple strategies to shift conversations from rehashing trauma to inspiring growth.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The importance of mixing your community with both understanding friends and resilient role models.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>This episode is for anyone who has ever mistaken shared struggles for soul-level connection—and is ready to build healthier, more uplifting relationships.<br /><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.</p>
<p><br />friendship growth, shared trauma, trauma bonding vs. wound sharing, healthy relationships, co-rumination, resilience in friendship, how to build strong friendships, overcoming toxic cycles, evolving friendships, emotional healing</p>
<p><br />#FriendshipGoals #EmotionalHealing #Resilience #HealthyRelationships #FriendshipPodcast #OurFriendlyWorld #FriendshipMatters #TraumaRecovery #PersonalGrowth #WoundSharing</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Friendship or Wound Sharing? How to Build Bonds That Heal, Not Hurt
In this episode, Fawn and Matt explore the hidden trap of shared wound friendships—when relationships form around mutual pain instead of growth. We unpack why bonding over past struggles might feel like fate but often keeps us stuck in cycles of sorrow.
Fawn and Matt share personal stories and practical tips on how to spot when a friendship is rooted in pain instead of resilience. From limiting co-rumination to seeking growth-oriented connections, this episode is a heartfelt reminder that true friendships help us evolve, not replay the same wounds.
You’ll learn:


Why bonding over shared pain can feel comforting but ultimately limiting.


How to balance empathy with moving forward.


Simple strategies to shift conversations from rehashing trauma to inspiring growth.


The importance of mixing your community with both understanding friends and resilient role models.


This episode is for anyone who has ever mistaken shared struggles for soul-level connection—and is ready to build healthier, more uplifting relationships.Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.
friendship growth, shared trauma, trauma bonding vs. wound sharing, healthy relationships, co-rumination, resilience in friendship, how to build strong friendships, overcoming toxic cycles, evolving friendships, emotional healing
#FriendshipGoals #EmotionalHealing #Resilience #HealthyRelationships #FriendshipPodcast #OurFriendlyWorld #FriendshipMatters #TraumaRecovery #PersonalGrowth #WoundSharing]]>
                </itunes:summary>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:24:31</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
                </itunes:author>
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                <title>
                    <![CDATA[Small Wins, Big Momentum: How Tiny Victories Change Your Day and Your Outlook on Friendship]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2025 04:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this warm, honest conversation, Fawn and Matt unpack what it means to <em>need a win</em> — from Fawn’s big-win longing born of hard times to Matt’s practice of celebrating tiny, controllable victories. They trade real examples (found $2 bills, lottery ticket luck, parenting moments, training in martial arts) and give practical ways to shift perspective: change the scenery, build momentum with small consistent actions, and separate what you can control from what you can’t. Tune in for a gentle mix of humor, humility, and actionable mindset tools to help you feel lighter and win more often — even on the rough days.</p>
<p><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.</p>
<p>In this episode, Fawn &amp; Matt explore how tiny, sometimes mysterious wins — from finding a $2 bill to changing your scenery — build momentum and brighten hard days. Tune into <em>Our Friendly World</em> for practical tools and real stories that actually help.</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>Fawn &amp; Matt explore how tiny wins build momentum, practical stoic tools to reclaim control, and simple shifts to feel better when life gets heavy.</p>
<h1><br /><br /></h1>
<ol>
<li>
<p>small wins</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>momentum mindset</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>needing a win</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>resilience strategies</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>practical stoicism</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>change of scenery for mood</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>build daily momentum</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>gratitude and perspective</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>parenting and emotional regulation</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>finding joy in small things</p>
</li>
</ol>
<ul>
<li>
<p>how to get small wins every day</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>using momentum to find a job</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>stoic perspective on control and outcomes</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>shifting perspective when you’re in a low mood</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>#SmallWins #Momentum #Resilience #MindsetMatters #NeedAWin #PracticalStoic #GratitudePractice #FriendshipPodcast #MentalWellbeing #ParentingMoments #OurFriendlyWorld #TinyVictories</p>]]>
                                    </description>
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                    <![CDATA[In this warm, honest conversation, Fawn and Matt unpack what it means to need a win — from Fawn’s big-win longing born of hard times to Matt’s practice of celebrating tiny, controllable victories. They trade real examples (found $2 bills, lottery ticket luck, parenting moments, training in martial arts) and give practical ways to shift perspective: change the scenery, build momentum with small consistent actions, and separate what you can control from what you can’t. Tune in for a gentle mix of humor, humility, and actionable mindset tools to help you feel lighter and win more often — even on the rough days.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.
In this episode, Fawn & Matt explore how tiny, sometimes mysterious wins — from finding a $2 bill to changing your scenery — build momentum and brighten hard days. Tune into Our Friendly World for practical tools and real stories that actually help.


Fawn & Matt explore how tiny wins build momentum, practical stoic tools to reclaim control, and simple shifts to feel better when life gets heavy.



small wins


momentum mindset


needing a win


resilience strategies


practical stoicism


change of scenery for mood


build daily momentum


gratitude and perspective


parenting and emotional regulation


finding joy in small things




how to get small wins every day


using momentum to find a job


stoic perspective on control and outcomes


shifting perspective when you’re in a low mood


#SmallWins #Momentum #Resilience #MindsetMatters #NeedAWin #PracticalStoic #GratitudePractice #FriendshipPodcast #MentalWellbeing #ParentingMoments #OurFriendlyWorld #TinyVictories]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Small Wins, Big Momentum: How Tiny Victories Change Your Day and Your Outlook on Friendship]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>In this warm, honest conversation, Fawn and Matt unpack what it means to <em>need a win</em> — from Fawn’s big-win longing born of hard times to Matt’s practice of celebrating tiny, controllable victories. They trade real examples (found $2 bills, lottery ticket luck, parenting moments, training in martial arts) and give practical ways to shift perspective: change the scenery, build momentum with small consistent actions, and separate what you can control from what you can’t. Tune in for a gentle mix of humor, humility, and actionable mindset tools to help you feel lighter and win more often — even on the rough days.</p>
<p><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.</p>
<p>In this episode, Fawn &amp; Matt explore how tiny, sometimes mysterious wins — from finding a $2 bill to changing your scenery — build momentum and brighten hard days. Tune into <em>Our Friendly World</em> for practical tools and real stories that actually help.</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>Fawn &amp; Matt explore how tiny wins build momentum, practical stoic tools to reclaim control, and simple shifts to feel better when life gets heavy.</p>
<h1><br /><br /></h1>
<ol>
<li>
<p>small wins</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>momentum mindset</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>needing a win</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>resilience strategies</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>practical stoicism</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>change of scenery for mood</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>build daily momentum</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>gratitude and perspective</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>parenting and emotional regulation</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>finding joy in small things</p>
</li>
</ol>
<ul>
<li>
<p>how to get small wins every day</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>using momentum to find a job</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>stoic perspective on control and outcomes</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>shifting perspective when you’re in a low mood</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>#SmallWins #Momentum #Resilience #MindsetMatters #NeedAWin #PracticalStoic #GratitudePractice #FriendshipPodcast #MentalWellbeing #ParentingMoments #OurFriendlyWorld #TinyVictories</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this warm, honest conversation, Fawn and Matt unpack what it means to need a win — from Fawn’s big-win longing born of hard times to Matt’s practice of celebrating tiny, controllable victories. They trade real examples (found $2 bills, lottery ticket luck, parenting moments, training in martial arts) and give practical ways to shift perspective: change the scenery, build momentum with small consistent actions, and separate what you can control from what you can’t. Tune in for a gentle mix of humor, humility, and actionable mindset tools to help you feel lighter and win more often — even on the rough days.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.
In this episode, Fawn & Matt explore how tiny, sometimes mysterious wins — from finding a $2 bill to changing your scenery — build momentum and brighten hard days. Tune into Our Friendly World for practical tools and real stories that actually help.


Fawn & Matt explore how tiny wins build momentum, practical stoic tools to reclaim control, and simple shifts to feel better when life gets heavy.



small wins


momentum mindset


needing a win


resilience strategies


practical stoicism


change of scenery for mood


build daily momentum


gratitude and perspective


parenting and emotional regulation


finding joy in small things




how to get small wins every day


using momentum to find a job


stoic perspective on control and outcomes


shifting perspective when you’re in a low mood


#SmallWins #Momentum #Resilience #MindsetMatters #NeedAWin #PracticalStoic #GratitudePractice #FriendshipPodcast #MentalWellbeing #ParentingMoments #OurFriendlyWorld #TinyVictories]]>
                </itunes:summary>
                                    <itunes:image href="https://episodes.castos.com/5f36f6bebac289-67402395/images/2146435/c1a-8j1v-1p5m2oj5id3d-yw7y3m.jpg"></itunes:image>
                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:27:36</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                <title>
                    <![CDATA[The Fragile Line: Morality, Friendship, and the Choices That Define Us]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2025 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
                <guid isPermaLink="true">
                    https://permalink.castos.com/podcast/11391/episode/2135241</guid>
                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/the-fragile-line-morality-friendship-and-the-choices-that-define-us</link>
                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we explore how ordinary people can become complicit in harm when fear, propaganda, or survival instincts override empathy. From historical lessons to personal stories of betrayal, Fawn and Matt discuss the importance of moral anchors, the power of friendships, and how courageous conversations can help us resist division. Together, they remind us that kindness, compassion, and meaningful debate are essential for building trust and preventing betrayal in our communities.</p>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.</p>
<p><br />friendship and betrayal, fragile line between good and evil, preventing betrayal, empathy and morality, trust in friendships, moral compass, compassion in society, friendship podcast, resisting propaganda, importance of debate</p>
<p><br />#FriendshipMatters #TrustAndBetrayal #FragileLine #GoodAndEvil #CompassionCounts #MoralCompass #KindnessIsStrength #FriendshipPodcast #EmpathyFirst #CourageousConversations</p>]]>
                                    </description>
                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, we explore how ordinary people can become complicit in harm when fear, propaganda, or survival instincts override empathy. From historical lessons to personal stories of betrayal, Fawn and Matt discuss the importance of moral anchors, the power of friendships, and how courageous conversations can help us resist division. Together, they remind us that kindness, compassion, and meaningful debate are essential for building trust and preventing betrayal in our communities.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.
friendship and betrayal, fragile line between good and evil, preventing betrayal, empathy and morality, trust in friendships, moral compass, compassion in society, friendship podcast, resisting propaganda, importance of debate
#FriendshipMatters #TrustAndBetrayal #FragileLine #GoodAndEvil #CompassionCounts #MoralCompass #KindnessIsStrength #FriendshipPodcast #EmpathyFirst #CourageousConversations]]>
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                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[The Fragile Line: Morality, Friendship, and the Choices That Define Us]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we explore how ordinary people can become complicit in harm when fear, propaganda, or survival instincts override empathy. From historical lessons to personal stories of betrayal, Fawn and Matt discuss the importance of moral anchors, the power of friendships, and how courageous conversations can help us resist division. Together, they remind us that kindness, compassion, and meaningful debate are essential for building trust and preventing betrayal in our communities.</p>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.</p>
<p><br />friendship and betrayal, fragile line between good and evil, preventing betrayal, empathy and morality, trust in friendships, moral compass, compassion in society, friendship podcast, resisting propaganda, importance of debate</p>
<p><br />#FriendshipMatters #TrustAndBetrayal #FragileLine #GoodAndEvil #CompassionCounts #MoralCompass #KindnessIsStrength #FriendshipPodcast #EmpathyFirst #CourageousConversations</p>]]>
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                                <itunes:summary>
                    <![CDATA[In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, we explore how ordinary people can become complicit in harm when fear, propaganda, or survival instincts override empathy. From historical lessons to personal stories of betrayal, Fawn and Matt discuss the importance of moral anchors, the power of friendships, and how courageous conversations can help us resist division. Together, they remind us that kindness, compassion, and meaningful debate are essential for building trust and preventing betrayal in our communities.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it means to truly understand one another.
friendship and betrayal, fragile line between good and evil, preventing betrayal, empathy and morality, trust in friendships, moral compass, compassion in society, friendship podcast, resisting propaganda, importance of debate
#FriendshipMatters #TrustAndBetrayal #FragileLine #GoodAndEvil #CompassionCounts #MoralCompass #KindnessIsStrength #FriendshipPodcast #EmpathyFirst #CourageousConversations]]>
                </itunes:summary>
                                    <itunes:image href="https://episodes.castos.com/5f36f6bebac289-67402395/images/2135241/c1a-8j1v-mkj5p14jap27-gknfok.jpg"></itunes:image>
                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:45:54</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                <title>
                    <![CDATA[Boundaries and Roles: Anchors Away in Friendship and Life]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2025 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                    https://permalink.castos.com/podcast/11391/episode/2120588</guid>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this raw and unfiltered conversation, Fawn and Matt dive into the messy reality of setting boundaries and navigating difficult relationships. From the frustrations of an intrusive neighbor to the larger questions of power, gender roles, and leadership, this episode explores what happens when our safe spaces are invaded and rage takes over.</p>
<p>Fawn shares her personal struggle with anger, vulnerability, and the addictive pull of resentment, while Matt offers grounding insights on boundaries, perspective, and even a few playful (cartoon-style) ways of reframing conflict. Together, they examine how to protect your peace, keep your circle strong, and avoid getting pulled into destructive cycles—whether with neighbors, family, or even global leaders.</p>
<p>This isn’t just about neighbors or noise; it’s about finding balance between strength and compassion, recognizing our triggers, and learning when to hold the line or let go. If you’ve ever wrestled with rage, struggled with setting limits, or wondered how to maintain your own peace in the face of conflict, this episode is for you.</p>
<p><strong>Key Themes:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Boundaries and what to do when they’re crossed</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Rage, resentment, and the addictive pull of anger</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Gender roles and the myth of peaceful leadership</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The illusion of control vs. true inner peace</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Humor, prayer, and presence as ways to reset</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>#FriendshipPodcast #HealthyBoundaries #AngerManagement #ToxicPeople #Mindfulness #ConflictResolution #SelfGrowth #CompassionInAction #PowerDynamics #InnerPeace</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this raw and unfiltered conversation, Fawn and Matt dive into the messy reality of setting boundaries and navigating difficult relationships. From the frustrations of an intrusive neighbor to the larger questions of power, gender roles, and leadership, this episode explores what happens when our safe spaces are invaded and rage takes over.
Fawn shares her personal struggle with anger, vulnerability, and the addictive pull of resentment, while Matt offers grounding insights on boundaries, perspective, and even a few playful (cartoon-style) ways of reframing conflict. Together, they examine how to protect your peace, keep your circle strong, and avoid getting pulled into destructive cycles—whether with neighbors, family, or even global leaders.
This isn’t just about neighbors or noise; it’s about finding balance between strength and compassion, recognizing our triggers, and learning when to hold the line or let go. If you’ve ever wrestled with rage, struggled with setting limits, or wondered how to maintain your own peace in the face of conflict, this episode is for you.
Key Themes:


Boundaries and what to do when they’re crossed


Rage, resentment, and the addictive pull of anger


Gender roles and the myth of peaceful leadership


The illusion of control vs. true inner peace


Humor, prayer, and presence as ways to reset


#FriendshipPodcast #HealthyBoundaries #AngerManagement #ToxicPeople #Mindfulness #ConflictResolution #SelfGrowth #CompassionInAction #PowerDynamics #InnerPeace
]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Boundaries and Roles: Anchors Away in Friendship and Life]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>In this raw and unfiltered conversation, Fawn and Matt dive into the messy reality of setting boundaries and navigating difficult relationships. From the frustrations of an intrusive neighbor to the larger questions of power, gender roles, and leadership, this episode explores what happens when our safe spaces are invaded and rage takes over.</p>
<p>Fawn shares her personal struggle with anger, vulnerability, and the addictive pull of resentment, while Matt offers grounding insights on boundaries, perspective, and even a few playful (cartoon-style) ways of reframing conflict. Together, they examine how to protect your peace, keep your circle strong, and avoid getting pulled into destructive cycles—whether with neighbors, family, or even global leaders.</p>
<p>This isn’t just about neighbors or noise; it’s about finding balance between strength and compassion, recognizing our triggers, and learning when to hold the line or let go. If you’ve ever wrestled with rage, struggled with setting limits, or wondered how to maintain your own peace in the face of conflict, this episode is for you.</p>
<p><strong>Key Themes:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Boundaries and what to do when they’re crossed</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Rage, resentment, and the addictive pull of anger</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Gender roles and the myth of peaceful leadership</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The illusion of control vs. true inner peace</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Humor, prayer, and presence as ways to reset</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>#FriendshipPodcast #HealthyBoundaries #AngerManagement #ToxicPeople #Mindfulness #ConflictResolution #SelfGrowth #CompassionInAction #PowerDynamics #InnerPeace</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this raw and unfiltered conversation, Fawn and Matt dive into the messy reality of setting boundaries and navigating difficult relationships. From the frustrations of an intrusive neighbor to the larger questions of power, gender roles, and leadership, this episode explores what happens when our safe spaces are invaded and rage takes over.
Fawn shares her personal struggle with anger, vulnerability, and the addictive pull of resentment, while Matt offers grounding insights on boundaries, perspective, and even a few playful (cartoon-style) ways of reframing conflict. Together, they examine how to protect your peace, keep your circle strong, and avoid getting pulled into destructive cycles—whether with neighbors, family, or even global leaders.
This isn’t just about neighbors or noise; it’s about finding balance between strength and compassion, recognizing our triggers, and learning when to hold the line or let go. If you’ve ever wrestled with rage, struggled with setting limits, or wondered how to maintain your own peace in the face of conflict, this episode is for you.
Key Themes:


Boundaries and what to do when they’re crossed


Rage, resentment, and the addictive pull of anger


Gender roles and the myth of peaceful leadership


The illusion of control vs. true inner peace


Humor, prayer, and presence as ways to reset


#FriendshipPodcast #HealthyBoundaries #AngerManagement #ToxicPeople #Mindfulness #ConflictResolution #SelfGrowth #CompassionInAction #PowerDynamics #InnerPeace
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA["Stoic Aikido: Calm Is a Superpower in Friendship"]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2025 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><strong>"Stoic Aikido: Calm Is a Superpower"</strong></p>
<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, Fawn explores the surprising connection between Stoicism and Aikido, drawing from both personal martial arts experience and philosophical insight. What begins as a mystery note—“Stoicism and Aikido”—unfolds into a deep conversation about navigating life with strength, balance, and emotional clarity. Together, Fawn and Matt discuss how to remain centered while the world throws punches (literally and figuratively), how reacting with emotion can drain our energy, and why calmness is a true superpower. With references to martial arts legends and pop culture wisdom from <em>The Karate Kid</em>, this episode reminds us that peace of mind is the greatest form of resilience.</p>
<p>Stoicism and martial arts, Aikido philosophy, emotional resilience, calm as a superpower, how to stay centered, Stoic mindset, energy management, Fawn and Matt podcast, friendly world podcast, martial arts life lessons, mindfulness in conflict, detachment and clarity, staying grounded, self-mastery, personal growth through calm</p>
<p><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<p>#Stoicism #Aikido #CalmIsASuperpower #EmotionalResilience #MindfulLiving #MartialArtsWisdom #StayCentered #InnerStrength #FawnAndMatt #OurFriendlyWorld #PeaceOverPanic #SelfMastery #PhilosophyInAction #LifeLessons</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA["Stoic Aikido: Calm Is a Superpower"
In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, Fawn explores the surprising connection between Stoicism and Aikido, drawing from both personal martial arts experience and philosophical insight. What begins as a mystery note—“Stoicism and Aikido”—unfolds into a deep conversation about navigating life with strength, balance, and emotional clarity. Together, Fawn and Matt discuss how to remain centered while the world throws punches (literally and figuratively), how reacting with emotion can drain our energy, and why calmness is a true superpower. With references to martial arts legends and pop culture wisdom from The Karate Kid, this episode reminds us that peace of mind is the greatest form of resilience.
Stoicism and martial arts, Aikido philosophy, emotional resilience, calm as a superpower, how to stay centered, Stoic mindset, energy management, Fawn and Matt podcast, friendly world podcast, martial arts life lessons, mindfulness in conflict, detachment and clarity, staying grounded, self-mastery, personal growth through calm
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.
#Stoicism #Aikido #CalmIsASuperpower #EmotionalResilience #MindfulLiving #MartialArtsWisdom #StayCentered #InnerStrength #FawnAndMatt #OurFriendlyWorld #PeaceOverPanic #SelfMastery #PhilosophyInAction #LifeLessons]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><strong>"Stoic Aikido: Calm Is a Superpower"</strong></p>
<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, Fawn explores the surprising connection between Stoicism and Aikido, drawing from both personal martial arts experience and philosophical insight. What begins as a mystery note—“Stoicism and Aikido”—unfolds into a deep conversation about navigating life with strength, balance, and emotional clarity. Together, Fawn and Matt discuss how to remain centered while the world throws punches (literally and figuratively), how reacting with emotion can drain our energy, and why calmness is a true superpower. With references to martial arts legends and pop culture wisdom from <em>The Karate Kid</em>, this episode reminds us that peace of mind is the greatest form of resilience.</p>
<p>Stoicism and martial arts, Aikido philosophy, emotional resilience, calm as a superpower, how to stay centered, Stoic mindset, energy management, Fawn and Matt podcast, friendly world podcast, martial arts life lessons, mindfulness in conflict, detachment and clarity, staying grounded, self-mastery, personal growth through calm</p>
<p><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<p>#Stoicism #Aikido #CalmIsASuperpower #EmotionalResilience #MindfulLiving #MartialArtsWisdom #StayCentered #InnerStrength #FawnAndMatt #OurFriendlyWorld #PeaceOverPanic #SelfMastery #PhilosophyInAction #LifeLessons</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA["Stoic Aikido: Calm Is a Superpower"
In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, Fawn explores the surprising connection between Stoicism and Aikido, drawing from both personal martial arts experience and philosophical insight. What begins as a mystery note—“Stoicism and Aikido”—unfolds into a deep conversation about navigating life with strength, balance, and emotional clarity. Together, Fawn and Matt discuss how to remain centered while the world throws punches (literally and figuratively), how reacting with emotion can drain our energy, and why calmness is a true superpower. With references to martial arts legends and pop culture wisdom from The Karate Kid, this episode reminds us that peace of mind is the greatest form of resilience.
Stoicism and martial arts, Aikido philosophy, emotional resilience, calm as a superpower, how to stay centered, Stoic mindset, energy management, Fawn and Matt podcast, friendly world podcast, martial arts life lessons, mindfulness in conflict, detachment and clarity, staying grounded, self-mastery, personal growth through calm
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.
#Stoicism #Aikido #CalmIsASuperpower #EmotionalResilience #MindfulLiving #MartialArtsWisdom #StayCentered #InnerStrength #FawnAndMatt #OurFriendlyWorld #PeaceOverPanic #SelfMastery #PhilosophyInAction #LifeLessons]]>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:09:12</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Emotional Contagion: The Spontaneous Spread of Emotions Affecting Friendship]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2025 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>How does friendship get affected by this form of social contagion that involves the spontaneous spread of emotions and behaviors right now? We discuss pthe past and present and try to come up with answers to create a friendlier environment.</p>
<p><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[How does friendship get affected by this form of social contagion that involves the spontaneous spread of emotions and behaviors right now? We discuss pthe past and present and try to come up with answers to create a friendlier environment.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.]]>
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<p><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>]]>
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Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.]]>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:43:22</itunes:duration>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[“Man Keeping, Trauma Dumping, and the Hidden Cost of Emotional Labor in Friendship”]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2025 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this candid and lively episode, Fawn and Matt dive into the concept of “man keeping,” a term coined by researchers to describe the largely invisible emotional and social labor women perform for the men in their lives. Fawn shares how she thinks daily about Matt’s well-being and how that sometimes leads to frustration when her help isn’t wanted. The two explore the differences in how men and women process emotions and friendships, highlighting how men often avoid deep conversations with friends, leading them to lean heavily on romantic partners for support. They also discuss the phenomenon of trauma dumping — the urge to unload emotional burdens onto others — and how modern life leaves many people without the capacity to “hold the metaphorical hair” for anyone else’s emotional mess. The conversation turns toward the broader need for community (or “family”) support systems where emotional labor can be shared collectively. Fawn and Matt encourage listeners to find healthier ways to process feelings without overwhelming partners, and to nurture relationships that can sustain mutual emotional support.</p>
<p></p>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<h2><br /><br /></h2>
<p>“Maybe talking to a group of people where collectively everyone has 10% energy — amongst ten people, you have 100% energy — so this person can still be held. That’s what we need: a group, a family, where we’re stronger together.” — Fawn</p>
<p>man keeping, emotional labor, trauma dumping, relationships, emotional support, friendship, men’s mental health, invisible labor, community support, modern relationships</p>
<p><br />#ManKeeping #EmotionalLabor #TraumaDumping #Relationships #MensMentalHealth #Friendship #CommunitySupport #InvisibleLabor #Podcast #EmotionalWellbeing #ModernRelationships #OurFriendlyWorld</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this candid and lively episode, Fawn and Matt dive into the concept of “man keeping,” a term coined by researchers to describe the largely invisible emotional and social labor women perform for the men in their lives. Fawn shares how she thinks daily about Matt’s well-being and how that sometimes leads to frustration when her help isn’t wanted. The two explore the differences in how men and women process emotions and friendships, highlighting how men often avoid deep conversations with friends, leading them to lean heavily on romantic partners for support. They also discuss the phenomenon of trauma dumping — the urge to unload emotional burdens onto others — and how modern life leaves many people without the capacity to “hold the metaphorical hair” for anyone else’s emotional mess. The conversation turns toward the broader need for community (or “family”) support systems where emotional labor can be shared collectively. Fawn and Matt encourage listeners to find healthier ways to process feelings without overwhelming partners, and to nurture relationships that can sustain mutual emotional support.

Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.

“Maybe talking to a group of people where collectively everyone has 10% energy — amongst ten people, you have 100% energy — so this person can still be held. That’s what we need: a group, a family, where we’re stronger together.” — Fawn
man keeping, emotional labor, trauma dumping, relationships, emotional support, friendship, men’s mental health, invisible labor, community support, modern relationships
#ManKeeping #EmotionalLabor #TraumaDumping #Relationships #MensMentalHealth #Friendship #CommunitySupport #InvisibleLabor #Podcast #EmotionalWellbeing #ModernRelationships #OurFriendlyWorld]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>In this candid and lively episode, Fawn and Matt dive into the concept of “man keeping,” a term coined by researchers to describe the largely invisible emotional and social labor women perform for the men in their lives. Fawn shares how she thinks daily about Matt’s well-being and how that sometimes leads to frustration when her help isn’t wanted. The two explore the differences in how men and women process emotions and friendships, highlighting how men often avoid deep conversations with friends, leading them to lean heavily on romantic partners for support. They also discuss the phenomenon of trauma dumping — the urge to unload emotional burdens onto others — and how modern life leaves many people without the capacity to “hold the metaphorical hair” for anyone else’s emotional mess. The conversation turns toward the broader need for community (or “family”) support systems where emotional labor can be shared collectively. Fawn and Matt encourage listeners to find healthier ways to process feelings without overwhelming partners, and to nurture relationships that can sustain mutual emotional support.</p>
<p></p>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<h2><br /><br /></h2>
<p>“Maybe talking to a group of people where collectively everyone has 10% energy — amongst ten people, you have 100% energy — so this person can still be held. That’s what we need: a group, a family, where we’re stronger together.” — Fawn</p>
<p>man keeping, emotional labor, trauma dumping, relationships, emotional support, friendship, men’s mental health, invisible labor, community support, modern relationships</p>
<p><br />#ManKeeping #EmotionalLabor #TraumaDumping #Relationships #MensMentalHealth #Friendship #CommunitySupport #InvisibleLabor #Podcast #EmotionalWellbeing #ModernRelationships #OurFriendlyWorld</p>]]>
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Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.

“Maybe talking to a group of people where collectively everyone has 10% energy — amongst ten people, you have 100% energy — so this person can still be held. That’s what we need: a group, a family, where we’re stronger together.” — Fawn
man keeping, emotional labor, trauma dumping, relationships, emotional support, friendship, men’s mental health, invisible labor, community support, modern relationships
#ManKeeping #EmotionalLabor #TraumaDumping #Relationships #MensMentalHealth #Friendship #CommunitySupport #InvisibleLabor #Podcast #EmotionalWellbeing #ModernRelationships #OurFriendlyWorld]]>
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                    <![CDATA[“Walking Through Resistance: Fear, Connection, and the Simple Path to Healthy Friendships”]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2025 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>Fawn and Matt reflect on how even simple, positive activities like gathering with friends or going for a walk can sometimes feel complicated or unsafe in today’s world. Fawn shares personal experiences of feeling cautious in public spaces and discusses how social dynamics and urban design can make people feel disconnected from one another. The conversation turns to the many benefits of walking, inspired by insights from Dr. Courtney Conley, who explains how small increases in daily steps can significantly improve physical and mental health. Despite the obstacles that sometimes arise when trying to do good things, Fawn and Matt encourage listeners to keep moving forward with care, connection, and optimism.<br /><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<p>“Whenever you have a good idea or a good thing you’re doing, be mindful that the negative will come along to try to steer you away from the good thing that you’re doing… so just go with smarts, go with protection, go with love, go with an expectation that you are held in a wonderful light with safety and health, and lots of beautiful support.”</p>
<p>— Fawn</p>
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<p>Walking for health</p>
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<li>
<p>Community connection</p>
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<li>
<p>War of Art</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Fear and resistance</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Friendship</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Mental health</p>
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<li>
<p>Depression prevention</p>
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<li>
<p>Daily steps benefits</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Racial bias and community</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Small acts of self-care</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Urban walking</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Mind-body connection</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>#OurFriendlyWorld #WalkingForHealth #WarOfArt #MentalHealthAwareness #CommunityConnection #FriendshipMatters #SmallStepsBigChange #OvercomingFear #MindBodyHealth #DailyWalking #HealthyHabits #PodcastLife</p>]]>
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“Whenever you have a good idea or a good thing you’re doing, be mindful that the negative will come along to try to steer you away from the good thing that you’re doing… so just go with smarts, go with protection, go with love, go with an expectation that you are held in a wonderful light with safety and health, and lots of beautiful support.”
— Fawn


Walking for health


Community connection


War of Art


Fear and resistance


Friendship


Mental health


Depression prevention


Daily steps benefits


Racial bias and community


Small acts of self-care


Urban walking


Mind-body connection


#OurFriendlyWorld #WalkingForHealth #WarOfArt #MentalHealthAwareness #CommunityConnection #FriendshipMatters #SmallStepsBigChange #OvercomingFear #MindBodyHealth #DailyWalking #HealthyHabits #PodcastLife]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>Fawn and Matt reflect on how even simple, positive activities like gathering with friends or going for a walk can sometimes feel complicated or unsafe in today’s world. Fawn shares personal experiences of feeling cautious in public spaces and discusses how social dynamics and urban design can make people feel disconnected from one another. The conversation turns to the many benefits of walking, inspired by insights from Dr. Courtney Conley, who explains how small increases in daily steps can significantly improve physical and mental health. Despite the obstacles that sometimes arise when trying to do good things, Fawn and Matt encourage listeners to keep moving forward with care, connection, and optimism.<br /><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<p>“Whenever you have a good idea or a good thing you’re doing, be mindful that the negative will come along to try to steer you away from the good thing that you’re doing… so just go with smarts, go with protection, go with love, go with an expectation that you are held in a wonderful light with safety and health, and lots of beautiful support.”</p>
<p>— Fawn</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Walking for health</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Community connection</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>War of Art</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Fear and resistance</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Friendship</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Mental health</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Depression prevention</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Daily steps benefits</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Racial bias and community</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Small acts of self-care</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Urban walking</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Mind-body connection</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>#OurFriendlyWorld #WalkingForHealth #WarOfArt #MentalHealthAwareness #CommunityConnection #FriendshipMatters #SmallStepsBigChange #OvercomingFear #MindBodyHealth #DailyWalking #HealthyHabits #PodcastLife</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn and Matt reflect on how even simple, positive activities like gathering with friends or going for a walk can sometimes feel complicated or unsafe in today’s world. Fawn shares personal experiences of feeling cautious in public spaces and discusses how social dynamics and urban design can make people feel disconnected from one another. The conversation turns to the many benefits of walking, inspired by insights from Dr. Courtney Conley, who explains how small increases in daily steps can significantly improve physical and mental health. Despite the obstacles that sometimes arise when trying to do good things, Fawn and Matt encourage listeners to keep moving forward with care, connection, and optimism.Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.
“Whenever you have a good idea or a good thing you’re doing, be mindful that the negative will come along to try to steer you away from the good thing that you’re doing… so just go with smarts, go with protection, go with love, go with an expectation that you are held in a wonderful light with safety and health, and lots of beautiful support.”
— Fawn


Walking for health


Community connection


War of Art


Fear and resistance


Friendship


Mental health


Depression prevention


Daily steps benefits


Racial bias and community


Small acts of self-care


Urban walking


Mind-body connection


#OurFriendlyWorld #WalkingForHealth #WarOfArt #MentalHealthAwareness #CommunityConnection #FriendshipMatters #SmallStepsBigChange #OvercomingFear #MindBodyHealth #DailyWalking #HealthyHabits #PodcastLife]]>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:26:32</itunes:duration>
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                    <![CDATA[“Kindness in the Chaos: Finding Friendship and Light When the World Feels Heavy”]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2025 02:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p><br />In this raw and heart-opening episode of <em>Our Friendly World</em>, Fawn and Matt revisit the theme of <strong>kindness</strong>—not as a fluffy or performative gesture, but as a deeply rooted life force that shows up when we need it most. Amid personal uncertainty and difficult news, they explore how kindness often arrives in the form of small, unforgettable moments: a stranger’s generosity, a bird’s quiet presence, a smile from a hero, or a lifelong gift from a fellow traveler.</p>
<p>Together, they reflect on the distinction between being "nice" and being truly <strong>kind</strong>, the power of remembering kind acts from the past, and why noticing and acknowledging kindness is essential, especially when things feel dark. Through laughter, memories, tears, and scientific insights, Fawn and Matt offer a gentle, uplifting reminder: <strong>Kindness is everywhere—and it matters.</strong></p>
<p>Why we need to <em>hold kindness in our pockets</em><br />The emotional ripple effect of being seen<br />Stories of unexpected generosity—from a Swiss scientist to an Iron Maiden bassist<br />How observing kindness can actually improve your health<br />The quiet strength in staying present—even with tears</p>
<p>Whether you're in a season of joy or challenge, we hope this conversation will help you feel less alone—and more connected to the invisible threads that hold us together.</p>
<p><strong>Be present. Be kind. And remember—you never know who you’re helping just by holding the door.</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>kindness in hard times</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>emotional resilience podcast</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>stories of kindness</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>small acts of kindness</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>mental health and kindness</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how to stay hopeful</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>kindness vs niceness</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>podcast about compassion</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>finding light in dark times</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>emotional healing stories</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>the science of kindness</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Our Friendly World podcast</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Fawn and Matt podcast</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>real conversations on friendship</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how kindness changes lives</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><br />#KindnessMatters<br />#SmallActsBigImpact<br />#EmotionalResilience<br />#BeKind<br />#HopeInHardTimes<br />#StoriesOfKindness<br />#HealingThroughConnection<br />#KindnessHeals<br />#FriendshipPodcast<br />#OurFriendlyWorld</p>
<p><br />#MentalHealthAwareness<br />#HumanConnection<br />#BeTheLight<br />#TrueStories<br />#PodcastRecommendations<br />#CompassionInAction<br />#KindnessIsStrength<br />#RealTalkPodcast<br />#StayHopeful<br />#HeartfeltPodcast</p>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.<br /><br /></p>]]>
                                    </description>
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                    <![CDATA[In this raw and heart-opening episode of Our Friendly World, Fawn and Matt revisit the theme of kindness—not as a fluffy or performative gesture, but as a deeply rooted life force that shows up when we need it most. Amid personal uncertainty and difficult news, they explore how kindness often arrives in the form of small, unforgettable moments: a stranger’s generosity, a bird’s quiet presence, a smile from a hero, or a lifelong gift from a fellow traveler.
Together, they reflect on the distinction between being "nice" and being truly kind, the power of remembering kind acts from the past, and why noticing and acknowledging kindness is essential, especially when things feel dark. Through laughter, memories, tears, and scientific insights, Fawn and Matt offer a gentle, uplifting reminder: Kindness is everywhere—and it matters.
Why we need to hold kindness in our pocketsThe emotional ripple effect of being seenStories of unexpected generosity—from a Swiss scientist to an Iron Maiden bassistHow observing kindness can actually improve your healthThe quiet strength in staying present—even with tears
Whether you're in a season of joy or challenge, we hope this conversation will help you feel less alone—and more connected to the invisible threads that hold us together.
Be present. Be kind. And remember—you never know who you’re helping just by holding the door.


kindness in hard times


emotional resilience podcast


stories of kindness


small acts of kindness


mental health and kindness


how to stay hopeful


kindness vs niceness


podcast about compassion


finding light in dark times


emotional healing stories


the science of kindness


Our Friendly World podcast


Fawn and Matt podcast


real conversations on friendship


how kindness changes lives


#KindnessMatters#SmallActsBigImpact#EmotionalResilience#BeKind#HopeInHardTimes#StoriesOfKindness#HealingThroughConnection#KindnessHeals#FriendshipPodcast#OurFriendlyWorld
#MentalHealthAwareness#HumanConnection#BeTheLight#TrueStories#PodcastRecommendations#CompassionInAction#KindnessIsStrength#RealTalkPodcast#StayHopeful#HeartfeltPodcast
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.]]>
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                    <![CDATA[“Kindness in the Chaos: Finding Friendship and Light When the World Feels Heavy”]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><br />In this raw and heart-opening episode of <em>Our Friendly World</em>, Fawn and Matt revisit the theme of <strong>kindness</strong>—not as a fluffy or performative gesture, but as a deeply rooted life force that shows up when we need it most. Amid personal uncertainty and difficult news, they explore how kindness often arrives in the form of small, unforgettable moments: a stranger’s generosity, a bird’s quiet presence, a smile from a hero, or a lifelong gift from a fellow traveler.</p>
<p>Together, they reflect on the distinction between being "nice" and being truly <strong>kind</strong>, the power of remembering kind acts from the past, and why noticing and acknowledging kindness is essential, especially when things feel dark. Through laughter, memories, tears, and scientific insights, Fawn and Matt offer a gentle, uplifting reminder: <strong>Kindness is everywhere—and it matters.</strong></p>
<p>Why we need to <em>hold kindness in our pockets</em><br />The emotional ripple effect of being seen<br />Stories of unexpected generosity—from a Swiss scientist to an Iron Maiden bassist<br />How observing kindness can actually improve your health<br />The quiet strength in staying present—even with tears</p>
<p>Whether you're in a season of joy or challenge, we hope this conversation will help you feel less alone—and more connected to the invisible threads that hold us together.</p>
<p><strong>Be present. Be kind. And remember—you never know who you’re helping just by holding the door.</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>kindness in hard times</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>emotional resilience podcast</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>stories of kindness</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>small acts of kindness</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>mental health and kindness</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how to stay hopeful</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>kindness vs niceness</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>podcast about compassion</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>finding light in dark times</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>emotional healing stories</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>the science of kindness</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Our Friendly World podcast</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Fawn and Matt podcast</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>real conversations on friendship</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how kindness changes lives</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><br />#KindnessMatters<br />#SmallActsBigImpact<br />#EmotionalResilience<br />#BeKind<br />#HopeInHardTimes<br />#StoriesOfKindness<br />#HealingThroughConnection<br />#KindnessHeals<br />#FriendshipPodcast<br />#OurFriendlyWorld</p>
<p><br />#MentalHealthAwareness<br />#HumanConnection<br />#BeTheLight<br />#TrueStories<br />#PodcastRecommendations<br />#CompassionInAction<br />#KindnessIsStrength<br />#RealTalkPodcast<br />#StayHopeful<br />#HeartfeltPodcast</p>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.<br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this raw and heart-opening episode of Our Friendly World, Fawn and Matt revisit the theme of kindness—not as a fluffy or performative gesture, but as a deeply rooted life force that shows up when we need it most. Amid personal uncertainty and difficult news, they explore how kindness often arrives in the form of small, unforgettable moments: a stranger’s generosity, a bird’s quiet presence, a smile from a hero, or a lifelong gift from a fellow traveler.
Together, they reflect on the distinction between being "nice" and being truly kind, the power of remembering kind acts from the past, and why noticing and acknowledging kindness is essential, especially when things feel dark. Through laughter, memories, tears, and scientific insights, Fawn and Matt offer a gentle, uplifting reminder: Kindness is everywhere—and it matters.
Why we need to hold kindness in our pocketsThe emotional ripple effect of being seenStories of unexpected generosity—from a Swiss scientist to an Iron Maiden bassistHow observing kindness can actually improve your healthThe quiet strength in staying present—even with tears
Whether you're in a season of joy or challenge, we hope this conversation will help you feel less alone—and more connected to the invisible threads that hold us together.
Be present. Be kind. And remember—you never know who you’re helping just by holding the door.


kindness in hard times


emotional resilience podcast


stories of kindness


small acts of kindness


mental health and kindness


how to stay hopeful


kindness vs niceness


podcast about compassion


finding light in dark times


emotional healing stories


the science of kindness


Our Friendly World podcast


Fawn and Matt podcast


real conversations on friendship


how kindness changes lives


#KindnessMatters#SmallActsBigImpact#EmotionalResilience#BeKind#HopeInHardTimes#StoriesOfKindness#HealingThroughConnection#KindnessHeals#FriendshipPodcast#OurFriendlyWorld
#MentalHealthAwareness#HumanConnection#BeTheLight#TrueStories#PodcastRecommendations#CompassionInAction#KindnessIsStrength#RealTalkPodcast#StayHopeful#HeartfeltPodcast
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.]]>
                </itunes:summary>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:22:29</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                            </item>
                    <item>
                <title>
                    <![CDATA[Two Catcher's Mitts: When Giving and Receiving Get Out of Balance Within Friendships]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2025 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>Fawn and Matt dive into a powerful Maya Angelou quote: “You shouldn't go through life with a catcher's mitt on both hands. You need to be able to throw something back.” The conversation unpacks what it means to be constantly in receiving mode—emotionally, spiritually, and even materially—and why true connection and growth require both giving and receiving. From baseball metaphors to bug spray mishaps, this episode explores how over-preparedness, survival mode, and self-awareness shape our relationships and our role in the world. With humor, vulnerability, and a few family antics, Fawn and Matt invite you to reflect on how you show up—and what you offer—in your everyday life.<br /><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<p>Maya Angelou quote podcast, meaning of giving and receiving, emotional generosity, friendship lessons, personal growth, mindful living, catcher's mitt metaphor, self-awareness, survival mode mindset, healthy relationships, parenting and preparedness, gratitude and contribution, family humor, life reflections podcast</p>
<h3><br />#PodcastEpisode #MayaAngelouWisdom #GiveAndReceive #EmotionalIntelligence #MindfulLiving #PersonalGrowthPodcast #FriendshipMatters #LifeLessons #SelfAwareness #SurvivalMode #Preparedness #PodcastWithHeart #OurFriendlyWorld #FawnAndMatt #FamilyAndPhilosophy #BugSprayAndBaseball</h3>
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                                    </description>
                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn and Matt dive into a powerful Maya Angelou quote: “You shouldn't go through life with a catcher's mitt on both hands. You need to be able to throw something back.” The conversation unpacks what it means to be constantly in receiving mode—emotionally, spiritually, and even materially—and why true connection and growth require both giving and receiving. From baseball metaphors to bug spray mishaps, this episode explores how over-preparedness, survival mode, and self-awareness shape our relationships and our role in the world. With humor, vulnerability, and a few family antics, Fawn and Matt invite you to reflect on how you show up—and what you offer—in your everyday life.Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.
Maya Angelou quote podcast, meaning of giving and receiving, emotional generosity, friendship lessons, personal growth, mindful living, catcher's mitt metaphor, self-awareness, survival mode mindset, healthy relationships, parenting and preparedness, gratitude and contribution, family humor, life reflections podcast
#PodcastEpisode #MayaAngelouWisdom #GiveAndReceive #EmotionalIntelligence #MindfulLiving #PersonalGrowthPodcast #FriendshipMatters #LifeLessons #SelfAwareness #SurvivalMode #Preparedness #PodcastWithHeart #OurFriendlyWorld #FawnAndMatt #FamilyAndPhilosophy #BugSprayAndBaseball
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                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[Two Catcher's Mitts: When Giving and Receiving Get Out of Balance Within Friendships]]>
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                                                <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
                <content:encoded>
                    <![CDATA[<p>Fawn and Matt dive into a powerful Maya Angelou quote: “You shouldn't go through life with a catcher's mitt on both hands. You need to be able to throw something back.” The conversation unpacks what it means to be constantly in receiving mode—emotionally, spiritually, and even materially—and why true connection and growth require both giving and receiving. From baseball metaphors to bug spray mishaps, this episode explores how over-preparedness, survival mode, and self-awareness shape our relationships and our role in the world. With humor, vulnerability, and a few family antics, Fawn and Matt invite you to reflect on how you show up—and what you offer—in your everyday life.<br /><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<p>Maya Angelou quote podcast, meaning of giving and receiving, emotional generosity, friendship lessons, personal growth, mindful living, catcher's mitt metaphor, self-awareness, survival mode mindset, healthy relationships, parenting and preparedness, gratitude and contribution, family humor, life reflections podcast</p>
<h3><br />#PodcastEpisode #MayaAngelouWisdom #GiveAndReceive #EmotionalIntelligence #MindfulLiving #PersonalGrowthPodcast #FriendshipMatters #LifeLessons #SelfAwareness #SurvivalMode #Preparedness #PodcastWithHeart #OurFriendlyWorld #FawnAndMatt #FamilyAndPhilosophy #BugSprayAndBaseball</h3>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn and Matt dive into a powerful Maya Angelou quote: “You shouldn't go through life with a catcher's mitt on both hands. You need to be able to throw something back.” The conversation unpacks what it means to be constantly in receiving mode—emotionally, spiritually, and even materially—and why true connection and growth require both giving and receiving. From baseball metaphors to bug spray mishaps, this episode explores how over-preparedness, survival mode, and self-awareness shape our relationships and our role in the world. With humor, vulnerability, and a few family antics, Fawn and Matt invite you to reflect on how you show up—and what you offer—in your everyday life.Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.
Maya Angelou quote podcast, meaning of giving and receiving, emotional generosity, friendship lessons, personal growth, mindful living, catcher's mitt metaphor, self-awareness, survival mode mindset, healthy relationships, parenting and preparedness, gratitude and contribution, family humor, life reflections podcast
#PodcastEpisode #MayaAngelouWisdom #GiveAndReceive #EmotionalIntelligence #MindfulLiving #PersonalGrowthPodcast #FriendshipMatters #LifeLessons #SelfAwareness #SurvivalMode #Preparedness #PodcastWithHeart #OurFriendlyWorld #FawnAndMatt #FamilyAndPhilosophy #BugSprayAndBaseball
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                <title>
                    <![CDATA[How to Never Get Angry or Bothered by Anyone and Improving the Art of Friendship]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2025 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, Fawn opens up about the emotional toll of being ignored and misunderstood, exploring how silence can sometimes feel like a weapon rather than a peaceful act. Together, she and Matt unpack how overwhelm, emotional triggers, and the need for connection shape our reactions to conflict. They examine stoicism, the illusion of control, and the surprising ways people seek connection—even through confrontation. Matt shares a Zen parable about anger and personal responsibility, while Fawn reflects on the volcanic nature of repressed emotion. This raw, honest conversation challenges listeners to question where their reactions come from and how to find peace in the chaos of modern relationships.</p>
<h3>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.<br /><br /></h3>
<ul>
<li>
<p>emotional overwhelm</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>stoicism and silence</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>being ignored in family</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how to deal with anger</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>seeking connection through conflict</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Zen parable anger</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>inner peace in relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>silent treatment psychology</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>podcast on emotional intelligence</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>friendship and boundaries</p>
</li>
</ul>
<h3><br /><br /></h3>
<ul>
<li>
<p>#OurFriendlyWorld</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>#EmotionalIntelligence</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>#Overwhelm</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>#SilentTreatment</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>#AngerAndHealing</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>#ZenWisdom</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>#Stoicism</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>#FamilyDynamics</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>#FriendshipPodcast</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>#SelfAwareness</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, Fawn opens up about the emotional toll of being ignored and misunderstood, exploring how silence can sometimes feel like a weapon rather than a peaceful act. Together, she and Matt unpack how overwhelm, emotional triggers, and the need for connection shape our reactions to conflict. They examine stoicism, the illusion of control, and the surprising ways people seek connection—even through confrontation. Matt shares a Zen parable about anger and personal responsibility, while Fawn reflects on the volcanic nature of repressed emotion. This raw, honest conversation challenges listeners to question where their reactions come from and how to find peace in the chaos of modern relationships.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.


emotional overwhelm


stoicism and silence


being ignored in family


how to deal with anger


seeking connection through conflict


Zen parable anger


inner peace in relationships


silent treatment psychology


podcast on emotional intelligence


friendship and boundaries





#OurFriendlyWorld


#EmotionalIntelligence


#Overwhelm


#SilentTreatment


#AngerAndHealing


#ZenWisdom


#Stoicism


#FamilyDynamics


#FriendshipPodcast


#SelfAwareness


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                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[How to Never Get Angry or Bothered by Anyone and Improving the Art of Friendship]]>
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                                                <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
                <content:encoded>
                    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, Fawn opens up about the emotional toll of being ignored and misunderstood, exploring how silence can sometimes feel like a weapon rather than a peaceful act. Together, she and Matt unpack how overwhelm, emotional triggers, and the need for connection shape our reactions to conflict. They examine stoicism, the illusion of control, and the surprising ways people seek connection—even through confrontation. Matt shares a Zen parable about anger and personal responsibility, while Fawn reflects on the volcanic nature of repressed emotion. This raw, honest conversation challenges listeners to question where their reactions come from and how to find peace in the chaos of modern relationships.</p>
<h3>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.<br /><br /></h3>
<ul>
<li>
<p>emotional overwhelm</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>stoicism and silence</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>being ignored in family</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how to deal with anger</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>seeking connection through conflict</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Zen parable anger</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>inner peace in relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>silent treatment psychology</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>podcast on emotional intelligence</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>friendship and boundaries</p>
</li>
</ul>
<h3><br /><br /></h3>
<ul>
<li>
<p>#OurFriendlyWorld</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>#EmotionalIntelligence</p>
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Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.


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<p>Fawn and Matt explore how consciously choosing emotions like safety, joy, support, and abundance can shift outcomes in everything from parenting to workplace dynamics. They dive into real-life examples—from voiceover work and singing lessons to parenting and problem-solving at work—demonstrating how unseen forces and energy truly shape our interactions.</p>
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Fawn and Matt explore how consciously choosing emotions like safety, joy, support, and abundance can shift outcomes in everything from parenting to workplace dynamics. They dive into real-life examples—from voiceover work and singing lessons to parenting and problem-solving at work—demonstrating how unseen forces and energy truly shape our interactions.
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this friendship podcast episode, we explore: Remembering the playground culture and how it transforms our culture.</p>
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<p>They explore how clothing signals identity—how a hoodie or suit can change how you're perceived—and how societal shifts have changed what it means to "look like you belong." From the days when dressing up meant access and respect, to the rise of hoodie culture in tech and casual power dressing, they unpack the hidden layers of presentation and privilege. Matt shares a behind-the-scenes glimpse into the programmer world, where skill trumps style (most of the time), while Fawn reflects on how outfits can influence not only how others treat us, but how we feel about ourselves.</p>
<p>This is a heartful, funny, and insightful look at the silent codes that shape our sense of inclusion and identity.</p>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
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This is a heartful, funny, and insightful look at the silent codes that shape our sense of inclusion and identity.
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<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
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                    <![CDATA[“Perceived Value: In Friendship, Who Decides What (and Who) Is Worth It?”]]>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we explore the powerful concept of <em>perceived value</em>—from currency to careers, and friendship to self-worth.</p>
<p>Fawn recounts a recent conversation with a former finance professional about the legitimacy of crypto vs. the dollar, opening the door to a deeper conversation about how we assign value in society. Together, Fawn and Matt examine how gender, race, profession, and personal behavior all shape the way we are valued—or undervalued—by others.</p>
<p><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
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Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.


How perceived value affects friendship and emotional availability


The evolution of professions like teaching, cooking, and yoga


How systemic biases influence our daily lives and sense of worth


Why some people resist change, innovation, or new paradigms like cryptocurrency


Personal stories of being underestimated or misjudged


Tune in for a raw, real conversation about where value truly comes from—and how we can reframe our worth beyond societal labels.



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                    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we explore the powerful concept of <em>perceived value</em>—from currency to careers, and friendship to self-worth.</p>
<p>Fawn recounts a recent conversation with a former finance professional about the legitimacy of crypto vs. the dollar, opening the door to a deeper conversation about how we assign value in society. Together, Fawn and Matt examine how gender, race, profession, and personal behavior all shape the way we are valued—or undervalued—by others.</p>
<p><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>How perceived value affects friendship and emotional availability</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The evolution of professions like teaching, cooking, and yoga</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How systemic biases influence our daily lives and sense of worth</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Why some people resist change, innovation, or new paradigms like cryptocurrency</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Personal stories of being underestimated or misjudged</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Tune in for a raw, real conversation about where value truly comes from—and how we can reframe our worth beyond societal labels.</p>
<h3><br /><br /></h3>
<ul>
<li>
<p>perceived value</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>friendship and worth</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>societal value systems</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>crypto vs fiat currency</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>gender pay gap</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>racism and bias</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>undervalued professions</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>yoga in America</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>currency and belief systems</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>redefining value</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>#PerceivedValue #FriendshipMatters #RedefineWorth #CryptoVsDollar #SocialBias #ValueBeyondLabels #OurFriendlyWorld #FawnAndMatt #WomenInTheWorkplace #YogaAuthenticity #PodcastEpisode #FriendshipPodcast</p>
<p>#FriendshipPodcast #CryptoConversation #ValueAndWorth #UnpaidLabor #YogaRoots #AyurvedaWisdom #GenderBias #SocialJustice #TheArtOfFriendship #CulturalPerception #FeminineWorth #FriendshipTalk #BlockchainBeliefs #EverydayPhilosophy #VoiceAndValue</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, we explore the powerful concept of perceived value—from currency to careers, and friendship to self-worth.
Fawn recounts a recent conversation with a former finance professional about the legitimacy of crypto vs. the dollar, opening the door to a deeper conversation about how we assign value in society. Together, Fawn and Matt examine how gender, race, profession, and personal behavior all shape the way we are valued—or undervalued—by others.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.


How perceived value affects friendship and emotional availability


The evolution of professions like teaching, cooking, and yoga


How systemic biases influence our daily lives and sense of worth


Why some people resist change, innovation, or new paradigms like cryptocurrency


Personal stories of being underestimated or misjudged


Tune in for a raw, real conversation about where value truly comes from—and how we can reframe our worth beyond societal labels.



perceived value


friendship and worth


societal value systems


crypto vs fiat currency


gender pay gap


racism and bias


undervalued professions


yoga in America


currency and belief systems


redefining value


#PerceivedValue #FriendshipMatters #RedefineWorth #CryptoVsDollar #SocialBias #ValueBeyondLabels #OurFriendlyWorld #FawnAndMatt #WomenInTheWorkplace #YogaAuthenticity #PodcastEpisode #FriendshipPodcast
#FriendshipPodcast #CryptoConversation #ValueAndWorth #UnpaidLabor #YogaRoots #AyurvedaWisdom #GenderBias #SocialJustice #TheArtOfFriendship #CulturalPerception #FeminineWorth #FriendshipTalk #BlockchainBeliefs #EverydayPhilosophy #VoiceAndValue]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Expecting Good Fortune: The Psychology of Possibility and Making Friends and Growing Friendship]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2025 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p><strong>Description:</strong><br />In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, Matt explores the powerful impact of expectation on our lives—from groundbreaking psychology experiments to everyday interactions. He reflects on how believing in good fortune can shape outcomes, shift perspectives, and even change how others respond to us. Through stories about self-reinvention, blind dates, and dodging potholes—literally and metaphorically—Matt shares how we can get out of our own way and start expecting the good.</p>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<p></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>#PowerOfBelief</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>#SelfFulfillingProphecy</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>#MindsetMatters</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>#PositiveExpectations</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>#PsychologyPodcast</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>#GrowthMindset</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>#ExpectGoodThings</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>#OurFriendlyWorld</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>#MattSpeaks</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>#BeliefIsPower</p>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Pygmalion effect psychology</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How beliefs shape reality</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Self-fulfilling prophecy examples</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Expectation and performance</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Positive mindset podcast</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Belief systems and success</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Psychology of perception</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Growth mindset in relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Podcast about self-belief</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Changing your mindset</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><br /><br /></p>]]>
                                    </description>
                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[Description:In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, Matt explores the powerful impact of expectation on our lives—from groundbreaking psychology experiments to everyday interactions. He reflects on how believing in good fortune can shape outcomes, shift perspectives, and even change how others respond to us. Through stories about self-reinvention, blind dates, and dodging potholes—literally and metaphorically—Matt shares how we can get out of our own way and start expecting the good.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.



#PowerOfBelief


#SelfFulfillingProphecy


#MindsetMatters


#PositiveExpectations


#PsychologyPodcast


#GrowthMindset


#ExpectGoodThings


#OurFriendlyWorld


#MattSpeaks


#BeliefIsPower




Pygmalion effect psychology


How beliefs shape reality


Self-fulfilling prophecy examples


Expectation and performance


Positive mindset podcast


Belief systems and success


Psychology of perception


Growth mindset in relationships


Podcast about self-belief


Changing your mindset


]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><strong>Description:</strong><br />In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, Matt explores the powerful impact of expectation on our lives—from groundbreaking psychology experiments to everyday interactions. He reflects on how believing in good fortune can shape outcomes, shift perspectives, and even change how others respond to us. Through stories about self-reinvention, blind dates, and dodging potholes—literally and metaphorically—Matt shares how we can get out of our own way and start expecting the good.</p>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<p></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>#PowerOfBelief</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>#SelfFulfillingProphecy</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>#MindsetMatters</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>#PositiveExpectations</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>#PsychologyPodcast</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>#GrowthMindset</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>#ExpectGoodThings</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>#OurFriendlyWorld</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>#MattSpeaks</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>#BeliefIsPower</p>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Pygmalion effect psychology</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How beliefs shape reality</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Self-fulfilling prophecy examples</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Expectation and performance</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Positive mindset podcast</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Belief systems and success</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Psychology of perception</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Growth mindset in relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Podcast about self-belief</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Changing your mindset</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Description:In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, Matt explores the powerful impact of expectation on our lives—from groundbreaking psychology experiments to everyday interactions. He reflects on how believing in good fortune can shape outcomes, shift perspectives, and even change how others respond to us. Through stories about self-reinvention, blind dates, and dodging potholes—literally and metaphorically—Matt shares how we can get out of our own way and start expecting the good.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.



#PowerOfBelief


#SelfFulfillingProphecy


#MindsetMatters


#PositiveExpectations


#PsychologyPodcast


#GrowthMindset


#ExpectGoodThings


#OurFriendlyWorld


#MattSpeaks


#BeliefIsPower




Pygmalion effect psychology


How beliefs shape reality


Self-fulfilling prophecy examples


Expectation and performance


Positive mindset podcast


Belief systems and success


Psychology of perception


Growth mindset in relationships


Podcast about self-belief


Changing your mindset


]]>
                </itunes:summary>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:14:46</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA["Too Tired for Opportunity: Finding Possibility Through Friendship"]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2025 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this honest and passionate episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, the conversation dives headfirst into the complexities of being open to opportunity—especially when you're tired, overwhelmed, or stuck in survival mode. Fawn begins in a self-proclaimed bad mood and challenges Matt’s optimistic “pithy sayings,” sparking a dynamic and revealing back-and-forth.</p>
<p>Together, they explore what it truly means to be open to possibilities and how deeply ingrained limitations—emotional, societal, financial, or cultural—can hold us back without us even realizing it. From inner "enslavement" to external isolation, they argue that the key to unlocking opportunity isn’t just about hustle or positivity—it’s about connection.</p>
<p>Friendship, they say, is the missing link. Rebuilding community and creating meaningful bonds is how we gain the power to dream, see new paths, and create change. If you’ve ever felt stuck, this episode reminds you that you're not alone—and that together, we can help each other find the courage to move forward.</p>
<h3>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.<br /><br /></h3>
<p> friendship, survival mode, limited beliefs, emotional growth, personal development, opportunity mindset, community building, modern isolation, self-worth, connection, empowerment, support system</p>
<p><br />#FriendshipMatters #OpenToOpportunity #EmotionalGrowth #SurvivalMode #LimitedBeliefs #BuildCommunity #TogetherWeThrive #PersonalDevelopment #FindingSupport #ConnectionIsPower</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this honest and passionate episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, the conversation dives headfirst into the complexities of being open to opportunity—especially when you're tired, overwhelmed, or stuck in survival mode. Fawn begins in a self-proclaimed bad mood and challenges Matt’s optimistic “pithy sayings,” sparking a dynamic and revealing back-and-forth.
Together, they explore what it truly means to be open to possibilities and how deeply ingrained limitations—emotional, societal, financial, or cultural—can hold us back without us even realizing it. From inner "enslavement" to external isolation, they argue that the key to unlocking opportunity isn’t just about hustle or positivity—it’s about connection.
Friendship, they say, is the missing link. Rebuilding community and creating meaningful bonds is how we gain the power to dream, see new paths, and create change. If you’ve ever felt stuck, this episode reminds you that you're not alone—and that together, we can help each other find the courage to move forward.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.
 friendship, survival mode, limited beliefs, emotional growth, personal development, opportunity mindset, community building, modern isolation, self-worth, connection, empowerment, support system
#FriendshipMatters #OpenToOpportunity #EmotionalGrowth #SurvivalMode #LimitedBeliefs #BuildCommunity #TogetherWeThrive #PersonalDevelopment #FindingSupport #ConnectionIsPower
]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>In this honest and passionate episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, the conversation dives headfirst into the complexities of being open to opportunity—especially when you're tired, overwhelmed, or stuck in survival mode. Fawn begins in a self-proclaimed bad mood and challenges Matt’s optimistic “pithy sayings,” sparking a dynamic and revealing back-and-forth.</p>
<p>Together, they explore what it truly means to be open to possibilities and how deeply ingrained limitations—emotional, societal, financial, or cultural—can hold us back without us even realizing it. From inner "enslavement" to external isolation, they argue that the key to unlocking opportunity isn’t just about hustle or positivity—it’s about connection.</p>
<p>Friendship, they say, is the missing link. Rebuilding community and creating meaningful bonds is how we gain the power to dream, see new paths, and create change. If you’ve ever felt stuck, this episode reminds you that you're not alone—and that together, we can help each other find the courage to move forward.</p>
<h3>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.<br /><br /></h3>
<p> friendship, survival mode, limited beliefs, emotional growth, personal development, opportunity mindset, community building, modern isolation, self-worth, connection, empowerment, support system</p>
<p><br />#FriendshipMatters #OpenToOpportunity #EmotionalGrowth #SurvivalMode #LimitedBeliefs #BuildCommunity #TogetherWeThrive #PersonalDevelopment #FindingSupport #ConnectionIsPower</p>
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                    <![CDATA[In this honest and passionate episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, the conversation dives headfirst into the complexities of being open to opportunity—especially when you're tired, overwhelmed, or stuck in survival mode. Fawn begins in a self-proclaimed bad mood and challenges Matt’s optimistic “pithy sayings,” sparking a dynamic and revealing back-and-forth.
Together, they explore what it truly means to be open to possibilities and how deeply ingrained limitations—emotional, societal, financial, or cultural—can hold us back without us even realizing it. From inner "enslavement" to external isolation, they argue that the key to unlocking opportunity isn’t just about hustle or positivity—it’s about connection.
Friendship, they say, is the missing link. Rebuilding community and creating meaningful bonds is how we gain the power to dream, see new paths, and create change. If you’ve ever felt stuck, this episode reminds you that you're not alone—and that together, we can help each other find the courage to move forward.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.
 friendship, survival mode, limited beliefs, emotional growth, personal development, opportunity mindset, community building, modern isolation, self-worth, connection, empowerment, support system
#FriendshipMatters #OpenToOpportunity #EmotionalGrowth #SurvivalMode #LimitedBeliefs #BuildCommunity #TogetherWeThrive #PersonalDevelopment #FindingSupport #ConnectionIsPower
]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The Spiritual Purchase Order: Letting Go and Trusting the Universe to Make Lasting Friendships]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2025 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<h3><strong></strong></h3>
<p>In this short and soulful episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we explore the concept of a <em>purchase order</em>—not just in business, but as a spiritual tool. After offering a beautiful multimedia gift to a budding entrepreneur with no return or even acknowledgment, Fawn wrestles with feelings of resentment. With Matt’s wise words and a serendipitous message from the universe, she learns to shift the energy from expectation to liberation. Discover how writing a symbolic “purchase order” to the universe can release negative emotions and invite abundance back into your life in the most unexpected ways.</p>
<h3><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</h3>
<ul>
<li>
<p>spiritual business practices</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>letting go of resentment</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>purchase order meaning</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>karma in business</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>ethical entrepreneurship</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>abundance mindset</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>manifesting compensation</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>trust the universe</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>giving without expectation</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>multimedia entrepreneurship</p>
</li>
</ul>
<h3><br /><br /></h3>
<p>#LetGoAndLetGod<br />#SpiritualBusiness<br />#AbundanceMindset<br />#KarmaInBusiness<br />#UniversalLaws<br />#PurchaseOrderToTheUniverse<br />#OurFriendlyWorld<br />#HeartCenteredEntrepreneurship<br />#GiveWithoutExpectation<br />#TrustTheProcess</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><strong>Quote:</strong><br /><em>"When you give from the heart, write a purchase order to the universe—then let it go. The return may not come from who you expect, but it will come."</em> — Fawn, <em>Our Friendly World</em></p>]]>
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In this short and soulful episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, we explore the concept of a purchase order—not just in business, but as a spiritual tool. After offering a beautiful multimedia gift to a budding entrepreneur with no return or even acknowledgment, Fawn wrestles with feelings of resentment. With Matt’s wise words and a serendipitous message from the universe, she learns to shift the energy from expectation to liberation. Discover how writing a symbolic “purchase order” to the universe can release negative emotions and invite abundance back into your life in the most unexpected ways.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.


spiritual business practices


letting go of resentment


purchase order meaning


karma in business


ethical entrepreneurship


abundance mindset


manifesting compensation


trust the universe


giving without expectation


multimedia entrepreneurship



#LetGoAndLetGod#SpiritualBusiness#AbundanceMindset#KarmaInBusiness#UniversalLaws#PurchaseOrderToTheUniverse#OurFriendlyWorld#HeartCenteredEntrepreneurship#GiveWithoutExpectation#TrustTheProcess

Quote:"When you give from the heart, write a purchase order to the universe—then let it go. The return may not come from who you expect, but it will come." — Fawn, Our Friendly World]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<h3><strong></strong></h3>
<p>In this short and soulful episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we explore the concept of a <em>purchase order</em>—not just in business, but as a spiritual tool. After offering a beautiful multimedia gift to a budding entrepreneur with no return or even acknowledgment, Fawn wrestles with feelings of resentment. With Matt’s wise words and a serendipitous message from the universe, she learns to shift the energy from expectation to liberation. Discover how writing a symbolic “purchase order” to the universe can release negative emotions and invite abundance back into your life in the most unexpected ways.</p>
<h3><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</h3>
<ul>
<li>
<p>spiritual business practices</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>letting go of resentment</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>purchase order meaning</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>karma in business</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>ethical entrepreneurship</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>abundance mindset</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>manifesting compensation</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>trust the universe</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>giving without expectation</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>multimedia entrepreneurship</p>
</li>
</ul>
<h3><br /><br /></h3>
<p>#LetGoAndLetGod<br />#SpiritualBusiness<br />#AbundanceMindset<br />#KarmaInBusiness<br />#UniversalLaws<br />#PurchaseOrderToTheUniverse<br />#OurFriendlyWorld<br />#HeartCenteredEntrepreneurship<br />#GiveWithoutExpectation<br />#TrustTheProcess</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><strong>Quote:</strong><br /><em>"When you give from the heart, write a purchase order to the universe—then let it go. The return may not come from who you expect, but it will come."</em> — Fawn, <em>Our Friendly World</em></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[
In this short and soulful episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, we explore the concept of a purchase order—not just in business, but as a spiritual tool. After offering a beautiful multimedia gift to a budding entrepreneur with no return or even acknowledgment, Fawn wrestles with feelings of resentment. With Matt’s wise words and a serendipitous message from the universe, she learns to shift the energy from expectation to liberation. Discover how writing a symbolic “purchase order” to the universe can release negative emotions and invite abundance back into your life in the most unexpected ways.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.


spiritual business practices


letting go of resentment


purchase order meaning


karma in business


ethical entrepreneurship


abundance mindset


manifesting compensation


trust the universe


giving without expectation


multimedia entrepreneurship



#LetGoAndLetGod#SpiritualBusiness#AbundanceMindset#KarmaInBusiness#UniversalLaws#PurchaseOrderToTheUniverse#OurFriendlyWorld#HeartCenteredEntrepreneurship#GiveWithoutExpectation#TrustTheProcess

Quote:"When you give from the heart, write a purchase order to the universe—then let it go. The return may not come from who you expect, but it will come." — Fawn, Our Friendly World]]>
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                                                    <itunes:author>
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                    <![CDATA[The Art of Friendship and Reclaiming Power: From Road Trips to Fart Rays]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2025 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, Fawn opens up about a quiet moment on a road trip that sparked a deep realization — are we always trying to <em>get</em> something from life, or can we instead <em>offer</em> something to the world around us? This thought leads to a bigger discussion about what true power looks like, especially in times when we feel stripped of it — whether in the workplace, society, or even in friendships.</p>
<p>Matt shares how he reclaims power at work by actively managing relationships with his bosses, while Fawn reflects on shifting from fear-based living to empowered presence. Together, they explore ways to restore personal strength through meditation, humor, grounding, and even novelty items like a toy fart ray and a "no-button."</p>
<p>From the serious to the silly, this episode reminds us that power can be reclaimed in both grand and simple ways — and that offering, rather than taking, may be one of the most powerful acts of all.</p>
<h3><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</h3>
<ul>
<li>
<p>reclaiming personal power</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>friendship and empowerment</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>mindful living</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>setting boundaries</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>workplace dynamics</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>emotional resilience</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>power in relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>self-awareness</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>grounding techniques</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>healing through humor</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>meditation and empowerment</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>self-reflection</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>finding strength</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>connection and community</p>
</li>
</ul>
<h3><br /><br /></h3>
<p>#PodcastLife<br />#EmpowerYourself<br />#ReclaimYourPower<br />#FriendshipMatters<br />#AuthenticConnections<br />#MindfulLiving<br />#EmotionalWellness<br />#SelfAwarenessJourney<br />#InnerStrength<br />#PowerOfReflection</p>
<p>#WorkplaceWisdom<br />#ProfessionalBoundaries<br />#OwnYourPower<br />#SpeakUpAtWork<br />#HealthyWorkCulture<br />#ManageUp</p>
<h4>#Healing &amp; Grounding</h4>
<p>#HealingTools<br />#GroundingPractice<br />#Earthing<br />#MeditationTime<br />#MusicTherapy<br />#NatureHeals</p>
<h4>#Humor &amp; Relatability</h4>
<p>#LaughterHeals<br />#FartRayPower<br />#HumorIsHealing<br />#SillyButStrong</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>]]>
                                    </description>
                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, Fawn opens up about a quiet moment on a road trip that sparked a deep realization — are we always trying to get something from life, or can we instead offer something to the world around us? This thought leads to a bigger discussion about what true power looks like, especially in times when we feel stripped of it — whether in the workplace, society, or even in friendships.
Matt shares how he reclaims power at work by actively managing relationships with his bosses, while Fawn reflects on shifting from fear-based living to empowered presence. Together, they explore ways to restore personal strength through meditation, humor, grounding, and even novelty items like a toy fart ray and a "no-button."
From the serious to the silly, this episode reminds us that power can be reclaimed in both grand and simple ways — and that offering, rather than taking, may be one of the most powerful acts of all.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.


reclaiming personal power


friendship and empowerment


mindful living


setting boundaries


workplace dynamics


emotional resilience


power in relationships


self-awareness


grounding techniques


healing through humor


meditation and empowerment


self-reflection


finding strength


connection and community



#PodcastLife#EmpowerYourself#ReclaimYourPower#FriendshipMatters#AuthenticConnections#MindfulLiving#EmotionalWellness#SelfAwarenessJourney#InnerStrength#PowerOfReflection
#WorkplaceWisdom#ProfessionalBoundaries#OwnYourPower#SpeakUpAtWork#HealthyWorkCulture#ManageUp
#Healing & Grounding
#HealingTools#GroundingPractice#Earthing#MeditationTime#MusicTherapy#NatureHeals
#Humor & Relatability
#LaughterHeals#FartRayPower#HumorIsHealing#SillyButStrong
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                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[The Art of Friendship and Reclaiming Power: From Road Trips to Fart Rays]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, Fawn opens up about a quiet moment on a road trip that sparked a deep realization — are we always trying to <em>get</em> something from life, or can we instead <em>offer</em> something to the world around us? This thought leads to a bigger discussion about what true power looks like, especially in times when we feel stripped of it — whether in the workplace, society, or even in friendships.</p>
<p>Matt shares how he reclaims power at work by actively managing relationships with his bosses, while Fawn reflects on shifting from fear-based living to empowered presence. Together, they explore ways to restore personal strength through meditation, humor, grounding, and even novelty items like a toy fart ray and a "no-button."</p>
<p>From the serious to the silly, this episode reminds us that power can be reclaimed in both grand and simple ways — and that offering, rather than taking, may be one of the most powerful acts of all.</p>
<h3><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</h3>
<ul>
<li>
<p>reclaiming personal power</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>friendship and empowerment</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>mindful living</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>setting boundaries</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>workplace dynamics</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>emotional resilience</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>power in relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>self-awareness</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>grounding techniques</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>healing through humor</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>meditation and empowerment</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>self-reflection</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>finding strength</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>connection and community</p>
</li>
</ul>
<h3><br /><br /></h3>
<p>#PodcastLife<br />#EmpowerYourself<br />#ReclaimYourPower<br />#FriendshipMatters<br />#AuthenticConnections<br />#MindfulLiving<br />#EmotionalWellness<br />#SelfAwarenessJourney<br />#InnerStrength<br />#PowerOfReflection</p>
<p>#WorkplaceWisdom<br />#ProfessionalBoundaries<br />#OwnYourPower<br />#SpeakUpAtWork<br />#HealthyWorkCulture<br />#ManageUp</p>
<h4>#Healing &amp; Grounding</h4>
<p>#HealingTools<br />#GroundingPractice<br />#Earthing<br />#MeditationTime<br />#MusicTherapy<br />#NatureHeals</p>
<h4>#Humor &amp; Relatability</h4>
<p>#LaughterHeals<br />#FartRayPower<br />#HumorIsHealing<br />#SillyButStrong</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                                <itunes:summary>
                    <![CDATA[In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, Fawn opens up about a quiet moment on a road trip that sparked a deep realization — are we always trying to get something from life, or can we instead offer something to the world around us? This thought leads to a bigger discussion about what true power looks like, especially in times when we feel stripped of it — whether in the workplace, society, or even in friendships.
Matt shares how he reclaims power at work by actively managing relationships with his bosses, while Fawn reflects on shifting from fear-based living to empowered presence. Together, they explore ways to restore personal strength through meditation, humor, grounding, and even novelty items like a toy fart ray and a "no-button."
From the serious to the silly, this episode reminds us that power can be reclaimed in both grand and simple ways — and that offering, rather than taking, may be one of the most powerful acts of all.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.


reclaiming personal power


friendship and empowerment


mindful living


setting boundaries


workplace dynamics


emotional resilience


power in relationships


self-awareness


grounding techniques


healing through humor


meditation and empowerment


self-reflection


finding strength


connection and community



#PodcastLife#EmpowerYourself#ReclaimYourPower#FriendshipMatters#AuthenticConnections#MindfulLiving#EmotionalWellness#SelfAwarenessJourney#InnerStrength#PowerOfReflection
#WorkplaceWisdom#ProfessionalBoundaries#OwnYourPower#SpeakUpAtWork#HealthyWorkCulture#ManageUp
#Healing & Grounding
#HealingTools#GroundingPractice#Earthing#MeditationTime#MusicTherapy#NatureHeals
#Humor & Relatability
#LaughterHeals#FartRayPower#HumorIsHealing#SillyButStrong
]]>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:26:02</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                <title>
                    <![CDATA[Timeless: Surfing the Swirl of a Rapid Reality Within Friendships]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2025 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/timeless-surfing-the-swirl-of-a-rapid-reality</link>
                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>Is time speeding up, or are we just busier than ever? In this short but deep episode of <em>Our Friendly World</em>, Fawn and Matt explore the mysterious sensation that time is slipping through our fingers. From conversations that fly by in an instant to childhood memories that feel strangely recent, Fawn shares her intuitive sense that something much bigger might be happening—a spiritual or quantum shift in how we experience time.</p>
<p>Matt offers a more grounded perspective, diving into how multitasking and modern life might be contributing to our sense of time distortion. The result is a heartfelt, funny, and slightly philosophical conversation about aging, staying flexible (in body and mind!), and learning to go with the flow—even when life feels like a fast-moving current.</p>
<p>Whether you're a Trekkie, a time skeptic, or just someone who wonders where the week went, this episode invites you to reflect, stay chill, and ride the wave of now.</p>
<h3>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.<br /><br /></h3>
<ul>
<li>
<p>time perception</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>why time feels faster</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>time is speeding up</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>quantum time shift</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>spiritual shift in time</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>go with the flow mindset</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how to stay flexible with age</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>mindfulness and time</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>time distortion phenomenon</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Fawn and Matt podcast</p>
</li>
</ul>
<h3><br /><br /></h3>
<p>#TimeIsWeird #GoWithTheFlow #Timeless #QuantumTime #SpiritualShift #Mindfulness #StayFlexible #FawnAndMatt #OurFriendlyWorld #PodcastWisdom #TimePerception #TimeShift</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>]]>
                                    </description>
                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[Is time speeding up, or are we just busier than ever? In this short but deep episode of Our Friendly World, Fawn and Matt explore the mysterious sensation that time is slipping through our fingers. From conversations that fly by in an instant to childhood memories that feel strangely recent, Fawn shares her intuitive sense that something much bigger might be happening—a spiritual or quantum shift in how we experience time.
Matt offers a more grounded perspective, diving into how multitasking and modern life might be contributing to our sense of time distortion. The result is a heartfelt, funny, and slightly philosophical conversation about aging, staying flexible (in body and mind!), and learning to go with the flow—even when life feels like a fast-moving current.
Whether you're a Trekkie, a time skeptic, or just someone who wonders where the week went, this episode invites you to reflect, stay chill, and ride the wave of now.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.


time perception


why time feels faster


time is speeding up


quantum time shift


spiritual shift in time


go with the flow mindset


how to stay flexible with age


mindfulness and time


time distortion phenomenon


Fawn and Matt podcast



#TimeIsWeird #GoWithTheFlow #Timeless #QuantumTime #SpiritualShift #Mindfulness #StayFlexible #FawnAndMatt #OurFriendlyWorld #PodcastWisdom #TimePerception #TimeShift
]]>
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                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[Timeless: Surfing the Swirl of a Rapid Reality Within Friendships]]>
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                                                <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
                <content:encoded>
                    <![CDATA[<p>Is time speeding up, or are we just busier than ever? In this short but deep episode of <em>Our Friendly World</em>, Fawn and Matt explore the mysterious sensation that time is slipping through our fingers. From conversations that fly by in an instant to childhood memories that feel strangely recent, Fawn shares her intuitive sense that something much bigger might be happening—a spiritual or quantum shift in how we experience time.</p>
<p>Matt offers a more grounded perspective, diving into how multitasking and modern life might be contributing to our sense of time distortion. The result is a heartfelt, funny, and slightly philosophical conversation about aging, staying flexible (in body and mind!), and learning to go with the flow—even when life feels like a fast-moving current.</p>
<p>Whether you're a Trekkie, a time skeptic, or just someone who wonders where the week went, this episode invites you to reflect, stay chill, and ride the wave of now.</p>
<h3>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.<br /><br /></h3>
<ul>
<li>
<p>time perception</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>why time feels faster</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>time is speeding up</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>quantum time shift</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>spiritual shift in time</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>go with the flow mindset</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how to stay flexible with age</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>mindfulness and time</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>time distortion phenomenon</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Fawn and Matt podcast</p>
</li>
</ul>
<h3><br /><br /></h3>
<p>#TimeIsWeird #GoWithTheFlow #Timeless #QuantumTime #SpiritualShift #Mindfulness #StayFlexible #FawnAndMatt #OurFriendlyWorld #PodcastWisdom #TimePerception #TimeShift</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                                <itunes:summary>
                    <![CDATA[Is time speeding up, or are we just busier than ever? In this short but deep episode of Our Friendly World, Fawn and Matt explore the mysterious sensation that time is slipping through our fingers. From conversations that fly by in an instant to childhood memories that feel strangely recent, Fawn shares her intuitive sense that something much bigger might be happening—a spiritual or quantum shift in how we experience time.
Matt offers a more grounded perspective, diving into how multitasking and modern life might be contributing to our sense of time distortion. The result is a heartfelt, funny, and slightly philosophical conversation about aging, staying flexible (in body and mind!), and learning to go with the flow—even when life feels like a fast-moving current.
Whether you're a Trekkie, a time skeptic, or just someone who wonders where the week went, this episode invites you to reflect, stay chill, and ride the wave of now.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.


time perception


why time feels faster


time is speeding up


quantum time shift


spiritual shift in time


go with the flow mindset


how to stay flexible with age


mindfulness and time


time distortion phenomenon


Fawn and Matt podcast



#TimeIsWeird #GoWithTheFlow #Timeless #QuantumTime #SpiritualShift #Mindfulness #StayFlexible #FawnAndMatt #OurFriendlyWorld #PodcastWisdom #TimePerception #TimeShift
]]>
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                    <![CDATA[“Revisiting the Art of Friendship: Core Values, Disappointments, and Growth”]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2025 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>This week, we explore the evolving nature of friendship—especially during times of uncertainty and change. Fawn opens up about feeling emotionally stuck and questioning the effort it takes to maintain friendships, while Matt reflects on the foundational values that sustain meaningful relationships. Together, they revisit a list of core friendship values like trust, honesty, empathy, and growth. The conversation unpacks the complexities of setting expectations, the sting of misunderstanding, and how contrast in relationships can offer clarity. Whether you're navigating a friend breakup, redefining your boundaries, or just feeling disheartened, this episode offers a compassionate space to reflect on what we truly want from our connections.</p>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<p><br />#FriendshipValues #EmotionalGrowth #NavigatingFriendship #HonestConversations #CoreValues #FriendshipBreakup #PersonalGrowthJourney #RelationshipBoundaries #TrustAndEmpathy #FriendshipPodcast #OurFriendlyWorld #FawnAndMatt #HealingThroughConnection #FriendshipStruggles #BuildingMeaningfulConnections</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><em>"Sometimes the contrast is what shows you what matters most in a friendship—what you're willing to grow for, and what you're not willing to accept anymore."</em><br />— Fawn, <em>Our Friendly World</em></p>
<p><br />Have you ever felt disheartened in a friendship? This week, Fawn and Matt revisit what really matters in relationships—from trust and empathy to the courage it takes to let go. Join us for a raw, compassionate conversation about friendship, growth, and clarity.<br />Listen now to <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em> <br />#FriendshipValues #HealingThroughConnection #OurFriendlyWorld</p>]]>
                                    </description>
                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[This week, we explore the evolving nature of friendship—especially during times of uncertainty and change. Fawn opens up about feeling emotionally stuck and questioning the effort it takes to maintain friendships, while Matt reflects on the foundational values that sustain meaningful relationships. Together, they revisit a list of core friendship values like trust, honesty, empathy, and growth. The conversation unpacks the complexities of setting expectations, the sting of misunderstanding, and how contrast in relationships can offer clarity. Whether you're navigating a friend breakup, redefining your boundaries, or just feeling disheartened, this episode offers a compassionate space to reflect on what we truly want from our connections.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.
#FriendshipValues #EmotionalGrowth #NavigatingFriendship #HonestConversations #CoreValues #FriendshipBreakup #PersonalGrowthJourney #RelationshipBoundaries #TrustAndEmpathy #FriendshipPodcast #OurFriendlyWorld #FawnAndMatt #HealingThroughConnection #FriendshipStruggles #BuildingMeaningfulConnections

"Sometimes the contrast is what shows you what matters most in a friendship—what you're willing to grow for, and what you're not willing to accept anymore."— Fawn, Our Friendly World
Have you ever felt disheartened in a friendship? This week, Fawn and Matt revisit what really matters in relationships—from trust and empathy to the courage it takes to let go. Join us for a raw, compassionate conversation about friendship, growth, and clarity.Listen now to Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt #FriendshipValues #HealingThroughConnection #OurFriendlyWorld]]>
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                    <![CDATA[“Revisiting the Art of Friendship: Core Values, Disappointments, and Growth”]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>This week, we explore the evolving nature of friendship—especially during times of uncertainty and change. Fawn opens up about feeling emotionally stuck and questioning the effort it takes to maintain friendships, while Matt reflects on the foundational values that sustain meaningful relationships. Together, they revisit a list of core friendship values like trust, honesty, empathy, and growth. The conversation unpacks the complexities of setting expectations, the sting of misunderstanding, and how contrast in relationships can offer clarity. Whether you're navigating a friend breakup, redefining your boundaries, or just feeling disheartened, this episode offers a compassionate space to reflect on what we truly want from our connections.</p>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<p><br />#FriendshipValues #EmotionalGrowth #NavigatingFriendship #HonestConversations #CoreValues #FriendshipBreakup #PersonalGrowthJourney #RelationshipBoundaries #TrustAndEmpathy #FriendshipPodcast #OurFriendlyWorld #FawnAndMatt #HealingThroughConnection #FriendshipStruggles #BuildingMeaningfulConnections</p>
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<p><em>"Sometimes the contrast is what shows you what matters most in a friendship—what you're willing to grow for, and what you're not willing to accept anymore."</em><br />— Fawn, <em>Our Friendly World</em></p>
<p><br />Have you ever felt disheartened in a friendship? This week, Fawn and Matt revisit what really matters in relationships—from trust and empathy to the courage it takes to let go. Join us for a raw, compassionate conversation about friendship, growth, and clarity.<br />Listen now to <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em> <br />#FriendshipValues #HealingThroughConnection #OurFriendlyWorld</p>]]>
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Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.
#FriendshipValues #EmotionalGrowth #NavigatingFriendship #HonestConversations #CoreValues #FriendshipBreakup #PersonalGrowthJourney #RelationshipBoundaries #TrustAndEmpathy #FriendshipPodcast #OurFriendlyWorld #FawnAndMatt #HealingThroughConnection #FriendshipStruggles #BuildingMeaningfulConnections

"Sometimes the contrast is what shows you what matters most in a friendship—what you're willing to grow for, and what you're not willing to accept anymore."— Fawn, Our Friendly World
Have you ever felt disheartened in a friendship? This week, Fawn and Matt revisit what really matters in relationships—from trust and empathy to the courage it takes to let go. Join us for a raw, compassionate conversation about friendship, growth, and clarity.Listen now to Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt #FriendshipValues #HealingThroughConnection #OurFriendlyWorld]]>
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                    <![CDATA["What Is Cool, Really? How Does this Concept Change Friendship"]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2025 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this podcast on the art of friendship, and within this candid and fiery episode of <em>Our Friendly World</em>, Fawn and Matt deconstruct the elusive concept of “cool” — from childhood memories of Snoopy’s Joe Cool to painful moments of judgment in adulthood. Fawn opens up about a recent voiceover experience that triggered old wounds from the photography world, where she was dismissed for not being “cool enough.” The conversation dives into how perceptions of coolness limit friendships, fuel imposter syndrome, and distort how we see ourselves and others. Matt shares his own vulnerable moment of thinking Fawn was "too cool" for him — and how love, presence, and humanity break through those false beliefs.<br />This is a raw, empowering episode that challenges societal norms, reclaims identity, and reminds us all that cool can't be defined — because authenticity is the real power.</p>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
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<p>art world rejection</p>
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<p>friendship and identity</p>
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<p>podcast about belonging</p>
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<p>redefining beauty and worth</p>
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<li>
<p>our friendly world podcast</p>
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<p>#WhatIsCool #AuthenticityMatters #OurFriendlyWorld #PodcastCommunity #VoiceoverLife #RedefineCool #InnerStrength #ArtWorldStories #ImposterSyndrome #BeYourself #HealingThroughConversation #RealTalkPodcast #BreakingStereotypes #FriendshipGoals #CoolnessIsSubjective #PodcastAboutLife #EmpathyAndGrowth</p>
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Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.



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authenticity vs image


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imposter syndrome


personal growth podcast


breaking stereotypes


emotional resilience


friendship and identity


podcast about belonging


redefining beauty and worth


our friendly world podcast


#WhatIsCool #AuthenticityMatters #OurFriendlyWorld #PodcastCommunity #VoiceoverLife #RedefineCool #InnerStrength #ArtWorldStories #ImposterSyndrome #BeYourself #HealingThroughConversation #RealTalkPodcast #BreakingStereotypes #FriendshipGoals #CoolnessIsSubjective #PodcastAboutLife #EmpathyAndGrowth
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<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<p></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>what is cool</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>defining coolness</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>authenticity vs image</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>voiceover industry stories</p>
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<li>
<p>art world rejection</p>
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<li>
<p>imposter syndrome</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>personal growth podcast</p>
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<li>
<p>breaking stereotypes</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>emotional resilience</p>
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<li>
<p>friendship and identity</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>podcast about belonging</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>redefining beauty and worth</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>our friendly world podcast</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>#WhatIsCool #AuthenticityMatters #OurFriendlyWorld #PodcastCommunity #VoiceoverLife #RedefineCool #InnerStrength #ArtWorldStories #ImposterSyndrome #BeYourself #HealingThroughConversation #RealTalkPodcast #BreakingStereotypes #FriendshipGoals #CoolnessIsSubjective #PodcastAboutLife #EmpathyAndGrowth</p>
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Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.



what is cool


defining coolness


authenticity vs image


voiceover industry stories


art world rejection


imposter syndrome


personal growth podcast


breaking stereotypes


emotional resilience


friendship and identity


podcast about belonging


redefining beauty and worth


our friendly world podcast


#WhatIsCool #AuthenticityMatters #OurFriendlyWorld #PodcastCommunity #VoiceoverLife #RedefineCool #InnerStrength #ArtWorldStories #ImposterSyndrome #BeYourself #HealingThroughConversation #RealTalkPodcast #BreakingStereotypes #FriendshipGoals #CoolnessIsSubjective #PodcastAboutLife #EmpathyAndGrowth
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                    <![CDATA[Through the Lens: How We See Ourselves, Each Other and How We See Friendship]]>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><strong>Through the Lens: How We See Ourselves and Each Other</strong></p>
<p><br />Why do we cringe at the sound of our own voice or shy away from being photographed? In this episode, Fawn and Matt explore the emotional and psychological layers behind self-perception and how we interpret one another. From the science of hearing your voice through bone and muscle to the deeply spiritual experience of being seen—truly seen—through a camera lens, this episode invites listeners to question the filters we all carry. Fawn shares vulnerable stories from her journey as a photographer and voice actor, revealing how intention, empathy, and awareness can shift how we show up in the world and connect with others. Join the conversation on how perception shapes reality—and friendship.</p>
<p><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<p>Fawn and Matt unpack the emotional complexity behind how we perceive ourselves—through voice, photographs, and the often-invisible space in between. From the discomfort of hearing your own voice to the shock of seeing yourself in a photo, Fawn shares deeply personal experiences as a professional photographer and communicator. The conversation explores how filters—emotional, cultural, and even spiritual—affect not just how we see others, but how we interpret what they project. Together, Fawn and Matt dive into the unseen universes between people, shedding light on empathy, identity, and the art of truly seeing. A powerful reflection on presence, authenticity, and how being mindful of the “in-between” can reshape our relationships and the world around us.</p>
<p><br />self-perception, sound of your voice, why we hate our voice, being photographed, voice actor insight, photography and emotion, how others see us, friendship and self-image, perception and reality, emotional awareness, storytelling through photography, authenticity, vulnerability, ego and identity, mindful communication</p>
<p><br />#SelfPerception #Authenticity #VoiceAwareness #PhotographyWithHeart #MindfulCommunication #PerceptionVsReality #EmotionalIntelligence #BeSeenBeHeard #FriendshipMatters #VulnerabilityIsStrength #ThroughTheLens #ConsciousCreativity #OurFriendlyWorld #PodcastWisdom #VoiceActorLife</p>
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<li>
<p>why we hate our voice</p>
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<li>
<p>fear of being photographed</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>authenticity and self-awareness</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>voice perception psychology</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>photography and emotional truth</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>mindful communication</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>seeing others clearly</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>empathy and human connection</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how we perceive ourselves</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Fawn and Matt podcast</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>friendship and presence</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>artistic interpretation in photography</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>self-image vs. external image</p>
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<h3><br /><br /></h3>
<p>#PerceptionMatters<br />#SelfImage<br />#VoiceAwareness<br />#PhotographyAndEmotion<br />#HumanConnection<br />#AuthenticityInFriendship<br />#MindfulLiving<br />#EmpathyInAction<br />#SeeBeyondTheSurface<br />#PodcastOnPresence<br />#FawnAndMatt<br />#ArtOfFriendship<br />#PodcastEpisode<br />#SelfAwarenessJourney</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>“There are entire universes happening between the lens and the subject—what we see isn’t always what <em>is</em>.” – Fawn</p>
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                    <![CDATA[Through the Lens: How We See Ourselves and Each Other
Why do we cringe at the sound of our own voice or shy away from being photographed? In this episode, Fawn and Matt explore the emotional and psychological layers behind self-perception and how we interpret one another. From the science of hearing your voice through bone and muscle to the deeply spiritual experience of being seen—truly seen—through a camera lens, this episode invites listeners to question the filters we all carry. Fawn shares vulnerable stories from her journey as a photographer and voice actor, revealing how intention, empathy, and awareness can shift how we show up in the world and connect with others. Join the conversation on how perception shapes reality—and friendship.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.
Fawn and Matt unpack the emotional complexity behind how we perceive ourselves—through voice, photographs, and the often-invisible space in between. From the discomfort of hearing your own voice to the shock of seeing yourself in a photo, Fawn shares deeply personal experiences as a professional photographer and communicator. The conversation explores how filters—emotional, cultural, and even spiritual—affect not just how we see others, but how we interpret what they project. Together, Fawn and Matt dive into the unseen universes between people, shedding light on empathy, identity, and the art of truly seeing. A powerful reflection on presence, authenticity, and how being mindful of the “in-between” can reshape our relationships and the world around us.
self-perception, sound of your voice, why we hate our voice, being photographed, voice actor insight, photography and emotion, how others see us, friendship and self-image, perception and reality, emotional awareness, storytelling through photography, authenticity, vulnerability, ego and identity, mindful communication
#SelfPerception #Authenticity #VoiceAwareness #PhotographyWithHeart #MindfulCommunication #PerceptionVsReality #EmotionalIntelligence #BeSeenBeHeard #FriendshipMatters #VulnerabilityIsStrength #ThroughTheLens #ConsciousCreativity #OurFriendlyWorld #PodcastWisdom #VoiceActorLife




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why we hate our voice


fear of being photographed


authenticity and self-awareness


voice perception psychology


photography and emotional truth


mindful communication


seeing others clearly


empathy and human connection


how we perceive ourselves


Fawn and Matt podcast


friendship and presence


artistic interpretation in photography


self-image vs. external image



#PerceptionMatters#SelfImage#VoiceAwareness#PhotographyAndEmotion#HumanConnection#AuthenticityInFriendship#MindfulLiving#EmpathyInAction#SeeBeyondTheSurface#PodcastOnPresence#FawnAndMatt#ArtOfFriendship#PodcastEpisode#SelfAwarenessJourney

“There are entire universes happening between the lens and the subject—what we see isn’t always what is.” – Fawn
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<p><br />Why do we cringe at the sound of our own voice or shy away from being photographed? In this episode, Fawn and Matt explore the emotional and psychological layers behind self-perception and how we interpret one another. From the science of hearing your voice through bone and muscle to the deeply spiritual experience of being seen—truly seen—through a camera lens, this episode invites listeners to question the filters we all carry. Fawn shares vulnerable stories from her journey as a photographer and voice actor, revealing how intention, empathy, and awareness can shift how we show up in the world and connect with others. Join the conversation on how perception shapes reality—and friendship.</p>
<p><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<p>Fawn and Matt unpack the emotional complexity behind how we perceive ourselves—through voice, photographs, and the often-invisible space in between. From the discomfort of hearing your own voice to the shock of seeing yourself in a photo, Fawn shares deeply personal experiences as a professional photographer and communicator. The conversation explores how filters—emotional, cultural, and even spiritual—affect not just how we see others, but how we interpret what they project. Together, Fawn and Matt dive into the unseen universes between people, shedding light on empathy, identity, and the art of truly seeing. A powerful reflection on presence, authenticity, and how being mindful of the “in-between” can reshape our relationships and the world around us.</p>
<p><br />self-perception, sound of your voice, why we hate our voice, being photographed, voice actor insight, photography and emotion, how others see us, friendship and self-image, perception and reality, emotional awareness, storytelling through photography, authenticity, vulnerability, ego and identity, mindful communication</p>
<p><br />#SelfPerception #Authenticity #VoiceAwareness #PhotographyWithHeart #MindfulCommunication #PerceptionVsReality #EmotionalIntelligence #BeSeenBeHeard #FriendshipMatters #VulnerabilityIsStrength #ThroughTheLens #ConsciousCreativity #OurFriendlyWorld #PodcastWisdom #VoiceActorLife</p>
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<h3><br /><br /></h3>
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<li>
<p>perception and identity</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>why we hate our voice</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>fear of being photographed</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>authenticity and self-awareness</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>voice perception psychology</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>photography and emotional truth</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>mindful communication</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>seeing others clearly</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>empathy and human connection</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>how we perceive ourselves</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Fawn and Matt podcast</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>friendship and presence</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>artistic interpretation in photography</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>self-image vs. external image</p>
</li>
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<h3><br /><br /></h3>
<p>#PerceptionMatters<br />#SelfImage<br />#VoiceAwareness<br />#PhotographyAndEmotion<br />#HumanConnection<br />#AuthenticityInFriendship<br />#MindfulLiving<br />#EmpathyInAction<br />#SeeBeyondTheSurface<br />#PodcastOnPresence<br />#FawnAndMatt<br />#ArtOfFriendship<br />#PodcastEpisode<br />#SelfAwarenessJourney</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>“There are entire universes happening between the lens and the subject—what we see isn’t always what <em>is</em>.” – Fawn</p>
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                    <![CDATA[Through the Lens: How We See Ourselves and Each Other
Why do we cringe at the sound of our own voice or shy away from being photographed? In this episode, Fawn and Matt explore the emotional and psychological layers behind self-perception and how we interpret one another. From the science of hearing your voice through bone and muscle to the deeply spiritual experience of being seen—truly seen—through a camera lens, this episode invites listeners to question the filters we all carry. Fawn shares vulnerable stories from her journey as a photographer and voice actor, revealing how intention, empathy, and awareness can shift how we show up in the world and connect with others. Join the conversation on how perception shapes reality—and friendship.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.
Fawn and Matt unpack the emotional complexity behind how we perceive ourselves—through voice, photographs, and the often-invisible space in between. From the discomfort of hearing your own voice to the shock of seeing yourself in a photo, Fawn shares deeply personal experiences as a professional photographer and communicator. The conversation explores how filters—emotional, cultural, and even spiritual—affect not just how we see others, but how we interpret what they project. Together, Fawn and Matt dive into the unseen universes between people, shedding light on empathy, identity, and the art of truly seeing. A powerful reflection on presence, authenticity, and how being mindful of the “in-between” can reshape our relationships and the world around us.
self-perception, sound of your voice, why we hate our voice, being photographed, voice actor insight, photography and emotion, how others see us, friendship and self-image, perception and reality, emotional awareness, storytelling through photography, authenticity, vulnerability, ego and identity, mindful communication
#SelfPerception #Authenticity #VoiceAwareness #PhotographyWithHeart #MindfulCommunication #PerceptionVsReality #EmotionalIntelligence #BeSeenBeHeard #FriendshipMatters #VulnerabilityIsStrength #ThroughTheLens #ConsciousCreativity #OurFriendlyWorld #PodcastWisdom #VoiceActorLife




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fear of being photographed


authenticity and self-awareness


voice perception psychology


photography and emotional truth


mindful communication


seeing others clearly


empathy and human connection


how we perceive ourselves


Fawn and Matt podcast


friendship and presence


artistic interpretation in photography


self-image vs. external image



#PerceptionMatters#SelfImage#VoiceAwareness#PhotographyAndEmotion#HumanConnection#AuthenticityInFriendship#MindfulLiving#EmpathyInAction#SeeBeyondTheSurface#PodcastOnPresence#FawnAndMatt#ArtOfFriendship#PodcastEpisode#SelfAwarenessJourney

“There are entire universes happening between the lens and the subject—what we see isn’t always what is.” – Fawn
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                    <![CDATA[The University Vibe: Why Some Communities  and Friendships Thrive More Than Others]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2025 04:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><strong>Title: The University Vibe: Why Some Communities Thrive More Than Others</strong></p>
<p>Why do cities with universities feel more vibrant, open, and thriving? In this episode, Fawn and Matt explore how constant learning, new connections, and fresh energy shape these communities—and why we should embrace this mindset everywhere. They also dive into the lost art of in-person communication, the impact of talking on the phone versus texting, and how small changes in how we interact can create a richer, more connected world. Tune in for a lively discussion on friendships, business, and building thriving communities—no degree required!</p>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.<br />#CommunityBuilding #LifelongLearning #UniversityVibes #ThrivingCommunities #FriendshipMatters #OpenMindedLiving #TalkingOnThePhone #HumanConnection #KeepLearning #SocialConnection #Networking #CollegeTownEnergy</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Title: The University Vibe: Why Some Communities Thrive More Than Others
Why do cities with universities feel more vibrant, open, and thriving? In this episode, Fawn and Matt explore how constant learning, new connections, and fresh energy shape these communities—and why we should embrace this mindset everywhere. They also dive into the lost art of in-person communication, the impact of talking on the phone versus texting, and how small changes in how we interact can create a richer, more connected world. Tune in for a lively discussion on friendships, business, and building thriving communities—no degree required!
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.#CommunityBuilding #LifelongLearning #UniversityVibes #ThrivingCommunities #FriendshipMatters #OpenMindedLiving #TalkingOnThePhone #HumanConnection #KeepLearning #SocialConnection #Networking #CollegeTownEnergy]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The University Vibe: Why Some Communities  and Friendships Thrive More Than Others]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><strong>Title: The University Vibe: Why Some Communities Thrive More Than Others</strong></p>
<p>Why do cities with universities feel more vibrant, open, and thriving? In this episode, Fawn and Matt explore how constant learning, new connections, and fresh energy shape these communities—and why we should embrace this mindset everywhere. They also dive into the lost art of in-person communication, the impact of talking on the phone versus texting, and how small changes in how we interact can create a richer, more connected world. Tune in for a lively discussion on friendships, business, and building thriving communities—no degree required!</p>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.<br />#CommunityBuilding #LifelongLearning #UniversityVibes #ThrivingCommunities #FriendshipMatters #OpenMindedLiving #TalkingOnThePhone #HumanConnection #KeepLearning #SocialConnection #Networking #CollegeTownEnergy</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Title: The University Vibe: Why Some Communities Thrive More Than Others
Why do cities with universities feel more vibrant, open, and thriving? In this episode, Fawn and Matt explore how constant learning, new connections, and fresh energy shape these communities—and why we should embrace this mindset everywhere. They also dive into the lost art of in-person communication, the impact of talking on the phone versus texting, and how small changes in how we interact can create a richer, more connected world. Tune in for a lively discussion on friendships, business, and building thriving communities—no degree required!
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.#CommunityBuilding #LifelongLearning #UniversityVibes #ThrivingCommunities #FriendshipMatters #OpenMindedLiving #TalkingOnThePhone #HumanConnection #KeepLearning #SocialConnection #Networking #CollegeTownEnergy]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Authentically YOU, Authentic Friend You As A Friend -The  Authentic Friendship]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2025 03:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>✨ #AuthenticallyYOU ️</p>
<p>This week on <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we dive into the importance of authenticity in a world overflowing with voices—both online and in personal relationships. Matt explores the world of Cameo, where personalized celebrity messages range from deeply touching to painfully insincere, leading to a larger discussion on how we instinctively recognize genuine connection. Fawn shares a personal story of navigating a challenging friendship, reflecting on how people are becoming increasingly sensitive and attuned to each other’s energy—sometimes uncomfortably so. The episode delves into the power of sincerity, the necessity of setting boundaries, and why true authenticity is more valuable than ever in life and even in professional spaces like the corporate office and  voice acting.</p>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<p>#Authenticity #GenuineConnection #TheArtOfFriendship #TrustYourIntuition #Empathy #SincerityMatters #RealTalk #VoiceActing #Relationships #Boundaries #EnergySensitivity #AuthenticallyYou</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[✨ #AuthenticallyYOU ️
This week on Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, we dive into the importance of authenticity in a world overflowing with voices—both online and in personal relationships. Matt explores the world of Cameo, where personalized celebrity messages range from deeply touching to painfully insincere, leading to a larger discussion on how we instinctively recognize genuine connection. Fawn shares a personal story of navigating a challenging friendship, reflecting on how people are becoming increasingly sensitive and attuned to each other’s energy—sometimes uncomfortably so. The episode delves into the power of sincerity, the necessity of setting boundaries, and why true authenticity is more valuable than ever in life and even in professional spaces like the corporate office and  voice acting.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.
#Authenticity #GenuineConnection #TheArtOfFriendship #TrustYourIntuition #Empathy #SincerityMatters #RealTalk #VoiceActing #Relationships #Boundaries #EnergySensitivity #AuthenticallyYou]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>✨ #AuthenticallyYOU ️</p>
<p>This week on <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we dive into the importance of authenticity in a world overflowing with voices—both online and in personal relationships. Matt explores the world of Cameo, where personalized celebrity messages range from deeply touching to painfully insincere, leading to a larger discussion on how we instinctively recognize genuine connection. Fawn shares a personal story of navigating a challenging friendship, reflecting on how people are becoming increasingly sensitive and attuned to each other’s energy—sometimes uncomfortably so. The episode delves into the power of sincerity, the necessity of setting boundaries, and why true authenticity is more valuable than ever in life and even in professional spaces like the corporate office and  voice acting.</p>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<p>#Authenticity #GenuineConnection #TheArtOfFriendship #TrustYourIntuition #Empathy #SincerityMatters #RealTalk #VoiceActing #Relationships #Boundaries #EnergySensitivity #AuthenticallyYou</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[✨ #AuthenticallyYOU ️
This week on Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, we dive into the importance of authenticity in a world overflowing with voices—both online and in personal relationships. Matt explores the world of Cameo, where personalized celebrity messages range from deeply touching to painfully insincere, leading to a larger discussion on how we instinctively recognize genuine connection. Fawn shares a personal story of navigating a challenging friendship, reflecting on how people are becoming increasingly sensitive and attuned to each other’s energy—sometimes uncomfortably so. The episode delves into the power of sincerity, the necessity of setting boundaries, and why true authenticity is more valuable than ever in life and even in professional spaces like the corporate office and  voice acting.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.
#Authenticity #GenuineConnection #TheArtOfFriendship #TrustYourIntuition #Empathy #SincerityMatters #RealTalk #VoiceActing #Relationships #Boundaries #EnergySensitivity #AuthenticallyYou]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Super Friend Power...ACTIVATE!]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2025 04:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>Fawn shares her deep appreciation for her friend Wendy, and reflects on the importance of meaningful friendships. She opens up about a challenging day filled with emotional overwhelm and how Wendy’s support helped her navigate through it. Matt and Fawn also discuss intuition, energy, and the fascinating connection between love and telepathic understanding. Their conversation explores the ways we connect with others, how we perceive people, and the role love plays in truly understanding someone.</p>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.<br />Friendship, emotional support, intuition, telepathy, deep connections, empathy, energy, vegan recipes, meaningful relationships, personal growth, mindfulness, self-awareness, love and connection</p>
<p><br />#FriendshipMatters #EmotionalSupport #DeepConnections #Intuition #Empathy #Mindfulness #PersonalGrowth #LoveAndConnection #VeganRecipes #Telepathy #UnderstandingPeople #SelfAwareness #Compassion #HealingThroughFriendship #happyapplevegan</p>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn shares her deep appreciation for her friend Wendy, and reflects on the importance of meaningful friendships. She opens up about a challenging day filled with emotional overwhelm and how Wendy’s support helped her navigate through it. Matt and Fawn also discuss intuition, energy, and the fascinating connection between love and telepathic understanding. Their conversation explores the ways we connect with others, how we perceive people, and the role love plays in truly understanding someone.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.Friendship, emotional support, intuition, telepathy, deep connections, empathy, energy, vegan recipes, meaningful relationships, personal growth, mindfulness, self-awareness, love and connection
#FriendshipMatters #EmotionalSupport #DeepConnections #Intuition #Empathy #Mindfulness #PersonalGrowth #LoveAndConnection #VeganRecipes #Telepathy #UnderstandingPeople #SelfAwareness #Compassion #HealingThroughFriendship #happyapplevegan
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                    <![CDATA[<p>Fawn shares her deep appreciation for her friend Wendy, and reflects on the importance of meaningful friendships. She opens up about a challenging day filled with emotional overwhelm and how Wendy’s support helped her navigate through it. Matt and Fawn also discuss intuition, energy, and the fascinating connection between love and telepathic understanding. Their conversation explores the ways we connect with others, how we perceive people, and the role love plays in truly understanding someone.</p>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.<br />Friendship, emotional support, intuition, telepathy, deep connections, empathy, energy, vegan recipes, meaningful relationships, personal growth, mindfulness, self-awareness, love and connection</p>
<p><br />#FriendshipMatters #EmotionalSupport #DeepConnections #Intuition #Empathy #Mindfulness #PersonalGrowth #LoveAndConnection #VeganRecipes #Telepathy #UnderstandingPeople #SelfAwareness #Compassion #HealingThroughFriendship #happyapplevegan</p>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn shares her deep appreciation for her friend Wendy, and reflects on the importance of meaningful friendships. She opens up about a challenging day filled with emotional overwhelm and how Wendy’s support helped her navigate through it. Matt and Fawn also discuss intuition, energy, and the fascinating connection between love and telepathic understanding. Their conversation explores the ways we connect with others, how we perceive people, and the role love plays in truly understanding someone.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.Friendship, emotional support, intuition, telepathy, deep connections, empathy, energy, vegan recipes, meaningful relationships, personal growth, mindfulness, self-awareness, love and connection
#FriendshipMatters #EmotionalSupport #DeepConnections #Intuition #Empathy #Mindfulness #PersonalGrowth #LoveAndConnection #VeganRecipes #Telepathy #UnderstandingPeople #SelfAwareness #Compassion #HealingThroughFriendship #happyapplevegan
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                    <![CDATA[Navigating the Bog: How to Set Emotional Boundaries and Find True Friendship Without Sinking]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2025 01:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this friendship podcast Episode: Just like a bog, relationships can be rich, complex, and even a little murky at times. Without strong emotional boundaries, we risk sinking into the weight of other people’s emotions, losing sight of our own needs and energy. In this episode, we explore how to navigate emotional landscapes with self-awareness and balance, ensuring that we stay grounded while still fostering deep, meaningful connections. We discuss the role of humility, self-reflection, and mindful communication in setting boundaries that protect our well-being without shutting others out. Join us as we uncover the secrets to maintaining strong, healthy relationships without getting emotionally stuck.<br /><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, Fawn and Matt explore the intricate balance between humility, emotional energy, and boundaries in relationships. They discuss how unspoken emotions can create distance, the importance of acknowledging our own needs, and how setting boundaries fosters deeper connections. Through personal stories and reflections, they highlight the transformative power of self-awareness and mindful communication in building healthier, more authentic relationships.</p>
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<p>Self-awareness and relationships</p>
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<p>How to set boundaries with loved ones</p>
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<p>Emotional energy and connection</p>
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<p>Mindful communication tips</p>
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<p>The power of self-awareness in relationships</p>
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<p>How to strengthen friendships through boundaries</p>
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<li>
<p>Balancing humility and emotional well-being</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Deepening connections through mindfulness</p>
</li>
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<p>#EmotionalBoundaries #HealthyRelationships #MindfulCommunication #SelfAwareness #PersonalGrowth #RelationshipAdvice #SettingBoundaries #AuthenticConnections #FriendshipMatters #CommunicationSkills</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this friendship podcast Episode: Just like a bog, relationships can be rich, complex, and even a little murky at times. Without strong emotional boundaries, we risk sinking into the weight of other people’s emotions, losing sight of our own needs and energy. In this episode, we explore how to navigate emotional landscapes with self-awareness and balance, ensuring that we stay grounded while still fostering deep, meaningful connections. We discuss the role of humility, self-reflection, and mindful communication in setting boundaries that protect our well-being without shutting others out. Join us as we uncover the secrets to maintaining strong, healthy relationships without getting emotionally stuck.Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.
In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, Fawn and Matt explore the intricate balance between humility, emotional energy, and boundaries in relationships. They discuss how unspoken emotions can create distance, the importance of acknowledging our own needs, and how setting boundaries fosters deeper connections. Through personal stories and reflections, they highlight the transformative power of self-awareness and mindful communication in building healthier, more authentic relationships.

Emotional boundaries in relationships


Healthy communication strategies


Self-awareness and relationships


How to set boundaries with loved ones


Emotional energy and connection


Mindful communication tips


The power of self-awareness in relationships


How to strengthen friendships through boundaries


Balancing humility and emotional well-being


Deepening connections through mindfulness


#EmotionalBoundaries #HealthyRelationships #MindfulCommunication #SelfAwareness #PersonalGrowth #RelationshipAdvice #SettingBoundaries #AuthenticConnections #FriendshipMatters #CommunicationSkills]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Navigating the Bog: How to Set Emotional Boundaries and Find True Friendship Without Sinking]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>In this friendship podcast Episode: Just like a bog, relationships can be rich, complex, and even a little murky at times. Without strong emotional boundaries, we risk sinking into the weight of other people’s emotions, losing sight of our own needs and energy. In this episode, we explore how to navigate emotional landscapes with self-awareness and balance, ensuring that we stay grounded while still fostering deep, meaningful connections. We discuss the role of humility, self-reflection, and mindful communication in setting boundaries that protect our well-being without shutting others out. Join us as we uncover the secrets to maintaining strong, healthy relationships without getting emotionally stuck.<br /><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, Fawn and Matt explore the intricate balance between humility, emotional energy, and boundaries in relationships. They discuss how unspoken emotions can create distance, the importance of acknowledging our own needs, and how setting boundaries fosters deeper connections. Through personal stories and reflections, they highlight the transformative power of self-awareness and mindful communication in building healthier, more authentic relationships.</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>Emotional boundaries in relationships</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Healthy communication strategies</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Self-awareness and relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How to set boundaries with loved ones</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Emotional energy and connection</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Mindful communication tips</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>The power of self-awareness in relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>How to strengthen friendships through boundaries</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Balancing humility and emotional well-being</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Deepening connections through mindfulness</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>#EmotionalBoundaries #HealthyRelationships #MindfulCommunication #SelfAwareness #PersonalGrowth #RelationshipAdvice #SettingBoundaries #AuthenticConnections #FriendshipMatters #CommunicationSkills</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this friendship podcast Episode: Just like a bog, relationships can be rich, complex, and even a little murky at times. Without strong emotional boundaries, we risk sinking into the weight of other people’s emotions, losing sight of our own needs and energy. In this episode, we explore how to navigate emotional landscapes with self-awareness and balance, ensuring that we stay grounded while still fostering deep, meaningful connections. We discuss the role of humility, self-reflection, and mindful communication in setting boundaries that protect our well-being without shutting others out. Join us as we uncover the secrets to maintaining strong, healthy relationships without getting emotionally stuck.Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.
In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, Fawn and Matt explore the intricate balance between humility, emotional energy, and boundaries in relationships. They discuss how unspoken emotions can create distance, the importance of acknowledging our own needs, and how setting boundaries fosters deeper connections. Through personal stories and reflections, they highlight the transformative power of self-awareness and mindful communication in building healthier, more authentic relationships.

Emotional boundaries in relationships


Healthy communication strategies


Self-awareness and relationships


How to set boundaries with loved ones


Emotional energy and connection


Mindful communication tips


The power of self-awareness in relationships


How to strengthen friendships through boundaries


Balancing humility and emotional well-being


Deepening connections through mindfulness


#EmotionalBoundaries #HealthyRelationships #MindfulCommunication #SelfAwareness #PersonalGrowth #RelationshipAdvice #SettingBoundaries #AuthenticConnections #FriendshipMatters #CommunicationSkills]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[“The Scorpion, the Frog, and the Art of Stoic Friendship”]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2025 05:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Fawn and Matt explore the fable of <em>The Frog and the Scorpion</em> as a metaphor for friendships with those whose nature may be inherently harmful. We can be kind without allowing toxic people into their inner circle. The episode ends with a reminder to live according to one's virtue, embrace self-awareness, and find balance in all relationships. Through Stoic wisdom, personal stories, and ancient lessons, they discuss the challenge of helping others without being repeatedly hurt. Fawn shares a friendship that mirrored the fable, realizing that some people, like the scorpion, act according to their nature. Matt offers a mindful approach—engaging with awareness while setting boundaries. They conclude that wisdom lies in knowing when to help, when to walk away, and how to protect one’s own virtue.</p>
<h3>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.<br /><br /></h3>
<ul>
<li>
<p>The Frog and the Scorpion fable</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Toxic friendships and boundaries</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Protecting yourself in friendships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Stoic wisdom on relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Knowing when to walk away</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Recognizing harmful behavior</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Lessons from ancient fables</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Friendship and self-preservation</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Mindful relationships and trust</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Choosing the right friendships</p>
</li>
</ul>
<h3><br /><br /></h3>
<p>#FriendshipWisdom #ToxicRelationships #KnowYourWorth #BoundariesMatter #SelfPreservation #LifeLessons #StoicPhilosophy #FrogAndScorpion #MindfulLiving #PersonalGrowth #ChooseWisely #ProtectYourPeace #AncientWisdom #PodcastEpisode #Storytelling</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this episode, Fawn and Matt explore the fable of The Frog and the Scorpion as a metaphor for friendships with those whose nature may be inherently harmful. We can be kind without allowing toxic people into their inner circle. The episode ends with a reminder to live according to one's virtue, embrace self-awareness, and find balance in all relationships. Through Stoic wisdom, personal stories, and ancient lessons, they discuss the challenge of helping others without being repeatedly hurt. Fawn shares a friendship that mirrored the fable, realizing that some people, like the scorpion, act according to their nature. Matt offers a mindful approach—engaging with awareness while setting boundaries. They conclude that wisdom lies in knowing when to help, when to walk away, and how to protect one’s own virtue.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.


The Frog and the Scorpion fable


Toxic friendships and boundaries


Protecting yourself in friendships


Stoic wisdom on relationships


Knowing when to walk away


Recognizing harmful behavior


Lessons from ancient fables


Friendship and self-preservation


Mindful relationships and trust


Choosing the right friendships



#FriendshipWisdom #ToxicRelationships #KnowYourWorth #BoundariesMatter #SelfPreservation #LifeLessons #StoicPhilosophy #FrogAndScorpion #MindfulLiving #PersonalGrowth #ChooseWisely #ProtectYourPeace #AncientWisdom #PodcastEpisode #Storytelling]]>
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                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[“The Scorpion, the Frog, and the Art of Stoic Friendship”]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Fawn and Matt explore the fable of <em>The Frog and the Scorpion</em> as a metaphor for friendships with those whose nature may be inherently harmful. We can be kind without allowing toxic people into their inner circle. The episode ends with a reminder to live according to one's virtue, embrace self-awareness, and find balance in all relationships. Through Stoic wisdom, personal stories, and ancient lessons, they discuss the challenge of helping others without being repeatedly hurt. Fawn shares a friendship that mirrored the fable, realizing that some people, like the scorpion, act according to their nature. Matt offers a mindful approach—engaging with awareness while setting boundaries. They conclude that wisdom lies in knowing when to help, when to walk away, and how to protect one’s own virtue.</p>
<h3>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.<br /><br /></h3>
<ul>
<li>
<p>The Frog and the Scorpion fable</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Toxic friendships and boundaries</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Protecting yourself in friendships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Stoic wisdom on relationships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Knowing when to walk away</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Recognizing harmful behavior</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Lessons from ancient fables</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Friendship and self-preservation</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Mindful relationships and trust</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Choosing the right friendships</p>
</li>
</ul>
<h3><br /><br /></h3>
<p>#FriendshipWisdom #ToxicRelationships #KnowYourWorth #BoundariesMatter #SelfPreservation #LifeLessons #StoicPhilosophy #FrogAndScorpion #MindfulLiving #PersonalGrowth #ChooseWisely #ProtectYourPeace #AncientWisdom #PodcastEpisode #Storytelling</p>]]>
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                                <itunes:summary>
                    <![CDATA[In this episode, Fawn and Matt explore the fable of The Frog and the Scorpion as a metaphor for friendships with those whose nature may be inherently harmful. We can be kind without allowing toxic people into their inner circle. The episode ends with a reminder to live according to one's virtue, embrace self-awareness, and find balance in all relationships. Through Stoic wisdom, personal stories, and ancient lessons, they discuss the challenge of helping others without being repeatedly hurt. Fawn shares a friendship that mirrored the fable, realizing that some people, like the scorpion, act according to their nature. Matt offers a mindful approach—engaging with awareness while setting boundaries. They conclude that wisdom lies in knowing when to help, when to walk away, and how to protect one’s own virtue.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.


The Frog and the Scorpion fable


Toxic friendships and boundaries


Protecting yourself in friendships


Stoic wisdom on relationships


Knowing when to walk away


Recognizing harmful behavior


Lessons from ancient fables


Friendship and self-preservation


Mindful relationships and trust


Choosing the right friendships



#FriendshipWisdom #ToxicRelationships #KnowYourWorth #BoundariesMatter #SelfPreservation #LifeLessons #StoicPhilosophy #FrogAndScorpion #MindfulLiving #PersonalGrowth #ChooseWisely #ProtectYourPeace #AncientWisdom #PodcastEpisode #Storytelling]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA["Resentment Repels, Friendship Attracts: The Secret to Abundance and A Great Friendship"]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 24 Feb 2025 04:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt (a podcast on making and keeping friends)</em>, Fawn and Matt explore how lingering resentment—even in small amounts—can block success in all areas of life, including career, relationships, and financial abundance. Fawn reflects on how unresolved negative feelings create an invisible energy that repels opportunities, comparing it to an unnoticed but growing mold. She emphasizes the importance of consciously clearing resentment, just like daily maintenance for a refrigerator or brushing one’s teeth.</p>
<p>Matt shares his perspective on directly addressing conflicts by speaking truth, while Fawn challenges him to approach forgiveness with a mindset of energetic cleansing. They discuss a simple practice of asking for divine help in forgiving and being forgiven, reinforcing that true success is built on emotional clarity.</p>
<p>The episode closes with heartfelt shoutouts to fellow podcasters and creators, encouraging listeners to embrace daily self-reflection and energetic hygiene to attract the life they desire.</p>
<h3><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</h3>
<ul>
<li>
<p><strong>How to attract success</strong></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>Clearing resentment for abundance</strong></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>Forgiveness and success</strong></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>Emotional energy and manifestation</strong></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>How to remove negative energy</strong></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>Spiritual self-care for success</strong></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>The power of letting go</strong></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>Daily mindset practices for abundance</strong></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>How emotions affect success</strong></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>Energetic cleansing techniques</strong></p>
</li>
</ul>
<h3><br /><br /></h3>
<p>#SuccessMindset #EmotionalWellness #LetGoAndGrow #ManifestationTips #ForgivenessIsFreedom #EnergyClearing #AbundanceMindset #SelfGrowthJourney #PersonalDevelopment #SpiritualSuccess</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>]]>
                                    </description>
                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt (a podcast on making and keeping friends), Fawn and Matt explore how lingering resentment—even in small amounts—can block success in all areas of life, including career, relationships, and financial abundance. Fawn reflects on how unresolved negative feelings create an invisible energy that repels opportunities, comparing it to an unnoticed but growing mold. She emphasizes the importance of consciously clearing resentment, just like daily maintenance for a refrigerator or brushing one’s teeth.
Matt shares his perspective on directly addressing conflicts by speaking truth, while Fawn challenges him to approach forgiveness with a mindset of energetic cleansing. They discuss a simple practice of asking for divine help in forgiving and being forgiven, reinforcing that true success is built on emotional clarity.
The episode closes with heartfelt shoutouts to fellow podcasters and creators, encouraging listeners to embrace daily self-reflection and energetic hygiene to attract the life they desire.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.


How to attract success


Clearing resentment for abundance


Forgiveness and success


Emotional energy and manifestation


How to remove negative energy


Spiritual self-care for success


The power of letting go


Daily mindset practices for abundance


How emotions affect success


Energetic cleansing techniques



#SuccessMindset #EmotionalWellness #LetGoAndGrow #ManifestationTips #ForgivenessIsFreedom #EnergyClearing #AbundanceMindset #SelfGrowthJourney #PersonalDevelopment #SpiritualSuccess
]]>
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                                    <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA["Resentment Repels, Friendship Attracts: The Secret to Abundance and A Great Friendship"]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt (a podcast on making and keeping friends)</em>, Fawn and Matt explore how lingering resentment—even in small amounts—can block success in all areas of life, including career, relationships, and financial abundance. Fawn reflects on how unresolved negative feelings create an invisible energy that repels opportunities, comparing it to an unnoticed but growing mold. She emphasizes the importance of consciously clearing resentment, just like daily maintenance for a refrigerator or brushing one’s teeth.</p>
<p>Matt shares his perspective on directly addressing conflicts by speaking truth, while Fawn challenges him to approach forgiveness with a mindset of energetic cleansing. They discuss a simple practice of asking for divine help in forgiving and being forgiven, reinforcing that true success is built on emotional clarity.</p>
<p>The episode closes with heartfelt shoutouts to fellow podcasters and creators, encouraging listeners to embrace daily self-reflection and energetic hygiene to attract the life they desire.</p>
<h3><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</h3>
<ul>
<li>
<p><strong>How to attract success</strong></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>Clearing resentment for abundance</strong></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>Forgiveness and success</strong></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>Emotional energy and manifestation</strong></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>How to remove negative energy</strong></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>Spiritual self-care for success</strong></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>The power of letting go</strong></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>Daily mindset practices for abundance</strong></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>How emotions affect success</strong></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>Energetic cleansing techniques</strong></p>
</li>
</ul>
<h3><br /><br /></h3>
<p>#SuccessMindset #EmotionalWellness #LetGoAndGrow #ManifestationTips #ForgivenessIsFreedom #EnergyClearing #AbundanceMindset #SelfGrowthJourney #PersonalDevelopment #SpiritualSuccess</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                                <itunes:summary>
                    <![CDATA[In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt (a podcast on making and keeping friends), Fawn and Matt explore how lingering resentment—even in small amounts—can block success in all areas of life, including career, relationships, and financial abundance. Fawn reflects on how unresolved negative feelings create an invisible energy that repels opportunities, comparing it to an unnoticed but growing mold. She emphasizes the importance of consciously clearing resentment, just like daily maintenance for a refrigerator or brushing one’s teeth.
Matt shares his perspective on directly addressing conflicts by speaking truth, while Fawn challenges him to approach forgiveness with a mindset of energetic cleansing. They discuss a simple practice of asking for divine help in forgiving and being forgiven, reinforcing that true success is built on emotional clarity.
The episode closes with heartfelt shoutouts to fellow podcasters and creators, encouraging listeners to embrace daily self-reflection and energetic hygiene to attract the life they desire.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.


How to attract success


Clearing resentment for abundance


Forgiveness and success


Emotional energy and manifestation


How to remove negative energy


Spiritual self-care for success


The power of letting go


Daily mindset practices for abundance


How emotions affect success


Energetic cleansing techniques



#SuccessMindset #EmotionalWellness #LetGoAndGrow #ManifestationTips #ForgivenessIsFreedom #EnergyClearing #AbundanceMindset #SelfGrowthJourney #PersonalDevelopment #SpiritualSuccess
]]>
                </itunes:summary>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:27:05</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Walking Into Friendship: The Power of Shared Steps]]>
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                <pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2025 15:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>This week's podcast episode on the art of friendship, Fawn and Matt explore the simple yet profound act of walking and how it strengthens relationships. From hiking with their kids to daily neighborhood strolls, they discuss how shared experiences—especially ones that involve movement—foster connection, deepen conversations, and even boost creativity. They dive into the science behind walking, its impact on mental well-being, and why it’s a natural reset for the mind and soul. Whether it’s a quiet stroll with a friend or a daily ritual, walking might just be the key to building stronger, more meaningful bonds.</p>
<p><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<p>✔ Walking and friendship<br />✔ Shared experiences and connection<br />✔ How walking improves mental health<br />✔ Building relationships through movement<br />✔ Walking as a bonding ritual<br />✔ The power of physical activity for emotional connection<br />✔ How nature and movement boost creativity<br />✔ Simple ways to deepen friendships<br />✔ Daily habits for stronger relationships</p>
<p><strong>walking and shared experiences</strong></p>
<p><strong>connection, emotional bonding, and mental clarity</strong></p>
<p><strong>mood, creativity, and well-being </strong></p>
<p><strong>simple ritual of walking with a friend or loved one </strong></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><br />#Friendship #WalkingTogether #MindfulMovement #ConnectionMatters #SharedExperiences #WalkingForHealth #StrongerTogether #MentalClarity #CreativityBoost #DailyRituals #WalkingMeditation #HealthyRelationships #BondingTime</p>]]>
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                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[This week's podcast episode on the art of friendship, Fawn and Matt explore the simple yet profound act of walking and how it strengthens relationships. From hiking with their kids to daily neighborhood strolls, they discuss how shared experiences—especially ones that involve movement—foster connection, deepen conversations, and even boost creativity. They dive into the science behind walking, its impact on mental well-being, and why it’s a natural reset for the mind and soul. Whether it’s a quiet stroll with a friend or a daily ritual, walking might just be the key to building stronger, more meaningful bonds.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.
✔ Walking and friendship✔ Shared experiences and connection✔ How walking improves mental health✔ Building relationships through movement✔ Walking as a bonding ritual✔ The power of physical activity for emotional connection✔ How nature and movement boost creativity✔ Simple ways to deepen friendships✔ Daily habits for stronger relationships
walking and shared experiences
connection, emotional bonding, and mental clarity
mood, creativity, and well-being 
simple ritual of walking with a friend or loved one 

#Friendship #WalkingTogether #MindfulMovement #ConnectionMatters #SharedExperiences #WalkingForHealth #StrongerTogether #MentalClarity #CreativityBoost #DailyRituals #WalkingMeditation #HealthyRelationships #BondingTime]]>
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                                    <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[Walking Into Friendship: The Power of Shared Steps]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>This week's podcast episode on the art of friendship, Fawn and Matt explore the simple yet profound act of walking and how it strengthens relationships. From hiking with their kids to daily neighborhood strolls, they discuss how shared experiences—especially ones that involve movement—foster connection, deepen conversations, and even boost creativity. They dive into the science behind walking, its impact on mental well-being, and why it’s a natural reset for the mind and soul. Whether it’s a quiet stroll with a friend or a daily ritual, walking might just be the key to building stronger, more meaningful bonds.</p>
<p><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<p>✔ Walking and friendship<br />✔ Shared experiences and connection<br />✔ How walking improves mental health<br />✔ Building relationships through movement<br />✔ Walking as a bonding ritual<br />✔ The power of physical activity for emotional connection<br />✔ How nature and movement boost creativity<br />✔ Simple ways to deepen friendships<br />✔ Daily habits for stronger relationships</p>
<p><strong>walking and shared experiences</strong></p>
<p><strong>connection, emotional bonding, and mental clarity</strong></p>
<p><strong>mood, creativity, and well-being </strong></p>
<p><strong>simple ritual of walking with a friend or loved one </strong></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><br />#Friendship #WalkingTogether #MindfulMovement #ConnectionMatters #SharedExperiences #WalkingForHealth #StrongerTogether #MentalClarity #CreativityBoost #DailyRituals #WalkingMeditation #HealthyRelationships #BondingTime</p>]]>
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                                <itunes:summary>
                    <![CDATA[This week's podcast episode on the art of friendship, Fawn and Matt explore the simple yet profound act of walking and how it strengthens relationships. From hiking with their kids to daily neighborhood strolls, they discuss how shared experiences—especially ones that involve movement—foster connection, deepen conversations, and even boost creativity. They dive into the science behind walking, its impact on mental well-being, and why it’s a natural reset for the mind and soul. Whether it’s a quiet stroll with a friend or a daily ritual, walking might just be the key to building stronger, more meaningful bonds.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.
✔ Walking and friendship✔ Shared experiences and connection✔ How walking improves mental health✔ Building relationships through movement✔ Walking as a bonding ritual✔ The power of physical activity for emotional connection✔ How nature and movement boost creativity✔ Simple ways to deepen friendships✔ Daily habits for stronger relationships
walking and shared experiences
connection, emotional bonding, and mental clarity
mood, creativity, and well-being 
simple ritual of walking with a friend or loved one 

#Friendship #WalkingTogether #MindfulMovement #ConnectionMatters #SharedExperiences #WalkingForHealth #StrongerTogether #MentalClarity #CreativityBoost #DailyRituals #WalkingMeditation #HealthyRelationships #BondingTime]]>
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                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <item>
                <title>
                    <![CDATA[Making Friends in Today's World]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 10 Feb 2025 05:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this podcast episode on the art of making and keeping friends, Fawn shares an interaction with a friend. We discuss present-day friendships and our future as a humanity.</p>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<p>#makingfriendstoday</p>]]>
                                    </description>
                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[In this podcast episode on the art of making and keeping friends, Fawn shares an interaction with a friend. We discuss present-day friendships and our future as a humanity.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.
#makingfriendstoday]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Making Friends in Today's World]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>In this podcast episode on the art of making and keeping friends, Fawn shares an interaction with a friend. We discuss present-day friendships and our future as a humanity.</p>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<p>#makingfriendstoday</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this podcast episode on the art of making and keeping friends, Fawn shares an interaction with a friend. We discuss present-day friendships and our future as a humanity.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.
#makingfriendstoday]]>
                </itunes:summary>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:30:52</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                <title>
                    <![CDATA[Confirmation Bias and Friendship]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 03 Feb 2025 05:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>This week's episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em> explores the concept of <strong>confirmation bias</strong>—how our preconceived notions shape the way we perceive others and the world around us. Fawn and Matt reflect on how societal expectations and biases affect relationships, including their own marriage. With humor and insight, they uncover how deeply ingrained assumptions influence our interactions and challenge friends to rethink the way they judge and interpret the world.</p>
<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
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<p>#ConfirmationBias<br />#PerceptionMatters<br />#BreakingStereotypes<br />#ChallengeAssumptions<br />#UnconsciousBias<br />#MindsetShift<br />#FriendshipPodcast</p>
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                    <![CDATA[This week's episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt explores the concept of confirmation bias—how our preconceived notions shape the way we perceive others and the world around us. Fawn and Matt reflect on how societal expectations and biases affect relationships, including their own marriage. With humor and insight, they uncover how deeply ingrained assumptions influence our interactions and challenge friends to rethink the way they judge and interpret the world.
Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.
Confirmation bias, Perception vs. reality, Overcoming judgment, Challenging assumptions, Unconscious bias in relationships, Breaking stereotypes, Psychology of perception
#ConfirmationBias#PerceptionMatters#BreakingStereotypes#ChallengeAssumptions#UnconsciousBias#MindsetShift#FriendshipPodcast
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                    <![CDATA[Confirmation Bias and Friendship]]>
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<p>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<h3>Confirmation bias, Perception vs. reality, Overcoming judgment, Challenging assumptions, Unconscious bias in relationships, Breaking stereotypes, Psychology of perception</h3>
<p>#ConfirmationBias<br />#PerceptionMatters<br />#BreakingStereotypes<br />#ChallengeAssumptions<br />#UnconsciousBias<br />#MindsetShift<br />#FriendshipPodcast</p>
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Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.
Confirmation bias, Perception vs. reality, Overcoming judgment, Challenging assumptions, Unconscious bias in relationships, Breaking stereotypes, Psychology of perception
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                    <![CDATA["Empathy Overload: Navigating Connection, Loneliness, and Social Media's Hidden Traps Keeping us from Making True Friends"]]>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this week's episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we dive into the complexities of human connection in our hyper-connected world. Despite billions of people on the planet, our capacity for empathy is limited by our natural design to thrive in small communities. Fawn shares personal experiences that highlight the challenges of modern-day compassion, including the overwhelming influence of social media. The discussion explores how the emotional manipulation of algorithms, echo chambers, and the loneliness epidemic are shaping our sense of self-worth and relationships. Join us as we uncover ways to navigate these challenges, protect our empathy, and reconnect with our true humanity.<br /><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<p>#EmpathyInAction #SocialMediaImpact #LonelinessEpidemic #EchoChamberEffect #DigitalCompassion #ReclaimConnection #ModernEmpathy<br />empathy overload, social media algorithms, loneliness epidemic, digital influence, echo chambers, protecting compassion, human connection challenges</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this week's episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, we dive into the complexities of human connection in our hyper-connected world. Despite billions of people on the planet, our capacity for empathy is limited by our natural design to thrive in small communities. Fawn shares personal experiences that highlight the challenges of modern-day compassion, including the overwhelming influence of social media. The discussion explores how the emotional manipulation of algorithms, echo chambers, and the loneliness epidemic are shaping our sense of self-worth and relationships. Join us as we uncover ways to navigate these challenges, protect our empathy, and reconnect with our true humanity.Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.
#EmpathyInAction #SocialMediaImpact #LonelinessEpidemic #EchoChamberEffect #DigitalCompassion #ReclaimConnection #ModernEmpathyempathy overload, social media algorithms, loneliness epidemic, digital influence, echo chambers, protecting compassion, human connection challenges]]>
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<p>#EmpathyInAction #SocialMediaImpact #LonelinessEpidemic #EchoChamberEffect #DigitalCompassion #ReclaimConnection #ModernEmpathy<br />empathy overload, social media algorithms, loneliness epidemic, digital influence, echo chambers, protecting compassion, human connection challenges</p>]]>
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#EmpathyInAction #SocialMediaImpact #LonelinessEpidemic #EchoChamberEffect #DigitalCompassion #ReclaimConnection #ModernEmpathyempathy overload, social media algorithms, loneliness epidemic, digital influence, echo chambers, protecting compassion, human connection challenges]]>
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                    <![CDATA["How to Walk Away: Exploring the Loud Quitting Phenomenon Even in Friendship"]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2025 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this week’s episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we explore the intriguing concept of "loud quitting" and how it applies to friendships. Inspired by a viral story of a marching band resignation, Fawn and Matt reflect on the impact of how we choose to leave relationships—whether professional or personal. They examine the ripple effects of toxic dynamics, the importance of grace when ending connections, and the lessons we carry forward into new chapters. With a mix of humor and heartfelt insights, this episode dives deep into how we can part ways with dignity while preserving our own well-being.</p>
<h3> Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</h3>
<p>loud quitting, friendship dynamics, toxic relationships, leaving with grace, personal growth, Our Friendly World, healthy connections, self-worth, podcast on relationships</p>
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<p>#LoudQuitting #FriendshipMatters #ToxicRelationships #HealthyConnections #PersonalGrowth #SelfWorth #PodcastLife #OurFriendlyWorld #RelationshipAdvice #EmotionalHealth</p>
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                    <![CDATA[In this week’s episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, we explore the intriguing concept of "loud quitting" and how it applies to friendships. Inspired by a viral story of a marching band resignation, Fawn and Matt reflect on the impact of how we choose to leave relationships—whether professional or personal. They examine the ripple effects of toxic dynamics, the importance of grace when ending connections, and the lessons we carry forward into new chapters. With a mix of humor and heartfelt insights, this episode dives deep into how we can part ways with dignity while preserving our own well-being.
 Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.
loud quitting, friendship dynamics, toxic relationships, leaving with grace, personal growth, Our Friendly World, healthy connections, self-worth, podcast on relationships
 
#LoudQuitting #FriendshipMatters #ToxicRelationships #HealthyConnections #PersonalGrowth #SelfWorth #PodcastLife #OurFriendlyWorld #RelationshipAdvice #EmotionalHealth
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                    <![CDATA[<p>In this week’s episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we explore the intriguing concept of "loud quitting" and how it applies to friendships. Inspired by a viral story of a marching band resignation, Fawn and Matt reflect on the impact of how we choose to leave relationships—whether professional or personal. They examine the ripple effects of toxic dynamics, the importance of grace when ending connections, and the lessons we carry forward into new chapters. With a mix of humor and heartfelt insights, this episode dives deep into how we can part ways with dignity while preserving our own well-being.</p>
<h3> Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</h3>
<p>loud quitting, friendship dynamics, toxic relationships, leaving with grace, personal growth, Our Friendly World, healthy connections, self-worth, podcast on relationships</p>
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 Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.
loud quitting, friendship dynamics, toxic relationships, leaving with grace, personal growth, Our Friendly World, healthy connections, self-worth, podcast on relationships
 
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                    <![CDATA["Abundance Through Time: How Connection and Community Shape Our Well-Being -OUR FRIENDSHIPS"]]>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt (a podcast on the art of making friends)</em>, we delve into the profound relationship between abundance, time, and the human instinct to protect and connect. We discuss how our innate benevolence as a species drives us to help one another and how community and shared experiences create a sense of safety and well-being. From the barriers to education to the complexities of modern survival, this episode explores the challenges and opportunities we face in cultivating abundance—both in resources and in time. Join the conversation as we uncover how friendships and collective effort can transform scarcity into abundance, one connection at a time.<br /><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<p>Humanity, Connection, Benevolence, Survival instinct, Community, Belonging, Abundance, Time management, Friendship, Well-being</p>
<p>#HumanConnection<br />#Benevolence<br />#CommunityMatters<br />#InstinctiveKindness<br />#FeelSafeTogether<br />#BelongingAndAbundance<br />#OurFriendlyWorld</p>
<p>#AbundanceMindset<br />#TimeIsWealth<br />#HumanConnection<br />#CommunityMatters<br />#FriendshipGoals<br />#WellBeingJourney<br />#CollectivePower</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt (a podcast on the art of making friends), we delve into the profound relationship between abundance, time, and the human instinct to protect and connect. We discuss how our innate benevolence as a species drives us to help one another and how community and shared experiences create a sense of safety and well-being. From the barriers to education to the complexities of modern survival, this episode explores the challenges and opportunities we face in cultivating abundance—both in resources and in time. Join the conversation as we uncover how friendships and collective effort can transform scarcity into abundance, one connection at a time.Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.
Humanity, Connection, Benevolence, Survival instinct, Community, Belonging, Abundance, Time management, Friendship, Well-being
#HumanConnection#Benevolence#CommunityMatters#InstinctiveKindness#FeelSafeTogether#BelongingAndAbundance#OurFriendlyWorld
#AbundanceMindset#TimeIsWealth#HumanConnection#CommunityMatters#FriendshipGoals#WellBeingJourney#CollectivePower]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt (a podcast on the art of making friends)</em>, we delve into the profound relationship between abundance, time, and the human instinct to protect and connect. We discuss how our innate benevolence as a species drives us to help one another and how community and shared experiences create a sense of safety and well-being. From the barriers to education to the complexities of modern survival, this episode explores the challenges and opportunities we face in cultivating abundance—both in resources and in time. Join the conversation as we uncover how friendships and collective effort can transform scarcity into abundance, one connection at a time.<br /><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<p>Humanity, Connection, Benevolence, Survival instinct, Community, Belonging, Abundance, Time management, Friendship, Well-being</p>
<p>#HumanConnection<br />#Benevolence<br />#CommunityMatters<br />#InstinctiveKindness<br />#FeelSafeTogether<br />#BelongingAndAbundance<br />#OurFriendlyWorld</p>
<p>#AbundanceMindset<br />#TimeIsWealth<br />#HumanConnection<br />#CommunityMatters<br />#FriendshipGoals<br />#WellBeingJourney<br />#CollectivePower</p>]]>
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Humanity, Connection, Benevolence, Survival instinct, Community, Belonging, Abundance, Time management, Friendship, Well-being
#HumanConnection#Benevolence#CommunityMatters#InstinctiveKindness#FeelSafeTogether#BelongingAndAbundance#OurFriendlyWorld
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                    <![CDATA[You, I Love - How to Love and Be Loved as Friends]]>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>This week's episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em> explores the subtle dynamics of relationships, from marriage to friendship. Fawn and Matt discuss how selflessness, true empathy, and focusing on the needs and desires of others can transform connections. Inspired by a profound conversation with a friend, they delve into shifting perspectives in love—rethinking "I love you" to "you I love"—and the art of giving authentically. With humor, vulnerability, and insight, Fawn and Matt reflect on how these principles apply to their marriage, friendships, and everyday life.</p>
<p>The conversation dives deep into the nuances of love, relationships, and selflessness. Fawn and Matt explore the differences between friendship and marriage, reflecting on how selfless acts and genuine thoughtfulness can strengthen bonds. Inspired by a recent conversation with a friend, they discuss shifting perspectives from “I love you” to “You I love,” emphasizing the importance of focusing on the needs and happiness of others in meaningful ways. Through humor and heartfelt insights, they share personal anecdotes about learning to listen, compromise, and approach relationships with intention and care.<br /><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<p>#RelationshipGoals, #MarriageWisdom, #FriendshipMatters, #EmpathyInAction, #AuthenticConnections, #Selflessness, #LoveAndRelationships</p>
<p>Relationships, Selflessness, Friendship, Marriage dynamics, Empathy, Authentic love, Connection transformation</p>
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The conversation dives deep into the nuances of love, relationships, and selflessness. Fawn and Matt explore the differences between friendship and marriage, reflecting on how selfless acts and genuine thoughtfulness can strengthen bonds. Inspired by a recent conversation with a friend, they discuss shifting perspectives from “I love you” to “You I love,” emphasizing the importance of focusing on the needs and happiness of others in meaningful ways. Through humor and heartfelt insights, they share personal anecdotes about learning to listen, compromise, and approach relationships with intention and care.Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.
#RelationshipGoals, #MarriageWisdom, #FriendshipMatters, #EmpathyInAction, #AuthenticConnections, #Selflessness, #LoveAndRelationships
Relationships, Selflessness, Friendship, Marriage dynamics, Empathy, Authentic love, Connection transformation
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<p>The conversation dives deep into the nuances of love, relationships, and selflessness. Fawn and Matt explore the differences between friendship and marriage, reflecting on how selfless acts and genuine thoughtfulness can strengthen bonds. Inspired by a recent conversation with a friend, they discuss shifting perspectives from “I love you” to “You I love,” emphasizing the importance of focusing on the needs and happiness of others in meaningful ways. Through humor and heartfelt insights, they share personal anecdotes about learning to listen, compromise, and approach relationships with intention and care.<br /><br />Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.</p>
<p>#RelationshipGoals, #MarriageWisdom, #FriendshipMatters, #EmpathyInAction, #AuthenticConnections, #Selflessness, #LoveAndRelationships</p>
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The conversation dives deep into the nuances of love, relationships, and selflessness. Fawn and Matt explore the differences between friendship and marriage, reflecting on how selfless acts and genuine thoughtfulness can strengthen bonds. Inspired by a recent conversation with a friend, they discuss shifting perspectives from “I love you” to “You I love,” emphasizing the importance of focusing on the needs and happiness of others in meaningful ways. Through humor and heartfelt insights, they share personal anecdotes about learning to listen, compromise, and approach relationships with intention and care.Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt is a podcast about friendship, human connection, and meaningful conversation. Each episode explores trust, empathy, boundaries, and what it truly means to understand one another. Listen to stories, reflections, and insights that help you build stronger, more meaningful relationships.
#RelationshipGoals, #MarriageWisdom, #FriendshipMatters, #EmpathyInAction, #AuthenticConnections, #Selflessness, #LoveAndRelationships
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>This Week’s Episode Description: "A New Era"</strong></span></p>
<p>In this reflective episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we embark on a journey into a new chapter, revisiting the essence of friendship through the lens of Aristotle's teachings. Fawn and Matt discuss the three types of friendships—transactional, pleasure-based, and virtuous—and how recognizing these distinctions can deepen our connections. Drawing from four and a half years of exploration, they emphasize the transformative power of true friendships in shaping not only our personal lives but also society at large. This episode invites listeners to reflect, reevaluate, and move forward with a clearer understanding of the vital role friendship plays in fostering a more connected and compassionate world.</p>
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In this reflective episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, we embark on a journey into a new chapter, revisiting the essence of friendship through the lens of Aristotle's teachings. Fawn and Matt discuss the three types of friendships—transactional, pleasure-based, and virtuous—and how recognizing these distinctions can deepen our connections. Drawing from four and a half years of exploration, they emphasize the transformative power of true friendships in shaping not only our personal lives but also society at large. This episode invites listeners to reflect, reevaluate, and move forward with a clearer understanding of the vital role friendship plays in fostering a more connected and compassionate world.

Friendship philosophy, Aristotle on friendship, Three types of friendships, Virtue in relationships, Importance of connection, Transforming friendships, Friendship dynamics

#FriendshipMatters, #ConnectionIsKey, #AristotleWisdom, #VirtuousLiving, #RelationshipGoals, #BuildingFriendship, #MeaningfulConnections
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<p>Friendship philosophy, Aristotle on friendship, Three types of friendships, Virtue in relationships, Importance of connection, Transforming friendships, Friendship dynamics</p>
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<p>#FriendshipMatters, #ConnectionIsKey, #AristotleWisdom, #VirtuousLiving, #RelationshipGoals, #BuildingFriendship, #MeaningfulConnections</p>
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Friendship philosophy, Aristotle on friendship, Three types of friendships, Virtue in relationships, Importance of connection, Transforming friendships, Friendship dynamics

#FriendshipMatters, #ConnectionIsKey, #AristotleWisdom, #VirtuousLiving, #RelationshipGoals, #BuildingFriendship, #MeaningfulConnections
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;">This week on <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we dive into the complexities of seeking support and advice in a fast-paced, isolating world. Through candid conversations, Fawn and Matt explore the challenges of fostering emotional connections, finding accountability in community, and navigating the loneliness epidemic. With heartfelt reflections on vulnerability, humility, and the power of collaboration, they highlight the importance of interdependence and small moments of recognition in building stronger, more empathetic relationships. Tune in for an honest and relatable discussion on the courage it takes to grow through life's challenges together. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:medium;">Emotional connections, </span>Accountability in community, Navigating loneliness, Interdependence in relationships, Vulnerability and humility, Building empathy, Overcoming isolation</p>
<p><br />#EmotionalConnection<br />#CommunityAccountability<br />#EndLoneliness<br />#InterdependenceMatters<br />#VulnerabilityIsStrength<br />#EmpathyInAction<br />#OvercomingIsolation</p>]]>
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Emotional connections, Accountability in community, Navigating loneliness, Interdependence in relationships, Vulnerability and humility, Building empathy, Overcoming isolation
#EmotionalConnection#CommunityAccountability#EndLoneliness#InterdependenceMatters#VulnerabilityIsStrength#EmpathyInAction#OvercomingIsolation]]>
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<p><span style="font-size:medium;">Emotional connections, </span>Accountability in community, Navigating loneliness, Interdependence in relationships, Vulnerability and humility, Building empathy, Overcoming isolation</p>
<p><br />#EmotionalConnection<br />#CommunityAccountability<br />#EndLoneliness<br />#InterdependenceMatters<br />#VulnerabilityIsStrength<br />#EmpathyInAction<br />#OvercomingIsolation</p>]]>
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Emotional connections, Accountability in community, Navigating loneliness, Interdependence in relationships, Vulnerability and humility, Building empathy, Overcoming isolation
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                    <![CDATA[Unlocking the Power of Giving Love, Gratitude, and Connection in Relationships]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 16 Dec 2024 06:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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<p><span style="font-size:medium;">"Unlocking the Power of Giving: Love, Gratitude, and Connection in Relationships"</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:medium;">In this week’s episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt: </em>explore the art of giving and receiving, self-reflection, and the power of gratitude in our relationships and personal lives. Fawn shares affirmations to help listeners feel safe and loved, while Matt emphasizes the importance of appreciating and connecting with our physical bodies. Together, they discuss the joy and challenges of sharing with others, how to embrace our unique roles in life, and why focusing on what we want can transform our reality. Tune in for heartfelt insights and a reminder that we’re all interconnected, growing stronger together. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;">Gratitude, </span>Relationships, Love and connection, Giving and receiving, Self-reflection, Personal growth, Interconnectedness</p>
<h3 class="western"><br /><br /></h3>
<p>#GratitudeJourney, #LoveAndConnection, #GivingAndReceiving, #SelfReflection, #PersonalGrowth, #Interconnectedness, <span style="font-size:medium;">#FriendshipGoals</span></p>
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"Unlocking the Power of Giving: Love, Gratitude, and Connection in Relationships"

In this week’s episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt: explore the art of giving and receiving, self-reflection, and the power of gratitude in our relationships and personal lives. Fawn shares affirmations to help listeners feel safe and loved, while Matt emphasizes the importance of appreciating and connecting with our physical bodies. Together, they discuss the joy and challenges of sharing with others, how to embrace our unique roles in life, and why focusing on what we want can transform our reality. Tune in for heartfelt insights and a reminder that we’re all interconnected, growing stronger together. 
Gratitude, Relationships, Love and connection, Giving and receiving, Self-reflection, Personal growth, Interconnectedness

#GratitudeJourney, #LoveAndConnection, #GivingAndReceiving, #SelfReflection, #PersonalGrowth, #Interconnectedness, #FriendshipGoals
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<p><span style="font-size:medium;">In this week’s episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt: </em>explore the art of giving and receiving, self-reflection, and the power of gratitude in our relationships and personal lives. Fawn shares affirmations to help listeners feel safe and loved, while Matt emphasizes the importance of appreciating and connecting with our physical bodies. Together, they discuss the joy and challenges of sharing with others, how to embrace our unique roles in life, and why focusing on what we want can transform our reality. Tune in for heartfelt insights and a reminder that we’re all interconnected, growing stronger together. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;">Gratitude, </span>Relationships, Love and connection, Giving and receiving, Self-reflection, Personal growth, Interconnectedness</p>
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<p>#GratitudeJourney, #LoveAndConnection, #GivingAndReceiving, #SelfReflection, #PersonalGrowth, #Interconnectedness, <span style="font-size:medium;">#FriendshipGoals</span></p>
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Gratitude, Relationships, Love and connection, Giving and receiving, Self-reflection, Personal growth, Interconnectedness

#GratitudeJourney, #LoveAndConnection, #GivingAndReceiving, #SelfReflection, #PersonalGrowth, #Interconnectedness, #FriendshipGoals
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>This Week's Episode: "Friendly Encouragement"</strong><br />In this uplifting mini-episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we share reminders to boost your spirits and rekindle your belief in limitless possibilities. From the affirmations adorning our home walls to insights on the power of clear thinking and manifestation, we explore how your mindset shapes your experience. Whether you're navigating life's challenges or savoring moments of solitude, you'll find encouragement to embrace your sacred space and trust that you have everything you need. Tune in for a gentle yet powerful nudge toward emotional balance, self-assurance, and the art of meaningful connection. #FriendlyEncouragement #MindsetMatters #ManifestYourDreams #SacredSpace #LimitlessPossibilities </span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This Week's Episode: "Friendly Encouragement"In this uplifting mini-episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, we share reminders to boost your spirits and rekindle your belief in limitless possibilities. From the affirmations adorning our home walls to insights on the power of clear thinking and manifestation, we explore how your mindset shapes your experience. Whether you're navigating life's challenges or savoring moments of solitude, you'll find encouragement to embrace your sacred space and trust that you have everything you need. Tune in for a gentle yet powerful nudge toward emotional balance, self-assurance, and the art of meaningful connection. #FriendlyEncouragement #MindsetMatters #ManifestYourDreams #SacredSpace #LimitlessPossibilities ]]>
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<p align="left">“<span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Redefining Connection, Accountability, and Everyday Compassion”</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">Fawn and Matt explore the interplay between societal norms, personal accountability, and human connection. They reflect on the nuances of behavior—distinguishing between evil and poor conduct—while emphasizing the ripple effect of familial and societal influence.</span></p>
<p>Fawn shares personal stories, from witnessing unchecked behavior in children to navigating feelings of invisibility and cultural assumptions in various towns. These experiences highlight how small acts of kindness—or neglect—can leave lasting impressions. Meanwhile, Matt sheds light on the evolving gig economy, urging compassion and recognition for the people contributing behind the scenes.</p>
<p>The episode concludes on a hopeful note: a call to action for kindness, gratitude, and fostering connections, with Fawn and Matt advocating for meaningful gestures that uplift others and create positive change.</p>
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<p><strong>Small Acts, Big Impact: How Kindness and Accountability Shape Our World</strong></p>
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<p><strong>From Invisible to Empowered: Embracing Compassion in Everyday Life</strong></p>
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<p><strong>Redefining Human Values: The Role of Kindness and Responsibility in Modern Society</strong></p>
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Fawn and Matt explore the interplay between societal norms, personal accountability, and human connection. They reflect on the nuances of behavior—distinguishing between evil and poor conduct—while emphasizing the ripple effect of familial and societal influence.
Fawn shares personal stories, from witnessing unchecked behavior in children to navigating feelings of invisibility and cultural assumptions in various towns. These experiences highlight how small acts of kindness—or neglect—can leave lasting impressions. Meanwhile, Matt sheds light on the evolving gig economy, urging compassion and recognition for the people contributing behind the scenes.
The episode concludes on a hopeful note: a call to action for kindness, gratitude, and fostering connections, with Fawn and Matt advocating for meaningful gestures that uplift others and create positive change.

Kindness, Accountability, Human Connection, Gig Economy, Cultural Awareness, Random Acts of Kindness, Compassion

#KindnessMatters, #SpreadLove, #HumanConnection, #GigEconomyLife, #CompassionOverJudgment, #ActsOfKindness, #CulturalAwareness
 
 
Small Acts, Big Impact: How Kindness and Accountability Shape Our World
 
From Invisible to Empowered: Embracing Compassion in Everyday Life
 
Redefining Human Values: The Role of Kindness and Responsibility in Modern Society
 
Why Compassion Matters: Reclaiming Accountability in a Changing World]]>
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<p align="left">“<span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Redefining Connection, Accountability, and Everyday Compassion”</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">Fawn and Matt explore the interplay between societal norms, personal accountability, and human connection. They reflect on the nuances of behavior—distinguishing between evil and poor conduct—while emphasizing the ripple effect of familial and societal influence.</span></p>
<p>Fawn shares personal stories, from witnessing unchecked behavior in children to navigating feelings of invisibility and cultural assumptions in various towns. These experiences highlight how small acts of kindness—or neglect—can leave lasting impressions. Meanwhile, Matt sheds light on the evolving gig economy, urging compassion and recognition for the people contributing behind the scenes.</p>
<p>The episode concludes on a hopeful note: a call to action for kindness, gratitude, and fostering connections, with Fawn and Matt advocating for meaningful gestures that uplift others and create positive change.</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>Kindness, Accountability, Human Connection, Gig Economy, Cultural Awareness, Random Acts of Kindness, Compassion</p>
<h3 class="western"><br /><br /></h3>
<p>#KindnessMatters, #SpreadLove, #HumanConnection, #GigEconomyLife, #CompassionOverJudgment, #ActsOfKindness, #CulturalAwareness</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong>Small Acts, Big Impact: How Kindness and Accountability Shape Our World</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong>From Invisible to Empowered: Embracing Compassion in Everyday Life</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong>Redefining Human Values: The Role of Kindness and Responsibility in Modern Society</strong></p>
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<p><strong>Why Compassion Matters: Reclaiming Accountability in a Changing World</strong></p>]]>
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“Redefining Connection, Accountability, and Everyday Compassion”
Fawn and Matt explore the interplay between societal norms, personal accountability, and human connection. They reflect on the nuances of behavior—distinguishing between evil and poor conduct—while emphasizing the ripple effect of familial and societal influence.
Fawn shares personal stories, from witnessing unchecked behavior in children to navigating feelings of invisibility and cultural assumptions in various towns. These experiences highlight how small acts of kindness—or neglect—can leave lasting impressions. Meanwhile, Matt sheds light on the evolving gig economy, urging compassion and recognition for the people contributing behind the scenes.
The episode concludes on a hopeful note: a call to action for kindness, gratitude, and fostering connections, with Fawn and Matt advocating for meaningful gestures that uplift others and create positive change.

Kindness, Accountability, Human Connection, Gig Economy, Cultural Awareness, Random Acts of Kindness, Compassion

#KindnessMatters, #SpreadLove, #HumanConnection, #GigEconomyLife, #CompassionOverJudgment, #ActsOfKindness, #CulturalAwareness
 
 
Small Acts, Big Impact: How Kindness and Accountability Shape Our World
 
From Invisible to Empowered: Embracing Compassion in Everyday Life
 
Redefining Human Values: The Role of Kindness and Responsibility in Modern Society
 
Why Compassion Matters: Reclaiming Accountability in a Changing World]]>
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                    <![CDATA[AI and the Seven Deadly Sins]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 25 Nov 2024 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;">In this week's episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, the hosts delve into the duality of automation and AI—balancing efficiency with authenticity. From homemade meals to AI-generated music, they discuss how human touch influences the quality and depth of our experiences. The conversation explores themes of creativity, human connection, and the potential for AI to free us for deeper relationships or, conversely, encourage isolation.</span></p>
<p>Fawn argues for embracing evolving consciousness and compassion to guide technology toward utopian outcomes, while Matt examines societal tendencies toward laziness and over-reliance. They reflect on how exposure to real-world challenges fosters emotional resilience and adaptability. Ultimately, the episode inspires hope for a harmonious coexistence between humanity and technology while recognizing the need for responsible AI use.</p>
<p><strong>Key Themes:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>The importance of human connection in a tech-driven world</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Balancing convenience with preserving creativity and craftsmanship</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Fostering resilience through real-world experiences</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>AI as both a tool for growth and a potential isolating force</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>#HumanConnection, #MindfulLiving, #CompassionInAction, #AuthenticRelationships, #BuildingCommunity, #FriendshipMatters, #EmpathyFirst</strong></p>
<p>a key to moving towards a Utopian society</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this week's episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, the hosts delve into the duality of automation and AI—balancing efficiency with authenticity. From homemade meals to AI-generated music, they discuss how human touch influences the quality and depth of our experiences. The conversation explores themes of creativity, human connection, and the potential for AI to free us for deeper relationships or, conversely, encourage isolation.
Fawn argues for embracing evolving consciousness and compassion to guide technology toward utopian outcomes, while Matt examines societal tendencies toward laziness and over-reliance. They reflect on how exposure to real-world challenges fosters emotional resilience and adaptability. Ultimately, the episode inspires hope for a harmonious coexistence between humanity and technology while recognizing the need for responsible AI use.
Key Themes:


The importance of human connection in a tech-driven world


Balancing convenience with preserving creativity and craftsmanship


Fostering resilience through real-world experiences


AI as both a tool for growth and a potential isolating force


#HumanConnection, #MindfulLiving, #CompassionInAction, #AuthenticRelationships, #BuildingCommunity, #FriendshipMatters, #EmpathyFirst
a key to moving towards a Utopian society]]>
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                    <![CDATA[AI and the Seven Deadly Sins]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;">In this week's episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, the hosts delve into the duality of automation and AI—balancing efficiency with authenticity. From homemade meals to AI-generated music, they discuss how human touch influences the quality and depth of our experiences. The conversation explores themes of creativity, human connection, and the potential for AI to free us for deeper relationships or, conversely, encourage isolation.</span></p>
<p>Fawn argues for embracing evolving consciousness and compassion to guide technology toward utopian outcomes, while Matt examines societal tendencies toward laziness and over-reliance. They reflect on how exposure to real-world challenges fosters emotional resilience and adaptability. Ultimately, the episode inspires hope for a harmonious coexistence between humanity and technology while recognizing the need for responsible AI use.</p>
<p><strong>Key Themes:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>The importance of human connection in a tech-driven world</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Balancing convenience with preserving creativity and craftsmanship</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Fostering resilience through real-world experiences</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>AI as both a tool for growth and a potential isolating force</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>#HumanConnection, #MindfulLiving, #CompassionInAction, #AuthenticRelationships, #BuildingCommunity, #FriendshipMatters, #EmpathyFirst</strong></p>
<p>a key to moving towards a Utopian society</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this week's episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, the hosts delve into the duality of automation and AI—balancing efficiency with authenticity. From homemade meals to AI-generated music, they discuss how human touch influences the quality and depth of our experiences. The conversation explores themes of creativity, human connection, and the potential for AI to free us for deeper relationships or, conversely, encourage isolation.
Fawn argues for embracing evolving consciousness and compassion to guide technology toward utopian outcomes, while Matt examines societal tendencies toward laziness and over-reliance. They reflect on how exposure to real-world challenges fosters emotional resilience and adaptability. Ultimately, the episode inspires hope for a harmonious coexistence between humanity and technology while recognizing the need for responsible AI use.
Key Themes:


The importance of human connection in a tech-driven world


Balancing convenience with preserving creativity and craftsmanship


Fostering resilience through real-world experiences


AI as both a tool for growth and a potential isolating force


#HumanConnection, #MindfulLiving, #CompassionInAction, #AuthenticRelationships, #BuildingCommunity, #FriendshipMatters, #EmpathyFirst
a key to moving towards a Utopian society]]>
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                    <![CDATA["Behind the Words: Exploring Communication, Context, and Connection"]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2024 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;">In this episode, Fawn and Matt dive into the complexities of communication and the importance of understanding tone, context, and intent in conversations. They discuss the concept of "rubber ducking," a method of processing thoughts by talking them out, and reflect on how emotions often influence what is said—and unsaid—in relationships. Drawing parallels to acting techniques, they explore how examining motivations and circumstances can reduce misunderstandings and help navigate conflicts with empathy. Fawn shares a personal story about unintentionally offending a friend, emphasizing the importance of not taking things personally and recognizing others' emotional states. With humor and insight, they highlight the need for mutual respect in relationships, reminding listeners of the value of setting boundaries to protect their energy and well-being.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;">#CommunicationSkills, </span>#EmotionalIntelligence, #HealthyBoundaries, #RelationshipTips, #ActiveListening, #ConflictResolution, #UnderstandingEmotions</p>
<h3 class="western">Communication, Boundaries, Emotional awareness, Conflict management, Rubber ducking, Context in relationships, Empathy</h3>
<p><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this episode, Fawn and Matt dive into the complexities of communication and the importance of understanding tone, context, and intent in conversations. They discuss the concept of "rubber ducking," a method of processing thoughts by talking them out, and reflect on how emotions often influence what is said—and unsaid—in relationships. Drawing parallels to acting techniques, they explore how examining motivations and circumstances can reduce misunderstandings and help navigate conflicts with empathy. Fawn shares a personal story about unintentionally offending a friend, emphasizing the importance of not taking things personally and recognizing others' emotional states. With humor and insight, they highlight the need for mutual respect in relationships, reminding listeners of the value of setting boundaries to protect their energy and well-being.
#CommunicationSkills, #EmotionalIntelligence, #HealthyBoundaries, #RelationshipTips, #ActiveListening, #ConflictResolution, #UnderstandingEmotions
Communication, Boundaries, Emotional awareness, Conflict management, Rubber ducking, Context in relationships, Empathy
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                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA["Behind the Words: Exploring Communication, Context, and Connection"]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;">In this episode, Fawn and Matt dive into the complexities of communication and the importance of understanding tone, context, and intent in conversations. They discuss the concept of "rubber ducking," a method of processing thoughts by talking them out, and reflect on how emotions often influence what is said—and unsaid—in relationships. Drawing parallels to acting techniques, they explore how examining motivations and circumstances can reduce misunderstandings and help navigate conflicts with empathy. Fawn shares a personal story about unintentionally offending a friend, emphasizing the importance of not taking things personally and recognizing others' emotional states. With humor and insight, they highlight the need for mutual respect in relationships, reminding listeners of the value of setting boundaries to protect their energy and well-being.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;">#CommunicationSkills, </span>#EmotionalIntelligence, #HealthyBoundaries, #RelationshipTips, #ActiveListening, #ConflictResolution, #UnderstandingEmotions</p>
<h3 class="western">Communication, Boundaries, Emotional awareness, Conflict management, Rubber ducking, Context in relationships, Empathy</h3>
<p><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this episode, Fawn and Matt dive into the complexities of communication and the importance of understanding tone, context, and intent in conversations. They discuss the concept of "rubber ducking," a method of processing thoughts by talking them out, and reflect on how emotions often influence what is said—and unsaid—in relationships. Drawing parallels to acting techniques, they explore how examining motivations and circumstances can reduce misunderstandings and help navigate conflicts with empathy. Fawn shares a personal story about unintentionally offending a friend, emphasizing the importance of not taking things personally and recognizing others' emotional states. With humor and insight, they highlight the need for mutual respect in relationships, reminding listeners of the value of setting boundaries to protect their energy and well-being.
#CommunicationSkills, #EmotionalIntelligence, #HealthyBoundaries, #RelationshipTips, #ActiveListening, #ConflictResolution, #UnderstandingEmotions
Communication, Boundaries, Emotional awareness, Conflict management, Rubber ducking, Context in relationships, Empathy
]]>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:26:07</itunes:duration>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Eye of the Storm]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2024 02:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;">This week's episode, </span><em><span style="font-size:medium;">Eye of the Storm</span></em><span style="font-size:medium;">, delves into the sense of "stuckness" many feel amid today's relentless pace and societal pressures. Fawn reflects on moments of self-doubt and the weight of overthinking, while Matt shares his recent eye-opening experiences in a high-stress work environment. Together, they discuss the importance of stepping back and re-evaluating priorities, especially when life's pressures make us feel like we're in the "eye of a hurricane." In a culture that demands constant productivity, Fawn and Matt explore the need to protect personal space, avoid burnout, and carve out time for genuine connection and self-reflection. </span></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">#EyeOfTheStorm, #MindfulLiving, #OvercomingFear, #PersonalGrowth, #WorkLifeBalance, #SelfReflection, #CreateWithoutLimits</span></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>self-doubt, mindfulness, stoicism, work culture, resilience, creating without fear, introspection</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This week's episode, Eye of the Storm, delves into the sense of "stuckness" many feel amid today's relentless pace and societal pressures. Fawn reflects on moments of self-doubt and the weight of overthinking, while Matt shares his recent eye-opening experiences in a high-stress work environment. Together, they discuss the importance of stepping back and re-evaluating priorities, especially when life's pressures make us feel like we're in the "eye of a hurricane." In a culture that demands constant productivity, Fawn and Matt explore the need to protect personal space, avoid burnout, and carve out time for genuine connection and self-reflection. 

#EyeOfTheStorm, #MindfulLiving, #OvercomingFear, #PersonalGrowth, #WorkLifeBalance, #SelfReflection, #CreateWithoutLimits

self-doubt, mindfulness, stoicism, work culture, resilience, creating without fear, introspection]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Eye of the Storm]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;">This week's episode, </span><em><span style="font-size:medium;">Eye of the Storm</span></em><span style="font-size:medium;">, delves into the sense of "stuckness" many feel amid today's relentless pace and societal pressures. Fawn reflects on moments of self-doubt and the weight of overthinking, while Matt shares his recent eye-opening experiences in a high-stress work environment. Together, they discuss the importance of stepping back and re-evaluating priorities, especially when life's pressures make us feel like we're in the "eye of a hurricane." In a culture that demands constant productivity, Fawn and Matt explore the need to protect personal space, avoid burnout, and carve out time for genuine connection and self-reflection. </span></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">#EyeOfTheStorm, #MindfulLiving, #OvercomingFear, #PersonalGrowth, #WorkLifeBalance, #SelfReflection, #CreateWithoutLimits</span></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p>self-doubt, mindfulness, stoicism, work culture, resilience, creating without fear, introspection</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This week's episode, Eye of the Storm, delves into the sense of "stuckness" many feel amid today's relentless pace and societal pressures. Fawn reflects on moments of self-doubt and the weight of overthinking, while Matt shares his recent eye-opening experiences in a high-stress work environment. Together, they discuss the importance of stepping back and re-evaluating priorities, especially when life's pressures make us feel like we're in the "eye of a hurricane." In a culture that demands constant productivity, Fawn and Matt explore the need to protect personal space, avoid burnout, and carve out time for genuine connection and self-reflection. 

#EyeOfTheStorm, #MindfulLiving, #OvercomingFear, #PersonalGrowth, #WorkLifeBalance, #SelfReflection, #CreateWithoutLimits

self-doubt, mindfulness, stoicism, work culture, resilience, creating without fear, introspection]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Rules for Radicals - Mind the Gap]]>
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                <pubDate>Sun, 03 Nov 2024 14:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;">In this episode, Fawn and Matt revisit the purpose behind their podcast, reflecting on how friendship and societal relationships have been affected by division and disconnection. Fawn shares personal experiences, starting with childhood memories of observing cultural differences and strained family interactions. She recounts how, as a young child, she sought comfort and guidance from her family’s old photo albums, feeling a connection with ancestors through their portraits, which helped her understand and cope with the negativity around her.</span></p>
<p>The conversation shifts to broader societal issues, with Fawn expressing concerns about forces that seem to undermine genuine relationships and community connections. She mentions her recent discovery of Saul Alinsky's controversial book, <em>Rules for Radicals</em>, which outlines tactics to destabilize systems. The tactics, Fawn suggests, mirror the divisive strategies she's observed over her lifetime. The couple plans to explore these tactics one by one, highlighting how they can prevent unity and affect friendships and communities. Matt and Fawn emphasize that their mission remains to foster healthy relationships, not just by identifying these tactics but by discussing ways to counteract them through awareness and positive action.</p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;">#OurFriendlyWorldPodcast #FawnAndMatt #RelationshipBoundaries #SocialTactics #Resilience #EmpathyInFriendship #UnityInDiversity #SelfAwareness #UnderstandingCulture </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;">Relationship boundaries, </span>Social influence tactics, Empathy in friendships, Personal resilience, Cultural dynamics, Collective mindset, Self-awareness and unity</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this episode, Fawn and Matt revisit the purpose behind their podcast, reflecting on how friendship and societal relationships have been affected by division and disconnection. Fawn shares personal experiences, starting with childhood memories of observing cultural differences and strained family interactions. She recounts how, as a young child, she sought comfort and guidance from her family’s old photo albums, feeling a connection with ancestors through their portraits, which helped her understand and cope with the negativity around her.
The conversation shifts to broader societal issues, with Fawn expressing concerns about forces that seem to undermine genuine relationships and community connections. She mentions her recent discovery of Saul Alinsky's controversial book, Rules for Radicals, which outlines tactics to destabilize systems. The tactics, Fawn suggests, mirror the divisive strategies she's observed over her lifetime. The couple plans to explore these tactics one by one, highlighting how they can prevent unity and affect friendships and communities. Matt and Fawn emphasize that their mission remains to foster healthy relationships, not just by identifying these tactics but by discussing ways to counteract them through awareness and positive action.
#OurFriendlyWorldPodcast #FawnAndMatt #RelationshipBoundaries #SocialTactics #Resilience #EmpathyInFriendship #UnityInDiversity #SelfAwareness #UnderstandingCulture 
Relationship boundaries, Social influence tactics, Empathy in friendships, Personal resilience, Cultural dynamics, Collective mindset, Self-awareness and unity]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Rules for Radicals - Mind the Gap]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;">In this episode, Fawn and Matt revisit the purpose behind their podcast, reflecting on how friendship and societal relationships have been affected by division and disconnection. Fawn shares personal experiences, starting with childhood memories of observing cultural differences and strained family interactions. She recounts how, as a young child, she sought comfort and guidance from her family’s old photo albums, feeling a connection with ancestors through their portraits, which helped her understand and cope with the negativity around her.</span></p>
<p>The conversation shifts to broader societal issues, with Fawn expressing concerns about forces that seem to undermine genuine relationships and community connections. She mentions her recent discovery of Saul Alinsky's controversial book, <em>Rules for Radicals</em>, which outlines tactics to destabilize systems. The tactics, Fawn suggests, mirror the divisive strategies she's observed over her lifetime. The couple plans to explore these tactics one by one, highlighting how they can prevent unity and affect friendships and communities. Matt and Fawn emphasize that their mission remains to foster healthy relationships, not just by identifying these tactics but by discussing ways to counteract them through awareness and positive action.</p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;">#OurFriendlyWorldPodcast #FawnAndMatt #RelationshipBoundaries #SocialTactics #Resilience #EmpathyInFriendship #UnityInDiversity #SelfAwareness #UnderstandingCulture </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;">Relationship boundaries, </span>Social influence tactics, Empathy in friendships, Personal resilience, Cultural dynamics, Collective mindset, Self-awareness and unity</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this episode, Fawn and Matt revisit the purpose behind their podcast, reflecting on how friendship and societal relationships have been affected by division and disconnection. Fawn shares personal experiences, starting with childhood memories of observing cultural differences and strained family interactions. She recounts how, as a young child, she sought comfort and guidance from her family’s old photo albums, feeling a connection with ancestors through their portraits, which helped her understand and cope with the negativity around her.
The conversation shifts to broader societal issues, with Fawn expressing concerns about forces that seem to undermine genuine relationships and community connections. She mentions her recent discovery of Saul Alinsky's controversial book, Rules for Radicals, which outlines tactics to destabilize systems. The tactics, Fawn suggests, mirror the divisive strategies she's observed over her lifetime. The couple plans to explore these tactics one by one, highlighting how they can prevent unity and affect friendships and communities. Matt and Fawn emphasize that their mission remains to foster healthy relationships, not just by identifying these tactics but by discussing ways to counteract them through awareness and positive action.
#OurFriendlyWorldPodcast #FawnAndMatt #RelationshipBoundaries #SocialTactics #Resilience #EmpathyInFriendship #UnityInDiversity #SelfAwareness #UnderstandingCulture 
Relationship boundaries, Social influence tactics, Empathy in friendships, Personal resilience, Cultural dynamics, Collective mindset, Self-awareness and unity]]>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:42:35</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Connoisseuring Something Awful, finding beauty and humor in the unexpected and unappealing]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 28 Oct 2024 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><strong><span style="font-size:small;">This week's episode, </span></strong><em><span style="font-size:small;">Connoisseuring Something Awful,</span></em><strong><span style="font-size:small;"> explores finding beauty and humor in the unexpected and unappealing. Fawn shares an excerpt from </span></strong><em><span style="font-size:small;">The Art of Noticing</span></em><strong><span style="font-size:small;"> and reflects on Timothy "Speed" Levitch’s philosophy of "cruising" through life, savoring even the most mundane or annoying experiences. Matt and Fawn then discuss their own experiences with embracing "awful" things—like watching bad movies for the joy of laughing at them. The conversation dives into reframing negativity, with Fawn recalling her college professor's poetic perspective on crowded spaces and her own tendency to "connoisseur" life's little annoyances. Together, they examine how adopting a playful mindset allows us to handle life’s frustrations with greater grace and humor. </span></strong></p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong><span style="font-size:small;">Mindful Observation, </span></strong><strong>Urban Life Humor, Appreciating Imperfection, Commuter Consciousness, Timothy Levitch Insights, Finding Joy in Chaos, Urban Mindfulness</strong></p>
<p>#MindfulLiving, #UrbanMindfulness, #FindBeautyInEverything, #LifeIsArt, #CreativityEveryday, #EmbraceImperfection, #CommuterLife</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This week's episode, Connoisseuring Something Awful, explores finding beauty and humor in the unexpected and unappealing. Fawn shares an excerpt from The Art of Noticing and reflects on Timothy "Speed" Levitch’s philosophy of "cruising" through life, savoring even the most mundane or annoying experiences. Matt and Fawn then discuss their own experiences with embracing "awful" things—like watching bad movies for the joy of laughing at them. The conversation dives into reframing negativity, with Fawn recalling her college professor's poetic perspective on crowded spaces and her own tendency to "connoisseur" life's little annoyances. Together, they examine how adopting a playful mindset allows us to handle life’s frustrations with greater grace and humor. 
 
Mindful Observation, Urban Life Humor, Appreciating Imperfection, Commuter Consciousness, Timothy Levitch Insights, Finding Joy in Chaos, Urban Mindfulness
#MindfulLiving, #UrbanMindfulness, #FindBeautyInEverything, #LifeIsArt, #CreativityEveryday, #EmbraceImperfection, #CommuterLife
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                    <![CDATA[<p><strong><span style="font-size:small;">This week's episode, </span></strong><em><span style="font-size:small;">Connoisseuring Something Awful,</span></em><strong><span style="font-size:small;"> explores finding beauty and humor in the unexpected and unappealing. Fawn shares an excerpt from </span></strong><em><span style="font-size:small;">The Art of Noticing</span></em><strong><span style="font-size:small;"> and reflects on Timothy "Speed" Levitch’s philosophy of "cruising" through life, savoring even the most mundane or annoying experiences. Matt and Fawn then discuss their own experiences with embracing "awful" things—like watching bad movies for the joy of laughing at them. The conversation dives into reframing negativity, with Fawn recalling her college professor's poetic perspective on crowded spaces and her own tendency to "connoisseur" life's little annoyances. Together, they examine how adopting a playful mindset allows us to handle life’s frustrations with greater grace and humor. </span></strong></p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong><span style="font-size:small;">Mindful Observation, </span></strong><strong>Urban Life Humor, Appreciating Imperfection, Commuter Consciousness, Timothy Levitch Insights, Finding Joy in Chaos, Urban Mindfulness</strong></p>
<p>#MindfulLiving, #UrbanMindfulness, #FindBeautyInEverything, #LifeIsArt, #CreativityEveryday, #EmbraceImperfection, #CommuterLife</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This week's episode, Connoisseuring Something Awful, explores finding beauty and humor in the unexpected and unappealing. Fawn shares an excerpt from The Art of Noticing and reflects on Timothy "Speed" Levitch’s philosophy of "cruising" through life, savoring even the most mundane or annoying experiences. Matt and Fawn then discuss their own experiences with embracing "awful" things—like watching bad movies for the joy of laughing at them. The conversation dives into reframing negativity, with Fawn recalling her college professor's poetic perspective on crowded spaces and her own tendency to "connoisseur" life's little annoyances. Together, they examine how adopting a playful mindset allows us to handle life’s frustrations with greater grace and humor. 
 
Mindful Observation, Urban Life Humor, Appreciating Imperfection, Commuter Consciousness, Timothy Levitch Insights, Finding Joy in Chaos, Urban Mindfulness
#MindfulLiving, #UrbanMindfulness, #FindBeautyInEverything, #LifeIsArt, #CreativityEveryday, #EmbraceImperfection, #CommuterLife
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:19:10</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Resistance and Isolation]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 21 Oct 2024 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;">In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, Fawn and Matt explore the need for isolation amidst a busy, fast-paced world, while reflecting on the balance between personal time and community connection. They discuss the importance of carving out even just 10 minutes a day for self-reflection, allowing space for deeper understanding and awareness. The episode also touches on the pressures of modern life, how it hampers our ability to nurture friendships and community, and the significance of creating intentional time to slow down. Through lighthearted anecdotes, like tackling a challenging puzzle, they emphasize the importance of both fun and mindfulness in our daily lives. </span></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;">Fawn and Matt dive into the art of finding balance between personal solitude and meaningful connections with others. They explore how, in a world filled with endless distractions, carving out time for yourself is key to deepening friendships and creating more authentic relationships. By sharing practical tips and personal stories, they reveal how just a few minutes of daily reflection can bring clarity, strengthen bonds, and make room for more joy in life. This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to build stronger, more intentional friendships while staying grounded in their own self-care. </span></p>
<h3 class="western"><br /><br /></h3>
<p>#HealthyBoundaries, #FriendshipGoals, #AuthenticRelationships, #SelfWorthMatters, #PersonalGrowth, #NavigatingFriendships, #EmotionalWellness</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Boundaries in friendships, Setting healthy limits, Authentic communication, Self-worth and relationships, Navigating emotional challenges, Conflict resolution in friendships, Friendship and personal growth</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, Fawn and Matt explore the need for isolation amidst a busy, fast-paced world, while reflecting on the balance between personal time and community connection. They discuss the importance of carving out even just 10 minutes a day for self-reflection, allowing space for deeper understanding and awareness. The episode also touches on the pressures of modern life, how it hampers our ability to nurture friendships and community, and the significance of creating intentional time to slow down. Through lighthearted anecdotes, like tackling a challenging puzzle, they emphasize the importance of both fun and mindfulness in our daily lives. 

Fawn and Matt dive into the art of finding balance between personal solitude and meaningful connections with others. They explore how, in a world filled with endless distractions, carving out time for yourself is key to deepening friendships and creating more authentic relationships. By sharing practical tips and personal stories, they reveal how just a few minutes of daily reflection can bring clarity, strengthen bonds, and make room for more joy in life. This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to build stronger, more intentional friendships while staying grounded in their own self-care. 

#HealthyBoundaries, #FriendshipGoals, #AuthenticRelationships, #SelfWorthMatters, #PersonalGrowth, #NavigatingFriendships, #EmotionalWellness
 
Boundaries in friendships, Setting healthy limits, Authentic communication, Self-worth and relationships, Navigating emotional challenges, Conflict resolution in friendships, Friendship and personal growth]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Resistance and Isolation]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;">In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, Fawn and Matt explore the need for isolation amidst a busy, fast-paced world, while reflecting on the balance between personal time and community connection. They discuss the importance of carving out even just 10 minutes a day for self-reflection, allowing space for deeper understanding and awareness. The episode also touches on the pressures of modern life, how it hampers our ability to nurture friendships and community, and the significance of creating intentional time to slow down. Through lighthearted anecdotes, like tackling a challenging puzzle, they emphasize the importance of both fun and mindfulness in our daily lives. </span></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;">Fawn and Matt dive into the art of finding balance between personal solitude and meaningful connections with others. They explore how, in a world filled with endless distractions, carving out time for yourself is key to deepening friendships and creating more authentic relationships. By sharing practical tips and personal stories, they reveal how just a few minutes of daily reflection can bring clarity, strengthen bonds, and make room for more joy in life. This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to build stronger, more intentional friendships while staying grounded in their own self-care. </span></p>
<h3 class="western"><br /><br /></h3>
<p>#HealthyBoundaries, #FriendshipGoals, #AuthenticRelationships, #SelfWorthMatters, #PersonalGrowth, #NavigatingFriendships, #EmotionalWellness</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Boundaries in friendships, Setting healthy limits, Authentic communication, Self-worth and relationships, Navigating emotional challenges, Conflict resolution in friendships, Friendship and personal growth</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, Fawn and Matt explore the need for isolation amidst a busy, fast-paced world, while reflecting on the balance between personal time and community connection. They discuss the importance of carving out even just 10 minutes a day for self-reflection, allowing space for deeper understanding and awareness. The episode also touches on the pressures of modern life, how it hampers our ability to nurture friendships and community, and the significance of creating intentional time to slow down. Through lighthearted anecdotes, like tackling a challenging puzzle, they emphasize the importance of both fun and mindfulness in our daily lives. 

Fawn and Matt dive into the art of finding balance between personal solitude and meaningful connections with others. They explore how, in a world filled with endless distractions, carving out time for yourself is key to deepening friendships and creating more authentic relationships. By sharing practical tips and personal stories, they reveal how just a few minutes of daily reflection can bring clarity, strengthen bonds, and make room for more joy in life. This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to build stronger, more intentional friendships while staying grounded in their own self-care. 

#HealthyBoundaries, #FriendshipGoals, #AuthenticRelationships, #SelfWorthMatters, #PersonalGrowth, #NavigatingFriendships, #EmotionalWellness
 
Boundaries in friendships, Setting healthy limits, Authentic communication, Self-worth and relationships, Navigating emotional challenges, Conflict resolution in friendships, Friendship and personal growth]]>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:25:24</itunes:duration>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The War on Art and Friendship]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 14 Oct 2024 04:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;">This week's episode offers a vulnerable look at how self-doubt can creep in, even during moments of triumph, and the importance of recognizing, naming, and overcoming these inner barriers. Fawn offers her recent personal experience and the duo illustrate how these lessons extend beyond career into relationships and personal growth. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">Fawn and Matt delve into the intricate dynamics of boundaries in relationships and the importance of self-worth. They share personal stories and insights about overcoming feelings of unworthiness, navigating vulnerability, and claiming one’s identity. Fawn reflects on a transformative experience in a crowded city, revealing how external pressures prompted an internal dialogue about self-acceptance and self-empowerment. Matt emphasizes the value of recognizing one's worth, despite challenges and past struggles, and the duo discusses how grounding techniques and a strong sense of self can lead to healthier relationships. The conversation is both enlightening and relatable, offering listeners practical tools for building resilience and authenticity in their own lives.</span></p>
<h3 class="western"><br /><br /></h3>
<p>The War on Art, Dealing with negative forces, Boundaries, Self-worth, Vulnerability, Resilience, Identity, Empowerment, Relationships</p>
<h3 class="western"><span style="font-size:small;">#WarOnArt, #DealingWithNegativeForces, </span>#Boundaries, #SelfWorth, #Vulnerability, #Resilience, #Identity, #Empowerment, #HealthyRelationships</h3>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This week's episode offers a vulnerable look at how self-doubt can creep in, even during moments of triumph, and the importance of recognizing, naming, and overcoming these inner barriers. Fawn offers her recent personal experience and the duo illustrate how these lessons extend beyond career into relationships and personal growth. 
Fawn and Matt delve into the intricate dynamics of boundaries in relationships and the importance of self-worth. They share personal stories and insights about overcoming feelings of unworthiness, navigating vulnerability, and claiming one’s identity. Fawn reflects on a transformative experience in a crowded city, revealing how external pressures prompted an internal dialogue about self-acceptance and self-empowerment. Matt emphasizes the value of recognizing one's worth, despite challenges and past struggles, and the duo discusses how grounding techniques and a strong sense of self can lead to healthier relationships. The conversation is both enlightening and relatable, offering listeners practical tools for building resilience and authenticity in their own lives.

The War on Art, Dealing with negative forces, Boundaries, Self-worth, Vulnerability, Resilience, Identity, Empowerment, Relationships
#WarOnArt, #DealingWithNegativeForces, #Boundaries, #SelfWorth, #Vulnerability, #Resilience, #Identity, #Empowerment, #HealthyRelationships]]>
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                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[The War on Art and Friendship]]>
                </itunes:title>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;">This week's episode offers a vulnerable look at how self-doubt can creep in, even during moments of triumph, and the importance of recognizing, naming, and overcoming these inner barriers. Fawn offers her recent personal experience and the duo illustrate how these lessons extend beyond career into relationships and personal growth. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">Fawn and Matt delve into the intricate dynamics of boundaries in relationships and the importance of self-worth. They share personal stories and insights about overcoming feelings of unworthiness, navigating vulnerability, and claiming one’s identity. Fawn reflects on a transformative experience in a crowded city, revealing how external pressures prompted an internal dialogue about self-acceptance and self-empowerment. Matt emphasizes the value of recognizing one's worth, despite challenges and past struggles, and the duo discusses how grounding techniques and a strong sense of self can lead to healthier relationships. The conversation is both enlightening and relatable, offering listeners practical tools for building resilience and authenticity in their own lives.</span></p>
<h3 class="western"><br /><br /></h3>
<p>The War on Art, Dealing with negative forces, Boundaries, Self-worth, Vulnerability, Resilience, Identity, Empowerment, Relationships</p>
<h3 class="western"><span style="font-size:small;">#WarOnArt, #DealingWithNegativeForces, </span>#Boundaries, #SelfWorth, #Vulnerability, #Resilience, #Identity, #Empowerment, #HealthyRelationships</h3>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This week's episode offers a vulnerable look at how self-doubt can creep in, even during moments of triumph, and the importance of recognizing, naming, and overcoming these inner barriers. Fawn offers her recent personal experience and the duo illustrate how these lessons extend beyond career into relationships and personal growth. 
Fawn and Matt delve into the intricate dynamics of boundaries in relationships and the importance of self-worth. They share personal stories and insights about overcoming feelings of unworthiness, navigating vulnerability, and claiming one’s identity. Fawn reflects on a transformative experience in a crowded city, revealing how external pressures prompted an internal dialogue about self-acceptance and self-empowerment. Matt emphasizes the value of recognizing one's worth, despite challenges and past struggles, and the duo discusses how grounding techniques and a strong sense of self can lead to healthier relationships. The conversation is both enlightening and relatable, offering listeners practical tools for building resilience and authenticity in their own lives.

The War on Art, Dealing with negative forces, Boundaries, Self-worth, Vulnerability, Resilience, Identity, Empowerment, Relationships
#WarOnArt, #DealingWithNegativeForces, #Boundaries, #SelfWorth, #Vulnerability, #Resilience, #Identity, #Empowerment, #HealthyRelationships]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The Expert Syndrome Paradox]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 07 Oct 2024 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                    https://permalink.castos.com/podcast/11391/episode/1852544</guid>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;">In this week's episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we explore the transformative power of perspective and how it shapes our lives, friendships, and communities. Fawn reflects on her time in Santa Monica, drawing parallels between personal growth and unexpected lessons from the show <em>Emily in Paris</em>. Matt dives into the surprising connections between architecture, software development, and life design, highlighting how everything is interconnected. Together, they unravel the importance of being the expert of your own life, trusting your instincts, and avoiding the influence of false prophets. Tune in for thought-provoking insights, heartwarming stories, and a reminder that the way you focus can change everything. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;">#PerspectiveShift, </span>#PersonalGrowth, #ExpertOfYourLife, #FriendshipMatters, #LifeLessons, #TransformYourWorld, #Interconnectedness</p>
<h3 class="western"> </h3>
<p>Perspective in life, Personal growth journey, Being your own expert, Friendship and transformation, Changing your focus, Avoiding false prophets, Architecture and life design connection</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>]]>
                                    </description>
                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[In this week's episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, we explore the transformative power of perspective and how it shapes our lives, friendships, and communities. Fawn reflects on her time in Santa Monica, drawing parallels between personal growth and unexpected lessons from the show Emily in Paris. Matt dives into the surprising connections between architecture, software development, and life design, highlighting how everything is interconnected. Together, they unravel the importance of being the expert of your own life, trusting your instincts, and avoiding the influence of false prophets. Tune in for thought-provoking insights, heartwarming stories, and a reminder that the way you focus can change everything. 
#PerspectiveShift, #PersonalGrowth, #ExpertOfYourLife, #FriendshipMatters, #LifeLessons, #TransformYourWorld, #Interconnectedness
 
Perspective in life, Personal growth journey, Being your own expert, Friendship and transformation, Changing your focus, Avoiding false prophets, Architecture and life design connection
]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The Expert Syndrome Paradox]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;">In this week's episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, we explore the transformative power of perspective and how it shapes our lives, friendships, and communities. Fawn reflects on her time in Santa Monica, drawing parallels between personal growth and unexpected lessons from the show <em>Emily in Paris</em>. Matt dives into the surprising connections between architecture, software development, and life design, highlighting how everything is interconnected. Together, they unravel the importance of being the expert of your own life, trusting your instincts, and avoiding the influence of false prophets. Tune in for thought-provoking insights, heartwarming stories, and a reminder that the way you focus can change everything. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;">#PerspectiveShift, </span>#PersonalGrowth, #ExpertOfYourLife, #FriendshipMatters, #LifeLessons, #TransformYourWorld, #Interconnectedness</p>
<h3 class="western"> </h3>
<p>Perspective in life, Personal growth journey, Being your own expert, Friendship and transformation, Changing your focus, Avoiding false prophets, Architecture and life design connection</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this week's episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, we explore the transformative power of perspective and how it shapes our lives, friendships, and communities. Fawn reflects on her time in Santa Monica, drawing parallels between personal growth and unexpected lessons from the show Emily in Paris. Matt dives into the surprising connections between architecture, software development, and life design, highlighting how everything is interconnected. Together, they unravel the importance of being the expert of your own life, trusting your instincts, and avoiding the influence of false prophets. Tune in for thought-provoking insights, heartwarming stories, and a reminder that the way you focus can change everything. 
#PerspectiveShift, #PersonalGrowth, #ExpertOfYourLife, #FriendshipMatters, #LifeLessons, #TransformYourWorld, #Interconnectedness
 
Perspective in life, Personal growth journey, Being your own expert, Friendship and transformation, Changing your focus, Avoiding false prophets, Architecture and life design connection
]]>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:30:00</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[You Were Right and I Was Wrong]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 30 Sep 2024 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;">Fawn reflects on a powerful lesson in empathy and self-awareness. Titled "You Were Right and I Was Wrong," the discussion dives into how emotional connections can cloud judgment, leading to misunderstandings in friendships. Matt offers a logical perspective on handling relationships, helping Fawn see that sometimes stepping back can bring clarity. Together, they explore the dynamics of friendship, vulnerability, and trust, offering listeners insightful takeaways on how to salvage connections and maintain meaningful relationships.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;">Fawn confronts her fears of judgment and insecurity in friendships, while Matt sheds light on the balance between logic and emotion. Together, they explore how emotional triggers from past experiences can cloud our perception of relationships, leading to unnecessary conflict. Fawn shares a vulnerable moment of nearly losing a friendship due to misunderstanding, while Matt provides insights on how to remain objective and empathetic in navigating relationships. This episode is a must-listen for anyone seeking to strengthen their connections and learn the art of emotional intelligence in friendships.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"> #FriendshipGoals, #EmotionalIntelligence, #RelationshipAdvice, #OvercomingInsecurities, #PersonalGrowth, #HealingConnections, #SelfAwarenessJourney, #FriendshipGoals, #EmotionalIntelligence, #RelationshipAdvice, #EmpathyMatters, #PersonalGrowthJourney, #PodcastLife, #MentalHealthAwareness</span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn reflects on a powerful lesson in empathy and self-awareness. Titled "You Were Right and I Was Wrong," the discussion dives into how emotional connections can cloud judgment, leading to misunderstandings in friendships. Matt offers a logical perspective on handling relationships, helping Fawn see that sometimes stepping back can bring clarity. Together, they explore the dynamics of friendship, vulnerability, and trust, offering listeners insightful takeaways on how to salvage connections and maintain meaningful relationships.
Fawn confronts her fears of judgment and insecurity in friendships, while Matt sheds light on the balance between logic and emotion. Together, they explore how emotional triggers from past experiences can cloud our perception of relationships, leading to unnecessary conflict. Fawn shares a vulnerable moment of nearly losing a friendship due to misunderstanding, while Matt provides insights on how to remain objective and empathetic in navigating relationships. This episode is a must-listen for anyone seeking to strengthen their connections and learn the art of emotional intelligence in friendships.
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<p><span style="font-size:medium;">Fawn confronts her fears of judgment and insecurity in friendships, while Matt sheds light on the balance between logic and emotion. Together, they explore how emotional triggers from past experiences can cloud our perception of relationships, leading to unnecessary conflict. Fawn shares a vulnerable moment of nearly losing a friendship due to misunderstanding, while Matt provides insights on how to remain objective and empathetic in navigating relationships. This episode is a must-listen for anyone seeking to strengthen their connections and learn the art of emotional intelligence in friendships.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"> #FriendshipGoals, #EmotionalIntelligence, #RelationshipAdvice, #OvercomingInsecurities, #PersonalGrowth, #HealingConnections, #SelfAwarenessJourney, #FriendshipGoals, #EmotionalIntelligence, #RelationshipAdvice, #EmpathyMatters, #PersonalGrowthJourney, #PodcastLife, #MentalHealthAwareness</span></p>]]>
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Fawn confronts her fears of judgment and insecurity in friendships, while Matt sheds light on the balance between logic and emotion. Together, they explore how emotional triggers from past experiences can cloud our perception of relationships, leading to unnecessary conflict. Fawn shares a vulnerable moment of nearly losing a friendship due to misunderstanding, while Matt provides insights on how to remain objective and empathetic in navigating relationships. This episode is a must-listen for anyone seeking to strengthen their connections and learn the art of emotional intelligence in friendships.
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                    <![CDATA[Be Yourself]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 23 Sep 2024 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;">In this week’s episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, titled <strong>"Be Yourself"</strong>, Fawn and Matt discuss the challenges of staying authentic when misunderstood by others. Fawn shares a personal story about a strained friendship, where her genuine intentions were questioned, leading to feelings of sadness and doubt. The episode highlights the importance of maintaining kindness, open-heartedness, and happiness, even when others may misinterpret these qualities. Ultimately, the message is clear: continue being yourself, no matter how others react.</span></p>
<p>#BeYourself, #Authenticity, #EmotionalResilience, #PersonalGrowth, #FriendshipMatters, #OpenHearted, #TrueSelf</p>
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                    <![CDATA[In this week’s episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt, titled "Be Yourself", Fawn and Matt discuss the challenges of staying authentic when misunderstood by others. Fawn shares a personal story about a strained friendship, where her genuine intentions were questioned, leading to feelings of sadness and doubt. The episode highlights the importance of maintaining kindness, open-heartedness, and happiness, even when others may misinterpret these qualities. Ultimately, the message is clear: continue being yourself, no matter how others react.
#BeYourself, #Authenticity, #EmotionalResilience, #PersonalGrowth, #FriendshipMatters, #OpenHearted, #TrueSelf
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;">In this week’s episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em>, titled <strong>"Be Yourself"</strong>, Fawn and Matt discuss the challenges of staying authentic when misunderstood by others. Fawn shares a personal story about a strained friendship, where her genuine intentions were questioned, leading to feelings of sadness and doubt. The episode highlights the importance of maintaining kindness, open-heartedness, and happiness, even when others may misinterpret these qualities. Ultimately, the message is clear: continue being yourself, no matter how others react.</span></p>
<p>#BeYourself, #Authenticity, #EmotionalResilience, #PersonalGrowth, #FriendshipMatters, #OpenHearted, #TrueSelf</p>
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#BeYourself, #Authenticity, #EmotionalResilience, #PersonalGrowth, #FriendshipMatters, #OpenHearted, #TrueSelf
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                    <![CDATA[Meetups and Coolers]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 16 Sep 2024 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;">This week's episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em> explores the sometimes awkward but ultimately rewarding experience of stepping out of your comfort zone to meet new people. From being the "new guy" to making connections in an unfamiliar environment, Matt shares insights on how approaching social situations can help ease nerves and foster meaningful interactions. Fawn and Matt discuss the parallels between shifting landscapes in the tech world and broader societal changes, reminding us that uncertainty can create opportunities for growth and connection.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">#MeetupsAndConnections, #BuildingFriendships, #SocialAnxietyTips, #CommunityNetworking, #Meetups, #NewConnections, #FriendshipJourney</span></p>
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<p>Meetup group experiences, Navigating social anxiety, Building new connections, Co-working space meetups, Overcoming awkward social situations, Networking tips for beginners, Finding like-minded people</p>
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                    <![CDATA[This week's episode of Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt explores the sometimes awkward but ultimately rewarding experience of stepping out of your comfort zone to meet new people. From being the "new guy" to making connections in an unfamiliar environment, Matt shares insights on how approaching social situations can help ease nerves and foster meaningful interactions. Fawn and Matt discuss the parallels between shifting landscapes in the tech world and broader societal changes, reminding us that uncertainty can create opportunities for growth and connection.
#MeetupsAndConnections, #BuildingFriendships, #SocialAnxietyTips, #CommunityNetworking, #Meetups, #NewConnections, #FriendshipJourney

Meetup group experiences, Navigating social anxiety, Building new connections, Co-working space meetups, Overcoming awkward social situations, Networking tips for beginners, Finding like-minded people
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;">This week's episode of <em>Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt</em> explores the sometimes awkward but ultimately rewarding experience of stepping out of your comfort zone to meet new people. From being the "new guy" to making connections in an unfamiliar environment, Matt shares insights on how approaching social situations can help ease nerves and foster meaningful interactions. Fawn and Matt discuss the parallels between shifting landscapes in the tech world and broader societal changes, reminding us that uncertainty can create opportunities for growth and connection.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">#MeetupsAndConnections, #BuildingFriendships, #SocialAnxietyTips, #CommunityNetworking, #Meetups, #NewConnections, #FriendshipJourney</span></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
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#MeetupsAndConnections, #BuildingFriendships, #SocialAnxietyTips, #CommunityNetworking, #Meetups, #NewConnections, #FriendshipJourney

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                    <![CDATA["Kintsugi and Friendship: How to Heal After Heartbreak and Strengthen Bonds"]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 09 Sep 2024 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;">"In this episode, Fawn and Matt discuss the universal experience of heartbreak and how to rebuild after emotional setbacks. Drawing inspiration from the Japanese art of kintsugi, they explore how the cracks left by heartbreak can be filled with new strength, much like how broken ceramics are mended with gold. The conversation touches on vulnerability, resilience, and the importance of allowing others into your life after loss, whether in friendships or romantic relationships. Tune in for insights on embracing imperfections and finding beauty in healing." </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;">#HealingHeartbreak, </span>#MendFriendships, #KintsugiLife, #EmbraceImperfections, #FriendshipHealing, #EmotionalResilience, #NewBeginnings</p>
<p>Heartbreak, Kintsugi, Friendship healing, Emotional resilience, Vulnerability, Rebuilding relationships, Embracing imperfections</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA["In this episode, Fawn and Matt discuss the universal experience of heartbreak and how to rebuild after emotional setbacks. Drawing inspiration from the Japanese art of kintsugi, they explore how the cracks left by heartbreak can be filled with new strength, much like how broken ceramics are mended with gold. The conversation touches on vulnerability, resilience, and the importance of allowing others into your life after loss, whether in friendships or romantic relationships. Tune in for insights on embracing imperfections and finding beauty in healing." 
#HealingHeartbreak, #MendFriendships, #KintsugiLife, #EmbraceImperfections, #FriendshipHealing, #EmotionalResilience, #NewBeginnings
Heartbreak, Kintsugi, Friendship healing, Emotional resilience, Vulnerability, Rebuilding relationships, Embracing imperfections]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;">"In this episode, Fawn and Matt discuss the universal experience of heartbreak and how to rebuild after emotional setbacks. Drawing inspiration from the Japanese art of kintsugi, they explore how the cracks left by heartbreak can be filled with new strength, much like how broken ceramics are mended with gold. The conversation touches on vulnerability, resilience, and the importance of allowing others into your life after loss, whether in friendships or romantic relationships. Tune in for insights on embracing imperfections and finding beauty in healing." </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;">#HealingHeartbreak, </span>#MendFriendships, #KintsugiLife, #EmbraceImperfections, #FriendshipHealing, #EmotionalResilience, #NewBeginnings</p>
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#HealingHeartbreak, #MendFriendships, #KintsugiLife, #EmbraceImperfections, #FriendshipHealing, #EmotionalResilience, #NewBeginnings
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                    <![CDATA["Like Hearted vs Like Minded: The Key to Meaningful Friendships"]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2024 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;">"Like Hearted vs Like Minded: The Key to Meaningful Friendships" </span></p>
<h3 class="western"><span style="font-size:medium;">Episode Summary:</span></h3>
<p>In this episode, Fawn and Matt discuss the difference between like-minded and like-hearted individuals. The conversation delves into the challenges of forming deep connections in a world where people often cluster with those who share similar views, leading to echo chambers. Fawn reflects on personal experiences where like-hearted connections were complicated by differing religious, political, or cultural views. Matt shares his approach to connecting with people beyond surface-level affiliations. They both explore the importance of openness and genuine interaction in discovering true like-heartedness in friendships and relationships.</p>
<p>#LikeHearted, #GenuineConnections, #DeepConversations, #FriendshipMatters, #Openness, #BreakingBarriers, #AuthenticLiving</p>
<h3 class="western">Keywords:</h3>
<p>Like-Hearted, Connection, Openness, Prejudice, Relationships, Authenticity, Communication</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA["Like Hearted vs Like Minded: The Key to Meaningful Friendships" 
Episode Summary:
In this episode, Fawn and Matt discuss the difference between like-minded and like-hearted individuals. The conversation delves into the challenges of forming deep connections in a world where people often cluster with those who share similar views, leading to echo chambers. Fawn reflects on personal experiences where like-hearted connections were complicated by differing religious, political, or cultural views. Matt shares his approach to connecting with people beyond surface-level affiliations. They both explore the importance of openness and genuine interaction in discovering true like-heartedness in friendships and relationships.
#LikeHearted, #GenuineConnections, #DeepConversations, #FriendshipMatters, #Openness, #BreakingBarriers, #AuthenticLiving
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Like-Hearted, Connection, Openness, Prejudice, Relationships, Authenticity, Communication]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;">"Like Hearted vs Like Minded: The Key to Meaningful Friendships" </span></p>
<h3 class="western"><span style="font-size:medium;">Episode Summary:</span></h3>
<p>In this episode, Fawn and Matt discuss the difference between like-minded and like-hearted individuals. The conversation delves into the challenges of forming deep connections in a world where people often cluster with those who share similar views, leading to echo chambers. Fawn reflects on personal experiences where like-hearted connections were complicated by differing religious, political, or cultural views. Matt shares his approach to connecting with people beyond surface-level affiliations. They both explore the importance of openness and genuine interaction in discovering true like-heartedness in friendships and relationships.</p>
<p>#LikeHearted, #GenuineConnections, #DeepConversations, #FriendshipMatters, #Openness, #BreakingBarriers, #AuthenticLiving</p>
<h3 class="western">Keywords:</h3>
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In this episode, Fawn and Matt discuss the difference between like-minded and like-hearted individuals. The conversation delves into the challenges of forming deep connections in a world where people often cluster with those who share similar views, leading to echo chambers. Fawn reflects on personal experiences where like-hearted connections were complicated by differing religious, political, or cultural views. Matt shares his approach to connecting with people beyond surface-level affiliations. They both explore the importance of openness and genuine interaction in discovering true like-heartedness in friendships and relationships.
#LikeHearted, #GenuineConnections, #DeepConversations, #FriendshipMatters, #Openness, #BreakingBarriers, #AuthenticLiving
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                    <![CDATA["Chaz Ebert on the Power of FECK: Transforming Lives with Forgiveness, Empathy, Compassion, and Kindness"]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 26 Aug 2024 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;">In this compelling episode, Fawn and Matt are joined by the remarkable Chaz Ebert, who shares insights from her powerful new book, <em>"It's Time to Give a FECK: Elevating Humanity Through Forgiveness, Empathy, Compassion, and Kindness."</em> Through deeply personal stories, including the telepathic connection she shared with her late husband, Roger Ebert, Chaz delves into how FECK can transform lives and communities. Together, they explore the profound impact of authentic communication, the contagious power of positivity, and the vital role of empathy in creating a more compassionate world. This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to infuse their life with meaning and heart.</span></p>
<p> https://www.rogerebert.com/</p>
<p>#ChazEbert, #FECKPrinciples, #EmpathyInAction, #ForgivenessJourney, #KindnessMatters, #CompassionateLiving, #InspireChange</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this compelling episode, Fawn and Matt are joined by the remarkable Chaz Ebert, who shares insights from her powerful new book, "It's Time to Give a FECK: Elevating Humanity Through Forgiveness, Empathy, Compassion, and Kindness." Through deeply personal stories, including the telepathic connection she shared with her late husband, Roger Ebert, Chaz delves into how FECK can transform lives and communities. Together, they explore the profound impact of authentic communication, the contagious power of positivity, and the vital role of empathy in creating a more compassionate world. This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to infuse their life with meaning and heart.
 https://www.rogerebert.com/
#ChazEbert, #FECKPrinciples, #EmpathyInAction, #ForgivenessJourney, #KindnessMatters, #CompassionateLiving, #InspireChange]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;">In this compelling episode, Fawn and Matt are joined by the remarkable Chaz Ebert, who shares insights from her powerful new book, <em>"It's Time to Give a FECK: Elevating Humanity Through Forgiveness, Empathy, Compassion, and Kindness."</em> Through deeply personal stories, including the telepathic connection she shared with her late husband, Roger Ebert, Chaz delves into how FECK can transform lives and communities. Together, they explore the profound impact of authentic communication, the contagious power of positivity, and the vital role of empathy in creating a more compassionate world. This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to infuse their life with meaning and heart.</span></p>
<p> https://www.rogerebert.com/</p>
<p>#ChazEbert, #FECKPrinciples, #EmpathyInAction, #ForgivenessJourney, #KindnessMatters, #CompassionateLiving, #InspireChange</p>]]>
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 https://www.rogerebert.com/
#ChazEbert, #FECKPrinciples, #EmpathyInAction, #ForgivenessJourney, #KindnessMatters, #CompassionateLiving, #InspireChange]]>
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                    <![CDATA["When Boundaries Break: Navigating Friendship Challenges and Personal Growth"]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2024 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><strong>"When Boundaries Break: Navigating Friendship Challenges and Personal Growth"</strong></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:medium;">In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World</em>, we dive deep into the complex world of boundaries and how they impact our friendships and self-worth. Fawn shares personal stories of navigating difficult situations, where her boundaries were tested, leading to heartbreak and valuable life lessons. With insights from close friends, the discussion explores how to establish and maintain boundaries, the importance of self-respect, and the courage it takes to stand up for oneself, even when it means risking being seen as the "bad person." Tune in for an honest conversation on the challenges of protecting your emotional well-being while nurturing healthy relationships. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:medium;">This episode revolves around the theme of boundaries in relationships and personal interactions. Fawn and Matt discuss their experiences and insights regarding how boundaries are tested, the challenges of maintaining them, and the importance of asserting oneself without feeling guilty or being labeled negatively. They share personal anecdotes and draw parallels to broader philosophical and practical implications, emphasizing the need for clear communication and self-advocacy in navigating various social dynamics.</span></p>
<p>#HealthyBoundaries, #FriendshipChallenges, #SelfRespect, #EmotionalWellbeing, #PersonalGrowth, #LifeLessons, #PodcastCommunity</p>
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"When Boundaries Break: Navigating Friendship Challenges and Personal Growth"
 
In this episode of Our Friendly World, we dive deep into the complex world of boundaries and how they impact our friendships and self-worth. Fawn shares personal stories of navigating difficult situations, where her boundaries were tested, leading to heartbreak and valuable life lessons. With insights from close friends, the discussion explores how to establish and maintain boundaries, the importance of self-respect, and the courage it takes to stand up for oneself, even when it means risking being seen as the "bad person." Tune in for an honest conversation on the challenges of protecting your emotional well-being while nurturing healthy relationships. 





This episode revolves around the theme of boundaries in relationships and personal interactions. Fawn and Matt discuss their experiences and insights regarding how boundaries are tested, the challenges of maintaining them, and the importance of asserting oneself without feeling guilty or being labeled negatively. They share personal anecdotes and draw parallels to broader philosophical and practical implications, emphasizing the need for clear communication and self-advocacy in navigating various social dynamics.
#HealthyBoundaries, #FriendshipChallenges, #SelfRespect, #EmotionalWellbeing, #PersonalGrowth, #LifeLessons, #PodcastCommunity
 
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<p><span style="font-size:medium;">In this episode of <em>Our Friendly World</em>, we dive deep into the complex world of boundaries and how they impact our friendships and self-worth. Fawn shares personal stories of navigating difficult situations, where her boundaries were tested, leading to heartbreak and valuable life lessons. With insights from close friends, the discussion explores how to establish and maintain boundaries, the importance of self-respect, and the courage it takes to stand up for oneself, even when it means risking being seen as the "bad person." Tune in for an honest conversation on the challenges of protecting your emotional well-being while nurturing healthy relationships. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:medium;">This episode revolves around the theme of boundaries in relationships and personal interactions. Fawn and Matt discuss their experiences and insights regarding how boundaries are tested, the challenges of maintaining them, and the importance of asserting oneself without feeling guilty or being labeled negatively. They share personal anecdotes and draw parallels to broader philosophical and practical implications, emphasizing the need for clear communication and self-advocacy in navigating various social dynamics.</span></p>
<p>#HealthyBoundaries, #FriendshipChallenges, #SelfRespect, #EmotionalWellbeing, #PersonalGrowth, #LifeLessons, #PodcastCommunity</p>
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"When Boundaries Break: Navigating Friendship Challenges and Personal Growth"
 
In this episode of Our Friendly World, we dive deep into the complex world of boundaries and how they impact our friendships and self-worth. Fawn shares personal stories of navigating difficult situations, where her boundaries were tested, leading to heartbreak and valuable life lessons. With insights from close friends, the discussion explores how to establish and maintain boundaries, the importance of self-respect, and the courage it takes to stand up for oneself, even when it means risking being seen as the "bad person." Tune in for an honest conversation on the challenges of protecting your emotional well-being while nurturing healthy relationships. 





This episode revolves around the theme of boundaries in relationships and personal interactions. Fawn and Matt discuss their experiences and insights regarding how boundaries are tested, the challenges of maintaining them, and the importance of asserting oneself without feeling guilty or being labeled negatively. They share personal anecdotes and draw parallels to broader philosophical and practical implications, emphasizing the need for clear communication and self-advocacy in navigating various social dynamics.
#HealthyBoundaries, #FriendshipChallenges, #SelfRespect, #EmotionalWellbeing, #PersonalGrowth, #LifeLessons, #PodcastCommunity
 
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                    <![CDATA[The Art of Being INTERESTED, not Interesting]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 12 Aug 2024 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;">This week's episode dives into the heart of what makes true connections flourish—genuine interest in others. Join us as we explore the power of curiosity and the importance of being interested, rather than just trying to be interesting. Through personal stories and relatable struggles, we uncover how asking the right questions and embracing vulnerability can lead to deeper, more meaningful friendships. Whether you're navigating new social situations or rekindling old relationships, this episode is a reminder that the strongest bonds are built not on what you say, but on how much you care about what others have to share. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;">#BuildingConnections, </span>#TrueFriendship, #MeaningfulConversations, #GenuineConnections, #CuriosityMatters, #FriendshipGoals, #BeInterested</p>
<p><strong><span style="font-size:medium;">Genuine Connections</span></strong><span style="font-size:medium;"> - Emphasizes the focus on authentic relationships.</span></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-size:medium;">Power of Curiosity</span></strong><span style="font-size:medium;"> - Highlights the importance of curiosity in building friendships.</span></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-size:medium;">Be Interested, Not Interesting</span></strong><span style="font-size:medium;"> - A key phrase that encapsulates the episode’s main advice for forming meaningful bonds.</span></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-size:medium;">Asking the Right Questions</span></strong><span style="font-size:medium;"> - Points to the value of inquiry in deepening friendships.</span></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-size:medium;">Embracing Vulnerability</span></strong><span style="font-size:medium;"> - Appeals to those who understand that openness is crucial to close relationships.</span></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-size:medium;">Deeper, Meaningful Friendships</span></strong><span style="font-size:medium;"> - Directly speaks to the kind of relationships the audience is seeking.</span></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-size:medium;">Relatable Struggles</span></strong><span style="font-size:medium;"> - Ensures listeners feel understood and connects to shared human experiences.</span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This week's episode dives into the heart of what makes true connections flourish—genuine interest in others. Join us as we explore the power of curiosity and the importance of being interested, rather than just trying to be interesting. Through personal stories and relatable struggles, we uncover how asking the right questions and embracing vulnerability can lead to deeper, more meaningful friendships. Whether you're navigating new social situations or rekindling old relationships, this episode is a reminder that the strongest bonds are built not on what you say, but on how much you care about what others have to share. 
#BuildingConnections, #TrueFriendship, #MeaningfulConversations, #GenuineConnections, #CuriosityMatters, #FriendshipGoals, #BeInterested
Genuine Connections - Emphasizes the focus on authentic relationships.
Power of Curiosity - Highlights the importance of curiosity in building friendships.
Be Interested, Not Interesting - A key phrase that encapsulates the episode’s main advice for forming meaningful bonds.
Asking the Right Questions - Points to the value of inquiry in deepening friendships.
Embracing Vulnerability - Appeals to those who understand that openness is crucial to close relationships.
Deeper, Meaningful Friendships - Directly speaks to the kind of relationships the audience is seeking.
Relatable Struggles - Ensures listeners feel understood and connects to shared human experiences.]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;">This week's episode dives into the heart of what makes true connections flourish—genuine interest in others. Join us as we explore the power of curiosity and the importance of being interested, rather than just trying to be interesting. Through personal stories and relatable struggles, we uncover how asking the right questions and embracing vulnerability can lead to deeper, more meaningful friendships. Whether you're navigating new social situations or rekindling old relationships, this episode is a reminder that the strongest bonds are built not on what you say, but on how much you care about what others have to share. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;">#BuildingConnections, </span>#TrueFriendship, #MeaningfulConversations, #GenuineConnections, #CuriosityMatters, #FriendshipGoals, #BeInterested</p>
<p><strong><span style="font-size:medium;">Genuine Connections</span></strong><span style="font-size:medium;"> - Emphasizes the focus on authentic relationships.</span></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-size:medium;">Power of Curiosity</span></strong><span style="font-size:medium;"> - Highlights the importance of curiosity in building friendships.</span></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-size:medium;">Be Interested, Not Interesting</span></strong><span style="font-size:medium;"> - A key phrase that encapsulates the episode’s main advice for forming meaningful bonds.</span></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-size:medium;">Asking the Right Questions</span></strong><span style="font-size:medium;"> - Points to the value of inquiry in deepening friendships.</span></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-size:medium;">Embracing Vulnerability</span></strong><span style="font-size:medium;"> - Appeals to those who understand that openness is crucial to close relationships.</span></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-size:medium;">Deeper, Meaningful Friendships</span></strong><span style="font-size:medium;"> - Directly speaks to the kind of relationships the audience is seeking.</span></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-size:medium;">Relatable Struggles</span></strong><span style="font-size:medium;"> - Ensures listeners feel understood and connects to shared human experiences.</span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This week's episode dives into the heart of what makes true connections flourish—genuine interest in others. Join us as we explore the power of curiosity and the importance of being interested, rather than just trying to be interesting. Through personal stories and relatable struggles, we uncover how asking the right questions and embracing vulnerability can lead to deeper, more meaningful friendships. Whether you're navigating new social situations or rekindling old relationships, this episode is a reminder that the strongest bonds are built not on what you say, but on how much you care about what others have to share. 
#BuildingConnections, #TrueFriendship, #MeaningfulConversations, #GenuineConnections, #CuriosityMatters, #FriendshipGoals, #BeInterested
Genuine Connections - Emphasizes the focus on authentic relationships.
Power of Curiosity - Highlights the importance of curiosity in building friendships.
Be Interested, Not Interesting - A key phrase that encapsulates the episode’s main advice for forming meaningful bonds.
Asking the Right Questions - Points to the value of inquiry in deepening friendships.
Embracing Vulnerability - Appeals to those who understand that openness is crucial to close relationships.
Deeper, Meaningful Friendships - Directly speaks to the kind of relationships the audience is seeking.
Relatable Struggles - Ensures listeners feel understood and connects to shared human experiences.]]>
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                    <![CDATA["Connecting Across Differences: The Art of Making New Friends"]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2024 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;">"In this episode of 'Friends Unfiltered,' Fawn and Matt delve into the art of making friends with people who are vastly different from oneself. From humorous anecdotes about awkward outings to deeper insights into human curiosity and connection, they explore how stepping outside comfort zones can lead to meaningful friendships. Join them as they discuss the psychology behind curiosity, vulnerability, and positive interactions in forging bonds with those who may hold opposing views."</span></p>
<p>Friendship, Curiosity, Comfort zone, Opposite personalities, Human connection, Psychology of relationships, Step outside comfort</p>
<p>#MakingFriends, #OppositesAttract, #NewFriendships, #StepOutOfComfortZone, #SocialConnections, #PodcastEpisode, #FriendshipGoals</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA["In this episode of 'Friends Unfiltered,' Fawn and Matt delve into the art of making friends with people who are vastly different from oneself. From humorous anecdotes about awkward outings to deeper insights into human curiosity and connection, they explore how stepping outside comfort zones can lead to meaningful friendships. Join them as they discuss the psychology behind curiosity, vulnerability, and positive interactions in forging bonds with those who may hold opposing views."
Friendship, Curiosity, Comfort zone, Opposite personalities, Human connection, Psychology of relationships, Step outside comfort
#MakingFriends, #OppositesAttract, #NewFriendships, #StepOutOfComfortZone, #SocialConnections, #PodcastEpisode, #FriendshipGoals]]>
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<p>Friendship, Curiosity, Comfort zone, Opposite personalities, Human connection, Psychology of relationships, Step outside comfort</p>
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                    <![CDATA["In this episode of 'Friends Unfiltered,' Fawn and Matt delve into the art of making friends with people who are vastly different from oneself. From humorous anecdotes about awkward outings to deeper insights into human curiosity and connection, they explore how stepping outside comfort zones can lead to meaningful friendships. Join them as they discuss the psychology behind curiosity, vulnerability, and positive interactions in forging bonds with those who may hold opposing views."
Friendship, Curiosity, Comfort zone, Opposite personalities, Human connection, Psychology of relationships, Step outside comfort
#MakingFriends, #OppositesAttract, #NewFriendships, #StepOutOfComfortZone, #SocialConnections, #PodcastEpisode, #FriendshipGoals]]>
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                    <![CDATA["Breaking the Filter Bubble: Tech Tips for a Diverse Perspective"]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jul 2024 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this week's episode of Tech Unfiltered, Fawn and Matt dive into the realm of unfiltered technology, exploring how to break free from algorithm-driven content that limits our perspectives. They discuss practical steps to diversify your online experience, from using alternative browsers like Firefox to seeking news from different global perspectives. Learn why it's crucial to see beyond the usual digital feed to become more multidimensional, aware, and connected in our tech habits. Join them for tips on how to expand your worldview and engage with content outside your comfort zone.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>#TechUnfiltered, #DigitalAwareness, #InternetPrivacy, #AlgorithmInsights, #DiversePerspective, #OnlineExperience, #TechTips</p>
<h3 class="western"><br /><br /></h3>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this week's episode of Tech Unfiltered, Fawn and Matt dive into the realm of unfiltered technology, exploring how to break free from algorithm-driven content that limits our perspectives. They discuss practical steps to diversify your online experience, from using alternative browsers like Firefox to seeking news from different global perspectives. Learn why it's crucial to see beyond the usual digital feed to become more multidimensional, aware, and connected in our tech habits. Join them for tips on how to expand your worldview and engage with content outside your comfort zone.
 
#TechUnfiltered, #DigitalAwareness, #InternetPrivacy, #AlgorithmInsights, #DiversePerspective, #OnlineExperience, #TechTips
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                    <![CDATA[<p>In this week's episode of Tech Unfiltered, Fawn and Matt dive into the realm of unfiltered technology, exploring how to break free from algorithm-driven content that limits our perspectives. They discuss practical steps to diversify your online experience, from using alternative browsers like Firefox to seeking news from different global perspectives. Learn why it's crucial to see beyond the usual digital feed to become more multidimensional, aware, and connected in our tech habits. Join them for tips on how to expand your worldview and engage with content outside your comfort zone.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>#TechUnfiltered, #DigitalAwareness, #InternetPrivacy, #AlgorithmInsights, #DiversePerspective, #OnlineExperience, #TechTips</p>
<h3 class="western"><br /><br /></h3>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this week's episode of Tech Unfiltered, Fawn and Matt dive into the realm of unfiltered technology, exploring how to break free from algorithm-driven content that limits our perspectives. They discuss practical steps to diversify your online experience, from using alternative browsers like Firefox to seeking news from different global perspectives. Learn why it's crucial to see beyond the usual digital feed to become more multidimensional, aware, and connected in our tech habits. Join them for tips on how to expand your worldview and engage with content outside your comfort zone.
 
#TechUnfiltered, #DigitalAwareness, #InternetPrivacy, #AlgorithmInsights, #DiversePerspective, #OnlineExperience, #TechTips
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                    <![CDATA[Lalochezia and the Filtered World]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 22 Jul 2024 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                    https://permalink.castos.com/podcast/11391/episode/1789760</guid>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;">In this week's episode, Fawn and Matt explore the importance of having friends with different beliefs and lifestyles. They delve into personal stories, including Fawn’s memorable encounter with a childhood classmate and the lessons learned from it. The episode takes a humorous turn as Fawn discusses her unique approach to relieving stress, and the couple reflect on communication challenges in relationships. Tune in for a lively discussion on the value of diverse friendships and finding common ground amidst differences. </span></p>
<p> </p>
<p>Diverse Friendships, Relationship Communication, Stress Relief Techniques, Embracing Differences, Unique Stress Relief, Finding Common Ground, Opposites Attract</p>
<p> </p>
<p>#DiverseFriendships, #RelationshipGoals, #StressRelief, #CommunicationMatters, #EmbraceDifferences, #UniqueApproach</p>
<p> </p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this week's episode, Fawn and Matt explore the importance of having friends with different beliefs and lifestyles. They delve into personal stories, including Fawn’s memorable encounter with a childhood classmate and the lessons learned from it. The episode takes a humorous turn as Fawn discusses her unique approach to relieving stress, and the couple reflect on communication challenges in relationships. Tune in for a lively discussion on the value of diverse friendships and finding common ground amidst differences. 
 
Diverse Friendships, Relationship Communication, Stress Relief Techniques, Embracing Differences, Unique Stress Relief, Finding Common Ground, Opposites Attract
 
#DiverseFriendships, #RelationshipGoals, #StressRelief, #CommunicationMatters, #EmbraceDifferences, #UniqueApproach
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                    <![CDATA[Lalochezia and the Filtered World]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;">In this week's episode, Fawn and Matt explore the importance of having friends with different beliefs and lifestyles. They delve into personal stories, including Fawn’s memorable encounter with a childhood classmate and the lessons learned from it. The episode takes a humorous turn as Fawn discusses her unique approach to relieving stress, and the couple reflect on communication challenges in relationships. Tune in for a lively discussion on the value of diverse friendships and finding common ground amidst differences. </span></p>
<p> </p>
<p>Diverse Friendships, Relationship Communication, Stress Relief Techniques, Embracing Differences, Unique Stress Relief, Finding Common Ground, Opposites Attract</p>
<p> </p>
<p>#DiverseFriendships, #RelationshipGoals, #StressRelief, #CommunicationMatters, #EmbraceDifferences, #UniqueApproach</p>
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                    <![CDATA[In this week's episode, Fawn and Matt explore the importance of having friends with different beliefs and lifestyles. They delve into personal stories, including Fawn’s memorable encounter with a childhood classmate and the lessons learned from it. The episode takes a humorous turn as Fawn discusses her unique approach to relieving stress, and the couple reflect on communication challenges in relationships. Tune in for a lively discussion on the value of diverse friendships and finding common ground amidst differences. 
 
Diverse Friendships, Relationship Communication, Stress Relief Techniques, Embracing Differences, Unique Stress Relief, Finding Common Ground, Opposites Attract
 
#DiverseFriendships, #RelationshipGoals, #StressRelief, #CommunicationMatters, #EmbraceDifferences, #UniqueApproach
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:35:06</itunes:duration>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Mental Fitness for a New World]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2024 04:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;">Join Matt and Fawn as they delve into the concept of mental fitness through the lens of negative visualization. Exploring ancient Stoic practices, they discuss how contemplating potential setbacks can build resilience and gratitude. From the origins of Stoicism to practical applications in modern life, they explore how acknowledging adversity can enhance psychological strength. Tune in for insights on balancing positive thinking with preparing for challenges in this thought-provoking episode on mental resilience and gratitude. </span></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">In this episode, Matt and Fawn dive deep into the concept of "negative visualization," an ancient Stoic practice. Matt shares his recent Google Fu journey, leading him to explore how contemplating worst-case scenarios can actually foster resilience and gratitude. The discussion uncovers the surprising benefits of occasionally focusing on negative outcomes and how it contrasts with the modern emphasis on positive visualization. Tune in to discover how ancient philosophies can help us manage our minds in today's fast-paced world and enhance our psychological fitness. </span></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">#Friendship, #Resilience, #Stoicism, #Mindfulness, #Mental Fitness, #Gratitude, #Connection </span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Join Matt and Fawn as they delve into the concept of mental fitness through the lens of negative visualization. Exploring ancient Stoic practices, they discuss how contemplating potential setbacks can build resilience and gratitude. From the origins of Stoicism to practical applications in modern life, they explore how acknowledging adversity can enhance psychological strength. Tune in for insights on balancing positive thinking with preparing for challenges in this thought-provoking episode on mental resilience and gratitude. 

In this episode, Matt and Fawn dive deep into the concept of "negative visualization," an ancient Stoic practice. Matt shares his recent Google Fu journey, leading him to explore how contemplating worst-case scenarios can actually foster resilience and gratitude. The discussion uncovers the surprising benefits of occasionally focusing on negative outcomes and how it contrasts with the modern emphasis on positive visualization. Tune in to discover how ancient philosophies can help us manage our minds in today's fast-paced world and enhance our psychological fitness. 

#Friendship, #Resilience, #Stoicism, #Mindfulness, #Mental Fitness, #Gratitude, #Connection ]]>
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                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[Mental Fitness for a New World]]>
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                                                <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;">Join Matt and Fawn as they delve into the concept of mental fitness through the lens of negative visualization. Exploring ancient Stoic practices, they discuss how contemplating potential setbacks can build resilience and gratitude. From the origins of Stoicism to practical applications in modern life, they explore how acknowledging adversity can enhance psychological strength. Tune in for insights on balancing positive thinking with preparing for challenges in this thought-provoking episode on mental resilience and gratitude. </span></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">In this episode, Matt and Fawn dive deep into the concept of "negative visualization," an ancient Stoic practice. Matt shares his recent Google Fu journey, leading him to explore how contemplating worst-case scenarios can actually foster resilience and gratitude. The discussion uncovers the surprising benefits of occasionally focusing on negative outcomes and how it contrasts with the modern emphasis on positive visualization. Tune in to discover how ancient philosophies can help us manage our minds in today's fast-paced world and enhance our psychological fitness. </span></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">#Friendship, #Resilience, #Stoicism, #Mindfulness, #Mental Fitness, #Gratitude, #Connection </span></p>]]>
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In this episode, Matt and Fawn dive deep into the concept of "negative visualization," an ancient Stoic practice. Matt shares his recent Google Fu journey, leading him to explore how contemplating worst-case scenarios can actually foster resilience and gratitude. The discussion uncovers the surprising benefits of occasionally focusing on negative outcomes and how it contrasts with the modern emphasis on positive visualization. Tune in to discover how ancient philosophies can help us manage our minds in today's fast-paced world and enhance our psychological fitness. 

#Friendship, #Resilience, #Stoicism, #Mindfulness, #Mental Fitness, #Gratitude, #Connection ]]>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:28:45</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The Art of the Party - "Making Memories: Planning Parties That Honor Friendship"]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 08 Jul 2024 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;">In this week's episode, "The Party," Fawn and Matt discuss an eventful weekend involving their next-door neighbors' lively party. While Matt was asleep, Fawn found herself alone and feeling both inspired and lonely by the festivities next door. She braved the night, sitting outside on their deck, and reflected on her feelings about parties and social gatherings. This led to an introspective conversation between the two about what makes a party enjoyable and the art of hosting. Fawn shared her thoughts on the key elements of a successful party, and they reminisced about memorable gatherings from their past. The episode dives into the nuances of social connection, hospitality, and the significance of creating a warm and welcoming environment for friends and family. </span></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">#PartyPlanning, #HostingTips, #SocialGatherings, #HospitalityIdeas, #MemorableEvents, #NeighborStories, #IntrospectiveConversations </span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this week's episode, "The Party," Fawn and Matt discuss an eventful weekend involving their next-door neighbors' lively party. While Matt was asleep, Fawn found herself alone and feeling both inspired and lonely by the festivities next door. She braved the night, sitting outside on their deck, and reflected on her feelings about parties and social gatherings. This led to an introspective conversation between the two about what makes a party enjoyable and the art of hosting. Fawn shared her thoughts on the key elements of a successful party, and they reminisced about memorable gatherings from their past. The episode dives into the nuances of social connection, hospitality, and the significance of creating a warm and welcoming environment for friends and family. 

#PartyPlanning, #HostingTips, #SocialGatherings, #HospitalityIdeas, #MemorableEvents, #NeighborStories, #IntrospectiveConversations ]]>
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                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[The Art of the Party - "Making Memories: Planning Parties That Honor Friendship"]]>
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                                                <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;">In this week's episode, "The Party," Fawn and Matt discuss an eventful weekend involving their next-door neighbors' lively party. While Matt was asleep, Fawn found herself alone and feeling both inspired and lonely by the festivities next door. She braved the night, sitting outside on their deck, and reflected on her feelings about parties and social gatherings. This led to an introspective conversation between the two about what makes a party enjoyable and the art of hosting. Fawn shared her thoughts on the key elements of a successful party, and they reminisced about memorable gatherings from their past. The episode dives into the nuances of social connection, hospitality, and the significance of creating a warm and welcoming environment for friends and family. </span></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">#PartyPlanning, #HostingTips, #SocialGatherings, #HospitalityIdeas, #MemorableEvents, #NeighborStories, #IntrospectiveConversations </span></p>]]>
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                                <itunes:summary>
                    <![CDATA[In this week's episode, "The Party," Fawn and Matt discuss an eventful weekend involving their next-door neighbors' lively party. While Matt was asleep, Fawn found herself alone and feeling both inspired and lonely by the festivities next door. She braved the night, sitting outside on their deck, and reflected on her feelings about parties and social gatherings. This led to an introspective conversation between the two about what makes a party enjoyable and the art of hosting. Fawn shared her thoughts on the key elements of a successful party, and they reminisced about memorable gatherings from their past. The episode dives into the nuances of social connection, hospitality, and the significance of creating a warm and welcoming environment for friends and family. 

#PartyPlanning, #HostingTips, #SocialGatherings, #HospitalityIdeas, #MemorableEvents, #NeighborStories, #IntrospectiveConversations ]]>
                </itunes:summary>
                                    <itunes:image href="https://episodes.castos.com/5f36f6bebac289-67402395/images/1781454/c1a-8j1v-6zdwzo04hqxr-jye77t.jpg"></itunes:image>
                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:32:45</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <item>
                <title>
                    <![CDATA[The World's Fair]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jul 2024 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
                <guid isPermaLink="true">
                    https://permalink.castos.com/podcast/11391/episode/1776539</guid>
                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/the-worlds-fair</link>
                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;">This week's episode dives deep into the concept of hope and community through the lens of historical and modern perspectives on World's Fairs. Join Matt and Fawn as they explore the legacy of World's Fairs, from their origins showcasing futuristic visions to today's societal challenges and the role of media and technology in shaping our perceptions. Reflecting on the power of optimism amidst contemporary fears, they discuss how understanding our past can inspire a brighter future, fostering connections and resilience in an uncertain world. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;">#WorldsFair, </span>#FutureOfHope, #ScienceFiction, #PositivityMatters, #AIAndCreativity, #CommunityBuilding, #OvercomingFear</p>]]>
                                    </description>
                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[This week's episode dives deep into the concept of hope and community through the lens of historical and modern perspectives on World's Fairs. Join Matt and Fawn as they explore the legacy of World's Fairs, from their origins showcasing futuristic visions to today's societal challenges and the role of media and technology in shaping our perceptions. Reflecting on the power of optimism amidst contemporary fears, they discuss how understanding our past can inspire a brighter future, fostering connections and resilience in an uncertain world. 
#WorldsFair, #FutureOfHope, #ScienceFiction, #PositivityMatters, #AIAndCreativity, #CommunityBuilding, #OvercomingFear]]>
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                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[The World's Fair]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;">This week's episode dives deep into the concept of hope and community through the lens of historical and modern perspectives on World's Fairs. Join Matt and Fawn as they explore the legacy of World's Fairs, from their origins showcasing futuristic visions to today's societal challenges and the role of media and technology in shaping our perceptions. Reflecting on the power of optimism amidst contemporary fears, they discuss how understanding our past can inspire a brighter future, fostering connections and resilience in an uncertain world. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;">#WorldsFair, </span>#FutureOfHope, #ScienceFiction, #PositivityMatters, #AIAndCreativity, #CommunityBuilding, #OvercomingFear</p>]]>
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                                <itunes:summary>
                    <![CDATA[This week's episode dives deep into the concept of hope and community through the lens of historical and modern perspectives on World's Fairs. Join Matt and Fawn as they explore the legacy of World's Fairs, from their origins showcasing futuristic visions to today's societal challenges and the role of media and technology in shaping our perceptions. Reflecting on the power of optimism amidst contemporary fears, they discuss how understanding our past can inspire a brighter future, fostering connections and resilience in an uncertain world. 
#WorldsFair, #FutureOfHope, #ScienceFiction, #PositivityMatters, #AIAndCreativity, #CommunityBuilding, #OvercomingFear]]>
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                                    <itunes:image href="https://episodes.castos.com/5f36f6bebac289-67402395/images/1776539/c1a-8j1v-92449g3mim64-yu5ku8.jpg"></itunes:image>
                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:30:48</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                <title>
                    <![CDATA[How to Voice a Community with Rachael Naylor]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2024 04:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
                <guid isPermaLink="true">
                    https://permalink.castos.com/podcast/11391/episode/1770598</guid>
                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/how-to-voice-a-community-with-rachael-naylor</link>
                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:x-large;">Fawn and Matt are joined by special guest Rachael Naylor, founder of the VoiceOver Network, as they explore how to build a community from the ground up using your voice and the transformative power of vulnerability and generosity. They discuss how openness fosters deep connections and creates supportive communities, drawing from personal experiences within the VoiceOver Network. Rachael shares insights on voice acting and the impact of authenticity in communication, while Fawn reflects on her journey of growth and success. The conversation underscores the importance of embracing authenticity, practicing generosity, and cultivating positive energy to navigate challenges and foster meaningful relationships. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:large;">Vulnerability, Generosity, Voiceover, Community, Authenticity, Connection, Growth</span></p>
<p>#VulnerabilityMatters, #VoiceOverCommunity, #GenerosityInAction, #AuthenticConnections, #VoiceActing, #CommunitySupport, #PersonalGrowth</p>
<p><span style="font-size:x-large;">Rachael Naylor</span></p>
<h2 class="western">https://www.instagram.com/rachael.naylor/</h2>
<p>https://www.instagram.com/the_voiceover_network/</p>
<p><a href="https://www.thevoiceovernetwork.org/"><span style="font-size:x-large;">https://www.thevoiceovernetwork.org</span></a></p>
<p><span style="font-size:x-large;">discount code: VONFRIENDS</span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn and Matt are joined by special guest Rachael Naylor, founder of the VoiceOver Network, as they explore how to build a community from the ground up using your voice and the transformative power of vulnerability and generosity. They discuss how openness fosters deep connections and creates supportive communities, drawing from personal experiences within the VoiceOver Network. Rachael shares insights on voice acting and the impact of authenticity in communication, while Fawn reflects on her journey of growth and success. The conversation underscores the importance of embracing authenticity, practicing generosity, and cultivating positive energy to navigate challenges and foster meaningful relationships. 
Vulnerability, Generosity, Voiceover, Community, Authenticity, Connection, Growth
#VulnerabilityMatters, #VoiceOverCommunity, #GenerosityInAction, #AuthenticConnections, #VoiceActing, #CommunitySupport, #PersonalGrowth
Rachael Naylor
https://www.instagram.com/rachael.naylor/
https://www.instagram.com/the_voiceover_network/
https://www.thevoiceovernetwork.org
discount code: VONFRIENDS]]>
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                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[How to Voice a Community with Rachael Naylor]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:x-large;">Fawn and Matt are joined by special guest Rachael Naylor, founder of the VoiceOver Network, as they explore how to build a community from the ground up using your voice and the transformative power of vulnerability and generosity. They discuss how openness fosters deep connections and creates supportive communities, drawing from personal experiences within the VoiceOver Network. Rachael shares insights on voice acting and the impact of authenticity in communication, while Fawn reflects on her journey of growth and success. The conversation underscores the importance of embracing authenticity, practicing generosity, and cultivating positive energy to navigate challenges and foster meaningful relationships. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:large;">Vulnerability, Generosity, Voiceover, Community, Authenticity, Connection, Growth</span></p>
<p>#VulnerabilityMatters, #VoiceOverCommunity, #GenerosityInAction, #AuthenticConnections, #VoiceActing, #CommunitySupport, #PersonalGrowth</p>
<p><span style="font-size:x-large;">Rachael Naylor</span></p>
<h2 class="western">https://www.instagram.com/rachael.naylor/</h2>
<p>https://www.instagram.com/the_voiceover_network/</p>
<p><a href="https://www.thevoiceovernetwork.org/"><span style="font-size:x-large;">https://www.thevoiceovernetwork.org</span></a></p>
<p><span style="font-size:x-large;">discount code: VONFRIENDS</span></p>]]>
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                                <itunes:summary>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn and Matt are joined by special guest Rachael Naylor, founder of the VoiceOver Network, as they explore how to build a community from the ground up using your voice and the transformative power of vulnerability and generosity. They discuss how openness fosters deep connections and creates supportive communities, drawing from personal experiences within the VoiceOver Network. Rachael shares insights on voice acting and the impact of authenticity in communication, while Fawn reflects on her journey of growth and success. The conversation underscores the importance of embracing authenticity, practicing generosity, and cultivating positive energy to navigate challenges and foster meaningful relationships. 
Vulnerability, Generosity, Voiceover, Community, Authenticity, Connection, Growth
#VulnerabilityMatters, #VoiceOverCommunity, #GenerosityInAction, #AuthenticConnections, #VoiceActing, #CommunitySupport, #PersonalGrowth
Rachael Naylor
https://www.instagram.com/rachael.naylor/
https://www.instagram.com/the_voiceover_network/
https://www.thevoiceovernetwork.org
discount code: VONFRIENDS]]>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>01:07:35</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA["Travel, Friendship, and Rediscovering Passions: Through Mark Twain's Lens"]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2024 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/travel-friendship-and-rediscovering-passions-through-mark-twains-lens</link>
                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this heartwarming episode, Fawn and Matt kick off with a thought-provoking quote from Mark Twain, sparking a lively discussion on travel, self-awareness, and the complexities of friendship. They share personal anecdotes about visiting Mark Twain's house in Connecticut and delve into how travel shapes our perceptions and exposes us to a multitude of experiences. Fawn reflects on a recent encounter with a generous photographer that reignited her passion for photography and highlighted the importance of stepping outside comfort zones. The couple also discuss the emotional ups and downs of making new friends and the vulnerability involved. Their candid conversation is peppered with humor and insights, making for a relatable and inspiring episode.</p>
<p>#MarkTwain #TravelDiaries #FriendshipJourney #PersonalGrowth #PhotographyPassion #SelfAwareness #PodcastLife</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this heartwarming episode, Fawn and Matt kick off with a thought-provoking quote from Mark Twain, sparking a lively discussion on travel, self-awareness, and the complexities of friendship. They share personal anecdotes about visiting Mark Twain's house in Connecticut and delve into how travel shapes our perceptions and exposes us to a multitude of experiences. Fawn reflects on a recent encounter with a generous photographer that reignited her passion for photography and highlighted the importance of stepping outside comfort zones. The couple also discuss the emotional ups and downs of making new friends and the vulnerability involved. Their candid conversation is peppered with humor and insights, making for a relatable and inspiring episode.
#MarkTwain #TravelDiaries #FriendshipJourney #PersonalGrowth #PhotographyPassion #SelfAwareness #PodcastLife]]>
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                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA["Travel, Friendship, and Rediscovering Passions: Through Mark Twain's Lens"]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>In this heartwarming episode, Fawn and Matt kick off with a thought-provoking quote from Mark Twain, sparking a lively discussion on travel, self-awareness, and the complexities of friendship. They share personal anecdotes about visiting Mark Twain's house in Connecticut and delve into how travel shapes our perceptions and exposes us to a multitude of experiences. Fawn reflects on a recent encounter with a generous photographer that reignited her passion for photography and highlighted the importance of stepping outside comfort zones. The couple also discuss the emotional ups and downs of making new friends and the vulnerability involved. Their candid conversation is peppered with humor and insights, making for a relatable and inspiring episode.</p>
<p>#MarkTwain #TravelDiaries #FriendshipJourney #PersonalGrowth #PhotographyPassion #SelfAwareness #PodcastLife</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this heartwarming episode, Fawn and Matt kick off with a thought-provoking quote from Mark Twain, sparking a lively discussion on travel, self-awareness, and the complexities of friendship. They share personal anecdotes about visiting Mark Twain's house in Connecticut and delve into how travel shapes our perceptions and exposes us to a multitude of experiences. Fawn reflects on a recent encounter with a generous photographer that reignited her passion for photography and highlighted the importance of stepping outside comfort zones. The couple also discuss the emotional ups and downs of making new friends and the vulnerability involved. Their candid conversation is peppered with humor and insights, making for a relatable and inspiring episode.
#MarkTwain #TravelDiaries #FriendshipJourney #PersonalGrowth #PhotographyPassion #SelfAwareness #PodcastLife]]>
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                    <![CDATA["Friendship and the Wisdom of Muhammad Ali: Navigating Life's Pebbles"]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 10 Jun 2024 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;">We delve into the wisdom of Muhammad Ali, exploring his quote, "It isn't the mountains ahead to climb that wear you out; it's the pebble in your shoe." We reflect on how this profound message applies to friendship and personal growth. Join us as we discuss the importance of addressing the small irritants in our relationships, the necessity of true companionship, and how tending to the 'pebbles' in our lives can lead to healthier, more fulfilling connections. Whether you're a fan of Muhammad Ali or seeking to nurture your friendships, this episode offers valuable insights and practical advice. </span></p>
<p>#Friendship, #MuhammadAli, #LifeWisdom, #PersonalGrowth, #ConflictResolution, #SelfCare, #EmotionalHealth, #Respect, #Communication, #Relationships, #PodcastEpisode, #Inspiration</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[We delve into the wisdom of Muhammad Ali, exploring his quote, "It isn't the mountains ahead to climb that wear you out; it's the pebble in your shoe." We reflect on how this profound message applies to friendship and personal growth. Join us as we discuss the importance of addressing the small irritants in our relationships, the necessity of true companionship, and how tending to the 'pebbles' in our lives can lead to healthier, more fulfilling connections. Whether you're a fan of Muhammad Ali or seeking to nurture your friendships, this episode offers valuable insights and practical advice. 
#Friendship, #MuhammadAli, #LifeWisdom, #PersonalGrowth, #ConflictResolution, #SelfCare, #EmotionalHealth, #Respect, #Communication, #Relationships, #PodcastEpisode, #Inspiration]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;">We delve into the wisdom of Muhammad Ali, exploring his quote, "It isn't the mountains ahead to climb that wear you out; it's the pebble in your shoe." We reflect on how this profound message applies to friendship and personal growth. Join us as we discuss the importance of addressing the small irritants in our relationships, the necessity of true companionship, and how tending to the 'pebbles' in our lives can lead to healthier, more fulfilling connections. Whether you're a fan of Muhammad Ali or seeking to nurture your friendships, this episode offers valuable insights and practical advice. </span></p>
<p>#Friendship, #MuhammadAli, #LifeWisdom, #PersonalGrowth, #ConflictResolution, #SelfCare, #EmotionalHealth, #Respect, #Communication, #Relationships, #PodcastEpisode, #Inspiration</p>]]>
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#Friendship, #MuhammadAli, #LifeWisdom, #PersonalGrowth, #ConflictResolution, #SelfCare, #EmotionalHealth, #Respect, #Communication, #Relationships, #PodcastEpisode, #Inspiration]]>
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                    <![CDATA[How to Heal After a Friendship Breakup Lessons in Emotional Detox and Self-Discovery]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 03 Jun 2024 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this week's episode, Fawn and Matt delve into the complexities of friendship, particularly the challenging experience of friend breakups, n<span style="font-size:small;">avigating breakups, and embracing authenticity</span>. They discuss the emotional aftermath, comparing it to a dog's instinctive shake to detox from trauma. Fawn shares her personal journey of questioning and self-blame, eventually realizing the importance of addressing issues directly. The conversation highlights the dynamics of relationships, including the subtle signs of discomfort and the need for honest communication. The episode emphasizes the value of authenticity in friendships and the courage to let go of toxic connections while staying true to oneself.</p>
<p><strong>#FriendshipDynamics, #EffectiveCommunication, #SettingBoundaries, #PersonalGrowth, #NavigatingChange, #SocialSkills, #ConflictResolution</strong><br /><strong><span style="font-size:small;">#FriendshipDynamics, </span></strong><strong>#CommunicationSkills, #NavigatingChange, #HealthyBoundaries</strong></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this week's episode, Fawn and Matt delve into the complexities of friendship, particularly the challenging experience of friend breakups, navigating breakups, and embracing authenticity. They discuss the emotional aftermath, comparing it to a dog's instinctive shake to detox from trauma. Fawn shares her personal journey of questioning and self-blame, eventually realizing the importance of addressing issues directly. The conversation highlights the dynamics of relationships, including the subtle signs of discomfort and the need for honest communication. The episode emphasizes the value of authenticity in friendships and the courage to let go of toxic connections while staying true to oneself.
#FriendshipDynamics, #EffectiveCommunication, #SettingBoundaries, #PersonalGrowth, #NavigatingChange, #SocialSkills, #ConflictResolution#FriendshipDynamics, #CommunicationSkills, #NavigatingChange, #HealthyBoundaries]]>
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<p><strong>#FriendshipDynamics, #EffectiveCommunication, #SettingBoundaries, #PersonalGrowth, #NavigatingChange, #SocialSkills, #ConflictResolution</strong><br /><strong><span style="font-size:small;">#FriendshipDynamics, </span></strong><strong>#CommunicationSkills, #NavigatingChange, #HealthyBoundaries</strong></p>]]>
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#FriendshipDynamics, #EffectiveCommunication, #SettingBoundaries, #PersonalGrowth, #NavigatingChange, #SocialSkills, #ConflictResolution#FriendshipDynamics, #CommunicationSkills, #NavigatingChange, #HealthyBoundaries]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The Authentic Friend]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2024 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Fawn and Matt's conversation spans various topics, all tied to the central theme of authenticity and perception. They discuss how life patterns repeat until addressed, the changing nature of sensory experiences, and the subjective nature of perception. They emphasize the importance of being genuine in friendships and relationships, drawing on personal experiences and philosophical insights. Ultimately, they advocate for openness and authenticity as keys to meaningful connections and personal growth.</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Authenticity, </strong></span><strong>Friendship, Personal Growth, Perception, Sensory Experiences, Life Patterns, Vulnerability</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>#Authenticity, </strong></span><strong>#TrueFriendship, #PersonalGrowth, #SelfAwareness, #MindfulLiving, #EmbraceChange, #GenuineConnections</strong></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn and Matt's conversation spans various topics, all tied to the central theme of authenticity and perception. They discuss how life patterns repeat until addressed, the changing nature of sensory experiences, and the subjective nature of perception. They emphasize the importance of being genuine in friendships and relationships, drawing on personal experiences and philosophical insights. Ultimately, they advocate for openness and authenticity as keys to meaningful connections and personal growth.
Authenticity, Friendship, Personal Growth, Perception, Sensory Experiences, Life Patterns, Vulnerability
 
#Authenticity, #TrueFriendship, #PersonalGrowth, #SelfAwareness, #MindfulLiving, #EmbraceChange, #GenuineConnections]]>
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<p><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Authenticity, </strong></span><strong>Friendship, Personal Growth, Perception, Sensory Experiences, Life Patterns, Vulnerability</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>#Authenticity, </strong></span><strong>#TrueFriendship, #PersonalGrowth, #SelfAwareness, #MindfulLiving, #EmbraceChange, #GenuineConnections</strong></p>]]>
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Authenticity, Friendship, Personal Growth, Perception, Sensory Experiences, Life Patterns, Vulnerability
 
#Authenticity, #TrueFriendship, #PersonalGrowth, #SelfAwareness, #MindfulLiving, #EmbraceChange, #GenuineConnections]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The Guest House]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2024 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#0d0d0d;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;">In this episode of "Our Friendly World," Fawn and Matt delve into Rumi’s timeless poem, “The Guest House,” exploring how it relates to the ebb and flow of human emotions and experiences. Join us as we discuss the importance of welcoming every emotion and experience, even the challenging ones, and how they shape our journey in friendship and life. Fawn shares personal reflections on recent struggles, and the couple reflects on the lessons learned from their wedding chaos, emphasizing the value of steady, reliable friendships. Tune in for an insightful conversation on navigating negativity, finding gratitude in hardship, and honoring every experience as a guide towards personal growth.</span></span></span> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">We cover Rumi The Guest House, embracing emotions, dealing with negativity, friendship podcast, personal growth, gratitude in hardship, wedding chaos, Our Friendly World podcast, emotional resilience, steady friendships, and life challenges.</span></p>
<p>#PodcastEpisode, #NewEpisode, #Friendship, #Rumi, #TheGuestHouse, #HumanExperience, #LifeLessons, #EmotionalWellness, #PersonalGrowth, #MentalHealth, #Mindfulness, #PositiveThinking, #LifeJourney, #SelfCare, #InspirationalQuotes, </p>
<p>#PodcastRecommendations, #PodcastCommunity, #PodcastLovers, #PodcastLife, #PodcastAddict, #PodcastsOfInstagram, #Motivation, #Inspiration, #Healing, #WellBeing, #LifeAdvice, #InnerPeace, #SelfImprovement, #EmotionalHealth</p>
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                    <![CDATA[In this episode of "Our Friendly World," Fawn and Matt delve into Rumi’s timeless poem, “The Guest House,” exploring how it relates to the ebb and flow of human emotions and experiences. Join us as we discuss the importance of welcoming every emotion and experience, even the challenging ones, and how they shape our journey in friendship and life. Fawn shares personal reflections on recent struggles, and the couple reflects on the lessons learned from their wedding chaos, emphasizing the value of steady, reliable friendships. Tune in for an insightful conversation on navigating negativity, finding gratitude in hardship, and honoring every experience as a guide towards personal growth. 
We cover Rumi The Guest House, embracing emotions, dealing with negativity, friendship podcast, personal growth, gratitude in hardship, wedding chaos, Our Friendly World podcast, emotional resilience, steady friendships, and life challenges.
#PodcastEpisode, #NewEpisode, #Friendship, #Rumi, #TheGuestHouse, #HumanExperience, #LifeLessons, #EmotionalWellness, #PersonalGrowth, #MentalHealth, #Mindfulness, #PositiveThinking, #LifeJourney, #SelfCare, #InspirationalQuotes, 
#PodcastRecommendations, #PodcastCommunity, #PodcastLovers, #PodcastLife, #PodcastAddict, #PodcastsOfInstagram, #Motivation, #Inspiration, #Healing, #WellBeing, #LifeAdvice, #InnerPeace, #SelfImprovement, #EmotionalHealth
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                    <![CDATA[The Guest House]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#0d0d0d;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;">In this episode of "Our Friendly World," Fawn and Matt delve into Rumi’s timeless poem, “The Guest House,” exploring how it relates to the ebb and flow of human emotions and experiences. Join us as we discuss the importance of welcoming every emotion and experience, even the challenging ones, and how they shape our journey in friendship and life. Fawn shares personal reflections on recent struggles, and the couple reflects on the lessons learned from their wedding chaos, emphasizing the value of steady, reliable friendships. Tune in for an insightful conversation on navigating negativity, finding gratitude in hardship, and honoring every experience as a guide towards personal growth.</span></span></span> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">We cover Rumi The Guest House, embracing emotions, dealing with negativity, friendship podcast, personal growth, gratitude in hardship, wedding chaos, Our Friendly World podcast, emotional resilience, steady friendships, and life challenges.</span></p>
<p>#PodcastEpisode, #NewEpisode, #Friendship, #Rumi, #TheGuestHouse, #HumanExperience, #LifeLessons, #EmotionalWellness, #PersonalGrowth, #MentalHealth, #Mindfulness, #PositiveThinking, #LifeJourney, #SelfCare, #InspirationalQuotes, </p>
<p>#PodcastRecommendations, #PodcastCommunity, #PodcastLovers, #PodcastLife, #PodcastAddict, #PodcastsOfInstagram, #Motivation, #Inspiration, #Healing, #WellBeing, #LifeAdvice, #InnerPeace, #SelfImprovement, #EmotionalHealth</p>
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We cover Rumi The Guest House, embracing emotions, dealing with negativity, friendship podcast, personal growth, gratitude in hardship, wedding chaos, Our Friendly World podcast, emotional resilience, steady friendships, and life challenges.
#PodcastEpisode, #NewEpisode, #Friendship, #Rumi, #TheGuestHouse, #HumanExperience, #LifeLessons, #EmotionalWellness, #PersonalGrowth, #MentalHealth, #Mindfulness, #PositiveThinking, #LifeJourney, #SelfCare, #InspirationalQuotes, 
#PodcastRecommendations, #PodcastCommunity, #PodcastLovers, #PodcastLife, #PodcastAddict, #PodcastsOfInstagram, #Motivation, #Inspiration, #Healing, #WellBeing, #LifeAdvice, #InnerPeace, #SelfImprovement, #EmotionalHealth
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                    <![CDATA[Embracing Uncertainty -  Nurturing Friendship and Peace in Troubled Times]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2024 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="color:#0d0d0d;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;">In this week's conversation, we delve into the complexities of navigating turbulent times, both internally and externally. We use experiences with intuition and guidance, emphasizing the importance of patience, retreating to a safe place inside us, and maintaining faith in the face of uncertainty. We cover the challenges of maintaining friendships amidst conflicts and the value of surrounding ourselves with beauty to find solace. We're quite candid in our exchange and hope it offers a reminder how great it is to cultivate inner peace and resilience amidst life's storms. Our goal is to keep on weathering the waves of change with grace and compassion.</span></span></span></p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p><span style="color:#0d0d0d;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;">So, if you're looking for some inspiration on how to navigate turbulent times with grace and compassion, hopefully, we can help. Tune in for insights on finding peace amidst life's storms. And remember, folks, be well, take care of yourselves, and keep finding beauty in the world around you. We'll catch you in the next episode!</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#0d0d0d;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Please leave a kind review and or subscribe to our podcast to listen weekly to thoughts on the art of friendship.</span></span></span></p>
<p>#FriendshipChallenges, #InnerPeace, #Self-Care, #Patience, #Faith, #Guidance, #Resilience</p>
<p>#Friendship, #Companionship, #SocialConnections, #BuildingRelationships, #SupportiveNetworks, #Bonding, #Camaraderie</p>
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                    <![CDATA[In this week's conversation, we delve into the complexities of navigating turbulent times, both internally and externally. We use experiences with intuition and guidance, emphasizing the importance of patience, retreating to a safe place inside us, and maintaining faith in the face of uncertainty. We cover the challenges of maintaining friendships amidst conflicts and the value of surrounding ourselves with beauty to find solace. We're quite candid in our exchange and hope it offers a reminder how great it is to cultivate inner peace and resilience amidst life's storms. Our goal is to keep on weathering the waves of change with grace and compassion.
 
 
So, if you're looking for some inspiration on how to navigate turbulent times with grace and compassion, hopefully, we can help. Tune in for insights on finding peace amidst life's storms. And remember, folks, be well, take care of yourselves, and keep finding beauty in the world around you. We'll catch you in the next episode!
Please leave a kind review and or subscribe to our podcast to listen weekly to thoughts on the art of friendship.
#FriendshipChallenges, #InnerPeace, #Self-Care, #Patience, #Faith, #Guidance, #Resilience
#Friendship, #Companionship, #SocialConnections, #BuildingRelationships, #SupportiveNetworks, #Bonding, #Camaraderie



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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="color:#0d0d0d;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;">In this week's conversation, we delve into the complexities of navigating turbulent times, both internally and externally. We use experiences with intuition and guidance, emphasizing the importance of patience, retreating to a safe place inside us, and maintaining faith in the face of uncertainty. We cover the challenges of maintaining friendships amidst conflicts and the value of surrounding ourselves with beauty to find solace. We're quite candid in our exchange and hope it offers a reminder how great it is to cultivate inner peace and resilience amidst life's storms. Our goal is to keep on weathering the waves of change with grace and compassion.</span></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0d0d0d;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;">So, if you're looking for some inspiration on how to navigate turbulent times with grace and compassion, hopefully, we can help. Tune in for insights on finding peace amidst life's storms. And remember, folks, be well, take care of yourselves, and keep finding beauty in the world around you. We'll catch you in the next episode!</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#0d0d0d;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Please leave a kind review and or subscribe to our podcast to listen weekly to thoughts on the art of friendship.</span></span></span></p>
<p>#FriendshipChallenges, #InnerPeace, #Self-Care, #Patience, #Faith, #Guidance, #Resilience</p>
<p>#Friendship, #Companionship, #SocialConnections, #BuildingRelationships, #SupportiveNetworks, #Bonding, #Camaraderie</p>
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So, if you're looking for some inspiration on how to navigate turbulent times with grace and compassion, hopefully, we can help. Tune in for insights on finding peace amidst life's storms. And remember, folks, be well, take care of yourselves, and keep finding beauty in the world around you. We'll catch you in the next episode!
Please leave a kind review and or subscribe to our podcast to listen weekly to thoughts on the art of friendship.
#FriendshipChallenges, #InnerPeace, #Self-Care, #Patience, #Faith, #Guidance, #Resilience
#Friendship, #Companionship, #SocialConnections, #BuildingRelationships, #SupportiveNetworks, #Bonding, #Camaraderie



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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><span style="color:#0d0d0d;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;">In our latest episode, we're diving deep into the beautiful dance between friendship and business, all through the lens of Sacred Commerce. It starts with Fawn's chance meeting with Gabe Fletcher, the mastermind behind “The Talkin' Paint Podcast.” From there, we're on a journey celebrating the magic of real connections. We explore eye-opening moments about salesmanship, software development, integrity in what we create, our passions, and life philosophies. We discuss the importance of humility, teamwork, and the bravery to ask for help. And as we soak up the love from supportive communities like podcasting and voice acting, we'll raise a toast to integrity, empathy, and resilience—the backbone of lasting friendships and meaningful ventures. Join us for an uplifting ride as we embrace the endless possibilities of human connection, shaping a kinder, brighter world in both our personal and professional circles.</span></span></span> </strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Please sign up for our podcast to support or show:<br /><a href="">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>#SacredCommerce, </strong></span><strong>#Friendship, #BusinessSuccess, #AuthenticRelationships, #CommunityBuilding, #HumanConnection, #ImpactfulEndeavors</strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Info about our friend Gabe:</strong></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="color:#1d1d1f;"><span style="font-family:'SF Pro Text', 'SF Pro Icons', 'Apple WebExp Icons Custom', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Reach out at <a href="">https://talkinpaint.com/</a></strong></span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#1d1d1f;"><span style="font-family:'SF Pro Text', 'SF Pro Icons', 'Apple WebExp Icons Custom', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Serving the Auto Detailing &amp; Auto Film Industry - Gabe Fletcher, Founder of Detailing Growth Marketing Agency</strong></span></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="color:#1d1d1f;"><span style="font-family:'SF Pro Text', 'SF Pro Icons', 'Apple WebExp Icons Custom', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">https://detailinggrowth.com brings first-hand industry knowledge in business development, marketing strategies and growth concepts to the Auto Detailing, Ceramic Coating, Window Tinting &amp; Paint Protection Film Industry. </span></span></span><span style="color:#1d1d1f;"><span style="font-family:'SF Pro Text', 'SF Pro Icons', 'Apple WebExp Icons Custom', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">Join their free marketing group on Facebook for more information - <a href="">https://facebook.com/groups/detailinggrowth/</a></span></span></span></p>
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Please sign up for our podcast to support or show:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
#SacredCommerce, #Friendship, #BusinessSuccess, #AuthenticRelationships, #CommunityBuilding, #HumanConnection, #ImpactfulEndeavors
 
Info about our friend Gabe:
Reach out at https://talkinpaint.com/
Serving the Auto Detailing & Auto Film Industry - Gabe Fletcher, Founder of Detailing Growth Marketing Agency
https://detailinggrowth.com brings first-hand industry knowledge in business development, marketing strategies and growth concepts to the Auto Detailing, Ceramic Coating, Window Tinting & Paint Protection Film Industry. Join their free marketing group on Facebook for more information - https://facebook.com/groups/detailinggrowth/
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<p><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Please sign up for our podcast to support or show:<br /><a href="">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>#SacredCommerce, </strong></span><strong>#Friendship, #BusinessSuccess, #AuthenticRelationships, #CommunityBuilding, #HumanConnection, #ImpactfulEndeavors</strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Info about our friend Gabe:</strong></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="color:#1d1d1f;"><span style="font-family:'SF Pro Text', 'SF Pro Icons', 'Apple WebExp Icons Custom', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Reach out at <a href="">https://talkinpaint.com/</a></strong></span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#1d1d1f;"><span style="font-family:'SF Pro Text', 'SF Pro Icons', 'Apple WebExp Icons Custom', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Serving the Auto Detailing &amp; Auto Film Industry - Gabe Fletcher, Founder of Detailing Growth Marketing Agency</strong></span></span></span></p>
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Please sign up for our podcast to support or show:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
#SacredCommerce, #Friendship, #BusinessSuccess, #AuthenticRelationships, #CommunityBuilding, #HumanConnection, #ImpactfulEndeavors
 
Info about our friend Gabe:
Reach out at https://talkinpaint.com/
Serving the Auto Detailing & Auto Film Industry - Gabe Fletcher, Founder of Detailing Growth Marketing Agency
https://detailinggrowth.com brings first-hand industry knowledge in business development, marketing strategies and growth concepts to the Auto Detailing, Ceramic Coating, Window Tinting & Paint Protection Film Industry. Join their free marketing group on Facebook for more information - https://facebook.com/groups/detailinggrowth/
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#0d0d0d;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Please don't judge us too harshly for this episode. We hope this is not the first time you're listening to us,  BECAUSE we were exhausted during this conversation and quite frankly, we don't even know if we got our point across, or if we make any sense. Please forgive us. </span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#0d0d0d;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;">But anyway, this week on "Manifestation Dealer," Fawn and Matt explore the pitfalls of modern spirituality and the quest for happiness. They discuss the influence of self-help gurus, the difference between manifestation and visualization, and the importance of genuine connections. Join them as they navigate the complexities of positivity, resilience, and the pursuit of authentic joy in a world filled with mixed messages. Tune in for insightful discussions and practical advice on embracing a mindset of abundance and true friendship.</span></span></span> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">#</span>Friendship, #Authenticity, #Positivity, #Resilience, #Self-help, #Joyful, #GenuineConnections</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Please don't judge us too harshly for this episode. We hope this is not the first time you're listening to us,  BECAUSE we were exhausted during this conversation and quite frankly, we don't even know if we got our point across, or if we make any sense. Please forgive us. 
But anyway, this week on "Manifestation Dealer," Fawn and Matt explore the pitfalls of modern spirituality and the quest for happiness. They discuss the influence of self-help gurus, the difference between manifestation and visualization, and the importance of genuine connections. Join them as they navigate the complexities of positivity, resilience, and the pursuit of authentic joy in a world filled with mixed messages. Tune in for insightful discussions and practical advice on embracing a mindset of abundance and true friendship. 
#Friendship, #Authenticity, #Positivity, #Resilience, #Self-help, #Joyful, #GenuineConnections]]>
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<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#0d0d0d;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;">But anyway, this week on "Manifestation Dealer," Fawn and Matt explore the pitfalls of modern spirituality and the quest for happiness. They discuss the influence of self-help gurus, the difference between manifestation and visualization, and the importance of genuine connections. Join them as they navigate the complexities of positivity, resilience, and the pursuit of authentic joy in a world filled with mixed messages. Tune in for insightful discussions and practical advice on embracing a mindset of abundance and true friendship.</span></span></span> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">#</span>Friendship, #Authenticity, #Positivity, #Resilience, #Self-help, #Joyful, #GenuineConnections</p>]]>
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But anyway, this week on "Manifestation Dealer," Fawn and Matt explore the pitfalls of modern spirituality and the quest for happiness. They discuss the influence of self-help gurus, the difference between manifestation and visualization, and the importance of genuine connections. Join them as they navigate the complexities of positivity, resilience, and the pursuit of authentic joy in a world filled with mixed messages. Tune in for insightful discussions and practical advice on embracing a mindset of abundance and true friendship. 
#Friendship, #Authenticity, #Positivity, #Resilience, #Self-help, #Joyful, #GenuineConnections]]>
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<p>#Friendship, #Resilience, #Perseverance, #HumanRelationships, #Self-doubt, #Introspection, #Projection</p>]]>
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Discover how to navigate the complexities of friendship with resilience and perseverance. Join Fawn and Matt as they explore the challenges of human relationships, including moments of self-doubt and introspection. Learn valuable insights on maintaining perspective amidst life's ups and downs, and understand the concept of projection in interpersonal dynamics. Dive into candid conversations and reflections to enhance your understanding of friendship and self-esteem preservation.
#Friendship, #Resilience, #Perseverance, #HumanRelationships, #Self-doubt, #Introspection, #Projection]]>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="color:#0d0d0d;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;">Dive into a candid conversation about the challenges of modern friendship with Fawn and Matt on this week's episode of "Questioning Conversation." As they reflect on the ongoing loneliness epidemic and their own journey in addressing it, Fawn and Matt explore the intricacies of human connection amidst pain and change. Rejecting superficiality, they share personal anecdotes and insights into fostering genuine relationships based on empathy, vulnerability, and compassionate communication. Join them as they navigate through thought-provoking questions, from the impact of loneliness to the essence of successful interpersonal connections. Discover how embracing authenticity and understanding can lead to meaningful friendships in an ever-changing world. Tune in for a refreshing perspective on friendship and connection, filled with humor, honesty, and heartfelt wisdom.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#0d0d0d;"><span style="font-size:medium;">Fawn and Matt navigate through a spectrum of topics, demonstrating how simple yet profound conversations can deepen bonds and enrich lives. Tune in for insightful conversations and practical tips on nurturing authentic connections in an increasingly disconnected world. Because, as they say, every question holds the potential to spark a meaningful connection. </span></span> </span></span></p>
<h3 class="western"><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">#CandidConversation, #ChallengesOfModernFriendship, #LonelinessEpidemic, #HumanConnection, #RejectingSuperficiality, #Empathy, #Vulnerability, #CompassionateCommunication, #Thought-provokingQuestions, #MeaningfulFriendships, #Authenticity, #Understanding, #NurturingConnections, #Ever-changingWorld, #RefreshingPerspective, #Humor, #Honesty, #HeartfeltWisdom, #DeepeningBonds, #EnrichingLives</span></span></span></h3>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Dive into a candid conversation about the challenges of modern friendship with Fawn and Matt on this week's episode of "Questioning Conversation." As they reflect on the ongoing loneliness epidemic and their own journey in addressing it, Fawn and Matt explore the intricacies of human connection amidst pain and change. Rejecting superficiality, they share personal anecdotes and insights into fostering genuine relationships based on empathy, vulnerability, and compassionate communication. Join them as they navigate through thought-provoking questions, from the impact of loneliness to the essence of successful interpersonal connections. Discover how embracing authenticity and understanding can lead to meaningful friendships in an ever-changing world. Tune in for a refreshing perspective on friendship and connection, filled with humor, honesty, and heartfelt wisdom.
Fawn and Matt navigate through a spectrum of topics, demonstrating how simple yet profound conversations can deepen bonds and enrich lives. Tune in for insightful conversations and practical tips on nurturing authentic connections in an increasingly disconnected world. Because, as they say, every question holds the potential to spark a meaningful connection.  
#CandidConversation, #ChallengesOfModernFriendship, #LonelinessEpidemic, #HumanConnection, #RejectingSuperficiality, #Empathy, #Vulnerability, #CompassionateCommunication, #Thought-provokingQuestions, #MeaningfulFriendships, #Authenticity, #Understanding, #NurturingConnections, #Ever-changingWorld, #RefreshingPerspective, #Humor, #Honesty, #HeartfeltWisdom, #DeepeningBonds, #EnrichingLives]]>
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                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA["Questioning Conversations and Authentic Connections: Navigating Friendship in an Ever-Changing World"]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="color:#0d0d0d;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;">Dive into a candid conversation about the challenges of modern friendship with Fawn and Matt on this week's episode of "Questioning Conversation." As they reflect on the ongoing loneliness epidemic and their own journey in addressing it, Fawn and Matt explore the intricacies of human connection amidst pain and change. Rejecting superficiality, they share personal anecdotes and insights into fostering genuine relationships based on empathy, vulnerability, and compassionate communication. Join them as they navigate through thought-provoking questions, from the impact of loneliness to the essence of successful interpersonal connections. Discover how embracing authenticity and understanding can lead to meaningful friendships in an ever-changing world. Tune in for a refreshing perspective on friendship and connection, filled with humor, honesty, and heartfelt wisdom.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#0d0d0d;"><span style="font-size:medium;">Fawn and Matt navigate through a spectrum of topics, demonstrating how simple yet profound conversations can deepen bonds and enrich lives. Tune in for insightful conversations and practical tips on nurturing authentic connections in an increasingly disconnected world. Because, as they say, every question holds the potential to spark a meaningful connection. </span></span> </span></span></p>
<h3 class="western"><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">#CandidConversation, #ChallengesOfModernFriendship, #LonelinessEpidemic, #HumanConnection, #RejectingSuperficiality, #Empathy, #Vulnerability, #CompassionateCommunication, #Thought-provokingQuestions, #MeaningfulFriendships, #Authenticity, #Understanding, #NurturingConnections, #Ever-changingWorld, #RefreshingPerspective, #Humor, #Honesty, #HeartfeltWisdom, #DeepeningBonds, #EnrichingLives</span></span></span></h3>]]>
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Fawn and Matt navigate through a spectrum of topics, demonstrating how simple yet profound conversations can deepen bonds and enrich lives. Tune in for insightful conversations and practical tips on nurturing authentic connections in an increasingly disconnected world. Because, as they say, every question holds the potential to spark a meaningful connection.  
#CandidConversation, #ChallengesOfModernFriendship, #LonelinessEpidemic, #HumanConnection, #RejectingSuperficiality, #Empathy, #Vulnerability, #CompassionateCommunication, #Thought-provokingQuestions, #MeaningfulFriendships, #Authenticity, #Understanding, #NurturingConnections, #Ever-changingWorld, #RefreshingPerspective, #Humor, #Honesty, #HeartfeltWisdom, #DeepeningBonds, #EnrichingLives]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Understanding Pain in Friendship]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 08 Apr 2024 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this week's episode, Fawn and Matt delve into the intricacies of friendship amidst pain. Fawn opens up about her recent struggles, highlighting how pain, whether physical, emotional, or spiritual, can deeply influence our interactions with others. Drawing parallels between pain and behavior, they explore how pain manifests in subtle cues like body language and tone of voice, affecting our relationships. Reflecting on personal experiences, they emphasize the importance of empathy and vulnerability in fostering meaningful connections. Offering practical insights, they discuss strategies for navigating friendships with grace and understanding, encouraging viewers to adopt a perspective of compassionate detachment. Through candid dialogue and heartfelt anecdotes, Fawn and Matt illuminate the complexities of human connection, inviting listeners to embrace empathy and kindness in their interactions.</p>
<p><strong>Key Themes:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Understanding pain's impact on behavior</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Practicing empathy and vulnerability in friendships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Strategies for fostering meaningful connections</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Importance of compassionate detachment</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:small;">#Friendship, #</span>Pain, #Empathy, #Vulnerability, #HumanConnection, #Relationships, #CompassionateDetachment, #Emotional Resilience, #MeaningfulConnections, #Understanding Behavior, #FriendshipDynamics, #InterpersonalCommunication, #SupportiveRelationships, #NavigatingFriendshipChallenges, #BuildingTrust</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this week's episode, Fawn and Matt delve into the intricacies of friendship amidst pain. Fawn opens up about her recent struggles, highlighting how pain, whether physical, emotional, or spiritual, can deeply influence our interactions with others. Drawing parallels between pain and behavior, they explore how pain manifests in subtle cues like body language and tone of voice, affecting our relationships. Reflecting on personal experiences, they emphasize the importance of empathy and vulnerability in fostering meaningful connections. Offering practical insights, they discuss strategies for navigating friendships with grace and understanding, encouraging viewers to adopt a perspective of compassionate detachment. Through candid dialogue and heartfelt anecdotes, Fawn and Matt illuminate the complexities of human connection, inviting listeners to embrace empathy and kindness in their interactions.
Key Themes:


Understanding pain's impact on behavior


Practicing empathy and vulnerability in friendships


Strategies for fostering meaningful connections


Importance of compassionate detachment


#Friendship, #Pain, #Empathy, #Vulnerability, #HumanConnection, #Relationships, #CompassionateDetachment, #Emotional Resilience, #MeaningfulConnections, #Understanding Behavior, #FriendshipDynamics, #InterpersonalCommunication, #SupportiveRelationships, #NavigatingFriendshipChallenges, #BuildingTrust]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Understanding Pain in Friendship]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>In this week's episode, Fawn and Matt delve into the intricacies of friendship amidst pain. Fawn opens up about her recent struggles, highlighting how pain, whether physical, emotional, or spiritual, can deeply influence our interactions with others. Drawing parallels between pain and behavior, they explore how pain manifests in subtle cues like body language and tone of voice, affecting our relationships. Reflecting on personal experiences, they emphasize the importance of empathy and vulnerability in fostering meaningful connections. Offering practical insights, they discuss strategies for navigating friendships with grace and understanding, encouraging viewers to adopt a perspective of compassionate detachment. Through candid dialogue and heartfelt anecdotes, Fawn and Matt illuminate the complexities of human connection, inviting listeners to embrace empathy and kindness in their interactions.</p>
<p><strong>Key Themes:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Understanding pain's impact on behavior</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Practicing empathy and vulnerability in friendships</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Strategies for fostering meaningful connections</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Importance of compassionate detachment</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">#Friendship, #</span>Pain, #Empathy, #Vulnerability, #HumanConnection, #Relationships, #CompassionateDetachment, #Emotional Resilience, #MeaningfulConnections, #Understanding Behavior, #FriendshipDynamics, #InterpersonalCommunication, #SupportiveRelationships, #NavigatingFriendshipChallenges, #BuildingTrust</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this week's episode, Fawn and Matt delve into the intricacies of friendship amidst pain. Fawn opens up about her recent struggles, highlighting how pain, whether physical, emotional, or spiritual, can deeply influence our interactions with others. Drawing parallels between pain and behavior, they explore how pain manifests in subtle cues like body language and tone of voice, affecting our relationships. Reflecting on personal experiences, they emphasize the importance of empathy and vulnerability in fostering meaningful connections. Offering practical insights, they discuss strategies for navigating friendships with grace and understanding, encouraging viewers to adopt a perspective of compassionate detachment. Through candid dialogue and heartfelt anecdotes, Fawn and Matt illuminate the complexities of human connection, inviting listeners to embrace empathy and kindness in their interactions.
Key Themes:


Understanding pain's impact on behavior


Practicing empathy and vulnerability in friendships


Strategies for fostering meaningful connections


Importance of compassionate detachment


#Friendship, #Pain, #Empathy, #Vulnerability, #HumanConnection, #Relationships, #CompassionateDetachment, #Emotional Resilience, #MeaningfulConnections, #Understanding Behavior, #FriendshipDynamics, #InterpersonalCommunication, #SupportiveRelationships, #NavigatingFriendshipChallenges, #BuildingTrust]]>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:18:42</itunes:duration>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA["Finding Happiness and Deepening Friendships: Embracing Rituals for Everyday Joy"]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 01 Apr 2024 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/finding-happiness-and-deepening-friendships-embracing-rituals-for-everyday-joy</link>
                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#0d0d0d;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;">In this week's episode of "Perfect Days," Fawn and Matt dive into the importance of rituals and routines in finding happiness and deepening friendships. Inspired by a Japanese film titled "Perfect Days," the hosts explore how the protagonist's daily routines bring him peace and fulfillment, despite the mundanity of his tasks. They discuss how too many choices can lead to analysis paralysis, emphasizing the value of simplicity and shared experiences in fostering intimacy and connection with others. Through anecdotes and personal reflections, they highlight the significance of finding rituals that bring joy and meaning to everyday life. Tune in to discover the beauty in embracing rituals and the impact they can have on your happiness and relationships.</span></span></span> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><br /><span style="color:#0d0d0d;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;">#FriendshipGoals #RitualsOfFriendship #DeepeningConnections #HappinessThroughRituals #SimpleJoys #IntimateMoments #EmbracingRituals #MeaningfulConnections #EverydayHappiness #FindingJoy</span></span></span> </span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this week's episode of "Perfect Days," Fawn and Matt dive into the importance of rituals and routines in finding happiness and deepening friendships. Inspired by a Japanese film titled "Perfect Days," the hosts explore how the protagonist's daily routines bring him peace and fulfillment, despite the mundanity of his tasks. They discuss how too many choices can lead to analysis paralysis, emphasizing the value of simplicity and shared experiences in fostering intimacy and connection with others. Through anecdotes and personal reflections, they highlight the significance of finding rituals that bring joy and meaning to everyday life. Tune in to discover the beauty in embracing rituals and the impact they can have on your happiness and relationships. 
#FriendshipGoals #RitualsOfFriendship #DeepeningConnections #HappinessThroughRituals #SimpleJoys #IntimateMoments #EmbracingRituals #MeaningfulConnections #EverydayHappiness #FindingJoy ]]>
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                                    <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA["Finding Happiness and Deepening Friendships: Embracing Rituals for Everyday Joy"]]>
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                                                <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#0d0d0d;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;">In this week's episode of "Perfect Days," Fawn and Matt dive into the importance of rituals and routines in finding happiness and deepening friendships. Inspired by a Japanese film titled "Perfect Days," the hosts explore how the protagonist's daily routines bring him peace and fulfillment, despite the mundanity of his tasks. They discuss how too many choices can lead to analysis paralysis, emphasizing the value of simplicity and shared experiences in fostering intimacy and connection with others. Through anecdotes and personal reflections, they highlight the significance of finding rituals that bring joy and meaning to everyday life. Tune in to discover the beauty in embracing rituals and the impact they can have on your happiness and relationships.</span></span></span> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><br /><span style="color:#0d0d0d;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;">#FriendshipGoals #RitualsOfFriendship #DeepeningConnections #HappinessThroughRituals #SimpleJoys #IntimateMoments #EmbracingRituals #MeaningfulConnections #EverydayHappiness #FindingJoy</span></span></span> </span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this week's episode of "Perfect Days," Fawn and Matt dive into the importance of rituals and routines in finding happiness and deepening friendships. Inspired by a Japanese film titled "Perfect Days," the hosts explore how the protagonist's daily routines bring him peace and fulfillment, despite the mundanity of his tasks. They discuss how too many choices can lead to analysis paralysis, emphasizing the value of simplicity and shared experiences in fostering intimacy and connection with others. Through anecdotes and personal reflections, they highlight the significance of finding rituals that bring joy and meaning to everyday life. Tune in to discover the beauty in embracing rituals and the impact they can have on your happiness and relationships. 
#FriendshipGoals #RitualsOfFriendship #DeepeningConnections #HappinessThroughRituals #SimpleJoys #IntimateMoments #EmbracingRituals #MeaningfulConnections #EverydayHappiness #FindingJoy ]]>
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                    <![CDATA["Embracing the Enchanted Stranger"]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2024 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>In this week's podcast episode, Fawn and Matt explore the concept of the "Enchanted Stranger" and how every encounter in life, no matter how brief, has the power to influence and shape us. Reflecting on a recent encounter with a lost stranger, Fawn shares her journey of moving past past trauma to approach interactions with love and appreciation. They discuss the importance of self-love as the foundation for extending kindness and understanding to others, even in challenging situations. Join them as they delve into the power of embracing each encounter with an open heart and the transformative impact it can have on our lives.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>#EnchantedStranger, #EmbracingEachEncounter, #TransformativeImpact, #PowerOfEmbracing, #ImportanceOfSelf-Love, #HonoringAndAppreciatingOurselves, #MovingPastTrauma</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this week's podcast episode, Fawn and Matt explore the concept of the "Enchanted Stranger" and how every encounter in life, no matter how brief, has the power to influence and shape us. Reflecting on a recent encounter with a lost stranger, Fawn shares her journey of moving past past trauma to approach interactions with love and appreciation. They discuss the importance of self-love as the foundation for extending kindness and understanding to others, even in challenging situations. Join them as they delve into the power of embracing each encounter with an open heart and the transformative impact it can have on our lives.
 
#EnchantedStranger, #EmbracingEachEncounter, #TransformativeImpact, #PowerOfEmbracing, #ImportanceOfSelf-Love, #HonoringAndAppreciatingOurselves, #MovingPastTrauma
]]>
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                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA["Embracing the Enchanted Stranger"]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>In this week's podcast episode, Fawn and Matt explore the concept of the "Enchanted Stranger" and how every encounter in life, no matter how brief, has the power to influence and shape us. Reflecting on a recent encounter with a lost stranger, Fawn shares her journey of moving past past trauma to approach interactions with love and appreciation. They discuss the importance of self-love as the foundation for extending kindness and understanding to others, even in challenging situations. Join them as they delve into the power of embracing each encounter with an open heart and the transformative impact it can have on our lives.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>#EnchantedStranger, #EmbracingEachEncounter, #TransformativeImpact, #PowerOfEmbracing, #ImportanceOfSelf-Love, #HonoringAndAppreciatingOurselves, #MovingPastTrauma</p>
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#EnchantedStranger, #EmbracingEachEncounter, #TransformativeImpact, #PowerOfEmbracing, #ImportanceOfSelf-Love, #HonoringAndAppreciatingOurselves, #MovingPastTrauma
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                    <![CDATA[The Hostage Friend?]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2024 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;">This week's episode of "Our Friendly World" delves into the concept of "hostage friends" - those relationships that may feel forced or obligatory due to shared circumstances, such as working together or attending the same school. Fawn and Matt reflect on their experiences living on an isolated island and forming friendships primarily with people they interacted with at the local grocery store. They explore the dynamics of these relationships, questioning whether they were genuine friendships or merely a result of convenience and circumstance.<br />They discuss the importance of seeking out true friendships based on mutual connection and genuine interest rather than settling for relationships that feel obligatory or one-sided. They emphasize the significance of being objective and neutral in assessing friendships, avoiding the pitfalls of emotional attachment and desire for validation.<br />Overall, the episode encourages listeners to examine the nature of their friendships and pursue authentic connections that bring joy and fulfillment.<br /><br /></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">#FriendshipMovement, </span>#IslandLiving, #PlatonicFriendships, #TrueFriendship, #NegativeThinking, #FriendshipEtymology, #ClassIssues, #SpiritualityOfFriendship, #ManifestingFriendship, #CaptiveFriendships, #ObjectiveFriendship, #FindingTrueFriends, #FriendshipJourney, #MomentumInFriendship, #WorkFriends, #SchoolFriends, #FriendshipTips, #EtymologyExploration, #ConsciousFriendship, #DesireForTrueFriends</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">Title: The Hostage Friend</span></p>
<ol type="I">
<li>
<p>Introduction</p>
<p>A. Fawn and Matt discuss their experience living on an island in Washington state</p>
<p>B. Feeling isolated and the origins of their friendship movement</p>
</li>
</ol>
<ol start="2" type="I">
<li>
<p>Movie Night Plot Holes</p>
<p>A. Fawn and Matt's discussion about watching "The Grand Tour" and finding plot holes</p>
<p>B. Suspend disbelief and the challenges of ignoring plot inconsistencies</p>
</li>
</ol>
<ol start="3" type="I">
<li>
<p>Island Life and Limited Interactions</p>
<p>A. Living on the island and limited social interactions</p>
<p>B. Main interactions with the town and country market and the Blackbird Coffee Shop</p>
<p>C. Development of friendships with people working at the grocery store</p>
</li>
</ol>
<ol start="4" type="I">
<li>
<p>The Concept of Hostage Friends</p>
<p>A. Fawn's realization that their main friends were from the grocery store</p>
<p>B. Exploring the idea of "hostage friends" and the obligation to be friendly</p>
<p>C. Fawn's experiences of racial tension during Obama's election</p>
</li>
</ol>
<ol start="5" type="I">
<li>
<p>Etymology of "Hostage" and "Host"</p>
<p>A. Exploring the etymology of the word "hostage" and its connection to "host"</p>
<p>B. Discussion on the meaning of hospitality and ties of friendship</p>
</li>
</ol>
<ol start="6" type="I">
<li>
<p>Friendships and Class Issues</p>
<p>A. Matt's perspective on potential class issues in their friendships</p>
<p>B. Fawn's reflection on belonging to a certain class</p>
</li>
</ol>
<ol start="7" type="I">
<li>
<p>True Friendship and Conscious Intentions</p>
<p>A. Emphasizing the importance of seeking true friendship</p>
<p>B. Putting intentions out into the universe and engaging in activities to meet like-minded individuals</p>
</li>
</ol>
<ol start="8" type="I">
<li>
<p>Conclusion</p>
<p>A. Fawn's personal experiences and the impact on her perspective</p>
<p>B. Encouraging listeners to take an unbiased and objective approach to evaluating friendships</p>
<p>C. Expressing love and gratitude to the listeners</p>
</li>
</ol>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This week's episode of "Our Friendly World" delves into the concept of "hostage friends" - those relationships that may feel forced or obligatory due to shared circumstances, such as working together or attending the same school. Fawn and Matt reflect on their experiences living on an isolated island and forming friendships primarily with people they interacted with at the local grocery store. They explore the dynamics of these relationships, questioning whether they were genuine friendships or merely a result of convenience and circumstance.They discuss the importance of seeking out true friendships based on mutual connection and genuine interest rather than settling for relationships that feel obligatory or one-sided. They emphasize the significance of being objective and neutral in assessing friendships, avoiding the pitfalls of emotional attachment and desire for validation.Overall, the episode encourages listeners to examine the nature of their friendships and pursue authentic connections that bring joy and fulfillment.
#FriendshipMovement, #IslandLiving, #PlatonicFriendships, #TrueFriendship, #NegativeThinking, #FriendshipEtymology, #ClassIssues, #SpiritualityOfFriendship, #ManifestingFriendship, #CaptiveFriendships, #ObjectiveFriendship, #FindingTrueFriends, #FriendshipJourney, #MomentumInFriendship, #WorkFriends, #SchoolFriends, #FriendshipTips, #EtymologyExploration, #ConsciousFriendship, #DesireForTrueFriends

Title: The Hostage Friend


Introduction
A. Fawn and Matt discuss their experience living on an island in Washington state
B. Feeling isolated and the origins of their friendship movement




Movie Night Plot Holes
A. Fawn and Matt's discussion about watching "The Grand Tour" and finding plot holes
B. Suspend disbelief and the challenges of ignoring plot inconsistencies




Island Life and Limited Interactions
A. Living on the island and limited social interactions
B. Main interactions with the town and country market and the Blackbird Coffee Shop
C. Development of friendships with people working at the grocery store




The Concept of Hostage Friends
A. Fawn's realization that their main friends were from the grocery store
B. Exploring the idea of "hostage friends" and the obligation to be friendly
C. Fawn's experiences of racial tension during Obama's election




Etymology of "Hostage" and "Host"
A. Exploring the etymology of the word "hostage" and its connection to "host"
B. Discussion on the meaning of hospitality and ties of friendship




Friendships and Class Issues
A. Matt's perspective on potential class issues in their friendships
B. Fawn's reflection on belonging to a certain class




True Friendship and Conscious Intentions
A. Emphasizing the importance of seeking true friendship
B. Putting intentions out into the universe and engaging in activities to meet like-minded individuals




Conclusion
A. Fawn's personal experiences and the impact on her perspective
B. Encouraging listeners to take an unbiased and objective approach to evaluating friendships
C. Expressing love and gratitude to the listeners

]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The Hostage Friend?]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;">This week's episode of "Our Friendly World" delves into the concept of "hostage friends" - those relationships that may feel forced or obligatory due to shared circumstances, such as working together or attending the same school. Fawn and Matt reflect on their experiences living on an isolated island and forming friendships primarily with people they interacted with at the local grocery store. They explore the dynamics of these relationships, questioning whether they were genuine friendships or merely a result of convenience and circumstance.<br />They discuss the importance of seeking out true friendships based on mutual connection and genuine interest rather than settling for relationships that feel obligatory or one-sided. They emphasize the significance of being objective and neutral in assessing friendships, avoiding the pitfalls of emotional attachment and desire for validation.<br />Overall, the episode encourages listeners to examine the nature of their friendships and pursue authentic connections that bring joy and fulfillment.<br /><br /></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">#FriendshipMovement, </span>#IslandLiving, #PlatonicFriendships, #TrueFriendship, #NegativeThinking, #FriendshipEtymology, #ClassIssues, #SpiritualityOfFriendship, #ManifestingFriendship, #CaptiveFriendships, #ObjectiveFriendship, #FindingTrueFriends, #FriendshipJourney, #MomentumInFriendship, #WorkFriends, #SchoolFriends, #FriendshipTips, #EtymologyExploration, #ConsciousFriendship, #DesireForTrueFriends</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">Title: The Hostage Friend</span></p>
<ol type="I">
<li>
<p>Introduction</p>
<p>A. Fawn and Matt discuss their experience living on an island in Washington state</p>
<p>B. Feeling isolated and the origins of their friendship movement</p>
</li>
</ol>
<ol start="2" type="I">
<li>
<p>Movie Night Plot Holes</p>
<p>A. Fawn and Matt's discussion about watching "The Grand Tour" and finding plot holes</p>
<p>B. Suspend disbelief and the challenges of ignoring plot inconsistencies</p>
</li>
</ol>
<ol start="3" type="I">
<li>
<p>Island Life and Limited Interactions</p>
<p>A. Living on the island and limited social interactions</p>
<p>B. Main interactions with the town and country market and the Blackbird Coffee Shop</p>
<p>C. Development of friendships with people working at the grocery store</p>
</li>
</ol>
<ol start="4" type="I">
<li>
<p>The Concept of Hostage Friends</p>
<p>A. Fawn's realization that their main friends were from the grocery store</p>
<p>B. Exploring the idea of "hostage friends" and the obligation to be friendly</p>
<p>C. Fawn's experiences of racial tension during Obama's election</p>
</li>
</ol>
<ol start="5" type="I">
<li>
<p>Etymology of "Hostage" and "Host"</p>
<p>A. Exploring the etymology of the word "hostage" and its connection to "host"</p>
<p>B. Discussion on the meaning of hospitality and ties of friendship</p>
</li>
</ol>
<ol start="6" type="I">
<li>
<p>Friendships and Class Issues</p>
<p>A. Matt's perspective on potential class issues in their friendships</p>
<p>B. Fawn's reflection on belonging to a certain class</p>
</li>
</ol>
<ol start="7" type="I">
<li>
<p>True Friendship and Conscious Intentions</p>
<p>A. Emphasizing the importance of seeking true friendship</p>
<p>B. Putting intentions out into the universe and engaging in activities to meet like-minded individuals</p>
</li>
</ol>
<ol start="8" type="I">
<li>
<p>Conclusion</p>
<p>A. Fawn's personal experiences and the impact on her perspective</p>
<p>B. Encouraging listeners to take an unbiased and objective approach to evaluating friendships</p>
<p>C. Expressing love and gratitude to the listeners</p>
</li>
</ol>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This week's episode of "Our Friendly World" delves into the concept of "hostage friends" - those relationships that may feel forced or obligatory due to shared circumstances, such as working together or attending the same school. Fawn and Matt reflect on their experiences living on an isolated island and forming friendships primarily with people they interacted with at the local grocery store. They explore the dynamics of these relationships, questioning whether they were genuine friendships or merely a result of convenience and circumstance.They discuss the importance of seeking out true friendships based on mutual connection and genuine interest rather than settling for relationships that feel obligatory or one-sided. They emphasize the significance of being objective and neutral in assessing friendships, avoiding the pitfalls of emotional attachment and desire for validation.Overall, the episode encourages listeners to examine the nature of their friendships and pursue authentic connections that bring joy and fulfillment.
#FriendshipMovement, #IslandLiving, #PlatonicFriendships, #TrueFriendship, #NegativeThinking, #FriendshipEtymology, #ClassIssues, #SpiritualityOfFriendship, #ManifestingFriendship, #CaptiveFriendships, #ObjectiveFriendship, #FindingTrueFriends, #FriendshipJourney, #MomentumInFriendship, #WorkFriends, #SchoolFriends, #FriendshipTips, #EtymologyExploration, #ConsciousFriendship, #DesireForTrueFriends

Title: The Hostage Friend


Introduction
A. Fawn and Matt discuss their experience living on an island in Washington state
B. Feeling isolated and the origins of their friendship movement




Movie Night Plot Holes
A. Fawn and Matt's discussion about watching "The Grand Tour" and finding plot holes
B. Suspend disbelief and the challenges of ignoring plot inconsistencies




Island Life and Limited Interactions
A. Living on the island and limited social interactions
B. Main interactions with the town and country market and the Blackbird Coffee Shop
C. Development of friendships with people working at the grocery store




The Concept of Hostage Friends
A. Fawn's realization that their main friends were from the grocery store
B. Exploring the idea of "hostage friends" and the obligation to be friendly
C. Fawn's experiences of racial tension during Obama's election




Etymology of "Hostage" and "Host"
A. Exploring the etymology of the word "hostage" and its connection to "host"
B. Discussion on the meaning of hospitality and ties of friendship




Friendships and Class Issues
A. Matt's perspective on potential class issues in their friendships
B. Fawn's reflection on belonging to a certain class




True Friendship and Conscious Intentions
A. Emphasizing the importance of seeking true friendship
B. Putting intentions out into the universe and engaging in activities to meet like-minded individuals




Conclusion
A. Fawn's personal experiences and the impact on her perspective
B. Encouraging listeners to take an unbiased and objective approach to evaluating friendships
C. Expressing love and gratitude to the listeners

]]>
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                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA["Processing Emotions Daily: A Guide to Compartmentalization and Friendship"]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2024 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;">This <span style="color:#0d0d0d;">episode explores the concept of compartmentalization and its effects on daily life, relationships, and emotional well-being. Fawn and Matt discuss the importance of daily cleaning, both literal and metaphorical, to prevent emotional clutter from accumulating and impacting mental health. They share personal experiences, including traumatic events and coping mechanisms, to illustrate the significance of addressing emotions as they arise rather than storing them away. The conversation emphasizes the value of vulnerability, communication, and self-care in maintaining healthy relationships and fostering personal growth. Overall, the episode offers insights into navigating life's challenges while striving for emotional balance and connection.</span> </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">#Compartmentalization, #Emotional Well-Being, #DailyCleaning, #RelationshipMaintenance, #CopingMechanisms, #Vulnerability, #Self-Care, #EmotionalSpringCleaning, </span></span><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">#NavigatingFriendships, #TraumaAndRelationships, #VulnerabilityInFriendships, #Self-CareForEmotionalWell-Being, #DailyCleaningForMental Health, #CompartmentalizationAndRelationships, #HealthyRelationshipMaintenance, #PersonalGrowthThroughEmotionalBalance</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"> I. Introduction</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     A. Opening conversation about cleaning and its significance in various contexts</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     B. Reference to martial arts school tradition and religious practices</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"> II. Personal Experiences with Cleaning</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     A. Fawn's daily cleaning routine and its connection to managing clutter</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     B. Discussion on the importance of addressing emotions as they arise</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     C. Matt's perspective on compartmentalization and the need for in-the-moment coping</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"> III. Compartmentalization and Cleaning Metaphor</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     A. Definition and explanation of compartmentalization</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     B. Comparison of emotional storage to physical clutter in the home</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     C. Analogy of emotions as "toddlers" seeking attention</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"> IV. Impact of Compartmentalization on Relationships</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     A. Personal stories of dealing with trauma and the subsequent emotional challenges</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     B. Discussion on the concept of capacity in friendships and relationships</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     C. Reflection on the role of compartmentalization in facing life-threatening health crises</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"> V. Importance of Daily Emotional Cleaning</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     A. Fawn's realization prompted by Farnoosh's perspective on daily cleaning</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     B. Metaphor of emotional cleaning as a way to create space for positive experiences</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     C. Mention of yoga philosophy and the idea of hoarding emotions</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"> VI. Practical Tips for Emotional Maintenance</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     A. Fawn's suggestion of the 90-second rule for processing emotions</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     B. Matt's emphasis on finding personal time for reflection and emotional release</span></p>...]]>
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                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[This episode explores the concept of compartmentalization and its effects on daily life, relationships, and emotional well-being. Fawn and Matt discuss the importance of daily cleaning, both literal and metaphorical, to prevent emotional clutter from accumulating and impacting mental health. They share personal experiences, including traumatic events and coping mechanisms, to illustrate the significance of addressing emotions as they arise rather than storing them away. The conversation emphasizes the value of vulnerability, communication, and self-care in maintaining healthy relationships and fostering personal growth. Overall, the episode offers insights into navigating life's challenges while striving for emotional balance and connection. 
#Compartmentalization, #Emotional Well-Being, #DailyCleaning, #RelationshipMaintenance, #CopingMechanisms, #Vulnerability, #Self-Care, #EmotionalSpringCleaning, #NavigatingFriendships, #TraumaAndRelationships, #VulnerabilityInFriendships, #Self-CareForEmotionalWell-Being, #DailyCleaningForMental Health, #CompartmentalizationAndRelationships, #HealthyRelationshipMaintenance, #PersonalGrowthThroughEmotionalBalance
 I. Introduction
     A. Opening conversation about cleaning and its significance in various contexts
     B. Reference to martial arts school tradition and religious practices
 II. Personal Experiences with Cleaning
     A. Fawn's daily cleaning routine and its connection to managing clutter
     B. Discussion on the importance of addressing emotions as they arise
     C. Matt's perspective on compartmentalization and the need for in-the-moment coping
 III. Compartmentalization and Cleaning Metaphor
     A. Definition and explanation of compartmentalization
     B. Comparison of emotional storage to physical clutter in the home
     C. Analogy of emotions as "toddlers" seeking attention
 IV. Impact of Compartmentalization on Relationships
     A. Personal stories of dealing with trauma and the subsequent emotional challenges
     B. Discussion on the concept of capacity in friendships and relationships
     C. Reflection on the role of compartmentalization in facing life-threatening health crises
 V. Importance of Daily Emotional Cleaning
     A. Fawn's realization prompted by Farnoosh's perspective on daily cleaning
     B. Metaphor of emotional cleaning as a way to create space for positive experiences
     C. Mention of yoga philosophy and the idea of hoarding emotions
 VI. Practical Tips for Emotional Maintenance
     A. Fawn's suggestion of the 90-second rule for processing emotions
     B. Matt's emphasis on finding personal time for reflection and emotional release...]]>
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                    <![CDATA["Processing Emotions Daily: A Guide to Compartmentalization and Friendship"]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;">This <span style="color:#0d0d0d;">episode explores the concept of compartmentalization and its effects on daily life, relationships, and emotional well-being. Fawn and Matt discuss the importance of daily cleaning, both literal and metaphorical, to prevent emotional clutter from accumulating and impacting mental health. They share personal experiences, including traumatic events and coping mechanisms, to illustrate the significance of addressing emotions as they arise rather than storing them away. The conversation emphasizes the value of vulnerability, communication, and self-care in maintaining healthy relationships and fostering personal growth. Overall, the episode offers insights into navigating life's challenges while striving for emotional balance and connection.</span> </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">#Compartmentalization, #Emotional Well-Being, #DailyCleaning, #RelationshipMaintenance, #CopingMechanisms, #Vulnerability, #Self-Care, #EmotionalSpringCleaning, </span></span><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">#NavigatingFriendships, #TraumaAndRelationships, #VulnerabilityInFriendships, #Self-CareForEmotionalWell-Being, #DailyCleaningForMental Health, #CompartmentalizationAndRelationships, #HealthyRelationshipMaintenance, #PersonalGrowthThroughEmotionalBalance</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"> I. Introduction</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     A. Opening conversation about cleaning and its significance in various contexts</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     B. Reference to martial arts school tradition and religious practices</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"> II. Personal Experiences with Cleaning</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     A. Fawn's daily cleaning routine and its connection to managing clutter</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     B. Discussion on the importance of addressing emotions as they arise</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     C. Matt's perspective on compartmentalization and the need for in-the-moment coping</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"> III. Compartmentalization and Cleaning Metaphor</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     A. Definition and explanation of compartmentalization</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     B. Comparison of emotional storage to physical clutter in the home</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     C. Analogy of emotions as "toddlers" seeking attention</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"> IV. Impact of Compartmentalization on Relationships</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     A. Personal stories of dealing with trauma and the subsequent emotional challenges</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     B. Discussion on the concept of capacity in friendships and relationships</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     C. Reflection on the role of compartmentalization in facing life-threatening health crises</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"> V. Importance of Daily Emotional Cleaning</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     A. Fawn's realization prompted by Farnoosh's perspective on daily cleaning</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     B. Metaphor of emotional cleaning as a way to create space for positive experiences</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     C. Mention of yoga philosophy and the idea of hoarding emotions</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"> VI. Practical Tips for Emotional Maintenance</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     A. Fawn's suggestion of the 90-second rule for processing emotions</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     B. Matt's emphasis on finding personal time for reflection and emotional release</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     C. The importance of communication and vulnerability in maintaining healthy relationships</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"> VII. Closing Thoughts</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     A. Acknowledgment of the ongoing challenge of emotional maintenance</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     B. Reminder of the benefits of regular emotional cleaning for personal growth and well-being</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     C. Encouragement to embrace vulnerability, communicate openly, and prioritize self-care</span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This episode explores the concept of compartmentalization and its effects on daily life, relationships, and emotional well-being. Fawn and Matt discuss the importance of daily cleaning, both literal and metaphorical, to prevent emotional clutter from accumulating and impacting mental health. They share personal experiences, including traumatic events and coping mechanisms, to illustrate the significance of addressing emotions as they arise rather than storing them away. The conversation emphasizes the value of vulnerability, communication, and self-care in maintaining healthy relationships and fostering personal growth. Overall, the episode offers insights into navigating life's challenges while striving for emotional balance and connection. 
#Compartmentalization, #Emotional Well-Being, #DailyCleaning, #RelationshipMaintenance, #CopingMechanisms, #Vulnerability, #Self-Care, #EmotionalSpringCleaning, #NavigatingFriendships, #TraumaAndRelationships, #VulnerabilityInFriendships, #Self-CareForEmotionalWell-Being, #DailyCleaningForMental Health, #CompartmentalizationAndRelationships, #HealthyRelationshipMaintenance, #PersonalGrowthThroughEmotionalBalance
 I. Introduction
     A. Opening conversation about cleaning and its significance in various contexts
     B. Reference to martial arts school tradition and religious practices
 II. Personal Experiences with Cleaning
     A. Fawn's daily cleaning routine and its connection to managing clutter
     B. Discussion on the importance of addressing emotions as they arise
     C. Matt's perspective on compartmentalization and the need for in-the-moment coping
 III. Compartmentalization and Cleaning Metaphor
     A. Definition and explanation of compartmentalization
     B. Comparison of emotional storage to physical clutter in the home
     C. Analogy of emotions as "toddlers" seeking attention
 IV. Impact of Compartmentalization on Relationships
     A. Personal stories of dealing with trauma and the subsequent emotional challenges
     B. Discussion on the concept of capacity in friendships and relationships
     C. Reflection on the role of compartmentalization in facing life-threatening health crises
 V. Importance of Daily Emotional Cleaning
     A. Fawn's realization prompted by Farnoosh's perspective on daily cleaning
     B. Metaphor of emotional cleaning as a way to create space for positive experiences
     C. Mention of yoga philosophy and the idea of hoarding emotions
 VI. Practical Tips for Emotional Maintenance
     A. Fawn's suggestion of the 90-second rule for processing emotions
     B. Matt's emphasis on finding personal time for reflection and emotional release...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[An O.C.E.A.N of Friends - Understanding Personality Dynamics: OCEAN Test Exploration]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2024 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/an-ocean-of-friends-understanding-personality-dynamics-ocean-test-exploration</link>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="color:#0d0d0d;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';">In this week's podcast episode, Fawn and Matt discuss their experience taking the Big Five Personality Test, also known as the OCEAN test, which assesses openness, conscientiousness, extroversion, agreeableness, and neuroticism. Fawn expresses her disdain for tests, while Matt explains the significance of understanding these personality dimensions in the context of friendships and relationships. They analyze their own test results and discuss how these traits manifest in their interactions with each other and with friends. The conversation delves into the complexities of personality dynamics and the importance of empathy and understanding in fostering meaningful connections. Overall, they emphasize the value of recognizing and respecting differences in personality while navigating friendships.</span></span> </span></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this week's podcast episode, Fawn and Matt discuss their experience taking the Big Five Personality Test, also known as the OCEAN test, which assesses openness, conscientiousness, extroversion, agreeableness, and neuroticism. Fawn expresses her disdain for tests, while Matt explains the significance of understanding these personality dimensions in the context of friendships and relationships. They analyze their own test results and discuss how these traits manifest in their interactions with each other and with friends. The conversation delves into the complexities of personality dynamics and the importance of empathy and understanding in fostering meaningful connections. Overall, they emphasize the value of recognizing and respecting differences in personality while navigating friendships. 
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#374151;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;"><strong>In this week's episode, Fawn and Matt discuss the concept of the "Orange Peel Theory" as a way to gauge the strength of relationships. They delve into the importance of small gestures, genuine empathy, and maintaining balance in friendships. Through anecdotes and reflections, they explore the dynamics of emotional intelligence and the value of authenticity in interactions. Ultimately, they emphasize the significance of understanding and nurturing relationships with care and sincerity.</strong></span></span></span> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#1d1d1f;"><span style="font-family:'SF Pro Text', 'SF Pro Icons', 'Apple WebExp Icons Custom', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Join us in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</span></span> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">#OrangePeelTheory, #</span>FriendshipStrength, #RelationshipGauge, #EmotionalIntelligenceTest, #MicroGestures, #FavorsInRelationships, #AuthenticityInFriendships, #TheOrangePeelTest, #TheArtOfFriendship, #FriendshipPodcast</p>
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                    <![CDATA[In this week's episode, Fawn and Matt discuss the concept of the "Orange Peel Theory" as a way to gauge the strength of relationships. They delve into the importance of small gestures, genuine empathy, and maintaining balance in friendships. Through anecdotes and reflections, they explore the dynamics of emotional intelligence and the value of authenticity in interactions. Ultimately, they emphasize the significance of understanding and nurturing relationships with care and sincerity. 
Join us in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace 
#OrangePeelTheory, #FriendshipStrength, #RelationshipGauge, #EmotionalIntelligenceTest, #MicroGestures, #FavorsInRelationships, #AuthenticityInFriendships, #TheOrangePeelTest, #TheArtOfFriendship, #FriendshipPodcast

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<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#1d1d1f;"><span style="font-family:'SF Pro Text', 'SF Pro Icons', 'Apple WebExp Icons Custom', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Join us in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</span></span> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">#OrangePeelTheory, #</span>FriendshipStrength, #RelationshipGauge, #EmotionalIntelligenceTest, #MicroGestures, #FavorsInRelationships, #AuthenticityInFriendships, #TheOrangePeelTest, #TheArtOfFriendship, #FriendshipPodcast</p>
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Join us in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace 
#OrangePeelTheory, #FriendshipStrength, #RelationshipGauge, #EmotionalIntelligenceTest, #MicroGestures, #FavorsInRelationships, #AuthenticityInFriendships, #TheOrangePeelTest, #TheArtOfFriendship, #FriendshipPodcast

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                    <![CDATA["The 'Popular Friend' - Navigating Authenticity: The Pitfalls of the Popularity Game"]]>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><span style="color:#374151;">In this week's episode, Fawn delves into the complexities of popularity and authenticity. She reflects on the societal pressure to conform to popular standards, observing how some individuals prioritize appearing popular over genuine connection and well-being. Drawing from personal experiences and societal observations, Fawn highlights the dangers of sacrificing authenticity for popularity, emphasizing the importance of being true to oneself and respecting others' boundaries. Fawn and Matt, navigate through discussions on societal norms, labeling, and the power of words, advocating for presence, respect, and authenticity in all interactions. As they explore the nuances of friendship and societal expectations, Fawn's impassioned reflections offer insights into fostering meaningful connections and embracing individuality in a world often consumed by the pursuit of popularity.</span> </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>#AuthenticLiving, #FriendshipMatters, #RealTalk, #SocietyReflections, #PopularVsAuthentic, #ConsciousCommunication, #ParentingChallenges</strong></span></span></p>
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#AuthenticLiving, #FriendshipMatters, #RealTalk, #SocietyReflections, #PopularVsAuthentic, #ConsciousCommunication, #ParentingChallenges
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<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>#AuthenticLiving, #FriendshipMatters, #RealTalk, #SocietyReflections, #PopularVsAuthentic, #ConsciousCommunication, #ParentingChallenges</strong></span></span></p>
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#AuthenticLiving, #FriendshipMatters, #RealTalk, #SocietyReflections, #PopularVsAuthentic, #ConsciousCommunication, #ParentingChallenges
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                    <![CDATA[The Art of Joy]]>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#374151;">This week's episode delves into the importance of joy in life, especially during challenging times, exploring the significance of creating art or engaging in creative activities every day to maintain balance and counteracting negative thoughts. The episode emphasizes the transformative power of joy, even in the face of hardship, and encourages listeners to embrace and prioritize joy in their lives. Fawn and Matt, share personal experiences and discuss a seven-day program called "Big Joy" based on a citizen science project at UC Berkeley, designed to increase emotional well-being and cultivating joy. </span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#374151;">The big reminder: JOY, especially in times of hardship, when times are hard, guy, when there's so much sorrow, when things are scary, you need joy. Joy is our life force.<br /><br />Do not feel guilty about experiencing joy. You need to. It is a necessity. It is a life force. </span></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#374151;">#TheArtOfFriendship, #OurFriendlyWorld, #TheArtOfJoy, </span>#JoyChallenge, #BigJoy, #GreaterGoodScience, #UCBerkeleyJoyProject, #DailyJoyCreation, #EmbracingJoy, #WellBeingJourney, #ShiftYourPerspective, #GratitudePractice</span></span></p>
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The big reminder: JOY, especially in times of hardship, when times are hard, guy, when there's so much sorrow, when things are scary, you need joy. Joy is our life force.Do not feel guilty about experiencing joy. You need to. It is a necessity. It is a life force. 

#TheArtOfFriendship, #OurFriendlyWorld, #TheArtOfJoy, #JoyChallenge, #BigJoy, #GreaterGoodScience, #UCBerkeleyJoyProject, #DailyJoyCreation, #EmbracingJoy, #WellBeingJourney, #ShiftYourPerspective, #GratitudePractice
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#374151;">This week's episode delves into the importance of joy in life, especially during challenging times, exploring the significance of creating art or engaging in creative activities every day to maintain balance and counteracting negative thoughts. The episode emphasizes the transformative power of joy, even in the face of hardship, and encourages listeners to embrace and prioritize joy in their lives. Fawn and Matt, share personal experiences and discuss a seven-day program called "Big Joy" based on a citizen science project at UC Berkeley, designed to increase emotional well-being and cultivating joy. </span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#374151;">The big reminder: JOY, especially in times of hardship, when times are hard, guy, when there's so much sorrow, when things are scary, you need joy. Joy is our life force.<br /><br />Do not feel guilty about experiencing joy. You need to. It is a necessity. It is a life force. </span></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#374151;">#TheArtOfFriendship, #OurFriendlyWorld, #TheArtOfJoy, </span>#JoyChallenge, #BigJoy, #GreaterGoodScience, #UCBerkeleyJoyProject, #DailyJoyCreation, #EmbracingJoy, #WellBeingJourney, #ShiftYourPerspective, #GratitudePractice</span></span></p>
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The big reminder: JOY, especially in times of hardship, when times are hard, guy, when there's so much sorrow, when things are scary, you need joy. Joy is our life force.Do not feel guilty about experiencing joy. You need to. It is a necessity. It is a life force. 

#TheArtOfFriendship, #OurFriendlyWorld, #TheArtOfJoy, #JoyChallenge, #BigJoy, #GreaterGoodScience, #UCBerkeleyJoyProject, #DailyJoyCreation, #EmbracingJoy, #WellBeingJourney, #ShiftYourPerspective, #GratitudePractice
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="color:#374151;"> <span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';">This week on Our Friendly World, Fawn and Matt explore the theme of overcoming the judgments and opinions of others, with a focus on the importance of letting go and not trying to prove oneself to everyone. Fawn reflects on a play she created with a single word, "okay," as a response to critics. The episode emphasizes the message of finding peace in being true to oneself and not seeking validation from others.</span></span> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><br /><span style="color:#374151;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';">This week's podcast episode delves into Fawn's experiences studying in England with American professors, particularly in a literature and creative writing course. Faced with challenges and criticism from professors and an art editor, Fawn shares the story of how she overcame judgments and negative perceptions. The episode explores the theme of not letting others' opinions define you, featuring a play Fawn wrote with just one word: "Okay." The narrative highlights the importance of finding peace within oneself and not constantly seeking validation from others.</span></span> </span></p>
<p>#CreativeWriting, #Photography, #ArtCritics, #OvercomingChallenges, #SelfValidation, #Okay, #LifeLessons, #LetItGo, #PeerSupport, #OK, #Friendship, #LifeLessons</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">Join us in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our </span></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have</span></span><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"> </span></span></span><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span></span></span><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</span></span></a> </span></p>]]>
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This week's podcast episode delves into Fawn's experiences studying in England with American professors, particularly in a literature and creative writing course. Faced with challenges and criticism from professors and an art editor, Fawn shares the story of how she overcame judgments and negative perceptions. The episode explores the theme of not letting others' opinions define you, featuring a play Fawn wrote with just one word: "Okay." The narrative highlights the importance of finding peace within oneself and not constantly seeking validation from others. 
#CreativeWriting, #Photography, #ArtCritics, #OvercomingChallenges, #SelfValidation, #Okay, #LifeLessons, #LetItGo, #PeerSupport, #OK, #Friendship, #LifeLessons

Join us in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace ]]>
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<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><br /><span style="color:#374151;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';">This week's podcast episode delves into Fawn's experiences studying in England with American professors, particularly in a literature and creative writing course. Faced with challenges and criticism from professors and an art editor, Fawn shares the story of how she overcame judgments and negative perceptions. The episode explores the theme of not letting others' opinions define you, featuring a play Fawn wrote with just one word: "Okay." The narrative highlights the importance of finding peace within oneself and not constantly seeking validation from others.</span></span> </span></p>
<p>#CreativeWriting, #Photography, #ArtCritics, #OvercomingChallenges, #SelfValidation, #Okay, #LifeLessons, #LetItGo, #PeerSupport, #OK, #Friendship, #LifeLessons</p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">Join us in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our </span></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have</span></span><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"> </span></span></span><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span></span></span><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</span></span></a> </span></p>]]>
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This week's podcast episode delves into Fawn's experiences studying in England with American professors, particularly in a literature and creative writing course. Faced with challenges and criticism from professors and an art editor, Fawn shares the story of how she overcame judgments and negative perceptions. The episode explores the theme of not letting others' opinions define you, featuring a play Fawn wrote with just one word: "Okay." The narrative highlights the importance of finding peace within oneself and not constantly seeking validation from others. 
#CreativeWriting, #Photography, #ArtCritics, #OvercomingChallenges, #SelfValidation, #Okay, #LifeLessons, #LetItGo, #PeerSupport, #OK, #Friendship, #LifeLessons

Join us in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace ]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Unraveling the Art of Asking Questions: Engaging in Meaningful Conversations with Our Friend Barry Lane]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2024 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">Fawn and Matt are joined by Barry Lane as they delve into the challenges of asking questions, sharing personal experiences and insights. They discuss the impact of questions on relationships, the nuances of questioning, and the power of open-ended inquiries. Barry Lane emphasizes the importance of finding questions that help people discover themselves and shares anecdotes about the effectiveness of such questions. The episode also touches on the media's role in framing questions and the potential for more meaningful conversations by focusing on problem-solving rather than conflict.</span></p>
<p> </p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">Join us in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our </span></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have</span></span><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"> </span></span></span><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span></span></span><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</span></span></a> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">#storytelling, #ConversationalSkills, #AskingQuestions #CommunicationTechniques, #authenticity, #MindfulnessInCommunication, #DeepListening, #UnderstandingOthers</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">To reach Barry Lane:</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><a href="https://forcefieldforgood.com/">https://forcefieldforgood.com/</a></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn and Matt are joined by Barry Lane as they delve into the challenges of asking questions, sharing personal experiences and insights. They discuss the impact of questions on relationships, the nuances of questioning, and the power of open-ended inquiries. Barry Lane emphasizes the importance of finding questions that help people discover themselves and shares anecdotes about the effectiveness of such questions. The episode also touches on the media's role in framing questions and the potential for more meaningful conversations by focusing on problem-solving rather than conflict.
 
Join us in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace 
#storytelling, #ConversationalSkills, #AskingQuestions #CommunicationTechniques, #authenticity, #MindfulnessInCommunication, #DeepListening, #UnderstandingOthers
To reach Barry Lane:
https://forcefieldforgood.com/
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                    <![CDATA[Unraveling the Art of Asking Questions: Engaging in Meaningful Conversations with Our Friend Barry Lane]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">Fawn and Matt are joined by Barry Lane as they delve into the challenges of asking questions, sharing personal experiences and insights. They discuss the impact of questions on relationships, the nuances of questioning, and the power of open-ended inquiries. Barry Lane emphasizes the importance of finding questions that help people discover themselves and shares anecdotes about the effectiveness of such questions. The episode also touches on the media's role in framing questions and the potential for more meaningful conversations by focusing on problem-solving rather than conflict.</span></p>
<p> </p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">Join us in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our </span></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have</span></span><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"> </span></span></span><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span></span></span><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</span></span></a> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">#storytelling, #ConversationalSkills, #AskingQuestions #CommunicationTechniques, #authenticity, #MindfulnessInCommunication, #DeepListening, #UnderstandingOthers</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">To reach Barry Lane:</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><a href="https://forcefieldforgood.com/">https://forcefieldforgood.com/</a></span></p>
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Join us in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace 
#storytelling, #ConversationalSkills, #AskingQuestions #CommunicationTechniques, #authenticity, #MindfulnessInCommunication, #DeepListening, #UnderstandingOthers
To reach Barry Lane:
https://forcefieldforgood.com/
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                    <![CDATA[The Humanitarian Clown – Ali Cheff]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2024 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">In this thought-provoking episode, Fawn and Matt engage in a deep conversation with their guest, Ali Cheff. They delve into the meaning of 'clown' - not just in the traditional sense of humor and entertainment, but also as a metaphor for letting go of ego, embracing vulnerability, and the power of really seeing and hearing others. They also discuss the concept of being 'Down to Clown', essentially being open to laugh at oneself, acknowledging one's strengths and weaknesses and to not take oneself too seriously. Through instances of personal experiences and introspection, they explore the importance of community, connection, and conversation.<br /><br />#clown, #HumanitarianClowning, #community, #friendship, #connection, #compassion, #conversation #DownToClown #TheArtOfFriendship</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">Join us in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our </span></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have</span></span><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"> </span></span></span><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span></span></span><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</span></span></a> </span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this thought-provoking episode, Fawn and Matt engage in a deep conversation with their guest, Ali Cheff. They delve into the meaning of 'clown' - not just in the traditional sense of humor and entertainment, but also as a metaphor for letting go of ego, embracing vulnerability, and the power of really seeing and hearing others. They also discuss the concept of being 'Down to Clown', essentially being open to laugh at oneself, acknowledging one's strengths and weaknesses and to not take oneself too seriously. Through instances of personal experiences and introspection, they explore the importance of community, connection, and conversation.#clown, #HumanitarianClowning, #community, #friendship, #connection, #compassion, #conversation #DownToClown #TheArtOfFriendship
Join us in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace ]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The Humanitarian Clown – Ali Cheff]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">In this thought-provoking episode, Fawn and Matt engage in a deep conversation with their guest, Ali Cheff. They delve into the meaning of 'clown' - not just in the traditional sense of humor and entertainment, but also as a metaphor for letting go of ego, embracing vulnerability, and the power of really seeing and hearing others. They also discuss the concept of being 'Down to Clown', essentially being open to laugh at oneself, acknowledging one's strengths and weaknesses and to not take oneself too seriously. Through instances of personal experiences and introspection, they explore the importance of community, connection, and conversation.<br /><br />#clown, #HumanitarianClowning, #community, #friendship, #connection, #compassion, #conversation #DownToClown #TheArtOfFriendship</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">Join us in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our </span></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have</span></span><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"> </span></span></span><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span></span></span><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</span></span></a> </span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this thought-provoking episode, Fawn and Matt engage in a deep conversation with their guest, Ali Cheff. They delve into the meaning of 'clown' - not just in the traditional sense of humor and entertainment, but also as a metaphor for letting go of ego, embracing vulnerability, and the power of really seeing and hearing others. They also discuss the concept of being 'Down to Clown', essentially being open to laugh at oneself, acknowledging one's strengths and weaknesses and to not take oneself too seriously. Through instances of personal experiences and introspection, they explore the importance of community, connection, and conversation.#clown, #HumanitarianClowning, #community, #friendship, #connection, #compassion, #conversation #DownToClown #TheArtOfFriendship
Join us in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace ]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The Transient Friend]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2024 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#374151;">In this week's podcast episode, Fawn and Matt explore the concept of transient friendships. They debate the impact of a digital footprint on personal growth and societal expectations. What are the potential benefits of getting lost in life and the value of constantly making new friends? Overall, the episode delves into the balance between the permanence and transience of friendships in today's society. The episode concludes with a reflection on the transient nature of life and the benefits of embracing new experiences and friendships.</span> </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>#TranscendExperience #MakeNewFriends #EmbraceTransience #LifeIsTransient #FriendshipJourney #GetLostAndFound #SmallWorldStories #AuthenticLiving #ForgetInternetJudgment #LiveInTheMoment</strong></span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[In this week's podcast episode, Fawn and Matt explore the concept of transient friendships. They debate the impact of a digital footprint on personal growth and societal expectations. What are the potential benefits of getting lost in life and the value of constantly making new friends? Overall, the episode delves into the balance between the permanence and transience of friendships in today's society. The episode concludes with a reflection on the transient nature of life and the benefits of embracing new experiences and friendships. 
#TranscendExperience #MakeNewFriends #EmbraceTransience #LifeIsTransient #FriendshipJourney #GetLostAndFound #SmallWorldStories #AuthenticLiving #ForgetInternetJudgment #LiveInTheMoment

 
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#374151;">In this week's podcast episode, Fawn and Matt explore the concept of transient friendships. They debate the impact of a digital footprint on personal growth and societal expectations. What are the potential benefits of getting lost in life and the value of constantly making new friends? Overall, the episode delves into the balance between the permanence and transience of friendships in today's society. The episode concludes with a reflection on the transient nature of life and the benefits of embracing new experiences and friendships.</span> </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>#TranscendExperience #MakeNewFriends #EmbraceTransience #LifeIsTransient #FriendshipJourney #GetLostAndFound #SmallWorldStories #AuthenticLiving #ForgetInternetJudgment #LiveInTheMoment</strong></span></span></p>
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#TranscendExperience #MakeNewFriends #EmbraceTransience #LifeIsTransient #FriendshipJourney #GetLostAndFound #SmallWorldStories #AuthenticLiving #ForgetInternetJudgment #LiveInTheMoment

 
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                    <![CDATA[“The Miraculous Friend – Unveiling Miracles: The Transformative Power of Unexpected Friendships"]]>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="color:#374151;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';">Whether it's a lifelong friend or a stranger with a momentary message, miraculous friends can appear in our lives to offer support, love, or guidance when we least expect it. Openness to these moments and an awareness of the potential for miracles can enrich our lives and connections with others.</span></span> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="color:#374151;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';">#MiraculousFriend #FriendshipMagic #UnexpectedConnections #OpenToMiracles #EverydayMiracles #GratitudeJourney #RandomActsofKindness #UnveilingMiracles #FriendshipEncounters #LifeSurprises</span></span> </span></p>]]>
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#MiraculousFriend #FriendshipMagic #UnexpectedConnections #OpenToMiracles #EverydayMiracles #GratitudeJourney #RandomActsofKindness #UnveilingMiracles #FriendshipEncounters #LifeSurprises ]]>
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#MiraculousFriend #FriendshipMagic #UnexpectedConnections #OpenToMiracles #EverydayMiracles #GratitudeJourney #RandomActsofKindness #UnveilingMiracles #FriendshipEncounters #LifeSurprises ]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The Other Weird Friend - Cultural Diversity's Impact on Society]]>
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                <pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2023 14:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#374151;">Fawn and Matt explore the dichotomy between individualism and collectivism, discussing cultural influences, and how media shapes our thoughts. They touch on examples like rice farmers vs. wheat farmers, geographic mindsets, and the importance of understanding diverse perspectives in friendships. The conversation reflects on personal biases and the need for open-mindedness in navigating societal divisions.</span> </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#374151;">#IndividualismVsCollectivism #CulturalInfluences #MediaBias #PerspectiveShift #OpenMindedness #SocietalDivisions #MindsetMatters #DiversePerspectives #PodcastDiscussion #SocialThoughts #BiasAwareness</span> </span></span></p>
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#IndividualismVsCollectivism #CulturalInfluences #MediaBias #PerspectiveShift #OpenMindedness #SocietalDivisions #MindsetMatters #DiversePerspectives #PodcastDiscussion #SocialThoughts #BiasAwareness 
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<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#374151;">#IndividualismVsCollectivism #CulturalInfluences #MediaBias #PerspectiveShift #OpenMindedness #SocietalDivisions #MindsetMatters #DiversePerspectives #PodcastDiscussion #SocialThoughts #BiasAwareness</span> </span></span></p>
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#IndividualismVsCollectivism #CulturalInfluences #MediaBias #PerspectiveShift #OpenMindedness #SocietalDivisions #MindsetMatters #DiversePerspectives #PodcastDiscussion #SocialThoughts #BiasAwareness 
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                    <![CDATA[Slow vs Fast Communication]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2023 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;">Fast vs Slow - The art of friendship involves understanding and working with various rhythms. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">This week, Fawn and Matt are unraveling the intricate art of relationships, and the kaleidoscope-like complexity of humanity. </span>Their conversation touches on the intricacies of processing information, the dynamics of communication in friendships, the balance between individuality and collective success, and the ever-evolving nature of human relationships.</p>]]>
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This week, Fawn and Matt are unraveling the intricate art of relationships, and the kaleidoscope-like complexity of humanity. Their conversation touches on the intricacies of processing information, the dynamics of communication in friendships, the balance between individuality and collective success, and the ever-evolving nature of human relationships.]]>
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<p><span style="font-size:small;">This week, Fawn and Matt are unraveling the intricate art of relationships, and the kaleidoscope-like complexity of humanity. </span>Their conversation touches on the intricacies of processing information, the dynamics of communication in friendships, the balance between individuality and collective success, and the ever-evolving nature of human relationships.</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Navigating Awkward Conversations - Unveiling the Pitfalls of Clichés and Finding True Dialogue]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2023 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#374151;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;">In this week's podcast episode, Fawn and Matt delve into the pitfalls of relying on clichéd responses in conversations. Fawn shares a personal experience at a museum that left her feeling regretful. The hosts explore the notion of missed opportunities for meaningful dialogue when social norms and clichés take precedence over authentic communication. They discuss the importance of moving past initial awkward moments to maintain a genuine connection and understanding. The episode serves as a reflection on the art of friendship and the impact of sincere conversations.</span></span></span> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">#SafetyNetConversations, </span>#FriendshipHarm, #MeaningfulDialogues, #PureConnections, #Misunderstandings, #BreakALegMoments, #AuthenticConversations, #ArtOfFriendship, #GraciousNature, #ThankYouForYourService, #OpportunitiesForDialogue, #ClichedResponses, #InsecurityIssues, #SocialAwkwardness, #PureFriendship</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this week's podcast episode, Fawn and Matt delve into the pitfalls of relying on clichéd responses in conversations. Fawn shares a personal experience at a museum that left her feeling regretful. The hosts explore the notion of missed opportunities for meaningful dialogue when social norms and clichés take precedence over authentic communication. They discuss the importance of moving past initial awkward moments to maintain a genuine connection and understanding. The episode serves as a reflection on the art of friendship and the impact of sincere conversations. 
#SafetyNetConversations, #FriendshipHarm, #MeaningfulDialogues, #PureConnections, #Misunderstandings, #BreakALegMoments, #AuthenticConversations, #ArtOfFriendship, #GraciousNature, #ThankYouForYourService, #OpportunitiesForDialogue, #ClichedResponses, #InsecurityIssues, #SocialAwkwardness, #PureFriendship]]>
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<p><span style="font-size:small;">#SafetyNetConversations, </span>#FriendshipHarm, #MeaningfulDialogues, #PureConnections, #Misunderstandings, #BreakALegMoments, #AuthenticConversations, #ArtOfFriendship, #GraciousNature, #ThankYouForYourService, #OpportunitiesForDialogue, #ClichedResponses, #InsecurityIssues, #SocialAwkwardness, #PureFriendship</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this week's podcast episode, Fawn and Matt delve into the pitfalls of relying on clichéd responses in conversations. Fawn shares a personal experience at a museum that left her feeling regretful. The hosts explore the notion of missed opportunities for meaningful dialogue when social norms and clichés take precedence over authentic communication. They discuss the importance of moving past initial awkward moments to maintain a genuine connection and understanding. The episode serves as a reflection on the art of friendship and the impact of sincere conversations. 
#SafetyNetConversations, #FriendshipHarm, #MeaningfulDialogues, #PureConnections, #Misunderstandings, #BreakALegMoments, #AuthenticConversations, #ArtOfFriendship, #GraciousNature, #ThankYouForYourService, #OpportunitiesForDialogue, #ClichedResponses, #InsecurityIssues, #SocialAwkwardness, #PureFriendship]]>
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                    <![CDATA["Fright Bonds: Exploring the Fascination with Horror Movies and Human Connections"]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2023 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#374151;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;">In this podcast episode, Fawn, Matt, and their kids discuss the allure of horror movies. Fawn expresses her lack of interest in horror due to the world's existing stress and prefers romantic comedies. The conversation delves into why people, especially the younger generation, find enjoyment in horror. They debate if horror serves as a distraction or a reflection of inner emotions, discussing the psychology behind the attraction to frightening films. The hosts explore how horror movies create shared experiences, fostering camaraderie and stimulating discussions about decision-making within these films. They draw parallels between classic literature and fairy tales, often cautionary in nature, and analyze the societal impact of these narratives. Ultimately, they contemplate whether horror movies, despite their unsettling nature, foster connections and discussions among viewers, similar to other shared experiences in life.</span></span></span></span></p>
<p><strong>#HorrorDiscussion, #SharedExperiences, #HorrorBonding, #CamaraderieThroughFear, #HorrorAndFriendship, #HorrorMovieLovers, #PsychologicalHorror, #FrightPerspective, #HorrorCommunity, #HorrorTherapy, #HorrorClassics, #HorrorFandom, #HorrorDebate, #HorrorGenre, #FearAndFun, #HorrorAndSociety, #HorrorExperience, #MovieTalk, </strong><strong>#AdrenalineRush</strong></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;">Join us in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our </span></span></span><span style="color:#374151;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;">website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have</span></span></span><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> </span></span></span><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;">a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span></span></span><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="color:#374151;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</span></span></span></a> </span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this podcast episode, Fawn, Matt, and their kids discuss the allure of horror movies. Fawn expresses her lack of interest in horror due to the world's existing stress and prefers romantic comedies. The conversation delves into why people, especially the younger generation, find enjoyment in horror. They debate if horror serves as a distraction or a reflection of inner emotions, discussing the psychology behind the attraction to frightening films. The hosts explore how horror movies create shared experiences, fostering camaraderie and stimulating discussions about decision-making within these films. They draw parallels between classic literature and fairy tales, often cautionary in nature, and analyze the societal impact of these narratives. Ultimately, they contemplate whether horror movies, despite their unsettling nature, foster connections and discussions among viewers, similar to other shared experiences in life.
#HorrorDiscussion, #SharedExperiences, #HorrorBonding, #CamaraderieThroughFear, #HorrorAndFriendship, #HorrorMovieLovers, #PsychologicalHorror, #FrightPerspective, #HorrorCommunity, #HorrorTherapy, #HorrorClassics, #HorrorFandom, #HorrorDebate, #HorrorGenre, #FearAndFun, #HorrorAndSociety, #HorrorExperience, #MovieTalk, #AdrenalineRush
Join us in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace ]]>
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                    <![CDATA["Fright Bonds: Exploring the Fascination with Horror Movies and Human Connections"]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#374151;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;">In this podcast episode, Fawn, Matt, and their kids discuss the allure of horror movies. Fawn expresses her lack of interest in horror due to the world's existing stress and prefers romantic comedies. The conversation delves into why people, especially the younger generation, find enjoyment in horror. They debate if horror serves as a distraction or a reflection of inner emotions, discussing the psychology behind the attraction to frightening films. The hosts explore how horror movies create shared experiences, fostering camaraderie and stimulating discussions about decision-making within these films. They draw parallels between classic literature and fairy tales, often cautionary in nature, and analyze the societal impact of these narratives. Ultimately, they contemplate whether horror movies, despite their unsettling nature, foster connections and discussions among viewers, similar to other shared experiences in life.</span></span></span></span></p>
<p><strong>#HorrorDiscussion, #SharedExperiences, #HorrorBonding, #CamaraderieThroughFear, #HorrorAndFriendship, #HorrorMovieLovers, #PsychologicalHorror, #FrightPerspective, #HorrorCommunity, #HorrorTherapy, #HorrorClassics, #HorrorFandom, #HorrorDebate, #HorrorGenre, #FearAndFun, #HorrorAndSociety, #HorrorExperience, #MovieTalk, </strong><strong>#AdrenalineRush</strong></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;">Join us in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our </span></span></span><span style="color:#374151;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;">website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have</span></span></span><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> </span></span></span><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;">a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span></span></span><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="color:#374151;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</span></span></span></a> </span></p>]]>
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#HorrorDiscussion, #SharedExperiences, #HorrorBonding, #CamaraderieThroughFear, #HorrorAndFriendship, #HorrorMovieLovers, #PsychologicalHorror, #FrightPerspective, #HorrorCommunity, #HorrorTherapy, #HorrorClassics, #HorrorFandom, #HorrorDebate, #HorrorGenre, #FearAndFun, #HorrorAndSociety, #HorrorExperience, #MovieTalk, #AdrenalineRush
Join us in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace ]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Niceness vs Kindness]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2023 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/niceness-vs-kindness</link>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>This week, we explore the difference between being nice and being kind and why there seems to be a disparity. In relation, Fawn points out and explains her theory of what she calls “The Introductory Phase” within our relationships and how this is the reason for the divide and the lack of connection our society is experiencing.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">Join us in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our </span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have</span><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"> </span></span><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span></span><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</span></a> </span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This week, we explore the difference between being nice and being kind and why there seems to be a disparity. In relation, Fawn points out and explains her theory of what she calls “The Introductory Phase” within our relationships and how this is the reason for the divide and the lack of connection our society is experiencing.
Join us in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace ]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Niceness vs Kindness]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>This week, we explore the difference between being nice and being kind and why there seems to be a disparity. In relation, Fawn points out and explains her theory of what she calls “The Introductory Phase” within our relationships and how this is the reason for the divide and the lack of connection our society is experiencing.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">Join us in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our </span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have</span><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"> </span></span><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span></span><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</span></a> </span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This week, we explore the difference between being nice and being kind and why there seems to be a disparity. In relation, Fawn points out and explains her theory of what she calls “The Introductory Phase” within our relationships and how this is the reason for the divide and the lack of connection our society is experiencing.
Join us in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace ]]>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:38:39</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                <title>
                    <![CDATA[Friendship and Emotional Support, Lessons Learned from Prejudice]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2023 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/friendship-and-emotional-support-lessons-learned-from-prejudice</link>
                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#0f0f0f;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;">This podcast episode delves into personal experiences with prejudice and discrimination, discussing the emotional impact and strategies for coping. Fawn recounts encountering prejudice in a new group, reflecting on the pain, shame, and feelings of being disregarded or unseen due to racism. The episode outlines steps to address such emotions, emphasizing acknowledging pain, accepting grief, seeking support, and nurturing oneself physically and emotionally. Fawn shares a transformative shift in perspective by communicating her desires to the universe, leading to a change in how she perceives the situation, ultimately aiming for a harmonious experience.</span></span></span> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#0f0f0f;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our <a href="http://websitehttps" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have</a> a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at <a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</a></span></span></span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This podcast episode delves into personal experiences with prejudice and discrimination, discussing the emotional impact and strategies for coping. Fawn recounts encountering prejudice in a new group, reflecting on the pain, shame, and feelings of being disregarded or unseen due to racism. The episode outlines steps to address such emotions, emphasizing acknowledging pain, accepting grief, seeking support, and nurturing oneself physically and emotionally. Fawn shares a transformative shift in perspective by communicating her desires to the universe, leading to a change in how she perceives the situation, ultimately aiming for a harmonious experience. 
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace]]>
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                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[Friendship and Emotional Support, Lessons Learned from Prejudice]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#0f0f0f;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;">This podcast episode delves into personal experiences with prejudice and discrimination, discussing the emotional impact and strategies for coping. Fawn recounts encountering prejudice in a new group, reflecting on the pain, shame, and feelings of being disregarded or unseen due to racism. The episode outlines steps to address such emotions, emphasizing acknowledging pain, accepting grief, seeking support, and nurturing oneself physically and emotionally. Fawn shares a transformative shift in perspective by communicating her desires to the universe, leading to a change in how she perceives the situation, ultimately aiming for a harmonious experience.</span></span></span> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#0f0f0f;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our <a href="http://websitehttps" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have</a> a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at <a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</a></span></span></span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This podcast episode delves into personal experiences with prejudice and discrimination, discussing the emotional impact and strategies for coping. Fawn recounts encountering prejudice in a new group, reflecting on the pain, shame, and feelings of being disregarded or unseen due to racism. The episode outlines steps to address such emotions, emphasizing acknowledging pain, accepting grief, seeking support, and nurturing oneself physically and emotionally. Fawn shares a transformative shift in perspective by communicating her desires to the universe, leading to a change in how she perceives the situation, ultimately aiming for a harmonious experience. 
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace]]>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:16:04</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Very Superstitious]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2023 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/very-superstitious</link>
                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><span style="color:#0f0f0f;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;">In this episode of “Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt,” hosts Fawn and Matt explore the concept of superstitions and how they can be traced back to ancient practices for protection. They dive into the whimsical world of superstitions and friendships. Fawn and Matt reflect on childhood beliefs, from knocking on wood to saying "bless you," intertwining these practices with the essence of friendship. As chaos swirls around, they unravel how friendships often evolve from shared anxieties and grow into something deeper, emphasizing the need to uplift each other and embrace the quirks that make friendships beautiful. In a conversation peppered with laughter and insights, they encourage listeners to lead with joy and be unapologetically themselves, being “down to clown” as they navigate life's adventures together.</span></span></span> </strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#0f0f0f;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;">#Superstitions, #Friendship, #Chaos, #Anxiety, #Quirks, #Upliftment, #Joy, #Podcast, #ChildhoodBeliefs, #Laughter, #Insights, #Adventure, #Embrace, #Reflection, #Whimsical, #SharedExperiences, #OurFriendlyWorld, #Authenticity</span></span></span> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our </span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have</span><strong><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"> </span></span></strong><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span></span><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</span></a> </span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this episode of “Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt,” hosts Fawn and Matt explore the concept of superstitions and how they can be traced back to ancient practices for protection. They dive into the whimsical world of superstitions and friendships. Fawn and Matt reflect on childhood beliefs, from knocking on wood to saying "bless you," intertwining these practices with the essence of friendship. As chaos swirls around, they unravel how friendships often evolve from shared anxieties and grow into something deeper, emphasizing the need to uplift each other and embrace the quirks that make friendships beautiful. In a conversation peppered with laughter and insights, they encourage listeners to lead with joy and be unapologetically themselves, being “down to clown” as they navigate life's adventures together. 
#Superstitions, #Friendship, #Chaos, #Anxiety, #Quirks, #Upliftment, #Joy, #Podcast, #ChildhoodBeliefs, #Laughter, #Insights, #Adventure, #Embrace, #Reflection, #Whimsical, #SharedExperiences, #OurFriendlyWorld, #Authenticity 
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace ]]>
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                                    <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[Very Superstitious]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><span style="color:#0f0f0f;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;">In this episode of “Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt,” hosts Fawn and Matt explore the concept of superstitions and how they can be traced back to ancient practices for protection. They dive into the whimsical world of superstitions and friendships. Fawn and Matt reflect on childhood beliefs, from knocking on wood to saying "bless you," intertwining these practices with the essence of friendship. As chaos swirls around, they unravel how friendships often evolve from shared anxieties and grow into something deeper, emphasizing the need to uplift each other and embrace the quirks that make friendships beautiful. In a conversation peppered with laughter and insights, they encourage listeners to lead with joy and be unapologetically themselves, being “down to clown” as they navigate life's adventures together.</span></span></span> </strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#0f0f0f;"><span style="font-family:'S hne', 'ui-sans-serif', 'system-ui', 'apple-system', 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji';"><span style="font-size:medium;">#Superstitions, #Friendship, #Chaos, #Anxiety, #Quirks, #Upliftment, #Joy, #Podcast, #ChildhoodBeliefs, #Laughter, #Insights, #Adventure, #Embrace, #Reflection, #Whimsical, #SharedExperiences, #OurFriendlyWorld, #Authenticity</span></span></span> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our </span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have</span><strong><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"> </span></span></strong><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span></span><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</span></a> </span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In this episode of “Our Friendly World with Fawn and Matt,” hosts Fawn and Matt explore the concept of superstitions and how they can be traced back to ancient practices for protection. They dive into the whimsical world of superstitions and friendships. Fawn and Matt reflect on childhood beliefs, from knocking on wood to saying "bless you," intertwining these practices with the essence of friendship. As chaos swirls around, they unravel how friendships often evolve from shared anxieties and grow into something deeper, emphasizing the need to uplift each other and embrace the quirks that make friendships beautiful. In a conversation peppered with laughter and insights, they encourage listeners to lead with joy and be unapologetically themselves, being “down to clown” as they navigate life's adventures together. 
#Superstitions, #Friendship, #Chaos, #Anxiety, #Quirks, #Upliftment, #Joy, #Podcast, #ChildhoodBeliefs, #Laughter, #Insights, #Adventure, #Embrace, #Reflection, #Whimsical, #SharedExperiences, #OurFriendlyWorld, #Authenticity 
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace ]]>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:25:18</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Urban Mobility Behavior - How the Way We Move Affects Our Friendships]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2023 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/urban-mobility-behavior-how-the-way-we-move-affects-our-friendships</link>
                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p>Fawn and Matt discuss an article titled "Orientation Towards the Common Good in Cities: The Role of Individual Urban Mobility Behavior." They touch on the idea that cyclists, due to their vulnerability on the road, may have a stronger emotional bond to their neighborhoods and exhibit less individualistic behavior compared to drivers. They explore the impact of urban mobility on social interactions, highlighting how the pace of modern life, particularly in cities like Los Angeles, may contribute to a lack of community connection and increased individualism. The conversation also delves into the broader theme of slowing down, finding balance, and the potential benefits of reducing the reliance on cars for a happier and friendlier society.</p>
<p>#NeedForSpeed, #UrbanMobilityBehavior, #ArtOfFriendship, #Community, #friendshipChangesTheWorld, #SlowDown!</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn and Matt discuss an article titled "Orientation Towards the Common Good in Cities: The Role of Individual Urban Mobility Behavior." They touch on the idea that cyclists, due to their vulnerability on the road, may have a stronger emotional bond to their neighborhoods and exhibit less individualistic behavior compared to drivers. They explore the impact of urban mobility on social interactions, highlighting how the pace of modern life, particularly in cities like Los Angeles, may contribute to a lack of community connection and increased individualism. The conversation also delves into the broader theme of slowing down, finding balance, and the potential benefits of reducing the reliance on cars for a happier and friendlier society.
#NeedForSpeed, #UrbanMobilityBehavior, #ArtOfFriendship, #Community, #friendshipChangesTheWorld, #SlowDown!]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Urban Mobility Behavior - How the Way We Move Affects Our Friendships]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>Fawn and Matt discuss an article titled "Orientation Towards the Common Good in Cities: The Role of Individual Urban Mobility Behavior." They touch on the idea that cyclists, due to their vulnerability on the road, may have a stronger emotional bond to their neighborhoods and exhibit less individualistic behavior compared to drivers. They explore the impact of urban mobility on social interactions, highlighting how the pace of modern life, particularly in cities like Los Angeles, may contribute to a lack of community connection and increased individualism. The conversation also delves into the broader theme of slowing down, finding balance, and the potential benefits of reducing the reliance on cars for a happier and friendlier society.</p>
<p>#NeedForSpeed, #UrbanMobilityBehavior, #ArtOfFriendship, #Community, #friendshipChangesTheWorld, #SlowDown!</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn and Matt discuss an article titled "Orientation Towards the Common Good in Cities: The Role of Individual Urban Mobility Behavior." They touch on the idea that cyclists, due to their vulnerability on the road, may have a stronger emotional bond to their neighborhoods and exhibit less individualistic behavior compared to drivers. They explore the impact of urban mobility on social interactions, highlighting how the pace of modern life, particularly in cities like Los Angeles, may contribute to a lack of community connection and increased individualism. The conversation also delves into the broader theme of slowing down, finding balance, and the potential benefits of reducing the reliance on cars for a happier and friendlier society.
#NeedForSpeed, #UrbanMobilityBehavior, #ArtOfFriendship, #Community, #friendshipChangesTheWorld, #SlowDown!]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Quantum Entanglement and the Schumann Resonance]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2023 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                    https://permalink.castos.com/podcast/11391/episode/1586490</guid>
                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/quantum-entanglement-and-the-schumann-resonance</link>
                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;">The universe has this nasty habit of expanding and contracting. And so at some point, the universe, everything that we know, everything that we live in, it'll all be in this giant mass of stuff. Well, what if that's a heartbeat, or a breath, or a, of something else?</span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">In this episode, we define Quantum Entanglement and talk about the Schumann Resonance and how it all relates to what we're all going through on the planet right now.</span></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">#SantaMonica, #QuantumEntanglement, #SchumannResonance, #FalseIdols, #artoffriendship</span></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-size:medium;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our </span></span><span style="font-size:medium;">website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have</span><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-size:medium;"> a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span></span><span style="font-size:medium;"><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</a> </span></strong></span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The universe has this nasty habit of expanding and contracting. And so at some point, the universe, everything that we know, everything that we live in, it'll all be in this giant mass of stuff. Well, what if that's a heartbeat, or a breath, or a, of something else?
In this episode, we define Quantum Entanglement and talk about the Schumann Resonance and how it all relates to what we're all going through on the planet right now.
#SantaMonica, #QuantumEntanglement, #SchumannResonance, #FalseIdols, #artoffriendship
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace ]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Quantum Entanglement and the Schumann Resonance]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;">The universe has this nasty habit of expanding and contracting. And so at some point, the universe, everything that we know, everything that we live in, it'll all be in this giant mass of stuff. Well, what if that's a heartbeat, or a breath, or a, of something else?</span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">In this episode, we define Quantum Entanglement and talk about the Schumann Resonance and how it all relates to what we're all going through on the planet right now.</span></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">#SantaMonica, #QuantumEntanglement, #SchumannResonance, #FalseIdols, #artoffriendship</span></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-size:medium;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our </span></span><span style="font-size:medium;">website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have</span><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-size:medium;"> a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span></span><span style="font-size:medium;"><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</a> </span></strong></span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The universe has this nasty habit of expanding and contracting. And so at some point, the universe, everything that we know, everything that we live in, it'll all be in this giant mass of stuff. Well, what if that's a heartbeat, or a breath, or a, of something else?
In this episode, we define Quantum Entanglement and talk about the Schumann Resonance and how it all relates to what we're all going through on the planet right now.
#SantaMonica, #QuantumEntanglement, #SchumannResonance, #FalseIdols, #artoffriendship
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace ]]>
                </itunes:summary>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:37:13</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The Art of Joy – How to Marry Joy with Hard Times]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2023 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                    https://permalink.castos.com/podcast/11391/episode/1576009</guid>
                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/the-art-of-joy-how-to-marry-joy-with-hard-times</link>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Like friends that are totally different from one another, coexisting through their different personalities and creating a healthy relationship with different perspectives, so too can joy and grief be friends in the same way.<br /><br />This week we ask how we marry joy with hard times, what happiness versus joy really is.<br /><br />We may feel there isn't a tie between joy and grief. <br /><br />The definition of JOY is: Rejoice, to rejoice, comes from rejoice, to come together, What does rejoice really mean? To rejoice in something. To come together. You're not separate. So why should we separate joy from the rest of life?<br /><br />We also discuss the pendulum effect, where things should have been balanced all <br />along but because it wasn't, we need, or society then provides, zeitgeist maybe just provides this kind of hard lesson one way and then a swing back and then a swing the other way and a swing back until it eventually lands somewhere in the middle.</strong></span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Like friends that are totally different from one another, coexisting through their different personalities and creating a healthy relationship with different perspectives, so too can joy and grief be friends in the same way.This week we ask how we marry joy with hard times, what happiness versus joy really is.We may feel there isn't a tie between joy and grief. The definition of JOY is: Rejoice, to rejoice, comes from rejoice, to come together, What does rejoice really mean? To rejoice in something. To come together. You're not separate. So why should we separate joy from the rest of life?We also discuss the pendulum effect, where things should have been balanced all along but because it wasn't, we need, or society then provides, zeitgeist maybe just provides this kind of hard lesson one way and then a swing back and then a swing the other way and a swing back until it eventually lands somewhere in the middle.]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The Art of Joy – How to Marry Joy with Hard Times]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Like friends that are totally different from one another, coexisting through their different personalities and creating a healthy relationship with different perspectives, so too can joy and grief be friends in the same way.<br /><br />This week we ask how we marry joy with hard times, what happiness versus joy really is.<br /><br />We may feel there isn't a tie between joy and grief. <br /><br />The definition of JOY is: Rejoice, to rejoice, comes from rejoice, to come together, What does rejoice really mean? To rejoice in something. To come together. You're not separate. So why should we separate joy from the rest of life?<br /><br />We also discuss the pendulum effect, where things should have been balanced all <br />along but because it wasn't, we need, or society then provides, zeitgeist maybe just provides this kind of hard lesson one way and then a swing back and then a swing the other way and a swing back until it eventually lands somewhere in the middle.</strong></span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Like friends that are totally different from one another, coexisting through their different personalities and creating a healthy relationship with different perspectives, so too can joy and grief be friends in the same way.This week we ask how we marry joy with hard times, what happiness versus joy really is.We may feel there isn't a tie between joy and grief. The definition of JOY is: Rejoice, to rejoice, comes from rejoice, to come together, What does rejoice really mean? To rejoice in something. To come together. You're not separate. So why should we separate joy from the rest of life?We also discuss the pendulum effect, where things should have been balanced all along but because it wasn't, we need, or society then provides, zeitgeist maybe just provides this kind of hard lesson one way and then a swing back and then a swing the other way and a swing back until it eventually lands somewhere in the middle.]]>
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                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[We Are a Murmur]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2023 13:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>A murmur is when hundreds or thousands of starlings flock together and create swooping swirling patterns in the sky. We've all seen it, you know, like all of a sudden, you look up because you hear something in the sky. You see just so many of them flying and they're in unison. They're in perfect harmony and synchronicity.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>You can see them flying and roosting together. And each roost has a few thousand to several million birds. They may fly over, a 12-mile area, looking for their home. And then other birds can sometimes join them, like join the ride. Ha ha.<br /><br />And then, when they arrive, it's like, they announce themselves through a murmur, those shapes that they create as they fly together.<br /><br /><br />And when you look at it, they create shapes that we know. Like, I've seen some videos of them, over an ocean, and they're flying in the sky, and they're going from here to there, they're swirling, they separate, they come back together.<br /><br />Like water and then they turn into something that looks like a whale for a second or two seconds sometimes they come together and they look like one massive bird with wings and a beak and everything. It's outrageous It's amazing that the collective works together like that and aren't we the same?<br /><br />We're all a part of that. So what are we doing together? What are we creating?<br />There's a message to learn from the starling and the murmur: while things look dark, hold tight and keep the faith. You have the support of outstanding people who will get you through.</strong></span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[A murmur is when hundreds or thousands of starlings flock together and create swooping swirling patterns in the sky. We've all seen it, you know, like all of a sudden, you look up because you hear something in the sky. You see just so many of them flying and they're in unison. They're in perfect harmony and synchronicity.
You can see them flying and roosting together. And each roost has a few thousand to several million birds. They may fly over, a 12-mile area, looking for their home. And then other birds can sometimes join them, like join the ride. Ha ha.And then, when they arrive, it's like, they announce themselves through a murmur, those shapes that they create as they fly together.And when you look at it, they create shapes that we know. Like, I've seen some videos of them, over an ocean, and they're flying in the sky, and they're going from here to there, they're swirling, they separate, they come back together.Like water and then they turn into something that looks like a whale for a second or two seconds sometimes they come together and they look like one massive bird with wings and a beak and everything. It's outrageous It's amazing that the collective works together like that and aren't we the same?We're all a part of that. So what are we doing together? What are we creating?There's a message to learn from the starling and the murmur: while things look dark, hold tight and keep the faith. You have the support of outstanding people who will get you through.
 ]]>
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                    <![CDATA[We Are a Murmur]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>A murmur is when hundreds or thousands of starlings flock together and create swooping swirling patterns in the sky. We've all seen it, you know, like all of a sudden, you look up because you hear something in the sky. You see just so many of them flying and they're in unison. They're in perfect harmony and synchronicity.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>You can see them flying and roosting together. And each roost has a few thousand to several million birds. They may fly over, a 12-mile area, looking for their home. And then other birds can sometimes join them, like join the ride. Ha ha.<br /><br />And then, when they arrive, it's like, they announce themselves through a murmur, those shapes that they create as they fly together.<br /><br /><br />And when you look at it, they create shapes that we know. Like, I've seen some videos of them, over an ocean, and they're flying in the sky, and they're going from here to there, they're swirling, they separate, they come back together.<br /><br />Like water and then they turn into something that looks like a whale for a second or two seconds sometimes they come together and they look like one massive bird with wings and a beak and everything. It's outrageous It's amazing that the collective works together like that and aren't we the same?<br /><br />We're all a part of that. So what are we doing together? What are we creating?<br />There's a message to learn from the starling and the murmur: while things look dark, hold tight and keep the faith. You have the support of outstanding people who will get you through.</strong></span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[A murmur is when hundreds or thousands of starlings flock together and create swooping swirling patterns in the sky. We've all seen it, you know, like all of a sudden, you look up because you hear something in the sky. You see just so many of them flying and they're in unison. They're in perfect harmony and synchronicity.
You can see them flying and roosting together. And each roost has a few thousand to several million birds. They may fly over, a 12-mile area, looking for their home. And then other birds can sometimes join them, like join the ride. Ha ha.And then, when they arrive, it's like, they announce themselves through a murmur, those shapes that they create as they fly together.And when you look at it, they create shapes that we know. Like, I've seen some videos of them, over an ocean, and they're flying in the sky, and they're going from here to there, they're swirling, they separate, they come back together.Like water and then they turn into something that looks like a whale for a second or two seconds sometimes they come together and they look like one massive bird with wings and a beak and everything. It's outrageous It's amazing that the collective works together like that and aren't we the same?We're all a part of that. So what are we doing together? What are we creating?There's a message to learn from the starling and the murmur: while things look dark, hold tight and keep the faith. You have the support of outstanding people who will get you through.
 ]]>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:20:34</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Mama vs MOMA - The Feeling of ARTRAGE and How Our Presence Creates Ripples in the World]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2023 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                    https://permalink.castos.com/podcast/11391/episode/1570895</guid>
                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/mama-vs-moma-the-feeling-of-artrage-and-how-our-presence-creates-ripples-in-the-world</link>
                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Every person is like a work of art. </strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Fawn has a not-so-friendly trip to a museum and experiences #artrage and goes to a totally different museum and experiences LOVE and INSPIRATION. Whatever we do in life can be a way to help one another, it's about helping one another. It's about human connection. It's about love. It's about supporting one another. It's about community.<br /><br />Bringing it back to the art of friendship, institutions, businesses, people, animals, everything creates a ripple effect and creates a whole new world. Let's look at the people, and the institutions, and see how they contribute to the ripple. #MoMA #EricCarleMuseum #artrage, #rippleeffects, #artodfriendship</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><span style="color:#55595c;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our </span>website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have<span style="color:#55595c;"> </span><span style="color:#55595c;">a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</a> <br /></strong></span></span><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Every person is like a work of art. 
Fawn has a not-so-friendly trip to a museum and experiences #artrage and goes to a totally different museum and experiences LOVE and INSPIRATION. Whatever we do in life can be a way to help one another, it's about helping one another. It's about human connection. It's about love. It's about supporting one another. It's about community.Bringing it back to the art of friendship, institutions, businesses, people, animals, everything creates a ripple effect and creates a whole new world. Let's look at the people, and the institutions, and see how they contribute to the ripple. #MoMA #EricCarleMuseum #artrage, #rippleeffects, #artodfriendship
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace ]]>
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                                    <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[Mama vs MOMA - The Feeling of ARTRAGE and How Our Presence Creates Ripples in the World]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Every person is like a work of art. </strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Fawn has a not-so-friendly trip to a museum and experiences #artrage and goes to a totally different museum and experiences LOVE and INSPIRATION. Whatever we do in life can be a way to help one another, it's about helping one another. It's about human connection. It's about love. It's about supporting one another. It's about community.<br /><br />Bringing it back to the art of friendship, institutions, businesses, people, animals, everything creates a ripple effect and creates a whole new world. Let's look at the people, and the institutions, and see how they contribute to the ripple. #MoMA #EricCarleMuseum #artrage, #rippleeffects, #artodfriendship</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><span style="color:#55595c;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our </span>website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have<span style="color:#55595c;"> </span><span style="color:#55595c;">a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</a> <br /></strong></span></span><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Every person is like a work of art. 
Fawn has a not-so-friendly trip to a museum and experiences #artrage and goes to a totally different museum and experiences LOVE and INSPIRATION. Whatever we do in life can be a way to help one another, it's about helping one another. It's about human connection. It's about love. It's about supporting one another. It's about community.Bringing it back to the art of friendship, institutions, businesses, people, animals, everything creates a ripple effect and creates a whole new world. Let's look at the people, and the institutions, and see how they contribute to the ripple. #MoMA #EricCarleMuseum #artrage, #rippleeffects, #artodfriendship
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace ]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The Art of Hearing with Dr. Cathia Walters]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2023 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Dr. Cathia Walters joins us again to discuss how we hear each other. What happens when individuals or groups of people observe different experiences, and realities, even just hearing things or seeing things? How can we communicate with each other when we all have different perspectives?</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our <a href="http://websitehttps" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have</a> a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at <a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</a></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>#MandelaEffect, #RealityBubbles, #Dr.CathiaWalters, #Communication</strong></span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Dr. Cathia Walters joins us again to discuss how we hear each other. What happens when individuals or groups of people observe different experiences, and realities, even just hearing things or seeing things? How can we communicate with each other when we all have different perspectives?
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace
#MandelaEffect, #RealityBubbles, #Dr.CathiaWalters, #Communication]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The Art of Hearing with Dr. Cathia Walters]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Dr. Cathia Walters joins us again to discuss how we hear each other. What happens when individuals or groups of people observe different experiences, and realities, even just hearing things or seeing things? How can we communicate with each other when we all have different perspectives?</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our <a href="http://websitehttps" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have</a> a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at <a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</a></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>#MandelaEffect, #RealityBubbles, #Dr.CathiaWalters, #Communication</strong></span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Dr. Cathia Walters joins us again to discuss how we hear each other. What happens when individuals or groups of people observe different experiences, and realities, even just hearing things or seeing things? How can we communicate with each other when we all have different perspectives?
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace
#MandelaEffect, #RealityBubbles, #Dr.CathiaWalters, #Communication]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Transitioning from Point A to Point B]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2023 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                    https://permalink.castos.com/podcast/11391/episode/1559413</guid>
                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/transitioning-from-point-a-to-point-b</link>
                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Dealing with change can make us all anxious. During a time of transition, everyone is experiencing a little bit of trepidation, a little bit of wondering what's going to happen. This is the perfect time to remind each other that it's going to be okay. Appreciate this time. Don't fret about anything. Appreciate what's in front of you right now. If there's a problem, know that it's happening for the best, and listen to these ten things that may help.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><br /><br />#Anxious, #anxiousness, #theArtOfFriendship, #transitioningThroughLife</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our </span></span><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;">website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have</span><strong><span style="color:#55595c;"> </span></strong><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;">a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span></span><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</span></a><strong> <br /></strong></span></span><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Dealing with change can make us all anxious. During a time of transition, everyone is experiencing a little bit of trepidation, a little bit of wondering what's going to happen. This is the perfect time to remind each other that it's going to be okay. Appreciate this time. Don't fret about anything. Appreciate what's in front of you right now. If there's a problem, know that it's happening for the best, and listen to these ten things that may help.
#Anxious, #anxiousness, #theArtOfFriendship, #transitioningThroughLife
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace ]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Transitioning from Point A to Point B]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Dealing with change can make us all anxious. During a time of transition, everyone is experiencing a little bit of trepidation, a little bit of wondering what's going to happen. This is the perfect time to remind each other that it's going to be okay. Appreciate this time. Don't fret about anything. Appreciate what's in front of you right now. If there's a problem, know that it's happening for the best, and listen to these ten things that may help.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><br /><br />#Anxious, #anxiousness, #theArtOfFriendship, #transitioningThroughLife</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our </span></span><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;">website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have</span><strong><span style="color:#55595c;"> </span></strong><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;">a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span></span><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</span></a><strong> <br /></strong></span></span><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Dealing with change can make us all anxious. During a time of transition, everyone is experiencing a little bit of trepidation, a little bit of wondering what's going to happen. This is the perfect time to remind each other that it's going to be okay. Appreciate this time. Don't fret about anything. Appreciate what's in front of you right now. If there's a problem, know that it's happening for the best, and listen to these ten things that may help.
#Anxious, #anxiousness, #theArtOfFriendship, #transitioningThroughLife
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace ]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The Art of Integrity]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2023 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/the-art-of-integrity</link>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">When we think of integrity, we think of the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles, blah, blah, blah. But it also tends to go towards the division; “I have integrity. You don't, I believe in such and such, and you don't. Therefore you don't have integrity.”<br /><br />This week we look at the deeper meaning of<em> integrity</em> and how the art of friendship plays a role in shaping our society. The other meaning, the etymology of <em>integrity</em> is a state of being whole, undivided, a state of being whole and undivided, the condition of being unified, unimpaired. The <br />The adjective form of integrity is integer, integral, complete, perfect, intact, untouched.<br /><br />We ask who benefits from a divided community and who benefits from this kind of thing. Let's look at how we can be whole and undivided as people.</span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><span style="color:#000000;">Thoughts? Click the microphone icon on <a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a> and leave us a</span></strong> <strong><span style="color:#000000;">kind voice message.</span></strong> <strong><span style="color:#000000;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span></strong><strong><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</a></strong> <strong><br /></strong></span></span><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[When we think of integrity, we think of the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles, blah, blah, blah. But it also tends to go towards the division; “I have integrity. You don't, I believe in such and such, and you don't. Therefore you don't have integrity.”This week we look at the deeper meaning of integrity and how the art of friendship plays a role in shaping our society. The other meaning, the etymology of integrity is a state of being whole, undivided, a state of being whole and undivided, the condition of being unified, unimpaired. The The adjective form of integrity is integer, integral, complete, perfect, intact, untouched.We ask who benefits from a divided community and who benefits from this kind of thing. Let's look at how we can be whole and undivided as people.
Thoughts? Click the microphone icon on https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/ and leave us a kind voice message. Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace ]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The Art of Integrity]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">When we think of integrity, we think of the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles, blah, blah, blah. But it also tends to go towards the division; “I have integrity. You don't, I believe in such and such, and you don't. Therefore you don't have integrity.”<br /><br />This week we look at the deeper meaning of<em> integrity</em> and how the art of friendship plays a role in shaping our society. The other meaning, the etymology of <em>integrity</em> is a state of being whole, undivided, a state of being whole and undivided, the condition of being unified, unimpaired. The <br />The adjective form of integrity is integer, integral, complete, perfect, intact, untouched.<br /><br />We ask who benefits from a divided community and who benefits from this kind of thing. Let's look at how we can be whole and undivided as people.</span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><span style="color:#000000;">Thoughts? Click the microphone icon on <a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a> and leave us a</span></strong> <strong><span style="color:#000000;">kind voice message.</span></strong> <strong><span style="color:#000000;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span></strong><strong><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</a></strong> <strong><br /></strong></span></span><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[When we think of integrity, we think of the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles, blah, blah, blah. But it also tends to go towards the division; “I have integrity. You don't, I believe in such and such, and you don't. Therefore you don't have integrity.”This week we look at the deeper meaning of integrity and how the art of friendship plays a role in shaping our society. The other meaning, the etymology of integrity is a state of being whole, undivided, a state of being whole and undivided, the condition of being unified, unimpaired. The The adjective form of integrity is integer, integral, complete, perfect, intact, untouched.We ask who benefits from a divided community and who benefits from this kind of thing. Let's look at how we can be whole and undivided as people.
Thoughts? Click the microphone icon on https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/ and leave us a kind voice message. Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace ]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The Art of Stillness]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2023 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                    https://permalink.castos.com/podcast/11391/episode/1548664</guid>
                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/the-art-of-stillness</link>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Within you, there is a stillness and sanctuary to which you can retreat at any time and be yourself. - Herman Hess <br /><br />Even in stillness, there is movement. Sometimes it takes time for the molecules of change to shift form. Even when it feels like nothing is happening, transformation is taking place. -Anonymous <br /><br />To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders. - LAO TZU <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> There is an art of being still that totally lets the person know you are here with them, you are present, you're loving them, you're embracing them without physically touching them. There's an art to that, and it's quite simple. You just have to be still hold your own and look at the person and see them and listen to them, and I think people are so afraid of what happens to the in-between that they'll just keep running; running their mouths or running away one thing after another.<br /><br /> It runs the gamut. And there are points in time where it's good to be still and there are points in time where it isn't. And that's just it. We can literally pick and choose those moments and we should pick and choose those moments and to take us all the way back to being still as being a good thing. Not only does it help rechannel our energy and give us more connectedness to ourselves, but it also allows us to better connect to others.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="center"><br /><br /></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have</span></span></span></strong><strong><span style="color:#000000;"> </span></strong><strong><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;">a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at <a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</a></span></span></span></strong> </span></p>
<h3 class="western">#ZenKoan, <span style="font-size:small;">#Thomas Merton, #MountBaldyZenCenterSouthernCalifornia, </span></h3>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Within you, there is a stillness and sanctuary to which you can retreat at any time and be yourself. - Herman Hess Even in stillness, there is movement. Sometimes it takes time for the molecules of change to shift form. Even when it feels like nothing is happening, transformation is taking place. -Anonymous To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders. - LAO TZU  There is an art of being still that totally lets the person know you are here with them, you are present, you're loving them, you're embracing them without physically touching them. There's an art to that, and it's quite simple. You just have to be still hold your own and look at the person and see them and listen to them, and I think people are so afraid of what happens to the in-between that they'll just keep running; running their mouths or running away one thing after another. It runs the gamut. And there are points in time where it's good to be still and there are points in time where it isn't. And that's just it. We can literally pick and choose those moments and we should pick and choose those moments and to take us all the way back to being still as being a good thing. Not only does it help rechannel our energy and give us more connectedness to ourselves, but it also allows us to better connect to others.

Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace 
#ZenKoan, #Thomas Merton, #MountBaldyZenCenterSouthernCalifornia, ]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Within you, there is a stillness and sanctuary to which you can retreat at any time and be yourself. - Herman Hess <br /><br />Even in stillness, there is movement. Sometimes it takes time for the molecules of change to shift form. Even when it feels like nothing is happening, transformation is taking place. -Anonymous <br /><br />To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders. - LAO TZU <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> There is an art of being still that totally lets the person know you are here with them, you are present, you're loving them, you're embracing them without physically touching them. There's an art to that, and it's quite simple. You just have to be still hold your own and look at the person and see them and listen to them, and I think people are so afraid of what happens to the in-between that they'll just keep running; running their mouths or running away one thing after another.<br /><br /> It runs the gamut. And there are points in time where it's good to be still and there are points in time where it isn't. And that's just it. We can literally pick and choose those moments and we should pick and choose those moments and to take us all the way back to being still as being a good thing. Not only does it help rechannel our energy and give us more connectedness to ourselves, but it also allows us to better connect to others.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="center"><br /><br /></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have</span></span></span></strong><strong><span style="color:#000000;"> </span></strong><strong><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;">a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at <a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</a></span></span></span></strong> </span></p>
<h3 class="western">#ZenKoan, <span style="font-size:small;">#Thomas Merton, #MountBaldyZenCenterSouthernCalifornia, </span></h3>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Within you, there is a stillness and sanctuary to which you can retreat at any time and be yourself. - Herman Hess Even in stillness, there is movement. Sometimes it takes time for the molecules of change to shift form. Even when it feels like nothing is happening, transformation is taking place. -Anonymous To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders. - LAO TZU  There is an art of being still that totally lets the person know you are here with them, you are present, you're loving them, you're embracing them without physically touching them. There's an art to that, and it's quite simple. You just have to be still hold your own and look at the person and see them and listen to them, and I think people are so afraid of what happens to the in-between that they'll just keep running; running their mouths or running away one thing after another. It runs the gamut. And there are points in time where it's good to be still and there are points in time where it isn't. And that's just it. We can literally pick and choose those moments and we should pick and choose those moments and to take us all the way back to being still as being a good thing. Not only does it help rechannel our energy and give us more connectedness to ourselves, but it also allows us to better connect to others.

Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace 
#ZenKoan, #Thomas Merton, #MountBaldyZenCenterSouthernCalifornia, ]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Wasted Time - How Do We Enjoy Our Time Together?]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2023 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;">You are the 100% owner of your life ie: your time. This is your time. Spend it, invest it, bend it, enjoy it how you wish, with whom you wish.<br /><br /> I'm purposely using the word invest because people are so freaked out about wasting time and I think that it's wrong. I think we should through caution to the wind and waste some time. Let's be so stupid rich with time that we can waste some time. And what does it mean to waste time?<br /><br />This week we discuss the guilt that we feel when we're not being “PRODUCTIVE”. What does productive really mean, and who made up the definition of what “productive” is in life? <br /><br /><br /><br />You can go anywhere you choose, you can reroute your whole life. Think about your time. It's your life and as long as you are breathing, you have the currency.<br /><br />How generous are we with our lives? Being fully present is a big deal. Devoting ourselves, i e, our time to one another, our attention, being in a state of stillness can create a moment where you feel more powerful. And in that moment, time expands for you. Let's harness that and let's live richly.</span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:medium;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have</span></span><span style="color:#000000;"> </span><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:medium;">a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at <a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</a></span></span> <br /><br />#ContextShifting #WastingTime #BeingProductive #LiveRichly</strong></span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[You are the 100% owner of your life ie: your time. This is your time. Spend it, invest it, bend it, enjoy it how you wish, with whom you wish. I'm purposely using the word invest because people are so freaked out about wasting time and I think that it's wrong. I think we should through caution to the wind and waste some time. Let's be so stupid rich with time that we can waste some time. And what does it mean to waste time?This week we discuss the guilt that we feel when we're not being “PRODUCTIVE”. What does productive really mean, and who made up the definition of what “productive” is in life? You can go anywhere you choose, you can reroute your whole life. Think about your time. It's your life and as long as you are breathing, you have the currency.How generous are we with our lives? Being fully present is a big deal. Devoting ourselves, i e, our time to one another, our attention, being in a state of stillness can create a moment where you feel more powerful. And in that moment, time expands for you. Let's harness that and let's live richly.
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace #ContextShifting #WastingTime #BeingProductive #LiveRichly]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Wasted Time - How Do We Enjoy Our Time Together?]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;">You are the 100% owner of your life ie: your time. This is your time. Spend it, invest it, bend it, enjoy it how you wish, with whom you wish.<br /><br /> I'm purposely using the word invest because people are so freaked out about wasting time and I think that it's wrong. I think we should through caution to the wind and waste some time. Let's be so stupid rich with time that we can waste some time. And what does it mean to waste time?<br /><br />This week we discuss the guilt that we feel when we're not being “PRODUCTIVE”. What does productive really mean, and who made up the definition of what “productive” is in life? <br /><br /><br /><br />You can go anywhere you choose, you can reroute your whole life. Think about your time. It's your life and as long as you are breathing, you have the currency.<br /><br />How generous are we with our lives? Being fully present is a big deal. Devoting ourselves, i e, our time to one another, our attention, being in a state of stillness can create a moment where you feel more powerful. And in that moment, time expands for you. Let's harness that and let's live richly.</span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:medium;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have</span></span><span style="color:#000000;"> </span><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:medium;">a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at <a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</a></span></span> <br /><br />#ContextShifting #WastingTime #BeingProductive #LiveRichly</strong></span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[You are the 100% owner of your life ie: your time. This is your time. Spend it, invest it, bend it, enjoy it how you wish, with whom you wish. I'm purposely using the word invest because people are so freaked out about wasting time and I think that it's wrong. I think we should through caution to the wind and waste some time. Let's be so stupid rich with time that we can waste some time. And what does it mean to waste time?This week we discuss the guilt that we feel when we're not being “PRODUCTIVE”. What does productive really mean, and who made up the definition of what “productive” is in life? You can go anywhere you choose, you can reroute your whole life. Think about your time. It's your life and as long as you are breathing, you have the currency.How generous are we with our lives? Being fully present is a big deal. Devoting ourselves, i e, our time to one another, our attention, being in a state of stillness can create a moment where you feel more powerful. And in that moment, time expands for you. Let's harness that and let's live richly.
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace #ContextShifting #WastingTime #BeingProductive #LiveRichly]]>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:25:29</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <item>
                <title>
                    <![CDATA[Living Your True Life: 5 Ways to Embrace Happiness and Fulfillment]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2023 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                    https://permalink.castos.com/podcast/11391/episode/1548644</guid>
                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/living-your-true-life-5-ways-to-embrace-happiness-and-fulfillment</link>
                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="color:#374151;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">Let's shift towards authenticity, meaningful connections, self-expression, and finding joy in both personal and professional aspects of life!</span></span></span></p>
<p><strong><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span></span></span></strong><strong><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</a></strong></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Let's shift towards authenticity, meaningful connections, self-expression, and finding joy in both personal and professional aspects of life!
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace]]>
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                                    <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[Living Your True Life: 5 Ways to Embrace Happiness and Fulfillment]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="color:#374151;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">Let's shift towards authenticity, meaningful connections, self-expression, and finding joy in both personal and professional aspects of life!</span></span></span></p>
<p><strong><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span></span></span></strong><strong><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</a></strong></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Let's shift towards authenticity, meaningful connections, self-expression, and finding joy in both personal and professional aspects of life!
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace]]>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:18:49</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <item>
                <title>
                    <![CDATA["Unlocking Your Potential: How to Improve Your Luck and Manifest Success"]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2023 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                    https://permalink.castos.com/podcast/11391/episode/1543587</guid>
                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/unlocking-your-potential-how-to-improve-your-luck-and-manifest-success</link>
                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Did you know that people who consider themselves lucky are more likely to be extroverted? </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>As we look to emphasize personal growth and empowerment while also touching on themes of luck and manifestation, we explore how we can look at luck in our lives and explore ways to attract positive outcomes.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>How can we unlock good fortune? How can a positive or in some cases a neutral mindset and social connections impact luck?</strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong> Fawn and Matt explore h</strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>ow a positive attitude, new connections, and genuine smiles shape success.</strong></span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our </strong></span></span></span><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have</strong></span></span></span><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong> a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </strong></span></span></span><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</strong></span></span></span></a></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Did you know that people who consider themselves lucky are more likely to be extroverted? 
As we look to emphasize personal growth and empowerment while also touching on themes of luck and manifestation, we explore how we can look at luck in our lives and explore ways to attract positive outcomes.
How can we unlock good fortune? How can a positive or in some cases a neutral mindset and social connections impact luck? Fawn and Matt explore how a positive attitude, new connections, and genuine smiles shape success.
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace]]>
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                                    <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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                    <![CDATA["Unlocking Your Potential: How to Improve Your Luck and Manifest Success"]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Did you know that people who consider themselves lucky are more likely to be extroverted? </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>As we look to emphasize personal growth and empowerment while also touching on themes of luck and manifestation, we explore how we can look at luck in our lives and explore ways to attract positive outcomes.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>How can we unlock good fortune? How can a positive or in some cases a neutral mindset and social connections impact luck?</strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong> Fawn and Matt explore h</strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>ow a positive attitude, new connections, and genuine smiles shape success.</strong></span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our </strong></span></span></span><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have</strong></span></span></span><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong> a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </strong></span></span></span><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</strong></span></span></span></a></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Did you know that people who consider themselves lucky are more likely to be extroverted? 
As we look to emphasize personal growth and empowerment while also touching on themes of luck and manifestation, we explore how we can look at luck in our lives and explore ways to attract positive outcomes.
How can we unlock good fortune? How can a positive or in some cases a neutral mindset and social connections impact luck? Fawn and Matt explore how a positive attitude, new connections, and genuine smiles shape success.
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Building a Positive Circle: 5 Kinds of People for a Healthy Friendship & Thriving Community ]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2023 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                    https://permalink.castos.com/podcast/11391/episode/1540396</guid>
                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/building-a-positive-circle-5-kinds-of-people-for-a-healthy-friendship-thriving-community</link>
                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><span style="font-size:small;">As we start thinking about friends, teams, and teammates we should strive for a team/community/friendships that espouse the whole concept of a rising tide lifts all ships. <br />A rising tide lifts all ships. </span><span style="font-size:small;">We look at the kinds of people that we should surround ourselves with and look at 5 kinds of people in particular. </span></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-size:small;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our </span></span><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-size:small;">website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have</span></span><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-size:small;"> a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span></span><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-size:small;">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</span></span></a></span></span></p>]]>
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                <itunes:subtitle>
                    <![CDATA[As we start thinking about friends, teams, and teammates we should strive for a team/community/friendships that espouse the whole concept of a rising tide lifts all ships. A rising tide lifts all ships. We look at the kinds of people that we should surround ourselves with and look at 5 kinds of people in particular. 
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace]]>
                </itunes:subtitle>
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                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[Building a Positive Circle: 5 Kinds of People for a Healthy Friendship & Thriving Community ]]>
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                                                <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><span style="font-size:small;">As we start thinking about friends, teams, and teammates we should strive for a team/community/friendships that espouse the whole concept of a rising tide lifts all ships. <br />A rising tide lifts all ships. </span><span style="font-size:small;">We look at the kinds of people that we should surround ourselves with and look at 5 kinds of people in particular. </span></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-size:small;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our </span></span><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-size:small;">website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have</span></span><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-size:small;"> a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span></span><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-size:small;">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</span></span></a></span></span></p>]]>
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                                <itunes:summary>
                    <![CDATA[As we start thinking about friends, teams, and teammates we should strive for a team/community/friendships that espouse the whole concept of a rising tide lifts all ships. A rising tide lifts all ships. We look at the kinds of people that we should surround ourselves with and look at 5 kinds of people in particular. 
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace]]>
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:23:50</itunes:duration>
                                                    <itunes:author>
                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[ Living For the Soul's Benefit, While Living Large - How Not to Stress Out About Money and Life W/ Barry Lane]]>
                </title>
                <pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2023 01:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                    https://permalink.castos.com/podcast/11391/episode/1536326</guid>
                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/living-for-the-souls-benefit-while-living-large-how-not-to-stress-out-about-money-and-life-w-barry-lane</link>
                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">This is a time when it's extra important to stay optimistic and filled with faith.<br />Enjoy and appreciate the small successes and recognize that they add up to the big ones. So the successes add up to the big ones. The more you stay centered in gratitude, the more positive opportunities will come your way. But most importantly, this is a time when it's extra important to stay optimistic.<br /><br />Barry Lane joins us and teaches us how not to stress out about money and talks about living for the soul's benefit while living large. He tells us about a philosopher called Émile Durkheim, how capitalism atomizes people, how people can be little atoms that can't connect with each other, how they're separated by their own little pursuits for their own private lives and nests they try to build and competing against all the other nests and how this makes people suicidal. All this stems from a lack of community.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">Barry gives us tools to thrive through all of this and teaches us how to create community with two words!</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">https://barrylane.com/</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">#BarryLane, #HowtoNotStressAboutMoney, #ÉmileDurkheim, #community, #theartoffriendship, #theartofcommunity</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#55595c;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our </span>website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have<span style="color:#55595c;"> </span><span style="color:#55595c;">a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</a> </span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This is a time when it's extra important to stay optimistic and filled with faith.Enjoy and appreciate the small successes and recognize that they add up to the big ones. So the successes add up to the big ones. The more you stay centered in gratitude, the more positive opportunities will come your way. But most importantly, this is a time when it's extra important to stay optimistic.Barry Lane joins us and teaches us how not to stress out about money and talks about living for the soul's benefit while living large. He tells us about a philosopher called Émile Durkheim, how capitalism atomizes people, how people can be little atoms that can't connect with each other, how they're separated by their own little pursuits for their own private lives and nests they try to build and competing against all the other nests and how this makes people suicidal. All this stems from a lack of community.
Barry gives us tools to thrive through all of this and teaches us how to create community with two words!
https://barrylane.com/
#BarryLane, #HowtoNotStressAboutMoney, #ÉmileDurkheim, #community, #theartoffriendship, #theartofcommunity
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace ]]>
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                                    <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
                                <itunes:title>
                    <![CDATA[ Living For the Soul's Benefit, While Living Large - How Not to Stress Out About Money and Life W/ Barry Lane]]>
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                                                <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">This is a time when it's extra important to stay optimistic and filled with faith.<br />Enjoy and appreciate the small successes and recognize that they add up to the big ones. So the successes add up to the big ones. The more you stay centered in gratitude, the more positive opportunities will come your way. But most importantly, this is a time when it's extra important to stay optimistic.<br /><br />Barry Lane joins us and teaches us how not to stress out about money and talks about living for the soul's benefit while living large. He tells us about a philosopher called Émile Durkheim, how capitalism atomizes people, how people can be little atoms that can't connect with each other, how they're separated by their own little pursuits for their own private lives and nests they try to build and competing against all the other nests and how this makes people suicidal. All this stems from a lack of community.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">Barry gives us tools to thrive through all of this and teaches us how to create community with two words!</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">https://barrylane.com/</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">#BarryLane, #HowtoNotStressAboutMoney, #ÉmileDurkheim, #community, #theartoffriendship, #theartofcommunity</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#55595c;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our </span>website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have<span style="color:#55595c;"> </span><span style="color:#55595c;">a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</a> </span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This is a time when it's extra important to stay optimistic and filled with faith.Enjoy and appreciate the small successes and recognize that they add up to the big ones. So the successes add up to the big ones. The more you stay centered in gratitude, the more positive opportunities will come your way. But most importantly, this is a time when it's extra important to stay optimistic.Barry Lane joins us and teaches us how not to stress out about money and talks about living for the soul's benefit while living large. He tells us about a philosopher called Émile Durkheim, how capitalism atomizes people, how people can be little atoms that can't connect with each other, how they're separated by their own little pursuits for their own private lives and nests they try to build and competing against all the other nests and how this makes people suicidal. All this stems from a lack of community.
Barry gives us tools to thrive through all of this and teaches us how to create community with two words!
https://barrylane.com/
#BarryLane, #HowtoNotStressAboutMoney, #ÉmileDurkheim, #community, #theartoffriendship, #theartofcommunity
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace ]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Relationships and the 5 Rules of Improv]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2023 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Have you ever found that you thought you were just kind of bebopping through and just doing your own thing, and then all of a sudden you discover that one of the frameworks that you have, even for communication, you're totally stealing from somewhere else?<br /><br />If you really think about it, how is a conversation, not improv? How is hanging out with your friends not dissimilar from an improv show? In this episode, we go through the rules that exist in improv and relate them specifically to having good friendships. We also discuss the seven deadly sins of improv and what not to do inside our friendships.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our </span></span></span><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</span></span><strong><br /></strong><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span></span></span><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</span></span></a> </span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Have you ever found that you thought you were just kind of bebopping through and just doing your own thing, and then all of a sudden you discover that one of the frameworks that you have, even for communication, you're totally stealing from somewhere else?If you really think about it, how is a conversation, not improv? How is hanging out with your friends not dissimilar from an improv show? In this episode, we go through the rules that exist in improv and relate them specifically to having good friendships. We also discuss the seven deadly sins of improv and what not to do inside our friendships.
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace ]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Have you ever found that you thought you were just kind of bebopping through and just doing your own thing, and then all of a sudden you discover that one of the frameworks that you have, even for communication, you're totally stealing from somewhere else?<br /><br />If you really think about it, how is a conversation, not improv? How is hanging out with your friends not dissimilar from an improv show? In this episode, we go through the rules that exist in improv and relate them specifically to having good friendships. We also discuss the seven deadly sins of improv and what not to do inside our friendships.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our </span></span></span><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</span></span><strong><br /></strong><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span></span></span><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</span></span></a> </span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Have you ever found that you thought you were just kind of bebopping through and just doing your own thing, and then all of a sudden you discover that one of the frameworks that you have, even for communication, you're totally stealing from somewhere else?If you really think about it, how is a conversation, not improv? How is hanging out with your friends not dissimilar from an improv show? In this episode, we go through the rules that exist in improv and relate them specifically to having good friendships. We also discuss the seven deadly sins of improv and what not to do inside our friendships.
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace ]]>
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                    <![CDATA["Breaking the Silence: The Art of Friendship and Fearless Storytelling"   ]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2023 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>This episode takes us on the journey of discovering why we don't talk about certain things, why we don't talk, period, why we don't expose what we're going through, and why we don't share what we've been through. How did we reach this point in our culture that there is no village, that there is not a space where we can hold one another and hear each other's stories?</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our </span></span></span><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">website:<a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a></span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">AND...Have</span></span><span style="color:#55595c;"> </span><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span></span></span><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</span></span></a> </span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This episode takes us on the journey of discovering why we don't talk about certain things, why we don't talk, period, why we don't expose what we're going through, and why we don't share what we've been through. How did we reach this point in our culture that there is no village, that there is not a space where we can hold one another and hear each other's stories?
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace ]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>This episode takes us on the journey of discovering why we don't talk about certain things, why we don't talk, period, why we don't expose what we're going through, and why we don't share what we've been through. How did we reach this point in our culture that there is no village, that there is not a space where we can hold one another and hear each other's stories?</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our </span></span></span><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">website:<a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a></span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">AND...Have</span></span><span style="color:#55595c;"> </span><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at </span></span></span><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</span></span></a> </span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This episode takes us on the journey of discovering why we don't talk about certain things, why we don't talk, period, why we don't expose what we're going through, and why we don't share what we've been through. How did we reach this point in our culture that there is no village, that there is not a space where we can hold one another and hear each other's stories?
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace ]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Desiderata - The Things Most Wanted or Needed]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2023 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>The word and the topic of this week's episode are <em>desiderata</em>, a plural noun with a singular form. Desideratum means things wanted or needed.<br /><br />Desiderata is a famous poem written by an American poet, and lawyer Max Ehrmann in 1927.<br />There's such an immediacy to this poem even though it was written back in the 1920s. Even though it was written hundred years ago, it still feels fresh and it is what we all need to hear RIGHT NOW.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-size:medium;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our</span></span><span style="color:#55595c;"> </span></strong><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-size:medium;">website:</span></span><strong><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-size:medium;">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/<br />AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY!</span></span> And if you are able, please donate (what you can) by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace<br /></strong></span></span><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The word and the topic of this week's episode are desiderata, a plural noun with a singular form. Desideratum means things wanted or needed.Desiderata is a famous poem written by an American poet, and lawyer Max Ehrmann in 1927.There's such an immediacy to this poem even though it was written back in the 1920s. Even though it was written hundred years ago, it still feels fresh and it is what we all need to hear RIGHT NOW.
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate (what you can) by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>The word and the topic of this week's episode are <em>desiderata</em>, a plural noun with a singular form. Desideratum means things wanted or needed.<br /><br />Desiderata is a famous poem written by an American poet, and lawyer Max Ehrmann in 1927.<br />There's such an immediacy to this poem even though it was written back in the 1920s. Even though it was written hundred years ago, it still feels fresh and it is what we all need to hear RIGHT NOW.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-size:medium;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our</span></span><span style="color:#55595c;"> </span></strong><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-size:medium;">website:</span></span><strong><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-size:medium;">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/<br />AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY!</span></span> And if you are able, please donate (what you can) by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace<br /></strong></span></span><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The word and the topic of this week's episode are desiderata, a plural noun with a singular form. Desideratum means things wanted or needed.Desiderata is a famous poem written by an American poet, and lawyer Max Ehrmann in 1927.There's such an immediacy to this poem even though it was written back in the 1920s. Even though it was written hundred years ago, it still feels fresh and it is what we all need to hear RIGHT NOW.
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! And if you are able, please donate (what you can) by buying us a cup of coffee at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Don't Take the Bait! - Seven Strategies for Tough Situations with Friends, Family, and People in General]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2023 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Don't take the bait. What bait is and how to handle bait is our topic for this week.<br /><br /><br /> Fawn shares advice from her wonderful friend Kathy and finds more information along the same subject from an article written by Lauren Sanders “ Don't Take the Bait. Seven Strategies for Dealing With Toxic People.”</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><span style="color:#55595c;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our</span></strong><span style="color:#55595c;"> </span>website:<strong>https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/<br /><span style="color:#55595c;">AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY!</span> <br /></strong></span></span><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Don't take the bait. What bait is and how to handle bait is our topic for this week. Fawn shares advice from her wonderful friend Kathy and finds more information along the same subject from an article written by Lauren Sanders “ Don't Take the Bait. Seven Strategies for Dealing With Toxic People.”
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! ]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Don't take the bait. What bait is and how to handle bait is our topic for this week.<br /><br /><br /> Fawn shares advice from her wonderful friend Kathy and finds more information along the same subject from an article written by Lauren Sanders “ Don't Take the Bait. Seven Strategies for Dealing With Toxic People.”</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><span style="color:#55595c;">Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our</span></strong><span style="color:#55595c;"> </span>website:<strong>https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/<br /><span style="color:#55595c;">AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY!</span> <br /></strong></span></span><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Don't take the bait. What bait is and how to handle bait is our topic for this week. Fawn shares advice from her wonderful friend Kathy and finds more information along the same subject from an article written by Lauren Sanders “ Don't Take the Bait. Seven Strategies for Dealing With Toxic People.”
Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY! ]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Changing Our Narratives for A kinder, Friendlier World with Dr. Cathia Walters]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2023 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                    <link>https://our-friendly-world-with-fawn-and-matt.castos.com/episodes/changing-our-narratives-for-a-kinder-friendlier-world-with-dr-cathia-walters</link>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Truth is relative and it's based on our experience. The story we tell ourselves is based on what is happening. We all have a history. We have our family of origins, there's the family interjects, what we learn from those around us, including society, etc. Dr Cathia Walters walks us through schemas (the way we frame the world based on core beliefs) and how to shift our narrative. This is how life feels better and our relationships improve. LOVE THESE SESSIONS with our Dr. C!!!!!!!</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>#ChangingOurNarratives, #DrCathiaWalters, #Phsychology, #TransformingOurStories, #ChangingOurStories, #Schemas</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><strong>Socials and Web for Walters Wellness Group / Dr. Cathia Walters:<br /></strong></span></span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/walterswellnessgroup_/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><strong>https://www.instagram.com/walterswellnessgroup_/</strong></span></span></a><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><strong><br /></strong></span></span><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WaltersWellnessGroup" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><strong>https://www.facebook.com/WaltersWellnessGroup</strong></span></span></a><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><strong><br /></strong></span></span><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><strong>https://www.linkedin.com</strong></span></span></a><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><strong><br /> <br />Dr. Cathia Walters (Dr. C) is an educator, psychologist, relationship coach, and the founder of the Walters Wellness Group in California's San Francisco Bay area. <br />Through the Walters Wellness Group, Dr. C provides support groups,  courses (online and in-person), workshops and community events on a variety of healing-related topics. Her courses like Managing Life Challenges course, Black Women's Support Group, and Healing Trauma program have served hundreds of individuals in healing and personal growth. Dr. C's work focuses on compassion in healing and incorporates movement into the healing journey.<br />Dr. C designs and hosts annual retreats for Black women in Runaway Bay, Jamaica, a biannual retreat for Black couples in Lake Tahoe, California, and a retreat for managing trauma in Costa Rica. Dr. C also provides training and hosts webinars and workshops on a variety of healing and health-related topics for companies and organizations.<br />As a Black woman, Dr. Walters considers self-care a radical act that begins with the relationship one forms with oneself.</strong></span></span></span></p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;">DISCLAIMER: This Podcast and all related content [published or distributed by or on behalf of Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson or </span></span><a href="http://ourfriendlyworld.com/"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;">Ourfriendlyworld.com</span></span></a><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;">] is for informational purposes only and may include information that is general in nature and that is not specific to you. Any information or opinions expressed or contained herein are not intended to serve as or replace medical advic...</span></span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Truth is relative and it's based on our experience. The story we tell ourselves is based on what is happening. We all have a history. We have our family of origins, there's the family interjects, what we learn from those around us, including society, etc. Dr Cathia Walters walks us through schemas (the way we frame the world based on core beliefs) and how to shift our narrative. This is how life feels better and our relationships improve. LOVE THESE SESSIONS with our Dr. C!!!!!!!
#ChangingOurNarratives, #DrCathiaWalters, #Phsychology, #TransformingOurStories, #ChangingOurStories, #Schemas
Socials and Web for Walters Wellness Group / Dr. Cathia Walters:https://www.instagram.com/walterswellnessgroup_/https://www.facebook.com/WaltersWellnessGrouphttps://www.linkedin.com Dr. Cathia Walters (Dr. C) is an educator, psychologist, relationship coach, and the founder of the Walters Wellness Group in California's San Francisco Bay area. Through the Walters Wellness Group, Dr. C provides support groups,  courses (online and in-person), workshops and community events on a variety of healing-related topics. Her courses like Managing Life Challenges course, Black Women's Support Group, and Healing Trauma program have served hundreds of individuals in healing and personal growth. Dr. C's work focuses on compassion in healing and incorporates movement into the healing journey.Dr. C designs and hosts annual retreats for Black women in Runaway Bay, Jamaica, a biannual retreat for Black couples in Lake Tahoe, California, and a retreat for managing trauma in Costa Rica. Dr. C also provides training and hosts webinars and workshops on a variety of healing and health-related topics for companies and organizations.As a Black woman, Dr. Walters considers self-care a radical act that begins with the relationship one forms with oneself.

DISCLAIMER: This Podcast and all related content [published or distributed by or on behalf of Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson or Ourfriendlyworld.com] is for informational purposes only and may include information that is general in nature and that is not specific to you. Any information or opinions expressed or contained herein are not intended to serve as or replace medical advic...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Changing Our Narratives for A kinder, Friendlier World with Dr. Cathia Walters]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Truth is relative and it's based on our experience. The story we tell ourselves is based on what is happening. We all have a history. We have our family of origins, there's the family interjects, what we learn from those around us, including society, etc. Dr Cathia Walters walks us through schemas (the way we frame the world based on core beliefs) and how to shift our narrative. This is how life feels better and our relationships improve. LOVE THESE SESSIONS with our Dr. C!!!!!!!</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>#ChangingOurNarratives, #DrCathiaWalters, #Phsychology, #TransformingOurStories, #ChangingOurStories, #Schemas</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><strong>Socials and Web for Walters Wellness Group / Dr. Cathia Walters:<br /></strong></span></span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/walterswellnessgroup_/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><strong>https://www.instagram.com/walterswellnessgroup_/</strong></span></span></a><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><strong><br /></strong></span></span><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WaltersWellnessGroup" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><strong>https://www.facebook.com/WaltersWellnessGroup</strong></span></span></a><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><strong><br /></strong></span></span><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><strong>https://www.linkedin.com</strong></span></span></a><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><strong><br /> <br />Dr. Cathia Walters (Dr. C) is an educator, psychologist, relationship coach, and the founder of the Walters Wellness Group in California's San Francisco Bay area. <br />Through the Walters Wellness Group, Dr. C provides support groups,  courses (online and in-person), workshops and community events on a variety of healing-related topics. Her courses like Managing Life Challenges course, Black Women's Support Group, and Healing Trauma program have served hundreds of individuals in healing and personal growth. Dr. C's work focuses on compassion in healing and incorporates movement into the healing journey.<br />Dr. C designs and hosts annual retreats for Black women in Runaway Bay, Jamaica, a biannual retreat for Black couples in Lake Tahoe, California, and a retreat for managing trauma in Costa Rica. Dr. C also provides training and hosts webinars and workshops on a variety of healing and health-related topics for companies and organizations.<br />As a Black woman, Dr. Walters considers self-care a radical act that begins with the relationship one forms with oneself.</strong></span></span></span></p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;">DISCLAIMER: This Podcast and all related content [published or distributed by or on behalf of Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson or </span></span><a href="http://ourfriendlyworld.com/"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;">Ourfriendlyworld.com</span></span></a><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;">] is for informational purposes only and may include information that is general in nature and that is not specific to you. Any information or opinions expressed or contained herein are not intended to serve as or replace medical advice, nor to diagnose, prescribe or treat any disease, condition, illness or injury, and you should consult the health care professional of your choice regarding all matters concerning your health, including before beginning any exercise, weight loss, or health care program. If you have, or suspect you may have, a health-care emergency, please contact a qualified health care professional for treatment. Any information or opinions provided by guest experts or hosts featured within website or on Company’s Podcast are their own; not those of Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson or the Company. Accordingly, Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson and the Company cannot be responsible for any results or consequences or actions you may take based on such information or opinions.</span></span> </span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Truth is relative and it's based on our experience. The story we tell ourselves is based on what is happening. We all have a history. We have our family of origins, there's the family interjects, what we learn from those around us, including society, etc. Dr Cathia Walters walks us through schemas (the way we frame the world based on core beliefs) and how to shift our narrative. This is how life feels better and our relationships improve. LOVE THESE SESSIONS with our Dr. C!!!!!!!
#ChangingOurNarratives, #DrCathiaWalters, #Phsychology, #TransformingOurStories, #ChangingOurStories, #Schemas
Socials and Web for Walters Wellness Group / Dr. Cathia Walters:https://www.instagram.com/walterswellnessgroup_/https://www.facebook.com/WaltersWellnessGrouphttps://www.linkedin.com Dr. Cathia Walters (Dr. C) is an educator, psychologist, relationship coach, and the founder of the Walters Wellness Group in California's San Francisco Bay area. Through the Walters Wellness Group, Dr. C provides support groups,  courses (online and in-person), workshops and community events on a variety of healing-related topics. Her courses like Managing Life Challenges course, Black Women's Support Group, and Healing Trauma program have served hundreds of individuals in healing and personal growth. Dr. C's work focuses on compassion in healing and incorporates movement into the healing journey.Dr. C designs and hosts annual retreats for Black women in Runaway Bay, Jamaica, a biannual retreat for Black couples in Lake Tahoe, California, and a retreat for managing trauma in Costa Rica. Dr. C also provides training and hosts webinars and workshops on a variety of healing and health-related topics for companies and organizations.As a Black woman, Dr. Walters considers self-care a radical act that begins with the relationship one forms with oneself.

DISCLAIMER: This Podcast and all related content [published or distributed by or on behalf of Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson or Ourfriendlyworld.com] is for informational purposes only and may include information that is general in nature and that is not specific to you. Any information or opinions expressed or contained herein are not intended to serve as or replace medical advic...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Don't Worry, Be Happy - A How-To Guide on Friendship and Wellbeing]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2023 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>For today's topic, we wanted to pass along something to you that was passed onto us; something wise from the mentor, the original mentor of friendship, Santa Monica. <br /><br /> We have found that one of those humongous things that hurt people is that at some point they forget how to play. And you know what? Playing is creativity. It's experimentation, it's screwing up, it's finding something awesome in the middle of chaos. It's a brave thing to do (to play) also because you're using your imagination. You're laughing in the face of fear. You're laughing in the face of some major constraints in front of you and you're basically saying, haha, I'm going to defy gravity. But that also gets us back to the whole topic today: worrying. </strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>This topic is twofold. One is worrying, but one is also what we do for each other as friends. We get into the etymology of worry (you will not believe the original meaning of this word!!!!).<br /><br /> Our point is that together, one by one, create what we do want, create a sense of security, and create security period! We can help each other out, and create our own utopias! it's very much possible in an instant. Because we're not alone. We're here together and we are all talented in so many ways. And when we pull our friendship together, meaning we pull our resources together, we have a beautiful society.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>So, don't worry, be happy. Because you have a friend in me. Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:<br /><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY!</strong></span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[For today's topic, we wanted to pass along something to you that was passed onto us; something wise from the mentor, the original mentor of friendship, Santa Monica.  We have found that one of those humongous things that hurt people is that at some point they forget how to play. And you know what? Playing is creativity. It's experimentation, it's screwing up, it's finding something awesome in the middle of chaos. It's a brave thing to do (to play) also because you're using your imagination. You're laughing in the face of fear. You're laughing in the face of some major constraints in front of you and you're basically saying, haha, I'm going to defy gravity. But that also gets us back to the whole topic today: worrying. 
This topic is twofold. One is worrying, but one is also what we do for each other as friends. We get into the etymology of worry (you will not believe the original meaning of this word!!!!). Our point is that together, one by one, create what we do want, create a sense of security, and create security period! We can help each other out, and create our own utopias! it's very much possible in an instant. Because we're not alone. We're here together and we are all talented in so many ways. And when we pull our friendship together, meaning we pull our resources together, we have a beautiful society.
So, don't worry, be happy. Because you have a friend in me. Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY!]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>For today's topic, we wanted to pass along something to you that was passed onto us; something wise from the mentor, the original mentor of friendship, Santa Monica. <br /><br /> We have found that one of those humongous things that hurt people is that at some point they forget how to play. And you know what? Playing is creativity. It's experimentation, it's screwing up, it's finding something awesome in the middle of chaos. It's a brave thing to do (to play) also because you're using your imagination. You're laughing in the face of fear. You're laughing in the face of some major constraints in front of you and you're basically saying, haha, I'm going to defy gravity. But that also gets us back to the whole topic today: worrying. </strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>This topic is twofold. One is worrying, but one is also what we do for each other as friends. We get into the etymology of worry (you will not believe the original meaning of this word!!!!).<br /><br /> Our point is that together, one by one, create what we do want, create a sense of security, and create security period! We can help each other out, and create our own utopias! it's very much possible in an instant. Because we're not alone. We're here together and we are all talented in so many ways. And when we pull our friendship together, meaning we pull our resources together, we have a beautiful society.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>So, don't worry, be happy. Because you have a friend in me. Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:<br /><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY!</strong></span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[For today's topic, we wanted to pass along something to you that was passed onto us; something wise from the mentor, the original mentor of friendship, Santa Monica.  We have found that one of those humongous things that hurt people is that at some point they forget how to play. And you know what? Playing is creativity. It's experimentation, it's screwing up, it's finding something awesome in the middle of chaos. It's a brave thing to do (to play) also because you're using your imagination. You're laughing in the face of fear. You're laughing in the face of some major constraints in front of you and you're basically saying, haha, I'm going to defy gravity. But that also gets us back to the whole topic today: worrying. 
This topic is twofold. One is worrying, but one is also what we do for each other as friends. We get into the etymology of worry (you will not believe the original meaning of this word!!!!). Our point is that together, one by one, create what we do want, create a sense of security, and create security period! We can help each other out, and create our own utopias! it's very much possible in an instant. Because we're not alone. We're here together and we are all talented in so many ways. And when we pull our friendship together, meaning we pull our resources together, we have a beautiful society.
So, don't worry, be happy. Because you have a friend in me. Please tell everyone you can about our efforts in bringing back the art of friendship and transforming our society for the better. Click the subscribe button on our website:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
AND...Have a BEAUTIFUL EVERY DAY!]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Why We Yell at Each Other and The Art of the Empty Jacket]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2023 02:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>When we're talking or when we're not talking, why do we yell at each other? What is the point of yelling? What does it really mean when we resort to yelling? Why do we yell when we're upset and what is really behind it all? This is what we explore this week as well as the art of the empty jacket.<br />#Aikido, #Judo</strong></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;">DISCLAIMER: This Podcast and all related content [published or distributed by or on behalf of Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson or </span></span></span><a href="http://ourfriendlyworld.com/"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;">Ourfriendlyworld.com</span></span></a><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;">] is for informational purposes only and may include information that is general in nature and that is not specific to you. Any information or opinions expressed or contained herein are not intended to serve as or replace medical advice, nor to diagnose, prescribe or treat any disease, condition, illness or injury, and you should consult the health care professional of your choice regarding all matters concerning your health, including before beginning any exercise, weight loss, or health care program. If you have, or suspect you may have, a health-care emergency, please contact a qualified health care professional for treatment. Any information or opinions provided by guest experts or hosts featured within website or on Company’s Podcast are their own; not those of Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson or the Company. Accordingly, Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson and the Company cannot be responsible for any results or consequences or actions you may take based on such information or opinions.</span></span></span> </span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[When we're talking or when we're not talking, why do we yell at each other? What is the point of yelling? What does it really mean when we resort to yelling? Why do we yell when we're upset and what is really behind it all? This is what we explore this week as well as the art of the empty jacket.#Aikido, #Judo
Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friendshttps://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/CALL TO ACTION: SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS 
DISCLAIMER: This Podcast and all related content [published or distributed by or on behalf of Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson or Ourfriendlyworld.com] is for informational purposes only and may include information that is general in nature and that is not specific to you. Any information or opinions expressed or contained herein are not intended to serve as or replace medical advice, nor to diagnose, prescribe or treat any disease, condition, illness or injury, and you should consult the health care professional of your choice regarding all matters concerning your health, including before beginning any exercise, weight loss, or health care program. If you have, or suspect you may have, a health-care emergency, please contact a qualified health care professional for treatment. Any information or opinions provided by guest experts or hosts featured within website or on Company’s Podcast are their own; not those of Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson or the Company. Accordingly, Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson and the Company cannot be responsible for any results or consequences or actions you may take based on such information or opinions. ]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>When we're talking or when we're not talking, why do we yell at each other? What is the point of yelling? What does it really mean when we resort to yelling? Why do we yell when we're upset and what is really behind it all? This is what we explore this week as well as the art of the empty jacket.<br />#Aikido, #Judo</strong></span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[When we're talking or when we're not talking, why do we yell at each other? What is the point of yelling? What does it really mean when we resort to yelling? Why do we yell when we're upset and what is really behind it all? This is what we explore this week as well as the art of the empty jacket.#Aikido, #Judo
Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friendshttps://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/CALL TO ACTION: SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS 
DISCLAIMER: This Podcast and all related content [published or distributed by or on behalf of Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson or Ourfriendlyworld.com] is for informational purposes only and may include information that is general in nature and that is not specific to you. Any information or opinions expressed or contained herein are not intended to serve as or replace medical advice, nor to diagnose, prescribe or treat any disease, condition, illness or injury, and you should consult the health care professional of your choice regarding all matters concerning your health, including before beginning any exercise, weight loss, or health care program. If you have, or suspect you may have, a health-care emergency, please contact a qualified health care professional for treatment. Any information or opinions provided by guest experts or hosts featured within website or on Company’s Podcast are their own; not those of Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson or the Company. Accordingly, Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson and the Company cannot be responsible for any results or consequences or actions you may take based on such information or opinions. ]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Radical Acceptance for Friendships, Careers, and Life with Dr. Cathia Walters]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2023 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong> Dr. Walters is back to teach us about Radical Acceptance - </strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>how does it play into our life choices, finances, career, and relationships? </strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong> We discuss </strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>how to separate our thoughts from our feelings, how to cultivate self-worth, how to deal with rejection, and soooooooo much more!</strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><br />Socials and Web for Walters Wellness Group / Dr. Cathia Walters:</strong></span></span></p>
<p>https://www.instagram.com/walterswellnessgroup_/</p>
<p>https://www.facebook.com/WaltersWellnessGroup</p>
<p>https://www.linkedin.com</p>
<p> </p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">Dr. Cathia Walters (Dr. C) is an educator, psychologist, relationship coach, and the founder of the Walters Wellness Group in California's San Francisco Bay area. </span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">Through the Walters Wellness Group, Dr. C provides support groups,  courses (online and in-person), workshops and community events on a variety of healing-related topics. Her courses like Managing Life Challenges course, Black Women's Support Group, and Healing Trauma program have served hundreds of individuals in healing and personal growth. Dr. C's work focuses on compassion in healing and incorporates movement into the healing journey.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">Dr. C designs and hosts annual retreats for Black women in Runaway Bay, Jamaica, a biannual retreat for Black couples in Lake Tahoe, California, and a retreat for managing trauma in Costa Rica. Dr. C also provides training and hosts webinars and workshops on a variety of healing and health-related topics for companies and organizations.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">As a Black woman, Dr. Walters considers self-care a radical act that begins with the relationship one forms with oneself.</span></span></span></p>
<p> </p>
<p><span style="color:#131313;"><span style="font-family:Roboto, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">DISCLAIMER: This Podcast and all related content [published or distributed by or on behalf of Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson or Ourfriendlyworld.com] is for informational purposes only and may include information that is general in nature and that is not specific to you. Any information or opinions expressed or contained herein are not intended to serve as or replace medical advice, nor to diagnose, prescribe or treat any disease, condition, illness or injury, and you should consult the health care professional of your choice regarding all matters concerning your health, including before beginning any exercise, weight loss, or health care program. If you have, or suspect you may have, a health-care emergency, please contact a qualified health care professional for treatment. Any information or opinions provided by guest experts or hosts featured within website or on Company’s Podcast are their own; not those of Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson or the Company. Accordingly, Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson and the Company cannot be responsible for any results or consequences or actions you may take based on such information or opinions.</span></span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[ Dr. Walters is back to teach us about Radical Acceptance - how does it play into our life choices, finances, career, and relationships?  We discuss how to separate our thoughts from our feelings, how to cultivate self-worth, how to deal with rejection, and soooooooo much more!Socials and Web for Walters Wellness Group / Dr. Cathia Walters:
https://www.instagram.com/walterswellnessgroup_/
https://www.facebook.com/WaltersWellnessGroup
https://www.linkedin.com
 
Dr. Cathia Walters (Dr. C) is an educator, psychologist, relationship coach, and the founder of the Walters Wellness Group in California's San Francisco Bay area. 
Through the Walters Wellness Group, Dr. C provides support groups,  courses (online and in-person), workshops and community events on a variety of healing-related topics. Her courses like Managing Life Challenges course, Black Women's Support Group, and Healing Trauma program have served hundreds of individuals in healing and personal growth. Dr. C's work focuses on compassion in healing and incorporates movement into the healing journey.
Dr. C designs and hosts annual retreats for Black women in Runaway Bay, Jamaica, a biannual retreat for Black couples in Lake Tahoe, California, and a retreat for managing trauma in Costa Rica. Dr. C also provides training and hosts webinars and workshops on a variety of healing and health-related topics for companies and organizations.
As a Black woman, Dr. Walters considers self-care a radical act that begins with the relationship one forms with oneself.
 
DISCLAIMER: This Podcast and all related content [published or distributed by or on behalf of Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson or Ourfriendlyworld.com] is for informational purposes only and may include information that is general in nature and that is not specific to you. Any information or opinions expressed or contained herein are not intended to serve as or replace medical advice, nor to diagnose, prescribe or treat any disease, condition, illness or injury, and you should consult the health care professional of your choice regarding all matters concerning your health, including before beginning any exercise, weight loss, or health care program. If you have, or suspect you may have, a health-care emergency, please contact a qualified health care professional for treatment. Any information or opinions provided by guest experts or hosts featured within website or on Company’s Podcast are their own; not those of Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson or the Company. Accordingly, Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson and the Company cannot be responsible for any results or consequences or actions you may take based on such information or opinions.]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Radical Acceptance for Friendships, Careers, and Life with Dr. Cathia Walters]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong> Dr. Walters is back to teach us about Radical Acceptance - </strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>how does it play into our life choices, finances, career, and relationships? </strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong> We discuss </strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>how to separate our thoughts from our feelings, how to cultivate self-worth, how to deal with rejection, and soooooooo much more!</strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><br />Socials and Web for Walters Wellness Group / Dr. Cathia Walters:</strong></span></span></p>
<p>https://www.instagram.com/walterswellnessgroup_/</p>
<p>https://www.facebook.com/WaltersWellnessGroup</p>
<p>https://www.linkedin.com</p>
<p> </p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">Dr. Cathia Walters (Dr. C) is an educator, psychologist, relationship coach, and the founder of the Walters Wellness Group in California's San Francisco Bay area. </span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">Through the Walters Wellness Group, Dr. C provides support groups,  courses (online and in-person), workshops and community events on a variety of healing-related topics. Her courses like Managing Life Challenges course, Black Women's Support Group, and Healing Trauma program have served hundreds of individuals in healing and personal growth. Dr. C's work focuses on compassion in healing and incorporates movement into the healing journey.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">Dr. C designs and hosts annual retreats for Black women in Runaway Bay, Jamaica, a biannual retreat for Black couples in Lake Tahoe, California, and a retreat for managing trauma in Costa Rica. Dr. C also provides training and hosts webinars and workshops on a variety of healing and health-related topics for companies and organizations.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">As a Black woman, Dr. Walters considers self-care a radical act that begins with the relationship one forms with oneself.</span></span></span></p>
<p> </p>
<p><span style="color:#131313;"><span style="font-family:Roboto, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">DISCLAIMER: This Podcast and all related content [published or distributed by or on behalf of Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson or Ourfriendlyworld.com] is for informational purposes only and may include information that is general in nature and that is not specific to you. Any information or opinions expressed or contained herein are not intended to serve as or replace medical advice, nor to diagnose, prescribe or treat any disease, condition, illness or injury, and you should consult the health care professional of your choice regarding all matters concerning your health, including before beginning any exercise, weight loss, or health care program. If you have, or suspect you may have, a health-care emergency, please contact a qualified health care professional for treatment. Any information or opinions provided by guest experts or hosts featured within website or on Company’s Podcast are their own; not those of Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson or the Company. Accordingly, Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson and the Company cannot be responsible for any results or consequences or actions you may take based on such information or opinions.</span></span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[ Dr. Walters is back to teach us about Radical Acceptance - how does it play into our life choices, finances, career, and relationships?  We discuss how to separate our thoughts from our feelings, how to cultivate self-worth, how to deal with rejection, and soooooooo much more!Socials and Web for Walters Wellness Group / Dr. Cathia Walters:
https://www.instagram.com/walterswellnessgroup_/
https://www.facebook.com/WaltersWellnessGroup
https://www.linkedin.com
 
Dr. Cathia Walters (Dr. C) is an educator, psychologist, relationship coach, and the founder of the Walters Wellness Group in California's San Francisco Bay area. 
Through the Walters Wellness Group, Dr. C provides support groups,  courses (online and in-person), workshops and community events on a variety of healing-related topics. Her courses like Managing Life Challenges course, Black Women's Support Group, and Healing Trauma program have served hundreds of individuals in healing and personal growth. Dr. C's work focuses on compassion in healing and incorporates movement into the healing journey.
Dr. C designs and hosts annual retreats for Black women in Runaway Bay, Jamaica, a biannual retreat for Black couples in Lake Tahoe, California, and a retreat for managing trauma in Costa Rica. Dr. C also provides training and hosts webinars and workshops on a variety of healing and health-related topics for companies and organizations.
As a Black woman, Dr. Walters considers self-care a radical act that begins with the relationship one forms with oneself.
 
DISCLAIMER: This Podcast and all related content [published or distributed by or on behalf of Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson or Ourfriendlyworld.com] is for informational purposes only and may include information that is general in nature and that is not specific to you. Any information or opinions expressed or contained herein are not intended to serve as or replace medical advice, nor to diagnose, prescribe or treat any disease, condition, illness or injury, and you should consult the health care professional of your choice regarding all matters concerning your health, including before beginning any exercise, weight loss, or health care program. If you have, or suspect you may have, a health-care emergency, please contact a qualified health care professional for treatment. Any information or opinions provided by guest experts or hosts featured within website or on Company’s Podcast are their own; not those of Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson or the Company. Accordingly, Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson and the Company cannot be responsible for any results or consequences or actions you may take based on such information or opinions.]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Tao Te Ching of Friendship  Finding the exceptional in the seemingly unexceptional]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2023 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>The simple things are the most profound - things that go unnoticed. To notice the spectacular takes a special eye, a special awareness, a special sense of wisdom and appreciation. Someone who has the ability to spot something that's a diamond that may not be polished at Tiffany's who says Wow! Look at that spectacular jewel. Let's be the people who can see the extraordinary in the ordinary. And that goes in finding friendships. </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><br />Thank you to the people who are so wildly perceptive that they can recognize in you the magic that you are. That we are. Thank you. You are the best friends.<br /><br />And thank you to all the people who we come across who remind us of this stuff.<br /><br /><br />#HankWessel, #GeorgiaO'Keefe, #F.ScottFitzgerald, #TaoTeChingOfFriendship, ParentsTaoTeChing, #TheMarvelousMrsMaisel, #signsthathelpus</span></p>
<p>Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends<br /><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a><br />CALL TO ACTION: SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The simple things are the most profound - things that go unnoticed. To notice the spectacular takes a special eye, a special awareness, a special sense of wisdom and appreciation. Someone who has the ability to spot something that's a diamond that may not be polished at Tiffany's who says Wow! Look at that spectacular jewel. Let's be the people who can see the extraordinary in the ordinary. And that goes in finding friendships. 
Thank you to the people who are so wildly perceptive that they can recognize in you the magic that you are. That we are. Thank you. You are the best friends.And thank you to all the people who we come across who remind us of this stuff.#HankWessel, #GeorgiaO'Keefe, #F.ScottFitzgerald, #TaoTeChingOfFriendship, ParentsTaoTeChing, #TheMarvelousMrsMaisel, #signsthathelpus
Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friendshttps://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/CALL TO ACTION: SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Tao Te Ching of Friendship  Finding the exceptional in the seemingly unexceptional]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>The simple things are the most profound - things that go unnoticed. To notice the spectacular takes a special eye, a special awareness, a special sense of wisdom and appreciation. Someone who has the ability to spot something that's a diamond that may not be polished at Tiffany's who says Wow! Look at that spectacular jewel. Let's be the people who can see the extraordinary in the ordinary. And that goes in finding friendships. </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><br />Thank you to the people who are so wildly perceptive that they can recognize in you the magic that you are. That we are. Thank you. You are the best friends.<br /><br />And thank you to all the people who we come across who remind us of this stuff.<br /><br /><br />#HankWessel, #GeorgiaO'Keefe, #F.ScottFitzgerald, #TaoTeChingOfFriendship, ParentsTaoTeChing, #TheMarvelousMrsMaisel, #signsthathelpus</span></p>
<p>Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends<br /><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a><br />CALL TO ACTION: SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The simple things are the most profound - things that go unnoticed. To notice the spectacular takes a special eye, a special awareness, a special sense of wisdom and appreciation. Someone who has the ability to spot something that's a diamond that may not be polished at Tiffany's who says Wow! Look at that spectacular jewel. Let's be the people who can see the extraordinary in the ordinary. And that goes in finding friendships. 
Thank you to the people who are so wildly perceptive that they can recognize in you the magic that you are. That we are. Thank you. You are the best friends.And thank you to all the people who we come across who remind us of this stuff.#HankWessel, #GeorgiaO'Keefe, #F.ScottFitzgerald, #TaoTeChingOfFriendship, ParentsTaoTeChing, #TheMarvelousMrsMaisel, #signsthathelpus
Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friendshttps://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/CALL TO ACTION: SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS]]>
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                    <![CDATA[ þetta reddast of Friendship - It Will All Work Itself Out]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2023 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                <description>
                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">There are messages everywhere you guys! It's funny how messages will come to you. They come in the wildest ways and they come just right when you need them. So the message today is, don't worry, it's going to be okay. It will all work out okay. This week, we get the message from a few sources and one of them is from our friends in Iceland. No matter how big the problem, no matter how big the problem a solution, a solution will always present itself. It will fix itself.</span></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends</span></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</span></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">CALL TO ACTION: SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS<br /></span></strong></span></span><br /><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">#BobbyMcFaren, #Yo-YoMa, #MichaelSandlerInspireNation, #Iceland, #Icelandicphrase</span></strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;"><br /></span></strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong> “þetta reddast” - Saying of Iceland (Icland's Motto to Live By) TRANSCRIPT</strong></span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[There are messages everywhere you guys! It's funny how messages will come to you. They come in the wildest ways and they come just right when you need them. So the message today is, don't worry, it's going to be okay. It will all work out okay. This week, we get the message from a few sources and one of them is from our friends in Iceland. No matter how big the problem, no matter how big the problem a solution, a solution will always present itself. It will fix itself.
Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends
https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
CALL TO ACTION: SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS#BobbyMcFaren, #Yo-YoMa, #MichaelSandlerInspireNation, #Iceland, #Icelandicphrase
 “þetta reddast” - Saying of Iceland (Icland's Motto to Live By) TRANSCRIPT]]>
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                    <![CDATA[ þetta reddast of Friendship - It Will All Work Itself Out]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">There are messages everywhere you guys! It's funny how messages will come to you. They come in the wildest ways and they come just right when you need them. So the message today is, don't worry, it's going to be okay. It will all work out okay. This week, we get the message from a few sources and one of them is from our friends in Iceland. No matter how big the problem, no matter how big the problem a solution, a solution will always present itself. It will fix itself.</span></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends</span></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</span></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">CALL TO ACTION: SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS<br /></span></strong></span></span><br /><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">#BobbyMcFaren, #Yo-YoMa, #MichaelSandlerInspireNation, #Iceland, #Icelandicphrase</span></strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;"><br /></span></strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong> “þetta reddast” - Saying of Iceland (Icland's Motto to Live By) TRANSCRIPT</strong></span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[There are messages everywhere you guys! It's funny how messages will come to you. They come in the wildest ways and they come just right when you need them. So the message today is, don't worry, it's going to be okay. It will all work out okay. This week, we get the message from a few sources and one of them is from our friends in Iceland. No matter how big the problem, no matter how big the problem a solution, a solution will always present itself. It will fix itself.
Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends
https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
CALL TO ACTION: SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS#BobbyMcFaren, #Yo-YoMa, #MichaelSandlerInspireNation, #Iceland, #Icelandicphrase
 “þetta reddast” - Saying of Iceland (Icland's Motto to Live By) TRANSCRIPT]]>
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                    <![CDATA[How to Argue Well in A Friendship - and Still Keep the Friendship]]>
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                <pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2023 13:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Step-by-step guide on how to argue well in a friendship, to keep the friendship alive - and also how the turning point comes to be a deal breaker and ends the friendship.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Thank you to our BEAUTIFUL and TALENTED friend, Michelle Sillence (an awesome Voice Actor) who brought up this very important topic.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends</span></span></span><strong><br /></strong><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</span></span></a><strong><br /></strong><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS</span></span></span><strong> <br /><br />#HowToKnowIfAFriendshipIsHopeless, #respect, #Apologia.<br /></strong></span></span><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Step-by-step guide on how to argue well in a friendship, to keep the friendship alive - and also how the turning point comes to be a deal breaker and ends the friendship.
Thank you to our BEAUTIFUL and TALENTED friend, Michelle Sillence (an awesome Voice Actor) who brought up this very important topic.
Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friendshttps://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS #HowToKnowIfAFriendshipIsHopeless, #respect, #Apologia.]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Step-by-step guide on how to argue well in a friendship, to keep the friendship alive - and also how the turning point comes to be a deal breaker and ends the friendship.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Thank you to our BEAUTIFUL and TALENTED friend, Michelle Sillence (an awesome Voice Actor) who brought up this very important topic.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends</span></span></span><strong><br /></strong><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</span></span></a><strong><br /></strong><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS</span></span></span><strong> <br /><br />#HowToKnowIfAFriendshipIsHopeless, #respect, #Apologia.<br /></strong></span></span><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Step-by-step guide on how to argue well in a friendship, to keep the friendship alive - and also how the turning point comes to be a deal breaker and ends the friendship.
Thank you to our BEAUTIFUL and TALENTED friend, Michelle Sillence (an awesome Voice Actor) who brought up this very important topic.
Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friendshttps://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS #HowToKnowIfAFriendshipIsHopeless, #respect, #Apologia.]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Away with the Hard Times! We're Done with YOU!]]>
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                <pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2023 18:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>If I can reiterate the whole reason why we're here, it is to prove, to show, that we are not alone. You are not alone. Sometimes life is an absurdity, that's when you cross over into the realm of absurdity, and all you can do is just laugh at it and that's it. Sometimes everything can suck, BUT it won't always suck. YOU CAN MOVE THROUGH IT! The “sucky” times wil not last!</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Things will get better.<br /></strong></span></span></p>
<p>Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends</p>
<p align="left"><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a></p>
<p align="left">CALL<strong> </strong>TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS</p>
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                    <![CDATA[If I can reiterate the whole reason why we're here, it is to prove, to show, that we are not alone. You are not alone. Sometimes life is an absurdity, that's when you cross over into the realm of absurdity, and all you can do is just laugh at it and that's it. Sometimes everything can suck, BUT it won't always suck. YOU CAN MOVE THROUGH IT! The “sucky” times wil not last!
Things will get better.
Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends
https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS
 ]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>If I can reiterate the whole reason why we're here, it is to prove, to show, that we are not alone. You are not alone. Sometimes life is an absurdity, that's when you cross over into the realm of absurdity, and all you can do is just laugh at it and that's it. Sometimes everything can suck, BUT it won't always suck. YOU CAN MOVE THROUGH IT! The “sucky” times wil not last!</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Things will get better.<br /></strong></span></span></p>
<p>Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends</p>
<p align="left"><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a></p>
<p align="left">CALL<strong> </strong>TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS</p>
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                    <![CDATA[If I can reiterate the whole reason why we're here, it is to prove, to show, that we are not alone. You are not alone. Sometimes life is an absurdity, that's when you cross over into the realm of absurdity, and all you can do is just laugh at it and that's it. Sometimes everything can suck, BUT it won't always suck. YOU CAN MOVE THROUGH IT! The “sucky” times wil not last!
Things will get better.
Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends
https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS
 ]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Moving Through Trauma, with Dr. Cathia Walters]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2023 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>     Today we welcome our most honored guest, Dr. Cathia Walters who shows us how we see ourselves, how we see others, how we see the world, what makes something traumatic, how to have self-compassion, how trauma shows up in our lives, how trauma shows up in society, and how to navigate through it all.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>     What is trauma anyway? How can our various traumas be breaking or making our relationships with ourselves, with the people in our lives, and with the world around us? </strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><br />     You will love your new friend, Dr. C, and will feel the beauty and calm of her teachings. We love this episode.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><br /> #TraumaticExperiences, #SelfCompassion, #Acceptance #compassion, #PaulGilbert, #BigT, #LittleT, #TheArtOfSelfLove, #triad, #RelationshipsBeginWithYou.<br /><br /><br />Socials and Web for Walters Wellness Group / Dr. Cathia Walters:</strong></span></span></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/walterswellnessgroup_/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="color:#1155cc;">Instagram</span></a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WaltersWellnessGroup" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="color:#1155cc;">Facebook</span></a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/walters-wellness-group/?viewAsMember=true" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="color:#1155cc;">LinkedIn</span></a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.walterswellnessgroup.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="color:#1155cc;">Website</span></a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/cathia-walters-pinole-ca/213933" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="color:#1155cc;">Psychology Today Profile</span></a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">Dr. Cathia Walters (Dr. C) is an educator, psychologist, relationship coach, and the founder of the Walters Wellness Group in California's San Francisco Bay area. </span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">Through the Walters Wellness Group, Dr. C provides support groups,  courses (online and in-person), workshops and community events on a variety of healing-related topics. Her courses like Managing Life Challenges course, Black Women's Support Group, and Healing Trauma program have served hundreds of individuals in healing and personal growth. Dr. C's work focuses on compassion in healing and incorporates movement into the healing journey.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">Dr. C designs and hosts annual retreats for Black women in Runaway Bay, Jamaica, a biannual retreat for Black couples in Lake Tahoe, California, and a retreat for managing trauma in Costa Rica. Dr. C also provides training and hosts webinars and workshops on a variety of healing and health-related topics for companies and organizations.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">As a Black woman, Dr. Walters considers self-care a radical act that begins with the relationship one forms with oneself.</span></span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[     Today we welcome our most honored guest, Dr. Cathia Walters who shows us how we see ourselves, how we see others, how we see the world, what makes something traumatic, how to have self-compassion, how trauma shows up in our lives, how trauma shows up in society, and how to navigate through it all.
     What is trauma anyway? How can our various traumas be breaking or making our relationships with ourselves, with the people in our lives, and with the world around us? 
     You will love your new friend, Dr. C, and will feel the beauty and calm of her teachings. We love this episode.
 #TraumaticExperiences, #SelfCompassion, #Acceptance #compassion, #PaulGilbert, #BigT, #LittleT, #TheArtOfSelfLove, #triad, #RelationshipsBeginWithYou.Socials and Web for Walters Wellness Group / Dr. Cathia Walters:


Instagram


Facebook


LinkedIn


Website


Psychology Today Profile



Dr. Cathia Walters (Dr. C) is an educator, psychologist, relationship coach, and the founder of the Walters Wellness Group in California's San Francisco Bay area. 
Through the Walters Wellness Group, Dr. C provides support groups,  courses (online and in-person), workshops and community events on a variety of healing-related topics. Her courses like Managing Life Challenges course, Black Women's Support Group, and Healing Trauma program have served hundreds of individuals in healing and personal growth. Dr. C's work focuses on compassion in healing and incorporates movement into the healing journey.
Dr. C designs and hosts annual retreats for Black women in Runaway Bay, Jamaica, a biannual retreat for Black couples in Lake Tahoe, California, and a retreat for managing trauma in Costa Rica. Dr. C also provides training and hosts webinars and workshops on a variety of healing and health-related topics for companies and organizations.
As a Black woman, Dr. Walters considers self-care a radical act that begins with the relationship one forms with oneself.
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>     Today we welcome our most honored guest, Dr. Cathia Walters who shows us how we see ourselves, how we see others, how we see the world, what makes something traumatic, how to have self-compassion, how trauma shows up in our lives, how trauma shows up in society, and how to navigate through it all.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>     What is trauma anyway? How can our various traumas be breaking or making our relationships with ourselves, with the people in our lives, and with the world around us? </strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><br />     You will love your new friend, Dr. C, and will feel the beauty and calm of her teachings. We love this episode.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><br /> #TraumaticExperiences, #SelfCompassion, #Acceptance #compassion, #PaulGilbert, #BigT, #LittleT, #TheArtOfSelfLove, #triad, #RelationshipsBeginWithYou.<br /><br /><br />Socials and Web for Walters Wellness Group / Dr. Cathia Walters:</strong></span></span></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/walterswellnessgroup_/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="color:#1155cc;">Instagram</span></a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WaltersWellnessGroup" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="color:#1155cc;">Facebook</span></a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/walters-wellness-group/?viewAsMember=true" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="color:#1155cc;">LinkedIn</span></a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.walterswellnessgroup.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="color:#1155cc;">Website</span></a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/cathia-walters-pinole-ca/213933" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="color:#1155cc;">Psychology Today Profile</span></a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">Dr. Cathia Walters (Dr. C) is an educator, psychologist, relationship coach, and the founder of the Walters Wellness Group in California's San Francisco Bay area. </span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">Through the Walters Wellness Group, Dr. C provides support groups,  courses (online and in-person), workshops and community events on a variety of healing-related topics. Her courses like Managing Life Challenges course, Black Women's Support Group, and Healing Trauma program have served hundreds of individuals in healing and personal growth. Dr. C's work focuses on compassion in healing and incorporates movement into the healing journey.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">Dr. C designs and hosts annual retreats for Black women in Runaway Bay, Jamaica, a biannual retreat for Black couples in Lake Tahoe, California, and a retreat for managing trauma in Costa Rica. Dr. C also provides training and hosts webinars and workshops on a variety of healing and health-related topics for companies and organizations.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">As a Black woman, Dr. Walters considers self-care a radical act that begins with the relationship one forms with oneself.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#131313;"><span style="font-family:Roboto, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">DISCLAIMER: This Podcast and all related content [published or distributed by or on behalf of Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson or Ourfriendlyworld.com] is for informational purposes only and may include information that is general in nature and that is not specific to you. Any information or opinions expressed or contained herein are not intended to serve as or replace medical advice, nor to diagnose, prescribe or treat any disease, condition, illness or injury, and you should consult the health care professional of your choice regarding all matters concerning your health, including before beginning any exercise, weight loss, or health care program. If you have, or suspect you may have, a health-care emergency, please contact a qualified health care professional for treatment. Any information or opinions provided by guest experts or hosts featured within website or on Company’s Podcast are their own; not those of Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson or the Company. Accordingly, Fawn Anderson and Matthew Anderson and the Company cannot be responsible for any results or consequences or actions you may take based on such information or opinions.</span></span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[     Today we welcome our most honored guest, Dr. Cathia Walters who shows us how we see ourselves, how we see others, how we see the world, what makes something traumatic, how to have self-compassion, how trauma shows up in our lives, how trauma shows up in society, and how to navigate through it all.
     What is trauma anyway? How can our various traumas be breaking or making our relationships with ourselves, with the people in our lives, and with the world around us? 
     You will love your new friend, Dr. C, and will feel the beauty and calm of her teachings. We love this episode.
 #TraumaticExperiences, #SelfCompassion, #Acceptance #compassion, #PaulGilbert, #BigT, #LittleT, #TheArtOfSelfLove, #triad, #RelationshipsBeginWithYou.Socials and Web for Walters Wellness Group / Dr. Cathia Walters:


Instagram


Facebook


LinkedIn


Website


Psychology Today Profile



Dr. Cathia Walters (Dr. C) is an educator, psychologist, relationship coach, and the founder of the Walters Wellness Group in California's San Francisco Bay area. 
Through the Walters Wellness Group, Dr. C provides support groups,  courses (online and in-person), workshops and community events on a variety of healing-related topics. Her courses like Managing Life Challenges course, Black Women's Support Group, and Healing Trauma program have served hundreds of individuals in healing and personal growth. Dr. C's work focuses on compassion in healing and incorporates movement into the healing journey.
Dr. C designs and hosts annual retreats for Black women in Runaway Bay, Jamaica, a biannual retreat for Black couples in Lake Tahoe, California, and a retreat for managing trauma in Costa Rica. Dr. C also provides training and hosts webinars and workshops on a variety of healing and health-related topics for companies and organizations.
As a Black woman, Dr. Walters considers self-care a radical act that begins with the relationship one forms with oneself.
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                    <![CDATA[Unleashing and Untethering Self-Identity within Friendships/Relationships for Survival]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2023 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><br /> As life happens, everybody fights, everybody argues everybody has a bad day. It's like people don't allow each other to flex and expand and contract. Oftentimes we get so focused and like we draw so much strength from things we've done in the past that have made sense for us that we can't conceive of a world where that doesn't make sense anymore.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>When you have misunderstandings, people misunderstand and they think it's the end of the friendship or the end of the relationship, but in reality, there's so much to unpack because everybody is experiencing their own life, their own interpretation of things, their own stresses, <br />and everybody looks circumstances through the lens of their own past experiences. It's like you're not allowed to have three dimensions. You're only allowed to have two. And then some cases, one dimension.<br /><br /> You have to be flexible. You have to go with the flow. It's the only way to thrive. Neither one of us can say anything with certainty's. That's the fun part. That's the challenging part, that's the wonder of it. That's life.<br /><br /> It's a good idea to be strong in your convictions and beliefs but only to the point where if they start getting challenged, you need to really take a good hard look and figure out whether or not it makes sense or doesn't make sense.<br /> <br /> We see this within famalies, where people don't want to hear or look at the change, they won't accept it. They don't, they don't accept you because you are not their way; how parents don't want to understand their children because they're doing things in a way that's not done, that they didn't do it “right”. When things aren't done their way, when thoughts and ideas don't match their way, it threatens their self-identity. And that's where the friction comes in. That's where the separation comes in. That's why, families don't get along. I mean, HELLO, politics anyone in the United States?!<br /><br /> How can we deal with this? I think we really need to back to the self-identity thing, number one, should we just examine, Hey, is my identity wrapped up in this? Maybe it shouldn't be.<br />Think of different ways where we're so tied. We're so leashed and tethered to self-identity that we refuse to grow because we just need to hold on to something. <br /><br /> Sometimes you have to have the mindset of I'm ready to head out on the highway for them to start to listen to you. Sometimes people only come to recognition that things aren't the way they perceive it.<br /><br /></strong></span></span><br /><br /></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>#ChangeAndAdapt, #transform, #BlockbusterVideo, #Netflix, #Redbox, #RedboxKiosk, #9/11, #SantaMonica, #Self-Identity, #PeopleThatDon'tLikeChange, #theUntetheredIdentity</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:x-large;">Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making </span></span></span><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:x-large;">friends</span></span></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:x-large;">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</span></span></a></p>
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                    <![CDATA[ As life happens, everybody fights, everybody argues everybody has a bad day. It's like people don't allow each other to flex and expand and contract. Oftentimes we get so focused and like we draw so much strength from things we've done in the past that have made sense for us that we can't conceive of a world where that doesn't make sense anymore.
When you have misunderstandings, people misunderstand and they think it's the end of the friendship or the end of the relationship, but in reality, there's so much to unpack because everybody is experiencing their own life, their own interpretation of things, their own stresses, and everybody looks circumstances through the lens of their own past experiences. It's like you're not allowed to have three dimensions. You're only allowed to have two. And then some cases, one dimension. You have to be flexible. You have to go with the flow. It's the only way to thrive. Neither one of us can say anything with certainty's. That's the fun part. That's the challenging part, that's the wonder of it. That's life. It's a good idea to be strong in your convictions and beliefs but only to the point where if they start getting challenged, you need to really take a good hard look and figure out whether or not it makes sense or doesn't make sense.  We see this within famalies, where people don't want to hear or look at the change, they won't accept it. They don't, they don't accept you because you are not their way; how parents don't want to understand their children because they're doing things in a way that's not done, that they didn't do it “right”. When things aren't done their way, when thoughts and ideas don't match their way, it threatens their self-identity. And that's where the friction comes in. That's where the separation comes in. That's why, families don't get along. I mean, HELLO, politics anyone in the United States?! How can we deal with this? I think we really need to back to the self-identity thing, number one, should we just examine, Hey, is my identity wrapped up in this? Maybe it shouldn't be.Think of different ways where we're so tied. We're so leashed and tethered to self-identity that we refuse to grow because we just need to hold on to something.  Sometimes you have to have the mindset of I'm ready to head out on the highway for them to start to listen to you. Sometimes people only come to recognition that things aren't the way they perceive it.
#ChangeAndAdapt, #transform, #BlockbusterVideo, #Netflix, #Redbox, #RedboxKiosk, #9/11, #SantaMonica, #Self-Identity, #PeopleThatDon'tLikeChange, #theUntetheredIdentity
Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends
https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
CALL ]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><br /> As life happens, everybody fights, everybody argues everybody has a bad day. It's like people don't allow each other to flex and expand and contract. Oftentimes we get so focused and like we draw so much strength from things we've done in the past that have made sense for us that we can't conceive of a world where that doesn't make sense anymore.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>When you have misunderstandings, people misunderstand and they think it's the end of the friendship or the end of the relationship, but in reality, there's so much to unpack because everybody is experiencing their own life, their own interpretation of things, their own stresses, <br />and everybody looks circumstances through the lens of their own past experiences. It's like you're not allowed to have three dimensions. You're only allowed to have two. And then some cases, one dimension.<br /><br /> You have to be flexible. You have to go with the flow. It's the only way to thrive. Neither one of us can say anything with certainty's. That's the fun part. That's the challenging part, that's the wonder of it. That's life.<br /><br /> It's a good idea to be strong in your convictions and beliefs but only to the point where if they start getting challenged, you need to really take a good hard look and figure out whether or not it makes sense or doesn't make sense.<br /> <br /> We see this within famalies, where people don't want to hear or look at the change, they won't accept it. They don't, they don't accept you because you are not their way; how parents don't want to understand their children because they're doing things in a way that's not done, that they didn't do it “right”. When things aren't done their way, when thoughts and ideas don't match their way, it threatens their self-identity. And that's where the friction comes in. That's where the separation comes in. That's why, families don't get along. I mean, HELLO, politics anyone in the United States?!<br /><br /> How can we deal with this? I think we really need to back to the self-identity thing, number one, should we just examine, Hey, is my identity wrapped up in this? Maybe it shouldn't be.<br />Think of different ways where we're so tied. We're so leashed and tethered to self-identity that we refuse to grow because we just need to hold on to something. <br /><br /> Sometimes you have to have the mindset of I'm ready to head out on the highway for them to start to listen to you. Sometimes people only come to recognition that things aren't the way they perceive it.<br /><br /></strong></span></span><br /><br /></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>#ChangeAndAdapt, #transform, #BlockbusterVideo, #Netflix, #Redbox, #RedboxKiosk, #9/11, #SantaMonica, #Self-Identity, #PeopleThatDon'tLikeChange, #theUntetheredIdentity</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:x-large;">Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making </span></span></span><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:x-large;">friends</span></span></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:x-large;">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</span></span></a></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:x-large;">CALL</span></span><strong><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;"> </span></span></span></strong><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:x-large;">TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS</span></span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[ As life happens, everybody fights, everybody argues everybody has a bad day. It's like people don't allow each other to flex and expand and contract. Oftentimes we get so focused and like we draw so much strength from things we've done in the past that have made sense for us that we can't conceive of a world where that doesn't make sense anymore.
When you have misunderstandings, people misunderstand and they think it's the end of the friendship or the end of the relationship, but in reality, there's so much to unpack because everybody is experiencing their own life, their own interpretation of things, their own stresses, and everybody looks circumstances through the lens of their own past experiences. It's like you're not allowed to have three dimensions. You're only allowed to have two. And then some cases, one dimension. You have to be flexible. You have to go with the flow. It's the only way to thrive. Neither one of us can say anything with certainty's. That's the fun part. That's the challenging part, that's the wonder of it. That's life. It's a good idea to be strong in your convictions and beliefs but only to the point where if they start getting challenged, you need to really take a good hard look and figure out whether or not it makes sense or doesn't make sense.  We see this within famalies, where people don't want to hear or look at the change, they won't accept it. They don't, they don't accept you because you are not their way; how parents don't want to understand their children because they're doing things in a way that's not done, that they didn't do it “right”. When things aren't done their way, when thoughts and ideas don't match their way, it threatens their self-identity. And that's where the friction comes in. That's where the separation comes in. That's why, families don't get along. I mean, HELLO, politics anyone in the United States?! How can we deal with this? I think we really need to back to the self-identity thing, number one, should we just examine, Hey, is my identity wrapped up in this? Maybe it shouldn't be.Think of different ways where we're so tied. We're so leashed and tethered to self-identity that we refuse to grow because we just need to hold on to something.  Sometimes you have to have the mindset of I'm ready to head out on the highway for them to start to listen to you. Sometimes people only come to recognition that things aren't the way they perceive it.
#ChangeAndAdapt, #transform, #BlockbusterVideo, #Netflix, #Redbox, #RedboxKiosk, #9/11, #SantaMonica, #Self-Identity, #PeopleThatDon'tLikeChange, #theUntetheredIdentity
Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends
https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
CALL ]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Believe!]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2023 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>We may not know every single one of you listening, but you matter to us. You matter. You are of great value. You're amazing.<br /><br /> This episode is about believing that things can get better, that I can get better, that we will get better... to believe in yourself, to believe in one another... (quote from Ted Lasso.<br /><br /> You matter regardless of what you do, what you achieve, what you don't do, what you don't achieve. It doesn't matter. When you are centered, even if you weigh 80 pounds, no one can throw you. Sometimes there seems to be a lot of people who want to throw you; spiritually, physically and metaphorically. The worst is when YOU throw you, and even worst is when you <br />help them throw you. <br /><br /> We talk about creating your best life. It's important to feel joy. It's nice to have someone take a look at and remind you of who you are, have friends to remind you of who you are, that you're not maybe seeing fully in that moment for someone to remind you, and that's the beauty of friendship.<br /><br /> Don't be afraid of hearing some lovely people maybe express to you what they see around you that you may not know is happening around you to remind you of you, what you're about, like how wonderful you are, how amazing you are, how talented you are. <br /></strong></span></span><br /><br /></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>#TedLasso #TheBeliefOfHope, #ImposterSyndrome, #momentum, #Aikido, #martialArts,</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:x-large;">Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making </span></span></span><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:x-large;">friends</span></span></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:x-large;">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</span></span></a></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:x-large;">CALL</span></span><strong><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;"> </span></span></span></strong><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:x-large;">TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS</span></span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[We may not know every single one of you listening, but you matter to us. You matter. You are of great value. You're amazing. This episode is about believing that things can get better, that I can get better, that we will get better... to believe in yourself, to believe in one another... (quote from Ted Lasso. You matter regardless of what you do, what you achieve, what you don't do, what you don't achieve. It doesn't matter. When you are centered, even if you weigh 80 pounds, no one can throw you. Sometimes there seems to be a lot of people who want to throw you; spiritually, physically and metaphorically. The worst is when YOU throw you, and even worst is when you help them throw you.  We talk about creating your best life. It's important to feel joy. It's nice to have someone take a look at and remind you of who you are, have friends to remind you of who you are, that you're not maybe seeing fully in that moment for someone to remind you, and that's the beauty of friendship. Don't be afraid of hearing some lovely people maybe express to you what they see around you that you may not know is happening around you to remind you of you, what you're about, like how wonderful you are, how amazing you are, how talented you are. 
#TedLasso #TheBeliefOfHope, #ImposterSyndrome, #momentum, #Aikido, #martialArts,
Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends
https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Believe!]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>We may not know every single one of you listening, but you matter to us. You matter. You are of great value. You're amazing.<br /><br /> This episode is about believing that things can get better, that I can get better, that we will get better... to believe in yourself, to believe in one another... (quote from Ted Lasso.<br /><br /> You matter regardless of what you do, what you achieve, what you don't do, what you don't achieve. It doesn't matter. When you are centered, even if you weigh 80 pounds, no one can throw you. Sometimes there seems to be a lot of people who want to throw you; spiritually, physically and metaphorically. The worst is when YOU throw you, and even worst is when you <br />help them throw you. <br /><br /> We talk about creating your best life. It's important to feel joy. It's nice to have someone take a look at and remind you of who you are, have friends to remind you of who you are, that you're not maybe seeing fully in that moment for someone to remind you, and that's the beauty of friendship.<br /><br /> Don't be afraid of hearing some lovely people maybe express to you what they see around you that you may not know is happening around you to remind you of you, what you're about, like how wonderful you are, how amazing you are, how talented you are. <br /></strong></span></span><br /><br /></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>#TedLasso #TheBeliefOfHope, #ImposterSyndrome, #momentum, #Aikido, #martialArts,</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:x-large;">Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making </span></span></span><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:x-large;">friends</span></span></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:x-large;">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</span></span></a></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:x-large;">CALL</span></span><strong><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;"> </span></span></span></strong><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:x-large;">TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS</span></span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[We may not know every single one of you listening, but you matter to us. You matter. You are of great value. You're amazing. This episode is about believing that things can get better, that I can get better, that we will get better... to believe in yourself, to believe in one another... (quote from Ted Lasso. You matter regardless of what you do, what you achieve, what you don't do, what you don't achieve. It doesn't matter. When you are centered, even if you weigh 80 pounds, no one can throw you. Sometimes there seems to be a lot of people who want to throw you; spiritually, physically and metaphorically. The worst is when YOU throw you, and even worst is when you help them throw you.  We talk about creating your best life. It's important to feel joy. It's nice to have someone take a look at and remind you of who you are, have friends to remind you of who you are, that you're not maybe seeing fully in that moment for someone to remind you, and that's the beauty of friendship. Don't be afraid of hearing some lovely people maybe express to you what they see around you that you may not know is happening around you to remind you of you, what you're about, like how wonderful you are, how amazing you are, how talented you are. 
#TedLasso #TheBeliefOfHope, #ImposterSyndrome, #momentum, #Aikido, #martialArts,
Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends
https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS]]>
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                    <![CDATA[What To Do When Your Friends Break Up]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2023 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                    https://permalink.castos.com/podcast/11391/episode/1463501</guid>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>What do you do when your friends break up with one another? Is this a sunset or sunrise? Is it the end or the beginning of a new path? We give advice based on our personal experiences. We also discuss what to do and how to navigate a group dynamic. When you add new friends into a friend group, it changes the dynamics. Sometimes when you really need someone and the attention from that person is no longer there (it could just even be temporarily, but you need it right at that moment), it is a terrible feeling.<br /><br /> People have a habit of not doing the same things over and over again. So just because it was okay at moment A to say something very hurtful to somebody doesn't mean it's okay in moment B or C or D.<br /><br /> People believe by and large that they are moral, kind and a million other really positive words. And it's hard on people when they get a mirror shown up to them to show them exactly how they're not kind, how they're not giving, how they're not good friends.<br /><br /> When friends break up, it's tricky; when you break up with a friend, when a friend breaks up with you and when two friends that you're friends with, have their breakups; it's just a sticky situation.<br /><br />#comission, #Omission, #BlockbusterVideo, #FriendBreakUp, #WhenFriendshipsBreak</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making </span></span></span><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">friends</span></span></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;"><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a></span></span></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">CALL</span></span><strong><span style="color:#55595c;"> </span></strong><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS</span></span></span><strong> <br /></strong></span></span><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[What do you do when your friends break up with one another? Is this a sunset or sunrise? Is it the end or the beginning of a new path? We give advice based on our personal experiences. We also discuss what to do and how to navigate a group dynamic. When you add new friends into a friend group, it changes the dynamics. Sometimes when you really need someone and the attention from that person is no longer there (it could just even be temporarily, but you need it right at that moment), it is a terrible feeling. People have a habit of not doing the same things over and over again. So just because it was okay at moment A to say something very hurtful to somebody doesn't mean it's okay in moment B or C or D. People believe by and large that they are moral, kind and a million other really positive words. And it's hard on people when they get a mirror shown up to them to show them exactly how they're not kind, how they're not giving, how they're not good friends. When friends break up, it's tricky; when you break up with a friend, when a friend breaks up with you and when two friends that you're friends with, have their breakups; it's just a sticky situation.#comission, #Omission, #BlockbusterVideo, #FriendBreakUp, #WhenFriendshipsBreak
Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends
https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS ]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>What do you do when your friends break up with one another? Is this a sunset or sunrise? Is it the end or the beginning of a new path? We give advice based on our personal experiences. We also discuss what to do and how to navigate a group dynamic. When you add new friends into a friend group, it changes the dynamics. Sometimes when you really need someone and the attention from that person is no longer there (it could just even be temporarily, but you need it right at that moment), it is a terrible feeling.<br /><br /> People have a habit of not doing the same things over and over again. So just because it was okay at moment A to say something very hurtful to somebody doesn't mean it's okay in moment B or C or D.<br /><br /> People believe by and large that they are moral, kind and a million other really positive words. And it's hard on people when they get a mirror shown up to them to show them exactly how they're not kind, how they're not giving, how they're not good friends.<br /><br /> When friends break up, it's tricky; when you break up with a friend, when a friend breaks up with you and when two friends that you're friends with, have their breakups; it's just a sticky situation.<br /><br />#comission, #Omission, #BlockbusterVideo, #FriendBreakUp, #WhenFriendshipsBreak</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making </span></span></span><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">friends</span></span></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;"><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a></span></span></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">CALL</span></span><strong><span style="color:#55595c;"> </span></strong><span style="color:#55595c;"><span style="font-family:'DM Sans', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS</span></span></span><strong> <br /></strong></span></span><br /><br /></p>]]>
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Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends
https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS ]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Allowing People to Expose Their True Ways for Healthy Friendships]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2023 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>This is for anyone who's ever felt less than. It's not you. You are not less than.<br />We should concentrate on taking care of our space and realizing in what ways we are showing our true selves; the good, the bad, and the ugly, all of it, and being conscious of it all. And I think that's a great step to realizing how we're showing up for friendship, how we're showing up in the world, how we are creating our worlds<br /><br />We're not alone guys. and remember what I told you about the shame. I think that's when people who treat you as less than, succeed when you start feeling shame. They are exposing themselves. Do not allow shame to take over you. You are valuable. You are of great value. You're amazing and beautiful, and you're a friend of ours.<br /> </strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>This episode is about allowing and letting people expose their true selves. These are the people who think you don't count. When people don't count you as a real human being, people who discard you, your presence, your culture, and/or your appearance, as acceptable.</strong></span></span></p>
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<p class="lead">Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends:<br /><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a><br />CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS</p>
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                    <![CDATA[This is for anyone who's ever felt less than. It's not you. You are not less than.We should concentrate on taking care of our space and realizing in what ways we are showing our true selves; the good, the bad, and the ugly, all of it, and being conscious of it all. And I think that's a great step to realizing how we're showing up for friendship, how we're showing up in the world, how we are creating our worldsWe're not alone guys. and remember what I told you about the shame. I think that's when people who treat you as less than, succeed when you start feeling shame. They are exposing themselves. Do not allow shame to take over you. You are valuable. You are of great value. You're amazing and beautiful, and you're a friend of ours. 
This episode is about allowing and letting people expose their true selves. These are the people who think you don't count. When people don't count you as a real human being, people who discard you, your presence, your culture, and/or your appearance, as acceptable.

Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS

 
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>This is for anyone who's ever felt less than. It's not you. You are not less than.<br />We should concentrate on taking care of our space and realizing in what ways we are showing our true selves; the good, the bad, and the ugly, all of it, and being conscious of it all. And I think that's a great step to realizing how we're showing up for friendship, how we're showing up in the world, how we are creating our worlds<br /><br />We're not alone guys. and remember what I told you about the shame. I think that's when people who treat you as less than, succeed when you start feeling shame. They are exposing themselves. Do not allow shame to take over you. You are valuable. You are of great value. You're amazing and beautiful, and you're a friend of ours.<br /> </strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>This episode is about allowing and letting people expose their true selves. These are the people who think you don't count. When people don't count you as a real human being, people who discard you, your presence, your culture, and/or your appearance, as acceptable.</strong></span></span></p>
<div class="block-body p-0 mt-3 content-summary">
<p class="lead">Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends:<br /><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a><br />CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS</p>
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                    <![CDATA[This is for anyone who's ever felt less than. It's not you. You are not less than.We should concentrate on taking care of our space and realizing in what ways we are showing our true selves; the good, the bad, and the ugly, all of it, and being conscious of it all. And I think that's a great step to realizing how we're showing up for friendship, how we're showing up in the world, how we are creating our worldsWe're not alone guys. and remember what I told you about the shame. I think that's when people who treat you as less than, succeed when you start feeling shame. They are exposing themselves. Do not allow shame to take over you. You are valuable. You are of great value. You're amazing and beautiful, and you're a friend of ours. 
This episode is about allowing and letting people expose their true selves. These are the people who think you don't count. When people don't count you as a real human being, people who discard you, your presence, your culture, and/or your appearance, as acceptable.

Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS

 
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                    <![CDATA[Of Sound Body and Mind Friendships with Jacqueline Fusari ]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2023 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>This episode is about the communication with our own life force. It sounds kind of woo woo, I know, BUT we're talking about creating balance, having understanding, developing compassion for ourselves and being grounded so that we're better able to present in the world for ourselves and for others. We are joined by friend and acupuncturist Jacqueline Fusari as we discuss being centered on all levels from the physical to the emotional, to the spiritual level.<br /><br />Jacqueline teaches us that when it comes to communicating with ourselves and our bodies clearly, we can present ourselves authentically to others so that we're in the best place to make friends and communicate clearly. <br /><br />#Chi, #acupuncturist, #Acupressure, #Aikido, #martial art, #emotions, #life-force, #balance</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>To reach Jacqueline: <a href="https://www.fusariacupuncture.com/">https://www.fusariacupuncture.com/</a></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends:</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS</strong></span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This episode is about the communication with our own life force. It sounds kind of woo woo, I know, BUT we're talking about creating balance, having understanding, developing compassion for ourselves and being grounded so that we're better able to present in the world for ourselves and for others. We are joined by friend and acupuncturist Jacqueline Fusari as we discuss being centered on all levels from the physical to the emotional, to the spiritual level.Jacqueline teaches us that when it comes to communicating with ourselves and our bodies clearly, we can present ourselves authentically to others so that we're in the best place to make friends and communicate clearly. #Chi, #acupuncturist, #Acupressure, #Aikido, #martial art, #emotions, #life-force, #balance
To reach Jacqueline: https://www.fusariacupuncture.com/
Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends:
https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>This episode is about the communication with our own life force. It sounds kind of woo woo, I know, BUT we're talking about creating balance, having understanding, developing compassion for ourselves and being grounded so that we're better able to present in the world for ourselves and for others. We are joined by friend and acupuncturist Jacqueline Fusari as we discuss being centered on all levels from the physical to the emotional, to the spiritual level.<br /><br />Jacqueline teaches us that when it comes to communicating with ourselves and our bodies clearly, we can present ourselves authentically to others so that we're in the best place to make friends and communicate clearly. <br /><br />#Chi, #acupuncturist, #Acupressure, #Aikido, #martial art, #emotions, #life-force, #balance</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>To reach Jacqueline: <a href="https://www.fusariacupuncture.com/">https://www.fusariacupuncture.com/</a></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends:</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS</strong></span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This episode is about the communication with our own life force. It sounds kind of woo woo, I know, BUT we're talking about creating balance, having understanding, developing compassion for ourselves and being grounded so that we're better able to present in the world for ourselves and for others. We are joined by friend and acupuncturist Jacqueline Fusari as we discuss being centered on all levels from the physical to the emotional, to the spiritual level.Jacqueline teaches us that when it comes to communicating with ourselves and our bodies clearly, we can present ourselves authentically to others so that we're in the best place to make friends and communicate clearly. #Chi, #acupuncturist, #Acupressure, #Aikido, #martial art, #emotions, #life-force, #balance
To reach Jacqueline: https://www.fusariacupuncture.com/
Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends:
https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS]]>
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                    <![CDATA[We Are Each Other's Messages in Water- Veda Austin]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2023 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>We are speaking with water researcher, Veda Austin from New Zealand, to explore communication with something that connects all of us. This is truly getting into the art of communication. There is so much magic here that this episode reaches almost 2 hours, and there is so much more to explore!</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>There are connections, mysteries, and signs all around us. And so today, one of those signs, one of those amazing marvels, one of the truly profound noble entities beings in our world is water. We're gonna explore it, as one of the elements that connects us all.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>It's normal to become overwhelmed sometimes, get bewildered, and feel fragmented, separate, and alone. Sometimes life can even seem frightening. It can feel like it's just us against the world that we've been left behind, sometimes in some way, sometimes awashed by uncertainty in life. so we're here with the Art of Friendship and all of us here today, especially with Veda, in life in general, we're here together to support one another.<br /><br />We're here to remind each other, to snap each other out of this kind of falsehood that we're separate, not connected; to show each other the marvel, the nobleness that holds everything, connecting us, and holding all of existence together with perfect artistry. </strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>O</strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>ne of the truly profound noble entities beings in our world is water.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><br /> https://www.vedaaustin.com/</span></span></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>#Veda Austin,  #New Zealand, #water conference #The Story of Ushela, #Veda Karan, #The Bhagavad Gita, #Masaru Emoto,<br /><br />#life force energy, #sonic signature, ##messages in water, </strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>#Hinduism, #Buddhism, #Christianity, #Islam, #Judaism, #the Bahai, #Shinto, #Zoroastrian, #First Nation People, #</strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>spiritual truths,</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>#Dr. Masaru Emoto, #Laurent Costa, #Thomas Hieronymus, #Dr. Gerald Pollock's, #hydroglyphs, #Masaru Emoto's work, #"Stairway to Heaven", #Rumi, #unity consciousness, #Zoroastrianism, #animism</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS</strong></span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[We are speaking with water researcher, Veda Austin from New Zealand, to explore communication with something that connects all of us. This is truly getting into the art of communication. There is so much magic here that this episode reaches almost 2 hours, and there is so much more to explore!
There are connections, mysteries, and signs all around us. And so today, one of those signs, one of those amazing marvels, one of the truly profound noble entities beings in our world is water. We're gonna explore it, as one of the elements that connects us all.
It's normal to become overwhelmed sometimes, get bewildered, and feel fragmented, separate, and alone. Sometimes life can even seem frightening. It can feel like it's just us against the world that we've been left behind, sometimes in some way, sometimes awashed by uncertainty in life. so we're here with the Art of Friendship and all of us here today, especially with Veda, in life in general, we're here together to support one another.We're here to remind each other, to snap each other out of this kind of falsehood that we're separate, not connected; to show each other the marvel, the nobleness that holds everything, connecting us, and holding all of existence together with perfect artistry. 
One of the truly profound noble entities beings in our world is water.
 https://www.vedaaustin.com/
#Veda Austin,  #New Zealand, #water conference #The Story of Ushela, #Veda Karan, #The Bhagavad Gita, #Masaru Emoto,#life force energy, #sonic signature, ##messages in water, 
#Hinduism, #Buddhism, #Christianity, #Islam, #Judaism, #the Bahai, #Shinto, #Zoroastrian, #First Nation People, #spiritual truths,
#Dr. Masaru Emoto, #Laurent Costa, #Thomas Hieronymus, #Dr. Gerald Pollock's, #hydroglyphs, #Masaru Emoto's work, #"Stairway to Heaven", #Rumi, #unity consciousness, #Zoroastrianism, #animism
Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>We are speaking with water researcher, Veda Austin from New Zealand, to explore communication with something that connects all of us. This is truly getting into the art of communication. There is so much magic here that this episode reaches almost 2 hours, and there is so much more to explore!</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>There are connections, mysteries, and signs all around us. And so today, one of those signs, one of those amazing marvels, one of the truly profound noble entities beings in our world is water. We're gonna explore it, as one of the elements that connects us all.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>It's normal to become overwhelmed sometimes, get bewildered, and feel fragmented, separate, and alone. Sometimes life can even seem frightening. It can feel like it's just us against the world that we've been left behind, sometimes in some way, sometimes awashed by uncertainty in life. so we're here with the Art of Friendship and all of us here today, especially with Veda, in life in general, we're here together to support one another.<br /><br />We're here to remind each other, to snap each other out of this kind of falsehood that we're separate, not connected; to show each other the marvel, the nobleness that holds everything, connecting us, and holding all of existence together with perfect artistry. </strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>O</strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>ne of the truly profound noble entities beings in our world is water.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><br /> https://www.vedaaustin.com/</span></span></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>#Veda Austin,  #New Zealand, #water conference #The Story of Ushela, #Veda Karan, #The Bhagavad Gita, #Masaru Emoto,<br /><br />#life force energy, #sonic signature, ##messages in water, </strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>#Hinduism, #Buddhism, #Christianity, #Islam, #Judaism, #the Bahai, #Shinto, #Zoroastrian, #First Nation People, #</strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>spiritual truths,</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>#Dr. Masaru Emoto, #Laurent Costa, #Thomas Hieronymus, #Dr. Gerald Pollock's, #hydroglyphs, #Masaru Emoto's work, #"Stairway to Heaven", #Rumi, #unity consciousness, #Zoroastrianism, #animism</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS</strong></span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[We are speaking with water researcher, Veda Austin from New Zealand, to explore communication with something that connects all of us. This is truly getting into the art of communication. There is so much magic here that this episode reaches almost 2 hours, and there is so much more to explore!
There are connections, mysteries, and signs all around us. And so today, one of those signs, one of those amazing marvels, one of the truly profound noble entities beings in our world is water. We're gonna explore it, as one of the elements that connects us all.
It's normal to become overwhelmed sometimes, get bewildered, and feel fragmented, separate, and alone. Sometimes life can even seem frightening. It can feel like it's just us against the world that we've been left behind, sometimes in some way, sometimes awashed by uncertainty in life. so we're here with the Art of Friendship and all of us here today, especially with Veda, in life in general, we're here together to support one another.We're here to remind each other, to snap each other out of this kind of falsehood that we're separate, not connected; to show each other the marvel, the nobleness that holds everything, connecting us, and holding all of existence together with perfect artistry. 
One of the truly profound noble entities beings in our world is water.
 https://www.vedaaustin.com/
#Veda Austin,  #New Zealand, #water conference #The Story of Ushela, #Veda Karan, #The Bhagavad Gita, #Masaru Emoto,#life force energy, #sonic signature, ##messages in water, 
#Hinduism, #Buddhism, #Christianity, #Islam, #Judaism, #the Bahai, #Shinto, #Zoroastrian, #First Nation People, #spiritual truths,
#Dr. Masaru Emoto, #Laurent Costa, #Thomas Hieronymus, #Dr. Gerald Pollock's, #hydroglyphs, #Masaru Emoto's work, #"Stairway to Heaven", #Rumi, #unity consciousness, #Zoroastrianism, #animism
Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The War of Art and Clearing Self-Hatred - Peeling the Onion to Love]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2023 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>We're joined by our friend Marianne. </p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>We're joined by our friend Marianne and discuss the strange occurrence that happens when we do something creative when we start to feel a passion as you feel like, oh my God, I want to do this, or I want to say this, I want to experience this, there's a kind of inertia pulling us to the opposite extreme.  It's this opposing kind of dynamic that's happening. I feel like when we pursue our dreams and our dreams could be pursuing our voice, pursuing speaking the truth in the world, we are met with this kind of resistance. Steven Pressfield calls it "The War of Art". I<span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">t's a force that can stop you from doing what you're supposed to be doing. <br />If you don't value yourself, you'll always sell yourself short. </span></span></strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">In this episode, we explore a way to clear these things, these horrible, heavy, negative thoughts that keep us from our greatness, for striving for what we need. We strive for unlimitedness and feeling free.<br /></span></span><br />Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends:<br /><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a><br />CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS<br /><br /><br /> <span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">#Steven Pressfield </span></span>the War of Art,  #</strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>"Afterlife",  #Ricky Jervais, #cutting costs, #growth mode, #Business,  #cost-cutting mode,<br /><br /></strong></span></span><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[We're joined by our friend Marianne. 
We're joined by our friend Marianne and discuss the strange occurrence that happens when we do something creative when we start to feel a passion as you feel like, oh my God, I want to do this, or I want to say this, I want to experience this, there's a kind of inertia pulling us to the opposite extreme.  It's this opposing kind of dynamic that's happening. I feel like when we pursue our dreams and our dreams could be pursuing our voice, pursuing speaking the truth in the world, we are met with this kind of resistance. Steven Pressfield calls it "The War of Art". It's a force that can stop you from doing what you're supposed to be doing. If you don't value yourself, you'll always sell yourself short. In this episode, we explore a way to clear these things, these horrible, heavy, negative thoughts that keep us from our greatness, for striving for what we need. We strive for unlimitedness and feeling free.Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS #Steven Pressfield the War of Art,  #"Afterlife",  #Ricky Jervais, #cutting costs, #growth mode, #Business,  #cost-cutting mode,]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The War of Art and Clearing Self-Hatred - Peeling the Onion to Love]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>We're joined by our friend Marianne. </p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>We're joined by our friend Marianne and discuss the strange occurrence that happens when we do something creative when we start to feel a passion as you feel like, oh my God, I want to do this, or I want to say this, I want to experience this, there's a kind of inertia pulling us to the opposite extreme.  It's this opposing kind of dynamic that's happening. I feel like when we pursue our dreams and our dreams could be pursuing our voice, pursuing speaking the truth in the world, we are met with this kind of resistance. Steven Pressfield calls it "The War of Art". I<span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">t's a force that can stop you from doing what you're supposed to be doing. <br />If you don't value yourself, you'll always sell yourself short. </span></span></strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">In this episode, we explore a way to clear these things, these horrible, heavy, negative thoughts that keep us from our greatness, for striving for what we need. We strive for unlimitedness and feeling free.<br /></span></span><br />Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends:<br /><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a><br />CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS<br /><br /><br /> <span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">#Steven Pressfield </span></span>the War of Art,  #</strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>"Afterlife",  #Ricky Jervais, #cutting costs, #growth mode, #Business,  #cost-cutting mode,<br /><br /></strong></span></span><br /><br /></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[We're joined by our friend Marianne. 
We're joined by our friend Marianne and discuss the strange occurrence that happens when we do something creative when we start to feel a passion as you feel like, oh my God, I want to do this, or I want to say this, I want to experience this, there's a kind of inertia pulling us to the opposite extreme.  It's this opposing kind of dynamic that's happening. I feel like when we pursue our dreams and our dreams could be pursuing our voice, pursuing speaking the truth in the world, we are met with this kind of resistance. Steven Pressfield calls it "The War of Art". It's a force that can stop you from doing what you're supposed to be doing. If you don't value yourself, you'll always sell yourself short. In this episode, we explore a way to clear these things, these horrible, heavy, negative thoughts that keep us from our greatness, for striving for what we need. We strive for unlimitedness and feeling free.Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS #Steven Pressfield the War of Art,  #"Afterlife",  #Ricky Jervais, #cutting costs, #growth mode, #Business,  #cost-cutting mode,]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn Anderson]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The Art of Self Awareness]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2023 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>The whole platform for our podcast is the art of friendship, and at the root is the art of communication.<br /><br />In discussing self-awareness, taking a look at ourselves and how we operate. Getting to know who we truly are, how we react to things, what our history is, why we think a certain way, why we act a certain way, what makes us introverted?<br /><br />What makes us like an outgoing person? What makes us want to do what we're doing? Like, where does all that come from? Understanding that will help us to understand others.<br /><br /> SELF: (noun) a person's essential being that distinguishes them from others, especially considered as the object of introspection or reflexive action. A person's particular nature or personality, the quality that makes a person individual or unique. One's own interests or pleasure used ironically to refer to oneself as someone else. Like for example, "The only side worth supporting is your own sweet self. "Okay,<br /><br /> SELF (verb): Self Pollinate Self-fertilize. Here's an example. " A variety that selfs itself loses lots of vigor in the progeny".<br /><br />SELF: (adjective) of a trimming or cover of the same material and color as the rest of the item. "A dress with self belt". <br /><br /> link in the show notes https://www.estherperel.com/.<br /><br />do you feel like growing up you had protection more or did you have connection more like a sense of togetherness? <br /><br />Did you feel more protection from the family or did you feel a sense of connection and togetherness?<br /><br />what are your expectations of a friendship?</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;">Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends:</span></p>
<p><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/"><span style="font-size:medium;">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</span></a></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-size:medium;">CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS</span></strong></p>
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                    <![CDATA[The whole platform for our podcast is the art of friendship, and at the root is the art of communication.In discussing self-awareness, taking a look at ourselves and how we operate. Getting to know who we truly are, how we react to things, what our history is, why we think a certain way, why we act a certain way, what makes us introverted?What makes us like an outgoing person? What makes us want to do what we're doing? Like, where does all that come from? Understanding that will help us to understand others. SELF: (noun) a person's essential being that distinguishes them from others, especially considered as the object of introspection or reflexive action. A person's particular nature or personality, the quality that makes a person individual or unique. One's own interests or pleasure used ironically to refer to oneself as someone else. Like for example, "The only side worth supporting is your own sweet self. "Okay, SELF (verb): Self Pollinate Self-fertilize. Here's an example. " A variety that selfs itself loses lots of vigor in the progeny".SELF: (adjective) of a trimming or cover of the same material and color as the rest of the item. "A dress with self belt".  link in the show notes https://www.estherperel.com/.do you feel like growing up you had protection more or did you have connection more like a sense of togetherness? Did you feel more protection from the family or did you feel a sense of connection and togetherness?what are your expectations of a friendship?
Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends:
https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS
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                    <![CDATA[The Art of Self Awareness]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>The whole platform for our podcast is the art of friendship, and at the root is the art of communication.<br /><br />In discussing self-awareness, taking a look at ourselves and how we operate. Getting to know who we truly are, how we react to things, what our history is, why we think a certain way, why we act a certain way, what makes us introverted?<br /><br />What makes us like an outgoing person? What makes us want to do what we're doing? Like, where does all that come from? Understanding that will help us to understand others.<br /><br /> SELF: (noun) a person's essential being that distinguishes them from others, especially considered as the object of introspection or reflexive action. A person's particular nature or personality, the quality that makes a person individual or unique. One's own interests or pleasure used ironically to refer to oneself as someone else. Like for example, "The only side worth supporting is your own sweet self. "Okay,<br /><br /> SELF (verb): Self Pollinate Self-fertilize. Here's an example. " A variety that selfs itself loses lots of vigor in the progeny".<br /><br />SELF: (adjective) of a trimming or cover of the same material and color as the rest of the item. "A dress with self belt". <br /><br /> link in the show notes https://www.estherperel.com/.<br /><br />do you feel like growing up you had protection more or did you have connection more like a sense of togetherness? <br /><br />Did you feel more protection from the family or did you feel a sense of connection and togetherness?<br /><br />what are your expectations of a friendship?</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;">Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends:</span></p>
<p><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/"><span style="font-size:medium;">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</span></a></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-size:medium;">CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS</span></strong></p>
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                    <![CDATA[The whole platform for our podcast is the art of friendship, and at the root is the art of communication.In discussing self-awareness, taking a look at ourselves and how we operate. Getting to know who we truly are, how we react to things, what our history is, why we think a certain way, why we act a certain way, what makes us introverted?What makes us like an outgoing person? What makes us want to do what we're doing? Like, where does all that come from? Understanding that will help us to understand others. SELF: (noun) a person's essential being that distinguishes them from others, especially considered as the object of introspection or reflexive action. A person's particular nature or personality, the quality that makes a person individual or unique. One's own interests or pleasure used ironically to refer to oneself as someone else. Like for example, "The only side worth supporting is your own sweet self. "Okay, SELF (verb): Self Pollinate Self-fertilize. Here's an example. " A variety that selfs itself loses lots of vigor in the progeny".SELF: (adjective) of a trimming or cover of the same material and color as the rest of the item. "A dress with self belt".  link in the show notes https://www.estherperel.com/.do you feel like growing up you had protection more or did you have connection more like a sense of togetherness? Did you feel more protection from the family or did you feel a sense of connection and togetherness?what are your expectations of a friendship?
Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends:
https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS
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                                                                            <itunes:duration>00:55:04</itunes:duration>
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                    <![CDATA[The Art of Vulnerability ]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2023 01:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Defining friendship, we can see it as a combination of generosity and intimacy. How do we show up? How do we think we show up in every relationship and what value do we offer?<br /><br />On our podcast, we always tell you about the number one friend, number two friend and number three friend based on Aristotle's Nichomachian Ethics. Should we always be the kind of person people like to hang out with? That's one of our goals, being thoughtful about how we make another person feel. If someone is seeking those first two Nichomachin ways out in you, and that's it, that's not the true friend. However, they are important. So if a person is only hanging out with you because of how you make them feel and/or they're hanging out with you because of what they're getting from you, that is not true friendship. But they are valid qualities. Sometimes on your way to the true friend, you pass through these other levels.<br /><br />You're friends with somebody because they can get you something or, and then that gradually develops into something deeper.<br /><br />There are transition friends. There are friends who meet you when you first come to a place.<br /><br />They're not necessarily going to be your forever friends, but they welcome you in, and that's their job. and then they let you go in some manner, you go in different directions,<br /><br />We're talking about the level one, level two friends. And don't discredit that. Don't say that that's not necessarily a friendship. Because sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. But sometimes it is.<br /><br />#EstablishedHierarchy, #TheArtOfKnowingYourWeakness, #TheArtOfVulnerability, #TheArtOfMakingFriends, #TransitionFriends</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="center"><br /><br /></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;">Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends:</span></p>
<p><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/"><span style="font-size:medium;">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</span></a></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-size:medium;">CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS</span></strong></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Defining friendship, we can see it as a combination of generosity and intimacy. How do we show up? How do we think we show up in every relationship and what value do we offer?On our podcast, we always tell you about the number one friend, number two friend and number three friend based on Aristotle's Nichomachian Ethics. Should we always be the kind of person people like to hang out with? That's one of our goals, being thoughtful about how we make another person feel. If someone is seeking those first two Nichomachin ways out in you, and that's it, that's not the true friend. However, they are important. So if a person is only hanging out with you because of how you make them feel and/or they're hanging out with you because of what they're getting from you, that is not true friendship. But they are valid qualities. Sometimes on your way to the true friend, you pass through these other levels.You're friends with somebody because they can get you something or, and then that gradually develops into something deeper.There are transition friends. There are friends who meet you when you first come to a place.They're not necessarily going to be your forever friends, but they welcome you in, and that's their job. and then they let you go in some manner, you go in different directions,We're talking about the level one, level two friends. And don't discredit that. Don't say that that's not necessarily a friendship. Because sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. But sometimes it is.#EstablishedHierarchy, #TheArtOfKnowingYourWeakness, #TheArtOfVulnerability, #TheArtOfMakingFriends, #TransitionFriends

Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends:
https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Defining friendship, we can see it as a combination of generosity and intimacy. How do we show up? How do we think we show up in every relationship and what value do we offer?<br /><br />On our podcast, we always tell you about the number one friend, number two friend and number three friend based on Aristotle's Nichomachian Ethics. Should we always be the kind of person people like to hang out with? That's one of our goals, being thoughtful about how we make another person feel. If someone is seeking those first two Nichomachin ways out in you, and that's it, that's not the true friend. However, they are important. So if a person is only hanging out with you because of how you make them feel and/or they're hanging out with you because of what they're getting from you, that is not true friendship. But they are valid qualities. Sometimes on your way to the true friend, you pass through these other levels.<br /><br />You're friends with somebody because they can get you something or, and then that gradually develops into something deeper.<br /><br />There are transition friends. There are friends who meet you when you first come to a place.<br /><br />They're not necessarily going to be your forever friends, but they welcome you in, and that's their job. and then they let you go in some manner, you go in different directions,<br /><br />We're talking about the level one, level two friends. And don't discredit that. Don't say that that's not necessarily a friendship. Because sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. But sometimes it is.<br /><br />#EstablishedHierarchy, #TheArtOfKnowingYourWeakness, #TheArtOfVulnerability, #TheArtOfMakingFriends, #TransitionFriends</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="center"><br /><br /></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;">Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends:</span></p>
<p><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/"><span style="font-size:medium;">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</span></a></p>
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                    <![CDATA[Defining friendship, we can see it as a combination of generosity and intimacy. How do we show up? How do we think we show up in every relationship and what value do we offer?On our podcast, we always tell you about the number one friend, number two friend and number three friend based on Aristotle's Nichomachian Ethics. Should we always be the kind of person people like to hang out with? That's one of our goals, being thoughtful about how we make another person feel. If someone is seeking those first two Nichomachin ways out in you, and that's it, that's not the true friend. However, they are important. So if a person is only hanging out with you because of how you make them feel and/or they're hanging out with you because of what they're getting from you, that is not true friendship. But they are valid qualities. Sometimes on your way to the true friend, you pass through these other levels.You're friends with somebody because they can get you something or, and then that gradually develops into something deeper.There are transition friends. There are friends who meet you when you first come to a place.They're not necessarily going to be your forever friends, but they welcome you in, and that's their job. and then they let you go in some manner, you go in different directions,We're talking about the level one, level two friends. And don't discredit that. Don't say that that's not necessarily a friendship. Because sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. But sometimes it is.#EstablishedHierarchy, #TheArtOfKnowingYourWeakness, #TheArtOfVulnerability, #TheArtOfMakingFriends, #TransitionFriends

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                    <![CDATA[Don't Blame It On The Pandemic]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2023 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>I want to talk about the loneliness epidemic. People are talking about it like it's something that the pandemic brought about, but it's not. It has been here for a long time. The loneliness epidemic was here long before the 2019 pandemic, but people were more likely to speak about it, speak about the fact that they were at home alone, or they felt loneliness, that they felt like, wow, I don't have anyone near me. I don't have someone to turn to.<br /><br /> I want to say, don't blame the pandemic. This is something that's been here long before. It's been happening decade after decade. It came to a point where I think , and I've said this before, I think that people felt ashamed, that it was their fault that they didn't have any friends, which meant that there was something wrong with them.<br /><br />But what we noticed was throughout the decades, it was getting worse and worse, and that you are not at fault. People are not at fault. It's the way society has been moving towards is that, "let me do it on my own, you should do everything on your own. You should be self-sufficient. You should do everything by yourself. You should live by yourself."</strong></span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[I want to talk about the loneliness epidemic. People are talking about it like it's something that the pandemic brought about, but it's not. It has been here for a long time. The loneliness epidemic was here long before the 2019 pandemic, but people were more likely to speak about it, speak about the fact that they were at home alone, or they felt loneliness, that they felt like, wow, I don't have anyone near me. I don't have someone to turn to. I want to say, don't blame the pandemic. This is something that's been here long before. It's been happening decade after decade. It came to a point where I think , and I've said this before, I think that people felt ashamed, that it was their fault that they didn't have any friends, which meant that there was something wrong with them.But what we noticed was throughout the decades, it was getting worse and worse, and that you are not at fault. People are not at fault. It's the way society has been moving towards is that, "let me do it on my own, you should do everything on your own. You should be self-sufficient. You should do everything by yourself. You should live by yourself."]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>I want to talk about the loneliness epidemic. People are talking about it like it's something that the pandemic brought about, but it's not. It has been here for a long time. The loneliness epidemic was here long before the 2019 pandemic, but people were more likely to speak about it, speak about the fact that they were at home alone, or they felt loneliness, that they felt like, wow, I don't have anyone near me. I don't have someone to turn to.<br /><br /> I want to say, don't blame the pandemic. This is something that's been here long before. It's been happening decade after decade. It came to a point where I think , and I've said this before, I think that people felt ashamed, that it was their fault that they didn't have any friends, which meant that there was something wrong with them.<br /><br />But what we noticed was throughout the decades, it was getting worse and worse, and that you are not at fault. People are not at fault. It's the way society has been moving towards is that, "let me do it on my own, you should do everything on your own. You should be self-sufficient. You should do everything by yourself. You should live by yourself."</strong></span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[I want to talk about the loneliness epidemic. People are talking about it like it's something that the pandemic brought about, but it's not. It has been here for a long time. The loneliness epidemic was here long before the 2019 pandemic, but people were more likely to speak about it, speak about the fact that they were at home alone, or they felt loneliness, that they felt like, wow, I don't have anyone near me. I don't have someone to turn to. I want to say, don't blame the pandemic. This is something that's been here long before. It's been happening decade after decade. It came to a point where I think , and I've said this before, I think that people felt ashamed, that it was their fault that they didn't have any friends, which meant that there was something wrong with them.But what we noticed was throughout the decades, it was getting worse and worse, and that you are not at fault. People are not at fault. It's the way society has been moving towards is that, "let me do it on my own, you should do everything on your own. You should be self-sufficient. You should do everything by yourself. You should live by yourself."]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The Auger]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2023 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;">Today's topic is having anxiety about the future. Let's fix our mental and physical posture. Are we looking at the future that's not good but we're forced to pursue? This brings us to the one word for the podcast episode today, which is Auger. What does it mean and how can it help shape our fate?<br /><br /> Are we truly hopeful about the future? Are we OK with the direction that life is taking? It's about where are we going or not going. Is something happening too fast? Is something changing in your life that doesn't feel right? How many of us are feeling these things, and what can we do about it?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><br />     </span><span style="font-size:small;">Sometimes the future doesn't seem so great, especially when we rely on mass behavior, mass consciousness behavior, and the pack mentality. It seems to go towards a fearful area, which never bodes well. So what can we do? </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     Have you noticed that in history, things could be really, really rough, but there are people who can find ways to laugh, find ways to appreciate and find ways to enjoy life? That's where friendship comes in. Even going to a coffee shop or going somewhere that is peaceful and nourishing where people congregate and ask for the nourishment in that. Living and enjoying within the precise moment being completely in the now completely.<br /><br />Thought Exercise: At this moment are you warm enough? At the moment are you not safe? In this precise moment are you not surrounded by love? No matter how dire the situation, if you can bring it to that moment, you're still alive and you're still breathing. There is still hope, there is still peace with you. So, Thinking about that and if you can get yourself a cup of coffee or a cup of tea, that calms and soothes you. Can you relish in that and with the company of someone else? Can you try to think of things that are funny?<br /><br />     Let's look at the future in a positive way, because we're going to create it to be that way. We're not going to listen to the doom that's been prognosticated. We're gonna create a better future. We're gonna hang out with some cool people. We're gonna find them if we don't have them, we're gonna seek them out and find them, because trust me, they're out there looking for us. And we're going to laugh in the face of doom and gloom and create a better future together. And that is true art right there, friends!<br /><br />     Inside of all of us, there are two wolves. There is the Wolf of Hope and the Wolf of Fear. Which one are you gonna feed?<br /><br />     Find people out there. You are always surrounded by people that are your friends. They're also looking for you, and all you have to do is just say hello or look at them longer than you normally would, and when they notice you looking at them, share your heart with a genuine smile. I emphasize the word genuine. Let it come from your heart, from the way you're feeling. So it may not be a happy smile, but if it's a genuine smile, the smile could convey, yes, you're in pain, but you're, you're very happy to be in the presence of this other human being. And that is the spark of friendship right there. <br /><br /> REMEMBER: No fate, but what we make.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends:</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS</strong><br /><br />#ZenStories, #aPositiveAttitudeTowardsLife, #NoFateButWhatWeMake, #Auger, #TwoWolves, #TheArtOfFriendship, #OurFriendlyWorldWithFawnAndMattPodcast, #ArtOfFriendship, #PickingUpOnMassConsciousness, </span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[Today's topic is having anxiety about the future. Let's fix our mental and physical posture. Are we looking at the future that's not good but we're forced to pursue? This brings us to the one word for the podcast episode today, which is Auger. What does it mean and how can it help shape our fate? Are we truly hopeful about the future? Are we OK with the direction that life is taking? It's about where are we going or not going. Is something happening too fast? Is something changing in your life that doesn't feel right? How many of us are feeling these things, and what can we do about it?
     Sometimes the future doesn't seem so great, especially when we rely on mass behavior, mass consciousness behavior, and the pack mentality. It seems to go towards a fearful area, which never bodes well. So what can we do? 
     Have you noticed that in history, things could be really, really rough, but there are people who can find ways to laugh, find ways to appreciate and find ways to enjoy life? That's where friendship comes in. Even going to a coffee shop or going somewhere that is peaceful and nourishing where people congregate and ask for the nourishment in that. Living and enjoying within the precise moment being completely in the now completely.Thought Exercise: At this moment are you warm enough? At the moment are you not safe? In this precise moment are you not surrounded by love? No matter how dire the situation, if you can bring it to that moment, you're still alive and you're still breathing. There is still hope, there is still peace with you. So, Thinking about that and if you can get yourself a cup of coffee or a cup of tea, that calms and soothes you. Can you relish in that and with the company of someone else? Can you try to think of things that are funny?     Let's look at the future in a positive way, because we're going to create it to be that way. We're not going to listen to the doom that's been prognosticated. We're gonna create a better future. We're gonna hang out with some cool people. We're gonna find them if we don't have them, we're gonna seek them out and find them, because trust me, they're out there looking for us. And we're going to laugh in the face of doom and gloom and create a better future together. And that is true art right there, friends!     Inside of all of us, there are two wolves. There is the Wolf of Hope and the Wolf of Fear. Which one are you gonna feed?     Find people out there. You are always surrounded by people that are your friends. They're also looking for you, and all you have to do is just say hello or look at them longer than you normally would, and when they notice you looking at them, share your heart with a genuine smile. I emphasize the word genuine. Let it come from your heart, from the way you're feeling. So it may not be a happy smile, but if it's a genuine smile, the smile could convey, yes, you're in pain, but you're, you're very happy to be in the presence of this other human being. And that is the spark of friendship right there.  REMEMBER: No fate, but what we make.
Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends:
https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS#ZenStories, #aPositiveAttitudeTowardsLife, #NoFateButWhatWeMake, #Auger, #TwoWolves, #TheArtOfFriendship, #OurFriendlyWorldWithFawnAndMattPodcast, #ArtOfFriendship, #PickingUpOnMassConsciousness, 
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;">Today's topic is having anxiety about the future. Let's fix our mental and physical posture. Are we looking at the future that's not good but we're forced to pursue? This brings us to the one word for the podcast episode today, which is Auger. What does it mean and how can it help shape our fate?<br /><br /> Are we truly hopeful about the future? Are we OK with the direction that life is taking? It's about where are we going or not going. Is something happening too fast? Is something changing in your life that doesn't feel right? How many of us are feeling these things, and what can we do about it?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><br />     </span><span style="font-size:small;">Sometimes the future doesn't seem so great, especially when we rely on mass behavior, mass consciousness behavior, and the pack mentality. It seems to go towards a fearful area, which never bodes well. So what can we do? </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">     Have you noticed that in history, things could be really, really rough, but there are people who can find ways to laugh, find ways to appreciate and find ways to enjoy life? That's where friendship comes in. Even going to a coffee shop or going somewhere that is peaceful and nourishing where people congregate and ask for the nourishment in that. Living and enjoying within the precise moment being completely in the now completely.<br /><br />Thought Exercise: At this moment are you warm enough? At the moment are you not safe? In this precise moment are you not surrounded by love? No matter how dire the situation, if you can bring it to that moment, you're still alive and you're still breathing. There is still hope, there is still peace with you. So, Thinking about that and if you can get yourself a cup of coffee or a cup of tea, that calms and soothes you. Can you relish in that and with the company of someone else? Can you try to think of things that are funny?<br /><br />     Let's look at the future in a positive way, because we're going to create it to be that way. We're not going to listen to the doom that's been prognosticated. We're gonna create a better future. We're gonna hang out with some cool people. We're gonna find them if we don't have them, we're gonna seek them out and find them, because trust me, they're out there looking for us. And we're going to laugh in the face of doom and gloom and create a better future together. And that is true art right there, friends!<br /><br />     Inside of all of us, there are two wolves. There is the Wolf of Hope and the Wolf of Fear. Which one are you gonna feed?<br /><br />     Find people out there. You are always surrounded by people that are your friends. They're also looking for you, and all you have to do is just say hello or look at them longer than you normally would, and when they notice you looking at them, share your heart with a genuine smile. I emphasize the word genuine. Let it come from your heart, from the way you're feeling. So it may not be a happy smile, but if it's a genuine smile, the smile could convey, yes, you're in pain, but you're, you're very happy to be in the presence of this other human being. And that is the spark of friendship right there. <br /><br /> REMEMBER: No fate, but what we make.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends:</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>CALL TO ACTION: PLEASE SHARE OUR PODCAST WITH OTHERS</strong><br /><br />#ZenStories, #aPositiveAttitudeTowardsLife, #NoFateButWhatWeMake, #Auger, #TwoWolves, #TheArtOfFriendship, #OurFriendlyWorldWithFawnAndMattPodcast, #ArtOfFriendship, #PickingUpOnMassConsciousness, </span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>The Auger - TRANSCRIPT</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Welcome back everybody. Hello, . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:05]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> What? That's how I always enter </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> the show. Uh, you sound like a parrot. That's all you say is Hello. Hello? Hello . Hello. My friends used to say that when something was wrong, or when something was just askew. Hello. Hello, hello. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:21]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Well, and oftentimes if you get into an argument with somebody, and they're not saying anything, you'll say hello, because that's like hello.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:27]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> A </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:27]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> whole, like you need to say something to that. Hello? Yeah. There's a word you can say in different ways though, means so many different things. I guess you can say that with any word, right? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:36]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Dude. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:37]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Or one letter.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:38]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Dude,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:39]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> remember the letter A a. . A!, if you say a in an aggravated way, it stops people in their tracks no matter what </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:48]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> truth.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> <strong>Today's topic is having anxiety about the future.</strong> Do you remember the image I always talk about? It makes me laugh when I look at certain runners, people who are jogging. Some of them, if you look, actually, I wanna say half of them. I look at them and I start laughing because, Their upper half of their body is leaning backwards.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I've talked about this before, guys, I'm sorry, but </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:14]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> chilling like Bob Dylan,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:16]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> no upper half of the body is leaning back and their face is like, oh, no, no. It's like they're in a car going somewhere they don't wanna go. , but their legs are forced to run fast, so their legs are like going fast. But if you look at their upper half, it doesn't tell the story of I'm enjoying my run and I'm headed for the future in a bright, optimistic fashion.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:42]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> So not an inspirational poster. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It's an inspirational poster to fix your posture, , to<strong> fix your mental and physical posture. Because why are you forcing yourself to do something you don't wanna do? And are you looking at the future in a way that's not comfortable, but you're forced to pursue?</strong> So you and I got into an argument yesterday.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:10]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Do you remember what it. It was a brief argument. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:15]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Okay. No, I don't </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:16]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> You don't remember ? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:18]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Oh dear. This </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:18]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> is gonna be bad. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> All right. So I chose not to listen or look at the tv. God,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:22]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> that's right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Right. I was listening to the radio right. And I was listening to it for a few hours while I was in the kitchen.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Mm-hmm. . And it was, it was all really loud. I, I wanted it that way because, . I really love music, but I'm, I'm, I'm a special breed when it comes to music because if I don't, if I'm not vibing, it literally is torture for me to listen to certain things. ie Matt's music sometimes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:56]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Always like Matt's music. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:58]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> No, he says that all the time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:59]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It's not true. I actually love Matt's music, but Matt wakes up five hours before I do. He usually wakes up when I'm going to bed . And so when I come around and we're going somewhere together, it's within 30 minutes of me having woken up if I'm, if I hadn't meditated and we're in the car and he's blaring his European, um, what kind of metal?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Is it European?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:25]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> European Prague Or Power Metal. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:28]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Power metal. You guys, it is, it makes me crazy. Makes me feel violent. My goodness. Because I'm not ready for it. I just, I just started the day. But that's the whole power. Power. You're five hours, you're </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:39]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> never ready for it. That's why it's so brilliant. Okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:42]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It disturbs.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:43]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It's, it's, It, it angrifies me . So I was listening to the radio for a few hours, I listened to this one particular station that was, I guess, what was it like, rock. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:58]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> It was, it was album oriented rock from the seventies, eighties and nineties. Also </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:02]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> the sixties actually. So I listened to things from the sixties, seventies, and eighties and nineties, a whole range</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:10]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Okay, so Matt always asks me, why are you looking at this TV right now? Because first of all, we have that movie. So why are you watching that movie on tv? Meaning it's aired on television, which means it has commercials and stuff like that. And the only explanation I can give is I'm literally picking up on what's going on in the world.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I feel like I'm <strong>picking up on mass consciousness.</strong> I'm getting messages from the tv. Mm-hmm. . And it's not like anything that's said or anything that's shown, I feel certain things. It's just my way of seeing. It's my crystal ball in a way. It's an intuitive, it's something that's happened since I was a little kid.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:55]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And so yesterday I used the radio for the same purpose. I'm like, let me see what's going on. and Matt every, and you guys, every song was Total Doomsday and it, that's what I was picking up. I'm not saying that they curated the music to be that, but I'm like, wow, this is what the population is listening to</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:22]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> and. It </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:24]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> and you said, wow, all these songs are really depressing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:27]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> They were depressing, they were scary. It was all about, I felt the end of the world. I felt like not hope for the future. Things are really messed up. Things are scary, things are not right. Um, like end of the days kind of feeling. Mm-hmm.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:47]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> <strong>which brings us to the one word for the podcast episode today, which is Auger.</strong> Auger. Let me just get into the definitions.<strong> It's really helpful when you look at a written definition for you to understand the true meaning of life in a way.</strong> So here we go, <strong>auger. , an event or circumstance, circum an event or a circumstance, portend a good or a bad outcome. A similar word for auger would be bode, portend, herald, foreshadow, indicate, signify signal, predict prognosticate.</strong> You get the picture. <strong>The noun comes from in ancient Rome,</strong> guys, remember we talked about the blue jay a few episodes back, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> <strong>a religious official who observed natural signs, especially the behavior of birds, Interpreting these as an indication of divine approval or disapproval of a proposed action. A similar word would be seer, soothsayer, clairvoyant.</strong> You get the point. <strong>To auger is to predict or indicate. Auger means to be a sign or omen of something, to say that an event or occurance</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> <strong>augers well for the future means that it is a sign or promise of good things to come.</strong> And that's what I wanna focus on today. The good things to come because I believe, yes, there's a lot happening right now. There is so much anxiety. The conversations that I've been listening to in various different formats, whether it's what I've noticed in, places that things are broadcasted, like movies, television, news, radio, songs that are created, conversations, I'm listening to at the coffee shops, it seems like there's so much anxiety about the future.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:59]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And that's why I started talking about the runner. It's like, uh, I don't wanna go. <strong>Are we truly hopeful about the future?</strong> And I feel like for the most part, no. And I feel like since the year began let's just take a look at our friends circle.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:15]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> There has been, major surgeries. People moving all of a sudden fights in the family. Lots of people got covid. Just like bizarre things happening. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:25]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> In my circle. Yes. Uh, the great divorces, tech layoff has affected one or two people in my circle. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Oh my goodness.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And in the world, thousands and thousands of tech layoffs. Right. So there's a. Unrest. Yes. So, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:42]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> yes, and in point of fact, there was a once in a generation storm that hit the Northeast. Oh yeah. You know, the weather itself is, I mean, we're just breaking records left and right. Well, I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> mean, You know, they're, they're flooding in California.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:57]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I mean, there are certain people that we've been talking to who refuse climate change </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:03]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> snow in Texas, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:05]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> , I don't know how to say this, it feels like, and it looks like everything's really messed up. And what does this have to do with friendship? . What does this have to do with, I'm gonna bring it back.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:17]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> This, this has to do with the art of friendship . I have a solution so bear with me . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Matt, is the person who brought the word auger to me, and I thought it was ogre, and I thought what? He was just pronouncing it differently. But if I take auger and I bring it to ogre, , which is a mean, it's like a fairytale like mean, ugly monster who eats people </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:44]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> very big, very strong.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:46]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It kind of makes sense, right to the auger, it's augering events in the future it's like , we are seeing the future as not so great. Perhaps it's like an ogre situation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:59]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> The whole having anxiety about the future. the fear and doom, the way people are behaving.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I've been having extreme pain in my foot. I looked up the spiritual reason for this particular pain that I've been having. And it's about<strong> the direction that life is taking. It's about where are we going or not going. Is something happening too fast?</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> <strong>Is something changing in your life that doesn't feel right? How many of us are feeling these things, and what can we do about it?</strong> This comes into play with the art of friendship, loneliness, all of that. What can we do about it?<strong> So yeah, the future doesn't seem so great, especially when we rely on mass behavior, mass consciousness behavior, the pack mentality. It seems to go towards a fearful area, which never bodes well. So what can we do? Have you ever noticed certain people in times of insecurity, when you hear a mother suddenly humm and baking a cake or humming and just doing something in the kitchen; for me that, that sounds, not that I ever heard that really in my life, but I do it.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> <strong> When I think about it, it makes me feel calm. It makes me feel like all is well, the humming sound or the sound of birds chirping, and especially the sound of people laughing. , Laughing in a happy way, laughing from enjoyment. And how many people have you noticed it could have been in a movie even it doesn't matter. But have you noticed that in history, things could be really, really rough. But there are people who can find ways to laugh, find ways to appreciate and find ways to enjoy life, and that's where the friendship comes in.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:05]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> <strong>Even going to a coffee shop or going somewhere that is peaceful and nourishing where people congregate and asking for the nourishment in that. Living and enjoying within the precise moment being completely in the now completely.</strong> There was a time that I was in major trouble.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:30]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I had a crazy stalker after me. and, um, I was on a photo shoot that morning. I hadn't slept. It was a traumatic time and I, I told you guys this story before, but basically the gist of it was that I was standing in front of my friend who was on the photo shoot with me, who was the director, and she kept asking me, in these words, child of God, are you happy?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:57]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I'm like, what? , are you insane? Because she knew what was happening. , she knew what was happening. Right. Everyone was on alert. Right? The whole building was pretty much on kind of a lockdown situation. Mm-hmm. . And so she's like, are you happy right now? I'm like, no, I'm not happy. And so she kept asking me and every time she asked me, she had me be completely in the moment.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> <strong>In the moment. Are you warm? In the moment are you not safe? In this precise moment are you not surrounded by love? No matter how dire the situation, if you can bring it to that moment, you're still alive and you're still breathing. There is still hope, there is still peace with you. So, Thinking about that and if you can get yourself a cup of coffee or a cup of tea, that calms and soothes you. Can you relish in that and with the company of someone else? Can you try to think of things that are funny?</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:02]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> When I first met, It was not a funny time in my life. I met Matt when I was having trouble at a job. It was horrible. And after work I would go to Aikido in tears. So, and that's where I met Matt, was in the Aikido school.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And what would you say to me, Matt? You were talking about absurdity when life gets absurd, you had a saying, well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:28]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> it was the gist of it was when life becomes that absurd, you can't help but laugh and just go with it because the world is gonna buffet you, wherever it's gonna buffet.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:41]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> You </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:42]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> might as well have a good time. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:43]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> You might as well understand that it's ludicrous, right? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Once you acknowledge. Is ludicrousity a word? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:52]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:52]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> is now . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:55]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Once you acknowledge that everything feels better and you're able to move forward and you become a runner that is running towards the future, leaning into it with total, badassness like, yeah, come on, let's go, let's go.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> <strong>Let's look at the future in a positive way, because we're going to create it to be that way. We're not going to listen to the doom that's been prognosticate. We're gonna create a better future. We're gonna hang out with some cool people. We're gonna find them if we don't have them, we're gonna seek them out and find them, because trust me, they're out there looking for us.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:37]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> <strong>And we're going to laugh in the face of doom and gloom and create a better future together. And that is true art right there, friends!</strong> And that is the art of friendship. And that's my message for today. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:54]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> There's actually, there are many <strong>Zen stories</strong>. One's zen story that I remember the first time I ever witnessed it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:01]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> It was in a American cartoon, believe it, or. , but it concerns this guy who gets chased by a tiger off a cliff. He grabs onto a branch daunting depth beneath him. Okay? And then on the side of the cliff, so the tiger's on top of the cliff growling and like if he goes up, he's done right. There's a catastrophic fall underneath.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:28]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And there's a little tiny little vine and a strawberry on the end of it. I swear to God. and the zen story is, or the story tells us that the man picks the strawberry and eats it, and it was the most delicious thing he'd ever tasted. Roll credits, . I kid you not. and zen stories are meant to be unpacked, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:57]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> you know, it's, it's, it is and isn't what it seems, but it means that enjoy the moment, whatever that moment is, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:07]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> and that strawberry could give you the life force to defeat the tiger, to, to go a different way, like to climb sideways. Maybe don't fall down, don't go up, but climb sideways. Anything. Find some, you know, some other way, wherever the strawberry came from.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:24]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And again, the things that are interesting is when I, I remember speaking with a friend about this, but one of the many, singers I'm fond of in the metal arenas, very versatile. He's a pilot. He's was on the fencing team for his country. He's a great singer, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:41]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And I've lately been less enthused with him. , but he had cancer and it was amazing. Like I looked over at the guy and he's like, yeah, it's in remission. And I was, I was like, of course it is. Because it was never in doubt that it would be, he's got such <strong>a positive attitude towards life.</strong> Who is this? The Bruce Dickinson.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:00]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Okay. . And then I actually recently Flo out Flo, Floor Jansen, who's, Ooh, the best female singer, period. Alive today. Oh, I said it. She had cancer as well. She beat it again, positive attitude cuz she has a very positive attitude too. So it's, you know, it's about, a lot of, it's about attitude. A lot of it's about, you know, there , there's a million pithy sayings.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:27]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Of course,<strong> inside of all of us, there are two wolves. There is the Wolf of Hope and the Wolf of Fear. Which one are you gonna feed?</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:37]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And we can say that coming from personal experience and Matt's done this, do you mind if I say sort of, sort of, sort of, there was a point where Matt was in the hospital and they basically were like, that's it, and Matt beat it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> and you said you throughout the whole process, you didn't doubt </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:08]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Not for a second, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:09]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> not for a second. And I remember there was one point at the height of it where they were like rushing around and they, they were taking you into surgery for like the second. and it looked really crazy bad. And they told me, whatever they told me, I just looked at you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It's like something took over me and my voice and I looked at you. I said, you're gonna be okay. You're gonna be okay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:44]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And you were, I mean, by some miracle, like it was such a, a miracle that today I still feel like. , did it actually happen or did I collapse into some sort of delirium over losing you that I'm living this dream life where we're living together? Do you know what I'm saying? The, the, the impact of that, that moment.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Mm-hmm. was so scary that it's changed me forever. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:15]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I get it. However, if you were living that dream life, I probably wouldn't piss you off so much.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Okay, so , so I, I, I bring this up just to say that we're, we're speaking from personal experience and it is a mindset. And if you have trouble with that mindset, lean on us.<strong> Find people out there. And like I said, you are always surrounded by them. You are always surrounded by people that are your friends.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> <strong>They're also looking for you, and all you have to do is just say hello or look at them longer than you normally would, and when they notice you looking at them, share your heart with a genuine smile. I emphasize the word genuine. Let it come from your heart, from the way you're you're feeling. So it may not be as happy smile, but if it's a genuine smile, the smile could convey, yes, you're in pain, but you're, you're very happy to be in the presence of this other human being.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:31]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> <strong>And that is the spark of friendship right there. </strong>Am I wrong? You're right anything you wanna add to that? Matt, you, you had a different definition for auger. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:43]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Well, an augur, nevermind. It's not with eu, it's with an ee. So it's it, it all gets </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:47]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> tricky. So many spellings, so many different things. Language is very holy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Language is holy. Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:55]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Well, it goes through evolutions. If, if we all spoke the same language, that was exactly the way it was spoken 2000 years ago, you know, there'd be a lot less, whatever, 10,000 years ago, whatever it is, there'd be a lot less kind of confusion about it really, you know, really you think?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:16]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> except for we would do things like we'd call computers. They'd have a very long name. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Well be coming from the culture I come from, you know, I've been speaking with some friends that also speak the language that I was born speaking. Mm-hmm. , there are so many words that you cannot translate into English.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:35]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Right. They're always, there's really frustra. . It's really frustrating because in one word you would probably need three sentences in English to describe that one word. Yes. And there are certain words that just don't even exist in other languages. It's just, um, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:50]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:50]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> vice versa. Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:52]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So the only thing we can depend on is the language of the heart, which is emotion.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:58]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Right. And you can do that in total silence, like I said. Smiling. You know, there's one way through looking at each other in the eyes. But what do you do when you're blind? You can still feel it. You can feel the energetic field and all the information that's in there. You can feel it. Matt is looking weird right now.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> What's that look for? Nothing in particular. Am I being too </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:27]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> hippy? No, I was just thinking about my God. So when I was in high school, just to completely diffuse what you were saying, which is terrible and I shouldn't do this, but we were literally taught, I was in Spanish class and we were literally taught the brown was Color de cafe, which is the color of coffee as opposed to maron, which is another way of speaking it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:49]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> But anyways, I'm sorry. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> We'll have no idea what what I was saying, but that's it. Do you have anything else to add? Every time we're done with a podcast episode and I press the stop button, he's like, but you didn't give me a chance to say this. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:02]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> That's right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:03]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So what is it now?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:04]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Nothing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:05]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> What? Just, you always say </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:06]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:07]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Okay. So I've been through literally everything that you had in mind, except my quote for Terminator two. What?<strong> No fate, but what we make. </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:17]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> All right,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:22]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I have no idea how I was gonna squeeze that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> one in. And, and that's it. It's like, please, let's stop having the pack mentality of doom and gloom. And if everyone else is like, oh, terribleness, let's just start a party. and. and we, I, I do believe that that kind of thing can transform where we're headed and where we're headed is a peaceful, loving, fun time, a clean time where the earth is, well taken care of, that all human beings, all living beings are taken care of, that everything is love that everything is copacetic, . Anyway, love you guys. Thanks for listening. That's it for today. I think. Reach out to us and talk to me or to Matt and you know how to do that, just go to our website, our Friendly World. What is it again, Matt , </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:23]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I think so. . Oh dear. Anyway, it's in the link below. Sorry we just had so many. We've had so many websites. Okay. Talk to you guys later. Thank you for listening. Be well. Bye.</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Today's topic is having anxiety about the future. Let's fix our mental and physical posture. Are we looking at the future that's not good but we're forced to pursue? This brings us to the one word for the podcast episode today, which is Auger. What does it mean and how can it help shape our fate? Are we truly hopeful about the future? Are we OK with the direction that life is taking? It's about where are we going or not going. Is something happening too fast? Is something changing in your life that doesn't feel right? How many of us are feeling these things, and what can we do about it?
     Sometimes the future doesn't seem so great, especially when we rely on mass behavior, mass consciousness behavior, and the pack mentality. It seems to go towards a fearful area, which never bodes well. So what can we do? 
     Have you noticed that in history, things could be really, really rough, but there are people who can find ways to laugh, find ways to appreciate and find ways to enjoy life? That's where friendship comes in. Even going to a coffee shop or going somewhere that is peaceful and nourishing where people congregate and ask for the nourishment in that. Living and enjoying within the precise moment being completely in the now completely.Thought Exercise: At this moment are you warm enough? At the moment are you not safe? In this precise moment are you not surrounded by love? No matter how dire the situation, if you can bring it to that moment, you're still alive and you're still breathing. There is still hope, there is still peace with you. So, Thinking about that and if you can get yourself a cup of coffee or a cup of tea, that calms and soothes you. Can you relish in that and with the company of someone else? Can you try to think of things that are funny?     Let's look at the future in a positive way, because we're going to create it to be that way. We're not going to listen to the doom that's been prognosticated. We're gonna create a better future. We're gonna hang out with some cool people. We're gonna find them if we don't have them, we're gonna seek them out and find them, because trust me, they're out there looking for us. And we're going to laugh in the face of doom and gloom and create a better future together. And that is true art right there, friends!     Inside of all of us, there are two wolves. There is the Wolf of Hope and the Wolf of Fear. Which one are you gonna feed?     Find people out there. You are always surrounded by people that are your friends. They're also looking for you, and all you have to do is just say hello or look at them longer than you normally would, and when they notice you looking at them, share your heart with a genuine smile. I emphasize the word genuine. Let it come from your heart, from the way you're feeling. So it may not be a happy smile, but if it's a genuine smile, the smile could convey, yes, you're in pain, but you're, you're very happy to be in the presence of this other human being. And that is the spark of friendship right there.  REMEMBER: No fate, but what we make.
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>"Friendship is the hardest thing in the world to explain. It's not something you learn in school, but if you haven't learned the meaning of friendship, you haven't learned anything"- Muhammad Ali. <br /><br />" Friendship is a priceless gift that cannot be bought nor sold, but its value is far greater than a mountain made of gold. For gold is cold and lifeless. It can neither see nor hear. In times of trouble, it's powerless cheer. It has no ears to listen, no heart to understand. It cannot bring you comfort or reach out a helping hand. So when you ask God for a gift, be thankful if sends not diamonds, pearls, or riches but the love of real, true friends."- Muhammad Ali on friendship.<br /><br /> Be honest and open about how you're feeling, and sometimes you need to express things that you know, that certain things that come outta your mouth sound terrible, but you need to unwrap it and understand why you're having these feelings. It doesn't mean that they're true, but there are so many things to unwrap. There are so many things to understand. It feels complicated,<br /><br /><br /><br />"Me, We" back to our community, back to the world is a small town and everyone is your friend. It sounds like everybody's your friend...weeeeee! No. Some friends are nasty, but they still guide you to where you need to be.<br /><br />Everyone says, oh, that's where friendships are made, is in school. That it's so much harder to make friends when you're older that the kids are so lucky because that's the opportunity and it's really not. It's like you're forced to be in a situation and these are acquaintances. You're not really thinking about true friendship and what is true friendship, and you're not taught relationships. We're not taught in school the most vital thing to learn to do anything in your life. We need to relearn how to relate to one another. How we can understand one another. How can we be heard? How can we be good listeners? How? There are so many “hows,” and we're not taught any of that. It's straight to reading, writing, and arithmetic. And maybe if you're lucky enough, if the school's gifted enough, some art; which is so backward.<br /><br />What do we do when the world/life looks and feels like it's beyond repair? Some examples are global warming, disasters, climate change...you know what I'm saying? It's such a mammoth thing to take on as opposed to realizing that we are infinite beings. We are powerful beyond measure. We are supernatural. By mere imagination, we can create so much beauty and transformation within a second, a split second.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Fawn has been on overload the past few days and she breaks down on this episode. And although she can't talk about exactly what the issue is at this point, perhaps you can relate to the emotion.<br /><br /> So how can we learn friendship? Well, you listen to our podcast. “The meaning of friendship” definitely needs to be a huge subject taught in school and not just taught one time, but starting from preschool and keep going through college. It needs to be a huge curriculum.<br /><br /> What does it mean to be a friend? What does it really mean? You don't have to answer that right now, but let's contemplate that. Let's explore it. Let's ask our other friends, what is the meaning of friendship. Let's come back to it. What do you think?<br /><br /> Also, putting ourselves out there to be open to making new friends is like working out. It's a muscle and sometimes you don't wanna do it. And sometimes it hurts after a workout. It feels like you're not doing anything, but it's like, ow. I use muscles I normally don't use. So sometimes it can be a little painful, and uncomfortable, but you grow, and you get stronger.<br /><br />Pay attention. Keep yourself open.<br /></strong></span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA["Friendship is the hardest thing in the world to explain. It's not something you learn in school, but if you haven't learned the meaning of friendship, you haven't learned anything"- Muhammad Ali. " Friendship is a priceless gift that cannot be bought nor sold, but its value is far greater than a mountain made of gold. For gold is cold and lifeless. It can neither see nor hear. In times of trouble, it's powerless cheer. It has no ears to listen, no heart to understand. It cannot bring you comfort or reach out a helping hand. So when you ask God for a gift, be thankful if sends not diamonds, pearls, or riches but the love of real, true friends."- Muhammad Ali on friendship. Be honest and open about how you're feeling, and sometimes you need to express things that you know, that certain things that come outta your mouth sound terrible, but you need to unwrap it and understand why you're having these feelings. It doesn't mean that they're true, but there are so many things to unwrap. There are so many things to understand. It feels complicated,"Me, We" back to our community, back to the world is a small town and everyone is your friend. It sounds like everybody's your friend...weeeeee! No. Some friends are nasty, but they still guide you to where you need to be.Everyone says, oh, that's where friendships are made, is in school. That it's so much harder to make friends when you're older that the kids are so lucky because that's the opportunity and it's really not. It's like you're forced to be in a situation and these are acquaintances. You're not really thinking about true friendship and what is true friendship, and you're not taught relationships. We're not taught in school the most vital thing to learn to do anything in your life. We need to relearn how to relate to one another. How we can understand one another. How can we be heard? How can we be good listeners? How? There are so many “hows,” and we're not taught any of that. It's straight to reading, writing, and arithmetic. And maybe if you're lucky enough, if the school's gifted enough, some art; which is so backward.What do we do when the world/life looks and feels like it's beyond repair? Some examples are global warming, disasters, climate change...you know what I'm saying? It's such a mammoth thing to take on as opposed to realizing that we are infinite beings. We are powerful beyond measure. We are supernatural. By mere imagination, we can create so much beauty and transformation within a second, a split second.
Fawn has been on overload the past few days and she breaks down on this episode. And although she can't talk about exactly what the issue is at this point, perhaps you can relate to the emotion. So how can we learn friendship? Well, you listen to our podcast. “The meaning of friendship” definitely needs to be a huge subject taught in school and not just taught one time, but starting from preschool and keep going through college. It needs to be a huge curriculum. What does it mean to be a friend? What does it really mean? You don't have to answer that right now, but let's contemplate that. Let's explore it. Let's ask our other friends, what is the meaning of friendship. Let's come back to it. What do you think? Also, putting ourselves out there to be open to making new friends is like working out. It's a muscle and sometimes you don't wanna do it. And sometimes it hurts after a workout. It feels like you're not doing anything, but it's like, ow. I use muscles I normally don't use. So sometimes it can be a little painful, and uncomfortable, but you grow, and you get stronger.Pay attention. Keep yourself open.]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>"Friendship is the hardest thing in the world to explain. It's not something you learn in school, but if you haven't learned the meaning of friendship, you haven't learned anything"- Muhammad Ali. <br /><br />" Friendship is a priceless gift that cannot be bought nor sold, but its value is far greater than a mountain made of gold. For gold is cold and lifeless. It can neither see nor hear. In times of trouble, it's powerless cheer. It has no ears to listen, no heart to understand. It cannot bring you comfort or reach out a helping hand. So when you ask God for a gift, be thankful if sends not diamonds, pearls, or riches but the love of real, true friends."- Muhammad Ali on friendship.<br /><br /> Be honest and open about how you're feeling, and sometimes you need to express things that you know, that certain things that come outta your mouth sound terrible, but you need to unwrap it and understand why you're having these feelings. It doesn't mean that they're true, but there are so many things to unwrap. There are so many things to understand. It feels complicated,<br /><br /><br /><br />"Me, We" back to our community, back to the world is a small town and everyone is your friend. It sounds like everybody's your friend...weeeeee! No. Some friends are nasty, but they still guide you to where you need to be.<br /><br />Everyone says, oh, that's where friendships are made, is in school. That it's so much harder to make friends when you're older that the kids are so lucky because that's the opportunity and it's really not. It's like you're forced to be in a situation and these are acquaintances. You're not really thinking about true friendship and what is true friendship, and you're not taught relationships. We're not taught in school the most vital thing to learn to do anything in your life. We need to relearn how to relate to one another. How we can understand one another. How can we be heard? How can we be good listeners? How? There are so many “hows,” and we're not taught any of that. It's straight to reading, writing, and arithmetic. And maybe if you're lucky enough, if the school's gifted enough, some art; which is so backward.<br /><br />What do we do when the world/life looks and feels like it's beyond repair? Some examples are global warming, disasters, climate change...you know what I'm saying? It's such a mammoth thing to take on as opposed to realizing that we are infinite beings. We are powerful beyond measure. We are supernatural. By mere imagination, we can create so much beauty and transformation within a second, a split second.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Fawn has been on overload the past few days and she breaks down on this episode. And although she can't talk about exactly what the issue is at this point, perhaps you can relate to the emotion.<br /><br /> So how can we learn friendship? Well, you listen to our podcast. “The meaning of friendship” definitely needs to be a huge subject taught in school and not just taught one time, but starting from preschool and keep going through college. It needs to be a huge curriculum.<br /><br /> What does it mean to be a friend? What does it really mean? You don't have to answer that right now, but let's contemplate that. Let's explore it. Let's ask our other friends, what is the meaning of friendship. Let's come back to it. What do you think?<br /><br /> Also, putting ourselves out there to be open to making new friends is like working out. It's a muscle and sometimes you don't wanna do it. And sometimes it hurts after a workout. It feels like you're not doing anything, but it's like, ow. I use muscles I normally don't use. So sometimes it can be a little painful, and uncomfortable, but you grow, and you get stronger.<br /><br />Pay attention. Keep yourself open.<br /></strong></span></span>Pick up your free copy of Fawn's workbook on making friends here: </p>
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                    <![CDATA["Friendship is the hardest thing in the world to explain. It's not something you learn in school, but if you haven't learned the meaning of friendship, you haven't learned anything"- Muhammad Ali. " Friendship is a priceless gift that cannot be bought nor sold, but its value is far greater than a mountain made of gold. For gold is cold and lifeless. It can neither see nor hear. In times of trouble, it's powerless cheer. It has no ears to listen, no heart to understand. It cannot bring you comfort or reach out a helping hand. So when you ask God for a gift, be thankful if sends not diamonds, pearls, or riches but the love of real, true friends."- Muhammad Ali on friendship. Be honest and open about how you're feeling, and sometimes you need to express things that you know, that certain things that come outta your mouth sound terrible, but you need to unwrap it and understand why you're having these feelings. It doesn't mean that they're true, but there are so many things to unwrap. There are so many things to understand. It feels complicated,"Me, We" back to our community, back to the world is a small town and everyone is your friend. It sounds like everybody's your friend...weeeeee! No. Some friends are nasty, but they still guide you to where you need to be.Everyone says, oh, that's where friendships are made, is in school. That it's so much harder to make friends when you're older that the kids are so lucky because that's the opportunity and it's really not. It's like you're forced to be in a situation and these are acquaintances. You're not really thinking about true friendship and what is true friendship, and you're not taught relationships. We're not taught in school the most vital thing to learn to do anything in your life. We need to relearn how to relate to one another. How we can understand one another. How can we be heard? How can we be good listeners? How? There are so many “hows,” and we're not taught any of that. It's straight to reading, writing, and arithmetic. And maybe if you're lucky enough, if the school's gifted enough, some art; which is so backward.What do we do when the world/life looks and feels like it's beyond repair? Some examples are global warming, disasters, climate change...you know what I'm saying? It's such a mammoth thing to take on as opposed to realizing that we are infinite beings. We are powerful beyond measure. We are supernatural. By mere imagination, we can create so much beauty and transformation within a second, a split second.
Fawn has been on overload the past few days and she breaks down on this episode. And although she can't talk about exactly what the issue is at this point, perhaps you can relate to the emotion. So how can we learn friendship? Well, you listen to our podcast. “The meaning of friendship” definitely needs to be a huge subject taught in school and not just taught one time, but starting from preschool and keep going through college. It needs to be a huge curriculum. What does it mean to be a friend? What does it really mean? You don't have to answer that right now, but let's contemplate that. Let's explore it. Let's ask our other friends, what is the meaning of friendship. Let's come back to it. What do you think? Also, putting ourselves out there to be open to making new friends is like working out. It's a muscle and sometimes you don't wanna do it. And sometimes it hurts after a workout. It feels like you're not doing anything, but it's like, ow. I use muscles I normally don't use. So sometimes it can be a little painful, and uncomfortable, but you grow, and you get stronger.Pay attention. Keep yourself open.]]>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Barry Lane, the ambassador of love and kindness, troubadour for loving-kindness is with us again, this time from Uvalde, Texas. Barry travels all over the place and he not only teaches kindness, but he spreads kindness everywhere. He goes to schools. He works with children, he's given TED Talks.<br /><br />In this episode, we discuss what is stronger love or hate?  How do you mend a broken heart? Where to find love when it seems all we see is a "prickly cactus"?<br /><br /><br />Everybody is operating from some sort of trauma. Everyone has pain.  Everyone's doing their best going through whatever they're going through. EVERYONE is literally operating at their highest capacity. Now, that may not mean that they're operating to your standards, to your standards, they're just operating from the best way that they can live. And that goes with friendship. </strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">Barry is visiting with the children and teachers who were inside the massacre at Uvalde and we take some time to discuss how we can heal, and how we can be there for each other to create a loving world despite what we are experiencing that is far from kind. We find out where love lives. We take a love pledge.</span></span></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>This episode will soothe and nourish you. Barry sings to us. Make sure to listen to the very last song at the end of the episode. It will help.<br /><br />#WhatIsStrongerLoveOrHate  #Uvalde #LoveIsEternal #HealingABrokenHeart<br /><br /></strong></span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/a-kind-world-with-special-guest-barry-lane/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/a-kind-world-with-special-guest-barry-lane/</a></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/a-kind-world-finding-freedom-and-truth-during-a-tumultuous-time-with-barry-lane/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/a-kind-world-finding-freedom-and-truth-during-a-tumultuous-time-with-barry-lane/</a></span></p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>To Reach Barry:<br /><br /><a href="https://www.barrylane.com/">https://www.barrylane.com/</a></strong></span></span></p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzimmQaLzo8">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzimmQaLzo8</a></strong></span></span></p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>Love and Hate and How to Heal a Broken Heart with Barry Lane - TRANSCRIPT</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Hello everybody.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:01]</span> <span style="color:#de4a1d;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Hello. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Welcome back. We have a beautiful, beautiful surprise for you today. Our friend Barry is back. Barry is here. Hi Barry. </span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Barry Lane, the ambassador of love and kindness, troubadour for loving-kindness is with us again, this time from Uvalde, Texas. Barry travels all over the place and he not only teaches kindness, but he spreads kindness everywhere. He goes to schools. He works with children, he's given TED Talks.In this episode, we discuss what is stronger love or hate?  How do you mend a broken heart? Where to find love when it seems all we see is a "prickly cactus"?Everybody is operating from some sort of trauma. Everyone has pain.  Everyone's doing their best going through whatever they're going through. EVERYONE is literally operating at their highest capacity. Now, that may not mean that they're operating to your standards, to your standards, they're just operating from the best way that they can live. And that goes with friendship. 
Barry is visiting with the children and teachers who were inside the massacre at Uvalde and we take some time to discuss how we can heal, and how we can be there for each other to create a loving world despite what we are experiencing that is far from kind. We find out where love lives. We take a love pledge.
This episode will soothe and nourish you. Barry sings to us. Make sure to listen to the very last song at the end of the episode. It will help.#WhatIsStrongerLoveOrHate  #Uvalde #LoveIsEternal #HealingABrokenHearthttps://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/a-kind-world-with-special-guest-barry-lane/
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Love and Hate and How to Heal a Broken Heart with Barry Lane - TRANSCRIPT
[00:00:00] FAWN: Hello everybody.
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Barry Lane, the ambassador of love and kindness, troubadour for loving-kindness is with us again, this time from Uvalde, Texas. Barry travels all over the place and he not only teaches kindness, but he spreads kindness everywhere. He goes to schools. He works with children, he's given TED Talks.<br /><br />In this episode, we discuss what is stronger love or hate?  How do you mend a broken heart? Where to find love when it seems all we see is a "prickly cactus"?<br /><br /><br />Everybody is operating from some sort of trauma. Everyone has pain.  Everyone's doing their best going through whatever they're going through. EVERYONE is literally operating at their highest capacity. Now, that may not mean that they're operating to your standards, to your standards, they're just operating from the best way that they can live. And that goes with friendship. </strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">Barry is visiting with the children and teachers who were inside the massacre at Uvalde and we take some time to discuss how we can heal, and how we can be there for each other to create a loving world despite what we are experiencing that is far from kind. We find out where love lives. We take a love pledge.</span></span></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>This episode will soothe and nourish you. Barry sings to us. Make sure to listen to the very last song at the end of the episode. It will help.<br /><br />#WhatIsStrongerLoveOrHate  #Uvalde #LoveIsEternal #HealingABrokenHeart<br /><br /></strong></span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/a-kind-world-with-special-guest-barry-lane/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/a-kind-world-with-special-guest-barry-lane/</a></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/a-kind-world-finding-freedom-and-truth-during-a-tumultuous-time-with-barry-lane/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/a-kind-world-finding-freedom-and-truth-during-a-tumultuous-time-with-barry-lane/</a></span></p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>To Reach Barry:<br /><br /><a href="https://www.barrylane.com/">https://www.barrylane.com/</a></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><a href="https://www.forcefieldforgood.com/">https://www.forcefieldforgood.com/</a></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzimmQaLzo8">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzimmQaLzo8</a></strong></span></span></p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>Love and Hate and How to Heal a Broken Heart with Barry Lane - TRANSCRIPT</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Hello everybody.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:01]</span> <span style="color:#de4a1d;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Hello. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Welcome back. We have a beautiful, beautiful surprise for you today. Our friend Barry is back. Barry is here. Hi Barry. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:12]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> Hi. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Great to be back. So good to have you back. You all know Barry came to visit us when we moved. Barry is a dear friend of ours, he's a family member. He's also been on our podcast before, a few times.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> A couple times, right? I wanna say the first one was, um, I think it was February 28th, 2021, . And then the last one was when we were going through total hardship. It was April of 2022. And we were talking about hardship in the world and how you can still find happiness and kindness even though the world is in such turmoil.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:50]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And we talked about love, of course. Barry, of course, if you remember, if you don't just go back to the previous episodes, the links are in the notes and on our podcast. Type in <strong>Barry Lane</strong> and you'll find the other episodes, but <strong>what you associate with Barry</strong>, our friend Barry <strong>is a kind world</strong>.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> <strong>He is the ambassador of love and kindness</strong> . He's actually, what were we riffing on? <strong>The Ambassador and trubador for loving kindness.</strong> The Jim Morrison of Kindness, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:30]</span> <span style="color:#de4a1d;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Open Door to Kindness, which led us to Jim Morrison of the Doors. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:35]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Of course. Sorry. Sorry guys. We were totally having a conversation before we actually pressed the record button.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:41]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So Barry is here. Everyone, welcome back Barry. Hi Barry. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:45]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> Thank you riders on the storm </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:50]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> <strong>Barry travels all over the place and he not only teaches kindness, but he spreads kindness everywhere. He goes to schools. He works with children, </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:02]</span> <span style="color:#de4a1d;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> <strong>he's given TED Talks. </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:03]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> You could find more about Barry, just go to forcefield for good.com. Everything, all the links are in our show notes . So we've been talking to Barry. We talk to Barry all the time. Thank goodness. We love him so much. So what we were riffing on yesterday was. The following, <strong>what is stronger love or hate?</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Which is something Matt talks about all the time. ,<strong> what is stronger love or hate? How do you know this? How do you mend a broken heart, which we also got into last week, how do you mend a broken heart? Uh, where does love? , how do you find love in all the wrong places?</strong> How do you find love in all the wrong places?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:48]</span> <span style="color:#de4a1d;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Oh my goodness. That sounds like Country Western Song, . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:52]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> <strong>And the big question, should we even look</strong> right? That's a big one, right? Wow. Of course we should, but it's interesting. Should we or shouldn't we? I don't know. Let's talk to Barry. Barry. Hello. Welcome </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:05]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> back. I was thinking about that song when, when I, whenever I think of that song, I think of Eddie Murphy doing his riff on that song.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:14]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> Eddie Murphy. Yeah, he did. If you're looking it up, you'll see it online. He looking for love in all the wrong places. Is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> that when he did his own album? Is that his singing album? Yeah, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:24]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> he had this voice he used to do, he had this kind of voice, but, but uh, yeah. It's funny because that song. actually. When you think about that song, what do you think about, you think, what's the wrong place to look for love?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:38]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> You know, of course a song like that might be don't find your boyfriend or girlfriend in a bar or something like that. But maybe the deeper level of that is do you look for love and that prickly person that you just met, you know, or who, who said something unkind to you or whatever. And um, I always think of Anne of Green Gables when I think of</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:00]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> that kind of thing. Anna, I know that that's one of Matt's favorite books. Hey, I have </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:05]</span> <span style="color:#de4a1d;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> read Anna Green Gables. Okay. We have, I have, I have two daughters. So it's really, it's important to, you know, look at, you know, seminal works for young readers, period. And that was one I did not read as a young man. Or as a </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:19]</span> <span style="color:#de4a1d;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> young boy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:20]</span> <span style="color:#de4a1d;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Oh, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:21]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> wonderful. Well, you know, there's a school marmee lady, I don't even know where her name was. I, I didn't even read it. I just watched the PBS show, . Uh, but the, uh, but there was a school marmee lady that always gives Anne a real hard time, and she's busting her chops all the time, and she's trying to do creative teaching in a school that, you know, she wants all the trains to run on time and she's just being nasty and she's so unkind to her.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:45]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> Right. And even. , uh, her reaction to her is she doesn't like, she doesn't take revenge on her. She says, just come to Green Gables and coming to Green Gables you<strong> see the layer, </strong>she starts to unlayer that woman and you start to see underneath her prickliness. I was just in Tucson yesterday.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:05]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> <strong>Underneath that prickly cactus inside, there's all this sweet juice</strong> that's just... in Israel that's what they call Sabras. They call people who live in Israel, young people sabras, which is after the cactus, in other words,<strong> on the outside, the rough and rugged on inside their sweet and juice.</strong> And, and you start to see her face change and everything about her changes, when she learns to let down that thing, you know?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:32]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> Our society trains people I think to "other" people like that, those are the people, people backed by about, do you believe that woman, what she said to her, you know, Anne would be like talking trash about her all the time to other, if she was like, you know, on Facebook, you know, do you believe that lady?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:48]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> She says, think she's a teacher, or she does, is like ragg on the kids, whatever. What's wrong with her? You know, whatever. But you know, no, she. , she looks for love there, you know, and certainly she finds it because sometimes you find what you're looking for. Um, sometimes , it's as simple as that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:08]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> Yeah. You find it what you're looking for. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:13]</span> <span style="color:#de4a1d;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Well, yeah. Especially for me, I think </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:15]</span> <span style="color:#de4a1d;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> like the more prickly the person, it's like once you actually. get into it and really get a sense of starting to understand them, those can be the most loyal people. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . And they're so strong in their beliefs, and they're so strong as far as like rushing to defend you and everything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:35]</span> <span style="color:#de4a1d;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I mean, they're very honest and open because, you know, here I am, deal with </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:40]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> me, . Mm-hmm. , I think they're more open because it's rare to have someone actually give the time, give them the time of day. You know, it's rare to have someone just be there and not have judgment and just be there and keep gracing them with attention, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> You know, with a loving, kind, soft silent gaze. You know, without any judgment. And I think that when they realize that you're doing that, yeah, they are loyal to you. And I think it's also, the whole thing comes about of people not being noticed as kind when they're, they seem prickly is because there's such a lack of time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:25]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And I think people just don't give it enough of that. They don't give enough time to get to know a person, and they have very good reason for being prickly. You know, they have been hurt so much. But I think if we just allow for that grace that it shows up on both sides. Uh, they open up and we end up seeing something amazing, and if we just keep going through, always in a hurry, not noticing the beauty,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:56]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> right. Then. Yeah. We miss all these beautiful people that are quite lovely, right. Barry . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:06]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> Yeah. It's sort of a, I, how would you describe it? You know, I, and I worked a lot my, most of my career, I still do. I work with teachers about teaching writing, and elementary school teachers are very different than high school English teachers, , , high school English teachers,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:23]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> they can be like, you know, like storm troopers for grammar or whatever it is, right? But they tend to, but they also tend to have a much higher sense of themselves as professionals, which is a good thing sometimes, you know, I think sometimes, and I think they can be a lot more prickly. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:40]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> And I think sometimes people are prickly because they have, like you say, cuz they have a good reason to be. And so maybe someone like Brene Brown, I think I heard her talk recently and she talked about like, um, can we assume that everybody is doing the best they can? As soon as you make that assumption, as soon as you make that assumption, all judgment</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:05]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> is just disappears. But, it's so easy to other, you know, I, yes. I want to make this bumper sticker that said more mothering, less othering. . Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:16]</span> <span style="color:#de4a1d;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> uh, Fawn says all the time, everybody's working at their highest capacity. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Someone told me that I remember being mad at someone and I wanted this person to be on my side about it and go, yeah, Fawn, that was terrible.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:29]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Oh, but they didn't, they're like, they're doing the very best they can. I'm like, how can you say that about this person? And I don't remember what the situation was, but it happened a lot with different people. And she basically told me, look, everybody's operating at their highest capacity. So, and then it made me think of all the other people that I've met who, who mentioned that, you know, this is before the term hurt people, hurt people</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:57]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> became known, but like for example, I was working at a design studio and there was this one vendor who would come in and show us whatever we needed to work with, with tiles and things like that. And he was so gruff and he was so mean. He was mean . And one of the designers I worked with just turned to me and said, you know what?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I think he's in pain, physical pain. Oh. And as soon as she mentioned that the next time we saw him, he was in pain. Like no amount of, um, no amount of, uh, medication could relieve the pain he was in and it was constant and he had to still work and go meet people and drive across town and Right. Lift heavy things and be kind constantly cuz he was in sales.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:47]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. . . But as soon as he realized that, we realized that he was nice to us. . . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:54]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> Because you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:55]</span> <span style="color:#de4a1d;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> were nice to him. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:56]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Well, because we realized something was going on, right? We realized something beyond the superficial like robotic thing that we all have to go through cuz you have to work and you have to present a face and you have to get your job done.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:10]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> You're not a human being. Do you know what I'm saying? Like you have to just get your job done, suck it up. Right. And like, don't show your, don't show any emotion. Don't show your true self. Get the job done well, you just have to get the job done right? And so anyway, that's where I first heard that. And then, then I heard from our other friend who was like, look, everyone's doing their best.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:34]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And made me think of like the family I grew up with. And I'm like, yes, that's something I've been thinking about my whole life, but I only thought about my family, but that's really the whole world. <strong>Everybody is operating from some sort of trauma ev. Everyone has pain. You're a human being. You're gonna have all the flavors, you're gonna have all the emotions living on planet Earth and everyone's doing their best going through whatever they're going through.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:04]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> <strong>They're literally quite operating at their highest capacity. Now, that may not mean that they're operating to your standards, to your standards, they're just operating from the best way that they can live.</strong> Do you know what I'm saying? Absolutely.<strong> And that goes with friendship. Like I have the highest standards for friends, and I've come to realize that</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:30]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> <strong>most people don't have the same standards I do. And as soon as I can come to terms with that, then I actually can find friends better because there's less pressure that people feel from me and there's less pressure that I feel from the world.</strong> </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:46]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> I think it's a, I've been teaching kids about . UMBUNTU mm. You guys say it? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. like a bun bun, but, but yeah. 2, 2, 2, 2. It's cool. It's a cool, it has a word that has three Us in it, very in English, but it very rarely have that. How do you spell it? And it's a word, U M B U N T U. It's I can't do it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:20]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> I can't do the clicks. But it's a Kosi word, South Africa. It's a word that Desmond Tutu always talked about in South Africa, which is the Umbuntu spirit of the people. And this is what I've learned, actually wrote a song about it. Do you wanna hear the song? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:34]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Yes, please. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:37]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> Oh yeah. Okay. Here's a song it's called.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:41]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> it's called The Umbutu Song, . So in English, we don't have a word for this. You'd have to almost say a whole paragraph. You'd have to say it's about seeing other peoples as if they are you. You could say a simplest way I've heard it put is I am because we are, And I said that to my wife, who's my best song critic, Carol Lee and I, and she said, well, that's true, but it's also true that we are because I am.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:09]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> And, and, uh, so here's the song. It's called </span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:38]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Thank you, Barry. Ah, it's always </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:41]</span> <span style="color:#de4a1d;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> nice to have a performance on the show. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:44]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Thank you so much, Barry. We love you so much. So let's go back to the first question. <strong>What is stronger love or hate?</strong> . Mm </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:52]</span> <span style="color:#de4a1d;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> God. It's difficult to weigh in, isn't </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> it? What does that even mean, that question? So when you pose that question, Barry, what were you thinking?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:01]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> Well, I do this to kids all the time. Actually. It's a part of the work that I do with the force field for good, especially with old, older kids. It's not a question you wanna pop on a kindergartner all the time. But it is, it's one of the, those great philosophical questions. And , in elementary school, almost unanimously, kids will say love almost.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:19]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> Mm-hmm. by reflex, you know? Right. Uh, unless there's things going on in, in town and things are happening, and I can give examples of that, but I'm working in Uvalde, Texas tomorrow. Mm-hmm. going back again. I was there in September, you know, and there they had a quite, it was like a Voldemort experience, right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:40]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> That happened there. If you know the Harry Potter books, where there was a very, of course, horrible thing. Uh, you know, horrific thing that happened and continues to happen so many places in America. And so the next question, so I was at a school in Minnesota, but before I went to <strong>Uvalde</strong>, I</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:02]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> didn't know how to prepare cuz here is September. Well how do you prepare for something like that? Basically school ended after the shooting. And here we are going in September and I'm gonna be the <strong>first person to meet all these kids and teachers. And uh, how do you prepare for that?</strong> And, uh, The only way I realized it wasn't about me doing a performance. I realized I had to get all ego out of the way and just make myself like a hollow reed.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:28]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> There's a high prayer. It goes like this, oh God, make me a hollow reed from which the pith of self hath been blown. Sort of like, how do I become a channel for healing or for God's light or for whatever you want to call it. You don't have to use the word God. You could say just the force of light and for healing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:48]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> And so I prayed and prayed about that and some amazing things happened there, which I'm not gonna go into all of it, but I would say, because of that, experience, but, Two months before I had gone to a school in Minnesota and I'd asked the question, what's stronger love or hate? And this was a fifth grade class that they were older kids.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:09]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> And this little girl goes, well hate because hate can crush your heart. And then I thought, wow. And then that stuck in my mind. I, I try to, Wow. You know, talk more about it with her, with the class. And we talked about it more and tried to, to make a good pitch for love , like Right, of course. But salesman.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:31]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> Salesman. But now, but it, but it stuck with me that question, and I thought, and when I went to Uvalde in September, I got the answer you to that. I got the answer. And in other words, the answer, you can get the, you can say, well, love is stronger because of blah, blah, blah, or, and it is, it's love is, but I got the answer and I can share that with you guys.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:53]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> Yes, please. After this, After this commercial break, , </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:57]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> excuse me. . Uh, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:00]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> oh dear. No, no. It sounds like a, it sounds like I have the answer, but the answer is really more of a question, which is, uh, the answer is that love, when you have love in your heart. So one of the things I do with kids, do a little meditation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:17]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> We sit and, um, my friend, um, Michael Jolly, he created this wonderful meditation app, which I'll give a plug for. It's called Solu, s o l u l s o l u. And it's, you can get it on your phone and uh, whatever. And we sit and I have kids, we do a, a pledge allegiance to their heart. The very last class I taught in Uvalde, which kind of.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:44]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> Uh, something magical happened. Uh, um, I wrote on the board, I pledge allegiance to my heart and I said, what if we wrote a pledge allegiance to my heart cuz I was in, this is Texas, you not only do the pledge allegiance to the country, you do the pledge to Texas too. Wow. They have two pledges they do in the morning.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:06]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> And uh, and I remember, you know, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God, which was put in by Eisenhower, by the way, indivisible or we used to always say invisible . One invisible nation that no one can see. , uh, with liberty and justice for all, you know.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:28]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> And I said, what if we did a pledge for the heart? So I put my hands, but instead of doing one hand, do both actually hold your heart, you know, that expression hold your heart in your hands. And we do that when we sat. And this is how this work has gone for me, cuz I started doing that when I heard a friend of mine, Helen Matheney, she has some work she does called Be Kind.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:52]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> It's like a thing. And she told me there's some in Vietnam doing this heart meditation with kids and just watching kids with their eyes closed, with their hands, holding their heart is a much very powerful image just to see. So I said, what if we wrote a pledge alegiance to his fifth grade Uvaldi Dual Language Academy?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:11]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> They speak English and Spanish. Wonderful school, by the way. I said to them, let's write. Can we write it? I said, yeah, what would the first line be? And this is totally unedited. These are just kids raising their hand. First line: "I will always be true to myself". Wow. Next line another kid puts hand up: "I will show Grace to myself and to others."</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:38]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> Kind of like Anne of Green Gables did to the Mean Lady . Uh, and the next line, love this little girl. She goes:" love will always matter." And then she pauses for a minute and goes, "even when I'm mad". , . And then, and then this next hand goes up in the back of the room, actually had this on video. Somebody videoed it for me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:02]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> This the last line, last hand goes up and goes, "I won't let the sun go down on my anger." And then, so all I did was add the final line, which is "I will choose the kinder path." I will choose the kinder path. I will choose the kinder path. I did it like a mantra three times. So put your hands over your heart and repeat after me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:28]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> I pledge allegiance to my heart. I pledge to, I pledge allegiance to my, my heart. I will always stay true to myself. I, I will always stay true, true to to myself, myself. Love will always matter. Love. Love will always, always, always matter, matter. Even when I'm mad. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:49]</span> <span style="color:#de4a1d;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Even, even when, when I'm mad, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:51]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> mad , I won't let the sun go down on my anger.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:57]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:57]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> will not let the sun, sun go </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:59]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> down, down on my anger. I will choose the kinder path. I will choose, I will choose the the kinder path I, I will choose the kinder path. I'll choose the kinder path.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:13]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> Yes, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> always. We have a thing when we fight someone in the house has to say love is winning . And sometimes we end up yelling it because as soon as we hear it, it kind of makes us laugh. But we're still mad. Even when I'm mad love is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:29]</span> <span style="color:#de4a1d;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> winning.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:33]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> when you think about it, people when they kind of, when. When they fall into what Eckhart Tolle would call unconsciousness with Eckhart Tolle, refuses to use the word evil, which I think is good in a way because evil almost makes it too much of a power. You know, it makes it like, oh, there are these bad villains everywhere.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:54]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> You know? And maybe there are people who you could call define it evil, but the reality is, uh, unconscious is probably a, more accurate description, you know, because it's really, they're not conscious of their heart or their, or. of, of Umbutu spirit or whatever. Even even the our wonderful golden rule do unto, unto others as you'd have them do unto, unto you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:20]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> It, it assumes that there are others. You know, it assumes that, uh, you know, sort of like if it was the Umbutu golden rule would be do unto unto us as you'd have do unto, unto us . It wouldn't assume the othering of the world, you know? Right. And. . And when you make those kinds of, there's a power there that's like Jedi level power to be able to wield that in the world.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:45]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> That was Martin Luther King level power or Mandela. When he gets outta jail and says, I'm not gonna, you know, he's not gonna go, you know, payback's a bitch. He's not going to take it out on you guys. He's gonna say wait a minute. We all make ourselves. We are all one.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:02]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> And, we saw what your hate did to you, and we're not gonna let that hate do it to us to crush our spirits and, uh, and your heart. So you need to build a roof over your heart. So everyone take your index finger now, you guys, and make a heart out of your index finger on both hands. , look at me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:22]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> Uh, yeah. Make sure you're doing it right. Yeah. . Yeah. You got, now you see you've got the extra fingers. Put your extra fingers on top and now your heart has a. a roof over its head. You know your heart. So there's a song I wrote called Quiet Your Mind, and the, the last verse of that, it was written for Uvalde before I went.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:43]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> And the story, I don't know, uh, the story about that song is that, uh, I wrote a draft of it and my first draft was more like, Kind of a 60s song and all you need is love. It was kind of like that. And I showed it to my wife and she said, well, it's not very good . And I said, I said, why? She said, because you can't tell kids that everything is okay when horrible things have happened, when their whole lives have fallen apart when their parents are divorced or where they're, someone's died or people have been shot or just horrible things .</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:18]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> People's world does fall apart. So one of the verse, so she wrote the rewrote the whole, she's amazing. She, she doesn't write, but she rewrites amazingly. Um, there's a verse called, that goes like this, that she wrote, like, uh, there's a calm voice deep within me that whispers in my heart, ear, heart, ear. Uh, when I learn to breathe more slowly, I can teach myself to hear my own inner stillness,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:47]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> my own peace of heart, my own loving kindness when my world falls apart. And that line, my world falls apart. She said, could, is that a line in a kid song? You know? And, and we, and I realize, yeah, it is. You know, I, I quiet my mind and leave the past behind. Breathe in, breathe out. Be right here where I can find myself beyond time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:17]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> and I have nothing to fear. And that, that, that's what this<strong> song is about, that myself, beyond time, that kids can stand in the truth of the most awful moment and find peace in their heart, and adults can do that too.</strong> Mm-hmm. . And yet it's, uh, it sounds glib to say it, but it, uh, there's a great truth there that you can crush a heart</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:46]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> but all the love. So now when I do the heart meditation with kids, I have them do what you just did. Make your heart, put it over your heart, and we'll listen to the tones. And then slowly ra, think of all the people that put love in your heart. You know, your parents, your sister, your dog, your children, your, I don't know what else, who else?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:10]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> and, uh, just think about it while you hold your hand over your heart and then make the heart, and then they raise the heart slowly up to eye level and they look at the world through the love in their hearts. And what does the world look like now? You know, just like Lady in Green Gables, when she come, goes to Green Gables and she comes back and all of a sudden she's a different person.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:36]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> She's seeing the world through this love that she found in her heart. So the very last thing you do, I want you guys to do this too, is hold the heart, your heart, close to your heart, and then watch me. We're gonna do it like, this is like basketball. It's like a, about just basketball. Like this. Just throw. Make your heart open and throw all the love away like confetti.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:58]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> Go 1, 2, 3, go with your, and you gotta wiggle your fingers when you do it too. You get maximum spread on the love maximum. And this is what I say to kids, and this is the great lesson I learned in Uvaldi in September and I'm going there tomorrow again. That song that about the Heart pledge was the very last class I taught there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:20]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> And so I'm going back with that, armed with that, to come back into this group of kids and talk about, the lesson I learned was that you've given all your love away. I say this to kids, uh, do it with like, like 400 kids in a, in a cafeteria. You've given all your love away. Now, now your heart is loveless, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:40]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> There's nothing left, and, and I just wait, and this girl goes immediately, hands will go no, you have more love now. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:51]</span> <span style="color:#de4a1d;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> You're wrong Barry . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:53]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> Wait a minute. If I give you all the money in my wallet, would I. , I'd have, I'd be broke. You know, uh, what, how could this be? And, and this little girl, oh my gosh, this little girl in this, in the school in San Antonio, the next week after Uvalde, she looks at me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:12]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> She had like pink hair with glitter. She's one of those glitter kid had glitter all over her face. She looked at me and she goes, uh,<strong> LOVE IS ETERNAL</strong>. Hmm. Love goes on. And then she takes her hands and she starts making a window. Forever and ever and ever. , forever and ever. You guys do it forever and ever. Forever.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:35]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> Forever </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:36]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> and ever and ever. Hallelujah. Forever. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:40]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> Hallelujah. Forever and ever and ever. Yeah. And, uh, and that is the lesson now that I get to teach kids, uh, because now I know the answer to that question, but hate can crush your heart. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:55]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Which also, <strong> leads us to healing a broken heart</strong>, can we get more into that? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:02]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> <strong>How do you heal a broken heart?</strong> </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:06]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> Wow. Oh boy. That's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">a </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:08]</span> <span style="color:#de4a1d;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> great question. I've got, I've got my own. Very long-winded, not long-winded, but I have my own answer for </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> this. Well, well, okay. I want, I wanna hear, I wanna hear yours, of course, Matt, but I wanna hear Barry's, I mean, Barry's now, I mean, going to ground zero, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> For the second time since the shooting. since the massacre, since Horrible. What? Okay, so these kids, these kids that you're talking to, experienced all of this, what do you say? What, how, and how do you, how do you heal or broken heart? , you know, a lot of us. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:48]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> That's a great question. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I mean, and a lot of us are, you know, I find that a lot of people disappear when people go through hard times.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> People disappear. We, Matt and I have found this to be true in our lives. Like when horrible things happened to us, all of a sudden, people that were our best friends, supposedly they just disappeared. We never heard from them again. They don't know if we're alive or anything. And I think one of the reasons that happens is because people don't know what to say.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:18]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And when someone is grieving and you go to them, you end up saying things that you've heard said, and they just sound so, um, canned. So you end up not wanting to deal with it at all because inevitably you're gonna say the wrong thing. , inevitably, you're gonna look foolish, or the person may lash out because that's what they need to do.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:41]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> But you have to be prepared for that and not take it personally. There's a lot going on, and I think there's a lot going on. I think most people don't have the capacity to deal with it, so they'd rather not, you know, we're all, we've all done </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:55]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> this, I think. Yes, and I think the, the helplessness that people feel in, in presence, You know, real tragedy and horror, but the people really, we forget that the only thing people really need is you, not anything but that, your presence.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:15]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> And, uh, and, um, I can say from personal experience when my, when my dad died, um, I have a good friend, Tom Genick. Um, I think I've talked about him on the podcast before. Yeah. When, and he. Came to, it was one of these friend, you know how friendships evolve over time. You know, at first, like he was my friend, but I wasn't really his friend that much.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:40]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> I kind of, mm-hmm. , you know, he was a roommate. He had a certain way of being in the world that was great and it could be difficult sometimes, just not for any real reason. But, but, uh, I didn't know how that we were that friends, but we maintained the friendship over time and.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:58]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> He came to me when my dad died and we walked to the playground near my parents' house and, and I didn't know what to say or what to do, and I just stood with him and he put his arms around me and I just wept. Um, and uh, after that moment, our friendship just totally changed. It was like, now we were totally equal.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:19]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> We were like, he was my friend and I was his friend, and it was just like something happened and I realized it was just friendship has nothing to do with all the things we think it has to do with it. There's a, there's another level channel or, or whatever that's going on about just being connected with that person and just connecting. And in Uvalde the kids.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:42]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> It's sort of, I, I, I was trying describe it in a sentence or two to people when, when I got back, cuz a lot of people wanted to know what it was like. And we have, uh, I'd posted some pictures and stuff of being at the Rob Elementary where the shooting was, where this is incredible outpouring of just stuffed animals everywhere and flowers and just, it's like this giant shrine to, pain and horror and um, but up to love the love of</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:11]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> these souls that were lost. And, um, and so how do you, uh, I described it like hog, the next Harry Potter novel, after all, when they go back to Hogwarts with their stuffies, you know, after the war, you know, and they have to recuperate from the PTSD and all that stuff. And, or to find some healing in themselves.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:34]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> And, uh, and. , it happens in, uh, being able to tell your story over and over. I once worked with a Cambodian refugee years ago teaching writing, and teachers should complain. Yeah, he always tells all these stories, but they're different every time. Of course, they're different every time because telling the story is what's important and finding the truth in the many versions of the story.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:58]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> A lot of it is about just sitting with kids, them telling the stories, and being able to find, , a connection and just to be there, you know, the difference between sympathy and empathy, I guess that is what you're talking about Fawn, I think the sympathy is when you say, ah, I'm certainly sorry that happened to you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:18]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> You poor loser, . You know, it can be, you know, it's, you were separate. It's othering that person. Right. Empathy. So the very last day when I was in Uvaldi, I did a, a workshop with teachers and. , I sang the song," Quiet Your Mind." And, uh, my, I quiet my mind, but I started to talk about it and I just burst into tears.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:41]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> I just, not, not just tears, but like heaving sobs and, and I said, what happened here should not have happened, you know, and, and, and just how honored I was just to be in the presence of these teachers who went back into the classroom. It, it was like, beyond heroic to be able to, to take their pain and fear even, you know, and, uh, P T S D.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:08]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> And there were stories of teachers, uh, who could not bear, the door being open, you know, a door, they'd be in the room and just feel if that door is open, uh, you know, go into panic. And the kinds of things that happen when you have to face all the, the limbic systems, kind of, you know, , you know, continual sense of threat, you know, um, and, uh, but to be able to do that and to go back in and to hug these kids, and the only reason they did it, not because of their salaries or their protecting their pension, the only reason they did it is because there was kids needed them. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:47]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> And. . I remember just walking casually down the hall and the woman I was with said we had a nice talk with a teacher and she told me afterward that woman's son died in the shooting. And uh, and she was a teacher and she went back in to be with her students to be in. Uh, and I just remember thinking just how these type of events make you realize the bonds that hold people, teachers teaching to me is a calling. It's not a job. And that, uh, these kids need them. Um, so how do you mend the heart? That's the question. Telling the story, being there, you know, or climbing into the pit with them, that's what, I didn't do that till the very end, that last day when I felt</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:35]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> like, I had to, I felt this connection, with these teachers realized that that's really what they have been doing. And, uh, and, you know, actually feeling what, or being there for them, you know, I guess that's what it is. What Tom did for me at the playground when my dad died, uh, maybe is, is it do that for these kids, be there for them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:02]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> and, uh, these kids, the other thing I noticed is that these kids were doing it for each other. So much. So many kids, they all bring stuffies with them wherever they go and they, they're, they're like loving each other and they're stuffies, you know? And, um, I was just in a classroom. My great friend Sean, Sean Taylor, great fourth grade teacher in Tucson.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:24]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> He gives his kids at the beginning of the year, they get their own stuffed animal to take care of. They have to feed it and they put it in their cubby holes. And uh, and uh, and that kind of care, that practicing caring for each other is, is really the key to, to healing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:42]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Which leads us to<strong> where does love live?</strong>. How would you answer that? Where does love live Barry? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:50]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> You want me to do it in Jim. My Jim Morrison voice, he lives on Love Street . Hey, uh, where does love live? Love lives. Um hm. Love lives in the spaces, the places cracks within the broken heart.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:15]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> So the heart is crushed. But there's love, uh, the love is still, when I say the kids is, if your heart is broken, is the love still there? Yeah. Anyone that's had to grieve for a loved one. And when you see, I see these really heartfelt tributes to great people, one of them that died recently as my friend Kevin Locke.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:36]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> He's a Lakota Sioux dancer. He's traveled around the world, over 90 countries, bringing the spirit of of love and connection to people. And, uh, he died the day I, the week, the two days after I got back from Uvalde. And the same day that my dad died, and he was like a spiritual mentor to me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:59]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> Kevin Locke. Yeah. Let me give you a quick example of him. He comes to this elementary school. He was performing at Millbury College and he came to our elementary school as a, as a gift, a friendship to do a free hoop dance with the kids. And the elementary school has a giant picture of a, of an Indian chief guide because, the school mascot is the Raiders.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:43:24]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> So I think, oh God, this is so embarrassing. . And he looks at the picture and he talks to the kids, you see the feathers and he used it as a PowerPoint to talk about the nobility of the human spirit to know your higher self. So he took that image, which is what I would call degrading or just awful and he just used to, tell kids about the power of their nobility, of the spirit that they have. , so Kevin Locks, uh, that kind of, the fact that he, and because of that lesson 10 years later, I wrote a song called No, you're By Yourself, which I do with kids. Take it off the shelf, give it room to play every single day.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:08]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> Forget about the fight, forget about othering other people. Reach for what is right. You can teach yourself to fly like the eagle when you wanna cry. And that's the lesson. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:25]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Thank you so much, Barry.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:27]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So with that, let's be on our way and step out into the world and remember everything that. we learned from Barry.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:35]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Sounds good. Thank you, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:36]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> it was a great gift to talk with you and Matt now, simply because I got to talk about it and to recenter myself, and try to prepare myself for it. I always feel it's like Jonah and the whale, you know, Jonah, God says to Jonah to go to this place and talk, to talk good stuff, you know, and Jonah says, now I'm gonna go somewhere else.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:59]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> And then the. Spits him up on the shore in the place where it's gonna be. And you helped me to kind of, uh, recenter myself there. And, I'm going to bring the lessons of the heart and that your heart is like a fortress, that you can stand inside and feel your feet beneath you whenever you try to quiet your mind.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:21]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> So those lessons of love that happened in the cracks, in people's hearts, I'm reaffirmed in my mission to do that by simply being able to tell you about it and to understand it through talking, understand it myself. So I thank you for this opportunity, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:40]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Barry thank you for speaking with us and all of our friends.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:44]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And I just realized, Matt, you always talk about the difference between love and hate. Yes. I don't know. I feel. , do you even wanna talk about your identification with that or your explanation for the difference between love and hate, which is greater? I just feel like in this situation that, I mean would you even, I don't know.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Because the, the gravity of the situation uvalde the gravity of the situation. That happens unfortunately all the time in the United States. and around the world, the wars around the world, the hatred around the world, right? The gravity is so immense that, sometimes I feel like I don't wanna say anything cuz whatever I say sounds ridiculous, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:31]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So I'm kind of afraid to say, Matt what do you, could you tell everyone what you always explain after </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:38]</span> <span style="color:#de4a1d;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> God? I, I, I look at Barry like a student looks at a teacher. He's a, he's, he feels like my mentor. So, For me to say anything feels like I'm putting a little scoop of frosting on top of this beautiful, well decorated cake that, that, that Barry has provided for us as far as a feast goes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:00]</span> <span style="color:#de4a1d;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Got it. So yeah, alls I can really say is, you know, ridiculous pithy sayings, but one that sticks out to me in particular is shared joy is increased, shared pain is lessened.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:16]</span> <span style="color:#de4a1d;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> and that's all I can </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:17]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> say about it. So you don't wanna get into the love thing? No. Okay. . I mean, I, I understand, I understand. I would just </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:25]</span> <span style="color:#de4a1d;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> feel like a cartoon after Barry. I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:27]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> feel you. I feel you . Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:31]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> uh, it's been a real, it's a real joy just to talk with you guys. Just, it's, uh, what you're doing with your podcast to me is, About opening up hearts, which need to be opened.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:42]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I'm so grateful for your friendship, Barry, you, you make me feel like I can keep walking. You give me strength. Thank you for your kindness. Thank you. I love you so much. Thank you. We love you the whole. Love you guys. We love you so much. So </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:06]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> to, and I'll, you'll be with me and I'll, I'll report back on another later date.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:10]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>BARRY:</strong></span> What happens this time? Cuz it's seems to be an evolving journey. Let's see. Other thing about it? There's no real answer. I mean, Matt was saying, felt like it was being glib or was, and I, I feel that way too. It becomes, I think it's really, it's an evolving story. You know, stay tuned. You know, stay tuned cause this is not stay there you go.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> All right. To learn more about Barry, of course, remember forcefieldforgood.com. Link is in the show notes. Alright, everybody will talk to you in just a few days. Take care again, reach out to Barry, reach out to us. There's love all around and we can make it through. Love you guys. Bye. Be well</span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[Barry Lane, the ambassador of love and kindness, troubadour for loving-kindness is with us again, this time from Uvalde, Texas. Barry travels all over the place and he not only teaches kindness, but he spreads kindness everywhere. He goes to schools. He works with children, he's given TED Talks.In this episode, we discuss what is stronger love or hate?  How do you mend a broken heart? Where to find love when it seems all we see is a "prickly cactus"?Everybody is operating from some sort of trauma. Everyone has pain.  Everyone's doing their best going through whatever they're going through. EVERYONE is literally operating at their highest capacity. Now, that may not mean that they're operating to your standards, to your standards, they're just operating from the best way that they can live. And that goes with friendship. 
Barry is visiting with the children and teachers who were inside the massacre at Uvalde and we take some time to discuss how we can heal, and how we can be there for each other to create a loving world despite what we are experiencing that is far from kind. We find out where love lives. We take a love pledge.
This episode will soothe and nourish you. Barry sings to us. Make sure to listen to the very last song at the end of the episode. It will help.#WhatIsStrongerLoveOrHate  #Uvalde #LoveIsEternal #HealingABrokenHearthttps://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/a-kind-world-with-special-guest-barry-lane/
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Love and Hate and How to Heal a Broken Heart with Barry Lane - TRANSCRIPT
[00:00:00] FAWN: Hello everybody.
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>We continue the subject we talk about frequently, which is emotional currency and the ability to pick how we choose to spend this. <br /><br />How much do we want to invest? Sometimes we can get so wrapped up in an emotion that we forget that we're investing in all this life-sucking stuff. But when we do, and we say "zero," it's FABULOUS because we feel free, because we are free. We're energized. <br /><br /> the fact that when we spend emotional currency like this, not only does it leave room for beauty in our lives, but in<br /> that moment and that realization of," I passed through it and that's kind of saying it's over. I refuse to invest anymore,"our life force comes back because we've gathered ourselves. The different parts of ourselves that were scattered in different directions outside of ourselves because we leaked our vital life force are now restored. We have pulled ourselves back together. Now we have the capacity that is able to make good friends and to BE a good friend.</strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong> </strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>#GetYourselfTogether #HowToBounceBackFromABreakup  #RealizeYourOwnPower<br /><br />When we're upset, we're leaking "currency."  When we pull ourselves together, we pull all of humanity together, with compassion and peaceful understanding.<br /><br /></strong></span></span><br />Support our podcast by telling others and leaving a review. Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook "The Ikigai of Friendship" here:</p>
<p align="left"><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a></p>
<p align="left">THANK YOU with LOVE!</p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>Get it Together, Get a Hold of Yourself ,Capacity Revisited Podcast - TRANSCRIPT</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Welcome back everybody. Hello?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:02]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:03]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hello, world. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:04]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh dear.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:04]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hello everyone. Thank you for tuning in. Matt and I got into a discussion the other day. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:10]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Discussion. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> love is winning . And so Matt decided that we should argue with ourselves. And a while ago,<strong> long time ago, we were talking about currency, all kinds of currency within friendships, within relationships, just all of life. </strong></span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[We continue the subject we talk about frequently, which is emotional currency and the ability to pick how we choose to spend this. How much do we want to invest? Sometimes we can get so wrapped up in an emotion that we forget that we're investing in all this life-sucking stuff. But when we do, and we say "zero," it's FABULOUS because we feel free, because we are free. We're energized.  the fact that when we spend emotional currency like this, not only does it leave room for beauty in our lives, but in that moment and that realization of," I passed through it and that's kind of saying it's over. I refuse to invest anymore,"our life force comes back because we've gathered ourselves. The different parts of ourselves that were scattered in different directions outside of ourselves because we leaked our vital life force are now restored. We have pulled ourselves back together. Now we have the capacity that is able to make good friends and to BE a good friend. 
#GetYourselfTogether #HowToBounceBackFromABreakup  #RealizeYourOwnPowerWhen we're upset, we're leaking "currency."  When we pull ourselves together, we pull all of humanity together, with compassion and peaceful understanding.Support our podcast by telling others and leaving a review. Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook "The Ikigai of Friendship" here:
https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
THANK YOU with LOVE!
 
Get it Together, Get a Hold of Yourself ,Capacity Revisited Podcast - TRANSCRIPT
[00:00:00] Fawn: Welcome back everybody. Hello?
[00:00:02] Matt: Hello. 
[00:00:03] Fawn: Hello, world. 
[00:00:04] Matt: Oh dear.
[00:00:04] Fawn: Hello everyone. Thank you for tuning in. Matt and I got into a discussion the other day. 
[00:00:10] Matt: Discussion. 
[00:00:12] Fawn: love is winning . And so Matt decided that we should argue with ourselves. And a while ago, long time ago, we were talking about currency, all kinds of currency within friendships, within relationships, just all of life. 
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>We continue the subject we talk about frequently, which is emotional currency and the ability to pick how we choose to spend this. <br /><br />How much do we want to invest? Sometimes we can get so wrapped up in an emotion that we forget that we're investing in all this life-sucking stuff. But when we do, and we say "zero," it's FABULOUS because we feel free, because we are free. We're energized. <br /><br /> the fact that when we spend emotional currency like this, not only does it leave room for beauty in our lives, but in<br /> that moment and that realization of," I passed through it and that's kind of saying it's over. I refuse to invest anymore,"our life force comes back because we've gathered ourselves. The different parts of ourselves that were scattered in different directions outside of ourselves because we leaked our vital life force are now restored. We have pulled ourselves back together. Now we have the capacity that is able to make good friends and to BE a good friend.</strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong> </strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>#GetYourselfTogether #HowToBounceBackFromABreakup  #RealizeYourOwnPower<br /><br />When we're upset, we're leaking "currency."  When we pull ourselves together, we pull all of humanity together, with compassion and peaceful understanding.<br /><br /></strong></span></span><br />Support our podcast by telling others and leaving a review. Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook "The Ikigai of Friendship" here:</p>
<p align="left"><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a></p>
<p align="left">THANK YOU with LOVE!</p>
<p align="left"> </p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>Get it Together, Get a Hold of Yourself ,Capacity Revisited Podcast - TRANSCRIPT</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Welcome back everybody. Hello?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:02]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:03]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hello, world. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:04]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh dear.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:04]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hello everyone. Thank you for tuning in. Matt and I got into a discussion the other day. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:10]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Discussion. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> love is winning . And so Matt decided that we should argue with ourselves. And a while ago,<strong> long time ago, we were talking about currency, all kinds of currency within friendships, within relationships, just all of life. </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:30]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> <strong>You started talking about emotional currency, which you know, you need to pick how you choose to spend this. </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:36]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>This came from Caroline Myss a long time ago, and she was describing it as you wake up, let's say you wake up with a hundred dollars and every time you get upset with someone, Or your energy gets focused on a particular thing.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:53]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>For example, someone cuts you off on the road and every time you think about that, in instance, that particular event or that particular person, and you get mad about it, you lose currency every time.</strong> When I heard her say this a long time ago, it totally made sense to me. And back then I was also getting over a cheating boyfriend fiance.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:21]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Not me, folks.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:22]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It was not Matt . And when I heard her say this, it totally made sense. I'm like, yeah. And I saw myself at a boardroom and I thought, okay, everybody, and I'm the head of it, how much do we wanna invest in this person? How much do we wanna invest in this particular. Situation, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:44]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> how much do I want to invest in feeling this way?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:47]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Because every time that person came up, every time I had like a whole chemical reaction in my body. Like I would get so upset and you can use this example for anything that makes you upset. And I thought to myself, I imagined being a boardroom director and also a judge with a gavel and I made the decision, zero, no more investments cut, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:13]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> cut off.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. That really helped me. And so ever, and this was years ago and ever since then, that's how I live. I'm like, if, if I'm witty enough or in tuned enough with myself to say whoa. <strong>How much do you want to invest? Because sometimes you can just get so wrapped up in an emotion that you just forget that you're investing all this.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:39]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> <strong>Right</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:39]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>you forget to ask yourself, how much do you want to invest? You want to continue investing in this? But when you do and you say zero, it really is fabulous. It's immediately, you shift to something else, </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:55]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> <strong>it's fabulous. </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:56]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>It is because you feel free. </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:57]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> <strong>It is absolutely. </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:58]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>You're free and energized. </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:00]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> <strong>Right </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>and so we were talking about the fact that when you spend emotional currency like this, </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:07]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> <strong>right, </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>that it doesn't leave room for other things in your life </strong>that Yes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:12]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> The good things. So that was the thing. And then Matt decided, you know what? I'm gonna argue against this. And you said what? You said that there's actually infinite currency out there, and I totally agree with you. There is infinite currency. You don't wake up with only a hundred you don't wake up with a certain amount, like a unit of energy, right</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:35]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> you are. We are all supernatural beings. We have the ability to be infinite in so many ways. Mm. So tell our friends what you were saying, the argument you had with yourself and then with me, . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:50]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Okay. Okay. Well, scientists are, are studying willpower, not emotional currency, but it's, it's somehow linked.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:58]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And they're talking about how depending on mindset, you may or may not be spending your willpower currency, which is again, subtly different that there, there is a way to shift your mind, shift your focus, and start thinking about willpower as being truly an infinite resource instead of being a battery that keeps getting depleted.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay? And I said, well, yes, because if you tune into a higher power, if you get centered with whatever you wanna call it, the universe, your inner self, your higher self, God, whatever you choose to label it, if you're operating from that, if you're grounded in that, yes, it's infinite power. However, when you're, when you're thinking of the jerk that yelled at you, that cut you off on the road or a thief that took off with your stuff, it's a baseline emotion.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:01]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes, very much </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:02]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> so. I'm not in my supernatural spirit power when I'm thinking about that. Cuz I'm thinking from a scarcity point, I'm thinking from a fear-based point. Right? And I think at that stage, you don't have infinite power. So what do you have to say about that ? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:20]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Okay. Okay. Okay, so again, we're talking about, willpower. We're talking about there's a chocolate bar sitting in the fridge and oh my goodness, I shouldn't eat it, but I want it, but I shouldn't eat it, but I want it. And going through the cavortations of dealing with that over the course of a day, or, you know, constantly be being, you know, wanting to do something , and continually denying yourself from doing it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:48]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Okay. So that's what we're really talking about here as far as willpower goes. . So I think, when we accumulate these temptations, when we have so many coming at us all day every day, I do think most people would say it feels more difficult. Things get more difficult as the day progresses.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:05]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You know, I really want to, relieve some of these temptations. I want either them to get out of my life or I wanna succumb to them. , right? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I don't know. I never thought about it like that. I don't really go through life with temptation. If I like something, I do it. I don't know. Are you faced with a bunch of temptations, Matt? We </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:27]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> have chocolate in the house. My God, it's everywhere. . It's not everywhere, but Oh my goodness. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:34]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> No, but I mean, do you go through life thinking? I have to deprive myself like I'm tempted, so I can't, I, I don't know. I never think about it like that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:44]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, it's like, I'm like Augustus Gloop sometimes from,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:48]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:48]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> don't know who that is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:49]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> from. Um, Willy Wonka, the Chocolate factory. Oh, right. You know, the little, the little German boy who loves </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:53]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> chocolate </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:53]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> guys. Here's what I have to do. So we like baking. I think you all know that we bake, we we're major chefs over.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:03]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So there is a jar of chocolate that is meant for baking. And Matt, if he sees it, we have to hide it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:12]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> But's a lovely chocolate.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> We have to hide it because when we go to bake a chocolate cake, It has mysteriously, there's like one or three little nuggets left in this big jar that used to be a big jar of chocolate</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And so this happened years ago when we lived on Bainbridge Island and there were a bunch of raccoons around our house, and there was one raccoon in particular that was so weird, like</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:40]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Rocky, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:42]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> unbelievable. This raccoon was out of a cartoon . He would mess with us and laugh at us this raccoon, it was, it was nuts.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Like he would show us his butt. He would do something like, what did he do? Matt . That was really funny. One day like, He was getting into something and we're like, Hey, get out of there. And he looked at us like, oh yeah. And then he showed us his butt, like on purpose, turned around lifted his butt and flashed us, like mooned us .</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And then he went back to what he was doing. We're like, oh, my son of a biscuit. What the, the, what is going on? And. Why, and it was broad daylight too, right? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:23]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And what do you do in that case when you know, literally they're like, whatever. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So anyway, so what I did was I didn't wanna accuse Matt of stealing the chocolate because back then the kids weren't born yet.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:34]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So it was just Matt and . It was just Matt. And so I started to write notes around any chocolate jar meant for baking. And I said, dear Rocky, This is meant for baking chocolate cake. Please don't.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:53]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> But that, that raccoon, he'd get into it. I, I, I don't know. I don't know how he got in the house, but, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:59]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but I really meant Matt. Cause I knew Matt . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:02]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh, I'm offended. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:04]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Anyway, so anyway, back to. Back to temptation. So do you think most people go through life tempted all, all day? Not </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:12]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> all day, but I think that there are even kind of temptations people, you know, pass through.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:18]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I mean, for me, I think it's primarily more food-based than anything, to be honest. But I remember, I, I would drive to work and I'd be like, should I stop and get coffee? Should I, should I, you know, it's like these little thoughts go rattling through your. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's weird. I don't know if I'm in denial, but I, I wanna say I, I'm not, I don't live by temptation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:39]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right. I don't know. Right. I, it, it's not in my, it's not in my, uh, it's not in my sphere, you know? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:47]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Exactly. Exactly. Which is one of the things that makes it very difficult to talk about this subject. Right. Okay, so go on. So, so, so there's, there's, I guess our initial question is, temptation, willpower, , or let's talk about, you know, the other side of it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:01]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Like, I gotta buckle down and I have to, when I was in school, I have to write a report and I have to get this report done. If I get it done now it's like three weeks before it's due. Why procrastinate? Why not just get it done. . Right. I think that's, I another kind of thought that people have and they go through, because I remember I had one particular quarter in school where I was like, uhoh, , I'm in trouble here in college and I better buckle down and fly right otherwise, bad things are going to happen. So , I hit what was much closer to, I suppose, my full potential. , you know, I took school a hundred percent. It, it was my number one. Okay. And everything else was my number two. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:40]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So what's your point? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:42]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:42]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm saying is if you have in your head that willpower is like a battery and willpower gets depleted over the course of a day and you need to do something to recharge yourself. or go to the spa or whatever it is. Okay. Yeah. That is one mindset, but there is another mindset, but </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:05]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. Can just, why are you choosing the word willpower, though?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:09]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I don't, I think that's what's bothering me. I don't get it. I don't, I don't get what that has to do with energetic wellbeing. Can you use another word for it? I think that's what's tripping me. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:21]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> We could call it mental exhaustion if you'd rather, yeah. Okay. We </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> can talk about, cause I can relate to that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:26]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Okay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:26]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> We can </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:27]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> talk mental exhaustion. That's fine. Yeah. I can talk about mental exhaustion all day. Okay. . . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:34]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Even though I'm exhausted, I can talk about it all day. , </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:37]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> well nevermind. Go ahead. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:39]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> The other, the other kind of mindset that scientists have actually discovered. They found people who have this mindset or, um, what.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:49]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm about to describe the mindset. Oh, okay. . Sorry, go ahead. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:53]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh my goodness. I'm sorry guys. I'm, I didn't sleep well. Go ahead.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:01]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> At least she's laughing folks. So if you've just gone through an emotionally draining event, what should be an emotionally draining event? There is a mindset that says that you can feel like, oh my God, I just overcame this emotionally draining event. What if, what if you didn't strengthened by that I have a new resolve and I can stand strong against new things that would be out there that would wish to exhaust me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So when your, when your heart has been broken, you can say, I made it. I'm stronger instead of I choose to not open up ever again. . Yeah, exactly. Like I made it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:46]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> through, but that's making it through. That's again, that to me, like emotional, like that, that kind of emotional breakup or that kind of stuff, that's a whole process and you need to like move through and past it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:59]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> To me, that takes an interesting amount of time </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:02]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and effort. Well, you know, a few episodes back we talked. , the breakup we've talked about. Mm-hmm. , various different ways of breakups. Breaking up in a friendship is just as painful as a romantic break it can be for sure. And I wanna say it happens more often than meeting the love of your life and you've broken up.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:26]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right, and And I would agree. I'm saying cause, but I would, I would also say that, you know, it's almost like to, in order to discuss this properly, you need to start thinking through the whole aspect of, you know, . I've been on both sides of a breakup. I've broken up with people and I've been broken up with and caught completely flatfooted.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:46]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So if we talk about when you make the decision to break up with somebody, it's that it's at that moment because that's the moment where you're like, okay, I'm making this decision. You're cut off. I'm not spending anymore emotional currency on you. Whatever it is. , like you're cut off.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:03]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It's<strong> that moment and it's that realization of, I passed through it </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:09]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>and that's kind of saying it's over. I refuse to invest anymore. Right. And as soon as you come to that realization, that's when you feel a charge. Yes. Like your life force comes </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:19]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> <strong>back. Exactly. You feel a charge right there. Exactly.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:23]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> <strong>Because you have passed through it. Now, of course, because that happens on the other </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:27]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>side too, because you've gathered yourself, right? It's in pieces of yourself, keep going out in different directions. And that's Yes, and that's the key. So when you stop it immediately, you are restored.</strong> Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:39]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And for me, there's always this inherent, and scientists discover this too, but <strong>there's this inherent moment of clarity because I've now had the opportunity to</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:51]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> <strong>think on it to remember the pros, the cons, and the indifference about it. So I get to the high place from it because that gives me an opportunity to perform my own introspection, which is again, the key behind this willpower, emotional exhaustion and the whole bit.</strong> It's actually, the, the important part for me anyways is focusing on the history of it and then pushing past.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Have you noticed that when that happens, the person always feels it and then they try to amend, right? Yeah. What, what can, and you haven't said, what can I do? But you haven't said a word. You haven't even been there physically. Mm-hmm. , like they sense it even if they, they have not seen you. Heard from you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:43]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> They sense that. Isn't that interesting? It is. Well, another example,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:46]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> people are more connected than they're willing to admit. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:48]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Exactly. I I was just gonna say another example of interconnectedness. Another example, how we are so beautifully intertwined and interlaced that we do pick up on each other. Period.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:04]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> right? I was gonna say, we do pick up on each other's emotions, everything. So if you think whatever happens on the other side of the world, people who think, oh, that's the other side of the world. It doesn't affect me, or That's that group. It doesn't affect me. It does. It totally does. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:22]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It totally does. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You may not you, you guys, but like people who think that, think that it doesn't affect them, but I think that their heart is closed,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:34]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> emotional heart is so closed in so many ways. . They're not aware of things. They're not aware of feelings. It's like a person who's not totally in tune with their body and when there's pain, when the body is trying to tell them something, they don't even hear it. They don't sense it. You know what I'm saying?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:57]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> They're desensitized, is what I'm trying to say. So they don't see how this group over here, they may think has nothing to do with them. It has everything to do with them. If one person hurts over here, it is affecting everybody. Anyway, so Go ahead Matt. , I just wanted to, I'm sorry. It's just the other night I was part of my writing group and they brought up this book called Seen and Unseen, and it's about the, um, it's a children's book actually.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:30]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But it's about the Japanese internment camp, right? And the author of the book was, uh, is or she or her godmother was Dorothy Lang, one of my favorite photographers. You guys, I'm sure you've seen her pictures if you're not into photography. She did all the like the most. I wanna say beautiful. Uh, beautiful but </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:58]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> tragic.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:58]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Beautiful. Timeless, yeah. Dust bowl farmers, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:02]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> right? During the depression, so you've seen pictures, um, of the Dust Bowl era. It's pretty much probably Dorothy Lang. Anyway, so that was her godmother. She used three photographers in this. To portray what happened in the internment camps. Right? And she chose Ansel Adams, Dorothy Lang, oh, I'm, I'm forgetting the most important one, the mo, the most important photographer who was Japanese.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And so basically it showed, seen and unseen. Dorothy Lang photographed a whole bunch of stuff, and most of her, I don't know about most, but a lot of images that she took. Taken, disqualified not to be seen by the powers that be because </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:51]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> they were potentially embarrassing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:55]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> They, yeah. They didn't want you to know about what was happening.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:59]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And she photographed before the internment camps started to come about, like she saw it coming. Mm-hmm. . And she was trying to warn people and one of her friends was Ansel Adams. and I, I heard this quote about her saying about Angela Adams, you know, he's my friend, but he just doesn't get it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:22]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:22]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And she was talking about what was happening with the internment camps and what had happened.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:28]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And so she photographed it before and during, and then Ansel Adam's photographed it towards the end and he photographed the internment camps in a way that was like a gap ad. , it looked like everybody was having fun. Everybody was smiling, you know, playing ball. It, it was weird. It was, you know, like, it just made me think lesser of Ansel Adams.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:57]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right. Well, and then, do you know what I'm saying? Like, they don't get it. They don't get it. But, and then the, the Japanese photographer obviously, like he went into the camp. Mm-hmm. , he was taken into the camp and he managed to take a lense and a and a negative holder and figured out a way to make a makeshift camera.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:18]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And he photographed what was happening on the inside. Right. Which no one was allowed to photograph. Right. So anyway, I'm sorry. Why am I bringing this up? I got all upset, . I know you did what you said. People who don't get it, people who don't get it. Like certain family members, I'm not gonna bring up right now who don't get.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:37]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Who don't, who think that this group, whatever group it is, it's like they're not even human. Do you know what I'm saying? They dehumanize people. Right. But I'm saying that they actually feel all these people at the same time and they're not aware of it, and it's eating them up. Am I, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not articulating myself while I'm today you are.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:03]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Unfortunately, I can't bring us back to center on this one, which is the unfortunate part. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:07]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It's okay. Go back to what you were saying. Sorry, Matt. Oh dear. This is all the stuff that's on my mind and when I don't sleep, I, uh, I tend to go off on tangent. Sorry guys. Okay. Go back. So we were talking about energy and we were talking about.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:24]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> <strong>Retrospection is very important, but you have to be at a point where you can do that retrospection. That's one way that you fuel your everything, your emotional currency, your willpower, your everything. . </strong>That's how you maybe build if, if you can't let go of the whole battery thought. Cuz it's very compelling cuz there are those days you just feel run down.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:51]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It feels like you started with a full charge and it just went down that day. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:56]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh yeah. It could happen in an instant, it could be fully charged within. Something will just get you, we'll </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:02]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> just get ya. Yeah. Yeah. So in this way, as far as retrospection is,<strong> you're just trying to get a bigger battery.</strong> You're trying to.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:12]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Bigger battery, and<strong> it's the thinking of the things you've overcome, the things that you have done that help you with your endurance, your emotional kind of endurance, if you will,</strong> which is a very, very hard thing to do in the moment. I know. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:27]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, you know, as long as I'm made aware of it, I can snap myself out of it rather quickly.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:35]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You go deep and wallow in it. You swim and bathe in it like it's a bubble bath. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:40]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It's so warm. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:41]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh my God. , </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:42]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:42]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> warm in here.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:43]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So when you, when you get upset, Matt? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:46]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:47]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh my God. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:47]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Sometimes when I do. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Wow. Wow. You just wallow in it sometimes. and it's, I was gonna say, Matt, what do you do? I'm like, you know what? You guys don't wanna know what Matt does.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I No, no. There's a process, but I'll tell you what I do. There is a process for Matt, but my goodness, it's just too long. It's like a long three hour movie that should be just be an hour and a half . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:15]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> But I'm a big fan of Akira Kurosawa </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:17]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> he, I was gonna bring that up. Either , </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> that is totally it. But you know me, I'm just like, let's just get, get to the good stuff.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:27]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I have </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:27]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> things to do edited for television. I don I don't wanna feel bad. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:30]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's, that's your movies. I feel bad too much. So please. So I'm like, let me get outta here. So that's my famous phrase. I gotta get outta here. I gotta get outta here in one way or another. Like if it's a situation, I gotta get outta here, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:42]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm sorry, I'm just gonna remove myself. So you can do that or you will, you still have to get outta there to go meditate somewhere quiet. Just, you know, meditate doesn't have to be, you sit in a lotus position and all that. It could be just sit somewhere and connect right with your power. Anyway, so let's move on</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:04]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So let's move on. So I think, I think you phrased it just eloquently right there. So let's move on. <strong>Let's figure out how you can remove yourself from a given situation of emotional turmoil and take a step back and think it through. And then remember who you are. Remember your power, feel your inner Popeye and feel </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>the strength from there.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:29]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Remind new listeners what inner Popeye is. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:32]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So inner Popeye. Popeye is this guy, he's a cartoon character. And you know what? With Popeye, I am what I am, that's his saying. And you know what you. He is so self-aware. He knows exactly who he is, exactly where he's going. He understands his motivations completely.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:50]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> He is completely self-aware. Inner Popeye is when you reach that kind of condition within yourself. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:57]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You don't care what other people think of you. You are just going to be you. You're not apologetic about. Who you are. Oh, but having said that, I think of certain leaders that are never apologizing for this stuff, it's not about that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It's not about doing harm and being unapologetic. It's about he has really big forearms. So what , you know what I'm saying? He's not gonna try to slim down his forearms. He has big, like ridiculous forearms, you know? He's un unapologetic about it. That's, that's him. Yes. Um, you know, another example that you bring up all the time regarding this is, O Sensei the founder of Aikido, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:47]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And you say, like, whenever we talk about something or when I, when I'm stuck on something or I don't wanna hurt someone's feelings, or I'm dealing with a difficult friendship or different situation, you know. , you say something about the mat, like you gotta keep walking on the mat. You say something like that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:05]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What do you say? Okay, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:06]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> so famous demonstration. He's a frail old man and he was, this is , he was this great, et cetera, et cetera. I saw him as a warrior when he was younger, but when he got older he, his mind, his mind shifted. And there's a famous demonstration that he walks from one corner , of a mat to the other corner.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:26]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So it's kind of this square mat he walks from one. In the interim, 20 different guys tried to, stop him and he just didn't let him. Right? So he moved where he had to move. He did what he had to do and he made it to the end. He made it to the other edge </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:42]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and it, it just cracks me up because that's how I got into Aikido and that's what made me stop wanting to get into Aikido.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:49]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Cause I would see these demonstrations of him doing. And it looked so fake. It looks so fake. It looks cartoonishly ridiculous because here's this very skinny ti, tiny little man . He looks like he's frail. He's definitely not. And he's walking. And all these big burly guys that look like they're seven feet tall are charging at him, and it looks like he's just lifting his little pinky or his index finger, and these guys are suddenly flying across the.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:21]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Sorry, that was me flying , but you know what I mean. They were flying across the room and I'm like, that is the most set up artificial thing I've ever seen. Right. I'm not gonna study that. When my martial artist friends were like, you should study Aikido. I'm like, no , that's a, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:42]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> that's a baby er. That </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:44]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> is some fake</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Uh, no thank you. And then when I experienced it for myself, right, I was like, whoa, this is legit . This is legitimate and it's energetic and yeah, it's fascinating. Yes. What happens when you're actually physically in that situation and a black belt is working with. and you experience that energy and that, that flying sensation</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Exactly. Um, but yeah, it always cracks me up when I'm in a difficult situation. And you say there's this phrase that you use though. , you just say, you just gotta, you're crossing the mat. Cross the mat. Don't let anything get in your way, but you have a particular way of saying it that you're not saying right now.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:30]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh dear. I can't remember. Uh, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:31]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> but </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:31]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> you say, I remember it in the moment. I know don't, but anyway. But that's, that's the gist of it. Would you say sometimes you have to do that, Matt? Or always? I mean, sometimes you have to give and say if a friend is coming, Not an attack, but </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:48]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> like, right. But y it's important I think, to step back and just try and take a look at everything around you because, you know, there are certain spots.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:58]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You know, my kids obviously are, are an incredible emotional blind spot for me. I can't necessarily be objective when it comes to my kids period. much sometimes my wife chagrin. Um, I can. You know, um, but it's, it's important where you can to step back and take a look and remember, and that's one of the things that helps us feel strong.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:24]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And that's one of the things that helps us do more to manifest our inner Popeye and bring that forward into our day, into our life. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. That's very well, and I don't wanna make this a super long. But when you get into that mood, Matt, yes. What snaps you out of it? Because I said it takes forever.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Sometimes it's a process and you drag everybody else with </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:48]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> you. It's a process and it takes time </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and Yeah, but what am I supposed to do? I don't wanna be affected by you then don't be, but I am because I love you. I So what do you do? I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:59]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> get emotional blind spot. It's, it's hard. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I don't know what to do. Right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:02]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I, I can't leave you alone. I wanna make things better for. If I leave the room or leave the house, I know you're sitting there moping and or you know, it just makes me feel I'm processing. I know, but it makes me feel terrible. I feel scared. I feel like I know baby. I'm Is he okay? Is he, is it going to turn into a physical ailment?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:22]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Cuz he's so upset. You know what I'm saying? Yes. So any solutions there, Matt? He's just staring at me. , </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:31]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> tell me you love me and. . That's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> about all do I can say. What do you mean? Tell you I love you. And then go out. Yes, go outside. Leave you alone maybe. Really? Yeah. But what if I'm stuck in the house with you?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:43]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What am I supposed to do then? I just feel bad for </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:45]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> you. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:46]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm sorry. . Oh my god. . Okay, let's move on. from N two next. Oh, did you make the entire point? That's all we had to say. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:58]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> That. . That was the entire, yes. Lower part of my sheet. All right. Okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> All right then. Alrighty </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:08]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> then. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So infinite or non </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:12]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> infinite? It depends on your point of view.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:16]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Make it more infinite. That would be what I would say. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So when,<strong> when things go awry. Gather your power, gather yourself, gather your power. Get yourself together.</strong> Yourself. Exactly. Oh my God. Okay. Get yourself together. Right </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:30]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and right. <strong>How do you bounce back from breakup? </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:34]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But you know what? <strong>Realize your power turn.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:36]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Look at that. Get yourself together. <strong>When you are upset, you are leaking currency. Yes. From your physical body. Yes. Sometimes. And when you focus, you gather yourself, right? You're getting yourself together, right? So get your spiritual, physical, emotional body in the same space, in the same center, and connect to your beautiful, powerful point.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>and that is getting yourself together. Get yourself together, . Get it together, folks. </strong>, can I tell you that next time you're in a wallow, can I say get it together, Matt? Then you get No. You know what? There's no talking to you. You get is mad. There's no talking to me. Matt will get upset for I can't say anything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:29]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:29]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> know what? Next time just make me cookies. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You know, even that doesn't work. I've tried chocolate milk, , . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:41]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Then just let me be a little spoiled child </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:44]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> for a minute. Oh, can I ask you to leave ? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:47]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh dear. You know, I'd love to say yes and I would have the emotional maturity to deal with it, but there </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:56]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> are those moments.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:57]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> No, I don't wanna, I don't want to. The worlds to never. It's big. Probably safer for you at home, . It probably is. So I should leave. Okay. All right everybody. Thanks for listening. Love you. Love is winning. Oh dear. Love is winning. Talk to you later. Be well everyone. so.</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[We continue the subject we talk about frequently, which is emotional currency and the ability to pick how we choose to spend this. How much do we want to invest? Sometimes we can get so wrapped up in an emotion that we forget that we're investing in all this life-sucking stuff. But when we do, and we say "zero," it's FABULOUS because we feel free, because we are free. We're energized.  the fact that when we spend emotional currency like this, not only does it leave room for beauty in our lives, but in that moment and that realization of," I passed through it and that's kind of saying it's over. I refuse to invest anymore,"our life force comes back because we've gathered ourselves. The different parts of ourselves that were scattered in different directions outside of ourselves because we leaked our vital life force are now restored. We have pulled ourselves back together. Now we have the capacity that is able to make good friends and to BE a good friend. 
#GetYourselfTogether #HowToBounceBackFromABreakup  #RealizeYourOwnPowerWhen we're upset, we're leaking "currency."  When we pull ourselves together, we pull all of humanity together, with compassion and peaceful understanding.Support our podcast by telling others and leaving a review. Pick up a free copy of Fawn's workbook "The Ikigai of Friendship" here:
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Get it Together, Get a Hold of Yourself ,Capacity Revisited Podcast - TRANSCRIPT
[00:00:00] Fawn: Welcome back everybody. Hello?
[00:00:02] Matt: Hello. 
[00:00:03] Fawn: Hello, world. 
[00:00:04] Matt: Oh dear.
[00:00:04] Fawn: Hello everyone. Thank you for tuning in. Matt and I got into a discussion the other day. 
[00:00:10] Matt: Discussion. 
[00:00:12] Fawn: love is winning . And so Matt decided that we should argue with ourselves. And a while ago, long time ago, we were talking about currency, all kinds of currency within friendships, within relationships, just all of life. 
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>I have an objection! I mean, they constantly say when people don't have friends when they're lonely, it's going to cause cancer. It's going to cause heart problems. It's like smoking 10 packs a day of cigarettes. It's like all they do is scare people. Thanks. Thanks for grabbing a headline and then dropping us off a cliff and saying, okay, bye-bye. I wish we had the audience the massive audience that all these “experts” have because instead of fear, we are actually creating a friendly world.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>In today's episode, we're talking about official or superficial friendships. How do you know if you actually have a friend, why do you depend on something else or somebody else to include you in a friend group, like these people that are parents who are like, oh, don't worry, you'll make friends when your kids make friends, like through their friends. That is so backward. It should be the other way around. . It should be your friends or your children looking at you as an example of how you treat a friendship and how you create a friendship or when you get into a conflict, how you resolve that conflict, or how you walk away from a friendship to maintain your life and your integrity.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-size:small;">Your friends or people who may be watching you that you aren't even aware of. You are a walking role model in society. You are your own brand ambassador. Everybody is. <br /><br />We also talk about the Greek word PHILOI, a word that roughly translates to "friend". This type of friendship is based on the characteristically Greek value for reciprocity as opposed to a friend that exists as an end to itself. </span></strong></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>We also explore the word friend in old English. . It's spelled F R E O N D and guess what it means? To love. To favor. Isn't that nice?<br /><br />That leads me to another objection I have. There are more and more articles, which is great; talking about friendship and seem to love rules for friendship and I have an objection to that.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;"> Familiar rather than fellowship.</span><br /><br />Official or Superficial - TRANSCRIPT</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hello? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:01]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:03]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> How's it going? How's everybody doing out there? Hello, world. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:07]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hopefully wonderfully, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> so. Objection I have, I've had an objection for a few years now. Major objection. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:15]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Objection?</span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[I have an objection! I mean, they constantly say when people don't have friends when they're lonely, it's going to cause cancer. It's going to cause heart problems. It's like smoking 10 packs a day of cigarettes. It's like all they do is scare people. Thanks. Thanks for grabbing a headline and then dropping us off a cliff and saying, okay, bye-bye. I wish we had the audience the massive audience that all these “experts” have because instead of fear, we are actually creating a friendly world.
In today's episode, we're talking about official or superficial friendships. How do you know if you actually have a friend, why do you depend on something else or somebody else to include you in a friend group, like these people that are parents who are like, oh, don't worry, you'll make friends when your kids make friends, like through their friends. That is so backward. It should be the other way around. . It should be your friends or your children looking at you as an example of how you treat a friendship and how you create a friendship or when you get into a conflict, how you resolve that conflict, or how you walk away from a friendship to maintain your life and your integrity.
Your friends or people who may be watching you that you aren't even aware of. You are a walking role model in society. You are your own brand ambassador. Everybody is. We also talk about the Greek word PHILOI, a word that roughly translates to "friend". This type of friendship is based on the characteristically Greek value for reciprocity as opposed to a friend that exists as an end to itself. 
We also explore the word friend in old English. . It's spelled F R E O N D and guess what it means? To love. To favor. Isn't that nice?That leads me to another objection I have. There are more and more articles, which is great; talking about friendship and seem to love rules for friendship and I have an objection to that.
 Familiar rather than fellowship.Official or Superficial - TRANSCRIPT
[00:00:00] Fawn: Hello? 
[00:00:01] Matt: Hello. 
[00:00:03] Fawn: How's it going? How's everybody doing out there? Hello, world. 
[00:00:07] Matt: Hopefully wonderfully, 
[00:00:08] Fawn: so. Objection I have, I've had an objection for a few years now. Major objection. 
[00:00:15] Matt: Objection?
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>I have an objection! I mean, they constantly say when people don't have friends when they're lonely, it's going to cause cancer. It's going to cause heart problems. It's like smoking 10 packs a day of cigarettes. It's like all they do is scare people. Thanks. Thanks for grabbing a headline and then dropping us off a cliff and saying, okay, bye-bye. I wish we had the audience the massive audience that all these “experts” have because instead of fear, we are actually creating a friendly world.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>In today's episode, we're talking about official or superficial friendships. How do you know if you actually have a friend, why do you depend on something else or somebody else to include you in a friend group, like these people that are parents who are like, oh, don't worry, you'll make friends when your kids make friends, like through their friends. That is so backward. It should be the other way around. . It should be your friends or your children looking at you as an example of how you treat a friendship and how you create a friendship or when you get into a conflict, how you resolve that conflict, or how you walk away from a friendship to maintain your life and your integrity.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-size:small;">Your friends or people who may be watching you that you aren't even aware of. You are a walking role model in society. You are your own brand ambassador. Everybody is. <br /><br />We also talk about the Greek word PHILOI, a word that roughly translates to "friend". This type of friendship is based on the characteristically Greek value for reciprocity as opposed to a friend that exists as an end to itself. </span></strong></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>We also explore the word friend in old English. . It's spelled F R E O N D and guess what it means? To love. To favor. Isn't that nice?<br /><br />That leads me to another objection I have. There are more and more articles, which is great; talking about friendship and seem to love rules for friendship and I have an objection to that.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;"> Familiar rather than fellowship.</span><br /><br />Official or Superficial - TRANSCRIPT</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hello? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:01]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:03]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> How's it going? How's everybody doing out there? Hello, world. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:07]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hopefully wonderfully, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> so. Objection I have, I've had an objection for a few years now. Major objection. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:15]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Objection?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:16]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. Um, okay, so we've been obviously talking about the Art of Friendship for many years actually, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:24]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I know </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:25]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> many years before we started the podcast.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:29]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> My objection is to all those experts out there that have the degrees and the doctorates and PhDs, whatever, it's the same thing, right? PhD, doctorate, whatever. Even people I really look up to, like, you know, the Brene Browns and the Surgeon General. Ah. Vivek Murthy okay. My objection is this. I keep listening to these guys.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Mm-hmm. and, and I'm not picking any one person out in particular, but Matt, they're saying the same stuff over and over again. They're not offering solutions, which is what we're doing on this podcast. We're offering solutions </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:10]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and we're trying to push the conversation </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> forward. Yeah. But yet, We don't have the notoriety that they do.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:18]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I e like we don't have the gazillion million people. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:24]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> That is true. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:25]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Followers, whatever you wanna call them that they do. But <strong>here's my objection is. I mean, they constantly say when people don't have friends, when they're lonely, it's like, it's going to cause cancer. It's going to cause heart problems. It's like smoking 10 packs a day of cigarettes.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>It's like all they do is scare </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:46]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> <strong>people. Right. Thanks. Thanks for grabbing a headline and then dropping us off a cliff and saying, okay, bye-bye. </strong>And </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I mean, and they're making the headlines, but hello, let's, I mean, we, and we've been offering solutions like every episode, even if we're talking about blockchain is about , the art of friendship and how we can transform our society into a friendlier one, blah, blah.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:15]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> La La la , right? . So that's my objection. And so <strong>today's episode we're talking about official or superficial. How do you know if you actually have a friend</strong>, or sometimes you're feeling like, well, I'll take what I can get. So like a nod in the neighborhood will make you think, oh, my friend. And then, you know, then you can.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:43]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Go down the line and all of a sudden you're like, something will happen and you realize, oh, that's not what, that was really not a friend. And that's where we come in. That's what we've been talking about is the art of friendship and going back to Aristotle and really taking a look at the different kinds of friendships, like we've discussed this on all the episodes, so I'm not gonna bore you again with a repeat.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:05]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So today,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:09]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> official or superficial. Immediately, like I always go to the same example of living on Bainbridge Island and we would see people and they would literally nod and that they thought that that was friendship, but we couldn't get anyone to party with us</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:29]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And by party, I mean like, you know, have a meal with us or hang out, you know, like laugh and just be, to save our lives. Like it was ridiculous. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:42]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right, right. And the assumptions people would make. Oh, well, you know, and they'll make friends when they have children in school and they'll make friends with their children's friends.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:54]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> But then what happens after your children </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:55]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> graduate? But it's also that that's the wrong way to go when. You say, and not just kids. I mean most of our audience who don't have kids, or they're like very young. It's like, wow, <strong>why do you depend on something else or somebody else to include you in a friend group, like these people that are parents who are like, oh, don't worry, you'll make friends when your kids make friends, like through their friends.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>I'm like, whoa, that is so backwards. It should be the other way around. . It should be your friends or your children looking at you as an example of how you treat a friendship and how you create a friendship or when you get into a conflict, how you resolve that conflict, or how you walk away from a friendship to maintain your life, your integrity,</strong> exactly.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:47]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Your children look to you for, to help frame kind of these kinds of relationships, conversations throughout their entire life, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:56]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and not just friendship, I mean not just kids.<strong> But your other friends or people who may be watching you that you aren't even aware of. You are a walking role model in society.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:08]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> <strong>You are your own brand ambassador. </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>Everybody is.</strong> </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:12]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> All right, so going back again, of course, <strong>let's go back and figure out a word PHILOI</strong> again. Once again, guys, I'm so sorry. I'm mispronouncing it. I'll just spell it. P H I L O I. All right. <strong>Here's the translation or the definition.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:36]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>It's a word that roughly translates to "friend". This type of friendship is based on the characteristically Greek value for reciprocity as opposed to a friend that exists as an end to itself. </strong>Matt, I don't understand that definition. . What does, what does that mean when something says, as opposed to a friend that exists as an end to itself, what does that mean, an end to itself?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:02]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You gotta look, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:02]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I think, more at the first part of it. And what they're saying is it's a two-way street. So, You're giving and getting all at once, and that sounds almost mean, or miserly or something because you should just be giving to all your friends Absolutely. All the time. I get it. But you also need to take that slightly, and in my mind it is slightly cynical view and, and making sure that, um, it's a two-way street.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:36]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Making sure that you know they're giving you almost to maybe even better than what you give them. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. Well, all right. <strong>That leads me to another objection I have. Objection. I'm starting to see more and more articles, which is great; talking about friendship. Mm-hmm. and everybody now has rules for friendship and I have an objection to that.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:59]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. As well, because much like when you, our first date, you chose for us to go, what do you call it? Miniature golfing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:08]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah. Bring it. That's old school.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:10]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh my God. That angrified me. . That's my personal word that I developed. Angrify oh, I don't like to play games and I don't like keeping score. I feel rage. So here was Matt.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:22]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> He had a tiny little like notepad. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:25]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You get that stupid </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:26]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> little scorecard, you get the tiny little stub of </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:29]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> a pencil </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:30]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and with such glee he would put down the marks like, you know, cuz he was wi... You know, he was . I had never miniatured golf in my life. I hadn't been </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:39]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> miniature golfing in many years. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:40]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It doesn't.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:41]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. But like, wow. It was like<strong> keeping a score</strong> like that.<strong> I never liked it. I don't like it in games. I don't, I don't like it in the corporate world. I don't like it in friendship.</strong> I don't, I think it's terrible and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:57]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I completely feel you. And that's yet, I completely disagree with you. What? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:02]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> See, this is why you call me Chewbacca because it's the, it's the score</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> keeping them makes me insane.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:08]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It's the glee. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:09]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>Everything should be cooperative</strong>. It's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:11]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> the glee that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:11]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> makes you insane.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> No, it's the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> losing </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:13]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> that you, and here's the thing, <strong>what does cooperative mean? Let's take it, let's take it out of friendship. And I'd liked you talking about it as far as business </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:21]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> <strong>goes. </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. Can you, can you hold your thought because I wasn't done. I wasn't done with my definitions. . All right. Look, I have another, okay, so <strong>friend is old English. . It's spelled F R E O N D and guess what it means? To love. To favor. Isn't that nice?</strong> </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:40]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It is.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:41]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> All right. When you're done explaining your thing, I wanna get back to the list.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> The list people are making that I'm objecting to. Objection. Okay, go ahead. What were you gonna say?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:51]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Cooperative. Right, so if I'm on a team mm-hmm. , it's at work. Let's take it away from games and let's take it out of superficialness and start bringing it to someplace that people feel should be serious and super tangible.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:07]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right? You need to know, or you know, a team, even as a sports team, you need to know that everyone on your team is doing the best they can do, period. And they all know where their, and this, again, we're away from friendship now for just a second, but, takes you away from everybody knows their role. So on a </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> sports, it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> takes you away from that?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:34]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It does, because there are superstars and then there are, you know, there's the people who cart in the water. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:40]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm confused, I'm confused. What are you saying? How does that take you away from it? Because </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:46]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> a friendship should be a lot more 50 50. Work Relationships aren't necessarily, nothing is always, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:52]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm putting forward.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Nothing is always 50 50. Never. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:56]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> That is true. Friendship should be closer though. I understand. I've been in, I've been in work experiences where, you know, I'm the, I'm either the young, young little boy who gets mentored or I am the guy who mentors others. This is Matt </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:09]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Natural progression. Well, exactly.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's my point.<strong> It's never 50 50</strong>. It's never </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:14]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> 50 50. So, <strong>but in those cases it's like 90 10. </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:17]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> All right. But then there will,<strong> if you give a time, if you look at nature, if you look at the ocean, if you look at the water coming in and going out, there's, there's a yin and yang, there's a, there's a time when one person is 80 and the other person is 20.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>But if you give it time and you see. , the change and the movement in nature. Yes, that will flip. And you're right, so it's never 50 50, but if you give it a chance and you keep looking at it, it balances out.</strong> But if you're so focused on your cute little notepad with your like sticks of like, who has more points?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That I feel like it takes away from everything. It takes away from the enjoyment of life. It takes away from the enjoyment of the game. and it brings out the Chewbacca and me that just wants </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:04]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> to, that that is definitely true. And had I known that at the time, no, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but you're still saying that that's it's needed.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> We need to keep score. I'm saying in </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:13]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> a <strong>corporate work environment,</strong> </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:17]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I don't understand </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:18]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> why. because It's important to know, and <strong>it's important to know when you are in the lesser position so you can improve it. And when you're in the superior position, you get paid for it. </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay, I understand. But if you, if that's the only way that it works and that's when, that's just, that's the keeping score.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>When the keeping score is the way it is all the time, that's why people like me can't survive in a world like that because you're giving your own timeline to what score should be. And if you're a creative like me, my timeline is a little bit different, but I guarantee you, I'll offer you something that will be invaluable.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:10]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Invaluable, right? Yes. That means beyond value. Yes. You can't put, you can't put a number on it, right? I guarantee you, I will provide you amazingness, but if, if it's on your particular timeline or your particular exact graphs or specifications or whatever it it, yeah, you're not gonna see my, my, my value.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:35]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You're not going to see it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:36]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What? Nothing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:39]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It's like as soon as , as soon as, let's get back to friendship. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:43]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> No, I wanna figure this out. Oh. Because this, look, you can, I know, but you can translate anything to friendship. So yeah, there are people out there who, actually, this goes back <strong>to the list that if </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:56]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> <strong>you do talk about your friendship, if you run your friendships like you would run a team in a business, then that's a huge mistake.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:04]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> <strong>And I will agree with you a hundred </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:05]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>percent on that. Hold on. But isn't that the problem we're facing with today's world is because? Because business is so separated and it's so patriarchal like that it is so beat it over the head, hunt it down and bring it home; as opposed to cooperative as opposed to let's look at the rhythms of nature and let's look at the value of every everything and how it's being provided rather than stats like that.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:38]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>I think that's why corporations are so messed up and they've messed up our world. </strong>Sorry, Matt is just staring at me like </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:48]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> only I You're absolutely right. Again, I said I a hundred percent agree. Don't run your personal friendships the way a business runs a team, but on a team, you have roles, you have responsibilities, and you're, hopefully paid in conjunction with your role and what you bring to the team.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:07]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I don't know. I mean, now I'm so far removed from the corporate world. I don't know. I, I respect you because you're able to, knock on wood, you're able to navigate through,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:20]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm able to swim through these waters. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. I still don't understand. And I'm just now on a, in an extreme belief over here on my side that corporations need to be run More humanely.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:34]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> More humanely. Thank you. Yes. And you're absolutely right and you know, I'm feel, I feel very blessed right now that I'm working at, you know, my boss is very humane, his boss is very humane. I don't know how far it goes up and down the company, but that's far enough. That's all I need to know and that that's all I need to have to make </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> me happy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:52]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, usually when you have bosses like that, chances are that the company runs humanely. Exactly. When you have humane beautifully minded people that are leaders, chances are the company's that way. Exactly. You know, like attracts like. True. Alright,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:12]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> anyways, back to objections. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Alright, so I'm looking at lists and we found one list that was pretty good , but I have an objection still. Even though this list is pretty great, it's like <strong>40 Rules of Friendship</strong>, first </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:27]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> of all </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:27]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> which sounds like a good </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:28]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> number. Well, I'm also thinking, oh my God, <strong>here we go with more rules</strong>.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>It's like score keeping again</strong>, . But I'm looking through them and they're nice. You know, they're, they're okay. Just hold on a second. Hold on. Let me finish. I'm not gonna read all 40, but. , um, 40 rules of Friendship, right? They're always there for support. They point out your mistakes truthfully, they care about you, but don't smother you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It goes on and on and on, and <strong>what I found was that, wow, this is all about you. And that's what I object to about all these lists. It's like, this is what needs to happen for you. This is what needs to happen for me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me. And that's not it guys. That is not the art of friendship.</strong> <strong>The art of friendship is not what can this person do for me?</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>How can this person make me feel? That's the number two friendship that we always talk about</strong>, right? True. <strong>The person is there because of how they make you feel. That is not a true friend. It's not all about you feeling supported.</strong> <strong>It's all these rules are about that kind of thing, and that's what I'm objecting to is because, so, All right, for a universal copacetic world to occur to happen, where we use what I believe is the art of friendship to truly spread, it's really looking at everyone as your friend, not what can this person do for me, not how I can feel, not what I can do for them, not scoring points.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:10]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>It's just looking at everything and everyone, without any attachment, without any chords, </strong>without any like chords, you know, like you're, you're connected, um, like puppets to each other, , you know what I'm saying? Right. Like straight strings. Right. And I just think that you need, and I've said this before guys, but you need to, I think it would be better if we all looked at things like it was a movie.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:37]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And like I said before, not the way Matt watches movies because my God, he's analyzing every movement and telling you what's gonna happen before it happens. or like picking out flaws in the plot. Just forget it. Just enjoy it and just watch people. Listen to them, look at them and just appreciate them, even though you may think.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I can't appreciate what I'm looking at. Appreciate that. Do you know what I'm saying? Matt? Appreciate looking at something that doesn't even appeal to you. Appreciating that aspect of it. Like, wow, that is so unappealing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:17]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You know, like case in point, like what not to do. When you look at a behavior like, whoa, thank you for showing me that. I don't ever wanna do that. It's a, I think that's what friendship is. Does that make sense? It </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:31]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> does, it does. But if you take a look at, uh, Nichomachian Ethics and Friendship, you know, the, the deepest form of friendship is, I just genuinely like this person.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:44]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right, right. Okay. So do you genuinely like people who ignore you, who never listen to what you have to say? Who only complain about hundred percent of their life and don't even give you elbow room in to talk. And if you offer advice, they just tell you you're being ridiculous or stupid </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:04]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> or silly. That that is where official versus superficial comes in.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Because I would say that would be the superficial friend. Look, we drive on the road and I don't get upset at people. If , oops, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:22]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> sorry about that one. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's Matt's timer. , is there something in the oven? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:27]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> No, I accidentally set the timer. Okay. Wait. I wasn't done Behind the curtain, folks. I usually set a timer so we know how long the episode is.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:35]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Okay, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:36]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> so I forgot what I was saying now. Thanks honey. oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. I always say everybody's your friend. All right, so if someone cuts you off on the road or they're tailgating, they need to get in front of you for whatever reason, but it doesn't matter that you end up at the spot, at the stop sign or the stop light</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> exactly at the same time, it doesn't matter. If they need to be ahead of you and they're acting like a jerk, please just let 'em go. Maybe they need to go to the bathroom. You know, you don't. So when there are mean people out there, I'm like, whoa, our friend is having a bad time. Let's step aside. Right? Let 'em go.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right. Why am I saying this ? What were we saying? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:19]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I don't know. I was about to make my salient point and you cut me </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> off. So. Well, I'm just saying that, that that's where official versus superficial comes in, because I say everybody's your friend. Oh, that person who cut us off on the freeway, . Wow. Our friend really needs to get somewhere, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:36]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:36]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it makes you look at them with compassion, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:38]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> right? So I call everybody our friend, and right there have been points because we have been heartbroken because of people being mean to us. Where our girls were will say, that is not our friend. I'm like, look, the whole world is our friend. Now there's superficial and there's official.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:56]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So I would call those people superficial, right? I'm not that, that's not the true friend. They're still a friend. Look, we're all in this world living on it. It's the same home. We're sharing a home. All right? Yeah. Some superficial friends are demons. Okay, . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:15]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> That is true. Now, back to my original point, . Okay? So again, you know, if this person never listened, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, you would say, yeah, you're right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:26]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> They're not my, they're not my friend. They're not my best friend. They're not my level three, as it were. Nichomachian friends, you're your friends. Hold your friend. Hold on, hold on. They're not a level three friend in the Nichomachian ethics, which is it's not a true friend, which is why it's important to understand why these rules exist, cuz these rules exist to help you identify those people who aren't your true friends.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:50]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> All right? Here's the difference between us. You are very techy. You need points, you need the score sheet. You need to look at graphs . Yes. I'm just telling you I feel it. Yep. I don't feel this person. I'm just going to look at 'em and keep 'em at a distance. Let 'em go over here. So I, they're not in my sphere.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> They're my friend. I feel it and I don't feel it. I don't need stats written on a of pad of paper to tell me who's winning, who's not. It, it just is. Right. Whereas, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:27]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> whereas, whereas I do, because it helps keep me honest and it helps keep </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:31]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> my, my feelings, keep </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:33]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> me honest emotions in check and I understand my emotions are checking where the boundaries </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:39]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> are.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:41]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> My emotions tell me all of that, man, all our, our emotions tell us all, all of that. But I think, I think, yeah, you, you're a techie who knows </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:53]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> an interesting number of </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:54]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> people. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:56]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And I'm an intuitive, who knows? A certain, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:58]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> who knows way more people, . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm just saying, you know, yeah. You operate that way and I, I operate this way.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yep. You could also say, I don't know. You know what? No, I don't wanna get into gender roles. I don't . No, but what I'm saying is, look, I, I, I think, I think, oh, it sounds so, I was gonna say, I think my way is better . Well, of course </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:24]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> you do because it works. It's, it's been your pattern as long as you've been alive and it's served you well.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:30]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Absolutely. It's hard. We tend to do things that we've had </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> success with. Well, I think<strong> it's heart based, Matt, and I think, the way that things have been run in our society for many centuries has not been heart-based. It's not based coming from love , it's based on stats, and that's what I have an objection to.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And I think <strong>that's where I can say this is a superficial, rather than an official thing. It will be superficial to me if it's not coming from the heart both ways. </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:08]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right, right. And I, I see exactly where you come to that. for me, <strong>the delineation between superficial and official lies in, unfortunately, and this is what really sucks, but trial and struggle.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:22]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> <strong>Like what do you do when their life turns upside down or your life turns upside down? If you run away, superficial, if you draw in and they let you draw in official. And unfortunately it's always in that crucible, those crucible moments, </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:43]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>and it doesn't have to be so, </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:45]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> <strong>and it's, it's really unfortunate. </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:47]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>It ha It doesn't have to be so drastic.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:48]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> <strong>I know.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>Because you don't always have to run away, you know, any little tiny movement will be beneficial. Any, anything. It could be just a phone call. It could be like, we've talked about this before. It could be a smile. It could just be saying, I am here. I'm here.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong> That's it. You don't have to get on a plane. You don't have to move the mountains and divide the seas. </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:16]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, particularly not in this time. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So anyway, I also wanna go back to like, okay, let's look at the two other words.<strong> Familiar rather than fellowship.</strong> I think familiar would be in line of superficial, whereas Fellowship would be official Familiar or fellowship Familiar is, yeah.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:37]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I know you, you're in the neighborhood or I know you, you're at the grocery store. We cross paths or going back to Bainbridge Island, yeah, they're familiar. I know when you take out your trash, I know when you take your walk, I see you every day. , but it's not a fellowship, and so don't even try to tell me that this is a friendship, you know?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And I think that's what really got us so worked up is seeing that kind of behavior on that island and realizing, oh, it's not just this island. It's the state of the world right now. Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:14]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Absolutely. Spotting it everywhere. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:18]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and you know, maybe, yeah, some people could say about us, oh, you know what you focus on grows, use your own advice.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What you focus on grows. Like, I'm sure there are people that are like, no, there are friendships everywhere. The world is so loving and the world is filled with friendships. I have so many friends, I'm sure that exists. But as a whole, take a look at what's happening with all the wars. All the injustices right there, they've always </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:46]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> been there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:47]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And all the ways we try and divide ourselves up </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:50]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> so the art of friendship can fix all that. I really believe that. And, and as I said it out loud, I kind of went, Ew. But it's true . It's true. And you know what? Just because it's familiar doesn't make it good. Familiar could be you see the Demonn every day.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You know what the Demonn says, you're familiar with the demonn. It does not make your friend, it's not a fellowship. Right? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:15]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Completely understood. Yes. Another definition of familiar, oh, it's actually a quote unquote </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> noun, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:22]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> uh oh. Is that family? No. What is it? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:25]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Um, wizards in medieval times were believed to have familiars, which were these little critters that would do stuff for them, but they</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:34]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> smart pets or servants or it's all very kind of creepy. Very master servant kind of thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:41]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Interesting. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:42]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Very twisted. But they call them like magicians, familiars. Ooh, so like crows and little. Yeah, nevermind. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:53]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And you see they're not treating them as equals. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:57]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> No, not at all. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:57]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh my God. The crows are so smart.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:59]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Animals are so smart. Unbelievably. Beyond what scientists know. Brilliant. It's ridiculous. When I hear scientists talk about how humans are, so, uh, what's the word? When they're, they elevate the humans. We're so, like, I don't, I don't remember the word you guys, but like, we're like so greater. I always just disagree and unfortunately a lot of scientists that I love mm-hmm.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:31]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> that I respect, say that I'm like, oh, ouch. No , but I'm not gonna get on a vegan. Soapbox, soapbox, soapbox. Where does the term soapbox come </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:44]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> from? I think in England people would stand on soap boxes in, on Speaker's Corner in London, and they're allowed to talk about anything they want and nobody will stop them or some such Got it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:59]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Their dates and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:59]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> times and whatevers. Yeah. You know what? I'm going to be way more careful with the words that I'm using. Like we were on the couch yesterday and I heard someone on TV say, chop, chop. And all of a sudden I'm like, whoa, that doesn't sound right. And I've heard it all my life, but all of a sudden I'm like, you guys is that derogatory?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And we looked it up and sure it was, oh my goodness. So, and then you looked up another one. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:29]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, no, it was brought to my attention head honcho. Yeah. And everybody talks about like kowtow as a word, which again is Yeah. Offensive. But we could, we could spend forever going through offensive words. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:42]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I know. We should, we should do another episode on that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:44]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. We'll explain it. Because we use words without realizing the implications. And we go through life doing things because we've heard them all along. You know what I'm saying? Right. So we need to be conscious of how we, how we move through life. Anyway, so that's it. Anything to add, Matt? I think I'm good.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm good too. I love you guys so much. Thank you for listening to us. If you could please tell the world about us. Tell anyone you can about our podcast and the Art of Friendship movement here, lead them to our podcast. That would help us out. Another thing that's great to show support is to download our episodes leave a kind review.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:29]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You can go to our friendly world podcast.com there's a tab to leave reviews right there and reach out to us also. We love that. Thank you. We'll talk to you in a few days. Be well. Bye.</span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[I have an objection! I mean, they constantly say when people don't have friends when they're lonely, it's going to cause cancer. It's going to cause heart problems. It's like smoking 10 packs a day of cigarettes. It's like all they do is scare people. Thanks. Thanks for grabbing a headline and then dropping us off a cliff and saying, okay, bye-bye. I wish we had the audience the massive audience that all these “experts” have because instead of fear, we are actually creating a friendly world.
In today's episode, we're talking about official or superficial friendships. How do you know if you actually have a friend, why do you depend on something else or somebody else to include you in a friend group, like these people that are parents who are like, oh, don't worry, you'll make friends when your kids make friends, like through their friends. That is so backward. It should be the other way around. . It should be your friends or your children looking at you as an example of how you treat a friendship and how you create a friendship or when you get into a conflict, how you resolve that conflict, or how you walk away from a friendship to maintain your life and your integrity.
Your friends or people who may be watching you that you aren't even aware of. You are a walking role model in society. You are your own brand ambassador. Everybody is. We also talk about the Greek word PHILOI, a word that roughly translates to "friend". This type of friendship is based on the characteristically Greek value for reciprocity as opposed to a friend that exists as an end to itself. 
We also explore the word friend in old English. . It's spelled F R E O N D and guess what it means? To love. To favor. Isn't that nice?That leads me to another objection I have. There are more and more articles, which is great; talking about friendship and seem to love rules for friendship and I have an objection to that.
 Familiar rather than fellowship.Official or Superficial - TRANSCRIPT
[00:00:00] Fawn: Hello? 
[00:00:01] Matt: Hello. 
[00:00:03] Fawn: How's it going? How's everybody doing out there? Hello, world. 
[00:00:07] Matt: Hopefully wonderfully, 
[00:00:08] Fawn: so. Objection I have, I've had an objection for a few years now. Major objection. 
[00:00:15] Matt: Objection?
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Let's talk about rest. R e s t. We're always going, going, going! Doesn't the world to you seem like everything is speeding up faster and faster, and that time is going by incredibly fast, like a rollercoaster fast?<br /><br />Today's episode is on the value of rest and all the different types of rest we need to look at.<br /><br />There are 7 different ways of rest that our bodies need. And when we rest, we are better friends.</strong></span></span></p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>Seven Ways of Rest - TRANSCRIPT</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Woo wee guys, how are you? Hello. Welcome back. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:06]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I feel like, uh, deer Cotton headlights. I don't know what you wanna talk about. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>I wanna talk about rest. R e s t. We're always going, going, going, doesn't the world to you seem like everything is speeding up faster and faster, and that time is going by. incredibly fast, like a rollercoaster, fast.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:32]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> There's a dichotomy for me because if I'm doing a lot of stuff, my individual days go by really fast. But then when I look back what I did a week ago, it seems like a long time ago, it's like a Twilight Zone. So it's a weird thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:49]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So yes, it has sped up and yet has slowed down at the same time. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I feel like most of us are really working. What's the term? Is it a car term? Working on all cylinders? Is that the term?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:05]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Firing on all cylinders. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Firing on all cylinders, constantly nonstop. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:12]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>Today's episode is on the value of...</strong></span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Let's talk about rest. R e s t. We're always going, going, going! Doesn't the world to you seem like everything is speeding up faster and faster, and that time is going by incredibly fast, like a rollercoaster fast?Today's episode is on the value of rest and all the different types of rest we need to look at.There are 7 different ways of rest that our bodies need. And when we rest, we are better friends.
 
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Seven Ways of Rest - TRANSCRIPT
[00:00:00] Fawn: Woo wee guys, how are you? Hello. Welcome back. 
[00:00:06] Matt: I feel like, uh, deer Cotton headlights. I don't know what you wanna talk about. . 
[00:00:11] Fawn: I wanna talk about rest. R e s t. We're always going, going, going, doesn't the world to you seem like everything is speeding up faster and faster, and that time is going by. incredibly fast, like a rollercoaster, fast.
[00:00:32] Matt: There's a dichotomy for me because if I'm doing a lot of stuff, my individual days go by really fast. But then when I look back what I did a week ago, it seems like a long time ago, it's like a Twilight Zone. So it's a weird thing.
[00:00:49] Matt: So yes, it has sped up and yet has slowed down at the same time. 
[00:00:54] Fawn: I feel like most of us are really working. What's the term? Is it a car term? Working on all cylinders? Is that the term?
[00:01:05] Matt: Firing on all cylinders. 
[00:01:06] Fawn: Firing on all cylinders, constantly nonstop. 
[00:01:12] Matt: Yes. 
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Let's talk about rest. R e s t. We're always going, going, going! Doesn't the world to you seem like everything is speeding up faster and faster, and that time is going by incredibly fast, like a rollercoaster fast?<br /><br />Today's episode is on the value of rest and all the different types of rest we need to look at.<br /><br />There are 7 different ways of rest that our bodies need. And when we rest, we are better friends.</strong></span></span></p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>Seven Ways of Rest - TRANSCRIPT</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Woo wee guys, how are you? Hello. Welcome back. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:06]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I feel like, uh, deer Cotton headlights. I don't know what you wanna talk about. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>I wanna talk about rest. R e s t. We're always going, going, going, doesn't the world to you seem like everything is speeding up faster and faster, and that time is going by. incredibly fast, like a rollercoaster, fast.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:32]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> There's a dichotomy for me because if I'm doing a lot of stuff, my individual days go by really fast. But then when I look back what I did a week ago, it seems like a long time ago, it's like a Twilight Zone. So it's a weird thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:49]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So yes, it has sped up and yet has slowed down at the same time. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I feel like most of us are really working. What's the term? Is it a car term? Working on all cylinders? Is that the term?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:05]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Firing on all cylinders. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Firing on all cylinders, constantly nonstop. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:12]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>Today's episode is on the value of rest and all the different types of rest we need to look at.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And perhaps the rest is maybe, and the thing is that I don't have time, like the kind, the amount of rest that I think I need. , I seriously don't have the time for. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:33]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh dear. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:34]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It's terrible. . I haven't even been meditating. You know, I'm a huge meditator. I can't, I can't, no. . And you know what they say is when you don't have time to meditate, you need to be meditating twice as much.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:50]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I remember reading <strong>Herman Hess in 1946, Magister Lutie</strong> wrote that exact thing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:55]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What did he say exactly?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:56]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You had your leading figure. He just got promoted to be the head of this order and all of a sudden his mentor brought in a meditation master for him and he was like, I don't have time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:09]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And he's like, Yeah, you do and he made him meditate and things became clearer. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:15]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. And things can slow down, do slow down when you meditate. So, okay. Meditation is definitely in there. But listen to this. So I don't remember how I came across this, but <strong>there are all these different ways of rest, other types of rest that our bodies need.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:34]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So the<strong> first one is physical rest: which is either passive or active. Passive rest includes sleeping and napping. And then active rest could be like if you go to a a, a yoga class and the stretching or like getting a massage, that would be more active rest, and that's physical rest.</strong> Okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Then there's <strong>Sensory Rest:</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:12]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> ooh, that's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:12]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> a big one. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Do you know what that is? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:14]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, we get bombarded by all sorts of things all the time. Yes. Driving down the road. Or even just on our computers. Or our phones. Absolutely. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And that's why I don't like our podcast being video at the same time, because I think there's something very special about just hearing a human voice and nothing else.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> not concentrating on what we look like, not looking at our backgrounds and what we're wearing. God knows like all the other things that you're thinking about, but if we're just hearing each other's voices, I think that's very calming and it just, it, it's more balancing, you know what I'm saying?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:53]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's why I like podcasts to just be sound. But anyway, so a sensory rest, you're absolutely. <strong>You can get sensory rest by closing your eyes, unplugging from devices, going somewhere quiet.</strong> That's sensory rest. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:15]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Then we have<strong> third one is mental rest, which is taking short breaks throughout your day. Just taking a short break</strong>. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:30]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Then we have <strong>creative rest, and that's when you can get out. At nature, it's about surrounding yourself with images of beauty and art. Whatever makes you feel right</strong>, that is creative rest.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:52]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> There's also<strong> emotional rest which means having the time and space to freely express your feelings and cut back on people pleasing</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:02]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Any comments? Hmm, . Why? Why are you doing the pouty lip? When I said that,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:11]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:12]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> pondering that's all. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What are you thinking about? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:14]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Just different types of rest and Yeah. Mm. Things I've discovered </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:19]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but when I got to emotional rest you started pouting. You made a face.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> There you go. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:25]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> There's a face </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:26]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> again.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What's happening Matt?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:27]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Nothing?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:28]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Nothing. Are you,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:30]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> am I a people pleaser? . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:31]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> No, but I think your emotions, I think you will shut them down because you don't have time to properly feel something. So you store it away. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:39]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, I'm a boy </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:40]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and then other things hap That's terrible. .</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:43]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I know. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:43]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And then other things happen.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:44]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You never have time to release what happened because you didn't have time to process it, and that will make you sick. So let's, okay, when we're done, I want you to go and get some emotional rest. Because you, you power, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:00]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> but I got stuff to do. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> (Fawn sighs with frustration) Moving on. We have </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:05]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>social rest: what is that? </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:08]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Taking a break from people?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:10]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>It's surrounding yourself with positive and supportive people</strong>,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:17]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And then the last one that I have is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:20]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>spiritual rest.</strong> What's that?? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:23]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Meditating on a </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:24]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> ashram, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:25]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>it's the ability to connect beyond the physical and mental and feel a deep sense of belonging, love, acceptance, and purpose.</strong> So those are the types of rest that you need. Anything you wanna add? or anything you wanna express?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:48]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Matt, you look troubled. ? Now I'm troubled. What's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:52]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> happening? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:52]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> No, I'm just thinking about like sometimes like one of the ways I'll rest is I'll shift from activity to activity that are radically different and that I defined to myself is probably terrible to do as rest. So I'm just ping ponging from between activities, but they're not, um, you know, they're, they're maybe strenuous in different ways or they touch on different parts of me, you know, mental, spiritual, um, logical, emotional, physical.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:25]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You know, Hey, I'll take a break from writing code and go spin on the bike, </span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:29]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> After all these years together. I just noticed that about you. It was because of that storm we had last week. You can't sit still . You cannot just be, I just needed, you always need a device or a game or something to, um, make your brain work hard, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:49]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> not hard.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:50]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, for me it's hard , but my God, like I can look at a wall. And be like, look at that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:58]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Not me. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:59]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Look, I can just sit there for a long time. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:01]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Nope. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:02]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What is going on, Matt?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:04]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Have you always been like that? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:06]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Almost.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:07]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Wow. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:09]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Why?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:10]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Just am. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What do you think will happen if you do nothing and you just sit quietly? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:15]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> See, here's the problem. It's almost. Summer camp, we'd go for a hike. Right. Or even, you know, day camp or whatever you want to call it. We go for a hike. Right. And usually about half or a third of the way or two thirds of the way done, you'll take a break.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:30]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. Okay. And everybody just kind of sits on the side of the trail, hydrates a little bit, maybe eats a little nosh and then you set off again. Right. I am never rested. I'm just as tired as when I started taking the break. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:43]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Mm-hmm. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:44]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So it's like the rest does mean no good. As a matter of fact, it almost hurts me because then it just takes longer to finish the silly hike.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You know, I understand what you're saying. When I worked in offices, I hated taking breaks because once I stopped that mad routine of like, go, go, go, go, go, go, go and do, do, do, do, do like quickly and ferociously and with expertise and like all this energy. and then you take a 10 minute break or even a 30 minute break.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> By the way, in America, you get, you're lucky if you get a 30 minute break to go buy lunch or get your lunch, eat it, and then be back in the office all within 30 minutes. Guys, that's not okay. But anyway, that's another show. So, but I remember, I'm like, ugh, I, I don't want to take a break because once I take a break, it's so hard to wind up again to that level right of extreme.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:40]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Doing Right. So it's more painful. So I'd rather just keep going through the pain and not know what I'm missing, which is I could be relaxing . You know what I'm saying? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:51]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Absolutely. No, I, I work so much better. I'm sharpest first thing in the morning, and after lunch I'm dullest. And it's just how, it's how I've always been.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:02]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And I hear about people who aren't that way and I'm like, Well, good for you being like terrible first thing in the morning, but better after, after lunch. I am at my worst at the end of the day. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. Yeah. With so many things like, people who do voiceovers, I was just told don't do it. When at the end of the day, like, don't record.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>At the end of a long day, you're tired, you're not as good, So we need rest, you guys. </strong></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:31]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> <strong>All sorts of rest. </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>Yeah. Everything also needs rest. Yes. Sometimes you can't figure something out that you need to work on, like a problem; you can't find a solution, let it rest. The answer will find you </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:46]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> <strong>definitely true.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:47]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But you need to physically rest your body and your mind and your spirit . Because something else will find you ,will knock you on the head. Don't let that happen. Just, yeah, please get some rest. Love you. That's all I have to say today. Quick. Get some rest, guys. Come on. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:08]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Fair enough.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:09]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Let's have a little nap. Or let's go outside and play.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Or let's go outside and just be and listen to the birds.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:18]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Curl up with a blanket and have a good cry and stare at the wall. Well, in my case, sometimes I stare at the wall , but like, have a good cry. Watch a movie, get some ice cream. Whatever makes you feel good, go and do it right now. That's, that's an order,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:38]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Love you guys. Talk to you later. Thanks for listening. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:42]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Be well </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:43]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> talk to you soon. Bye.</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Let's talk about rest. R e s t. We're always going, going, going! Doesn't the world to you seem like everything is speeding up faster and faster, and that time is going by incredibly fast, like a rollercoaster fast?Today's episode is on the value of rest and all the different types of rest we need to look at.There are 7 different ways of rest that our bodies need. And when we rest, we are better friends.
 
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Seven Ways of Rest - TRANSCRIPT
[00:00:00] Fawn: Woo wee guys, how are you? Hello. Welcome back. 
[00:00:06] Matt: I feel like, uh, deer Cotton headlights. I don't know what you wanna talk about. . 
[00:00:11] Fawn: I wanna talk about rest. R e s t. We're always going, going, going, doesn't the world to you seem like everything is speeding up faster and faster, and that time is going by. incredibly fast, like a rollercoaster, fast.
[00:00:32] Matt: There's a dichotomy for me because if I'm doing a lot of stuff, my individual days go by really fast. But then when I look back what I did a week ago, it seems like a long time ago, it's like a Twilight Zone. So it's a weird thing.
[00:00:49] Matt: So yes, it has sped up and yet has slowed down at the same time. 
[00:00:54] Fawn: I feel like most of us are really working. What's the term? Is it a car term? Working on all cylinders? Is that the term?
[00:01:05] Matt: Firing on all cylinders. 
[00:01:06] Fawn: Firing on all cylinders, constantly nonstop. 
[00:01:12] Matt: Yes. 
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Everything is a gift, but it's not your responsibility to accept every gift that's given to you. Just because someone offers you something, does not mean you have to accept it. <br /><br /><br />    The word "gift" has been around for a long, long time, and when you get into German and you break it down, it basically means to give or receive, or natural talent. But if you keep looking further into the etymology and other aspects of the gift, it's also meaning "poison". Let's look at the word poison: deadly potion or substance, also figuratively, spiritually corrupting ideas, evil intentions.<br /><br />     Be choosy and pick the loveliest gifts. That's with friendships, that's with everything in your life; what you surround yourself with. </strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>When do you know how to let go of the gift (the good gift)? When a gift has already served you, perhaps it's time to share that gift. That gift could be something like, you'll learn how to do something, so then you become someone's mentor. You're gifting them your experience and helping them out.</strong><br /><br /></span></span></p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>The Gift – TRANSCRIPT</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Welcome back guys. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:02]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:03]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hello. Lovies loves. Hello friends. . Hello. Welcome back, . You know, welcome back. I learned from a swami that everything is a gift, but it's not your responsibility to accept every gift that's given to you. And. That came to me at a point where I was feeling, the weight of everything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:28]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And there were people that were mean to me that there were situations where I, I was being faced with that I was just handling everything. And last week we talked about the power of saying no, and I was saying that, it's become so rude now that people have gone overboard with a word no you know, like, no, I choose not to.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Like that kind of, no, but looking at everything in life as a gift, you are not meant to experience everything. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:03]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> What do you mean?</span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[Everything is a gift, but it's not your responsibility to accept every gift that's given to you. Just because someone offers you something, does not mean you have to accept it.     The word "gift" has been around for a long, long time, and when you get into German and you break it down, it basically means to give or receive, or natural talent. But if you keep looking further into the etymology and other aspects of the gift, it's also meaning "poison". Let's look at the word poison: deadly potion or substance, also figuratively, spiritually corrupting ideas, evil intentions.     Be choosy and pick the loveliest gifts. That's with friendships, that's with everything in your life; what you surround yourself with. When do you know how to let go of the gift (the good gift)? When a gift has already served you, perhaps it's time to share that gift. That gift could be something like, you'll learn how to do something, so then you become someone's mentor. You're gifting them your experience and helping them out.
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The Gift – TRANSCRIPT
[00:00:00] Fawn: Welcome back guys. 
[00:00:02] Matt: Hello. 
[00:00:03] Fawn: Hello. Lovies loves. Hello friends. . Hello. Welcome back, . You know, welcome back. I learned from a swami that everything is a gift, but it's not your responsibility to accept every gift that's given to you. And. That came to me at a point where I was feeling, the weight of everything.
[00:00:28] Fawn: And there were people that were mean to me that there were situations where I, I was being faced with that I was just handling everything. And last week we talked about the power of saying no, and I was saying that, it's become so rude now that people have gone overboard with a word no you know, like, no, I choose not to.
[00:00:51] Fawn: Like that kind of, no, but looking at everything in life as a gift, you are not meant to experience everything. 
[00:01:03] Matt: What do you mean?
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Everything is a gift, but it's not your responsibility to accept every gift that's given to you. Just because someone offers you something, does not mean you have to accept it. <br /><br /><br />    The word "gift" has been around for a long, long time, and when you get into German and you break it down, it basically means to give or receive, or natural talent. But if you keep looking further into the etymology and other aspects of the gift, it's also meaning "poison". Let's look at the word poison: deadly potion or substance, also figuratively, spiritually corrupting ideas, evil intentions.<br /><br />     Be choosy and pick the loveliest gifts. That's with friendships, that's with everything in your life; what you surround yourself with. </strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>When do you know how to let go of the gift (the good gift)? When a gift has already served you, perhaps it's time to share that gift. That gift could be something like, you'll learn how to do something, so then you become someone's mentor. You're gifting them your experience and helping them out.</strong><br /><br /></span></span></p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>And to gift us, tell others about our podcast, and leave a kind review. Thank you!</strong></span></span></p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>The Gift – TRANSCRIPT</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Welcome back guys. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:02]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:03]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hello. Lovies loves. Hello friends. . Hello. Welcome back, . You know, welcome back. I learned from a swami that everything is a gift, but it's not your responsibility to accept every gift that's given to you. And. That came to me at a point where I was feeling, the weight of everything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:28]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And there were people that were mean to me that there were situations where I, I was being faced with that I was just handling everything. And last week we talked about the power of saying no, and I was saying that, it's become so rude now that people have gone overboard with a word no you know, like, no, I choose not to.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Like that kind of, no, but looking at everything in life as a gift, you are not meant to experience everything. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:03]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> What do you mean?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:04]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> On your own? When someone offers you something, you don't have to accept it. Just because someone offers you a gift, cuz that gift could be not nice </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:16]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and Yes, absolutely. And of course and as we all well know, there are the dueling sayings of don't look to gift horse in the mouth and, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:24]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:25]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> yeah, but you, I think mostly we are feeling like, oh, we can't turn down a gift. Do you know what I'm saying? Or like, even when bad things happen, we're like, well, that's a gift, , </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:38]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> but , let's, well, we, we attempt to frame things in a positive way. Hmm.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:42]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. Oh, well let's get into the etymology of gift. Let's just figure out what that is. Which is really bizarre; what I'm about to read. Okay, so a gift, the entymology of it is "that which is given". It comes from Scandinavian, old Norse, which looks exactly like gift, gift or gift gift.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Good luck. Proto Germanic Geftiz, G E F T I Z, source also of Old Saxon gift. So basically the word gift goes way, way, way back. But when you get to, when you go to like old Friesian, which is Jefte, I don't know how you pronounce it, you guys. It's J E F T E. Middle Dutch is G H I F T E.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:36]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> The word "gift" has been around for a long, long time, and when you get into the German and you break it down, it basically means to give, but if you keep looking further into it, there's G H A B H. , which again means to give or receive. And we're also looking at it's also a natural talent, it means all these things.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:03]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But for German, G I F T, Dutch, Danish, Swedish, G I F T, it's also meaning "poison". </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:14]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh dear. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:15]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Isn't that interesting? So let's look at the word poison. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:18]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh man. I don't know if I want to go there. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It means also poison: a deadly potion or substance, also figuratively, spiritually corrupting ideas, evil intentions.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:36]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It goes on. But isn't that interesting, Matt, considering what we were taught by a Swami a long time ago, and the fact that gift is also linked with "poison', like the word is the same as poison. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:52]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah. Yeah. Well, honestly, to me it depends on the nature of the, what you're being offered, you know what exactly is on offer?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:02]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So you really wanted to talk about this today. What brought this up for you? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:09]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You hear about a lot of people. I hear rather, from, people around me of just instances where it's one of these things that, Hmm. Best way to describe it is, I used to think I was super wise, cause all my friends would come to me and talk to me about all sorts of stuff that, you know, was really weighing on them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:29]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And it was usually something they were emotionally connected to. And because I wasn't emotionally connected to it, I could clearly see what was going on in their world and they were like, oh, you're so right. Matt And I felt brilliant until I was emotionally connected to stuff and then I couldn't let it go and, and whatever.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:44]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So I've been talking with people around me lately and they're, There's a lot of history and there's a lot of things going on, and there's a lot of commitments and people are bringing them things that they need them to do, and these people are saying, okay, yes, absolutely. So instead of necessarily a gift, I'm just, I've been thinking more about people being, asked to accept</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:10]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> basically a burden or a poison maybe. Mm-hmm. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right? Exactly. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:14]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And, and these people don't feel like they're in a place where they can say no. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:17]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right. Like, I felt like that with my family, and that's why I had to completely separate myself from them completely. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:26]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:27]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Because they were, that's what they kept offering me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:31]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And it was because what, what? Because you're related. , whatever the situation is, so you're supposed to take it. You're supposed to take everything that they throw out at you, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:44]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:44]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> No, you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> don't.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:46]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Due to these types of obligations. And as a, in point of fact, recently, there's an NFL team that's maybe not doing so well.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:54]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Uh, Indianapolis Colts and they fired their head coach. and they offered the job to another guy. The other guy said, who was, I think he might have been the quarterback's coach. It doesn't matter. He wasn't the head coach, but he was one of the important quote unquote important coaches. And he said, no thanks.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:13]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> He actually, and everybody was like, because it's almost like it's un-American to say, I don't want this promotion, or I don't want this promotion right now. And people look at you like you're fundamentally flawed somehow if you turn it down; in the same way, they look at you like you're, I don't know, ungrateful if you, if it's a familial obligation and you turn it down, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:38]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:39]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Like people looked at me all evil and I'm sure they still do if they find out that I had to cut off my family . But yeah, I'm not obligated. Just because you're related to someone doesn't mean that you have to put up with abuse, right? No one has to put up with abuse. And I hear people all the time saying, oh God, bless them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:59]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Look at that. They were totally beaten up as a kid. They were totally abused, but they got it back together. They're back together. They forgave and they're back together. And I think most people that I, I used to talk to would say that about me. I'm like, NO. You know, some people won't change. Some people just don't.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And you have to be okay with that. You have to accept that, and it's hard. It's like a huge magnet, always pulling you back to these people that are constantly hurting you or a situation that is constantly hurting you because you feel like you have to keep accepting it and you don't. You know, a long time ago, I was on a huge photo shoot.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:44]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> We were out in the bush, we were in Ethiopia,. I shared this this whole excursion with a famous photographer, meaning we split the cost in half. Mm-hmm. , I was an unknown photographer, not sponsored by anyone. I was working for myself, and he was sponsored by a whole bunch of galleries and huge companies.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:07]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> everything was paid for for him. You know what I'm saying? Right. And it was so abusive. He was so disgusting. He was horrible to pretty much everybody and the earth, like horrible, egotistical horribleness. And, and I kept putting up with it. And, um, one day after so many things went down after our lives were in danger for like the fifth time</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:37]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> one of the people that we traveled with, we, we traveled with two people. Mm-hmm. one is a person who drives and the other person is responsible for negotiating with the tribes and like, speaks the language, speaks the lang. They both speak the language. Oh, okay. But like, but yeah, maneuvering things and making sure that you're safe, um, that everything is copacetic, that you don't do anything wrong.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:59]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That basically they keep you safe. Anyway, one day we were sitting by the fire and it was just me and them. The, the other photographer was off somewhere and they're like, they, they were talking to me, but they weren't talking at me. They were like, why do you keep accepting this? Like, and then shortly before that, I overheard them talking about me and they were saying, it must be self-esteme.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:29]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Now, I don't know if they were talking about me, but that rang true. I'm like, if it is me that they're talking about, it's true. I didn't believe in myself. I didn't feel like, I felt like I deserved it. Whatever. Whatever it was. You know what I'm saying? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:45]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I do </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> that. I, it's okay. I'm used to it, and that changed me forever.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:52]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm like, wait a minute. I don't deserve this abuse. I don't deserve this ugliness. I don't deserve this crap. And that changed me. And I'm here to let you know that of all the gifts in the world, be choosy and pick the loveliest gifts for yourself. That's with friendships, that's with everything in your life, what you surround yourself with.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:18]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And we have to remember that. And sometimes we need a friend gifting us the harsh truth of, wow, you must have so low self-esteem, . Ouch. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:30]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> But sometimes, yes, you're right. It is necessary. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I mean, and you know what? It didn't hurt. It was like an eye-opening experience. It didn't hurt my feelings because I knew that they felt about me; they looked at me like I was special. That I was, I was, I. Of value to the world, and they couldn't believe that I had low self-esteem. You know what I'm saying? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:55]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Absolutely. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:55]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So as a friend, we're letting you know that you are worth it. You are magnificent and special, and you deserve beautiful gifts.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:07]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So take a look around and see. , what's the word, Matt? Is it perfunctory? Things are around you? Like what does that mean? Just think perfunctory just </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:17]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> means you're just taking a look at what's going on and you're just like, yeah, okay. Like </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:20]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> you're peripheral . What you, you're just like, eh, whatever. But like what kind of stuff around you is just, there is stuff in your life?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:30]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Take a good look at everything. Everything should have beautiful significance, don't you think, Matt? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:38]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I. I do. And even moments in time, like one of the things that's been so interesting in, you know, moving is everything's new and all of a sudden you're really looking at the entire world with what they call zen mind, beginner's mind.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:55]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You're looking at everything brand new because guess what? Everything is brand new. and it's about holding onto that feeling. And it's about, it's about this morning, we looked across the street, the light was really pretty this morning, and we looked across the street at a building and, and I was like, wow, look at that building, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:12]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And, and, and you said, yeah, but look at those birds on that tree. And I'm like, what birds? I didn't see 'em because I'm short and there was only like, there was. 30 birds on this street. Right. And I didn't see it, but it's, you were like, it's about paying attention. It's about, and it's about looking at things and really saying, this is beautiful.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:32]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Mm-hmm. . And, you know, maybe even dare to say, I deserve this. I deserve to feel this way. I, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:40]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> et cetera, I deserve. My life deserves for me to pause and honor this thing, or the thing deserves being honor. Right. And , you never know. It's not just for you, but other people. So as we were looking at this thing, Matt was wanting to keep walking, but I'm like, of course.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:58]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Like, hold on, hold on. So we were in the parking lot and I was standing in a parking spot. Okay. I didn't realize it was a parking spot. And I was like, oh my God, Matt, look, not just at the birds, but I'm like, the light is so bizarre right now. It's so beautiful. There was like dark clouds, but everything was not dark like, like dark as in like, whoa, dark woo</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:28]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I can't talk today. But it wasn't like sinister. It was like this beautiful dark shade, and the buildings were illuminated, and then the trees in front of them were like hyper illuminated like gold. Beautiful. And I was like, wow. And I didn't wanna move. I was just like, oh my goodness. And the air smelled lovely.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:54]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> The air did smell lovely, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:56]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> delicious. and then I realized there's a woman trying to pull into that parking spot that I was in. Like I was standing there and I, and I looked at her, I'm like, oh my God, I'm sorry. So like a pigeon, I like kind of flew up and like got on the sidewalk . But, and then we went into the, it was a coffee shop, you guys, so we went into the coffee shop and we were taking forever ordering cuz we were talking to our friend who works there and she, we were, I don't know, it was taking forever.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:22]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And the same lady who was waiting for me to move so she could park, she was right behind us. I'm like, oh no, it's you again. I'm, I'm sorry. Oh yes, . I said, oh no, I'm sorry. I'm holding you up again. And she's like, no, no, it's okay. And by the way, what were you looking at ? So we told her and she said, I wish I would've looked.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:43]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I didn't realize, I wish I would've seen it, because she was like, why were you standing there? And what were you looking at? Like, I was wondering. So we told her. Right. Anyway, it's even connections are everywhere.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:55]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Everywhere. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:56]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So the gift could spread, right? But also a gift could get moldy</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:04]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, that's the other thing. You know, what are, what are, you know, things that people accept that maybe they shouldn't. and you know, I did briefly talk about the guy who was offered the promotion and turned it down because heaven forbid you turned down a promotion. But </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> also, like when I said a gift can get moldy is perhaps it's time to pass the gift along to someone else.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:27]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Sometimes it is</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:27]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> to, keep it going, like flowing water. If water is left stagnant, it gets dirty. And moldy. But if it keeps flowing, the gift can still be beautiful and shiny. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:42]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:42]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So when do you know how to let go of the gift? The good gift. Do you know what I'm saying? The good one, because it always, it, it already served your purpose and it will be with you forever.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:55]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So now perhaps it's time to share that gift , right. That gift could be something like, you'll learn how to do something, so then you become someone's mentor. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:06]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh, okay. That's fair. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:07]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So you're gifting them your experience and helping them out. Right. It's phenomenal. Like I, I have a mentor and Wow, I'm so grateful because it will like, I, okay, it's like going school.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I always envied people at university because I had to work so hard and pay in cash for every, every, every class I had at university and I couldn't afford to finish and get a degree, and I always felt bad about that. And I looked at other people who were at University, who had it taken care of by their parents, or they got grants or they got financial aid.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You know, they had help in some way, in some fashion where they could just go to school and focus on going to school. I never had that luxury and I saw it as a luxury. Mm-hmm. , and I would look at these people who would go to these lecture halls. I'm like, look at that. Sorry guys. I left my. Where is it ? It's probably in your jacket.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So, but I would look at these people who would go to class to school and I'm like, wow. All they have to do is go and sit down and be fed information where I have to go pound the streets and maybe take months and sometimes years to understand how to do something or to get exposed to a certain level of something where I can be in the "in" crowd.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:42]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right. But when you have, you know what I mean? It's a </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:44]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> gift. It is. And you know, I'm sitting over here feeling a little guilty cuz I was in the latter. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You shouldn't feel guilty. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:52]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And you shouldn't feel guilty. It was a gift. Appreciate it for what it was. Be thankful for what it was because yeah, that's all I had to do was sit in a lecture hall and be spoon fed information.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:03]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Awesome. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:03]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, in you. . I didn't know a lot back then, and I'm sure everything I experienced is a gift for me, right? Because I turned out the way I did. You know? Uh, obviously it has some greater purpose that I'm, that maybe I, I'm, it's more than I'm aware of. The purpose is more than I'm aware of.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:27]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You know, there's a reason for everything. I believe that. Mm-hmm. . So anyway, many kinds of gifts and have you ever gotten a gift? This happened at our wedding. Have you ever gotten a gift that is so wrapped; beautifully wrapped, but there's crap inside.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:48]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh dear. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> When we got married, for those of you who've been listening to us for a long time, you've heard us talk about our wedding. We were on our friend's podcast who's a wedding planner, and it was an hour long show where we told her every detail about what happened at our wedding. It was crazy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:07]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Anyway, so many, it's a movie, but one of the other things that went wrong in our wedding was the photographer who was a supposed friend of mine. , every photograph he took was terrible. Out of focus. Horrible. I mean, so many things. I don't wanna get into it. I'm gonna get really angry again. Huh, guys? So he wrapped everything, like all the negatives and everything in this beautiful box, like really well wrapped.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:41]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Really, he did it because he didn't want me to open it right away in front of him. And to see, because he knew I wasn't a hurry, that I would only like meet him for like 30 seconds to grab the pictures and leave. So it was beautifully wrapped. Like a present. Mm-hmm. , pretty little bow and everything. And then when we got home, I opened it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I was like, what the hell is this? ? Horrible guys. Horrible. Like seriously, we don't have any photos of our wedding. The few that were, that I salvaged myself, I had to completely Photoshop and only print very, very, very, very small pictures cuz they're terrible. Anyway, I digress. Yes, but always look at like don't be fooled by the package.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:32]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> True. Definitely true. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:34]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Any other gifts you can think? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:36]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, I was thinking about it and I was more thinking about things people might offer that maybe you should, you need to think twice and three times about, and one of those things really is, I don't really participate a lot on like a Facebook as far as social networking goes, but welcome to LinkedIn because, well, there you go, as a professional, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:57]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Just because somebody sends you a friend request, or a LinkedIn request doesn't mean you have to say, okay. And I know there's like this weird statusy thing about, oh yes, I have 500 plus connections, but if you don't know these people, if you can't vouch for these people, are you gonna have guilt by association by just being connected to these people?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:17]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Something to really think about. It's, it's, it's a very delicate thing to bring someone into your circle, to bring someone into your list, your network. , and it's something to really consider and really be careful about. Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Is it nourishing or is it poison? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:36]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And there you go, nourishing and poison.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:38]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And also, you know, looking at another instance where they're always like, oh, you should never, ever, ever accept a counter offer. So when you leave a job, oftentimes as you're saying, I redesign, they're like, oh, you know, of course we'll match your salary. What do you, what do you need to stay?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:56]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> People always say, don't do it. Don't ever do it. And the real,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Why? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:01]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> The reason, well, the rationale behind it and, you know, to say never, it's more of a, mostly like, almost never. Mm-hmm. . But the problem is, is that, there are reasons why you started looking. Mm-hmm. , it's never, it's rarely ever just the money.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:20]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> There's usually other stuff and sometimes it's just, I want a new challenge or a change of scenery. I want to see what life is out there cuz maybe you've been in a job too long. Sometimes it's a toxic boss, which is not gonna be fixed by money. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:34]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So Matt, would this be equivalent to a friendship or like a romantic relationship where you say, I wanna leave and then they talk you into staying so you stay, but then they always know</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:48]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> that you were planning to leave. So then it's also an opportunity for them to be the one that leaves or makes you leave. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:55]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And and there you go. And that's the other thing that they, they always talk about is they, um, is certainly if you've already resigned and then they need to make, and they, they dragged you back and you stayed and maybe you're doing what exactly what you did before, but if they have to make cuts, you're at the top of the list</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:13]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> because you were gonna leave anyways. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:15]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You're suspect. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:16]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Exactly. . </span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:18]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And then there's that whole sense of refusing drama.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:20]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I had a friend that would always say, , and it seemed so inopportune. Is that the word? What's the word? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:29]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You have to gimme the complete thought. Inopportune is a good word, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but it, it seemed harsh. Like you're in the middle of something and the person says, save the drama for your mama, Hao. Save the drama for your mama.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:43]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> which is funny because I've heard the kids say it. Mm-hmm. , I'm like, Hey, I don't want it. , . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:49]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It's just, yeah. Sometimes it's like, you know, you need to weigh it and you need to figure out whether or not, you're willing to continue forward. And sometimes it's continue forward in a relationship with someone, friendship, et cetera.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:03]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Accepting the fact that, you know, they're, they want you to accept this level of. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and sometimes you have to be clear of what you are willing to accept. For example, talking about actual physical gifts, I've had to tell so many of our friends, please don't send us gifts, please, because we want to have a minimal household, meaning that we don't want a bunch of stuff.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:29]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> we don't want a lot of things right? So please stop buying gifts because you're trying to show your affection. You're trying to show that you love us and you love the kids. You don't have to buy something. We're all about experience, so you don't need to buy a physical thing and then some, and then they don't get it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So then I have to say, look, it's a burden when you send us gifts. You know, like I don't want a bunch of stuff. Right. or like remember like plastic stuff. Like I couldn't stand anything plastic. Mm-hmm. or toxic, you know, like people don't realize something is to, you know, they just buy stuff because it's cute.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right. I'm like, oh my God, this will end up in the landfill. Yep. Like, please don't, because we would never buy this. Right. Um, so please don't, so you have to explain things several times. So you have to explain, I. You have to let people know what you're about and what you're willing to accept on all levels.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:30]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yes. Not just like physical, cute, little gifts, right? You have to express to people what you're willing to express. To what you're willing to accept. Accept, accept. Accept. , not except . English is very bizarre. It is. English is so hard. Too many </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:49]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> rules. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:50]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Ugh. Too many rules and then they're like, oh, in this case we we're gonna break this rule.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Anyway, that's another show. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:57]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh dear. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:57]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> For those of you studying English around the world, I'm sorry. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:01]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Me too.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:02]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> My goodness. I mean, seriously. And I don't even wanna get into the semicolon punctuation. Anyway. All right. Are we, are we done? I think we're done. Is that our message for today? That is our message today.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:16]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Here's a little gift for you. Accept it or not . We love you so much. Thank you for the gift of listening. We love you so much and we'll talk to you in a few days. Take care. Be well. Bye.</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Everything is a gift, but it's not your responsibility to accept every gift that's given to you. Just because someone offers you something, does not mean you have to accept it.     The word "gift" has been around for a long, long time, and when you get into German and you break it down, it basically means to give or receive, or natural talent. But if you keep looking further into the etymology and other aspects of the gift, it's also meaning "poison". Let's look at the word poison: deadly potion or substance, also figuratively, spiritually corrupting ideas, evil intentions.     Be choosy and pick the loveliest gifts. That's with friendships, that's with everything in your life; what you surround yourself with. When do you know how to let go of the gift (the good gift)? When a gift has already served you, perhaps it's time to share that gift. That gift could be something like, you'll learn how to do something, so then you become someone's mentor. You're gifting them your experience and helping them out.
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The Gift – TRANSCRIPT
[00:00:00] Fawn: Welcome back guys. 
[00:00:02] Matt: Hello. 
[00:00:03] Fawn: Hello. Lovies loves. Hello friends. . Hello. Welcome back, . You know, welcome back. I learned from a swami that everything is a gift, but it's not your responsibility to accept every gift that's given to you. And. That came to me at a point where I was feeling, the weight of everything.
[00:00:28] Fawn: And there were people that were mean to me that there were situations where I, I was being faced with that I was just handling everything. And last week we talked about the power of saying no, and I was saying that, it's become so rude now that people have gone overboard with a word no you know, like, no, I choose not to.
[00:00:51] Fawn: Like that kind of, no, but looking at everything in life as a gift, you are not meant to experience everything. 
[00:01:03] Matt: What do you mean?
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="color:#0000cc;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><span style="color:#000000;">Someone you help out that you love, who also loves you may turn on you. We've all heard the term “hurt people hurt.” The people who have hurt in them, who've experienced some sort of abuse (emotional pain or even physical pain) tend to lash out. Not everybody does that, but it's kind of like having a wound and you have to let the puss or whatever is in there come out. <br /><br />We live in a world where we're all interconnected. So how do we handle that kind of outburst or conflict? How do we handle that when that's us or someone we see who's needing to vent or who's needing to clear all that stuff out? How can we get rid of all that stuff from the inside, release it, and how do we deal with it when we have to deal with other people in our community? The world is our community. What one person experiences, we all experience. How do we release this hurt safe way? In today's episode, we use the character Nate from the TV series Ted Lasso to explore who we pay attention to and how to create a loving way to release hurt and pain.</span></strong></span></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. Are we ready? Yeah. No, , come </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:03]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> on. It's early or it's late or it's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> something. Hi everybody. Hello. How are you doing? What are you doing out there? Where are you? Hmm. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:14]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> We </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> had a power outage yesterday. We still kind of do. Now we have no internet, but I'm, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">we're </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:19]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> very thankful for electricity </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:20]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> today. We are so thankful Matt and I.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Matt and I got caught out there, . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:25]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> We were being stupid or </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:27]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> silly. Oh my God. We were so stupid, silly. We went out in a major storm. The </span></span></p>
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[00:00:00] Fawn: Okay. Are we ready? Yeah. No, , come 
[00:00:03] Matt: on. It's early or it's late or it's 
[00:00:06] Fawn: something. Hi everybody. Hello. How are you doing? What are you doing out there? Where are you? Hmm. 
[00:00:14] Matt: We 
[00:00:14] Fawn: had a power outage yesterday. We still kind of do. Now we have no internet, but I'm, 
we're 
[00:00:19] Matt: very thankful for electricity 
[00:00:20] Fawn: today. We are so thankful Matt and I.
[00:00:23] Fawn: Matt and I got caught out there, . 
[00:00:25] Matt: We were being stupid or 
[00:00:27] Fawn: silly. Oh my God. We were so stupid, silly. We went out in a major storm. The 
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="color:#0000cc;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><span style="color:#000000;">Someone you help out that you love, who also loves you may turn on you. We've all heard the term “hurt people hurt.” The people who have hurt in them, who've experienced some sort of abuse (emotional pain or even physical pain) tend to lash out. Not everybody does that, but it's kind of like having a wound and you have to let the puss or whatever is in there come out. <br /><br />We live in a world where we're all interconnected. So how do we handle that kind of outburst or conflict? How do we handle that when that's us or someone we see who's needing to vent or who's needing to clear all that stuff out? How can we get rid of all that stuff from the inside, release it, and how do we deal with it when we have to deal with other people in our community? The world is our community. What one person experiences, we all experience. How do we release this hurt safe way? In today's episode, we use the character Nate from the TV series Ted Lasso to explore who we pay attention to and how to create a loving way to release hurt and pain.</span></strong></span></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. Are we ready? Yeah. No, , come </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:03]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> on. It's early or it's late or it's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> something. Hi everybody. Hello. How are you doing? What are you doing out there? Where are you? Hmm. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:14]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> We </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> had a power outage yesterday. We still kind of do. Now we have no internet, but I'm, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">we're </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:19]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> very thankful for electricity </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:20]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> today. We are so thankful Matt and I.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Matt and I got caught out there, . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:25]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> We were being stupid or </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:27]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> silly. Oh my God. We were so stupid, silly. We went out in a major storm. The </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:33]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> storm was kind of over. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:35]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> No, it was still, I mean, no. Yeah, the remnants of it were still here, so we had a huge power outage and it was scary. It was our first time in our new living here.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:47]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> where we experienced a major storm and the lights were out normally we're prepared. Right. Normally I'm like very well. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:56]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> We had, we, we went without power for like 10 or 12, 14 </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">days, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> days, days. I know, and I'm usually very like the military, like I have everything set up. I know exactly where everything is.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I have hot water stored for us. But this, I've been so relaxed ever since we've settled here. , I don't know if that's good or bad, Matt. Anyway, while the kids were still sleeping and everything was still dark, we're like, let's go get them and surprise them with some hot chocolate. Yeah. And that way we can figure out does anyone have power out there in the world, or is, is it just our little area?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:30]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Anyway, we got stuck out. , all these trees were down. We didn't, I thought, we thought we could make it back because we found a way to get out of town. Not town, but like get into the major part of town. But on the way back, everything was closed off, like everything, and we couldn't get back home.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:47]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And I started to, I I, I was about to start crying. , right? Yeah. You panicked. But I was panicking. And then the police, you were like, let's just pull over and ask the police, like explain to them what we're trying to do. We were trying to get. and I'm like, I don't . Uh, no, uh, I don't, I don't because I was driving.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right, right. I'm like, oh my God. So we, we get closer to the cop and stop picking at your stuff. Matt hurt his finger and he had to go to that doctor and now he keeps picking at it. Anyway, stop it. So what happened was I was, I think I was scared and you know, those of you who know me in person, I cannot hide my emotions.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:29]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Like you can read everything on my face. I can't hide. And so I probably looked terrified cuz I, I'm from la I'm used to like being afraid of the police. So , I think the closer we got, my eyes probably looked like humongous. Like I looked probably insane to him, like cuz I was scared to talk to him. and he's like, Hey, don't worry, I don't bite.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:55]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> He didn't say it like that. What did he say? He was cute. He was like, don't worry, I don't </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:58]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> bite. I didn't hear it like that. I did, I did not hear it like that because I'm like, okay. Cuz he was motioning for me to come closer and as I did like what, six inches and moved the car. He is like, stop. Like he yelled at me to stop my god.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What? Lord. He mercy. He's like, where do you live? ? Oh, let me guess from your perspective. He was like, he was lovely. Where do you live? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:25]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:25]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> He was charming. Mm, white man. Perspective colored woman per perspective. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:31]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> He was lovely. He was very cute. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh. Anyway, so we've gone home. But I was so scared. I was like, oh no.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:39]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Even though our kids are old enough to be home alone, I, I was freaking out. I did not like being</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:45]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right. And as </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:46]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> we came home, we bumped into Steve. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. Our neighbor. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:50]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And Steve was like, yeah, no problem. Just, you know, I just told him where I was going and he'd let me ride through. Like it was no big </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:56]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> deal.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:56]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. For white. You all have no problems talking to the Popo, so let </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:01]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> me drive next time and it'll be fine. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:04]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I didn't know we were gonna get in that mess. We kept driving and driving, trying to find a labyrinth of different ways to possibly get to our place and nothing, nothing. Anyway, I digress. Oh, yes, you, why did I start talking about </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:18]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> this?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:18]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I, I, I merely discussed we lost power and so you went into the diatribe that you went into anyway. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah, so, so thank. So thankful. But anyway, still lots of people without power, there's definitely no internet, nothing. So it's nice actually, I, I had a relaxing day yesterday, aside from panicking about not being able to make it home anyway.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:46]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Ha.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:47]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So one of the things I did yesterday was lots of reflection. . Mm-hmm. . And there's some, I al I've always wondered about this with, of course with friendship, but like all, all relationships in general. So I started playing shows in my head that are one of my favorites and one of them is Ted Lasso, I swear.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:09]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Wait, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:09]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> you have history now with Jason Sudeikis? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh my God. I reached out to him on Instagram when, when his, when he was on Instagram and, and I'm pretty sure, I'm pretty certain. It was really him. Yeah. Um, anyway, , but I just, I love that show so much. It was Ted Lasso and a few other shows that totally saved our lives during the pandemic when we were totally scared.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:35]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> The world was insane, horrible. Ted Lasso got us through. The characters are so rich and they did such a great job diving in deep and delving into each individual person and their personalities? Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:50]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> the people feel a lot more realized than in a lot of other cases. I mean, typically it's like the main characters are very actualized, but then the side characters aren't given a lot of meat.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:01]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> They're basically just there for the main character to </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:04]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> play off of. But in this case, that's not true. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:07]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Correct. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:07]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Every character is rich and I just wanna see the show over and over and over again to understand all the clues that I missed before. Right. Because you can't pay attention to everything at the same time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I can't. Anyway, you can. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:21]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> No, no, no. Abs absolutely. You do that. A character like Higgins, who you find out is like, he totally, which one was Higgins? He is the communications manager. Oh, okay. Yeah. And so he has a family. He wants to be a, didn't he like play the bass? Like he totally went down the beatnik route there for a second when he got like laid off.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:39]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I mean, he's literally completely just foil kind of character, but there he is. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And one of his sons is a priest on the show. , </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:48]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right? Yes. Yes. Because they have a nasty habit of cursing or something in front of him, right. . Anyways, but yes, that's just, that's just </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:55]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> for example. But I, um, I was talking to Wendy about this and she had the same reaction.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:02]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I did like the sheer terror of the very last second of the very last episode that we've seen, that we've seen, which was. Nate, the great, oh my goodness, that was scary. Like to see Nate, who's a very lovable character that's abused or has abuse in his past, emotional </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:24]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> abuse. So Nate starts the series off by being basically the water boy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:30]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and dealing with the abuse that the water boy gets. And they eventually kind of elevate him to an assistant coach and they have him make a, a couple of interesting calls and then he leaves the club and it looks like he becomes the head coach at another club. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:46]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh, you just gave it away, Matt. Well, some people haven't seen it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:49]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You know what? Welcome to spoilers. You know, you can't spoil something that's been out over a year. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay, but here's the thing. A long time ago, someone who went to a lot of therapy, and had younger siblings, told me that her therapist said that when someone you help out that you love, who also love you will turn on you, like you have to expect that, that they will turn on you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And I never understood, like she had a very bizarre outlook on life, this person. But most of the things she said, it was a person I worked with at a design studio. Most of the stuff she said was like, pretty interesting, you know, like, it, it wasn't totally wrong, , some of the things she said was wrong, wrong, wrong,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:41]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But, but, um, this one, I don't know. This one I've always thought about. I'm like, is that true? I don't know. When someone is hurt, you know, we've all heard the term hurt people hurt. Right, right. The people who have hurt in them, who are abused or who are experiencing emotional pain or even physical pain mm-hmm.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:07]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> they tend to lash out. Not everybody, not everybody does that, but it's kind of like having a wound and you have to let the puss or whatever is in there come out. Right, right. Matt's pointing to his finger cause oh my God, he hurt his How is that doing? Cuz you keep messing with it again.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:27]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> totally much better. But no, when, when, um, so it was all swelled up and the doctor like, totally gave like a, I swear to God it's, it was like a quarter inch gash on it and she squeezed out all the pus. I was. Very painful, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:41]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but you have anyway, to get that stuff out, you gotta get that stuff </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:44]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> out. Yes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:45]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Emotion, emotionally, if it's, I dunno if you should have had as much glee as my doctor had, but Yes. , she had glee. She had glee. She was like, oh, it's like popping a pimple. Ew. Yeah. It was pretty disgusting. Anyways. Oh my God. That's beside the point anyway. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:58]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yes. Non sequiter. So I'm thinking, I'm trying to remember where Nate started to go wrong.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm like, I think remember when he had a taste of letting it go, like expressing his true emotions and being free to say whatever he wanted to say. Remember, it was, I think, in the middle of the whole show where Ted Lassos, Ted lasso Ted. Said, I want you to say all this stuff to, to the whole crew. To the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:29]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> team.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:30]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh, right. He writes down stuff for Ted and then Ted's like, this is perfect. You tell him, he </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:34]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> basically roasts every single player and he's not nice. He's just like, you know, you, I don't remember the things. He </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:44]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> was accurate. and he was honest. Mm-hmm. . And he, at the same time, he was funny. Yes, I remember that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:50]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And him being granted that ability, as you know, as you're about to say, him being granted that ability and granted that freedom to do that might have been the beginning of his dissent into </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> darkness. Right, right. Like letting it out, like everything he's held in. All the abuse he got from his dad, the not being loved or respected by his dad or anyone else around him being ignored for so long.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:16]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Finally, it was released and it, it was like it was a slow building kind of explosion of dark things to come out. Mm-hmm. . Anyway, what I'm saying is we all live in a world where we're all interconnected. So how do we handle that? How do we handle that when that's us? Who's doing that?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:37]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Who's needing to vent or who's needing to vomit all that stuff out? You know, take, get rid of all that stuff from the inside, like, release it and how do we deal with it when we have to deal with other people in our community, with the world is our community that need to expel that stuff. How can we do it in a safe manner?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> How can we do it in, um, Gentle manner. I don't know if it'll be gentle. Sometimes </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:06]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> a controlled manner </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> is what you're looking for and that you can't control it because it's about emotion. No, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:12]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> that's true. The person who's expressing can't control it. The people around that person need to be understanding and in control, and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> that's why art is so important in society because that's one way you can do it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Mm-hmm. , you can express yourself through song, through paintings, through sculpture, through, I don't know, any kind of art form. It's one way where you can totally be free in being able to release all that stuff in a safe way. Right, right. Without harming someone else. Typically , yeah, ab, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:46]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> absolutely.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:47]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And there's also, God, what was it? I God, I just saw something about this, but I think they called it like a rage cage or something. Hmm. Which is one of these places you go into and you break stuff. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:58]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It's called a rage cage. Yeah. You, I was watching some cooking </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:01]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> show. That's right. I was watching some weird cooking contest show Hell's Kitchen.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:05]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I think it might have been because, I was watching it. I'm not a huge fan, but I was watching it and one of the rewards was they let all the chefs go to this place called the Rage Cage and like they were like taking sledgehammers to toilets and things. So it's like the next evolution. Cuz there was this thing I remember hearing about where you got to break pottery and then you, you got stuff to make mosaics with mm-hmm.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:29]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So literally it was like break and fix. Mm-hmm. . But like you were breaking dishes and things and this is like next level. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:35]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right? Hold on.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:39]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Huh, that's better. I had to move the mic. Okay. So, alright. I guess that's it. Problem solved . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:45]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, no, no, no. Um, but that's just it. I think there's a lot to it. First thing, of course, is you have to realize maybe there's, there's a problem and it's, it's deep-seated. I think in dealing with it though, you also have to think of yourself as being like a parent with a, an infant who's in pain.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:04]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I've always said </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:04]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> that. I know you stole that from me. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:07]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You stole that from me. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh my God, Matt. No, . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:11]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> See, now I have to be the parent. It's okay. Excuse </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> me. It's okay. Oh hell no. It's Matt. It's okay. Matt. Shut up. . Matt. Hey, you all can go back to the previous episodes from when we began. It was I, I was the one who was saying all this.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's my theory. Good Lord. You make me mad. Go on. What were you saying Anyway? Yeah. Anyways, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:33]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> we, and the, the trick is, is paying attention and you know, honestly in inside of the show, like Ted Lasso, obviously they need drama. They need to create some element of conflict. So it's important to not recognize for the people around him, to not see him evolving, devolving, whatever you want to call </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:52]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> it, into him.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:53]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> As in Nate. Nate, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:54]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> the Great. Yeah. Nate, Nathan. , you know, watching his character arc change in the course of time. They, they, because </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:02]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> there's a lot of, there's no show, there's a lot of assuming and, and that, and that's perfect that it's, that's brilliant because yeah, people who are quiet and who take care of everyone else, they go under the radar.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And we don't think to ourselves, oh, this person could be hurting or this person, right? This person's squared away. We don't have to worry. Let's, let's pay attention to this person, right? Mm-hmm. , </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:23]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> you know, he got, he got his strokes like, oh my God, you reme. He, the first episode, he's like, oh my God, you remembered my name.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:29]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right? And he was so happy because nobody even bothered to remember his name. Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:36]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Ouch. I mean, and this gets scary, but like, when you hear about people who do terrible things and the people around them get interviewed, like people in the neighborhood. . And the common thing is, oh, they were always so quiet.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Were they quiet or did you ignore them? Right. And assume nothing about them. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:57]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right, right. And did you not try and draw them out or, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:04]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> mm-hmm. . Yeah. It's bizarre. I mean, just moving here to this beautiful area. The more you get to know people, the more you understand. Even though everything seems to be copacetic, there's been lots of, drama, drama and like there's been miscommunication and people get upset over trees or whatever it is.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:34]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> there's been downright lies and there's been, you know Right. People </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:37]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> fight and for years too. Yeah. It's something that happens all the time. And this is part of the key things in friendships and relationships is to acknowledge all this. And you could say, well, I don't have time for that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But what happens when things get so out of control? You have to make time for that. It's like raising children again, because you can say, I don't have time for that, or I don't have the energy for it. But you have to, you have to stop everything and pay attention. Be present, and we have to do that with everybody, and that's one of the benefits and the downfalls of living in a society.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:18]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> The benefit is that we are truly helping each other out. Like the power went out. We were all scared inside and there were things banging around everywhere. And when the power went out, there were explosions we could see of light and live wires on the ground and sparks. And, you know, when we went out with the car, we saw these topple trees over power lines.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> We saw one of those big, big. Things that hold the power lines that just fell and was, blocking the whole highway. But like, look at all the people who stepped in and knew what to do. Experts on every level, removing things, handling electricity, knowing exactly what to do so we can be warm and have power in our little homes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:09]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It's amazing. Now, if I had to do that on my own. , we'd be living with nothing. , I don't know how electricity works. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:19]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> We, we'd have a solar oven, maybe </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> how there was no sun out. And how do we even make a solar oven? I don't know. Mirrors . How do you make a mirror Matt? Do you know what I'm saying? Everybody has a purpose and everybody has their techniques of their knowledge of</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:38]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> how to make life beautiful. Right? So those are the benefits. And the other side is, it is our obligation with all these benefits to look out for one another and to pay attention to one another, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:53]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right? Yes. Yes. And it's, but it's also our obligation to realize when we're in a place where we need help to find it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:02]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:06]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> because there is findable help out there. Huh? But now </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> if you wanna s Well, you know what? We can't leave it out there. Like there's findable help out there. Well, what do you mean by that, Matt? Like, give me some examples for me when you say that. I think. Okay. When I'm scared. or I'm distraught.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:25]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I will call up someone I know. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:27]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:27]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And tell them I'm distraught. I'm scared, I don't know what to do. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:31]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yep. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:31]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And they may not know, so I go to another person. Right. But I keep asking for help, you know, like, um, like I and you, you would be surprised that you're actually watched, people are curious. So people are, Like, we moved into this neighborhood and we found out people were watching.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Every time I've been out in the yard not knowing, thinking to myself, I don't know what to do with this. Like, I, I don't understand nature and there's a yard that I'm now taking care of. I don't know. I swear almost every time a friend Kathy comes over and helps me. and I'm so thankful, because I really don't know what I'm doing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right. Do you know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. , or I was looking at the spigot outside. I'm like, oh my God, the deep freeze is coming. I don't know what to do with the spigot. I don't know. And like she came over and she told us what to do. Now we couldn't figure out what to do cause we couldn't figure it out in the house.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Like we couldn't figure out where the valve was to turn off the water. , but I figured it out. But it was because I had some of the burden lifted off my shoulders because I knew someone cared and she was genuinely trying to help me, even though we didn't find the solution that loving kindness of trying to help me even though we didn't reach the resolve allowed me</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> to find it on my own. What I ended up doing was I took one of the mittens that belonged to El and Allegra when they were babies, . I put those mittens like they're waterproof for snow, for playing in the snow. I put those over the water spigot outside the house, so it looks like there's a baby hand sticking out of the side of the house.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> There's two of. Oh, but you know, , I, I fixed it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:16]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> hopefully, yes, yes. But that's just it, you know, go looking for help, and you should be able to find something. At the lowest, highest level, there's state agencies, certainly, but there's also, it, it depends on how much or how little help you need.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:32]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Sometimes it's just somebody being kind. Mm. Or sometimes it's you performing a service for someone else. And </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:40]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> here's the thing, if more people do this, the easier it is to just get that help naturally from like going to get a cup of coffee and having someone be kind to you or like, you see magical things, loving things happen all the time and they happen for you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:55]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You're able to see that. But when we don't do that, when we all don't do that as much, then everybody's hurting and everybody's grumpy and everybody's in so much pain that it becomes a very negative society that you feel like the majority of things out there are bad, that people are mean, but really it is quite the opposite because people do care.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I think listening to the news, and especially the past few years, the amount that we're exposed to, the amount of things that have been happening the past few years. It's really, and, and then also the war that's going on within the media, this side versus this other side, right. Dividing us even further than we were divided before.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:50]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I think it just makes the whole thing even more un, un untreatable, like, well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:56]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> they certainly give, they, they, it seems like the media are fond of presenting problems and no solutions, and unfortunately, if they can do that for 24 hours a day, seven days a week and never provide any solutions, it starts to feel like there are no solutions.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:15]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> whereas the solutions really are talk, see people as people and figure out h how people are hurting and how you can help, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> or, you know, you don't even have to go looking for people who are hurting. But just like being present for one another is pretty effortless and once you start doing it, you're like, oh my God, that was amazing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:38]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Like, I barely, it barely takes any effort. Like I always say, you would be surprised what A little smile, a genuine smile. Like the, not the ones where you just stretch your lips and show your teeth. No, a genuine smile. You'd be surprised what that can do. Baby. Step number one, . You know, then the other baby step would be saying hello, and then when you ask them how they're doing, actually standing there and waiting.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> To actually hear a response, a real one, how are you?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:16]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And then if they come back with, um, a generic "fine," pushing it a little bit further and maybe asking a question about them or maybe commenting on, something that's beautiful about them that day. Any little thing that will let the person know that you see them, that they matter.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:36]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right? That's all it takes. You don't have to find the cure to cancer . Do you know what I'm saying? Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:43]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And and honestly, in the process of doing that, you generally feel better too. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:48]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. Because you realize how easy it is and like how fun it is to connect with someone when you make that connection, even if it's for a split second, you never see the person again,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:58]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> it is. It is. It is amazing. It's you. It is. You get such a high, you. . It's so true. You get so happy and giddy like yippeee1. It's really interesting as opposed to the other way around, like when someone cuts you off or like you are mean to each other, you end up walking life constantly replaying the person that cut you off or the person that called you this horrible name.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:30]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right. Anyway. I used to have, so I used to live in LA. So did Matt. This is before I met you, Matt. Have I told you this? So I would be, coming home from work or going to work. I was always stuck in traffic. Even on the 4 0 5, the freeway, like it was like a parking lot. So you'd be on the freeway.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You're supposed to be like going 60 miles an hour. You're like standing still for a long time. So what I started to do was I got several different bicycle bells that were inside the car , and sometimes I would take one of them, like whatever I felt like having as the sound for that particular moment. And I would take it in my hand and take it outside of the car door, where the window is.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:20]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Mm-hmm. , where the, uh, window where you can see the traffic on the side, the side window. What is it called? The side mirror. And I would ring it like I don't have it with me. Is there one here? You know, like a bicycle bell, right? Those old school bicycle bells. And I would ring it and on the freeway because everybody's standing still.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:43]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And it's kind of like people have their windows down, maybe, you know, like. and they hear this bicycle bell on the freeway, like as you're staying . Right. So, and people started looking around and then some, some people started laughing, and then sometimes I had one of those Groucho Marks ones, those honky ones, Hong Kong, you know those big bulbus?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:04]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yes. Black, the black ball that you squeeze, you know? Mm-hmm. with a, anyway, why am I saying this? I totally. Just stuff like that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:15]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, it, it's a way of making connection, getting stuck in traffic a little more enjoyable. Yeah. And connecting with </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> people. And you know what, once I was asked out on a date on the freeway as we were stuck on the 4 0 5</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:30]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh dear. He was cute too. Uh, but anyway, you can have connections anywhere, guys. It's fun. It's. It could just be a little glance. That's it. Anyway, I feel like we've said this before, but in different ways. Right. So anything else to add? Look out for the Nates. Sometimes we're all Nates. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:54]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Sometimes, yeah, sometimes we're dwelling in a place we shouldn't be dwelling and we need somebody to help lift us out.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And sometimes there are not. Sometimes, and there's signs everywhere. Like I remember there was this, outdoor mall we would go to in Boulder. There was this guy who did yoga, this older man, he totally looked like a yogi from India, skinny, like tall, very flexy. and before he started his shows like his shows were just like, he would do these maneuvers, like turn himself into a pretzel.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:31]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But the way he started his shows cracked me up and I started to take his line and say it all the time when I felt like I was a Nate. So he would start off the show by saying, pay attention to me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:48]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> nice. Hello. Pay attention to me. Pay attention to me. And people would, with, with graciousness, like, like all excited, like, oh, okay. Like they didn't know what was happening. It was just this one man. Right. just standing there, no props, nothing. Just his body like saying, pay attention to me, nice and and then he would start the show.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:09]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It was brilliant. I'm like, yeah, pay attention to me, . That's it. Thank you for paying attention to us. Love you guys so much. Talk to you in a few days. Be well. Bye. </span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Someone you help out that you love, who also loves you may turn on you. We've all heard the term “hurt people hurt.” The people who have hurt in them, who've experienced some sort of abuse (emotional pain or even physical pain) tend to lash out. Not everybody does that, but it's kind of like having a wound and you have to let the puss or whatever is in there come out. We live in a world where we're all interconnected. So how do we handle that kind of outburst or conflict? How do we handle that when that's us or someone we see who's needing to vent or who's needing to clear all that stuff out? How can we get rid of all that stuff from the inside, release it, and how do we deal with it when we have to deal with other people in our community? The world is our community. What one person experiences, we all experience. How do we release this hurt safe way? In today's episode, we use the character Nate from the TV series Ted Lasso to explore who we pay attention to and how to create a loving way to release hurt and pain.
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Understanding Nate from Ted Lasso TRANSCRIPT
[00:00:00] Fawn: Okay. Are we ready? Yeah. No, , come 
[00:00:03] Matt: on. It's early or it's late or it's 
[00:00:06] Fawn: something. Hi everybody. Hello. How are you doing? What are you doing out there? Where are you? Hmm. 
[00:00:14] Matt: We 
[00:00:14] Fawn: had a power outage yesterday. We still kind of do. Now we have no internet, but I'm, 
we're 
[00:00:19] Matt: very thankful for electricity 
[00:00:20] Fawn: today. We are so thankful Matt and I.
[00:00:23] Fawn: Matt and I got caught out there, . 
[00:00:25] Matt: We were being stupid or 
[00:00:27] Fawn: silly. Oh my God. We were so stupid, silly. We went out in a major storm. The 
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="color:#800000;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><span style="color:#9900ff;">Friends In Real Life.<br /><br />We've spent so long sequestered where the relationships that we had had were primarily virtual. They were over the phone, they were on video chat, but they weren't<br /><br />tactile, they weren't "I'm right in front of you." So things like when I'm texting, I can curate. When I'm Facebook posting again, I can curate. I can choose to write out a paragraph and then delete it and then write something else. Right. So there's a filter there. And in real life, there is still that filter but it's trickier because somebody can see when you're thinking you should say one thing, but you say something <br />else. There are micro gestures that will tell you everything if you are open to it. If you're present enough, you can pick up everything from a split-second movement that happens.<br /><br />We were sequestered even before the pandemic; as a society, we really didn't hang out together that much. Everybody has this magical number in their head that if they have one friend or seven friends or 21 friends, that's enough and they don't want anymore. What kind of friend is it? , is it really a friendship, or is it an acquaintance? People are constantly evolving. And so it's like you need to see their authentic selves in order to connect with that.</span><br /><span style="color:#9900ff;"><br /></span></strong></span></span></span>Listen here: <a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>Friends IRL (In Real Life) TRANSCRIPT</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Hello. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Good morning. Do you have your morning juice? Which is coffee? You feel better? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:14]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I always feel </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> better after coffee or </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:16]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> before coffee. Juice in the morning. Whenever I'm recording with you darling. Mm-hmm. . . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:22]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Oh Lord. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Welcome back everybody. Hi. So, um, Whew. Okay. Before we get into what we're gonna talk about today, help me get over the struggle.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:35]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I don't know what to do. I feel like I used to be creative and now I feel like I'm not creative. Right. I feel like everybody else is so much more brilliant a...</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Friends In Real Life.We've spent so long sequestered where the relationships that we had had were primarily virtual. They were over the phone, they were on video chat, but they weren'ttactile, they weren't "I'm right in front of you." So things like when I'm texting, I can curate. When I'm Facebook posting again, I can curate. I can choose to write out a paragraph and then delete it and then write something else. Right. So there's a filter there. And in real life, there is still that filter but it's trickier because somebody can see when you're thinking you should say one thing, but you say something else. There are micro gestures that will tell you everything if you are open to it. If you're present enough, you can pick up everything from a split-second movement that happens.We were sequestered even before the pandemic; as a society, we really didn't hang out together that much. Everybody has this magical number in their head that if they have one friend or seven friends or 21 friends, that's enough and they don't want anymore. What kind of friend is it? , is it really a friendship, or is it an acquaintance? People are constantly evolving. And so it's like you need to see their authentic selves in order to connect with that.Listen here: https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
Friends IRL (In Real Life) TRANSCRIPT
[00:00:00] MATT: . 
[00:00:00] MATT: Hello. 
[00:00:06] FAWN: Good morning. Do you have your morning juice? Which is coffee? You feel better? 
[00:00:14] MATT: I always feel 
[00:00:14] FAWN: better after coffee or 
[00:00:16] MATT: before coffee. Juice in the morning. Whenever I'm recording with you darling. Mm-hmm. . . 
[00:00:22] MATT: Oh Lord. 
[00:00:23] FAWN: Welcome back everybody. Hi. So, um, Whew. Okay. Before we get into what we're gonna talk about today, help me get over the struggle.
[00:00:35] FAWN: I don't know what to do. I feel like I used to be creative and now I feel like I'm not creative. Right. I feel like everybody else is so much more brilliant a...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="color:#800000;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong><span style="color:#9900ff;">Friends In Real Life.<br /><br />We've spent so long sequestered where the relationships that we had had were primarily virtual. They were over the phone, they were on video chat, but they weren't<br /><br />tactile, they weren't "I'm right in front of you." So things like when I'm texting, I can curate. When I'm Facebook posting again, I can curate. I can choose to write out a paragraph and then delete it and then write something else. Right. So there's a filter there. And in real life, there is still that filter but it's trickier because somebody can see when you're thinking you should say one thing, but you say something <br />else. There are micro gestures that will tell you everything if you are open to it. If you're present enough, you can pick up everything from a split-second movement that happens.<br /><br />We were sequestered even before the pandemic; as a society, we really didn't hang out together that much. Everybody has this magical number in their head that if they have one friend or seven friends or 21 friends, that's enough and they don't want anymore. What kind of friend is it? , is it really a friendship, or is it an acquaintance? People are constantly evolving. And so it's like you need to see their authentic selves in order to connect with that.</span><br /><span style="color:#9900ff;"><br /></span></strong></span></span></span>Listen here: <a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>Friends IRL (In Real Life) TRANSCRIPT</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Hello. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Good morning. Do you have your morning juice? Which is coffee? You feel better? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:14]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I always feel </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> better after coffee or </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:16]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> before coffee. Juice in the morning. Whenever I'm recording with you darling. Mm-hmm. . . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:22]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Oh Lord. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Welcome back everybody. Hi. So, um, Whew. Okay. Before we get into what we're gonna talk about today, help me get over the struggle.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:35]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I don't know what to do. I feel like I used to be creative and now I feel like I'm not creative. Right. I feel like everybody else is so much more brilliant and when we have assignments, everybody else is so much better like that. It's been a very long time now that I haven't created stuff. I haven't, and then when I do, it's so boring and generic.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:05]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> See, I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:07]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> feel terrible </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:08]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> and I completely get that. Back in college, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We had a saying, uh, brain cells must be sacrificed because when you drink, you lose brain cells. But anyways, um, how I come to it now is how many brain cells am I going to spend a brain cell thinking about this problem?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:28]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> and most of the time I, I do the bare minimum. And you, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> so you lose brain cells when you think about something. No, when </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:35]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> you drink. Oh. So that's why we said brain cells must be sacrificed, but that takes us to brain cells. See? So now I say I haven't spent a, I haven't spent any brain cells on it. I haven't mean, I haven't spent any time really thinking about it because welcome to the world, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:50]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> You've got 85 things going on at any given moment. So it's about choosing your intention. in choosing where you want to spend your mental energies. Cuz we talked about this, we talked about how you have only so much currency, emotional and otherwise to spend in the course of a day. The same way you have only so much kind of thinking currency or decision making currency.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:11]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> You can only make so many decisions in a day.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Really? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:14]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Yeah. Oh yeah. So, and we talked about, we, we </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">talked </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> about this not way as parents we're so tired at the end of the day. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:22]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> It can be yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I mean, I'm, I'm like barely making it up the stairs at the end of the day. Well, yeah, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:30]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> that's why I'm conking out at like 8:00 PM folks.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:33]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> My goodness. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:36]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:37]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> terrible. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:37]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> It's not terrible. It's, it's where you choose to spend your intention, your thought process and your energies. And you know what, all it means to me when you say, I'm not the most creative one, you're not choosing to spend enough, maybe as much energy as these other people are choosing to spend or able to spend.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:54]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> See, that just </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:55]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> gives me more stress. I put everything I have into a bunch of things. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:00]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Exactly, and that's just it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:02]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> But I, I have to, at this point in my life, I, I. That's what I have to do. What? You want me to ignore our kids? Do you want me to ignore the house and you want me </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:12]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> to ignore em? There, there, there are plenty of sayings that I can, I can, um, throw out right now.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:18]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> One of 'em is kind of body, so I won't throw that one out. But, um, you know, it's about what you focus on grows and, and focusing your attentions properly. Um, you know, I am one of those people who I get so focused on one or the other. It's, I have a hard time walking and chewing gum at the same. and that's just what it is.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:36]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I mean, I choose to focus my attention on one thing at a time, and sometimes that means I have to context shift like crazy, but </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:46]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> still, I guess I'm screwed then hey, because I can't there. There's a lot of things that I take care of. I take care of you. I take care of the kids. I take care of our health, our food, our everything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> There's so many things I'm taking care of. I'm working on children's picture books. I'm working on voiceover career. I'm working on photography. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:09]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> So career, and maybe you should leverage the creative talent you have in the house already. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:15]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> What do you mean?. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:16]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Well, I mean, it was spoken word, Christmas song, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:20]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Yeah. I spent half a brain cell on that For you. Had we spent, had I spent five and had the girls spent five each and had you spent five, that would've been a lot of </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:30]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> brain cells. Okay. So what Matt is talking about is we're doing voiceover work. Um, we're learning the craft. Voiceover acting. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:39]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Well, you are.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:40]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I am.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:41]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And, and, but through me, you guys are experiencing what I'm learning. Mm-hmm. . So we had this competition with, the voiceover network. It was to do a Christmas Carol or a Christmas song, but you can't sing it. You have to do a voiceover. The thing that really got me was I didn't wanna do a video.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> One of the reasons I love this podcast is I can be free knowing that no one's looking at my face, but if you're looking at me and I'm reading a line, I get really messed up. I can't, I hate being in front of the camera, which is why I'm a photographer behind the camera. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:20]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Yes, but that's just it. Again, working within the theory of constraints or the practice of constraints.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:25]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Okay, fine. Video, that's fine. But what would stop you from say, doing Still knocked, which is Silent Night in German, which is how I originally learned it. Welcome to being a Lutheran.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:37]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Matt, I don't know what that is we are thinking of, but like these people </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:41]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> say, say, saying Silent Night to song Silent Night in German. So </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:46]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> why not? Because it's not, you don't understand Matt, babe. These people were so creative. It's about they were pushing boundaries. Okay. That's not pushing boundaries.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:55]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> These people took these songs and they were very funny. Well honestly be </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:59]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> like, they're amazing. Would be, that would be a terrible thing to do because you know, is voiceover, so that should be probably in English, but still it's. Pushing. It's about, and it's about leveraging your community, your friends, people around you to help you come up with good </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:15]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> stuff.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:17]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Ooh. And another thing is like, yeah, I have no time to mess around with creating a video and doing all these takes like I have things to do. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:25]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> So you're so focused on the video aspect of it. Yeah, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:28]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> because that's what everyone did. I took my videos and I turned them into audiograms. Anyway, that's not what we're here to talk about.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:34]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Oh dear. I'm just saying I feel so inadequate and I don't know what to do. Like I was talking to a friend Kathy yesterday. I was over at her house having a lovely tea, and I swear three different times I broke down in tears and I stopped myself. So it wasn't a full on cry, but it was because I feel like I'm failing all the time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:02]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I feel like I'm failing, you know? I'm not where I wanna be with the career and all that stuff. And just growing up the way I did, knowing what I know now, I would've changed so much because I am now more aware of opportunities and more aware of how you can speak up for yourself and more aware of how you can leverage your life and negotiate and really talk and communicate in order to get things done the way you want.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:39]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> You know, like I got accepted to the Cooper Union on the spot, which is not what they do with a caveat of if you would just turn this one thing in. And I, I froze, and I, and I didn't, and it's haunted me this whole time, you know, because they asked for drawings. They're like, you know, based on your photography, you are in, you're in kid.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:05]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Just give us 30 drawings. One a. And I was like, oh my God, I have to do these like Michelangelo type masterpieces. And I froze and I couldn't do it. But do you know what I'm saying? Like I do when you, and, and you know, when Kathy was like, stop being so hard on yourself. Not everything is about money. You know, everyone will say that not, but it is to me, I'm sorry, when you don't have it right, of course.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And you feel like, you know, It's, it's terrible. Anyway, but it's so nice to have friends remind you of your wins, well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:43]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> again, social comparison theory, which we talked about, what was it last week? Yeah. Again, one of my main takeaways is, Okay. It's inevitable. You will compare, compare yourself to everyone.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:55]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Just make sure you compare up and down. You have to again say, wow, I got this thing that no one else got. And, you know, does that make you into a, a snob or a mean person? No. An elitist, no. As long as you're comparing both, both ways. Mm-hmm. , you know, um, Edison love him or hate him, and most people aren't tremendous fans of him constantly compared himself to Da Vinci.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:19]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> and the things that Da Vinci had invented. This is what the Simpsons taught me anyway, . Okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:25]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> The, the Simpson Simpsons. The cartoon. Yes. Oh my God. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:29]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Really? Yes. Constantly. He, he always felt like he was behind da Vinci, cuz Da Vinci invented so many things. Plus he was an artist. Plus he was, I mean, come on, da Vinci invented the helicopter</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:42]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> for goodness sake. How mental is that? . Hmm. . But anyways, it's, it's inescapable. And that's what one of the things that social comparison theory teaches us. But we need to, a, keep ourselves humble. B, keep ourselves realistic, and c, always be learning, always be hustling. And, and that's, that's what that is.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:07]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Okay. You know, ask for help when you need it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Yeah, but sometimes you don't know what you should be asking for. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:16]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> That is true. And that's, and that's, that's why you, that's the trouble, that's why, see, I, that's why I love having friends who check me, who, which is of course a hockey term, which means basically you keep somebody from skating the way they wanna skate.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:30]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> That's why I have friends who correct, who ask questions, who dig into stuff. And you too. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:37]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So today's subject, I'm just gonna get into it cuz I'm like, I'm not feeling </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:42]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> we're never gonna get there. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:43]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Yeah. I'm not feeling any better . I still feel like crap. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:46]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I'm sorry babe. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:50]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> wo to me. Woe is me. So you, you have been talking about this and we've been talking about it too you, you call it IRL</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:02]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I'm like, why are you remember the. You're, you've gotten way better with me, but so Matt's a computer programmer. When he used to come home from work and I asked him how his day was, all I would get was a stream of acronyms, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:18]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> three letter acronyms, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> TLAs, like he would just tell me what he did that day.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:22]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And what he did was like all these coding things, they </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:26]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> were random letters strung together as far as Fawn was concerned. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:29]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And I wanted to know how he felt that day, who he saw. . You know how, how was your day? And it was all computer stuff like no words. Just, it was crazy. Anyway, so , I r L in real life, but I guess that's what is everyone talks about, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:52]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I r L is not a computer term, but </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:54]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> the com, the computer geek has taken over </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:57]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> friends in real life. What do you have to say about. FUD . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:04]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Well, what's so interesting is I spent, or we spent so long sequestered where our relationships that we had had were primarily virtual. They were over the phone, they were on video chat, but they weren't</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:19]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> tactile, they weren't "I'm right in front of you." So things like when I'm texting, I can curate. When I'm Facebook posting again, I can curate. I can choose to write out a paragraph and then delete it and then write something else. Right. So there's a filter there. And, and in real life there's, there is still that filter.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:38]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> There. There is a filter, but it's trickier because somebody can see when you're thinking you should say one thing, but you say something </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:44]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> else. There are micro gestures that will tell you everything if you are open to it. If you're present enough, you can pick up everything from a split second.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:55]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Exactly. Look, a split second movement. that happens. But I kind of wanna disagree with you because we were sequestered even before the pandemic. And I'm not just talking about us as a family. I think as a society, we really didn't hang out together that much. I mean, that's how we started this whole thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:15]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Mm-hmm. with, we, we called it be friendly at at one point, but that's the whole friendship movement we started, started way before the pandemic. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:26]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> That is true. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And no one would. Not no one, a few people, a fraction, a small fraction of the population was on board with us. Right? Like yes, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:40]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> exactly right. And these are the people who are looking for friends.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:43]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Mm-hmm. , I think most people bebop through life in the same way that they're not looking for relationships, they're not looking for friends, which is really, really sad. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:55]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And we heard so many people say. , you know, when they found out what we were working on, what our project was, they would like in a very adamant way,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> like it was almost, um, mean like I felt attacked by them when they would say it, they would say, I'm not here to make friends. I'm not looking for friends. I don't need any more friends. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:21]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And, and that's just it, that phrase right there, I don't need, need is a weird word, any more friends. Everybody has this magical number in their head that if they have one friend or seven friends or 21 friends, that's enough and they don't want anymore.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:38]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And that's just it though, that What kind of friend is it? , is it really a friendship or is it an acquaintance? Is it, what is it? Is it someone you just see at the grocery </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:50]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> store or is it somebody that you, it's not invite over once a month? Or is it somebody you play poker with or is it you know, somebody who you go over to their house and you watch footy ball?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:01]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Who knows? There's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:02]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> a lot of assuming going on, like what I noticed there was a lot of assuming going on. People thought, I have plenty of friends, I have no more room. And I always, cause I'm already so busy. Oh my God. So that was part of the problem. , right? The four letter word. Wait, b u s y. Yeah. Four, four letters.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Um, I hate that word. Those were fighting words for me. We did a whole episode in the very, very, very, very beginning that if you say busy to me mm-hmm. , those are fighting words. . Or it's the end. I'm like, okay, got it. So that's a big F you to me when you say, I'm busy, instead of saying, this is what I'm doing, you know?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:46]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Right. I can't make it. This is what I'm doing. Mm-hmm. , or I just don't feel like it, but to say, I'm busy. No, thank you. Bye. I, it's a deal breaker. But anyway, so we're talking about friends in real life and. I kind of changed my mind because we were all about friends in real life. That's what our whole matchmaking service was.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:09]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Our whole platonic matchmaking service we had that we still have, right? We still have the code for it and everything. We have the code, but it's not hosted. We just put it on ice for a little bit. Um, but our whole, I forgot my train of thought. What was I saying?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:32]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Sorry, I was taking notes. Um, you were talking about, I don't know,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:38]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Well, that's awkward.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:39]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Wow. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:40]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I have no idea. Oh, in the beginning we firmly believed in, bringing together people physically, but, and then you were segueing somewhere else. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Oh yeah. Okay. Thank you so much honey. Thanks for listening, , </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:54]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> and thank you for listening, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:55]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> listeners. Oh my God. So that's, I was of the firm belief that for sure we need in-person.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:05]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> and that's what we were, that's what we were all about, right? That we, we found a way, we had an algorithm and we had a very, very old technique of matchmaking to have people be in person. And that when you have people on social media that are following you, or maybe you're even talking to once in a while.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:29]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> That that's not real, real friendship. But since the pandemic, because everything had to be online and everything was either through social media or through Zoom, I actually made some fantastic friends. And I wanna say we, Matt made some fantastic friends, like Barry came over a few weeks ago from another state.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:52]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> But we're close enough, you know. When we met in person in real life, we were both commenting like, that's weird because like I think Barry mentioned immediately, what did he say when he first saw us? Like, something about you are exactly like I, I imagined you to be. And it was a shock, you know? And it was a shock.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:22]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> on another level. I was like, why are you even saying that? Because I already felt that we were family. Right. Because we have been talking for so long now. Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:31]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> But circle back, Barry is of course, Mr. Kind. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:35]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Yeah, he, Barry has been on our show a few times. He's coming back in a couple weeks and he travels and tours the United States to spread kindness.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:48]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> He goes to schools, he volunteers. He's an amazing poet, musician, he spreads kindness to kids and, and he's just an amazing, just a lovely guy. Angel. So talented. Anyways, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:02]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> yes. So anyway, we got </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:03]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> together in real life with Barry, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:06]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Barry owns his inner Popeye. Mm-hmm. . I own my inner Popeye. You own your inner Popeye.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:14]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> We are who we are and that's who we are. And, and you know, Merry Christmas and I'm not gonna present to you that I'm a, something that I'm not. Mm-hmm. . So that makes for an easy trans that made for the easy transition. It's cuz none of us were fronting. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:30]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Mm-hmm. . Right. There was no editing, like how you said people,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:37]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> people present or front people edit what they're gonna say and what they're gonna look like on social media. Right. So it's harder to, it's harder to sense when someone is being authentic and what's really going on. If there's a lot of editing </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:51]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:52]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Photoshopping, editing of what you're gonna say. Uh, editing of exactly what angle you're gonna show of your life, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:00]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> and I have to imagine like musicians, like when they quote unquote meet their fans, It's like, particularly in this day and age, it seems like, um, like our girls listen to a lot of very emotional female singers, and that's a moment in time that they wrote about.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:18]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> They don't live there. They're, they've, they've gone through a whole life. And I have to imagine like a fan of a particular song imagines that the singer is still caught in that place because a singer very carefully shows you that . . And if they're not there anymore, even if they have to sing that song every night and try and bring up those feelings and that energy, they don't necessarily live there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:43]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And so I think it's, it can be really disheartening for a fan to meet a lot of </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:48]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> singers. Wow. And I just thought about it. And if you love that song and you're listening to it over and over and over again, you are living there forever. Forever. You </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:56]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> are living there as a listener, but the performer's not living there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:59]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Mm-hmm. , the performers moved. So it can be a very weird and uncomfortable space to just assume that, you know, that's the way it is. Right. And you know, the best bands, the best singers, the best, everything. They're constantly evolving. The best people are constantly evolving. And so it's like you need to see their authentic selves in order to connect with that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:24]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> so you're saying in real life, then you can see the movements, you can see the change in atmosphere. You can change a person's, outlook by interacting with them, right? You can see the peaks and valleys even in within a few minutes. So you're not just looking at a static presented piece of art, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:48]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Which is what people. Right out there on, on the internet, on social media and everything. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:54]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And there you go. And, and in point of fact, I am constantly now thinking about, and I had this thought just the other day, which is one of the things that led to this show. And I was talking to my, my, my good buddy. And there's a lot of points we intersect on.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:06]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> There's a lot of points we don't. And he mentioned just kind of obliquely that, you know, he took his whole office out to dinner to celebrate the holidays. He did. He did. That's nice. And I'm like, . That doesn't even factor for me that he's a guy who's the boss who takes everybody out. So I have to wonder what's gonna happen when, you know, I, if I was to walk into his real life, say at work, cuz men have a nasty habit of com compartmentalizing and maybe it's a good habit.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:37]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I don't know, but I think it's, I think it'd be tricky. Mm-hmm. , because I think that he's on some level he's again compartmentalized. So he shows me those pieces that I'm comfortable with, but he doesn't show me a lot of the other pieces. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:53]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And another thing is there's not enough time, and that's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:56]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> another </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:57]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> interesting issue.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:58]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So even if you meet in real life, perhaps you have just enough energy mustard together, you. , is that the word? Muster? Muster? Yes. Not, not mustard. Not </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:10]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> mustard muster. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Not enough ketchup together to get together. Like you, you, you gather enough energy to present a certain thing. Right? Like I don't have the energy for that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> You'll see my peaks and valleys within two minutes probably. Right, right. and if I do keep up a certain front, I'm exhausted. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:33]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I'm like, yes. Yes we are. As a matter of fact, yeah. I'm a little daunted by, um, yeah, there's talk about getting together with all my workmates mm-hmm.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:42]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> and trying to figure out what that's even gonna feel like. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I think that's why it's a good idea to have activities. because you're not just there staring at each other and talking. Right. But if you're eating together or you're playing together, yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:57]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And that's just it. There's, there's talk, there's talk about, and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> or even going to a show </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:01]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> together, right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:02]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> At a, at a previous job, we would connect on Zoom for happy hour and we play games. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Right. Or like, I'm just thinking, like, just going to the theater. , you know, experiencing something together and then you have something to talk about together. Yes. Then that it, it takes the pressure off, it kind of massages the situation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So there's not a tense moment. Right. It's like you massage everything out. Right. And </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:28]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> you smooth it out. And again, it can be helpful if you say, meet people out in the world. Mm-hmm. like, Hey, let's go check out the winter festival. Right. And then theoretically there's, there's a lot to connect about. And again, I also talk about how one of the things that helped us build friendships are shared experiences </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> mm-hmm.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And yeah. That's why people have such amazing bonds. Like if it's a hardcore experience that you just so happen to have experienced together, you're forever bonded by that experience, right? Like, it could be a trauma even. Mm-hmm. . I think , that's a great key. For me. It's hard, like, there are so many people that are so into hiking or , I don't know, horseback riding and all this stuff.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I'm like, Um, I don't know what I, I don't, you know, I don't know. I seriously don't know what I would wanna do with someone because, again, because I'm constantly, my energies are always going into so many different directions, right? That I don't know what my thing is. Like, no, thanks. Like my idea of hiking is not this other person's idea of hiking</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:35]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I'm short . My legs are tiny. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:38]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Right. Your, your idea of a nice hike would be maybe a little pond walking around, a little pond in, in brilliant sunshine. You know, say, and I wanna sit down one or two o'clock, and then maybe go somewhere </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:50]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> afterwards to, and I want something to eat. I'm like, can I just sit and eat?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Like, do we have to walk because, Because I'm so short. For me, I'm like doing a light jog for someone's normal walk. Right. And I, it's like hard to keep up with people. Mm-hmm. , I get it and know it's stressful. It's like back in the day when I would go bowling with my friends and they would get so mad at me because I would not be a good bowler.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:18]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Like they get, they get upset and then it's stressful for everybody. and then I'm angry . Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:26]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> that's, that's a </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:27]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> fun day. Do you know what I'm saying though? I do. That doesn't, it's not a good experience for me. Do, so it's hard to say, well, what activity can we do together? And it's stressful to even come up with an activity.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:38]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So do you have any suggestions for that? Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:42]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> it's about maybe sorting out a slacker sport. I, I worked in an la God, it seems like maybe the last time it wasn't, but it's almost the last time I worked in an office. We would go and play disc golf. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:53]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> See, do you remember what happened when you took me disc golfing?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:57]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I lost your favorite disc golf because it ended up in some tree. Again, stressful for me, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:04]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> right? It, but it's about really judging and for you and understanding and, and you know, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:09]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> our first date, you guys, our first date Matt took me miniature golfing. Yeah. This is before you knew apparently I was a chewbaca.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Yes. I was so angry. . And he was there. He had a little notebook. Keeping, keeping score, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:25]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> score, score. You're supposed to keep score. That's the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:27]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> point. I don't like it. , . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:32]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> But again, that's part of learning and, and you. It's a part of connecting and, and, you know, learning how the other person is, you have to clearly communicate and, that's just it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:42]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Sometimes you're gonna come up with stuff that works and sometimes </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:46]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> you're not. So I guess my thing is to have people come over and I cook for them, right? So I'm keeping busy and I'm nourishing the people, I'm offering different tastes. So that's my thing. I don't know, maybe I'm not, I'm just not a hiker.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:04]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I like to do things by myself when I'm hiking, like, because I go at my own pace. I don't it. It's not a competition. I hate competition. Hiking isn't a competition. It is when you are short Matt . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:17]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Okay, I'm just gonna be quiet </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> now. Anyway, let's wrap this up. So what are some pointers? So we to be in real life, it's best to find a common experience, right, like an activity. Mm-hmm. , but it doesn't have to be hiking. And </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:34]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> it's very important that both sides are patient and both sides pay attention to how it's going and how the other person is feeling and et cetera. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:42]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Mm-hmm. and in real life is quite extraordinary because I.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:50]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> To, again, going back and noticing the tiniest movement or the tiniest change in a person's voice or their expressions or the way they look, the way their eyes, like something can shift in a split second. . It's such a beautiful way to connect. And when you're present enough to notice that, I think that's what opens up a beautiful friendship </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:15]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Absolutely.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:15]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> To form. Because when someone notices that you pay attention like that, when you're heard like that, right, it means the world to everyone. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:27]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Absolutely. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:27]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> To everyone. I mean, that's how, that's one of the ways I fell in love with Matt because I'm like, whoa, this guy notices things that most people ignore.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:40]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> He, he pays attention. He's paying attention, he's hearing me. And so that made me open and more receptive to who you were. Like, who are you? Thank you for listening. Thank you for noticing. And then, so that made me more. I wanted to find out more about you because you obviously gave me the great gift of paying attention to me, and it just happened naturally then that I was like, who is this person?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Who is this Matt? And it formed a beautiful friendship, which led to this amazing. Marriage. I'm gonna knock on wood. Hello. Watch us fight right after this nice thing that I just told you. But anyway, so anyway, that's my take on it. You, your take. Uh, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:31]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I'm in complete agreement. However, I wanna segue us over into another zone, which is, just, it's an important thing to pay attention.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:40]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And I used to say it was two times and now I don't know, but basical. If you say, if somebody says, Hey, you wanna hang out and do X and you don't wanna do it, absolutely, you should say no, but long, about two or three times, if they ask and you constantly say no, they're gonna stop. That's somebody's attempt to maybe grow the friendship and maybe, take it outside of, let's say maybe the workplace or outside of, you know, wherever it is you've met this person.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:10]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> So it can be really uncomfortable and certainly if you always hear no, how are you gonna feel about it? And so you gotta think about that on the other side of the coin. So if you say no to somebody two or three times, then you better suggest something good or you better say yes to something you're not comfortable with.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:26]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And that can be fun too, to expand your boundaries unless it's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:29]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> hiking. Matt, I know you probably have something else to add to this, but can I just say something else about the no thing? Thank you for bringing that up. The no thing, that's another dirty word for me, because No. Well, thing is that Well, I, I'm notorious for saying no.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:48]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Like remember when I had to pull out a wisdom to tooth? Yes. And they, they gave me this drug cause I was freaking out. I was scared. And then it made me so mellow. . And then when they called my name to go into surgery, I just said, no . No. And we thought we were funny. It was funny. It was funny. . No, no, . Um, so years ago Oprah started talking about we need to say no, women need to say no.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:18]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And I thought, and there are points in time where </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:20]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> they absolutely </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:20]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> should. Yes, absolutely. I think there are so many people pleasers out there and you have to. Yes, definitely. I just think that it went overboard because all of a sudden I kept hearing women in a rude way say, you know what, I'm, I'm gonna practice saying no to you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:38]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I'm like, Thanks for practicing. It was just rude. Like I was in Santa Fe and I went to a photography workshop that you pay big money for. Mm-hmm. and this photo editor was, who was one of the teachers, um, We were waiting for the next, , course to open up, right? Mm-hmm. , she was a speaker.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:58]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> She was there to like, we paid to like have, an interaction with right these people. And so I remember we were standing, waiting for the next thing. We were all just standing waiting. Mm-hmm. in line. And I went to her. I'm like, do you mind taking a look at my book, this project that I finished several months ago?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It's a book. Do you mind just taking a quick look? She looked at me and she, I swear to you, it was like line by line, the same uh, tone that you would hear on Oprah. And she looked at me and she's like, I'm gonna practice saying no to you. So, no. I'm like, wow. Ew. It was so gross. So I think we've gone overboard with the whole no thing that just don't, don't just say no.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It's like saying, I'm busy. Please explain . And I'm not saying that you have to explain why you don't wanna do something. Mm-hmm. . But instead of being lazy about it and just saying, I'm busy because it, it's such a blowoff, like you're blowing the person off. Mm-hmm. and it, it's gotten rude. It's gotten to the point of rude, say, I really need to be alone.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:17]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I have no energy to go out, you know, just be honest. Why is it that you're saying no? Just speak honestly and ex like express yourself. There's so many beautiful words out there. Use them. It's like painting. Use all the different colors. Don't just stick with one like standard word. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:38]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And if the person wants to be your friend, they're gonna hear that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:41]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Try and understand it. Mm-hmm. . Respect it. Respect it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:46]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> There you go. That's the word. And it's the people that don't respect that then, you know, okay, I don't wanna hang out with this person ever. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:53]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> fine. Right? Or this person is projecting certain things onto you, or </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:56]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> who knows? Oh, people get offended, like rather quickly</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So then, you know, and you know, fast, so you know to stay away, from that person. Right. But, uh, yeah, I just, the word no and. If someone invites you to something and you genuinely think you may like this person, and you do have to say no. Yeah. I think we get used to saying it so much now that you, before you know it, you've said it more than three times.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Like, we learned this when we lived in this cute little town, and people were really into having, dinners together. Mm-hmm. like dinner parties, like getting together at a nice table. They really were, everyone was into cooking. It was just a beautiful thing that this community did and they asked us all the time over, and we were from LA and we were used to saying, no.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:50]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And that's when we realized, right, Matt? That's when you said, we can't do that more than three times. Right. Because they'll stop asking us. Right. They'll </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:00]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> give up. Right, because you're getting the slow No, which is right. Just a terrible term. But it's true. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:04]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Yeah. And it's also, it takes a great amount of courage to go to someone and initiate something,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And so when you get turned down, it could be, you could take it personally, it kind of hurts a little bit </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:18]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> ing some, a smidge. Yeah. And </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:20]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> if you keep getting that, then the person's like, okay, I'm done. Right. Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:24]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> this person obviously doesn't want to hang out with me or do things with me. Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:28]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It takes a certain effort to create an opening.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:31]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Right, right. By asking someone would you like to Right. Fill in the plank. . And so, yeah, after a while just please know that it could close the door. Being aware of that is what we've been practicing ever since those days from that cute little town. Right, Matt? True. So I think that's it for me, for now.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Thank you so much, Matt. Matt just waved like he's good, right? Matt? So you're good? I'm good. There's nothing else you wanna say? Nope. Okay. Thank you again so much for listening. We love you. If you could do us a favor, ask other people to listen. Download our episodes, spread the word about what we're trying to do here, which is create a friendlier world through the Art of Friendship.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> We're here for you every week we will always be here. Reach out to us, our friendly world podcast.com and that's it. Talk to you in a few days. Be well, bye.</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Friends In Real Life.We've spent so long sequestered where the relationships that we had had were primarily virtual. They were over the phone, they were on video chat, but they weren'ttactile, they weren't "I'm right in front of you." So things like when I'm texting, I can curate. When I'm Facebook posting again, I can curate. I can choose to write out a paragraph and then delete it and then write something else. Right. So there's a filter there. And in real life, there is still that filter but it's trickier because somebody can see when you're thinking you should say one thing, but you say something else. There are micro gestures that will tell you everything if you are open to it. If you're present enough, you can pick up everything from a split-second movement that happens.We were sequestered even before the pandemic; as a society, we really didn't hang out together that much. Everybody has this magical number in their head that if they have one friend or seven friends or 21 friends, that's enough and they don't want anymore. What kind of friend is it? , is it really a friendship, or is it an acquaintance? People are constantly evolving. And so it's like you need to see their authentic selves in order to connect with that.Listen here: https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
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[00:00:00] MATT: . 
[00:00:00] MATT: Hello. 
[00:00:06] FAWN: Good morning. Do you have your morning juice? Which is coffee? You feel better? 
[00:00:14] MATT: I always feel 
[00:00:14] FAWN: better after coffee or 
[00:00:16] MATT: before coffee. Juice in the morning. Whenever I'm recording with you darling. Mm-hmm. . . 
[00:00:22] MATT: Oh Lord. 
[00:00:23] FAWN: Welcome back everybody. Hi. So, um, Whew. Okay. Before we get into what we're gonna talk about today, help me get over the struggle.
[00:00:35] FAWN: I don't know what to do. I feel like I used to be creative and now I feel like I'm not creative. Right. I feel like everybody else is so much more brilliant a...]]>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">Revealing authenticity is one of the major things that keep us from having true friendships and good relationships. This week, we explore the reason for when we expose our feelings, it feels like we create even more problems and we're oftentimes left to be misunderstood. And it just creates more of a situation where you have to talk about it and we don't talk about things. So things are left unsaid. Things are left undone, and if you carry on a friendship, a relationship, over a course of years, it really builds disconnection. The wires of our connections get crossed and become incomprehensible. In this conversation, we include white lies (any kind of lie) and reveal why it is dangerous. <br /><br /> We also turn to nature for signs. The significant sign that was revealed before our podcast was the BLUE JAY! What's the spiritual meaning of Blue Jays? We find that the blue jay is associated with authentic interpersonal and creative self-expression.<br /><br />What's at stake here? We could be erasing parts of ourselves, over time, chipping away at our authenticity and communication skills, at our confidence, and then everything of importance gets destroyed. But if we can remember that person who judges us (creating a barrier for us to be authentic) even if it's our own self-judgment, our own thoughts, our own mind about ourselves, like “who am I to go and pursue this? I looked terrible today. Oh, I'm too fat. I'm too skinny, I'm too old, I'm too young,” all those judgments; we have to be aware of that and know that that's coming from a place of insecurity. But why do we feel the need to keep going like this?<br /><br /> It's because we don't have enough friendships out there. When we have our crew (even if it's just one person) with us that has our back, we are stronger. The world would be so much better if we could express our thoughts and know that someone was backing us up. If we see an injustice happening and it's just us standing up for something, chances are we may not say anything, because we'll be outnumbered and destroyed in some way. But if there's someone else saying it with us, there's great power in numbers.</span></strong></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Hi everyone. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:01]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> What was that? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:03]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> My throat made a weird sound, . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:05]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Fair enough.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It made us sound like the other day I was talking to someone very, very important to me like, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:13]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> like me,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> li...</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Revealing authenticity is one of the major things that keep us from having true friendships and good relationships. This week, we explore the reason for when we expose our feelings, it feels like we create even more problems and we're oftentimes left to be misunderstood. And it just creates more of a situation where you have to talk about it and we don't talk about things. So things are left unsaid. Things are left undone, and if you carry on a friendship, a relationship, over a course of years, it really builds disconnection. The wires of our connections get crossed and become incomprehensible. In this conversation, we include white lies (any kind of lie) and reveal why it is dangerous.  We also turn to nature for signs. The significant sign that was revealed before our podcast was the BLUE JAY! What's the spiritual meaning of Blue Jays? We find that the blue jay is associated with authentic interpersonal and creative self-expression.What's at stake here? We could be erasing parts of ourselves, over time, chipping away at our authenticity and communication skills, at our confidence, and then everything of importance gets destroyed. But if we can remember that person who judges us (creating a barrier for us to be authentic) even if it's our own self-judgment, our own thoughts, our own mind about ourselves, like “who am I to go and pursue this? I looked terrible today. Oh, I'm too fat. I'm too skinny, I'm too old, I'm too young,” all those judgments; we have to be aware of that and know that that's coming from a place of insecurity. But why do we feel the need to keep going like this? It's because we don't have enough friendships out there. When we have our crew (even if it's just one person) with us that has our back, we are stronger. The world would be so much better if we could express our thoughts and know that someone was backing us up. If we see an injustice happening and it's just us standing up for something, chances are we may not say anything, because we'll be outnumbered and destroyed in some way. But if there's someone else saying it with us, there's great power in numbers.
 
Blue Jay - Authentic Communication TRANSCRIPT
[00:00:00] FAWN: Hi everyone. . 
[00:00:01] MATT: What was that? 
[00:00:03] FAWN: My throat made a weird sound, . 
[00:00:05] MATT: Fair enough.
[00:00:06] FAWN: It made us sound like the other day I was talking to someone very, very important to me like, 
[00:00:13] MATT: like me,
[00:00:14] FAWN: li...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">Revealing authenticity is one of the major things that keep us from having true friendships and good relationships. This week, we explore the reason for when we expose our feelings, it feels like we create even more problems and we're oftentimes left to be misunderstood. And it just creates more of a situation where you have to talk about it and we don't talk about things. So things are left unsaid. Things are left undone, and if you carry on a friendship, a relationship, over a course of years, it really builds disconnection. The wires of our connections get crossed and become incomprehensible. In this conversation, we include white lies (any kind of lie) and reveal why it is dangerous. <br /><br /> We also turn to nature for signs. The significant sign that was revealed before our podcast was the BLUE JAY! What's the spiritual meaning of Blue Jays? We find that the blue jay is associated with authentic interpersonal and creative self-expression.<br /><br />What's at stake here? We could be erasing parts of ourselves, over time, chipping away at our authenticity and communication skills, at our confidence, and then everything of importance gets destroyed. But if we can remember that person who judges us (creating a barrier for us to be authentic) even if it's our own self-judgment, our own thoughts, our own mind about ourselves, like “who am I to go and pursue this? I looked terrible today. Oh, I'm too fat. I'm too skinny, I'm too old, I'm too young,” all those judgments; we have to be aware of that and know that that's coming from a place of insecurity. But why do we feel the need to keep going like this?<br /><br /> It's because we don't have enough friendships out there. When we have our crew (even if it's just one person) with us that has our back, we are stronger. The world would be so much better if we could express our thoughts and know that someone was backing us up. If we see an injustice happening and it's just us standing up for something, chances are we may not say anything, because we'll be outnumbered and destroyed in some way. But if there's someone else saying it with us, there's great power in numbers.</span></strong></span></span></p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>Blue Jay - Authentic Communication TRANSCRIPT</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Hi everyone. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:01]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> What was that? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:03]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> My throat made a weird sound, . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:05]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Fair enough.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It made us sound like the other day I was talking to someone very, very important to me like, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:13]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> like me,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> like you sweetheart. But it was my first meeting with them and it was, it was for like a career making move situation. It was my first meeting and I had my mega</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> professional voiceover mic on while we were on Zoom. So this thing picks up everything and I, I just happened to be sitting in like a lotus position while I was talking. So my stomach was closer and my stomach made the loudest sound. My heat, my stomach, my </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:44]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> never makes sense. , </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:47]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I was, I didn't know</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> What do you do when that happens? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:51]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Exactly. What do you do?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:52]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I mean, it went on for a while. Like it was like, Hey,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:59]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I, you know what? Oh my goodness. Yeah. When I was in, uh, offices with other people mm-hmm. and yeah, my stomach started to make strange noises. I would actually just start to cough</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> That's like, A long time ago, if I went over to a boyfriend's house, I would turn on the shower when I wanted to pee. But, uh, it's like now that I think about it, I'm like, why would you be taking a shower? Dang. Wait, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:25]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> hold on. Hold on, hold on. Or even worse, what if he thought the sound of the shower was you peeing?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:30]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Oh my God. Anyway. Wow. This </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> girl's got a lot going. There's something I've been wanting to talk about for a long time, which is authentic communication, revealing authenticity. I've been wanting to talk about this forever. I. . You know, we always, when we started this podcast, we thought, oh my God, we only have a few things to talk about really.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> But it's been three years and we've done an episode or three every single week, and there's still so much to talk about. And I'm looking at this notebook with, I don't know, so many posted notes on it. Right? And those posted. , I mean, thick, thick, thick notebooks. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:12]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Multiple. And I just gave you a new idea today.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:14]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Mm-hmm. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:15]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And so these, these posted notes are things that we haven't discussed yet, right. We really need to talk about. And one of them was revealing authenticity. And I think this is one of the major things that keep us from having friendships and good relationships is that, and why is it that when we expose our feelings, it feels like we create even more problems because we're left to be misunderstood.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:43]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And it just creates more of a situation where you have to talk about it and we don't talk about things. So things get unsaid, right? Things are left undone, and if you carry on a friendship, a relationship, over a course of years, it really builds. . And one of the things I wanted to talk to you about today is somebody I've been talking about on and off on our show once in a while, and it's one of my old friends who, it's funny because one person, Wendy, totally saw the friendship that I had with this person.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:25]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> . Why are you friends with them? . Oof. Well, no, she didn't put it like that. She didn't put it like that, but she made me question it like, you're right. I know. I don't know. I don't know because this person has said some messed up stuff to me and why is it that I still so respect and like them?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:44]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Why? Anyway, so. I decided once again, like it, it's happened a few times. Like I need, I tell myself I need to take a break. I need to step away from this person. And, and then, then I, another thing I do is I, I take on the full responsibility on myself. Like if she said, oh, your Fawn art photography shit, you know, like, or when you proposed to me, Matt and I told her and she's like, "I just wouldn't take him seriously Fawn" you know, which I know bothers you. , . Um, but she said so many messed up things like that to me. Right. If you seem like you're busy, she's like, okay, bye. And she clicks like she doesn't wait for you to say goodbye as well.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> , but one of the things that really bothers me about this friendship is from the very beginning, I kept catching her in lies. And you don't, you know, that's a deal breaker for me, Matt. White lies any kind of lie is dangerous in my opinion. And it's stupid stuff. I'm like, why would you even be lying about that, for example, like I keep thinking about all these things that come up when I think about her.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Like when we were getting married, Matt, when we were getting married and we had our venue, this beautiful place in Malibu, it was amazing. She found out where it was and she was visiting. and then all of a sudden had to go. I'm like, okay. So I walked her to her car. I'm like, like, what's the rush? Where are you going? ? And she lied. Now I knew she lied because the venue had called me to tell me that, to, to say, oh, thanks your friend called. to also look at the venue for her wedding.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And it was her. Now she lied about going there. Why would you do that? Stuff like that. Right. This doesn't make any </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:41]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> sense to me. Yep. Exactly. Exactly. Cuz if she had chosen to get married there and she didn't, but had she chosen to get married there, it would've been like, uh, kind of the same place.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:50]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Uh, when did you look at it? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> But who cares? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:52]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> That's ridiculous.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:53]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I don't care. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:54]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And there you go. That's the other thing is it is a little ridiculous, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:57]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> but like, it's stuff like, a lot. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:00]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Well, okay. And, and honestly I think it funnel star, it feels a lot like the alpha and beta beta friends. She always kind of, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> you always say that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:11]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Yeah. Saw you as the beta to her alpha. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Like, I'm lower. You're the than she is. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:15]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> She's the leader of the pack, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:17]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> which is weird. It's just annoying.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:20]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So I take on the responsibility like, oh, well, if I get offended, that's on me. . You know what I mean? That's who she chooses to be. That's fine.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:28]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> She's frog and the scorpion. Yeah, absolutely. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:31]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> But yeah, I have to remember that she's a scorpion, that she will sting. And I can't be surprised when she's stinging me, because that's her nature, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:39]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> All right. And maybe I'm also being too sensitive. Like over the years, these are all the justifications that I've had for my, for our friendship </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">there, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:46]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> there has been a good side. I mean, it's, it. . Everybody's had that friend who always tells them about their significant other and they only whine and complain about them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:57]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And you're like, oh my God, why are you with them? It's because they don't tell you all the good stuff. Mm-hmm. , there, there is good stuff here </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:03]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> and I always tell you the good stuff about her. However, over the years, I've had to really take a look at it. Mm-hmm. , and I think that bad stuff is outweighing because all the lies and all the mysterious behavior.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Now she's facing that in her partner and she thinks it's one-sided. And I, I'm of the belief. it, it takes two. Right? Right. Like you attract and Right. Let's say if she even, she wasn't even that kind of person, that lies a lot. Mm-hmm. that if you're with that kind of person for all these years, you will end up having that same behavior because you're around them a lot.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:48]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So anyway. I'm choosing to step back, we've had some things happen in our little family that requires all of our attention and energy. Right, right. It's heavy, scary stuff.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And I, I texted her and I said, going through some really scary, scary stuff. , she just ignored it. And then, she's like, I'm going through so much, but you know, I understand pain is pain. I felt like she was discounting me. So I in text, told her what was going on and it's some life and death stuff, right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:25]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And all she did was say, I'm so sorry your girls are experiencing pain. And I never heard from her again. I'm like, are you serious? Thanks </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:33]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> for the sage advice. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:34]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Wow. Wow. Okay. So, I'm, I'm well, but, but </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:39]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> you're a feel good </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:39]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> friend for her. I don't know what I am </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:42]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> for her. She calls you to </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:43]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> make herself feel better.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> What I've realized is she always calls me to use me. This is how I felt. I've never expressed this out loud to you. I feel like she always calls me to use me as a bouncing board for affirmations. Like she'll say all the things that are wonderful in her life, but they're not really true to what she's trying to manifest.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:07]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> So momentum. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So she's trying to tell me, things are wonderful. And then as time goes on, I realize no, it's not like she actually is quite the opposite, but she's just using me as like, you know how you talk, you know how the spiritual people are like, they talk to the universe and they do affirmations.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:27]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Mm-hmm. , she's, she's using me as her audience for that, I feel like. There have been so many cases where I know for a fact she's been lying to other people, she hides things. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:37]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> , anyway. I don't wanna, let's don't wanna, let's, let's, I don't wanna, I'm just using this as an example to talk about why is it that we are not authentic, that we don't communicate.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Why is it that I have not communicated to her everything that I've noticed about her, because I know it will turn into a fight. I'll be turned down. I will lose the friendship because she won't hear it. She won't hear what I have to say. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:07]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Well, has she ever opened the door and said, wow, I've noticed this about myself, or my partner has said this about me, and just let it hang.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:18]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And it's something that's obviously bad. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Never </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:22]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> See, she hasn't opened that door, so you, it's hard to walk through it now with me and, and some of my friends, like I know the stupid stuff they've done and I know that they've been called on it by their significant other, and you know, I. , I don't further add to it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:40]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I don't reign more fire down on them over that one incident. But then when I start to notice them doing the same pattern, I call them out. But he opened the door by telling me first. Mm-hmm. And otherwise you're presuming, or it may be unwelcome and honestly it's a less deep friendship. I describe</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:03]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I met so and so, we came really close to having a real conversation, but we didn't, you know, turns out I had a real conversation this week with someone I've only had one or two conversations with before. This would be, I call him Esquire because he happens to be an attorney. And we had a very real conversation where we talked about missteps we had made and foolish things we had done, and wise things we had done as a result of making foolish mistakes,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:32]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> but we were both vulnerable to each other. So </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:36]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> you were revealing your authenticity. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:38]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> So I opened the door, or he opened the door. I don't know who did it first, but we both opened the door to allow each other to actually see us as normal human beings. And what's so fascinating is, as we were talking, we were in a public place.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:54]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Somebody came over and they only wanted to talk about a success that they had had. And we had just been talking in a similar vein about areas where we'd screwed up . And he tried to mention, oh yeah, we were just talking about, you know, times we screwed up and this person refused to hear it and only wanted us to celebrate them on their success.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:16]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Which is a very super, I know what you're talking about. Superficial world. Yeah. And you know what? Absolutely good for. . They, they, something happened. Complete kick butt thing for them. Totally </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> cool. You talk about this in business, how people do really well in the stock market. Yep. But you only hear them talking about their wins in this.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:34]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Well, and that's just stock market. Who knows if they're, if they do well in the stock market, but you hear about the winning trade, you hear about the time that they bet on a horse you never talk and they won 10 million, you know, whatever it is, but they </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:46]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> never talk. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:47]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> They never talk about the 40 times they screwed up.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:50]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> You know, um, I've been going through football picks with a buddy of mine and oh my God, I do, I focus on nothing because I talk about everything and it's like, you know, I meant to pick, but I didn't, so it doesn't count. Or this was my lock. I did, I went two for three on my locks.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:07]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> So, you know, we're, we're very honest and open and forthright. And what's interesting is when I talked to this other gentleman, Mr. Es. I was only going through the things I'd done stupidly. It was really bizarre. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:20]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So this is the thing, the authentic communication, the revealing authenticity. I feel like </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:27]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> there's not enough time. I present to you exactly what I am. Right, and I feel like, I think, I think I need to do that more so like in a case like this friend that I just described to you guys about, perhaps I should constantly say I refuse to be around lies. Even the little ones that you think are little are huge to me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:48]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> You know, maybe I should say that more and more and more. and really reveal that about myself and maybe I should reveal more of my powers and I don't. Do you know what I'm saying? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:00]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Yes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I'm always very much like, um, I don't know in my culture, like if I make you a meal, I'm deprecating of myself, even though I know the meal is beautiful.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:10]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Right. I, I refuse to like, maybe take compliments, so I act inferior and so I shouldn't get mad when people think I'm beneath them, but I feel offended when they do . So maybe that's my problem. Like on, on me. I have to reveal more of my authenticity, which is the good stuff. Do you know what I'm saying?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:31]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I do. I reveal my authenticity in my foibles, like we've said before, right? But I think. , I have to come across as more powerful and more confident. Which leads us to the topic that we're talking about today. So you were like, you know, we're going through the notebook. I'm like, oh my God, there was really so much to talk about.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:52]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> What are we gonna talk about today, ? I sat down at my desk and I'm like, I think we should talk about revealing authenticity, like authentic communication. What do you think? And then you got distracted and you're like, oh my God, there are all these blue Jays outside right outside our door,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:08]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> like five.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:09]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> That was crazy, right? And then one of them started knocking like it was a knock at the door. It was wild. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:15]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> It was.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:16]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> They were definitely saying something. So, I was at my desk, I started to Google, what does it mean when a bunch of Blue Jays show up ? What's the spiritual meaning of Blue Jays?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:27]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And I came across this article and let me tell you, it was great. It actually like . I hope to be friends with this person. So the article is from mindbody green.com. It's written by Sarah Regan, she's a spirituality and relationship writer. And she wrote this article called What it Really Means If You Keep Seeing Blue Jays and What to Do about It.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:53]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> She interviewed this woman who, is an animal spiritualist Jordana van. Now Matt knows, I'm obsessed with books like I, I want books all the time. Like I always wanna buy books. So do you, I mean you're, but you have a fine collection of like literature. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:13]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I'm like, fine right now on I'm, matter of fact, I'm thinking I need to pair down a little bit, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:18]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> but like I have been always intrigued by signs in nature, even though I'm terrified of nature, like terrified . When I first met Matt, when we were first married, actually not when we first met, but when we were married, and we moved to this island, in the middle of the night</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:40]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> you said, let's go for a hike. I'm like, are you insane, man, if we do, we're gonna have to pack lots of heat, like take some guns with us. , because I was scared, like I'd much prefer to go in like a city neighborhood. And take a walk like I would, I, because I, that's more my realm and you're more like nature, like how people would be terrified of going to some unknown neighborhood in a major city in the middle of the night.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:15]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I felt more comfortable doing that than taking a walk in the forest in the middle of the night. So, Why am I saying this? Oh, so even though I'm terrified of nature, I've always thought there are signs out there. So I got this book recently on how to read water, how to read the wind, how to read the clouds, and what they're all telling you, like specifically like what's happening.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:39]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And um, but anyway, on the other spectrum, I like to always look at the spiritual meanings of things. Like what does it mean when you see Blue Jays? So as I was reading this, About why Blue Jays show up in your life. And I'm not talking about like, oh, you just see a blue jay. When you see a blue jay, and you have a profound feeling about it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Like you feel like, whoa, something's happening. Like when there's a bunch of them and then one of them is knocking at your door and you're like, whoa, something is happening, right? Someone's trying to tell me something. And I was, as I was reading this, . And as I was thinking of this friend that I'm talking about, I remembered a long time ago, back in the day when I was single. I went to visit her and I decided to go on her balcony just for a few minutes to close my eyes and, think, and Matt, when I did that, like I I, I was doing a little prayer like in meditation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:43]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I'm not kidding you Matt, it felt like all the blue Jays from the neighborhood showed up screaming. You know how loud Blue Jays are? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:51]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Oh yeah. Very shrill. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:53]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And they were all around my head. It was not my imagination because she came out this friend of. She's like, what's happening? And she was, I looked at her, I'm like, do you see this?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:03]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Like, , what is happening? Is this normal? Like, is this on your balcony all the time? She's like, never. I'm like, huh. So anyway, so the blue Jay thing is legit, I think the sign that we should follow today and discuss. So going back to this article </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:22]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Here's what they say about the blue Jay. When the blue Jay shows up, the sign is about authentic interpersonal and creative self-expression. When we are not being honest in our communications, because we're afraid if we speak the truth that we wouldn't get what we want or need. that we would lose what's important to us in our lives.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:47]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I mean, think about it at work, how many times are, do we have to be au inauthentic throughout the day because we may lose what's vital to us, right? We have to be inauthentic with people around us because God forbid they get triggered, not because it's our fault, but like we have to be careful. I can't be authentic.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I feel like I can be right now where we live, but for most of my life I couldn't be authentic because I had to constantly think how it would affect people around me that are not comfortable with my color, right, that are not comfortable with me as a woman that are not comfortable with me as a woman from the Middle East.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:36]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Do you know what I mean? Or Absolutely. Whatever religion they think I am. Absolutely. So I can't be my authentic self. Even my voice would change. Like I wouldn't, I would try not to be loud. Would they consider loud, you know what I'm saying? Right. So I had to like mute everything down, turn down the volume in all aspects and not be myself.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:59]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> . So some other meanings, the blue Jay is offering, again, this is from Sarah's article and she interviewed the woman, Jordana Van, who is an animal spiritualist. The other meaning for the blue Jay is acting with confidence. It has another meaning, which is loyalty and partnership.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:18]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Did you know that Blue Jay's mate for life, and not only do they mate for life, but they hang out together year-round. Isn't that interesting?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:27]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> It is. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:28]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And they have this strong family bond they have loyalty and a sense of protectiveness. And so when you look at Blue Jay's, they seem very harsh and aggressive.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:40]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> They're protective, they're loyal and protective. The other meaning that came up was judgment. the article said, blue Jay's can also represent being judged by yourself or others. They can also mean we're receiving unfair judgment from others. Are we triggering someone else's ego?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> A Blue Jay's message could be telling us. We can never be wrong when we're simply living our truth, even if it bothers or threatens others, I just, um, I don't know. Don't you find that interesting? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:13]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I do. Yeah. It is interesting. I think Blue Jays, in particular between Blue Jays and like a cardinal, which is red; these are colors that don't really appear a lot in nature.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:24]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I know the sky is blue, but, you know, they can't camouflage, they can't hide inside of a tree and the cardinal most of the year can't do it either. So I kind of understand why they would have to be loyal and protective and, you know, certainly noticeable, but, . I do find it interesting. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:44]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And going back to what I was saying at the beginning, you're talking to a friend and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:50]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> this is something I learned. When I was in my early twenties, I had no qualms about completely being authentic and I think that that's when I started to hear and see the lessons of why it's not okay to be authentic. Right. Like I remember I dressed up and now this is totally cool to do nowadays, but I had an interview to work on a movie set.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:15]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> A friend was setting it up for me. Mm-hmm. and I totally dressed up as me Fawn, like I looked ethnic. Okay. Right. And my friend who was setting this up, and it was a movie with Danny Devito. She looked at me and she scolded me and like how her mother scolded her and she said, you are not actually gonna wear that, are you?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:40]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> You're not gonna go in looking like that. Wow. Oh my God. I wasn't going in for an accounting position. And so we, you know what? One of our friends is an accountant and every day her hair is a different color and she's an amazing accountant. It's like, first of all, this is a creative job. , but I mean, anyway, so when things like that happen and you feel like, what's at stake here?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:07]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Do I really need to erase parts of myself to make it happen out there in the world? Do you know what I mean? Yes. Lessons like that over time, chip away at your authenticity, at your communication skills, at your confide, everything gets destroyed, right? But if we can remember everything, that person who, who judges you like that, even if it's yourself having if, if you're having thoughts like that within your own mind about yourself, like, who am I to go and pursue this?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Oh, I looked terrible today. Oh, I'm too fat. I'm too skinny, I'm too old, I'm too young. All those judgments. We have to be aware of that and know that that's coming from a place of insecurity. Perhaps that so-called friend that said that to me before I went in for this interview and I ended up not going by the way.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:05]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> She was incredibly insecure and maybe she looked at me like, how dare you be yourself? Like, I, I think I was a threat. because she knew my talent. She knew I had a lot to offer for that movie. Mm-hmm. . But you know, she said what she said and she got her way. But why do we feel the need to keep going like this?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:25]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It's because we don't have enough friendships out there. If you have your crew with you that have your back.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I always say this, Matt, the world would be so much better if you could express your thoughts and know that someone was backing you up. If you see an injustice happening and it's just you saying something, chances are you may not see it say it right, because you know you'll, you'll be outnumbered and destroyed in some way.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:55]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> but if there's someone else saying it with you, there's great power in numbers. Correct. Even if it's just one person with you. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:02]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Very much </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:04]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> so. I think it's the lack of friendships that is causing this inauthenticity. And you see it everywhere. You see it with our relationships. You see it in business in food...</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:17]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Oh my God. I just revisited a documentary that was done in 2008 about food, "Food, Inc." </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:27]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> and we see it in, you're gonna love this. Here's a weird one, plucked from Nowhere. We see it in movies. Yeah. Because what we're seeing nowadays is we're seeing the gee, let's, let's take a look at, um, um, oh God, I forget his name.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:43]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> The. Warrior with many faces, the hero with many faces, which was the classic story that Lucas like ripped and turned into Star Wars. But now we're literally seeing the Star Wars franchise coming out with new product every 30 seconds, the Marvel franchise coming out with new product every, every 30 seconds.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:02]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And to tie it back to why is it so hard to be authentic, it can be really hard to change that. There's a predictable model that says, gee, Black Panther II should make X amount of money. And you know, a new X-Men movie will make y amount of money and a new Star Wars movie will make Z amount of money.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:20]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And that's very predictable. Versus if somebody wants to create something brand spankin' new it might make zero or it might make a trillion dollars or somewhere in between and nobody knows. And there's that. It's the unpredictable unpredictability that I think freaks out the accountants, which helps to form this whole uniformity across the spectrum as far as even our entertainment choices.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:46]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Mm-hmm. . So </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:47]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> it comes down to so many things we talk about all the time, Matt. people who are down to clown with us. Yes. You know, like how it's a term you made up. Right. It's, it's yours. Right. I did not make that one up. You, oh man. , every time I think you have, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:03]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Mario actually was the first person I heard say it, and I, I thought maybe he made it up, but I don't think so.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:08]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Cause I've heard at other places too. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:10]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Well, like you have to let your freak flag fly and be confident. And it comes back to confidence, which is another thing that the Blue Jay teaches. Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:17]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And again, Inner Popeye. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> exactly. Own who you are are, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:21]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> you. Know who you are, know who. Own who you are. And I've been thinking about higher level Inner Popeye.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:28]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> There's a difference between owning who you are and showing the world who you are. And that is next level inner Popeye, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:38]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So are we ready to close off with some final thoughts? Oh dear. Or do you have to say something else? I do </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:43]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> not </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:44]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> have to say anything else. Okay. So words of advice </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:47]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> if you are feeling judged by others or even when you are judging yourself, release your inner critic. Release your inner critic.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Disregard the judgment of others. Here's a quote from Jordana Van: " If your mindset isn't speaking to you with patience, affirmation, and love, this is absolutely at the top of the list of things that the blue Jay wants you to work on .If you're being judged by others. Here's another quote from Jordana Van. "If the critics are in the minority and you truly love what you're doing, there's no need to give their judgements any weight.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:35]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> There are always going to be at least a few critics everywhere we go. The universe has designed you to be who you are, and the world needs you to be that person, not who you think you need to be to please others.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And the final message from the blue jay. And our friends, Sarah Regan and Jordana Van, blue Jays encourage us to be confident and strong. If you feel like you need help in this department, study, people you respect, who have respect, who have the respect of others, and use the tools that they're using.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:17]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So in a way, start imitating authentically like ex, you know, imitating it, imitating the behaviors, you know? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. or OR ways. Right. But doing it from who you are, combining it with who you are, that will help you. That's it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:35]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Sounds good. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:36]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> All right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:37]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Love you guys. Thank you for listening </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:39]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> very much. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:40]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Talk to you in a few days.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:41]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Be </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:42]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> well.</span></span></p>
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[00:00:00] FAWN: Hi everyone. . 
[00:00:01] MATT: What was that? 
[00:00:03] FAWN: My throat made a weird sound, . 
[00:00:05] MATT: Fair enough.
[00:00:06] FAWN: It made us sound like the other day I was talking to someone very, very important to me like, 
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;">What is Hypergrowth Mode in Friendship? What happens if someone's not growing and you've grown or you are not growing and the other person has grown; if you have an open mind about it, you can still connect and be together. But that's where you can't be so locked into certain belief systems. So if, let's say you've grown so much and you come back. . I'm like, what happened? And you tell me your experience, then if I'm totally open to also acquiring that growth at that precise moment because of your growth, if I'm totally openhearted about it, I think that that's what keeps a true friendship going.<br /><br /> Have you noticed it's gotten easier or harder as time goes by to actually keep in touch with these people who are on either side of it? In this episode, we discuss what happens when people you know who are going through hypergrowth, or if you're going through hypergrowth, these people who are not, can lead to a breakup; which may lead us back to another topic from last week (we did talk about), which was social comparison theory, where somebody's leaving your peer group.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Hi everybody. Welcome back. We have no idea what we're gonna talk about. Oh, we don't do we? Aww. What is going on? Hi everybody. Hope you're well. Love you. Thanks for listening. Thanks for tuning in. What's going on Matt? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:15]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> What's on your mind? Okay, here we go. So, back in college I noticed a phenomenon, phenomenon,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:23]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Anyways, uh, it was the most fascinating thing. There would be a girl, woman just starting college. She left her boyfriend back at home, wherever home was, and like clockwork, you could watch this happen. And I watched this happen six or seven times, actually over the course of my four years at university.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:45]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> You know, they would tell you how in love they were and how they'd been together for however long it was. In some case it was years and then Thanksgiving, they'd have an argument and it would end on a bad note. Christmas, they'd break up like clockwork. Why do you think that is? And it was literally like clockwork.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:09]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> It wasn't. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Well, I have found that when you start a fight or you start an argument or you get into an argument, I think it's one's way of ending the relationship when you know it's come to its close, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:24]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> but why has it come...</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[What is Hypergrowth Mode in Friendship? What happens if someone's not growing and you've grown or you are not growing and the other person has grown; if you have an open mind about it, you can still connect and be together. But that's where you can't be so locked into certain belief systems. So if, let's say you've grown so much and you come back. . I'm like, what happened? And you tell me your experience, then if I'm totally open to also acquiring that growth at that precise moment because of your growth, if I'm totally openhearted about it, I think that that's what keeps a true friendship going. Have you noticed it's gotten easier or harder as time goes by to actually keep in touch with these people who are on either side of it? In this episode, we discuss what happens when people you know who are going through hypergrowth, or if you're going through hypergrowth, these people who are not, can lead to a breakup; which may lead us back to another topic from last week (we did talk about), which was social comparison theory, where somebody's leaving your peer group.
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Hypergrowth Mode TRANSCRIPT
[00:00:00] FAWN: Hi everybody. Welcome back. We have no idea what we're gonna talk about. Oh, we don't do we? Aww. What is going on? Hi everybody. Hope you're well. Love you. Thanks for listening. Thanks for tuning in. What's going on Matt? 
[00:00:15] MATT: What's on your mind? Okay, here we go. So, back in college I noticed a phenomenon, phenomenon,
[00:00:23] MATT: Anyways, uh, it was the most fascinating thing. There would be a girl, woman just starting college. She left her boyfriend back at home, wherever home was, and like clockwork, you could watch this happen. And I watched this happen six or seven times, actually over the course of my four years at university.
[00:00:45] MATT: You know, they would tell you how in love they were and how they'd been together for however long it was. In some case it was years and then Thanksgiving, they'd have an argument and it would end on a bad note. Christmas, they'd break up like clockwork. Why do you think that is? And it was literally like clockwork.
[00:01:09] MATT: It wasn't. 
[00:01:11] FAWN: Well, I have found that when you start a fight or you start an argument or you get into an argument, I think it's one's way of ending the relationship when you know it's come to its close, 
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;">What is Hypergrowth Mode in Friendship? What happens if someone's not growing and you've grown or you are not growing and the other person has grown; if you have an open mind about it, you can still connect and be together. But that's where you can't be so locked into certain belief systems. So if, let's say you've grown so much and you come back. . I'm like, what happened? And you tell me your experience, then if I'm totally open to also acquiring that growth at that precise moment because of your growth, if I'm totally openhearted about it, I think that that's what keeps a true friendship going.<br /><br /> Have you noticed it's gotten easier or harder as time goes by to actually keep in touch with these people who are on either side of it? In this episode, we discuss what happens when people you know who are going through hypergrowth, or if you're going through hypergrowth, these people who are not, can lead to a breakup; which may lead us back to another topic from last week (we did talk about), which was social comparison theory, where somebody's leaving your peer group.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Hi everybody. Welcome back. We have no idea what we're gonna talk about. Oh, we don't do we? Aww. What is going on? Hi everybody. Hope you're well. Love you. Thanks for listening. Thanks for tuning in. What's going on Matt? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:15]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> What's on your mind? Okay, here we go. So, back in college I noticed a phenomenon, phenomenon,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:23]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Anyways, uh, it was the most fascinating thing. There would be a girl, woman just starting college. She left her boyfriend back at home, wherever home was, and like clockwork, you could watch this happen. And I watched this happen six or seven times, actually over the course of my four years at university.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:45]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> You know, they would tell you how in love they were and how they'd been together for however long it was. In some case it was years and then Thanksgiving, they'd have an argument and it would end on a bad note. Christmas, they'd break up like clockwork. Why do you think that is? And it was literally like clockwork.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:09]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> It wasn't. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Well, I have found that when you start a fight or you start an argument or you get into an argument, I think it's one's way of ending the relationship when you know it's come to its close, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:24]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> but why has it come </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:25]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> to its close? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> You can just feel it. I don't know. You've grown, you've grown.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:29]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> It was literally like clockwork and it was literally a hundred percent of the women poled. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:36]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> poled, like you poled them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:37]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Well, like they </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:38]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> would tell me how they had a boyfriend at home and they were all in love with them and, and I would just watch this transpire. I wouldn't say anything. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:45]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Well, you're at </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:46]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> university, so you're, your windows are Thanksgiving and Christmas because those are the times that you are kicked out of university and forced to go back home, right back to where you came from.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:57]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:58]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So those are the windows of opportunity to connect and reconnect. And those are the times where you would have to do your business. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:07]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Absolutely. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:07]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> If that business is breaking up, that's when you do it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:10]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> But why break up? You're all in love with them. Like literally we would start school September, so September to October.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:16]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Okay. Thanksgiving, American Thanksgiving is in, is in, uh, November. All right. So September to November. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:22]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Okay. So I was in a relationship mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . And it was not good at all, right? It was very, very, very bad. Mm. As I'm saying this, the sirens are outside Dope . It was bad. And I had a friend who was like, why, Fawn, are you in this thing?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:42]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Right? I said, because I love him. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:45]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> That's always the reason isn't. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:46]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And then there was a movie about Tina Turner, "What's Love Got To Do With It?" And he quoted that movie to me. He's like, Fawn, what does love got to do with it. Love has nothing to do with it. That's why. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:59]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Right. And, and I hear you and I, I absolutely, yes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:02]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> In the case where love has run its course or there's an abusive relationship, having that opportunity going to university, stepping out of that relationship for X number of months, absolutely. But this was a hundred percent a cases. This wasn't </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> statistical. I don't understand your question. My, my thing is, my answer is I'm probably misunderstanding you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> You can still love each other, but you are walking different paths. Now, it doesn't mean you're in an abusive relationship, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:34]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> and that is wholly different right there. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:36]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> What I'm saying is love has nothing to do with it. You can still love the person, but if you're walking in different directions, that's what it is and you know that and it happens.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:46]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> People grow. People grow differently and they, they grow at a different pace, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:50]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> different times and Exactly. Ex see, steal my thunder woman. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Did I steal your thunder? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:55]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> You did. Oh, I used to call it hyper growth. I would say that in this case, the girl was in hyper growth mode. You go to university, you're in a new town.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:04]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> You are studying new things. You're meeting new people, you're having new experiences. Meanwhile, this person, this boyfriend, you've left at home is not experiencing the same level of growth they may be experiencing growth, yes, but it's not this kind of hyper growth that you encounter when you go to Uni.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And then there's this phenomenon, what is the word? Phenomena or phenomenon? What is the word exactly? I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:32]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> think, I think phenomena is kind of the plural of phenomenon is the singular, but I think we have to look, tend to be used interchangeably. So </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:41]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I don't know. I don't even know how to spell it. So what I'm saying is, what was I saying?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> What am I thinking? What I'm saying is that, what was I thinking?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I think that if it's true love, even with true love, you may still have instances where you have to have separation until the timing is correct. Mm-hmm. that particular situation or people,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> but like, If someone's not growing and you've grown or you are not growing and the other person has grown, if you have an open mind about it, you can still connect and be together. But that's where you can't be so locked into certain belief systems. So if, let's say you've grown so much and you come back. . I'm like, what happened?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:36]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And you're, you tell me your experience. Mm-hmm. , then if I'm totally open to also acquiring that growth at that precise moment because of your growth. If I'm totally openhearted about it. Mm-hmm. , I think that that's what keeps a true friendship going or relationship. Either way, it's the same thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:57]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Relationship, friendship. Right. Romantic. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:01]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Platonic, this is, this is definitely one of those areas that those tend to blur. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:05]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Absolutely. Well, I mean, like, let's say someone, let's say I only bake chocolate chip cookies a certain way, and it's a certain flavor with like, I don't know, maybe it's that, vanilla tasting chocolate chip cookie, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And then my best friend comes back from some other country and says, oh look, this is now how I'm doing the chocolate chip cookie. I'm putting in rosemary and garlic into it. Ooh. You can say, Ooh and separate, or you can say, whoa, let me try that . Right. You know </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:41]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> what I'm saying? Absolutely. Absolutely. And, and it's a difficult thing to figure out how to communicate this.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:49]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Um, Really gauging the person's receptivity because in point of fact, the couple of times that I really started thinking about this particular subject, I would ask the girl, um, well, why'd you guys have a fight during Thanksgiving? And invariably she would say something like, it just seems like he's just stuck in doing the things.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:13]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> You know, we, it was like we just did the things we used to do, but it didn't feel. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:18]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> The same. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:18]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And it happens, I think because they've had perspective, they've had time away, they've seen other things. So you have a different point of view. So when you come back to where you were, you're like, I don't like this view anymore.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> This view doesn't suit me anymore. Looking at life at this perspective. Right. And And if the other person doesn't wanna have another point of view mm-hmm. , then there's a problem. Well, but there's no problem if they do or if they're open to it. Who? Okay. What </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:48]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> can't get a word in edgewise. Also at </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:51]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> 18, 19, you are not, I don't think that the, the women involved in my, uh, unscientific study, uh, had the vocabulary with which to express that kind of stuff.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:04]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> What stuff? Well, like, you know, maybe we should do such and such, or, you know, well, I don't think these are the things I've experienced. Well, yeah, no, it's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> not your job. You said communicate and it's, no, it's not about communication. I, I just think it's about, it's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:18]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> about communicating and sharing those, those </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:20]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> things.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:20]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Well, no, it's about feeling open, having an open outlook. It's not about communicating, it's about being open to. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:27]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Yes, but I honestly think the majority of times the guys probably would've been open to it, but it didn't transpire because it wasn't brought forth by the other party. Well, Yeah, because they go through, you go through so many changes, it's hard to articulate them all.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:44]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> So what? The </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:44]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> question is, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:46]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> what do 19, you don't have the vocabulary to articulate </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> them all. You know what, it's not about that age. It's about most people don't have the vocabulary to do anything. We just had an argument today about that used certain words. I'm like, might you can't use those words. You know, like it sounded terrible.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:02]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> He's like, well, what do you want me to do? I'm like, well, you should use this other word instead. It would've changed the whole feeling of what you said. You said, why did you sit on my couch, , or something like that. I'm like, instead of my should have been our couch. What do you mean your couch? You know what I'm saying?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It's our couch. Whatever. So why did you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:26]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> sit on our couch? That doesn't sound, and, and, and I don't wanna get back into this though, cause I'm gonna get in </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> trouble. I'm just saying one word can change everything. So now I forgot what we were talking about. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:39]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> It's, it's hard to articulate when you go through a period of hyper growth, it's hard to articulate.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:43]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Yeah. All the things </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:44]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> that you're growing. I wouldn't put it on an age group. I would say as a human being, it's hard to articulate. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:49]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Yes. But as you grow older and more experienced, it's easier.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I disagree.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:55]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> To articulate the changes you go through. Oh </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:58]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> my God, Matt, I so disagree. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:59]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I said, I said I didn't </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> say easy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I said easy. I don't know. I've been thinking about this a lot lately in that I feel like as, as we grow older, we have more responsibilities. There's so much that is asking for attention that it's harder to communicate as we get older because there's literally so much to think about that when something comes up, you don't have the capacity to discuss that one thing because as you're experiencing this one thing, 10 other things are happening at the same time and you're exhausted.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:36]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So I think. Uh, communication at all times is difficult. You could say, oh, well, we don't have the vocabulary for it because this age group doesn't have the vocabulary. You could say, this age group doesn't have the experience, and therefore they don't have the vocabulary because they don't have the experience.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:55]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> But you can also say, because there's so much experience happening, you don't have the capacity, right? So there's always </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:01]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> something going on. You could say that. Having now gone through multiple moves , I am more able to keep in touch and keep connected to people from previous destinations because I've learned good ways of trying to make that stuff happen and trying to keep those relationships together.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:21]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I have a better vocabulary, I have a better understanding, and I understand a different pace and tempo for the whole thing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> You've had some repetition. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:28]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I've had repetition. You've had practice. I've gained through experience from practice. Yes. And again, welcome to the world of not experienced, haven't been through it, so agree to disagree.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:42]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> So anyways, but my, my, here's, here's, here's my other thing is, and another thing, I wonder how prevalent it is now because communication is so much more kind of permeating our existence. And so it's easier to stay in much more constant contact with people. , </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:59]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> but because there's so much, it's just as hard. Well, because there are a lot more people to, uh, to remain in contact with.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:07]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> That </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:08]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> is true. But if this is your sweet Babu</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:13]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> to quote, uh, Sally from Peanuts, I don't know, Matt. I know it's a, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:20]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> it's a sticky, tricky, honestly, life is an ever flowing mix of everything, so I don't know. I know. Me neither. Who I don't even know anymore. Well, , </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:31]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> shall we post it as an open question to our, our listeners? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:35]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> What's the question again? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:37]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> First of all, have you ever seen this phenomena that I'm describing?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:40]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And secondly, you know, have you noticed it's gotten easier or harder as time goes by to actually keep in touch with these people who are e E either side of it, these people who you know who are going through hyper growth, or these people, or if you're going through hyper growth, these people who are not which, that may lead us back to another topic we did talk about, which was social comparison theory.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:03]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Somebody leaving your peer group.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I can barely keep up with myself sometimes, Matt, as what was happening lately? I don't even know. I don't even know. I don't know. All right. What do you think? I don't know. Do you know? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:20]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I think I want try those chocolate chip cookies with the, uh, with the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> rosemary and garlic? Yes. No, Rosemary. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:25]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Oh, it's rosemary.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:26]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Yeah, absolutely. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:28]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Like something totally different. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Okay, let's try it. All right. Good for you. Good for you. Trying new things, . All right. We'll talk to you in a few days, okay? Okay. Bye guys. See you soon.</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[What is Hypergrowth Mode in Friendship? What happens if someone's not growing and you've grown or you are not growing and the other person has grown; if you have an open mind about it, you can still connect and be together. But that's where you can't be so locked into certain belief systems. So if, let's say you've grown so much and you come back. . I'm like, what happened? And you tell me your experience, then if I'm totally open to also acquiring that growth at that precise moment because of your growth, if I'm totally openhearted about it, I think that that's what keeps a true friendship going. Have you noticed it's gotten easier or harder as time goes by to actually keep in touch with these people who are on either side of it? In this episode, we discuss what happens when people you know who are going through hypergrowth, or if you're going through hypergrowth, these people who are not, can lead to a breakup; which may lead us back to another topic from last week (we did talk about), which was social comparison theory, where somebody's leaving your peer group.
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Hypergrowth Mode TRANSCRIPT
[00:00:00] FAWN: Hi everybody. Welcome back. We have no idea what we're gonna talk about. Oh, we don't do we? Aww. What is going on? Hi everybody. Hope you're well. Love you. Thanks for listening. Thanks for tuning in. What's going on Matt? 
[00:00:15] MATT: What's on your mind? Okay, here we go. So, back in college I noticed a phenomenon, phenomenon,
[00:00:23] MATT: Anyways, uh, it was the most fascinating thing. There would be a girl, woman just starting college. She left her boyfriend back at home, wherever home was, and like clockwork, you could watch this happen. And I watched this happen six or seven times, actually over the course of my four years at university.
[00:00:45] MATT: You know, they would tell you how in love they were and how they'd been together for however long it was. In some case it was years and then Thanksgiving, they'd have an argument and it would end on a bad note. Christmas, they'd break up like clockwork. Why do you think that is? And it was literally like clockwork.
[00:01:09] MATT: It wasn't. 
[00:01:11] FAWN: Well, I have found that when you start a fight or you start an argument or you get into an argument, I think it's one's way of ending the relationship when you know it's come to its close, 
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                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>     Matt explores the findings of Leon Festinger who was trying to figure out how people like to arrange themselves into groups, peer groups, social groups, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And so he started really trying to get an understanding of what that means.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>     It's hard to measure yourself against other people in your peer group because peer groups are now infinitely huge and you make certain assumptions about who is and isn't in your peer group. People used to watch the Kardashians. How in the world can we relate to these people even though we live vastly different lives? What are the consequences of comparing ourselves to others?</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>     George Bush buys socks from Walmart and that look at how he's one of us makes him relatable. It was such an opportunistic, and it depends on which side of the political spectrum you live on, and how you react to that. But that was publicity. It was great publicity. Exactly. But that makes him relatable. And so what we're seeing in this day and age of the influencer, et cetera, et cetera, these people want to be relatable to the maximum number of people possible. And so they can afford and can curate the experience of seeing them, of, quote-unquote being with them in a very relatable way. And so you start to, we can't help it. It's kind of like we're wired to compare ourselves to these people and you can't compare yourselves to them. But we do, but we can't help it. And so this is why sometimes we get excited when we view one of these like pop celebrities as being bad. But that makes us quote-unquote "feel better about ourselves" because we can't help but compare ourselves to others in our peer groups. And also, and this is a really messed up part, is, once we've decided who's in our peer group, we will literally go out of our way to keep them in our peer group to keep them down.</strong></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Welcome back everybody. Hello. Hello. How are you?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:04]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Hello everyone. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:05]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> What are you up to? Hello Martin. Hello, Wendy. Hello, everyone. Everybody, everybody. Everybody around the world. Hello, France. Hello around the world. Matt, you've been looking into something. I have</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:23]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Right. It's the darnest thing. You go shooting down a rabbit hole, somebody puts three words together and all of a sudden, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:28]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> bam. How did it happen? How did you come across this thing?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:31]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I </span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[     Matt explores the findings of Leon Festinger who was trying to figure out how people like to arrange themselves into groups, peer groups, social groups, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And so he started really trying to get an understanding of what that means.
     It's hard to measure yourself against other people in your peer group because peer groups are now infinitely huge and you make certain assumptions about who is and isn't in your peer group. People used to watch the Kardashians. How in the world can we relate to these people even though we live vastly different lives? What are the consequences of comparing ourselves to others?
     George Bush buys socks from Walmart and that look at how he's one of us makes him relatable. It was such an opportunistic, and it depends on which side of the political spectrum you live on, and how you react to that. But that was publicity. It was great publicity. Exactly. But that makes him relatable. And so what we're seeing in this day and age of the influencer, et cetera, et cetera, these people want to be relatable to the maximum number of people possible. And so they can afford and can curate the experience of seeing them, of, quote-unquote being with them in a very relatable way. And so you start to, we can't help it. It's kind of like we're wired to compare ourselves to these people and you can't compare yourselves to them. But we do, but we can't help it. And so this is why sometimes we get excited when we view one of these like pop celebrities as being bad. But that makes us quote-unquote "feel better about ourselves" because we can't help but compare ourselves to others in our peer groups. And also, and this is a really messed up part, is, once we've decided who's in our peer group, we will literally go out of our way to keep them in our peer group to keep them down.
 
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>     Matt explores the findings of Leon Festinger who was trying to figure out how people like to arrange themselves into groups, peer groups, social groups, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And so he started really trying to get an understanding of what that means.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>     It's hard to measure yourself against other people in your peer group because peer groups are now infinitely huge and you make certain assumptions about who is and isn't in your peer group. People used to watch the Kardashians. How in the world can we relate to these people even though we live vastly different lives? What are the consequences of comparing ourselves to others?</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>     George Bush buys socks from Walmart and that look at how he's one of us makes him relatable. It was such an opportunistic, and it depends on which side of the political spectrum you live on, and how you react to that. But that was publicity. It was great publicity. Exactly. But that makes him relatable. And so what we're seeing in this day and age of the influencer, et cetera, et cetera, these people want to be relatable to the maximum number of people possible. And so they can afford and can curate the experience of seeing them, of, quote-unquote being with them in a very relatable way. And so you start to, we can't help it. It's kind of like we're wired to compare ourselves to these people and you can't compare yourselves to them. But we do, but we can't help it. And so this is why sometimes we get excited when we view one of these like pop celebrities as being bad. But that makes us quote-unquote "feel better about ourselves" because we can't help but compare ourselves to others in our peer groups. And also, and this is a really messed up part, is, once we've decided who's in our peer group, we will literally go out of our way to keep them in our peer group to keep them down.</strong></span></span></p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>The Social Comparison Theory</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Welcome back everybody. Hello. Hello. How are you?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:04]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Hello everyone. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:05]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> What are you up to? Hello Martin. Hello, Wendy. Hello, everyone. Everybody, everybody. Everybody around the world. Hello, France. Hello around the world. Matt, you've been looking into something. I have</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:23]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Right. It's the darnest thing. You go shooting down a rabbit hole, somebody puts three words together and all of a sudden, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:28]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> bam. How did it happen? How did you come across this thing?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:31]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:31]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> don't even, I don't even know </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> you guys. Matt has been talking about this social, what, how do you call it again?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:36]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Social comparison. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:37]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Social comparison theory,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:38]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> social comparison theory for weeks now, and he's been wanting to talk to you all about it. And so finally here we are . What's going on? What is it? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:50]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> gotta love. Psychiatrists, psychologists, sociologists, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Particularly back in the fifties, it's almost like they had nothing better to do.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:59]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And so they took all these poor people and they did all sorts of terrible, amazing poor people experiments. Stanford Prince Prison experience. That experiment. Ooh, scary. But I don't wanna talk about that one. That's just wrong. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> What do you mean by poor people? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Um, like, well, they would, financially poor people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:16]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> No, not financially poor, but </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:18]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> like they took advantage of people. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:19]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> You walk into a, an experiment and you have no idea what they're gonna do to you. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:25]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Why did people agree to do all this stuff? Like we hear about this all the time. They got paid. They got paid well, I'm sure the white people got paid. I'm sure other less fortunate people had no idea what was happening to them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:38]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Like you always hear about crazy experiments done on people. That is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:42]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> true, and this is crazy from a psychological perspective, it's not crazy as far as like running electro shocks or any of the rest of that through them. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Okay, so what is it? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:50]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Okay, so back in the fifties, crazy God, there's this guy, Festinger.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:56]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I think he was somewhere in the middle of the Midwest, but he was trying to figure out how people like to arrange themselves into groups, peer groups, social groups, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And so he started really trying to get an understanding of what that means and. You know, it's something we do now, but I think we do it now on a global scale.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:17]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> There is no kind of regional or citywide; it's hard to measure yourself against other people in your peer group because peer groups are now infinitely huge and you make certain assumptions about who is and isn't in your peer group. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Well, do people, do we even have peer groups anymore? Because it feels like.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:37]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> We don't really have that community anymore. So it's more like you're seeing people on TV and you're seeing people that are famous out there. And we try to relate to all these people that are unrelatable. You know, like people used to watch the Kardashians. Right. You know, and what, how, how in the world can you relate to these people and they're </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> unrelatable.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:01]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Well, and that's the weird part is, they try as hard as they can to be relatable. It was like when Bush was running for president, I was just, you know, just a little, little boy at this point. But when he was running for president, they made a big deal about the owner of the Houston Astros. Texans, I don't know, baseball team.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:25]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> God help me gonna get crucified for that. Anyways, they made a huge deal about him going to Walmart to buy socks.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> remember that like, oh, look at how he's just like one of us. Cuz he buys his socks from Walmart, right? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:39]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> He took those socks and threw 'em away 30 seconds after he left that, I mean, I mean, come on.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:44]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Yeah.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:45]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> You know, he probably had custom hand knitted socks from Virgin wool from blah blah blah, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> and it was like, it was all over the news. Like, Ooh, George Bush buys socks from Walmart and that look at how he's one of us </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:59]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> and that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:59]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> makes him relatable. , </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> but it was such an opportunistic, like, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:03]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> it depends on which side of political spectrum you live on, how you react to </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:07]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> But that was </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:09]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> publicity, that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:10]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> was pure. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:10]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> It was great publicity. Exactly. But that makes him relatable. And so what we're seeing in this day and age of the influencer, et cetera, et cetera, these people want to be relatable to the maximum number of people possible. And so they can afford and can curate the experience of seeing them, of, quote unquote being with them in a very relatable way.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:35]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And so you start to, we can't help it. It's kind of like we're wired to compare ourselves to these people and you can't compare yourselves to them. But we do, but we can't help it. But, but, but, but, and so this is why sometimes we get excited when, we view one of these like pop celebrities as being bad.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:58]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Like what, um, Elon Musk is currently going through over Twitter. He's getting raked over the coals. And from a subjective point of view, it's, it's a little daunting and uncomfortable. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Oh my God. I so wanna say something right </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:13]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> now. But that makes us quote unquote "feel better about ourselves" because we can't help but compare ourselves to others in our peer groups.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:21]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And this is one of the things he determined. And also, and this is a really messed up part, is, once we've decided who's in our peer group, we will literally go out of our way to keep them in our peer group to keep them down.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:35]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> What do you mean by </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:36]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> that? Well, Again, welcome to the world of experimentation. So he formed these, he figured out how to pair people. He figured out how to build these peer groups and he would have people inside of them that generally share the same opinions, similar abilities, cuz this is also how we differentiate ourselves.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:54]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And he would manipulate the environment in such a way that you would make the decision as to whether or not to keep down somebody in your peer group. Most people voted to keep, most people took steps to keep them down. How messed up </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> is that? Wait, I, you always lose me here? Mm-hmm. and I don't know why.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:15]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Can you re-explain that again? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:19]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Yeah. Yeah. And this was one of the more kind of uncomfortable, like factoids. He kind of, he dug out of this, so he, he created these groups. And these groups were generally, concerned with people of similar socioeconomical, similar socioeconomic, um, folks, similar opinions, similar abilities even.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:44]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And he constructed an experiment where one person in the group could perhaps be seen as being no longer belonging or moving out, out and up upwardly mobile out of this social group. But you and or you and someone else could choose to block that. And I don't remember exactly what the crux of the matter was, what the particular experiment, how you were able to do this, but they found out that in like 70% of cases, they would actually block the person from leaving their social group and keeping them </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:20]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> down.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Is this like the crab theory, like how they talk about a bunch of crabs in a bucket? When one crab figures out how to leave the bucket, they pull him down all the crap.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:33]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Have you heard of this? I have. Is it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:35]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> like that? I think so. It's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:38]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> just, and why is that? Is that because people feel threatened that their group will disappear if one person leaves? Well, I, then everybody else can leave. It's, and he'll be the only one that's not successful?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:49]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I think it's like what we go through every time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:52]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> You know, it's it, it feels like every time we decide to move, people take a offense to the fact that we would dare leave our current location. , which is typically where these people are. Like, why would you ever want to leave dot, dot, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:08]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> dot. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Yeah. A lot of people stopped being friends with us once they realized the miles involved in our move.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:18]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Right? They like said, oh, okay, well I guess that's it for our friendship. They literally said that, right? I'm like, really? It's a small world. Seriously. Like you wouldn't wanna have a friend over here that you can visit or like have a connection with? They literally ended the friendship. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:34]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Right. And it's, it's so bizarre in this day and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:37]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> age where, you know, we're so global, we're so global, communications are so global, and we're able to video chat, phone; we can literally text anybody any second of the day.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:50]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> But even video chat, we figured out how to overcome most of the barriers There. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Is. Like </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:55]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> what you say, we offend or people get offended because they feel like you're insulting their way </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:02]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> of life, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:03]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:03]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> But that's us moving out of a peer group. That's how they perceive it. And in point of fact, that's kind of how we're wired to perceive it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:12]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Because we're used to having a peer group. We can physically be present with our Elks Lodge, our boy scout t troop, our high school class, our, you know, fill in whatever blanks you want there. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:25]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So what do </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> you think the deal is? Why, why do people try to block you? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:31]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Great, great question. If you ask anybody, and I mean anybody, how do you compare yourself in gen?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:40]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And you say in general, which isn't a fair statement because people always kind of think about their peer groups, they don't think about the world. But if you ask everybody, you know, how good of a driver are you or how good looking are, do you think you are? Or, or, or, the most common answer is, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:59]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Above </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:59]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> average.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:59]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Exactly</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> . It's like that documentary we saw 20 something years ago. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. It's "People Like Us". </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:06]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> It circles around that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:07]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> exact same drain. Absolutely. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So we saw this documentary that was done by these guys. I think they were from New Jersey or something, or maybe it was Brooklyn East Coasty thing. Yeah.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:16]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> They, these two men did this documentary. and then recently, somewhat recently, there was a movie called the same title. It's not that this was, this was a documentary that was done. We saw it on PBS or something, didn't we? Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:31]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And then we had to track it down. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Yeah, we had to track it. We bought it. We'd like tracked down the creators of it because we were so impressed by their work.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:39]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> We bought a DVD back then. Um, but it was called People Like Us and it was about the social class system in the United Sates. It was mind blowing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:50]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> They went to Appalachia, they went to Jack and Jill Club. They went to, they covered upper </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:56]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> class, they went, they covered things that I, I wasn't even aware of that existed in our culture.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:03]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Right. It was fascinating. But what everyone had in common was, well, not everyone, but those truly affluent people. What everyone else had in common was they always thought they were of a higher class than they actually were. Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:21]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> and they, they always felt they were above average inside of that class.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:25]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Like above average beauty of above average intelligence above average. Uh, financially </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:33]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> until, until you got to like the really wealthy, and they would always say they were middle class. Isn't that interesting? Or upper middle? That's as high as people would generally go. But </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:42]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> like remember, they were showing this one kid who lived out of a trailer.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:47]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Was it, was he from the Appalachian? Appalachia </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:50]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Mountains. I don't think that was the Appalachia piece. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:53]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Um, he was basically living in total poverty, no running water, no electricity. He lived in a decrepit, like broken down, um, what do you call those things? It was a trailer. A trailer, and he barely had teeth.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:10]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> He was a young guy and he said he was middle class, right. anyway, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:17]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> but that's just it. We perceive ourselves to be a little bit better than the average person in our peer group. And so when somebody leaves our peer group or starts to assert that they're quote unquote "better than us", and where it gets fascinating is he took a look at two facets of peer groups, which is people's opinions and people's abilities.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:39]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And unfortunately for, for you, If you know, you're, you're grouped together by abilities and it's, it's all about how fast you can run a mile. That's an objective measure. You can absolutely say who's faster than you and who's not. So that's, there's a comfort there. But we do something similar with opinions.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:55]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> So typically people want to, hang out and associate with people whose opinions are similar to theirs. Welcome to, welcome to the World, welcome to certainly the United States in 2022, 2023. and so when people are moving out of that peer group, you know, their opinions are shifting and that makes people uncomfortable and they wanna drag people back to where they are because that gives them comfort.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:22]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Because you know this, this is yet someone else who agrees with my opinion. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Mm. Yeah, and it's a protect protection thing, like looking for people of the similar opinion as yours. If you're looking for that right now, I would say I'll speak for myself. If I do seek that out, it's because I'm looking for comfort in numbers, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:46]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Because I don't, I'm, you know, I'm tired of running into, um, racist, antisemitic people out there, and I know if I, if I meet someone of a certain political belief, if I meet someone who has a certain political belief that is similar to mine, that it's safer for me because I know chances are they're not a Nazi, they're not a neo-Nazi, that they're not whatever, go down the list of things that I think is dangerous towards me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Right. So, yeah. I mean, I, I want to therefore be around people with similar opinions </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:36]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> and Right. And yet you even, you'll, you'll have issues with people who are kind of soundly. I, I suppose, in the middle. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I think we've gotten to a place where if you are in the middle, for me, it's a deal breaker. I can't handle it in the middle.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:52]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Yeah, in the middle is a deal breaker for me because like yeah, in the middle. Well, so you can't decide if this Nazi is good or </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:01]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> not. Well, maybe you've decided they're not good and you're not voting for them, but you're still a moderate. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> But for me, that's a life and death issue. Right. So if you're in the middle about that, you're gonna be in the middle about possibly saving or destroying my life.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:17]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I'm </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:17]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> just, I'm just talking about a moderate now I'm not talking about someone who's like tilting one way or the other. I'm just talking about somebody who, I don't know, maybe they have a, a jumble of kind of left wing and right wing kind of thoughts and beliefs. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I think I understand what you're saying, but what I'm saying is if I feel so threatened, That if this person isn't on board with me a hundred percent, then I don't want that person in my circle.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:44]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And there you go. And that's how we tend to arrange ourselves in social groups. Right, right. Yeah. That's And, and in point of fact, and there you go. That's another thing he found in like 1954, he's doing this stuff and, you know, we haven't evolved really from here at all, but he figured out, I mean, here here's the word, divergent.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:05]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> If you're too divergent, he discovered, that's it. You're out, you're out of the group. Or people in that group won't even want to talk to you, which is exactly what you're describing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:16]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Hmm. It happens in business too. At the office. I was divergent. Mm-hmm. and asked to leave. It seemed like a lot . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:25]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And there you go. And, and there are ways of being convergent.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:29]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> What's that? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:29]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Well, like I remember one of the things that. Made people think very well of me is when I joined the football pool at work, particularly because I didn't do as well as maybe I should have, I was below average in it, which made everybody feel good, who was part of that social group, except for me, of course, cuz I sucked.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:48]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> But hey,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> do you see a, do you personally think that there's a way out of </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:55]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> this? This is how we're wired and we just need to understand that this is, this is where we are. But where, where the problem that I was coming to it from is where we kind of started, which is where we have this nasty habit of, let's say, finding an influencer because they make funny videos or they say things that I agree with and comparing ourselves to this person who's living this carefully curated perfect Facebook life.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:23]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> You know what that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> reminds me? Can I interrupt or do you Yeah, feel free. Okay. So this reminds me of the person that you turned me onto years ago. Guy Kawasaki. Ah, guy. Guy Kawasaki. And this one book that you shared with me way back then, one of his books was, um, the Art of the Start. Yep. Is that what what it was?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Mm-hmm. . And it was when the minis were coming in, remember those minis, the cars, they, they redid the mini. Like the old school minis and then everyone started driving the minis and he was saying, take a good look at who's driving these minis, because it seemed like such a young car. A young hip car that you know, like the kids would buy it, but he's like, take a look at who's driving the minis, guaranted</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:17]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> in almost all the cases, the driver will be a white-haired person, meaning an old person. And he was right as soon as I read that and I looked, every owner of a mini that I saw had white, gray hair, right? And what he was saying was that, advertisers sell down. They sell youth, right? So, They want something to sell to the older crowd,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:46]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> they make it seem like it's being sold to the kids. So and so. It's true. And, and what you were pointing out was, well, the kids can't afford that car.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:59]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Right. Absolutely not.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Well, back then, the kids, kids couldn't afford it. Right? Right. And so it kind of makes me think of that in that these influencers that we see that seem like they're so like us, if you look, they're living in huge, beautiful mansions, like really expensive houses.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:20]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Right? But you gotta pay attention and you have to be consciously, objectively meaning, uh, logically thinking it through versus emotionally. And they're tugging at your emotions all the time. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:31]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Yeah. But once you look at it, you can't ever unlook, you can't ever turn back from it. It. Years ago when we really took a look at the shows we were watching on TV or movies, you know, like, uh, remember the show Friends?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:47]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Nobody could afford that kind of apartment in New York City. And then as soon as one person mentioned it, everybody's like, Oh my God. That's right. No how in the world and yeah, in the show they said whatever was handed down because of her grandmother, but their lifestyle. But you look at all their movies, when you look at movies in general, they're always living in this beautiful, huge place, even when they're dirt poor and just, you know, it makes you relate, but at the same time, you're striving to be this and it's, it's.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It kind of leaves you feeling sad and stuck that you're never going to achieve it. It's like you're never going, ugh. It's like, do you mentioned this to me, Matt years ago, that the dream that it's impossible. Okay, I'm gonna say it wrong, Matt, you have to help me out, but like it's impossible to actually live the dream.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:47]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Like how they say, oh, you know, um, you, you can, you can build anything you want in America. You can do anything you want. You can achieve any kind of status you want. But truly is that the case? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:02]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Well, let's, let's be super careful there. Okay. No, but do you remember the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> conversation? I, I, could you replay it?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Cause I don't remember the exact words. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:11]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I said the American dream, by and large is unattainable. That's what I said. Yeah. However, This is the fun part, and this is why people still pursue it. It's not, completely impossible. It's not 0.0% impossible. It's very, very difficult to land it. And the pictures that were fed, which were things, you know, say postwar, boom.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:38]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Post World War ii. Post World War ii, boom. Yes. The postwar boom. Cause we're at war times and all the rest of it. Yeah. Um, this would've been 1940s, late 1940s, 1950s, early 1960s. You know, you could get a job in a factory and you could afford a multiple bedroom suburban </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:58]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> house. You could afford a washing machine.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> You could afford a car. Everybody was into, it was around the world. I remember Canada, we watched this other documentary on food and how Canada was pretty much the same way. Like everybody during the World War II era, were rationing everything, food. Mm-hmm. like mm-hmm. like you, you could only eat certain things.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> You could only wear certain things. Everything was rationed. Right. And then all of a sudden that fear was lifted and people were more liberated and then they started celebrating. They could eat whatever they want. They started eating lots of meat, which they couldn't before. They had more luxuries. Yes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:44]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And so more of, more and more of that kept happening. And then from my perspective, I feel like it's when you are starving if you are hungry, if you are left to not have something for a long time or for a time that is very influential on your spirit, you can't ever really get over that. So I think that explains the 1980s and nineties.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:09]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> The, the excess. The excess right. The access to the access. You know, they, it wasn't enough. Big is never big enough. Nope. Big enough is never big. Right. It was you. You couldn't get enough. It's like when you watch an animal that's been starving and it gets food and it keeps eating and eating and eating and it'll eat itself to death sometimes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:34]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Yes. And I feel like that's what our society, especially in their, in the United States, kind of, that's what happened. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:41]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Right. And that's. Kind of the conversation we were having at that point was, you know, the, the classic American dream story is not impossible, but it's pretty flippin' difficult and I think it's kind of stayed there to this point because what you, yeah, what you have is you have, you know, the 0.0001% is just getting richer and richer and richer and you know, if I'm working</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:07]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> and my spouse is working full time, you know, maybe we're not making ends meet, maybe we're just barely making ends meet. Things start to get super tricky there. And so that's really, that's really the danger. And that's kind of my central point from where I started on this thing is as soon as we start comparing ourselves to a, to a Kardashian or to a, uh, one of these influencers who doesn't have to work for a living because they've already, you know, they have sponsors and they have, I mean, work for a living.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:37]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> A misnomer cuz they're working pretty gosh darn hard to get their influencers and get their free product and get their, you know, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. You know, maybe they got lucky, maybe not. Who knows? And </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:50]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> maybe, maybe they had, um, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:51]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> connections. Maybe they had connections. Maybe they had family money</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:54]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> they're not talking about. Maybe, maybe, maybe, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:56]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> maybe they had to have something to achieve the level of success that they have. And there you go. You feel like, You too can do this </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:04]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> and you can't. Well, are you now speaking as somebody's trying to keep them down or trying to keep yourself down or self-limiting or a million other things.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:12]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And that also feeds into this whole social mm-hmm. comparison theory, which is tricky. Yeah. Because I feel separate then because you want to be above average and maybe, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> well, I too would like to get out of the slump financially that I'm in. Right. You know, I would like to succeed in my career, which I've been struggling at, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:31]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> For my entire life, it feels like, you know, and I see these guys doing it and they're like, and then, you know, then they sell packages. Like, you too can do it. Just follow me or go to my workshops and pay this amount and, and I will show you how. And they can't. They don't because they don't.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It's like recipes. Recipes that are given to you by, I don't know, very influential bakers or chefs out there. They'll never give you the exact recipe, so you can never achieve exactly what they're doing. Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:08]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> and, and here's the fun part, if we take this baking analogy one more step further, cuz there's a zen saying that you can't step in the same river at the same spot ever.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:16]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> because the water's always flowing. But taking the recipe example, you don't have their oven, you don't have their altitude, you don't have this precise, Brand of flour. You don't have these fresh fruits that were grown in this area. You don't, and it's the same way I think, with a lot of people who would tell you, well, you can replicate my success.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:37]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Well, the world changes every single day. Mm-hmm. and just because something worked three months ago, or six months ago or a year ago, doesn't mean it's gonna work today. And it just doesn't. And so you, that's why you have. If you're looking at business, and this is a terrible, well, this is a challenging place to get business advice, as it were, but you have to be limber.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:01]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And that's really, that's really the key. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:03]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And I think when I realized years ago, and I've forgotten lately and I just realized it, listening to you, years ago, I told myself, stop looking at fashion magazines . Stop looking at other photographers, just do your own thing. There you go. And I felt so happy when I did that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I couldn't care less about anybody else and what anyone else was doing. And I knew that the work that I was doing was coming from my own spirit and whatever was guiding me. And there you go, around me. That was happening. Na was happening naturally. And no matter what anyone said about my work, I was confident.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:39]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Because it came from my heart and I knew that it came from my own </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:44]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> source. Right, right. And honestly, my biggest takeaway from this whole thing was we kind of can't help comparing ourselves to people. We just kind of can't help it. But we need to make sure to compare ourselves both up as well as down. So the people we're more fortunate than, and the people we're less fortunate than to kind of keep ourselves in balance.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:09]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Cuz if we spend too much time looking either up or down, which is a terrible way of putting things and makes people feel uncomfortable. But if we constantly are comparing ourselves to people who are quote unquote light years above us. We're gonna feel terrible if we keep comparing ourselves only to people who are light years below us</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:27]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> whatever that means to you or doesn't mean to you, ultimately, that's still not gonna be very fulfilling for us. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Well, what if you do neither one and just keep focusing on your own self? Well, is that too? And there you go. But is that too, um, what's the word, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:40]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> narcissistic?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:41]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> No. Oh my god. I was not gonna say that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> No, I was gonna say, is that too introverted? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:49]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Oh, well, and that's fair too. A narcissist is an introvert on some level. Cause they're always, they're always looking inward at themselves. Oh my God. But anyways, um, no I wouldn't. But I would say that, you know, you are one of the rare breed who can do that. I think most people cannot.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:04]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> We can't help but compare ourselves to others. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:07]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Well, I've been pretty miserable lately cuz I have been comparing myself to others. and there you go. But I'm gonna go back. I'm, I'm going back to just doing my own thing. I, I started that actually a couple weeks ago.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:18]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Fair enough. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> But it's hard to get back to that because it's so hard</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:22]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> not to, it's, it's, it's hard to stop looking where you were looking. It's hard to stop looking at the social media. It's, it's hard because it's everywhere now. And, and that's just it. Even if you get off social media, it's still around </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:33]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> you. Right? So I think if you're currently finding glee at the misfortunes of others, cuz we're getting an interesting influx of that right now,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:45]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> check yourself. If you're feeling bad because you're looking at other people who are quote unquote, more fortunate than yourself, check yourself. Just, you know, try and figure out a balance in there somewhere of feeling just good about where you're at. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Yeah. And I think the key is to just be quiet and go out to nature.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:04]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And if you're not surrounded by nature, at night, looking up at the sky and just letting that take over you and turning off all that noise. Well, that was really good honey. Thanks. Let's continue the conversation and we'll talk to you in a few days. Take care. Again, thank you so much for listening.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:30]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Talk to you later. Be well. Bye.</span></span></p>
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     It's hard to measure yourself against other people in your peer group because peer groups are now infinitely huge and you make certain assumptions about who is and isn't in your peer group. People used to watch the Kardashians. How in the world can we relate to these people even though we live vastly different lives? What are the consequences of comparing ourselves to others?
     George Bush buys socks from Walmart and that look at how he's one of us makes him relatable. It was such an opportunistic, and it depends on which side of the political spectrum you live on, and how you react to that. But that was publicity. It was great publicity. Exactly. But that makes him relatable. And so what we're seeing in this day and age of the influencer, et cetera, et cetera, these people want to be relatable to the maximum number of people possible. And so they can afford and can curate the experience of seeing them, of, quote-unquote being with them in a very relatable way. And so you start to, we can't help it. It's kind of like we're wired to compare ourselves to these people and you can't compare yourselves to them. But we do, but we can't help it. And so this is why sometimes we get excited when we view one of these like pop celebrities as being bad. But that makes us quote-unquote "feel better about ourselves" because we can't help but compare ourselves to others in our peer groups. And also, and this is a really messed up part, is, once we've decided who's in our peer group, we will literally go out of our way to keep them in our peer group to keep them down.
 
The Social Comparison Theory
[00:00:00] FAWN: Welcome back everybody. Hello. Hello. How are you?
[00:00:04] MATT: Hello everyone. 
[00:00:05] FAWN: What are you up to? Hello Martin. Hello, Wendy. Hello, everyone. Everybody, everybody. Everybody around the world. Hello, France. Hello around the world. Matt, you've been looking into something. I have
[00:00:23] MATT: Right. It's the darnest thing. You go shooting down a rabbit hole, somebody puts three words together and all of a sudden, 
[00:00:28] FAWN: bam. How did it happen? How did you come across this thing?
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Have you ever had that person, that friend that was the worst? Like, you wish you had never, ever met this person? There may be people out there that are your enemy, that could do things to you that will disrupt and destroy what seems like everything including your sense of hope. Because of their actions and because of the situation that you were interlaced with, they could also be the spark and the motivation needed to get to the next level to get us to where our (the hero's) destiny lives, finding the motivation to go back to our true, powerful self. <br /><br /> <br /><br />Today, we discuss a key perspective needed to recover from the betrayal of a very, very bad friend. When the worst friend happens, it may feel like our entire life is shaken, even our physical body can shake like we're going through an ice storm. Have you ever gone through a breakup and it just, feels gross? You feel so exposed and downright shaky on all levels even physically I shake remembering some instances. It feels like all is lost and everything, quote unquote metaphorically speaking is burned down; everything is gone. Everything. We're stripped. Our life surroundings feel stripped. I think when this happens, it allows for a certain sparseness in order for us to find something that was buried, that was actually us; our sparkling us, that somehow got completely lost and buried. And because that “us” started to fade away, perhaps that's why the very, very, very, very bad friends came along.<br /><br />So in a way, these people were actually our friends who decided to step in and act so ugly for us to be, for it to be the catalyst situation for us to get back to finding who we were at our greatest original form. It's like spiritual house cleaning. And when everything is gone, we're going to find our true self that was there all along, and that's why this very, very, very, very bad friend is our great friend. I'm not saying we're gonna hang out with them and go to tea with them and have pajama parties. I'm saying that it was a good thing. It was a good thing. They acted so ugly. They were selfless enough to come in and be such an ugly force, for us to get back on track.<br /><br />Beyond devastation, beyond the level of betrayal, we can and will find our way back to perfect selves.</strong></span></span></p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>The Best Worst Friend</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Hi everybody. Welcome back. Hi. Hello. This episode is for when you think that all is lost. That everything is destroyed. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Oh</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:13]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> dear. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It's all bad and everything has burned to the ground. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:21]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Wicked. </span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[Have you ever had that person, that friend that was the worst? Like, you wish you had never, ever met this person? There may be people out there that are your enemy, that could do things to you that will disrupt and destroy what seems like everything including your sense of hope. Because of their actions and because of the situation that you were interlaced with, they could also be the spark and the motivation needed to get to the next level to get us to where our (the hero's) destiny lives, finding the motivation to go back to our true, powerful self.  Today, we discuss a key perspective needed to recover from the betrayal of a very, very bad friend. When the worst friend happens, it may feel like our entire life is shaken, even our physical body can shake like we're going through an ice storm. Have you ever gone through a breakup and it just, feels gross? You feel so exposed and downright shaky on all levels even physically I shake remembering some instances. It feels like all is lost and everything, quote unquote metaphorically speaking is burned down; everything is gone. Everything. We're stripped. Our life surroundings feel stripped. I think when this happens, it allows for a certain sparseness in order for us to find something that was buried, that was actually us; our sparkling us, that somehow got completely lost and buried. And because that “us” started to fade away, perhaps that's why the very, very, very, very bad friends came along.So in a way, these people were actually our friends who decided to step in and act so ugly for us to be, for it to be the catalyst situation for us to get back to finding who we were at our greatest original form. It's like spiritual house cleaning. And when everything is gone, we're going to find our true self that was there all along, and that's why this very, very, very, very bad friend is our great friend. I'm not saying we're gonna hang out with them and go to tea with them and have pajama parties. I'm saying that it was a good thing. It was a good thing. They acted so ugly. They were selfless enough to come in and be such an ugly force, for us to get back on track.Beyond devastation, beyond the level of betrayal, we can and will find our way back to perfect selves.
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The Best Worst Friend
[00:00:00] FAWN: Hi everybody. Welcome back. Hi. Hello. This episode is for when you think that all is lost. That everything is destroyed. 
[00:00:13] FAWN: Oh
[00:00:13] MATT: dear. 
[00:00:13] FAWN: It's all bad and everything has burned to the ground. 
[00:00:21] MATT: Wicked. 
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Have you ever had that person, that friend that was the worst? Like, you wish you had never, ever met this person? There may be people out there that are your enemy, that could do things to you that will disrupt and destroy what seems like everything including your sense of hope. Because of their actions and because of the situation that you were interlaced with, they could also be the spark and the motivation needed to get to the next level to get us to where our (the hero's) destiny lives, finding the motivation to go back to our true, powerful self. <br /><br /> <br /><br />Today, we discuss a key perspective needed to recover from the betrayal of a very, very bad friend. When the worst friend happens, it may feel like our entire life is shaken, even our physical body can shake like we're going through an ice storm. Have you ever gone through a breakup and it just, feels gross? You feel so exposed and downright shaky on all levels even physically I shake remembering some instances. It feels like all is lost and everything, quote unquote metaphorically speaking is burned down; everything is gone. Everything. We're stripped. Our life surroundings feel stripped. I think when this happens, it allows for a certain sparseness in order for us to find something that was buried, that was actually us; our sparkling us, that somehow got completely lost and buried. And because that “us” started to fade away, perhaps that's why the very, very, very, very bad friends came along.<br /><br />So in a way, these people were actually our friends who decided to step in and act so ugly for us to be, for it to be the catalyst situation for us to get back to finding who we were at our greatest original form. It's like spiritual house cleaning. And when everything is gone, we're going to find our true self that was there all along, and that's why this very, very, very, very bad friend is our great friend. I'm not saying we're gonna hang out with them and go to tea with them and have pajama parties. I'm saying that it was a good thing. It was a good thing. They acted so ugly. They were selfless enough to come in and be such an ugly force, for us to get back on track.<br /><br />Beyond devastation, beyond the level of betrayal, we can and will find our way back to perfect selves.</strong></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Hi everybody. Welcome back. Hi. Hello. This episode is for when you think that all is lost. That everything is destroyed. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Oh</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:13]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> dear. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It's all bad and everything has burned to the ground. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:21]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Wicked. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:22]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> This episode is about the very worst friend, kind of like your best friend, but your worst friend.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> That's our daughter singing in the background. They're making breakfast and running around, so you're gonna hear a lot of noise. . The very worst friend. How do I start this man? How did I explain it to you the other day? There's something I've been thinking about lately a lot more for some reason, and I know the reason actually.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:52]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Years and years ago in the photography industry, I, I had a group of friends and it's a small world and the photography community for me was not a very kind one. It was incredibly competitive and people were, people were not the kindest, I gotta tell you. So I left a lot of those friends behind, and I'm using the word friends, very friendly, , very friendly way.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:22]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> You left that peer group behind maybe is the right way to, it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:25]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> wasn't even a peer group. They wouldn't even allow me in their group. I, it, it they were not my peers. Well, that's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:31]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> a whole other subject that I'd like to cover at </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">some </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> point. Yeah, definitely. But go ahead. What do you mean by that? Well, it's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:37]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> just</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:41]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> don't wanna, seriously, I don't wanna get into it right now, but everybody likes to feel that they're above average inside of any peer group right. And, lacking objective measures, they go subjective. But then there's always those people who wanna maintain their above average status. And so you need people who they consider below average.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:01]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> It's a weird world, but that's social comparison theory in, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:05]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> let's not talk about that right now. We'll talk about that next episode maybe, but, um, I don't know. Is it the same as when people, especially in Hollywood, when I was there, Hollywood, the, this thing was always said, cuz I, I was in the, in industry, in and out, you know, my head down trying to survive, trying to, like, trying to make it, you know mm-hmm.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:31]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> before I mm-hmm. , forget it. I was like nuts to this, I'm out. Bye. And I, and I just did it on my. Far, far away from la. And so, um, is it the same as like constantly? What I heard was if you are, if you're nice, you're perceived as weak. That's what they would say. Right? And that's how they acted.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> People were very mean. And a few years ago, I ran into a crowd from the industry that I had just met, but they were from Europe, and they were like, Fawn, it's totally changed. It's not like that anymore. That's like old school. I'm like, really? Because just, just, just the other night I was looking at some movies that were on Amazon.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And I saw one of my enemies, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:27]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> oh, see, I'm really glad I don't run into any of my enemies out there in the world, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> but like, I'm like, okay, so now this person has a movie that they did, and it took me a while because I, I was like, okay, I, I don't wanna watch it because I want nothing to do with this person.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:46]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Just the, the name of this person triggers me. I'm like, well, I obviously have a charge, right? So I wanna get rid of that. So let, let me just be objective. What do you mean? Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:58]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> no, no, no, go ahead. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:59]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Why are you making </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:59]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> that noise? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:00]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Just cause I generally, um, go through avoidance, but that's me. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:05]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Yeah, you avoid and then things happen and you get sick.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I, when things come up, I'm like, let me get this outta my spirit, outta my body. It doesn't belong with me. I gotta clear it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:16]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:16]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So I sat there and I was like, all right. I bet you I was thinking to myself, I bet you Fawn, that this movie will be all about her , </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:29]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> even though it's supposed to be a documentary on the state of the industry or some subject, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:33]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> No, it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> was the state of the world. Oh, state of the whole world. Well, no, the culture, not even the world. They're not. Please like, so, so what's the word? Narcissistic and like self-absorbed please. You know, like so hard trying to be edgy. You know? They love that word, edgy. They, everyone would, you had to be edgy and I wasn't edgy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:57]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> You know, I was all about love and my pictures were just about the beauty of humanity. And so no, I didn't photograph edgy stuff. I could have, I was definitely in those situations. That's not where I choose to focus. Anyway, I'm getting off the subject, sorry. But I was like, I bet you it'll be about her. But anyway, so I, I turned, I, I started to play the movie and I didn't, I couldn't even watch the whole thing, but sure enough, the first 30 minutes all about her, it was like, oh my God, nothing has changed after all these years.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> it's the same mess. It's the same freight </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:35]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> train. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:36]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Well, it, it revolves around my theory that, you know, it really takes a catastrophic event to, to cause fundamental shifts in people. And that rarely happens because we get so much reinforcement in doing things the way we've always done things. And then you run into being Blockbuster video and you don't know what to do.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:53]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:53]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> speaking of reinforcement, theyre reinforced because they're surrounded by a bunch of people, and that's how they act and that's the way to be and fine, that's their way. I want nothing to do with it. Right? Which is obviously why I'm here and they're there, , you know? And sometimes I just feel like, wow, I have totally veered off course because I'm not at this status level.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:17]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And I'm like, no, that's not the status level I ever wanted it. It's gross. It's gross how they, to me it's gross how they operate. So I want nothing to do with it. I'm just gonna do it my way. And unfortunately, my way is alone. Like this person totally did me dirt. Mm-hmm. , they did me dirt . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:39]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Oh dear. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:39]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And I was trying to be kind and I was trying to be low key.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:42]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Mm-hmm. , but like I wasn't about to have them disrespect me, so I quietly walked away one day when they had me wait in their house for. Like close to three hours. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:54]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Well, I'm sure they were really busy with things other than just talking to random people on the phone. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:58]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> They were talking to like quote unquote famous, influential people </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:03]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> and Right, right, right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:04]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Definition more important than you, and I wanna make </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:06]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> sure you know that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:07]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Yeah, exactly. And I was there. I don't remember. It was a friend had set up a meeting for us, for us to become like acquaintances. Mm-hmm. in the industry and perhaps, I don't know, this other friend thought maybe I could assist her on something.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I don't know. It was just a meet, like a meeting and three hours. I was sitting there totally ignored by her. And she like goes about her day and she's like, She barely said two words to me, so close to hour three. I was like, I'm outta here. Right? So I quietly, like I just said, okay, bye, thank you. Right? And I left.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:44]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And then I thought, you know, she would get it like, wow, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:48]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I totally dissed this person. And who totally was waiting for me for, oh my goodness, it's been three hours. I didn't realize. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:55]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So I, when I got back to my studio mm-hmm. , I get a call. The friend who set this up and she's like, what did you do? She said, you were a psycho.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> She called me a psycho. I'm like, wow. Wow. So anyway, is it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:12]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> because you didn't get upset because you probably sat there reasonably bored, waiting sometimes for </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:18]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> the meeting? We've talked about this, Matt. Sometimes when you do someone wrong when someone does something wrong. Right. They'll make any excuse to justify their behavior.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:28]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Yes. So yeah, I'm, I was "crazy", I was whatever, "psycho", whatever. Just because I decided to quietly say, well, thank you. I'm gonna leave. It's been three hours now. I'm gonna leave now. Bye bye. Like, I'm sorry you're this famous person. I don't care. Right. You know what I mean? My time is my life. My life is valuable also.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Anyway, I didn't say any of that. I just quietly bowed out, you know? Mm-hmm. . Anyway, so a few months later I was applying to this grant, and I was turned down in such a way, I don't remember the words, Matt, but it was so ugly. I'm like, wow, why aren't they just turning me down? Why are they attacking my character?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Guess who was on the committee to let people in? She was. Anyway. Anyway, this is just me still venting about the other night. Sorry, but, what I'm trying to say is that there are people out there that are your enemy. That will do things to you that will disrupt everything. That will destroy everything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:36]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Not only things that you've built in your life, but they destroy your sense of hope. Because of their actions and because of the situation that you were interlaced with, they are the spark that feels like destroys everything. Mm-hmm. destroys your spirit destroys your, whatever you were working on physically.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:56]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Have you ever had that person, that friend that was the worst? Like, you're like, oh my goodness, like you wish you had never, ever met this person. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:10]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Okay. Not that far, but close. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So the thing that I've learned that I, that I wanna talk about today briefly, and, and that's it. I'm so sorry to talk about the photography thing for so long.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:22]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> But like, for example, for me, those best friends were the yoga bitches that I always talk about. They, except for our kids, they really hurt our kids. There because they're way younger. It, it, it took them, they're still trying to recover from it, right? From their betrayal, the betrayal of the very, very bad friend, and there were multiple of them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:50]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It was a group. When that happens, your entire life, is shaken, even your physical body. Have you ever gone through a breakup and it's just, it feels gross? You feel so exposed and downright shaky on all levels, like even physically I shake. Does that happen </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> to you, Matt? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:12]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Okay. For me it's a little different.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:14]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Um, when I, when I were lad I played soccer and once or twice I got involved, I think it was only once. Thank goodness where I got the air knocked outta. Soccer ball hit me in the stomach, or who knows what, right? Mm-hmm. , when you get the air knocked outta you, you can't breathe. You're breathing, but it feels like you can't breathe.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:32]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> It feels like you're never gonna catch your breath. You're lying down on the ground. You're surrounded by people who are looking at you like, oh my goodness, what's happening? And, and you eventually catch your breath and life goes on, right? Mm-hmm. . That's how I feel. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:46]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Wow.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:47]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I feel like I can't breathe, and I think it's because I got the air knocked outta me when </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:51]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I were lad.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:53]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Wow. It's, it's really a frightening thing. Yeah. And yet, you know, as long as you're breathing, you're okay, but it just feels like you just can't catch. And it's like, that's, that's ridiculous. If you've never had it happen to you, it doesn't make any sense. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:07]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So you've had that also happen on a spiritual sense.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:10]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> That's how it feels when Yeah, something like that happens. It feels like I just can't catch my breath. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:16]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I'm sorry, honey </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:18]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> is what it is . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:20]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Well, when this happens, this is what I've learned. When all is lost mm-hmm. , I feel like because all is lost and everything, quote unquote metaphorically speaking is burned down, everything is gone.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:36]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Mm-hmm. , everything. Your stripped. Your life surroundings feel stripped. I think when that happens, it allows for a certain sparseness, for you to find something that was buried, that was actually you; you're sparkling you, right? That somehow got completely lost and buried right? And because that started to fade away, perhaps that's why, one tends to attract these other very, very, very, very bad friends.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So in a way, speaking, like if you're gonna step away from where you are and step further away and further away, and just look at the planet from outer space and everything is really small, and then you look at it like maybe on an angelic realm, these people were actually your best friends who decided to step in and say, you know what, I'm gonna come in and act so ugly</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:38]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> for you to be; for it to be like the catalyst situation for you to get back to finding who you were. Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:46]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Well, it's who you are. It's, it's like spiritual house cleaning. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Exactly. Oh my God. Yeah. That's totally it. So you know when everything is gone, you're going to find your true self that was there all along, and that's why this very, very, very, very bad friend</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:07]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> is your best friend. I'm not saying you're gonna hang out with them and go to tea with them and have pajama parties. I'm saying that it was a good thing. It was a good thing. They acted so ugly. They were selfless enough to come in and be such an ugly force, for you to get back on track. So for me, like with the yoga crew mm-hmm.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:31]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> when all that happened, oh my God, it, it was devastation. I couldn't believe the level of betrayal, right? And the level of stupidity, who that was happening, ignorance, all of that. And then little by little throughout the quiet, I discovered little things like my aviator glasses. My aviator sunglasses, little sparks of who I was way back from the Santa Monica days.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Mm-hmm. . And it started to come back. Right. And I'm like, and I thought it was just an inner thing. And then what also came back was that sense of power that I had inside of me, that like supremely powerful Fawn. That supremely powerful you getting back to remembering who that was; the" vibrant, nothing can get you down,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> you're gonna make it, you're an amazing force." That, that for me was lost before I met these people. Mm-hmm. . And I feel like I met them for me to get angry enough in a way to find myself again. And I thought it was just me and I thought it was just on the inside, but it took a friend who knows my Santa Monica days.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> She came to visit us and she looked at me as we were walking to the car one day. She's like, oh my God, Santa Monica is back. I'm like, oh, she's looking at my aviators, , or like, just the way I was strutting, you know, just my walk. My walk was different. Mm-hmm. , my walk was back. My, my power was back. The martial artsy, like inner vibe, circle was back.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I gotta thank the very, very bad friend. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Multiple. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:24]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I totally get it. I wouldn't </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:26]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> quantify them as a friend. I'd more like say that they were a teacher here to give you a lesson, as it were. And I know there was a long relationship before that, but the end of the friendship was the lesson. . Yeah. And I had something very similar.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:40]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And this was, this was, this was high school. I was, you know, I was 15. Um, I literally, this was my best friend. We had been best friends for a long time. We had a, we had a Kool-Aid stand together. My goodness. He lived in the same housing track, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Um, I used to, yeah.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:01]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> underage. I used to, I used to be one of those annoying people who would hang real estate signs on people's doors. You did? Yes. You know, the little flyers to say, Hey, do such and such. I gotta, you know, I got paid better than minimum wage. But, and really, but he and I worked at that. It was, it was his gig and he cut me in on it and everything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:21]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And when that friendship burned to the ground, I burned it to the ground, first of all, cuz I got fed up with stuff. Mm-hmm. . So it was a matter of taking back, you know, my own sense of self as you described. You know, I lost all of that, but I didn't feel like a loss because it was just like I got rid of things that weren't serving me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:43]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Mm-hmm. , which is wholly different. And then later I had a later experience where something similar happened. In that instance it was actually a different focus. I didn't feel like I burned everything down, it felt like all of a sudden I had a lot of free time and I started saying, okay, I'm gonna focus on the things I excel at and I'm gonna pick up stuff that I don't know how to do that I've always wanted to.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:06]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And that's when I, stuff like learned how to hit a ball with a bat cuz I didn't know how to do that , which is really funny, but I didn't, and I, that was always something I wanted to be reasonably competent at. And I got reasonably competent. Now, I haven't done it forever, but that's another </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:23]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> story. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> But that's your, one of your go-tos is going to the batting </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:26]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> cages.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:26]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> That's just it. There's a certain piece to that as far as what works for me. Yeah, and that's also when I picked up disc golf and that's also blah, blah, blah, blah. A lot of the things that I do that I enjoy, stem from, losing sight of this teacher. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:42]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It goes back to, once again, the world is a small town</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> and everybody's your friend, right? And you know, the girls used to like saying, that's not our friend. I'm like, but it is. And you just said they're not. You wouldn't, you wouldn't, you wouldn't call them your friend, but they are your friends. Because if you look at it on a level of like an Akashic level, you know, a level of, um, spirit that before you're a person, before you're here as a human being, walking planet earth. We've talked about this, like for years on our podcast, I always say even the person that you walk past on a city sidewalk, that that's a meeting that was planned. Everything is planned. Everything is a meeting perfectly timed. And I think that these ugly, horrible, horrible people,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:39]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> there's a contract and yeah, it's on a soul level, this person chose to be the hated character, the villain of a movie, and in a way that's pretty noble. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:55]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Right. Well, the villain in a movie, I think via John Campbell's kind of thought about the whole thing, forces our hero to really embrace their destiny and really, bring everything to full focus.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:09]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> You know, uh, typically in a martial arts movie, it's when they start training, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Mm-hmm. and getting really good, really, you know, able to quote unquote, defeat </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:19]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> this enemy. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> That's when you want to bowl. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:23]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Oh my goodness. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Do you remember that movie with Jean Claude Van Damme Kickboxer? Oh, have you ever watched that movie, "Kickboxer"</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:29]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> maybe they changed it. They </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:31]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> probably have, God knows I have mocked it often enough. But the, the antagonist name was Tong Po. And our hero, Jean-Claude Van Dam is like, I want to, the line is I want Tong Po because he wants to battle him. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> He wants to fight. Fight. He killed his brother or something, right? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:48]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I don't remember.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:48]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> He mamed</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:49]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> his brother. Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:49]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Like paralyzed. But anyway, right. That's right. . But yeah, on the DVD DVDs. Remember those? Um, the, what? The translations I was, I was running the subtitles and the subtitle came across. I want to bowl . Like to go bowling? To go bowling. Oh dear. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Oh dear. But that's the, I wanna go bowling moment.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:09]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Right, right. When you get to that level, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:12]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> when you finally realized he finally got all the motivation he needed to get to the next level to get to where the hero's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:18]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> destiny. Yeah, and that's basically it. Finding the motivation to go back to your true, powerful self. And that's it. That's the very, very, very, very bad friend.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:30]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Thank you. And as, I don't know </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:34]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> if I want to thank him, but it certainly was a growing moment. Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:37]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> You, you have to be thankful for it. You get to a point where you're like, thank you, thank you, cuz I never have to see you again. Hopefully, or, and also thank you because I'm in a better place now. I'm, I'm free and clear of all the debris, all the garbage.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:55]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Thank </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:55]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> you. I would say thank you for the lesson. I wouldn't say thank you to the person, . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Okay. You have to work on it, Matt. No way, man. You're still holding onto some stuff. . All right, friends, that's it. We'll talk to you in just a few days. We love you so much. Thank you for listening. We'll talk to you in a few days again.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Bye. Be well. Bye.</span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[Have you ever had that person, that friend that was the worst? Like, you wish you had never, ever met this person? There may be people out there that are your enemy, that could do things to you that will disrupt and destroy what seems like everything including your sense of hope. Because of their actions and because of the situation that you were interlaced with, they could also be the spark and the motivation needed to get to the next level to get us to where our (the hero's) destiny lives, finding the motivation to go back to our true, powerful self.  Today, we discuss a key perspective needed to recover from the betrayal of a very, very bad friend. When the worst friend happens, it may feel like our entire life is shaken, even our physical body can shake like we're going through an ice storm. Have you ever gone through a breakup and it just, feels gross? You feel so exposed and downright shaky on all levels even physically I shake remembering some instances. It feels like all is lost and everything, quote unquote metaphorically speaking is burned down; everything is gone. Everything. We're stripped. Our life surroundings feel stripped. I think when this happens, it allows for a certain sparseness in order for us to find something that was buried, that was actually us; our sparkling us, that somehow got completely lost and buried. And because that “us” started to fade away, perhaps that's why the very, very, very, very bad friends came along.So in a way, these people were actually our friends who decided to step in and act so ugly for us to be, for it to be the catalyst situation for us to get back to finding who we were at our greatest original form. It's like spiritual house cleaning. And when everything is gone, we're going to find our true self that was there all along, and that's why this very, very, very, very bad friend is our great friend. I'm not saying we're gonna hang out with them and go to tea with them and have pajama parties. I'm saying that it was a good thing. It was a good thing. They acted so ugly. They were selfless enough to come in and be such an ugly force, for us to get back on track.Beyond devastation, beyond the level of betrayal, we can and will find our way back to perfect selves.
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The Best Worst Friend
[00:00:00] FAWN: Hi everybody. Welcome back. Hi. Hello. This episode is for when you think that all is lost. That everything is destroyed. 
[00:00:13] FAWN: Oh
[00:00:13] MATT: dear. 
[00:00:13] FAWN: It's all bad and everything has burned to the ground. 
[00:00:21] MATT: Wicked. 
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">This week we go over the top 5 types of kindness and the top 5 places kindness can be displayed. </span></strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">It's said that one of the reasons why people stop and aren't kind is because kindness takes time (either they have no time or they perceive that they have no time). We think that kindness does not take time. Kindness has many ways. One way could be in the way you look at someone. Smiling, for example, has an art to it (the art of smiling is a thing that Fawn talks about all the time). We can all absolutely feel and see people smile. We can sense a genuine smile. When we are being completely in the moment, even if we're rushed, allows for some gentleness to occur for ourselves (within our little bubble). That feeling ripples out. That's a form of kindness.<br />Matt shows how kindness is interpreted; how people see expressions of kindness, through a study that was done in the UK by the University of Sussex. <br /><br />As Fawn and Matt discuss how people view kindness and add to it the perception of how time and opportunity as well as preconceived ideas play a role in kindness, Fawn makes the point that we all have our talents, that we all have our ways to provide kindness, and argues that there should not be a blanket way to be kind; that there are many, many infinite possibilities where kindness can show itself. We should never ever underestimate the power of a genuine smile.<br /><br /><br /> It's a brave act to be kind, because yes if you are expected kindness to be understood and </span><span style="color:#4d5156;"><span style="font-family:Roboto, arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">reciprocated</span></span></span><span style="font-size:small;"> immediately, you may get your feelings hurt. Being kind should be like lending someone money. Don't lend someone money and expect to get it back. If you lend it, just give it with the expectation that you'll never see it again. You're not being kind to get something in response. You're being kind to help somebody. When someone is hurting, they may lash out at you. They're in so much pain and that pain is just ricocheting off everywhere. And you may get hit by it. You have to kind of expect that and not let that injure you and keep going with your kindness and do your good deed.<br /><br />So why bother being kind? Why not just concentrate on me in mine? Humanity is one body. When one person is in pain, we all feel the pain. And if that person is ignored (their pain is ignored, their pain will spread out to the rest of society. So being kind is really being kind to others, is being kind to yourself. In our own house, if someone is in a bad mood and someone is crying and someone's upset, it affects the whole home. It's the same thing outside of the home. It's the same thing in our society. So that is why kindness is important. It's pretty simple. </span></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">We'd all much rather live in a world where everyone is kind than a world where everyone is not kind. And even if that's a world where we just try and help, everybody wants to live in a world where everybody's trying to help them, and that makes it easier for us to try and help everyone. This results in us having more energy. If you're constantly feeling like everything is, "you're on your own kid" as we hear all the time growing up in the United States, "pull yourself by your bootstraps." "You're on your own kid" at 18, you're out. When we hear all that stuff, it is disheartening. It is impossible and exhausting to do everything ourselves.<br /><br />The honest truth is there's no way we...</span></strong></span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This week we go over the top 5 types of kindness and the top 5 places kindness can be displayed. It's said that one of the reasons why people stop and aren't kind is because kindness takes time (either they have no time or they perceive that they have no time). We think that kindness does not take time. Kindness has many ways. One way could be in the way you look at someone. Smiling, for example, has an art to it (the art of smiling is a thing that Fawn talks about all the time). We can all absolutely feel and see people smile. We can sense a genuine smile. When we are being completely in the moment, even if we're rushed, allows for some gentleness to occur for ourselves (within our little bubble). That feeling ripples out. That's a form of kindness.Matt shows how kindness is interpreted; how people see expressions of kindness, through a study that was done in the UK by the University of Sussex. As Fawn and Matt discuss how people view kindness and add to it the perception of how time and opportunity as well as preconceived ideas play a role in kindness, Fawn makes the point that we all have our talents, that we all have our ways to provide kindness, and argues that there should not be a blanket way to be kind; that there are many, many infinite possibilities where kindness can show itself. We should never ever underestimate the power of a genuine smile. It's a brave act to be kind, because yes if you are expected kindness to be understood and reciprocated immediately, you may get your feelings hurt. Being kind should be like lending someone money. Don't lend someone money and expect to get it back. If you lend it, just give it with the expectation that you'll never see it again. You're not being kind to get something in response. You're being kind to help somebody. When someone is hurting, they may lash out at you. They're in so much pain and that pain is just ricocheting off everywhere. And you may get hit by it. You have to kind of expect that and not let that injure you and keep going with your kindness and do your good deed.So why bother being kind? Why not just concentrate on me in mine? Humanity is one body. When one person is in pain, we all feel the pain. And if that person is ignored (their pain is ignored, their pain will spread out to the rest of society. So being kind is really being kind to others, is being kind to yourself. In our own house, if someone is in a bad mood and someone is crying and someone's upset, it affects the whole home. It's the same thing outside of the home. It's the same thing in our society. So that is why kindness is important. It's pretty simple. 
We'd all much rather live in a world where everyone is kind than a world where everyone is not kind. And even if that's a world where we just try and help, everybody wants to live in a world where everybody's trying to help them, and that makes it easier for us to try and help everyone. This results in us having more energy. If you're constantly feeling like everything is, "you're on your own kid" as we hear all the time growing up in the United States, "pull yourself by your bootstraps." "You're on your own kid" at 18, you're out. When we hear all that stuff, it is disheartening. It is impossible and exhausting to do everything ourselves.The honest truth is there's no way we...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">This week we go over the top 5 types of kindness and the top 5 places kindness can be displayed. </span></strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">It's said that one of the reasons why people stop and aren't kind is because kindness takes time (either they have no time or they perceive that they have no time). We think that kindness does not take time. Kindness has many ways. One way could be in the way you look at someone. Smiling, for example, has an art to it (the art of smiling is a thing that Fawn talks about all the time). We can all absolutely feel and see people smile. We can sense a genuine smile. When we are being completely in the moment, even if we're rushed, allows for some gentleness to occur for ourselves (within our little bubble). That feeling ripples out. That's a form of kindness.<br />Matt shows how kindness is interpreted; how people see expressions of kindness, through a study that was done in the UK by the University of Sussex. <br /><br />As Fawn and Matt discuss how people view kindness and add to it the perception of how time and opportunity as well as preconceived ideas play a role in kindness, Fawn makes the point that we all have our talents, that we all have our ways to provide kindness, and argues that there should not be a blanket way to be kind; that there are many, many infinite possibilities where kindness can show itself. We should never ever underestimate the power of a genuine smile.<br /><br /><br /> It's a brave act to be kind, because yes if you are expected kindness to be understood and </span><span style="color:#4d5156;"><span style="font-family:Roboto, arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">reciprocated</span></span></span><span style="font-size:small;"> immediately, you may get your feelings hurt. Being kind should be like lending someone money. Don't lend someone money and expect to get it back. If you lend it, just give it with the expectation that you'll never see it again. You're not being kind to get something in response. You're being kind to help somebody. When someone is hurting, they may lash out at you. They're in so much pain and that pain is just ricocheting off everywhere. And you may get hit by it. You have to kind of expect that and not let that injure you and keep going with your kindness and do your good deed.<br /><br />So why bother being kind? Why not just concentrate on me in mine? Humanity is one body. When one person is in pain, we all feel the pain. And if that person is ignored (their pain is ignored, their pain will spread out to the rest of society. So being kind is really being kind to others, is being kind to yourself. In our own house, if someone is in a bad mood and someone is crying and someone's upset, it affects the whole home. It's the same thing outside of the home. It's the same thing in our society. So that is why kindness is important. It's pretty simple. </span></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">We'd all much rather live in a world where everyone is kind than a world where everyone is not kind. And even if that's a world where we just try and help, everybody wants to live in a world where everybody's trying to help them, and that makes it easier for us to try and help everyone. This results in us having more energy. If you're constantly feeling like everything is, "you're on your own kid" as we hear all the time growing up in the United States, "pull yourself by your bootstraps." "You're on your own kid" at 18, you're out. When we hear all that stuff, it is disheartening. It is impossible and exhausting to do everything ourselves.<br /><br />The honest truth is there's no way we would survive doing everything ourselves. Do you know how to invent electricity? What if we lost the art of knowing how to produce electricity or we lost the art of making glass? Look at all the things that are at our fingertips; that we take for granted that make our lives comfortable. We are dependent on one another. We need each other. We need to relearn the art of kindness because it's not just about performing certain acts that you feel like you're indebted to. It's not about obligation. It is about kindness. It's not about obligation. It's about making someone's life better. And if you think about it, kindness should be thought of in business because no matter what kind of business you're in, if a lawyer or a dentist or a shoemaker, it doesn't matter; you're there to make someone's life easier. Many businesses forget or neglect that they're there to improve someone's life. We are interlaced.</span></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>Kindness Rules - TRANSCRIPT</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Welcome back everybody. Hello? Hello. Hello. Matt just asked me if I was mad at him and I didn't </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> answer him </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:08]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> exactly. I think it's a valid question. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It totally is. The truth is, I feel annoyed at everything this morning and you are the center of it. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:18]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> But I've been nothing but lovely. I made </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:20]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> breakfast.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:22]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It's true.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It's true.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And I was thinking to myself, although it's not the topic for today, I was thinking to myself, what do you do when you're annoyed all the time by things, little, everything, even annoyed by the person you totally love, which is happening? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:39]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Who was delightful </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:43]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> nonetheless, I am so annoyed today.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:47]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I woke up that way, and I think it's because I need time for myself. I haven't been taking care of my own psyche. I haven't been able to take care of everything that I wanna take care of for a few months now. And, I'm tired. I woke up, I got ready, got all dolled up. And fell asleep on the couch, and I just woke up again.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:10]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So yeah, when you're annoyed, look inside and that's what I'm trying to do. So does that answer your question? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:20]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Yes. It is interesting though. Oh, I'm sorry. loud there. He just blew out my ear. I'm sorry. Uh, I do think it's interesting cuz it does tie into today's topic, which is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:31]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> kindness. Again, kudos to you cuz you're, you're going to lead today, today's conversation, and I know what you're gonna talk about.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:41]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And I wanna start off by something that really annoyed me. You're not gonna let me years ago with my point. I'm, I'm gonna do one of the things on your list, I just kind of looked over, I peeked at it. One of the things that you wanted to talk about, Helping other people, for example, with their bags and stuff.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:59]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And I don't wanna jump ahead and like make you start with that. I just wanna say, talk about being annoyed. I have something to say about that. So when you get to the part about the bags, I wanna say something. All right. All right. Go ahead Matt. Hi. Hello. Let's.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:17]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> See where I wanted to go, which now we've </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:20]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> segue. Aren't even gonna say hello to everyone. Hello. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:24]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Where we've segue. Oh, she hates it when I do that, folks. Oh, dear. Yes. Yes. Okay. I wanted to segue because one of the reasons why people stop and aren't kind is because kindness takes time. And they have no time or they perceive that they have no </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:41]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:41]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Kindness does not take time. Kindness is in the way you look at someone and you know, and also since, since people had to wear masks and stuff over the last few years, people say, oh, well you can't see people smile. You can absolutely feel and see people smile. If you can see their eyes, and I say, even if their face is covered, you can still sense a smile.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:03]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> as opposed to someone growling at you, . Oh dear. Not, not growling with a sound, but menacing. You know what I'm saying? You can sense it and it goes back to flirting. Do you know how to flirt with someone? Can you flirt with someone from across the room with just eye contact, tell them that you think that there's something special.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:30]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Yes you can. And that's how you flirt. And I think not just with flirting to find a mate to meet with. I think flirting should be understood. And it's an art to study because it's for all of us. It's how we communicate with our eyes. Go ahead, Matt. No, it's fine. Or we're reversing the rolls because I wanna disagree with every little thing you say.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:55]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Okay. But see how </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:56]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> you like it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:57]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Feel free to disagree with 60,000 people, who took a 30 minute survey across 140 countries and who said one of the things, limiting how kind they are is lack of time. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:08]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> So that's fine.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:09]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Well, that's why I would </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> like to talk about the Art of Friendship because it doesn't take time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:15]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> A lot of things don't take time. That is a lazy excuse to come up with, to not be kind. Right? Go ahead, give some examples. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:26]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Some examples of what </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:28]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> the of, of what takes time to be kind. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:31]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> If </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:31]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> you're in a rush, you're not perceiving and you're not taking in the moment, so it's hard for you to even perceive opportunities.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:42]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> You. That's when, like I said, today I was feeling, I am feeling very perturbed, but as soon as I realize it, I need to be kind, kind to myself and say, you know what? I need to rest and I need to be in the moment. And being completely in the moment, even if you're rushed, allows for some gentleness to occur for yourself and within your little bubble and that ripples out. And that's a form of kindness because you're more gentle.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:18]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So it, it doesn't take that much time to be kind. It's a vibe. It's a vibe and it's how you walk with that. And you should be walking with mindfulness, and mindfulness is kind and it doesn't take time. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:35]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> People see expressions of kindness. Or they've interpreted, this was a study that was done in the UK by the University of Sussex.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:43]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> They have def unfortunately, or fortunately, they're, one of their definitions of kindness is actually kind of performing actions. It's a way of clearly seeing that somebody is being kind. So again, lack of time means lack of, opportunity to perform an action. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:02]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Just because a university does a study doesn't mean it's the right kind of study.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It doesn't mean that they did it right. So you can get 60,000 people. Yes. I mean, last week we were talking about Myers Briggs. Oh. And that is full of crap. We know that. Right? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:16]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> As soon as, as soon as it was vetted, it kind of fell apart. Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:20]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So I'm just saying just because you got 60,000 people to agree on something, you're not gonna sway me because I think being kind is really simple.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:30]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> How does it feel, Matt, to be the opposite? ? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:33]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> No, no, no. It's, it's, it's all good. And you know what, if, if that's where we're going, that's where we're going and that's totally fine. I'm, and what we're, what were, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:42]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> hold on, hold on. I'm not trying to do this to be mean to you, by the way. I don't do it to be mean </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:46]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> to you either.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:47]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Yeah. Okay. Well, I just, well, I feel mean cause this is not normally my nature to constantly break down whatever you say, but this subject mm-hmm. really, is important to me. Right. And I don't want people to go, well you see, you study proves it that it takes time and it's hard. It's not! </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:07]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:07]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> okay. Hard. No. Is it, does it require time? Sometimes. And did you say hard? Hard. A hard no. On what? Is it hard? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> No. Is it hard to be kind? Right. Sometimes it is. Sometimes you do have to go outta your way. Sometimes it can be for sure. I mean, somebody's car could be, um, the tire needs to be changed on the side or the road.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:31]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And if you don't know how to fix it and you pull over to try to help this person, yeah, that is hard. It takes time. I don't know how to do it. You know, we all have our talents, we have our ways to provide kindness and I think that we look at a blanket way to be kind as the only way to be kind.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> There are many, many infinite possibilities where kindness can show itself. Correct. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:58]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> But it's hard to express kindness without performing an action.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:04]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I disagree.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:05]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I know. I know you do. But just because you look at somebody and smile, it doesn't necessarily mean the other person feels you're being </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:11]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> kind.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It does, if it's sincere. Look, the other day I was driving out of our neighborhood and I'm looking around for other kids, other, like preteens, teens. Mm-hmm. . Because I want our kids to find these other kids out there. , we still don't know a lot of people. We know our street and who lives on this particular street.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:34]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So as I was driving away, the bus stop happens. Like the bus comes and these kids get off the bus and oh my God, the most orneriest or orry</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> the most, or. Kids came off this bus. Mind you, they were probably tired and the whole day at school, because they have to deal with school and whatever happens there, which I, I hate because obviously that's why we're homeschooling. But they looked so angry and tired and defeated. And I, I understand like if someone, a stranger is looking at them, you know, I, I, I kind of remember that like, what are you looking at, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Is the kind of attitude like, are you another person that's gonna get on me? But honestly, I, uh, I was seriously looking to find friends. And this one, teen teenager who looked like very edgy and stuff, she caught me looking at them. She smiled the most beautiful, heartwarming smile that to this day, I'm like, oh, , it changed my day.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:48]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> You know, she obviously felt my, , sincerity in front friendship, even though I was looking for a friend for my kids. Like, Hey, are you my friends kid? Are you my kids friends? Um, but like, wow. So that right there, Never underestimate the power of a genuine smile. I'm not talking about the other smiles I tell you guys about all the time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Like when you see those real estate agents who or whoever is a professional, you see portraits of them. They think that the mere stretching of the lips and the showing of the teeth is a smile, and those are horrifying smiles. They're not smiles. Just because you stretch your lips to the sides doesn't mean you're smiling.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It is horrible. That's what I'm talking about, Matt. It has to be genuine. I can feel </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:37]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:37]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:38]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> get it. But </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:39]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> yesterday I was, I was with my, my youngest, we were </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:43]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> at the library </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:44]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> and this woman came in and she was like, I lost my library card. And they're like, oh, okay. We have a stash of library cards that people have turned in.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:52]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> So what's your last name? And she said what her last name is, and then the woman is like, your name's not. And it was a kid, it was a boy's name, and this was a woman. And. No, that's my son. Son lost his library card. I was being, I gave out a chuckle, but I was feeling very kind and I was like, oh, in there, right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:17]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Complete indifference back to me. Complete indifference. Didn't even look at me. Didn't even just. Trying to take care of business and just blah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:28]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Okay. So you have a woman </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:30]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> that has to prove something to a system. So being a woman, you already feel like you're being judged and you're having to prove yourself.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:40]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And then you have a man laughing. You don't have the capacity to look over say is this a kindhearted man? All you, so that that's what you're faced against, Matt. So you have to realize that, that just because you have a kind heart doesn't mean that a woman in that situation having to yet again prove herself to get something that is rightfully hers, like to justify something.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:07]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It doesn't mean that she'll have the capacity to, to hear your kindness. You understand what I'm saying? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:12]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I d (Matt tries to say something). </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It's like when you said good for you to that person, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:16]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> always gotta bring that up. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:17]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Well, because it's a great example. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:18]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I know </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Matt said, good for you to this person that said, I can't help you, I'm really busy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And he said, good for you. And the person got really bent out of shape to the point where I had to call her back. And this business explain it was a business saying she, she couldn't make it to our house she couldn't do the hardwood floors because she can't take any more clients. She's too busy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:44]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Matt said, good for you. She totally misunderstood that as SAR sarcasm, but you genuinely. Because we, you know, back then we were studying businesses and having our own business and everything. So we, we, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:59]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I was </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:59]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> excited that a local business had too much to </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:02]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> handle </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:03]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> and a local woman owned business that was doing well.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So you actually meant good for you, but again, you have to consider what, what is truly happening there. Do you know what I'm saying? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:14]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I totally </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:15]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> get it. And that again, this. The survey actually played out. Interestingly enough, they said that the kind of the two reasons why people aren't kinder is because the fear, the fear that it's gonna be misinterpreted.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:29]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Mm-hmm. and no time. So we're kind of bouncing, but still bouncing between those things. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:34]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> That's why I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:34]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> say it's brave. It's a brave act to be kind, because yes, even if you look at kids, like when kids get hurt, even if it's your own. Let's say they stub their toe or they fall down and they're crying and you go over there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:50]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> There, there's a certain age where you like go over there and you're like trying to hug them and you're trying to take care of their hurt. They will literally push you away physically and yell at you. I don't know why. I don't know the psychology behind that, but they're like, get away from me, and you have to</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> expect that in a way from everybody. Right? I know it sounds terrible, but if you're gonna be kind, it's like lending someone money. Don't lend someone money and expect to get it back. Lend it and, and just give it with the expectation that you'll never see it again. You're not being kind to get something in response.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:34]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> You're being kind to help somebody. So yeah, they may lash out at you. Because they're in so much pain and that pain is just ricocheting off everywhere. Right? Right. And you may get hit by it. So you have to, unfortunately, this is my advice. You have to kind of expect that and not let that injure you and keep going with your kindness and do your good </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:59]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> deed.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:00]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Yeah, absolutely. As soon as you start looking for, to get something out of it, other than just the pure kind of good vibe you get and the, you know, call it the good karma that you get because of it. Yeah. You start running into problems. I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> mean, we all know that hurt people hurt. We have heard that it's become a trope now, I guess.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:20]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Is that a trope? I don't know. Whatever </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:21]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> meme. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:22]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It's become a meme. That hurt people hurt, but it's true, right? When people are hurt, they hurt others or they hurt, you know, you wanna smash something you want the anger to be released from you. So it's like, a cloud, a dark cloud with electricity around it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:39]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It's not going to be a rainbow, fluffy day, do you know what I'm saying? To be around that cloud will expose you to something that is not unicorns. And wishes, you know what I'm saying? Yes. Um, anyway, go ahead. I forgot what I was gonna say.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:04]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> So why do you suppose people are kind anyways? I mean, why bother? Why not just concentrate on me in mine? Why not just takey, takey, all the time. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:18]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> because I think at our core, we all know that we're all interlaced and that we're all, we're all interconnected. When you're in pain, I'm in pain. When you're happy, I'm happy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:34]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I get it. I almost wanna take a slightly more , slightly more negative view of things and I, I would say just from a kind of an evolutionary perspective, If I'm, if you are sick and I help you, then when I'm sick, you'll help me. So there can be an integral selfishness at its core where it started and then as we evolved, it's still in there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:04]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> But I think that, um, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I know what you mean. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:09]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Good. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:09]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I think I would take it like a metaphysical. Or, or like, let's take it to this level. Let's say your body is your body and um, let's say Joe, we're looking at Joe Joe's knee hurts. But everywhere else he's fine.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:27]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Mm-hmm. , you wanna take care of that knee because if you don't take care of that knee, That pain or whatever is not addressed. If you're not gonna treat that knee, if you're not going to be kind to that knee and take care of that knee and give that knee what it needs, , um, it will spread to other places and take over the whole body, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:52]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Humanity is one body. When one person is in pain and you don't have that person, it (the pain) will spread. That person will inflict pain on others or it will just grow. If there's an area, a community that needs financial help, that is poor, that doesn't have food, doesn't have water, do you think that it will not change the rest of the world?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:18]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It will affect everything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:20]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So to me, being kind is really being kind to others, is being kind to yourself. I mean, you described it as, okay, when you need help, right? Someone can help you. We, you know, I just look at it that way, that I am helping myself when I'm helping someone else, but not that I'm waiting for a payback. It's like,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:42]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> In our own house, if someone is in a bad mood and someone is crying and someone upset is upset, it affects the whole home. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:49]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Oh, yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:50]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> All right. It's the same thing outside of the home. It's the same thing in our society. So that is why kindness is important. Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:01]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Uh, , it's amazing. 60,000 people to try and come up with some conclusions.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:08]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> But honestly, it's pretty simple. I think we'd all much rather live in a world where everyone is kind than a world where everyone is not kind. And even if that's a world where we just try and help, everybody wants to live in a world where everybody's trying to help them, and that makes it easier for us to try and help everyone.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:32]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Yeah, because </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> you have more energy. If you're constantly feeling like everything is, "you're on your own kid." , as we hear all the time growing up in the United States, "pull yourself by your bootstraps." "You're on your own kid" at 18, you're out. When we hear all that stuff, it is, it is exhausting to do everything yourself.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And the honest truth is there's no way we would survive doing everything ourselves. Do you know how to invent electricity? What if we lost the art of knowing how to produce electricity or the, I remember in school I learned that we lost the art of making glass. It was lost in some eruption. I learned this in like third grade or something.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:18]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It just stayed like</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:19]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> this must have been way, way, way back when.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:20]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Right. We had to relearn how to make glass, but like, do you know how to make glass? Like do you have the ability right now? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:26]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Oh no. It has something to do with heating sand. But that's about all I know. All right. Like, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:30]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> like look at all the things that are, that we take for granted that makes our lives comfortable.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:38]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I don't know how to do a hundred percent of it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:43]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I can make a great meal. I don't know how to grow anything. I've tried. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:48]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Well, making a great meal is part of it. It's not a hundred percent of nothing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I wouldn't know how to grow a carrot. I try to grow a carrot and all the other animals come and get it before I get it. Like, you know what I'm saying? That it doesn't even have a chance to grow, cuz.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I don't know how to grow it. , as we all know, years and years of trying to grow things out in, out in nature. And that's what I'm saying. We are so, uh, not indebted, what's the word, Matt? We are so in it together that we we're so </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:19]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> interconnected. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:20]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> We are, yeah, that's the word I use, but there's another word we're we are dependent on another.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:25]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> That's a terrible word.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:26]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> know it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:27]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> is. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:28]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> We are dependent on one another. We need each other and we are helping each other out for the most part. For the most part, I think beautifully. And I think there come some leaders that see that and they try to disrupt that chain. They disrupt that connection. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:51]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Well, people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:53]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Thrash the connection, as it were, for, for their own gain, be it short term or long term, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:59]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> you know? Well, like I said, hurt, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:00]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> people hurt sometimes, but sometimes there's good business in separating people. Sadly, like </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:05]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I said, that takes us back to a couple episodes, right? We're talking about the elements. You can't put fire and water together.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:15]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> They're enemies. But, um, I, I'm just gonna jump ahead to what I saw on your list. Oh, dear. Okay, so there's one day, I think this is going back to, we need to relearn the art of kindness because it's not just about performing certain acts that you feel like you're indebted by. Like, it's not about obligation, it is about kindness.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:43]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It's not about obligation. So it's about making someone's life better. And if you think about it, kindness should be thought of in business because no matter what kind of business you're in, if a lawyer or a dentist or a shoemaker, it doesn't matter. You're there to make someone's life easier. And I think we forget that you're there to improve someone's life.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> That's all business is about. And I think we should do a whole series on kindness in business. But it's not that you're indebted by this act of kindness. It's not that you're, it shouldn't be about obligation. I remember, had just given birth to Allegra, and so it was our second and this neighbor who had just moved in a few months before. She felt obliged to bring over food. Now, if you knew me, you knew that with a previous pregnancy, I, I had, we almost died. Both the baby, our baby, and me and I died almost. And you know, my, and also in the midst of this, my C-section ripped open, got infected.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:07]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> The doctors didn't care. They were like, okay, you're checking out and you were trying to convince them she needs help and they weren't hearing it. So it was horrible and it took me a year and a half to recuperate from that C-section. And so despite not being able to move, I needed the house a certain way for me to feel comfortable.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:30]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And I'm a neat freak, but I needed the house to be clean. And we lived in the forest. So if you were out there with shoes, you can't come into our house with shoes because you're tracking in mud and dirt twigs, all this stuff, right? And at that point, you know, we had little L crawling all over the place and I didn't have the ability to clean up to make sure that she would be okay if she crawled around and like picked stuff up off the outside that was inside our home.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:02]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So it was very important for me to relax being again in bed after another C-section. Please when you come into our home, take off your shoes. So the neighbor brought food over and I could hear from, from the bedroom. She had her boots on and she just was like walking in our place with her boots. And I tried to, in the most gentle way, say, please, can you take your shoes off shoes?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And at this point I had like, I, I, I tried to scoot over like, and so I could see her, but she didn't know that I was moving. She thought I was still in bed, and I looked at her face and she had the most horrible look on her face. Like she was rolling her eyes and like mouthing all kinds of profanity because I had told her to please take off her shoes because she felt obligated to bring something.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:02]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> First of all, I don't need your, you know, I don't need your food. Like, she did it for o for other reasons, for other selfish reasons. So it wasn't a kind act, and it certainly wasn't a kind act to, to, to be. So, um, what's the word when you're, um,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> it, it's like I made her go out of her way. It was inconvenient for her. Do you know what I'm saying? Right. Yeah, absolutely. To just slip off your boots for a second and just, just put the food down like on the bench. Right. But instead, you know, she doesn't think about doing something good all the way around.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:43]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> She, you know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. , she had her own reasons or her own rules for what is kind. She wasn't really truly thinking of what is actually helping me. It was actually hurting me. A, we're vegan, so we don't even eat that stuff. B, you're bringing in stuff from the outside with your shoes. You know, there's a little happy little sign outside that's like, please remove your shoes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Please remove your shoes. But anyway, there are ways I think we all need to relearn the art of kindness. Like going back to, I saw something on your list. I'm sorry. I know I'm talking so much, but like, this is, this is a heated, this is a heated issue for me. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:27]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Kindness is a heated issue?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:28]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Yeah, it is. Because I feel like, again, people feel like it's an obligation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:34]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Right. And when you go there, it's not, it's not kind. So, alright. Years and years ago you had a terrible boss. Oh yeah, I think it took us a while to understand his behavior he lacked a lot of </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:48]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> empathy. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> He lacked, social cues. Um, we didn't know that about him. We just, he just was not a nice person. He had difficulty communicating, but I didn't know that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:03]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Anyway, so we lived in Santa Monica and parking in Santa Monica is absurd, or I don't know if it's changed since we left, but sometimes it would take an hour and a half to find a parking spot to go into your apartment </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:16]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> and it would be three blocks away. Mm-hmm. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And so like, you know, if you have to go to the bathroom or , if you're carrying heavy, heavy things, good luck.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> If you're late for something, good luck it. It could take you an hour and a half to find a place to park, to go to your own home. Anyway, so this one day I had just come back from grocery shopping and I had an obscene amount of bags on me and they were all heavy, like so heavy. And I was trying to rush and I was trying to make it to the door, and he's standing there on the corner and he's just looking.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:56]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> He's like, you need some help. And I remember I got so offended by that because on your list, I think you wrote, you should ask people if they need help. I don't think you should say you need some help when obviously someone is obviously, struggling or in pain or something. You don't say you need some help.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:17]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> You say, oh my God, look at those bags, please, will you let me take some bags from you?. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:23]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> But that is indeed also asking for help or that's indeed making sure it's okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:27]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> But that's what I'm trying to tell you is there's a subtle art to it. Yes. You need some help. It's like, are you insane? It's like if someone is bleeding, you need some help.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:39]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Duh. No, you, you state the obvious. This is the art. This is the difference. You're standing there without a care in the world. You, you don't have any bags on you. Your hands are free. The wind is, is blowing in your hair and you're all light and carefree and you're looking at someone that you know who's carrying 18 bags and you're like, you need some help.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:07]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It's like, that makes me wanna slap that person. But if you say, oh my God, FAWN!. Can I take some of those bags? Please? Can I help you? It's, do you understand the difference? Yeah, it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:19]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> is absolutely a big </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:20]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> difference. That's how you should approach it, right? From my mind. Right? So what did I tell him? I got mad and I said, "no! Thanks anyway." I was sarcastic because he felt to me sarcastic, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:34]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So anyway, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:36]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> so in many ways it's very similar to a good for you , sadly. What do you mean? Well, it, I believe he actually just heard you say No, thanks. Yeah. For, you know, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> thanks anyways, unfor. No, but if you had seen my face, I'm sure I did not look pleased. But </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:56]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> again, looking at, um, social cues tricky </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> again. He didn't, yeah, he probably didn't understand it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:04]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> But you know what? You're a grown man in your mid 30. You should have known, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:10]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> you should have picked up something. But anyways, uh, but again, that's one of those tricky things because, one of the places that kindness as it turns out is least valued, is online, which is a place where you don't get to see the social cues and you don't get to see the facial expressions, and you don't get to understand the tone and the tense.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:30]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> which means kindness does not run rampant online. Meanness </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:34]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> does, sadly. Well, yeah. Again, you can't sense a smile, right? Because you can't, you're not in unless you're very psychically, um, meta, physically attuned to things. You can't sense what's happening. You needs to be around the person, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:51]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> and that's why you need to be bold in, you're contacting people on messengers and</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:57]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> stuff and make sure you send an emoji. I, I've always considered emoji's, never a lie. So I always try and send a smiley emoji just in case somebody wants to misinterpret what I send to them. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And again, I think it's the lack of the usage of certain words or a link of words. Do you need help? Or (instead saying) I see that you are experiencing this.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Can I do this for you? Is different. I think even if it's online, if you use more words and more adjectives, then there will not be a misunderstanding. And then you will know the tone and you don't even have to use an emoji. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:35]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> You're right, you're right. I, I think I use an emoji as a shortcut. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:39]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I think that's the problem; that we feel like everything needs a shortcut. And the more shortcuts we take, the uglier things are. Like, I never wanna take a shortcut when we drive somewhere. I always wanna go the prettiest route. The ugliest route will actually take me longer because in my mind and in the way I think I'm there and it's ugly and it lasts longer.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Do you know what I'm saying? Squarely outside. Matt, you're just like, can we get back to the topic? Matt saw a squirrel. Everybody. He's still there. Okay. . He's perched. News. Flash breaking news. Matt sees a squirrel. outside. Can we get back to the topic? Okay, so that's online. What else do you have to say?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:28]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Be brave. Be bold. Yeah, we already said that. Don't be afraid you. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:32]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> You know what? Take your time. No, seriously. You know, I work with , I work with some fun people from very different areas of the country. And actually, um, so one of my coworkers actually just took a slight, little, little like dink at me and he was like, yeah, I'm about to being stubborn, so he doesn't wanna do this.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:56]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And after the call was over, he messaged me and he's like, I didn't mean stubborn, or we're cool, right? And I sent him back a little laugh emoji, but I didn't take the time to say We're cool. So then he invented a situation where we talked on the phone and then he, he, he mentioned it again cuz he is, he doesn't appear to be incredibly kind.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:18]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> He certainly doesn't appear to be gentle, but he is, and he just wanted to make sure we were okay. It was very cute. See, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> that's a good person right there. Exactly. Okay. All right. You were saying something about. People are kinder to puppies rather than to students.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:35]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Oh </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:35]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> my goodness. Yeah. One of the, one of the studies they did was messed up. They concocted the story where, , this entity, this named entity goes through some hardship and battles through it. Right? And as it turns out, people were more likely to be empathetic towards a three year old, a puppy, and a dog, than somebody who was a college student. And the story was something like, uh, Caitlin, uh, injured their leg and they had to have pins put in it and a big, long cast that went all the way to their hip, and they fell down, but they got up and they kept struggling. People were more likely to be empathetic when they found out that caitlin was a, uh, was a puppy or a dog, or a three </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:25]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> year old. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And I think that comes because we have so many stories that we hear, and so you develop a certain prejudice. Like if you say college student, I mean, I immediately think entitled I do, I know, you know, obviously this person is like in college, they have a free, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:45]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> would you feel better if they were just </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:47]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> 19 years?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:48]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> No, because I would still feel like, because in our </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:52]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> culture, especially there's this story that goes around saying, this group of people behave this way and this group of people over here, they act this way, this group of people. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like it's like, We're told so many stories in such an advertising kind of fashion where we start hating each other.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> We start hating different groups, and we think those groups are always like religious groups or you know, like racial issues. But really there's so many isms out there. There's ageism, there's racism. Every group is portrayed a certain way. I think it's controlling how we behave towards one another.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:35]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And I think when you think of college student, you're thinking of a brat who has, you know, they're in college, but they're partying, they're irresponsible. Like you hear these stories all the time. They're in fraternities or sororities and they just party all the time. They go to parties. They have a very rich</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:57]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> life that is, what's the word for it? That that is very, entitled, um, selfish. Right? They're not altruistic. Right. And they're not there to just study. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:10]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I totally get why you come at it from that direction, but I think the key is, is not that people weren't empathetic towards a college student's plight.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> They were just more empathetic towards something cute when </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> they found</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:24]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> cuteness cuteness works and also </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:27]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> cute and harmless because there were, there were puppies, right? they were more empathetic towards something that doesn't cause </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:35]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> trouble.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:36]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Something that doesn't cause trouble, or something that they could more easily and quickly identify well with, because that's the other thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:44]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> People are much more likely to be kind to people who are just like, and just like us is a tricky thing because if I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> now, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> uh, those people that were saying that, that they were more empathetic towards a puppy. Mm-hmm. , I bet you those people were not parents of kids who are in university. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:06]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Right, exactly. But how many people have, are either a person at university or have people at the university versus how many people could feel.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:17]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> How many people have ever like taken care of a three year old or a puppy or a dog or pet? A dog, basically, there's a lot more connection there. But yes, cuteness, boom. And also the other thing that we're just not gonna gloss, I'm not gonna let us gloss over, is we're kinder to people who are just like us.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:35]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> One thing that they noticed was with regard. The, uh, invasion of Ukraine is all of a sudden people in Europe were giving more money to Ukraine than they were giving to Syria than they were giving to. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> This is not news to me, honey. Well, I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:51]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> know it's not news. The first thing I noticed, this is not news to you, but this might be news to people here.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:57]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Hmm. It is interesting to note by the way, that that was very much called out in England as being No, but England kind of gives the same all around because they have distance from all of, from, I guess from Ukraine as well as Syria. So you know they have the same amount of empathy across the board. No, but people in Europe itself, Europe proper itself ended up giving more money to Ukraine.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I don't wanna get into this because I'm, this is very heated for me. Mm-hmm. , I immediately noticed, oh, you're gonna help out people who have blue eyes and blonde hair, and fair of skin. But you saw people losing their babies trying to cross over a border, and you kicked them and you humiliated them and you told them to go back.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:43]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> You treated them worse than you would treat a, a, a piece of trash on the ground. . If someone is light colored, fair skinned, then you're like, oh, please come. I have food for you. I notice that immediately, so I don't wanna go there, but yeah, yeah. People who look like you. But see, most people think that way. I don't, because I am usually the person that I don't look like and I get treated a certain way.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> My treatment of others is not the same as how you or most people in our society, our culture behave. So you can't say, we don't put me in there . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:30]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I was speaking metaphorically about the the we as nation states or whatever you want to call it. Yeah.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:41]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> The European and North American states. Yeah.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:50]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Uncomfortable. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:51]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Yeah, it does. It makes it kind of hard for me to go on. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Okay. Let's just skip to another, well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:56]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> no, because I wanna keep, so how do we, how do we make people feel? Or be more like us to help build the kindness, to </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> build the empathy. Why should they, why? Why so egotistical to be like, you have to be like me, for me to feel anything for you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:15]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I think that's one thing we should look at right there. Why no, no. . Why do you feel like things need to be catered for you, for you to help them? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:29]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I don't. Unfortunately, you saying </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> it personally. You said we so I'm you. I know, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:34]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> unfortunately, yeah, unfortunately, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:37]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I think that's what needs to be looked at. Why do things need to, why do situations and people need to look a certain way for you to have empathy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:48]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I think </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:48]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> it's an evolutionary thing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I think that, uh, no, I think that's an excuse thing. Well, it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:52]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> is. And there's also kin bias that we could get into. I don't, I'm not a big fan </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:56]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> of kin bias, but we're all, all kin, we're all, I dunno what kin bias is, but we're all kin, we're all, we just said at the beginning of the show, we are interlaced.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Right, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:07]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> right. And one of the ways that we can make ourselves, make ourselves more like others is strictly through contact and communication. Well done. Well, okay, fine. But that's what sometimes studies with. Tens of thousands of people. Again, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> these kind of shine a light on in some entitled university who have nothing better to do, but to sip on some tea or like have some Dang, have a drink.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:37]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> No, I'm serious. Are they really out there? No. It's nice to be in your cushy chair coming up with these, uh, what do you call them, these surveys? Questionnaire surveys. Yeah. Gimme a break. Anyway, toss that out, man. Let's just bring it back to basics , and let's wrap this up. I can't, I can't,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:56]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> be kind. Don't look for something </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:58]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> to look like here. Be kind. Be bold. Don't expect a lot back, and I think it'd be pleasantly surprised. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:43:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I just think we all need to look at what the stories are. What are the tribal stories that we have inherited? We can inherit it from the tv, from social media, we can inherit it from people walking down the street and having a conversation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:43:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> What stories have we accepted about other people? It's ridiculous, like I think to get back to kindness and start the road of the art of kindness. I think we have to understand all these things that are going around our heads, our preconceived notions, our whatever thoughts that are there, I think we need to start questioning.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:43:48]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Where did that come from? Is that mine?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:43:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Yes. And if I don't, if I don't think something is cute, why? If you don't think something is cute, why? Yeah. When you look at, at an Ugly Baby or , a little Winston Churchill? No, I'm just trying to think of like why people, I'm saying ugly baby, in that you always brought up the, um, the thing that babies look like</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> the father, if the father is not attached to the baby. The baby will start looking like the father. So the father develops an emotional, like animalistic, like, I gotta take care of this thing cuz it looks like me. It was some, something that was like a psychological thing that was looked at. Mm-hmm. , right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> That the baby starts mimicking the person that's not interested, so the person will bond with them. Right. So what I'm saying, When you look at something and you don't think it's attractive, ask yourself, why am I thinking it's not attractive? Or if you're looking at something or someone with indifference or even hate, what is it that you're hating?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:58]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Where's that coming from? If you're feeling annoyed, hello me today, where's that annoyance really coming from? Don't always point it at the other person. It's most likely coming from you? Most likely it is a thought that we have in our own selves it's a dialogue that's been happening within ourselves that's creating annoyance.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:27]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> That's it. Okay. Sounds good. I mean, I think I totally side, side railed what you were saying today, Matt, so you wanna just go through your list please. You did all this research, you were so proud and I totally poo-pooed it. I'm so sorry. Can you just like quickly go through your list and we can say goodbye</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:45]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Oh my goodness. Like the big takeaways? Yeah. Just give us your big takeaways. Okay. So the top five types of kindness from five to one. I have concerned feelings for people less fortunate than myself. That's kindness. That's how people chose to define kindness. Number four, I help strangers pick things up. Uh, number three, I open doors to let people through because that's one of those, I think casually accepted ways to be kind.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:14]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Number two. Ooh, this one's the syntax. Wait, I thought that was number two. No, that was number three. Okay. Number two, and challenging syntax. I don't mind doing favors for friends. And number one is I help when I'm asked </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:28]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> These are </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:28]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> the top five types of kindness that people experience.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:31]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Oh, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> okay. Yeah. All right. What else did you learn?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:34]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> That top five places of kindness. Number one, surprise, surprise is the home. Number two is medical. Thank God that people are kind to medical stuff. Number three is work. Number four is, they call it green spots or parks or open fields. And number five is the shops. But keep in mind, this is Britain. So this is Britain.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Well, I have so much to say about every single one of those like. Um, I used to think we had a lot of friends on Bainbridge Island, but it turns out all of our friends worked at the grocery store and they were held captive cuz they had to be nice to us. Right. And we thought they were our friends. They were friendly.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> They were friendly. We even saw them outside of work, but they weren't really our friends.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:17]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Point. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:18]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So, yeah, that's kind of like social media. You think you have followers, you think you have friends, but it's really the circumstances that make you feel like you have friendship and you're not really working hard and it's not reciprocated in a true source of friendship the way it should be.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:38]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Right. Um, green space. Yeah. Nature teaches us everything, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:46]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> and I think it also gives us more opportunities to interact on a different level </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> than we normally do. When you go back to nature, you go back to the way things are naturally right, and you behave better because you feel better. That is true. So, you know, I mean, this is a heated topic, but a.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Neighborhoods that are experiencing suffering don't have trees in the neighborhood. True. It's like concrete, but um, so that's what these college people, university people came up with? Yes. That list? Yes. All right guys, we don't need this. We have our own spiritual selves. We have our hearts and our psych.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> We know all this. We don't. This is ridiculous that we have to turn to like some university. Man, this is so stupid. Whack. Well, um, no, it's not. Nothing against you, honey. I'm just saying like, you know, there are people out there with PhDs, there are people out there who are wildly popular, who have like best selling books out there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:53]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> But like, you know, we're, we're saying the truth, but, you know, whatever, you know. Just, we should be listening to each other. We all have the truth and we know how, how it is to be kind. You can smell something natural and you can smell something synthetic. When you're in nature, you know what it feels like to be embraced by nature, and I think our nature is to be kind.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:49:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Anyway, that's it. Sounds. Well, alright. Let us know what you think. As usual, go to our friendly world podcast.com. Please reach out to us. I know you're walking around. I know you're jogging. I know you're busy. When you have a chance, please tell other people about the podcast. Let's get this movement really going again and bring back the art of friendship.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:49:47]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And we, with that, we can change the world, everybody. It's simple. It's not hard and doesn't take time. Instant. All right. Love you guys. Be </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:49:59]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> bold and be well. Bye.</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This week we go over the top 5 types of kindness and the top 5 places kindness can be displayed. It's said that one of the reasons why people stop and aren't kind is because kindness takes time (either they have no time or they perceive that they have no time). We think that kindness does not take time. Kindness has many ways. One way could be in the way you look at someone. Smiling, for example, has an art to it (the art of smiling is a thing that Fawn talks about all the time). We can all absolutely feel and see people smile. We can sense a genuine smile. When we are being completely in the moment, even if we're rushed, allows for some gentleness to occur for ourselves (within our little bubble). That feeling ripples out. That's a form of kindness.Matt shows how kindness is interpreted; how people see expressions of kindness, through a study that was done in the UK by the University of Sussex. As Fawn and Matt discuss how people view kindness and add to it the perception of how time and opportunity as well as preconceived ideas play a role in kindness, Fawn makes the point that we all have our talents, that we all have our ways to provide kindness, and argues that there should not be a blanket way to be kind; that there are many, many infinite possibilities where kindness can show itself. We should never ever underestimate the power of a genuine smile. It's a brave act to be kind, because yes if you are expected kindness to be understood and reciprocated immediately, you may get your feelings hurt. Being kind should be like lending someone money. Don't lend someone money and expect to get it back. If you lend it, just give it with the expectation that you'll never see it again. You're not being kind to get something in response. You're being kind to help somebody. When someone is hurting, they may lash out at you. They're in so much pain and that pain is just ricocheting off everywhere. And you may get hit by it. You have to kind of expect that and not let that injure you and keep going with your kindness and do your good deed.So why bother being kind? Why not just concentrate on me in mine? Humanity is one body. When one person is in pain, we all feel the pain. And if that person is ignored (their pain is ignored, their pain will spread out to the rest of society. So being kind is really being kind to others, is being kind to yourself. In our own house, if someone is in a bad mood and someone is crying and someone's upset, it affects the whole home. It's the same thing outside of the home. It's the same thing in our society. So that is why kindness is important. It's pretty simple. 
We'd all much rather live in a world where everyone is kind than a world where everyone is not kind. And even if that's a world where we just try and help, everybody wants to live in a world where everybody's trying to help them, and that makes it easier for us to try and help everyone. This results in us having more energy. If you're constantly feeling like everything is, "you're on your own kid" as we hear all the time growing up in the United States, "pull yourself by your bootstraps." "You're on your own kid" at 18, you're out. When we hear all that stuff, it is disheartening. It is impossible and exhausting to do everything ourselves.The honest truth is there's no way we...]]>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">We can think of each person and ourselves as a different kind of element (earth, fire, water, air and space), and explore how these elements work together. Some elements love each other; they support and nurture each other while some elements like fire and water are enemies; destroy each other and they need to remain separate. What does all this mean in accordance to our relationships? How can we coexist? What is the right balance to have (because we all have each and all of the elements within us) in order to have a beautiful friendship? Keep in mind that IMBALANCE is necessary also.</span></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">If you think about walking, You couldn't walk if you were not imbalanced. If you were always balanced, you would not be able to walk because you would be so centered the whole time. The fact that you have to take one step and put all your weight onto another leg. To go to that next step is a free fall if you think about it. And it requires imbalance. You have to have faith that you are going to transition through that imbalance and wind up in a steady spot. These are the things to keep in mind in the art of friendship.</span></strong></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">When </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I went to the hardware store, Yeah, when I went, when I went to the hardware store, when I went to Home Depot, I had a culture, not a culture shock. I don't know what to call it. It wasn't a shock, but a, when you go to different areas and you don't realize how different you are, and then all of a sudden you experience a shift in culture? Mm-hmm. ? Yes. That happened to me at the store , and then it happened after the store also, like I was talking to our neighbor, Kathy, and she started laughing at one word I said, and the conversation continued, but she definitely laughed at me saying, our friend's name Barry.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:44]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And she's like, What? I'm like Barry. She's like Barry and, And she was laughing about how I said strawberry or blueberry and then she corrected it quickly, like it happened in a span of like two seconds. Wait, how did she correct it? She said Barry, again, I don't know. Cause I'm experiencing culture shock, like aari or something.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:05]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Berry. Berry. This is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:07]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> like when you try and correct me with your fluent french. </span></span></p>
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If you think about walking, You couldn't walk if you were not imbalanced. If you were always balanced, you would not be able to walk because you would be so centered the whole time. The fact that you have to take one step and put all your weight onto another leg. To go to that next step is a free fall if you think about it. And it requires imbalance. You have to have faith that you are going to transition through that imbalance and wind up in a steady spot. These are the things to keep in mind in the art of friendship.
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[00:00:00] FAWN: I went to the hardware store, Yeah, when I went, when I went to the hardware store, when I went to Home Depot, I had a culture, not a culture shock. I don't know what to call it. It wasn't a shock, but a, when you go to different areas and you don't realize how different you are, and then all of a sudden you experience a shift in culture? Mm-hmm. ? Yes. That happened to me at the store , and then it happened after the store also, like I was talking to our neighbor, Kathy, and she started laughing at one word I said, and the conversation continued, but she definitely laughed at me saying, our friend's name Barry.
[00:00:44] FAWN: And she's like, What? I'm like Barry. She's like Barry and, And she was laughing about how I said strawberry or blueberry and then she corrected it quickly, like it happened in a span of like two seconds. Wait, how did she correct it? She said Barry, again, I don't know. Cause I'm experiencing culture shock, like aari or something.
[00:01:05] FAWN: Berry. Berry. This is 
[00:01:07] MATT: like when you try and correct me with your fluent french. 
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">We can think of each person and ourselves as a different kind of element (earth, fire, water, air and space), and explore how these elements work together. Some elements love each other; they support and nurture each other while some elements like fire and water are enemies; destroy each other and they need to remain separate. What does all this mean in accordance to our relationships? How can we coexist? What is the right balance to have (because we all have each and all of the elements within us) in order to have a beautiful friendship? Keep in mind that IMBALANCE is necessary also.</span></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">If you think about walking, You couldn't walk if you were not imbalanced. If you were always balanced, you would not be able to walk because you would be so centered the whole time. The fact that you have to take one step and put all your weight onto another leg. To go to that next step is a free fall if you think about it. And it requires imbalance. You have to have faith that you are going to transition through that imbalance and wind up in a steady spot. These are the things to keep in mind in the art of friendship.</span></strong></span></span></p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>It's Elementary - TRANSCRIPT</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">When </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I went to the hardware store, Yeah, when I went, when I went to the hardware store, when I went to Home Depot, I had a culture, not a culture shock. I don't know what to call it. It wasn't a shock, but a, when you go to different areas and you don't realize how different you are, and then all of a sudden you experience a shift in culture? Mm-hmm. ? Yes. That happened to me at the store , and then it happened after the store also, like I was talking to our neighbor, Kathy, and she started laughing at one word I said, and the conversation continued, but she definitely laughed at me saying, our friend's name Barry.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:44]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And she's like, What? I'm like Barry. She's like Barry and, And she was laughing about how I said strawberry or blueberry and then she corrected it quickly, like it happened in a span of like two seconds. Wait, how did she correct it? She said Barry, again, I don't know. Cause I'm experiencing culture shock, like aari or something.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:05]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Berry. Berry. This is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:07]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> like when you try and correct me with your fluent french. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Stop it. So anyway, but I was at the hardware store and they were talking really fast and I couldn't understand what was happening. There was a thick accent happening because of this area of the country we live in. They speak faster depending on where you are.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:30]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Anyway, I couldn't understand and then, oh dear. So that led to, And my accent, which I didn't really realize I had to thicken also. Oh dear. So I was like, um, I, I, I don't understand, like, I have this like , um, um, I don't know, like that kind of Los Angeles Valley girl. Um, I, I don't know. I don't know if it's a vocal fry, whatever it is, you know, it's, It's that LA like Santa Monica accent comes out.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:10]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Okay. I'm not really that aware of a, but I suppose you wouldn't be of your </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> own. I mean, I just stepped outta my body and I'm like, and I was listening to myself going, um, I, I don't understand. What, what did you say? Like, . Do you know what I'm like? I don't. Um, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:29]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Um, was it just that they were talking too fast </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> or, No, there was a definite, like, Eastern accent and it was very fast. It didn't have, um, like I emphasized different parts of my sentences.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:43]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It was all monotone and quick, and the guy had no patience for me. Wow. And which I understand. And, you know, he couldn't be bothered, like, like he just wanted the answer. To his question, but I couldn't understand what he was saying. Anyway, I had to have a translator. So his, his , his work buddy, had to translate for me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Right. Um, anyway, culture, culture differences. Like, we don't realize like a Allegra the other day are, I overheard her say she was talking to herself, but she's like, I gotta get rid of my Colorado accent. I'm like, What? There's a ca And I started to think about all the places we have lived that I've lived. Even before meeting you Matt, but like there was definitely an accent in Minnesota.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> There was a definite different accent in Washington state, like Seattle really? But yeah, I wanna say just for a few words, but not all the time. But I don't know. See, I don't know now because I thought when I said Barry Barry's okay. Like, but apparently that was funny to Kathy. Well, it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:50]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> is interesting because it's strawberry is b e r r y.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:55]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> But yet his name is b a r r y. There must be a different pronunciation, but I've never heard it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> differently. See, I think we're just from California, but I don't know if we're not hearing it right. Yeah, I don't think we are. I think because we think we're the center of the universe, being from Los Angeles, that we don't realize that we could be wrong.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Like we're experiencing, this new area of the country we're living in. And it is totally. There are things and ways of living here that are not done on the West Coast. Right? It is totally different here. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:33]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> No arguments </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> there. It is. It is amazing. It is amazing. Here I am thinking, oh, whatever, You know, America is America like</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:44]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I mean, the only cultural difference, that was always pointed out to me, If you're from the south, you definitely have that southern accent and the southern hospitality that they're known for. And the fried food, you know, the food, the cuisine. Um, I don't know, I think a lot </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:02]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> of people take certain objections to that, but I know by the same token I'm working with a whole bunch of people from Virginia and yeah, it does require me to do </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> a little shift, I think.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I think we're quite ignorant being from Los Angeles. Yes. Seriously, we think that everything revolves around us. Like we're the right way to be, we're the right way to speak. We're we're it y'all. Y'all are different. Well, but that's you. But this is the way to be. Like everything revolves around Los Angeles.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:33]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> When I, when I were a lad, companies sent me to England and I swear to goodness, every single time I talked to anybody, I would have to have them repeat what they said. I swear </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:47]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> that that totally happened to us too, and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:49]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> yet they seem to understand me just fine. I know. It's a bizarre thing. I, I, I don't really have a good explana.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:56]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> The explanation I came up with at the time was all movies come from Hollywood. Cause definitely. Okay. Yes. 90% </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:04]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> the movie movies come from Hollywood. Back then, it was definitely true. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:09]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> So they're already quote unquote indoctrinated to understand if they wanna watch Star Wars or whatever. So, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:16]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I don't know.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:17]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I mean, even now, getting into the voiceover field, everything revolves around Los Angeles definitely the United States like having the American accent and all the big jobs come out of the American agencies and stuff.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:32]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> It's. Very American centric and definitely LA centric. Anyway, this has nothing to do with what we're talking about today, . Okay then, But Matt, I know what you mean. Same thing happened too. I say us because I went with a huge group of college students and we lived in England for a couple years, and oh my God, the first day, the first week.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:57]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Thank God we were there with friends because we would get together for breaks in between classes and we would share stories like, cuz we all would get lost. We had to walk to school and you couldn't figure out where things were. So you would ask for directions, right? And oh my God, it would take five minutes to have whoever you asked, explain where you're going, And I couldn't understand a word they were saying.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:24]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> once again, I'm like, um, excuse me. What? And then you would ask the next person, it was the same thing. And it, and not only was the accent a problem, like I couldn't understand what they were saying. It was that the way they told you something, the way that they said, this is how you get to this place, we're used to saying to someone, Oh, when you get to this street turn, Go for a block, you'll see the street turn right and it'll be on your left hand side.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:53]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Simple to us, right? But no, it was a whole story about when this place was built and it looks like this. And, and so and so walked past here and you'll see this, but that's not what you're looking for. You wanna go. It was this long, drawn story. It wasn't Simple directions. Right. And then other things way back then I didn't know, cuz I was a kid and it was a long time ago, was, I didn't know what a roundabout was.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:19]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Yeah, it is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:20]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> kind of a weird, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> interesting thing. What? What's a roundabout? You know, the little things like that. Anyway, this has nothing to do with what we're talking about today. Okay. Then I just wanted to say, Once you feel like, Oh, I'm finally blending in. Something comes across your way like that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:37]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Like, Oh man, I sound different, you know? Or I don't understand something. Right. Anyway, today I was thinking about something because I read an article in The Yoga Journal. It's this article called "Using the Five Elements to Purify Our Being". So they go through the five elements. I found this article because I'm doing some research for a children's picture book that I'm writing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:03]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So it got me thinking, first of all, I was only thinking of four elements, which is. It's earth, air, fire, and water. Yeah. And the fifth one is space. Thinking about that and what it means to our relationships. Here's what it is.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> They're called states of matter. The person who wrote this article was Swami Shankardev Saraswati PHD. He's a psychologist, he's a doctor, he's a yogi, he's a swami. So this is what he was saying is that each of the five elements represents a state of matter.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Earth is not just soil, but it is everything in nature that is solid. Like water is everything that is liquid. So everything that is liquid is water, air is everything that is a gas. So like all gas is, air, water is everything that is liquid. Yes, I'm sorry. Air is everything. That is a gas. But then what about fire and space?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:10]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> He said fire is that part of nature that transforms one state of matter into another. So for example, fire transforms the solid state of water, which is ice into liquid water. And then, The gas form, which is steam, withdrawing water, taking the water away, recreates the solid state. so he's talking about all these different states and I found it very interesting because first of all, I started to think that if we can think of each person as a different kind of element, How do those elements work together?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So I'm thinking the relationships that these elements have, is it in sync with how our relationships work? He said: "Each element has a relationship with the others based on their nature. These relationships form the laws of nature. Some elements are enemies in that they each block the expression of the other.".</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Which is interesting, like think about it like two people. Fire and water, for example, will destroy each other if they get the chance to. Um, in order to coexist, fire and water need to be separated. , Hold on a second. Hold on. I know kind of like makes you think of when you're in school, right? They separate you and then he said some elements, , love each other. In that they support and nurture each other. For example, earth and water, love to, He describes it as a hug that earth and water hug each other and air and fire increase each other. And I'm thinking, huh? Yeah. Certain friends, like you get together with certain people. you make each other stronger.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:58]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And then he. This is, these are his words. He goes, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:02]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> "other elements are simply friendly and cooperative. For example, water and air live together without problems as in soda water, but when the chance occurs, they separate. The same happens with fire and earth. So even when they're friends, they can separate when they have the chance, they separate, like, they're like, Okay, I, we get along well.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> We make great soda water, but you know what? I need my time alone and I wanna go over here and be by myself. Do you know what I'm saying? Okay. So Matt is, Matt is shaking his head, obviously in disagreements with all this, I. I think there's something here that we should explore. I think there's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:46]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> something here, but I think he's, It's a flawed model.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> What? Why? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:51]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Well, okay, so he's, he's basically taking a look at kind of basic science from a, kind of a Greek hierarchy of just trying to categorize things. And it's a convenient way to categorize things. I mean, the game magic, the gathering has green, blue. You know, blah, blah, blah, magic, um, avatar, the last air bender had all these different fires, blah, blah, blah, pulling the elements together.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:15]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> But what you're really, what he's really kind of getting circling around and when I think all these properties circle around are the states of matter, which is most easily understood with water. So water is either a liquid or it's a solid cuz it's ice or it's a gas because it's steam. And to do that, you have to apply energy, which is how he's choosing to categorize fire.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:37]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And there's actually even a fourth state of matter, I want to say. And I remember hearing it and I still am bizarre about it, but there's a fourth state of matter where you get steam even hotter. It turns into plasma or something, which isn't blood. It's something else. I don't know. I was terrible at natural sciences.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:54]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I'm only good at applied sciences. But anyways, I. I don't like the way he's, he's categorizing these things. I don't understand why I, I'd almost be happier if he would've said fall versus spring versus summer versus winter. What? Because fire and air don't coexist. Fire and air. St. Fire needs earth Fire needs something to consume in order to do anything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:20]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Again, it's, it's, it's a clumsy analogy, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:22]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> frankly. No, it's not. Maybe I'm being clumsy describing what I read, but if you think about it, we all have all of these elements within us. We're all made up of all these elements, right? We have all of that together, but yet there are personalities that don't get along, and that's true fiery people that don't get along with watery people because they go at war and they destroy each.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> They don't get along. They need to be separated. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:52]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> It, it just feels like you're trying to shoehorn that analogy into this, into this guy's analogy. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:57]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> No, this is how I, this I, this is how I think. And I don't understand why you would say, Oh, we gotta, It's better to describe the seasons with it. You </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:08]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> know, It's just pick a different, I, I don't like his analogy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:11]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And what does space have to do with it? What is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> space? Space Is that spiritual like high? Hmm. Level of being where you transcend all that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:22]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> So I just wanna be a space person then, cuz I wanna transcend it all. Okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Isn't that you would be that kind of person, but who is that kind of person? We all are, we're all made out of spirit.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> We're all made out of energy. But there are some people that rise above it. They're not firey, they're not gonna get down in the dirt with you. They're, they rise above things. I'm just talking personality. Look, this is something I'm exploring. I, I, the thought came into my head, there are these five elements, and some of them are friendly with one another and some of them are not.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:56]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Some of them are downright enemies. It's interesting that everything that happens in life happens on a molecular level. So in a way it's kind of the same thing. So our relationships are happening, are coexisting just like they are in science. If we look at these common elements, these five common elements, and bring it down to the common relationships that exist, the different common personality types, I think it's something to look at.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Can water and fire coexist? I always say, the earth is a small town and everyone is your friend. However, you're not meant to be friends with everyone. For example, I'm all about family, but I had to cut my family off. It wasn't good for me or our children to be around what I grew up in.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:50]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> That relationship needed to end. It was abusive, it was not ok. I've made certain friends out there that I no longer talk to because it got toxic fire and water. We all have all of that within us, but it doesn't mean that we all need to coexist together.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> But it's something interesting to look at, to see how we can work together. Just looking at things objectivley, saying, Okay, this person is pure fire and I'm water, and unless I wanna devote all my energy to dissipating, then I need to go somewhere else.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:27]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Okay, let's, let's try and bring this back to center. Let's try and find a balance to this, and let's go back to the actual real, I think, description of the article, the title of the article, which was using the five elements to purify Your Being. See, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> why do you get, why don't, don't get so bogged down with what I said.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I said I was researching for the picture book and I was just wanting to give credit to where I got my train of thought. Why are you so stuck on the exact title of of that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:01]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> article? Because it helps me focus because I gotta stop focusing on a person being fire or a person being water. A person is a person, A person is multifaceted and they're allowed to transition between states very quickly.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:14]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Excuse </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> me. Isn't that what I said? I said we all have that in us. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:17]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Okay. Tap. So I could categorize it not being you. I could categorize it as when you were going to the place at the beginning, the initial story that you told. Maybe you were feeling very airy and very </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> light and airy. Oh, you mean how I started the episode and I said, This has nothing to do with what we're talking about.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:37]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Exactly. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:38]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> But I can't help but bring things back to where, what, anything, any scrap of where we started, but maybe you were walking into that very airy and then you realized maybe you needed to be more like water, a little more ground, a little more grounded, but still flowing and trying to make sense of it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:55]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And then as you know, the person was getting frustrated. They were giving you fire. Maybe you were thinking you needed more fire, or maybe you were thinking you needed to be more centered and grounded. So they might be So you were trying to compliment their fire state. He </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> wasn't having </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:12]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> any of that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:13]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Exactly. Cuz he was giving you pure fire and you needed to figure out He wasn't </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:17]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> though like that. He wasn't giving me anything. Well, he, he was just, he was being </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:22]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> totally indifferent. Yeah. Oh my goodness. That's like the worst. He </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:25]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> was totally indifferent. He didn't, he didn't care. He was. He, he was, he wasn't rolling his eyes, but it was like that, like rolling his eyes, like </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:35]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> whatever.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:35]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Like, and, and unfortunately you were in a place where this wasn't something you could just walk away from because it's not like this was a deep, personal 10 year relationship. This is a random guy and you needed something and, and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:48]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> you know what? He was perfectly great, is just, I couldn't understand. It was a culture shock.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I couldn't understand what he was </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:56]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> telling me. Right. And so as we struggle to understand, we need to figure out maybe how we need to transition ourselves between our different states. Yes. To make ourselves better heard, better understood. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Well, in this case, I turned to, or luckily, I don't know if I turned to, or someone else actually came up to me that he was working with and, and helped out.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:22]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> We need each other. So whatever element I was and whatever element this guy was. It wasn't being, um, it wasn't mixing well, it, it wasn't translating. Right. And so another element came in, and that's why we all need each other. That's what I'm saying. We all have all these parts, but there are times where we're more of one than the other.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:44]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And I think that that's where the imbalance comes from. Yes. And also, imbalance is necessary in everything. If you think about walking, You couldn't walk if you were not imbalanced. If you were always balanced, you would not be able to walk right </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:04]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> because you would be so centered the whole time. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> The fact that you have to take one step and put all your weight onto another leg.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:15]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> To go to that next step. It's a free fall if you think about it. And that's, and it, and it requires imbalance. You have to have faith that you are going to transition through that imbalance and wind up in a steady spot. It's a dance. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:31]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> When, uh, scientists were trying to teach robots to walk.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:36]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> They realized that basically the robot was falling the entire time they were walking. . Mm-hmm. . It's just, again, it's a controlled, it's a controlled everything. So, you know, I, I think we need to just keep in mind that our lives are a dance and nobody is the same thing always. And we could have the same conversation five minutes later.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:56]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And all of a sudden we, we could be, have a completely different conversation. It could go in completely different directions just based upon nothing, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:04]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> frankly. All I'm saying. Fire can destroy water and the other way or around, but sometimes you need to have air come in that can maybe blow out the fire </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:16]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> sometimes you need to figure out how to transition from one place to another place, from one state to another state, from one. But </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:25]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> you're speaking of it, but you're speaking of it in a, in a motion that is you alone, you have to do this. What I'm saying is we need each other. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:36]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Well, and sometimes yes, you're absolutely right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:38]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> It is a dance. It is because you're having the conversation with multiple people or you're having the conversation with even just one other person. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> We're living on the planet with multiple people. Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:48]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> So we have to figure out how to get along. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:50]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I'm just saying we need each other. Yes. That sometimes the wind element needs to intervene or in a situation where there are enemies. If water and fire cannot coexist, then perhaps having earth in there will bring things together in harmony, is what I'm saying. So I'm saying we need each other and it's, it's good to look at all these different elements and see how things work out. I can't give you specific examples of how and why and who and what and where right now I'm just saying, look, it's just a thought. That's all I'm saying is just let's just look at this as a thought. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:29]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Right? Huh? Right. And unfortunately, yeah, you don't have. Necessarily. Yeah, we, we both go through and we both get our own kind of, uh, inputs as it were. And something I've been thinking an awful lot about lately is, uh, I worked at a job and they made us take a Myers-Briggs test, which basically dictates your personality.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:49]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Well, it turns out Myers-Briggs is who he. Yeah, it's utter Huey because we're constantly in a constant state of change and flux and you can take the same test five seconds later and it comes out completely different. Matt, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> did you, did you ever watch that show with the kids and I would watch, It's called Adam Ruins Everything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:07]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It's a show called Adam Ruins. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:08]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I mean, it's a brilliant title and you know, I definitely gotta have sympathy for Adam. Well, he </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">did </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> a whole show on the Myers-Briggs thing and proved where it came from, and it is, it's, it's, it's garbage. It's something totally made up. Well, it, it's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:23]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> an, again, it's an interesting thought experiment, you know, because how do you get information?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:30]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> How do you process information? How do you communicate information? And you know what? What is your process for going, transitioning through all those states is kind of the four letters </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:41]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> of Myers breaks. Yeah, but we, I don't like the four letters and I don't like putting people in boxes, but it is good to look at, Hey, this is how this person operates.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:50]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> This is how this person maneuvers. This is how this person learns. I mean, we all know, especially in our case, Matt, right, homeschooling, we have to figure out how do each child is totally different. How do they learn? Right? How do they process something, right? One kid needs to move when they're trying to understand something, they can't sit still in a chair and just be fed information.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Their body needs to move for it to translate in their psyche, in their brain. Other kids need to do something else to come to that understanding. So it's good to know how we all operate. I don't like scientific things that put people in boxes because we all know someone makes some sort of discovery or, or in, I mean, Myers Springs, that that is total nonsense.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:41]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It was totally made up, right? I don't remember the whole story, but. If you go back, it's called Adam Ruins everything and just look it up. It was something completely made up to benefit someone in part one person in particular. But I am in. Looking at each person and looking at them with compassion and trying to understand where they're coming from and, and how they're maneuvering. You know, that's how they drive, that's how they live. And I don't want to judge if I'm in a proper state of mind and rather not judge, but I'd like to be loving and open and receptive to just say, Okay, this is how this person is operating.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> They could be fire, they could be air, they could be earth, they could be water, whatever. They could be pure spirit. And it's good to watch and it's good to realize it's good to, I don't wanna say analyze, but it's good to try to understand, and I just wanted to take these five elements as a starting point see people or to give it a chance to look at someone and be present enough by just using these five elements as a way to look at someone, to perhaps see them in a way that you didn't before, or perhaps to see the conflict that you're in, in a way that you didn't see before. Or if it's a perfectly perfect relationship to see, Wow, this is why we work.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:18]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> We hug earth and water hug, you know, like we blend and we make this together. Sometimes it's good to look at how things are made. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:32]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Fair enough. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And that was, that was my only point. Fair </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:35]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> enough. Okay. Okay. All right. All right. Okay. Love is winning. Love </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:42]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> is. Well, thank God I was pissed off. My goodness. I was mad</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:50]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> All right, well that's it. Talk to you in a few days and of course, let us know what you think. Go to our friendly world podcast.com and we'll talk to you in a few days. Bye. Be well.</span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[We can think of each person and ourselves as a different kind of element (earth, fire, water, air and space), and explore how these elements work together. Some elements love each other; they support and nurture each other while some elements like fire and water are enemies; destroy each other and they need to remain separate. What does all this mean in accordance to our relationships? How can we coexist? What is the right balance to have (because we all have each and all of the elements within us) in order to have a beautiful friendship? Keep in mind that IMBALANCE is necessary also.
If you think about walking, You couldn't walk if you were not imbalanced. If you were always balanced, you would not be able to walk because you would be so centered the whole time. The fact that you have to take one step and put all your weight onto another leg. To go to that next step is a free fall if you think about it. And it requires imbalance. You have to have faith that you are going to transition through that imbalance and wind up in a steady spot. These are the things to keep in mind in the art of friendship.
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It's Elementary - TRANSCRIPT
 When 
[00:00:00] FAWN: I went to the hardware store, Yeah, when I went, when I went to the hardware store, when I went to Home Depot, I had a culture, not a culture shock. I don't know what to call it. It wasn't a shock, but a, when you go to different areas and you don't realize how different you are, and then all of a sudden you experience a shift in culture? Mm-hmm. ? Yes. That happened to me at the store , and then it happened after the store also, like I was talking to our neighbor, Kathy, and she started laughing at one word I said, and the conversation continued, but she definitely laughed at me saying, our friend's name Barry.
[00:00:44] FAWN: And she's like, What? I'm like Barry. She's like Barry and, And she was laughing about how I said strawberry or blueberry and then she corrected it quickly, like it happened in a span of like two seconds. Wait, how did she correct it? She said Barry, again, I don't know. Cause I'm experiencing culture shock, like aari or something.
[00:01:05] FAWN: Berry. Berry. This is 
[00:01:07] MATT: like when you try and correct me with your fluent french. 
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>We're talking about telling it like it is, not being worried about looking ugly, and not allowing ourselves to get so offended. Everyone goes through moments where they get offended in a friendship. But have you noticed that in our current culture, as soon as someone gets offended, it's the end of the friendship?<br /><br />Relationships have become disposable because it's so easy to just avoid a person or a certain problem forever, and never want to talk about it again. This takes us back to the saying “How you start something is how you end”. We can't end on a bad note and think that we can go into this other thing and start all over, with a clean slate. The same issues will inevitably come up again. So if we get offended by someone and we end that relationship because we never want to talk to this person again, whatever issue was a charge is going to happen again. That same issue in some other form is going to come up again.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Further discussion leads us to explore when being polite at all costs is ruining our humanity and our relationships/friendships. We explore the delicate balance of telling it like it is, perhaps appearing harsh, but needing to be truthful in order to be good friends. Sometimes being unafraid to look foolish or ugly can save our lives.</strong></span></span></p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>TRANSCRIPT</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Hi </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> everybody. Hello. Welcome. I told you, what did I tell you about the Hello . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:07]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Hello everyone. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Thank you. Hello. Love you. Love is winning.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:15]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> oh dear. This week, today we're talking about giving it to you straight, telling it like it is, right? So I'll tell you how it is, honest. I have to get things off my chest. This week was hard, This week was hard. Uh, Allegra had a meltdown. I'm like, Okay, let's change the perspective. The meltdown happened because of math, which, you know, when I started homeschooling, I started to really love math because, My perspective changed and I got emotional about it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:46]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Like I really wanted to understand this thing that always gave me trouble in school. And then, because I could start from the very beginning, like preschool age up until now, we're like, you know, the kids are like, like big </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:03]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> seventh, ninth, 10th, seventh, eighth, ninth, 10th. God, I missed eight. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Anyways. B...</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[We're talking about telling it like it is, not being worried about looking ugly, and not allowing ourselves to get so offended. Everyone goes through moments where they get offended in a friendship. But have you noticed that in our current culture, as soon as someone gets offended, it's the end of the friendship?Relationships have become disposable because it's so easy to just avoid a person or a certain problem forever, and never want to talk about it again. This takes us back to the saying “How you start something is how you end”. We can't end on a bad note and think that we can go into this other thing and start all over, with a clean slate. The same issues will inevitably come up again. So if we get offended by someone and we end that relationship because we never want to talk to this person again, whatever issue was a charge is going to happen again. That same issue in some other form is going to come up again.
Further discussion leads us to explore when being polite at all costs is ruining our humanity and our relationships/friendships. We explore the delicate balance of telling it like it is, perhaps appearing harsh, but needing to be truthful in order to be good friends. Sometimes being unafraid to look foolish or ugly can save our lives.

TRANSCRIPT
Hi 
[00:00:01] FAWN: everybody. Hello. Welcome. I told you, what did I tell you about the Hello . 
[00:00:07] MATT: Hello everyone. 
[00:00:08] FAWN: Thank you. Hello. Love you. Love is winning.
[00:00:15] FAWN: oh dear. This week, today we're talking about giving it to you straight, telling it like it is, right? So I'll tell you how it is, honest. I have to get things off my chest. This week was hard, This week was hard. Uh, Allegra had a meltdown. I'm like, Okay, let's change the perspective. The meltdown happened because of math, which, you know, when I started homeschooling, I started to really love math because, My perspective changed and I got emotional about it.
[00:00:46] FAWN: Like I really wanted to understand this thing that always gave me trouble in school. And then, because I could start from the very beginning, like preschool age up until now, we're like, you know, the kids are like, like big 
[00:01:03] MATT: seventh, ninth, 10th, seventh, eighth, ninth, 10th. God, I missed eight. 
[00:01:08] FAWN: Anyways. B...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>We're talking about telling it like it is, not being worried about looking ugly, and not allowing ourselves to get so offended. Everyone goes through moments where they get offended in a friendship. But have you noticed that in our current culture, as soon as someone gets offended, it's the end of the friendship?<br /><br />Relationships have become disposable because it's so easy to just avoid a person or a certain problem forever, and never want to talk about it again. This takes us back to the saying “How you start something is how you end”. We can't end on a bad note and think that we can go into this other thing and start all over, with a clean slate. The same issues will inevitably come up again. So if we get offended by someone and we end that relationship because we never want to talk to this person again, whatever issue was a charge is going to happen again. That same issue in some other form is going to come up again.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Further discussion leads us to explore when being polite at all costs is ruining our humanity and our relationships/friendships. We explore the delicate balance of telling it like it is, perhaps appearing harsh, but needing to be truthful in order to be good friends. Sometimes being unafraid to look foolish or ugly can save our lives.</strong></span></span></p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>TRANSCRIPT</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Hi </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> everybody. Hello. Welcome. I told you, what did I tell you about the Hello . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:07]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Hello everyone. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Thank you. Hello. Love you. Love is winning.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:15]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> oh dear. This week, today we're talking about giving it to you straight, telling it like it is, right? So I'll tell you how it is, honest. I have to get things off my chest. This week was hard, This week was hard. Uh, Allegra had a meltdown. I'm like, Okay, let's change the perspective. The meltdown happened because of math, which, you know, when I started homeschooling, I started to really love math because, My perspective changed and I got emotional about it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:46]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Like I really wanted to understand this thing that always gave me trouble in school. And then, because I could start from the very beginning, like preschool age up until now, we're like, you know, the kids are like, like big </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:03]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> seventh, ninth, 10th, seventh, eighth, ninth, 10th. God, I missed eight. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Anyways. But you know, they're like doing like pre-calculus, calculus kind of stuff.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:15]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It's, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:15]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> the math is getting more intense </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:16]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> for sure. So, um, alright. So. You know, even though I, I got into a state where I was like, Wow, I get math now. , it's really amazing. I love it. I am still frustrated by it. I still don't understand it, but when I'm able to understand, because now I'm tired with all my years on being on the planet so far dealing with math, I'm like, Okay, fine, fine.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I give up. I give in. I'll just memorize what you're telling me to memorize because as a kid I'm like, How dare you tell me to memorize this bizarre thing? Tell me how you got there. Who discovered this? Why are you making me memorize it and not, you know, ask any questions, like, just memorize this and just do it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:04]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> No, thank you, sir. Do you know what I'm saying? It made me mad. Cause I'm a, I'm a defiant kind of person. Right. And I, I had don't tell </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:11]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> me what to do. Totally different mentality towards the whole thing, which was, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Well, you were taught by good teachers. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:16]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Let's, let's memorize it and let's be as fast as we can and fast and safe as we can and call </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:22]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> it a day.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> See, I just wanted to understand the philosophy of it. Right. Right. It's just, and no one taught me any of that. So, And no one cared about me. Do you know what I'm saying? And that's, Oh, you got this wrong. Oh, well, f. Oh my God, thank you to my 12th grade teacher, because I seriously needed to flunk. She gave me a D minus and I graduated high school.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> But anyway, so since then I've become obsessed with math. I love it, and I really wanna learn trig, all of that. So I'm learning with the kids and thank God we have you Matt, because you actually, this is your jam math. So you're able to make sense of it. And when it, when I do the research before the kids learn it, you teach me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:09]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I'm like, okay, no. Okay, I get it. Ooh. Now I remember from when I was a kid, Like I didn't think that, you know what I mean? I actually remember stuff.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:17]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I feel you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:18]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> but anyway, long story short. Like Allegra had a meltdown. And even though I love math, I gotta tell you, M A T h, mental abuse to humans. That that, oh dear, that comes into my head like it is mental abuse to humans.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I hate it. You know? And then when we get it, I always whisper to Allegra's ear. I used to do it to L two. I'm like, Math is our bitch. And we started laughing . Oh dear. Like once we have a down right. So there was a meltdown. You were trying to teach her like an engineer and you know, we all know like, I don't know any of you out there who had like, Super smart parents.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:59]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Like Matt's, Matt's dad was, uh, rocket scientist. See, I don't think </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:03]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> that's fair. Let's say very, what is it? Left brain, right brain that an super analytic parents, let's call it that. Let's not say super smart, cuz smart comes in all shapes and sizes and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:15]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> colors. I say a rocket scientist trying to give you a math equation explanation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:20]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> They don't have the same vocabulary to say, Hey look, this is what's happening. You are the same way. Matt, when we met, I was trying to go digital with photography , and you were explaining things to me. I'm like, I have no idea what's coming outta your mouth. I have no idea what you're saying. Ex of JP. Ping and you would get so upset.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:40]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> We got into a fight one day and I called Greg, who's this amazing graphic designer who is very tech savvy, who's straddling </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:48]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> both sides of his brain. Right. The left </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:50]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> and the right. Exactly. So he spoke my language. Anyway, so I called Greg. And my nose was stuffy and he immediately said, . Cause I called him at work.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:59]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> You're </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:59]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> talking to that man about computers, aren't you? I know. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:02]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I mean, as soon as I called him, I called him at the office, like he worked at this huge ad agency. I'm like, Greg . He immediately said, Did you get into a computer fight with Matt? I'm like, Yes. He please explain. I, I barely had to tell him what was troubling me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> He's like, Oh. And he just explained in my, in my words, in like, in my language. I'm like, Oh i, I get it now. Thanks. And I'm like, Oh, thank you. Solved. Problem solved in like 10 seconds. Meanwhile, we were at it for like three hours fighting Anyway. You are teaching Allegra the way you do, which is great most of the time, but sometimes that engineering thing comes out in you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:48]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So I'm like, Allegra, let's go on the yard. Let's come on. And she is inconsolable, she's crying, and now we're in the yard. And now she's screaming. I'm like, Oh man, the neighbor's gonna think. I'm like, Uh, an abuser. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:02]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And here's where it gets twisted. She was like super pissed cuz the math wasn't coming out.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:08]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Then we figured out the math and she was getting 'em all right. And I was like, See that? See that? You're getting it. You're getting it. You're, And then she, I still don't understand how that happened. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It's called frustration. Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:21]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> yeah, but we got over the, that level of frustration. We solved the problem </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> was on the bronze level.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> She needed a break. And you're like, No, we need, we need to push through. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:27]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> We do. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:28]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I'm like, No, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:29]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> we did. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:29]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> We needed a break. We needed sunshine and grass and grounding. But even that didn't work. Cause then she was yelling at me. Then she had a full on meltdown. The whole, I swear, miles away could hear her yelling and screaming.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And then she's like, Don't touch me. When I was trying to caress her head like, It's okay, you know? It was horrible. I kept my cool, I thought everything was okay. But I think the stress of that carried on to the next day. Cause the next day I had a meltdown. I. The stress of that, along with the stress of everything else in my life and the things that I have to take care of all came to a head when I was by myself going to get us groceries.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I was standing there trying to get a loaf of bread, find some lettuce, which I can never find. Why is lettuce is so expensive right now? It's terrible. Anyway, I started crying at the store. I'm like, Uh oh, . I haven't done this in a while. And then I'm like, Okay, whatever. I stopped crying, got the groceries, driving home, started crying again.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:36]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Some song came on. I'm like, I just cried. And I thought, Okay, I'm good now. But then I ended up having a meltdown later that day. It's been a hard week. And so anyway, all this to say, When we go through stuff and we're experiencing hardship or things happen, um, yes, we need kindness, but there are sometimes where you need to be told straight or you need to give it to someone straight.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Do you understand what I'm saying? Oh, ab, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:10]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> absolutely. I constant, not constantly, but um, yeah, I remember. I get all my news from England because that way I don't hear American football scores. Welcome to my world. Okay, fine. But I read an ad, a piece on an advice column, and God, this dude. And I was reading it and he sounded completely like, Oh yes, I'm very logical.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:33]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I'm very rational and I'm very composed and I'm very everything. And he's talking about leaving his wife for his daughter's roommate because they bonded and connected and he's feeling that magical, special feeling about her. And I'm shaking my head the advice column lit his underwear on </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:55]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> fire . See, most people don't </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:59]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> do that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:00]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> saying, What are you even thinking?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:02]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> You are an I, I swear to God, she must have said, you insignificant little twit, . It was practically that bad, right? What are you thinking? In what world does this even remotely make </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:16]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> sense? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:17]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> We were talking </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:18]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> about how everyone goes through moments where they get offended in a friendship and how usually what's happening in our culture is as soon as someone gets offended, it's the end of the friendship.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:31]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Right? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:31]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> They just, it's disposable </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:33]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> cause it's so easy to just avoid that problem for the rest of your life. Right. And ne you never need to talk about it. And </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:39]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> this also goes back to the other thing we were saying about how you start something is how you end. So you can't end on a bad note and think that you can go into this other thing and start all over again.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> The same issues will come up, right? So if you get offended by someone and you end that relationship because you never wanna talk to this person again, now you know when it's going to happen again. That same issue in some other form is gonna come up again. Now this is different than dealing with someone that you realize, hey, this is their behavior their entire life, but they're not able to see how they're behaving, that it's borderline abusive or abusive. In that case, please get away from this person that is not your friend. That's not what I'm talking about here. What I'm talking about is we're human beings.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> There's so many things happening. We're bound to get offended, and I'm just saying unless it's a, an abusive relationship, this doesn't count. In that case, if it's not an abusive relationship and you find yourself being offended, like check yourself and be strong enough to maybe perhaps allow for the person to check you, and I find that in the American culture in particular, especially a Caucasian culture, that that doesn't happen.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:07]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And it certainly doesn't happen. I've noticed because now we, you know, we have kids, but I've been noticing it since the kids were born from the instant that they were babies and we could take them to the playground. I have been watching and we have moved a lot, so from city to city, town to town, I've seen this how women treat their sons in partticular.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> They'll treat their children this way, but I've just especially noticed it with, with how men are raised, how boys are raised, that when the boy acts up and has a tantrum and slaps the mother, the mother doesn't correct that child. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:49]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I remember seeing that happen and the child had gotten to a point where they knew exactly how to best strike their mother. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And you knew, And by the way, I've seen this so many times. Frightening. It wasn't just one time we saw, I saw it a lot. Cause that was always at the playground. Mm-hmm. . Right? You were, you know, most of the time we were working. So you were there on the weekends where other guys were there, Like dads were there as well.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:16]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Mm-hmm. , but. If you're in there day in, day out, you see this kind of behavior, especially for someone like me who's on the outskirts of things because I'm not Caucasian. I was always left out of social groups, even at the playgrounds with other moms because they thought I was the maid or the nanny. I was never allowed in that group.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:36]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Right? So I noticed things. I'm like, Look at that. They do not correct their children. And I'm not saying physically correct them. I'm not saying beat them up and spank them. Not at all. What I'm saying is they're not even told, hey, or you know, stop the kid's hand and say, you get, you don't get to hit me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:57]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> You don't get to hit anyone. Right. NO! They don't use the word no because you know, I remember, remember when we had Elle like, they're like, Oh, never use the word no with your children. I'm like, REALLY?! . No ma'am. . And I fell into that too. I remember one day in the kitchen, Elle kept asking for things, and I never used the word no, but I, I, I kind of diverted.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:28]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> No, but I didn't say no. However, how did I do it? But you commented on it. I'm like, oh my God, I am doing that. Like I'm not using the A word no, but I'm definitely letting her know, letting her understand that there's another way. Right. I was always course correcting immediately, even if it's out there in public, I had to course correct. If I saw another kid misbehave,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I immediately, immediately turned to Elle and Allegra. I said, You see that behavior right there, that's not gonna fly. Do you understand that? You don't ever act like that with me, with daddy or anyone else. You understand me? Oh my goodness. It's impossible. Dad. Mama. Yes, mama. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:06]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> It's impossible to watch like a family movie where the kids are doing anything that's, uh, below board,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:14]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> with my wife, without her saying, Oh, I'll, you see how, you see how these kids are acting on this movie? You don't do that. I, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I paused the movie right then and there. That's a teaching experience right there because we tend to ignore bad behavior in our culture, especially in the United States. Cause it's easy in the moment and it's constantly ignored for whatever reasons.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I don't care what the reason is. It's still ignored. I, granted we're busy, we gotta move on. But like, one of the things that I noticed, being a mom to little, little kids. . It's scary, especially being a, a non-white mother at a playground where I'm correcting my children and sometimes my voice is louder than it should be, but I'm still correcting them and saying, You know, that's not okay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:59]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Right. Um, everyone stops and stares at you and it's quite scary cuz you're like, ugh, you're ostracized because you're not like you, you're not ignoring it and you're not being. Like them. Do you know what I'm saying? Well, you're not </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:14]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> keeping quiet. You're not keeping to your place, whatever that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:17]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> place is.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:17]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Yeah. Ugh. So, but that also translates, like I always say, friendship. The way things have progressed in our culture is because of how we were raised. How do you expect to have an understanding of what a true relationship is in friendship when from the very beginning you're taught that you're disposable or you, you have to be over here.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:41]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Oh, you're born, you're gonna go to daycare now. Oh, you're now this old. You're gonna go to the old folks home, that everyone has their own room inside of a house. You're just gonna go in your own room, your own car, your own this, your own that. Everything is so separate in our culture.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:02]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> You know, I was kind, I was kind of raised with both, so I'm like, that's what I mean, It's our home. And no, you're not gonna get kicked out at 18. This is our home. It's our checking account. It is our life together. You're gonna go to college. It's our money. We're all gonna figure out how we're gonna make this happen, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> , there is no, this is mine or this is my space and I'm gonna shut you out. Or do you know what I'm saying? Matt? You're just being quiet. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:33]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Yeah. No abs. Here I go. Yeah, no, absolutely. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:38]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Have you noticed? Every time I say something and Matt is quiet, I look at him. I'm like, Matt, what do you have to say? He goes, Oh, no, no, no, no.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:44]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Yeah, absolutely. He always says those. I do. I usually try to edit </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:48]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> those things out. It gives my brain a, a chance to think. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Thank you. Well just think and say it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:55]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Okay. I'm sorry. Where were we now? I'm confused. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:58]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I don't know. I don't remember. I don't remember. Okay. So we're talking about giving it to you straight.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So what I'm, what I was trying to say is, everything stems from how we are raised. There's a problem with friendship. People forgot the art of friendship. That's because of how we're raised at home. We're not, we're not. Parents, but you know, we don't know how to be friendly. We don't know how to communicate with one another.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:27]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> We don't know how to be in the same room. We don't know how to be still together. The, the pandemic was a great opportunity for everyone to just be still, That's true and be in the same room. But, you know, all I heard was like, um, at so many people think it was funny to send me these gifs these moms saying, Help me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I'm stuck with my kids. You know? I'm like, Oh my God, I wanna be with my kids. I wanna be with you, Matt. If I didn't, I wouldn't be here. Right. I didn't have kids to just have like an accessory to in daycare and Right. Like it's a purse. Like, look at me. I got a kid. You know what I'm saying? I, before we had kids, I'm like, okay, it's not just cute baby.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It's gonna turn into an ugly teenager, maybe that's yelling at you . Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, absolutely. Um, and also I wanna hang out with these kids and I think in our culture we tend to shut everybody away. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:28]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Right, Because I gotta take care of my </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:30]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> personal stuff. I don't know what it is, but you know, even the elderly, like everyone gets their own home.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:36]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Everyone get goes away at some point, right? Everyone gets put into some kind of daycare or something, or a home of some kind, right? And even if it's that, it's a, the home is some other place at age 18. Like go, you're out. Right? You're 18, you're on your own kid. What I'm trying to go for here is, That cooperative feeling like when you play a game, let's play together for one common goal.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:04]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> When we're living together, let's live together. When we're eating, let's eat together, let's share our ideas. I can get offended. You can get offended. We're all living all these different experiences and friendships exactly the way we were living them growing up in our families.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:22]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I've been saying that throughout all the episodes, it goes also back to the same thing again. How you start is how you finish. How you finish is how you start. Absolutely. It's all related. So we were talking about, so obviously this fool who is married and has children and one of his kids has a friend, he's like, I think we have a connection.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:44]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And how this, Was she a therapist? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:46]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> What was she? It's like, Dear Abby, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:48]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> so, but she lit him up. She lit him up. And I'm like, Well, that's rare because I've noticed. Please forgive me guys. It sounds terrible. But I've noticed in the Caucasian culture that it's very, everything is very polite. Certain cultures are very polite and you don't wanna, Well, it's very quiet.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Yeah. And that's another thing I think why people don't like me so much is I'm loud and when I'm happy, I'm like, woo loud. And when I'm angry, I'm loud . You know what I'm saying? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:19]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Oh Lord. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I can also be quiet. But like I have all kinds of, frequencies and volumes </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:24]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> right </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> to me. And that's not acceptable. In a lot of the cultures.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:28]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> It has to be even keeled. It has to be very, um, What's the word for it? Like, what's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:38]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> the word for it? There's a lot of words. We go for unobtrusive and, and everybody has seen this, how when, when people come off the airplane, It used to be, and now I guess we we're not waiting the gates anymore, blah, blah, blah.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:53]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Haven't done that for years and years and years. But you see it in the movies where like somebody comes off the airplane and they see this person they haven't seen in in years, and everybody yells and screams and, Oh my God, I can't believe you're here. Have you ever seen that in real life? I never have.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:11]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And I remember tripping out </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> on that. Unless it's me that's in that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:16]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Exactly. But it's always very dignified, like, Yes, let's go </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> get your bags. Have you noticed like even pain, and I'm killed of this too, actually, Like, I refuse to be loud when I'm in pain, right? Like when we went to the hospital and I was giving birth to Elle, I'm like, I'm not gonna yell.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:34]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> They're like, No, you need to yell and like let it out. I'm like, Nope, there will be no grunting and no yelling. Because that really, um, is, um, scary to me, right? It's a trigger for me, and I'm sure being loud is triggering to other people. I get it. I. I forgot what I was gonna </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:53]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> say. Well, I can, I can take off on this.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:56]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Oh my Lord. Cuz yet we're all over the place today, folks. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> No, I wanna hone it in though. Okay. Quickly say what you're gonna say. It's, it's not a quick thing to say. Just say it. It's too late. Go </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:06]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> ahead. So I'm working at a big company and we went through the, um, active shooter. Training.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:15]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Oh</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:15]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> my God. You did. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:16]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> We did.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:16]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Because we have warehouses and we have offices and everybody needs to be aware of all this crap now. My two big takeaways, so there was a fire in a nightclub and a lot of people died and that's a really a shame. And one of the things they found out was there was a big old plate glass window that everybody was afraid to break and it would've saved so many people and people were afraid to go into the employee area to look for an exit.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:44]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Everybody tried to crowd crowd out the front doors. That's why. Because, Because people were afraid. The other big takeaway, and, and this one's tragic and I'm sorry, I'm gonna do this to even myself cause I'm gonna get messed up cuz even just, I've talked about this with one or two people and I always get choked up.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:02]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> So I'm gonna go through this super fast and hopefully I won't. Um, but they talk about if you get shot, the difference between whether or not you live or die is in your own head, cuz you go into shock. If your thought is, I'm gonna get through this,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:23]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> If your thought is, I'm gonna get through this, you will. If your thought is, Why is this happening to me? What's going on? You're in trouble. You're in big. It's all mental. So you have to not be afraid. You have to be, not be afraid to be loud. You have to be not be afraid to share. You have to not be afraid to be stupid.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:44]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> You have to not be afraid. You </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:46]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> have to not be afraid of looking ugly. I think that's a problem with women. Why women are attacked. With, self defense that women are afraid to yell and say no, they're afraid to look ugly.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And so therefore you can't protect yourself. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:03]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And also they're afraid to look stupid because this guy wasn't really following you to your car to do bad things to you. He was just going the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:10]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> same way. See, this is what I'm talking about. You don't wanna offend someone, God forbid you offend someone that you don't even know.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:15]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> That you don't even know. So you're gonna sacrifice your well-being, your, your life, your </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:21]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> possible safety and everything else, because at the risk of offending </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> may look stupid or offending somebody. Yeah. And that goes for a friendship. So what I've noticed from the very beginning is, wow, like people don't give it to you straight.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:37]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> They don't talk to you and everything is kind of superficial. So, alright. So one of our kids did something really stupid today, this morning, and we just spent hours talking about it and I. and I told her a story cuz I, she's like, Okay, I get it, I get it. I'm so sorry. I get it, I get it, I get it. I'm like, I don't know if you really do, because I wasn't raised properly, but I had a great teacher in the third grade, eight years old, Mrs.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:07]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Wilkinson. Right. She, one day had, um, didn't show up to class. So we were all sitting there waiting, and then the principal comes in and says, I'm sorry, Mrs. Wilkinson got into a traffic accident. She's not gonna be here today. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:21]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Today. Well now, Now wait a second.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:23]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> How did you feel about Ms. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Wilkinson? I loved Mrs. Wilkinson so much. I loved her. I felt closer to her than my parents because she actually gave a, She cared about all of us. She cared about me. She was such a great teacher. She was lovely in all ways. I loved her, loved her, and I looked forward to going to school, and I was never a good student.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I loved going to school because of Mrs. Wilkinson. I loved the way she taught. I loved, I felt safe, I felt inspired. Um, I never liked to read. But I loved going into the beautiful reading nook that she created, and I loved touching all the books and reading the books. I loved her The Greatest Teacher. So anyways, so the principal comes in.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> So the principal comes in, said, Mrs. Wilkinson, won't be here today. She got into an accident, so all the other kids loved her too. But what did we do in unison we stood up and cheered like, yay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:39]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> And um, and you, you know, we didn't think anything about it. All we were thinking was no school. Yay, no class. Yay. So, Mrs. Wilkinson found out, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:49]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> of course, because the principal's right </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:50]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> there. I mean, come on. Oh my goodness. We got a talking to when she came to. and I remember it went on and on and on. Much like how our kid was like, I get it, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:04]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I'm like, No, I don't know if you do. Cuz I remembered Mrs. Wilkinson telling us her perspective, right? Of her finding out that we cheered, that she got into an accident, we cheered that she wasn't going to be there. And she explained to us . And she explain. How that is from her perspective.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Right. How awful it is that we cheered her mis misfortune and we supposedly love her and she cares for us. And like it just, she, she </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:36]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> talks and you should cheer anybody's misfortune. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:40]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Shouldn't. Is that what you said? Yeah. Well you said </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:43]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> you should. I was offering that up as bait for you to do that. Yes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Anyway, but I remember to this day, I'm decades later, I think about this lesson. I wouldn't say every day, but every time I learned something, I recall how she made that point and made it very clear. Had I not heard her, had I not heard Mrs. Wilkinson yell at us like that and try to explain it to us. Because I, I tried to explain it to you and Allegra this morning, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:22]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Right. I said, if Mrs. Wilkinson came in and said, You know, that wasn't very nice. Do to others on, you know, whatever that is. Like, you have to treat people the way you wanna be treated. Please don't do that. It would, that message would not have gotten through. Decades later, it is still affecting me. That lesson that I learned from her being so upset with us and explaining, breaking it down what idiots we were right to not care for your fellow human being to cheer like that, not be concerned about their welfare, just be concerned about your own</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:10]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> stupid I don't get to work today. And you're not worried about her. She got into an accident we nobody asked. We were just like, Yay. No school to be so what's the word for it? Entitled To have that kind of disrespect, it just blows me away. And I see that on the playground. I see that with people with friendships, how they treat each.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:34]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> At the risk of offending someone, You don't set anyone straight, and we need to, we need to have a Mrs. Wilkinson approach in like letting you know you're an idiot. What was that behavior about? You know what I'm saying? Still. Dang. I'm feeling accused over here, folks. I'm sorry. Just because I'm looking at you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I'm not talking </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:55]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> you right now. I know I'm feeling that way, but no, I've been in conversations with friends of mine and I've been like, You know, when they say something that is just inherently foolish, I call them on it. I do. And I'm like, You know that this is what you're really up to, right? And they're like, Dang.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:15]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Well, you know, even that, that seems very nice of you. Like. I'm glad they got it. I just feel like I have to say, What the hell? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:26]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> what? Whereas I have to say, Are you sure? Mm, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:30]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I know. See, I don't know. I don't know if it'll work. I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:33]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> know every time that's, that's how I roll, unfortunately. Well, fortunately or unfortunately, I need to get a little more edge, I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:38]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> suppose.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:39]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Well, maybe it'll need to cuz you're a man and you're white and you're big. Well, the other </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:43]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> thing that's key though is, and I'm little, this is only after. We've, we've, we've, we share, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> we you're talking about you and your buddy. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:52]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I go, me and my, some of my buddies. Yes. Danny, Tim, Jim. But yeah. You know, he'll, he'll yell at me when I deserve it and I'll yell at him when he deserves it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:01]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> And we, we just expect that because, you know, there is never. Nobody lives an entire lifetime without pulling some stupid mistakes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Right? Of course. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:14]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> So once you realize that, and it's a two-way street, then be honest. For goodness sake, don't be afraid. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I just, Yeah, Don't be afraid to look ugly. If you have someone in your life that sees like an instant of ugly, whatever ugly is to them, like, Oh God, for forbid you raise your voice and like you express your opinion.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:37]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> If that's a deal breaker, well then good riddance BYE. That happened to me with the yoga bitches, you know, And then, and then they come and apologize. I'm like, No, because your behavior will not stop.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:47]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> I could say, Okay, , you know, I could go, I could, I could think about it, but I know that this is kind of an abusive pattern that's never gonna break with these people, right? So I took, I took myself out of that situation. I took the girls out of that situation. We never spoke to them again.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Exactly. But it's different. I'm saying we all need to still be, unless it's an abusive relationship, that's not gonna stop. We need to be schooled. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:18]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> We need to hold each other accountable for their actions. And we need to, we need to, Yeah. Call it like you see it and don't be afraid. Right. That's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:25]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> it. Okay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> That's it. I, I don't wanna talk too long.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:28]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> That I would, I took this conversation in a direction I was not, I was ill and prepared to take it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> in. What do you mean? What direction was that? The active shooter? Yeah. Why did that make you cry? Is it because of what happened to you A few years ago? Matt almost died.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:43]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> ao, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> and he always talks about how throughout all of it, he knew he was, he just told himself he was gonna be OK.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Even at the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:53]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> absolute worst. Yeah. And the absolute worst was had I known how bad the absolute worst was . But anyways, that's beside the point. Cuz I certainly knew I was pretty F'd, but I didn't understand. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:07]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> But is that why you were crying, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:09]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> you think? Um, there's just, it's just, it's messed up when you start having empathy for people who have been shot.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:16]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I. , you know, and, and you should have empathy for people who are shot, but then you put yourself in the same situation. You're like, Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:22]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> and the thing is, in the American culture, little kids in preschools go through shooter drills. Right. Active shooter drills. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:31]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I know. And I, I have no idea. I have no idea how they do it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:35]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> This was a traumatic experience for me. You mean going through that, going, going through the actor shooter, drill, training, training. Not a drill. It was just training. It was just somebody talking. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:46]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Yeah. Preschoolers are taught to get on a toilet seat and lift their legs up. Right. Like the, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:54]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> it's unbelievable Here.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:58]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> I am not being afraid to say something, but this is unbelievable to </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> me. Yeah. Uh, welcome to our American society. There you go. Um, anyway, And how can the, how Nevermind I won't go there. Okay. So, That's it guys. , shoot it straight. Don't say shoot. Edit that out, . No, it's okay. Be honest. Be truthful. You know, don't be afraid to look ugly.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:25]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Your friends will love you regardless if they're true friends. We all know that. So don't be afraid to look ugly. Matt is waving goodbye. All right, we'll talk to you in a few days. Love you. Be well. Our friendly world podcast.com. Please go there. Tell other people to download our show. Leave us a review, a kind review, please , and uh, let's see what else, What else, what else?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>FAWN:</strong></span> Yeah, we wanna be friends. If you wanna hang out with us, email us. Okay. Love you. Bye. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:55]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>MATT:</strong></span> Be well.</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[We're talking about telling it like it is, not being worried about looking ugly, and not allowing ourselves to get so offended. Everyone goes through moments where they get offended in a friendship. But have you noticed that in our current culture, as soon as someone gets offended, it's the end of the friendship?Relationships have become disposable because it's so easy to just avoid a person or a certain problem forever, and never want to talk about it again. This takes us back to the saying “How you start something is how you end”. We can't end on a bad note and think that we can go into this other thing and start all over, with a clean slate. The same issues will inevitably come up again. So if we get offended by someone and we end that relationship because we never want to talk to this person again, whatever issue was a charge is going to happen again. That same issue in some other form is going to come up again.
Further discussion leads us to explore when being polite at all costs is ruining our humanity and our relationships/friendships. We explore the delicate balance of telling it like it is, perhaps appearing harsh, but needing to be truthful in order to be good friends. Sometimes being unafraid to look foolish or ugly can save our lives.

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[00:00:01] FAWN: everybody. Hello. Welcome. I told you, what did I tell you about the Hello . 
[00:00:07] MATT: Hello everyone. 
[00:00:08] FAWN: Thank you. Hello. Love you. Love is winning.
[00:00:15] FAWN: oh dear. This week, today we're talking about giving it to you straight, telling it like it is, right? So I'll tell you how it is, honest. I have to get things off my chest. This week was hard, This week was hard. Uh, Allegra had a meltdown. I'm like, Okay, let's change the perspective. The meltdown happened because of math, which, you know, when I started homeschooling, I started to really love math because, My perspective changed and I got emotional about it.
[00:00:46] FAWN: Like I really wanted to understand this thing that always gave me trouble in school. And then, because I could start from the very beginning, like preschool age up until now, we're like, you know, the kids are like, like big 
[00:01:03] MATT: seventh, ninth, 10th, seventh, eighth, ninth, 10th. God, I missed eight. 
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>How to make friends when life has changed? How do we make friends when our life has completely changed? And that change could be a move, it could be being in a completely different situation, a new job, people we love passing away, or we give birth, become parents, etc, etc. Things open and close. Things happen, and life changes. That's when we start looking around to see if we have friends for real around us; someone to call, to be with us, to hold our hand; someone we can just walk down the street with, someone to be our witness in life. How can we make friends when life has completely changed or changed a little bit?<br /><br />How do we make friends when we're going through a transformation?<br /><br />It's like jumping into a beautiful lake, but you don't want to because it's gonna be a shocking cold temperature or something. Whatever it is, it's going to be uncomfortable for a few seconds. But Once we're in there, the water's fine and we can open our arms, glide, and enjoy life.</p>
<p>In this episode, we discuss steps to take to make new friends in a new place.</p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>How to move to make friends moving to a new place - TRANSCRIPT</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. Hello. We are back. Here we are. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:03]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello everybody. How are you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:04]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> doing? Good job, Matt. . I was just telling Matt every time we start the show, hello? He just says hello. I'm like, it just sounds like I spliced your voice in saying hello like a puppet. No. Good. So here he is, everybody. Matt. Hello. Oh my God.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So. I made a new podcast friend last week. Actually we met weeks ago, but mm-hmm. . I was on his podcast. His name is Adam,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:35]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:35]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> his podcast is podcasting Business school. So check that out. I think, it's good even if you're not a podcaster, to listen to him because he makes great business sense. . And if you look at it, if you look at people who are doing really well in business, they're actually, you can use their advice also for friendship.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:57]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But anyway, we were talking and yeah, that's how, how I was doing, I'm like, Oh, you know, finally got through, unpacking the last box. You know, it's been nuts. , he's like, I move too, he. Uh, I think a month and a half before we did, or two months before we did. Mm-hmm. And, and I do recall when we met in this huge forum through Podfest. I think he glanced at our podcast. He didn't know about us. But he was like, Oh, friendship. Well if you're gonna do it, I hope you're doing it on. Like how do I actually teach people to make friends? I'm like, I'm like, Is he talking to me? I think he was talking to me. Cause we were the only o...</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[How to make friends when life has changed? How do we make friends when our life has completely changed? And that change could be a move, it could be being in a completely different situation, a new job, people we love passing away, or we give birth, become parents, etc, etc. Things open and close. Things happen, and life changes. That's when we start looking around to see if we have friends for real around us; someone to call, to be with us, to hold our hand; someone we can just walk down the street with, someone to be our witness in life. How can we make friends when life has completely changed or changed a little bit?How do we make friends when we're going through a transformation?It's like jumping into a beautiful lake, but you don't want to because it's gonna be a shocking cold temperature or something. Whatever it is, it's going to be uncomfortable for a few seconds. But Once we're in there, the water's fine and we can open our arms, glide, and enjoy life.
In this episode, we discuss steps to take to make new friends in a new place.
 
 
How to move to make friends moving to a new place - TRANSCRIPT
[00:00:00] Fawn: Okay. Hello. We are back. Here we are. 
[00:00:03] Matt: Hello everybody. How are you 
[00:00:04] Fawn: doing? Good job, Matt. . I was just telling Matt every time we start the show, hello? He just says hello. I'm like, it just sounds like I spliced your voice in saying hello like a puppet. No. Good. So here he is, everybody. Matt. Hello. Oh my God.
[00:00:24] Fawn: So. I made a new podcast friend last week. Actually we met weeks ago, but mm-hmm. . I was on his podcast. His name is Adam,
[00:00:35] Fawn: and 
[00:00:35] Fawn: his podcast is podcasting Business school. So check that out. I think, it's good even if you're not a podcaster, to listen to him because he makes great business sense. . And if you look at it, if you look at people who are doing really well in business, they're actually, you can use their advice also for friendship.
[00:00:57] Fawn: But anyway, we were talking and yeah, that's how, how I was doing, I'm like, Oh, you know, finally got through, unpacking the last box. You know, it's been nuts. , he's like, I move too, he. Uh, I think a month and a half before we did, or two months before we did. Mm-hmm. And, and I do recall when we met in this huge forum through Podfest. I think he glanced at our podcast. He didn't know about us. But he was like, Oh, friendship. Well if you're gonna do it, I hope you're doing it on. Like how do I actually teach people to make friends? I'm like, I'm like, Is he talking to me? I think he was talking to me. Cause we were the only o...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>How to make friends when life has changed? How do we make friends when our life has completely changed? And that change could be a move, it could be being in a completely different situation, a new job, people we love passing away, or we give birth, become parents, etc, etc. Things open and close. Things happen, and life changes. That's when we start looking around to see if we have friends for real around us; someone to call, to be with us, to hold our hand; someone we can just walk down the street with, someone to be our witness in life. How can we make friends when life has completely changed or changed a little bit?<br /><br />How do we make friends when we're going through a transformation?<br /><br />It's like jumping into a beautiful lake, but you don't want to because it's gonna be a shocking cold temperature or something. Whatever it is, it's going to be uncomfortable for a few seconds. But Once we're in there, the water's fine and we can open our arms, glide, and enjoy life.</p>
<p>In this episode, we discuss steps to take to make new friends in a new place.</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>How to move to make friends moving to a new place - TRANSCRIPT</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. Hello. We are back. Here we are. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:03]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello everybody. How are you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:04]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> doing? Good job, Matt. . I was just telling Matt every time we start the show, hello? He just says hello. I'm like, it just sounds like I spliced your voice in saying hello like a puppet. No. Good. So here he is, everybody. Matt. Hello. Oh my God.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So. I made a new podcast friend last week. Actually we met weeks ago, but mm-hmm. . I was on his podcast. His name is Adam,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:35]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:35]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> his podcast is podcasting Business school. So check that out. I think, it's good even if you're not a podcaster, to listen to him because he makes great business sense. . And if you look at it, if you look at people who are doing really well in business, they're actually, you can use their advice also for friendship.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:57]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But anyway, we were talking and yeah, that's how, how I was doing, I'm like, Oh, you know, finally got through, unpacking the last box. You know, it's been nuts. , he's like, I move too, he. Uh, I think a month and a half before we did, or two months before we did. Mm-hmm. And, and I do recall when we met in this huge forum through Podfest. I think he glanced at our podcast. He didn't know about us. But he was like, Oh, friendship. Well if you're gonna do it, I hope you're doing it on. Like how do I actually teach people to make friends? I'm like, I'm like, Is he talking to me? I think he was talking to me. Cause we were the only ones with a friendship podcast.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:38]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You talking to me, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:39]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I don't see nobody else. You must be talking to me. And I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:41]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> was thinking, Well if you only listen, you do realize that every episode actually, we get into that. Right. We get into all aspects of life, which is all about connecting with one another. Anyway, we were talking. So anyway, this episode is especially for you, Adam.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:58]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Adam from Podcasting Business School podcast. All right, here we go. So, you know, go back actually, And there are, we just moved, right? So he wanted, Adam wants to know, well, how do you make friends when you move to a new town? Right. My thing is, let's just rephrase that. You don't have to move to be in that situation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:20]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> How do you make friends when your life has changed? How do you make friends when your life has completely changed? And that could be a move. Things change, you're in a completely different </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:31]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> situation. Well, new job or </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> absolutely. Somebody passes away or you give birth. Things open and close. Things happen, and life changes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:43]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's when you start looking around to see, do I have friends for real around me? Someone I can call to be with me, to hold my hand, Someone I can just walk down the street with someone to be my witness in life. And, and I'm not saying Matt just is smirking at me right now by being your witness, I mean, look, I'll just use us as an example.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:09]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Matt and I have experienced and seen some stuff and I'm like, Thank God you were standing next to me because that was absurd. Right? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:17]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:18]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But you saw what I saw. You heard what I heard. You experienced what I experienced. We need that. We need that. Other way we, we feel like we're going nuts. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:27]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Crazy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:28]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Especially when we try and explain it to someone else and they're like that. You obviously misinterpreted or. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:36]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. You're making it up or Yeah, I know. Yeah. You misunderstood. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:40]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I can't believe that. No. Dot dot. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:42]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right. Right. So here we go. How do we make friends when your life has completely changed or changed a little bit?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:50]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Whatever, you've, you've gone through a transition. Like that transition word always scared me. Like I remember hearing that word pop up, uh, about, I don't know, 10 years. Transition. You're going through transition. I'm like, what? It just, I don't know. It, it, it's too much. Whatever. Life is about change, life is about transformation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So how do you make friends when you're going through a transformation? And if you go back a few episodes, that's really what we have been talking about because that's what Matt and I have been going through. Major, major transformation. And if you go back, look at the episode called</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> "Earth is a Small Town and Everyone is Your Friend" because that's our first time going out in public. And actually, remember Matt, we went to a coffee shop in town where we moved to and did a recording. We got permission from the coffee shop, we got permission from everybody. We all sat down and kind of took over this coffee shop in one area, and did an in person with some people we became friends with, some really cool people we became friends with and. Really what you're gonna hear on that episode or what you hear on that episode is our very first conversation other than, Hi, nice to meet you. Uh, you know, figuring out what you have in common really quick, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:17]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Let's hang out sometime, right? So our, let's hang out next time was we just took all our quiet recording gear, right? , We showed up and had coffee and we started the conversation. And so I think it's a good example of how to do that, because we talked about how we all met, how we were all feeling before we even said hello to each other.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:40]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So what was going on in our minds? What, you know, the dialogue that pops up that makes you think, I can't talk to this person. Mm-hmm. , for whatever reason, like we all, explained what was happening in our minds when we first met, that would've kept us from talking, that would've kept us from becoming friends.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:58]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But we pushed through, We all pushed through somehow, and then we got into, well, how do you keep a friend? How do you go beyond that meeting and speaking, being brave enough to speak and actually getting together and, you know, we talked about poop. We talked about , how everybody gets. Meaning that everybody goes through something and you end up getting offended or offending someone.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And in our society, in our culture, well that's the end of the friendship right there. Right? Why? You know? Right. And if you really want to have a blossoming, beautiful flowering friendship, you, everybody poops, . Everybody is poopy at some point. And you have to decide how you can move through. , and I'm not saying move through all of it because some people are poopy and you don't, you should not be around that at all.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And that's not what we're talking about. We're just talking about, little idiosyncrasies or little hangups that can happen. Misunderstandings. Right, right. And having the ability to see what it is and move through it. So that's a good episode. "Earth is a small town and everyone is your friend."</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's the episode you should look into. It was just a few episodes back. Also we did an episode. How you End is How you Begin, and it talks about exactly that, that whether it's starting a new job or moving to a new place, starting something new. Look at how you're ending something, even if it doesn't seem like it's related, always end on a clear note. In order for it not to show up again, make sure you tie up all loose ends emotionally, physically, in every way. And then there was that other episode we did the FedEx delivery. When you look at ways the world could just show you openings to make a friend, you have to take it open that door. Don't be afraid.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:59]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> There's an opportunity for you that you normally may skip over. So that's what that episode is talking about, the FedEx Delivery. And a common thing that Matt and I do is we have a notebook. So we did a whole episode on the Notebook, and it's not like that scary, sad movie. It's actually , it's actually a tool we use</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> to not only keep track of our thoughts and our daily magical things that happen, writing them down, it's a way to understand things better for yourself and also understanding other people. Cuz you're, you're taking note, you're really paying attention. Anyway, back to Adam. So let's start, how do you make friends when you first moved to a new place or</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:50]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> your life has changed. So we did it. I'll start off by saying, I get it. I get it. We have so much we're taking care of. We are tired, we feel so stressed out. Right? There are so many things going on, especially in the United States, and I think actually it's now happening around the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:09]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> world, and especially when you're in a state of transition.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:12]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> All of a sudden something in your life is kind of thrown </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:15]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> up in the air </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:16]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and things are breaking. , </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:18]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh my Lord, don't get me started on breakage </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> today. Our refrigerator seems to be doing some crazy wackadoodle stuff. Anyway, . Um, but every day, every day it's something. Just when you think, Oh my God, I can barely handle this.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:33]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Something else comes along and I get it. You don't, you don't have time to go out and drive somewhere meet someone and talk to them. This is gonna sound terrible, but I'm going to use the word forced. I force myself to go out there several levels when I, it's hard for me, being a germophobe even before the pandemic, to suddenly be around a bunch of people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right, Right. And in person. In person. So I've made myself go out there without a mask and sit with people and actually hug people and start conversations where truthfully, I would rather be in our little home that I've finally put together where it's cozier and I can enjoy the, all the knickknacks that I put out.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:27]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Enjoy a nice cup of tea and just be quiet because I've been going, going, going for so long and things have been so stressful. Yeah, it's easier to stay at home and curl up under a beautiful fluffy blanket and watch days of our lives. That's what I do. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:43]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh dear.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:44]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Don't judge me </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:45]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> too</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> late, . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:46]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So whatever it is you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It is hard to get over that inertia. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:51]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:52]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> big time. Especially like waking up on a random Sunday and just being like, I could just stay home all day, but anyways, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:03]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Or I have to take care of the kids. I have to cook, I have to do laundry, I have to fix this. I have to take care of this appointment. There's a lot going on.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> My job, everything. I know it sounds bad, but I forced myself to do this. And then when I, I remember like, um, okay, so recently I met some new people and we said, Okay, let's meet at this coffee shop. And I would sit in the car and I would have to push myself to get outta the car because I'm like, I felt like I was going on a job interview</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:33]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. And, and you know what? There are a lot of similarities. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:38]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> because you're going into something new, they may turn you down. Right you're trying to show exactly who you are in a short span of time </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:45]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and yet a good version of yourself. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, not me, I don't care. Everybody's, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:51]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> everybody's got ugliness to them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:53]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I think I, I, I show the ugly, I, I show all of it, like I said, to show all about myself because I'd rather you see all the things that you may not like about me from the beginning, because if you're not in it with me, then I'd rather know immediately. Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:10]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> there are levels. I typically don't let people know for a while that I'm vegan just because it, it, there's so much baggage that goes along with </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:20]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:20]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But you know what? That's your hangup. Who cares. Who cares what you eat? Nobody cares </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:24]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> what? What you eat. You know what? People do care. Sadly, they </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:27]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> do. Yes. That's because they're judging. Is that why? Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:31]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> one of the guys I work with smokes meat, for goodness sake, . Okay? Another guy was going on vacation to go fishing </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:39]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> so? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:40]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:41]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's what they do. You see, you're judge. Are you judging them? I'm not </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:43]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> judging them, but I don't, I want them to be, Feel free to share that information with me. I know people and not feel uncomfortable about it. And plus, there's the whole stigma about being vegan. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:55]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay? I know it must </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:55]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> be this way, that way the other way, it's the same way.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:57]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> If you tell somebody you're born again, Christian, there's baggage that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> comes along with that. You know what? . I think my, my way of going about things is, look, I'm a vegan. I'm not standing on a soapbox kind of vegan I am. This is what </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:13]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I, You're defending and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> justifying. Yeah. Because I have to just let 'em know, Look, I'm not gonna rain on your parade for smoking meat.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:20]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right. I'm not gonna rain on your parade because you're eating fish. I don't , you know, live and let live. True. I'm just telling you. Right. I don't do that. I'm with you, but I'm not judging you for doing it. Okay. Absolutely. Most of the time. So anyway, . Well, I mean, if you're gonna, nevermind, if you're gonna really get into like why we're vegan, it's atrocious, atrocious, atrocious, atrocious, atrocious.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:43]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Anyway. What happens to all living beings, including plants? Way, I wanna get into it. Whatever. So do you, You understand? You get the gist of what I'm saying, right? All right. So I'm sitting in my car and I'm like, Oh, I don't wanna go in. I'm scared but I did it anyway. And it was so funny because as I was talking to this woman and Tracy, Hello, She actually said the same thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:10]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> She said the same. I didn't say it. I did not say it, but she said it. She said she was having a hard time coming here and her daughter had to talk her into it. . See? Oh, it'll be fun. It'll be fun. You're meeting someone new. You're gonna have coffee. Yay. You have, everybody has these feelings. You just have to get over it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:29]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It's like jumping into a beautiful lake, but you don't want to because it's gonna be a shocking cold temperature or something. Whatever it is, it's going to be uncomfortable for a few seconds. But Once you're in there, the water's fine and you can open your arms and glide and enjoy, and it's the same thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:50]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It's the same thing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:52]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So how do you make friends when you first move into a town? When you go about your daily business, you're going to the grocery store, you probably have to go to the hardware store cause things are breaking where you're living. Hello? You are going, Where else have we gone? Oh, dealing with the trash, you know, recycling.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> There are people around you all the time. People you normally ignore. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:17]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Frankly, I know, and I, I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> know for whatever reason, class issues. Do you, do you talk to your male person? Do you talk to the person who picks up the recycling, picks up garbage? They are human beings. Hello? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:33]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> True. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:34]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh my goodness. So, yes. The UPS person, the FedEx person, Shout out to Kenny.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:41]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Ups. Thank you so much. I see him on the street now and I'll wave like a crazy person and it takes him a second to go. Oh yeah, that's that lady. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:49]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> That's a crazy </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:49]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> one. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> With all the boxes anyway. There are opportunities everywhere. That's where the notebook comes in. Write everything down. Who you meet, what's their name, what do they like, what's they look like?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:02]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Um, I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:03]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> don't know. Right? I take notes as far as like per um, if they tell me they have a spouse and their name or a birthday or whatever. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So there's all these things to do. And don't forget the neighbors. Sending thank you cards for everything. Have a stack of thank you cards. People are shocked. The, uh, plumber came in and we spent so many dollars, like, Oh my god, thousands.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:28]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:28]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> we, there was a lot of interesting things </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:30]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> to fix. I gave him a thank you card while he was here. Mm-hmm. , and he was shocked, of course. He's like, No one's ever given me a thank you card, . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:39]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right, right. They just gimme money and that's good. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:42]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But I, I gave him a thank you card and, and. Piece of advice because he's like, What is this?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:48]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> This is interesting. I would like to try it too. It was a filter we were using and he had to install it. And, um, yeah, like I, I don't trust our water system anywhere. I don't, I don't trust the government taking care of stuff. I don't. And hello, we're now finding out yes, all these places have problems with water.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So yeah, I have a special device for making sure the water is clean. and the plumber didn't know about it, about this particular thing, so whatever. I gave him the info. Right. And I also thanked him for helping our home. Mm-hmm. , making our home better. But, you know, made friends there, you know, made friends with everyone We have come into contact with.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:31]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And now Matt, you are seeming like you're totally on board. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:35]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:36]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> do, don't I? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:36]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and everything. But have you actually taken this advice fully because Okay, you meet someone, you say hi, you may even go out for coffee with them. People tend to drop the ball there. It's like, Okay, I've Enough</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:50]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> true </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:50]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> BYE no, you need to keep at it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You need to keep your muscles, It's like running. Yeah, you can run for five seconds. You can't go. Okay I did it! No, keep going. There's a hump that you need to go over, if that makes any sense. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:08]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It No, it totally does </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:09]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> until it becomes normal. Right. You know, like, um, a long time ago I worked for the Aveda Corporation and the ceo, the owner of the corporation, always talked about synthetic things like a synthetic scent.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:25]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And how our noses are so accustomed to smelling fabricated things, synthetic chemicals that we think these synthetic chemicals are natural, right? A lot of products that exist out there, it's not really coming from a plant. It is a chemical that's produced in a lab that's really not good for you. People will smell or eat something and think this is natural, but once your body</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> comes into contact with the source of nature, it remembers exactly what the truth is, and that's with everything in life. When you come into contact with it, your body knows. Your soul knows what is going on. Your soul, your nose knows this is actual Jasmine I'm smelling. This is actual coffee I'm smelling.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:18]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So you know what true friendship feels like when you come in contact with it and then soon it will become the natural way of things, the way it used to. And I think that we can get there in our society. We can do that. But we have to flex our muscles again and we have to maybe be uncomfortable for a few minutes, but we can get there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:42]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Matt is taking notes, if you heard tick tick. I could hear that . Anyways, so, So we're talking, but Matt, have you been doing </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:52]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> this? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:54]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So anyways? Mm-hmm. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:56]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Mm. What's going on, Matt? Not </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:58]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> too, The thing about it is, folks, yes, my wife is 100% right? Absolutely. No question. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:09]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Why do you say my wife, Like the king of the hill, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:14]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> anyways, so Matt's wife is absolutely correct , </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> so messed up,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:23]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Uh, the thing is, is you know, when you go out into the world, You have to A, be patient, and B, have an incredible sense of curiosity about you. You're gonna find those things to ask questions about and people are much more comfortable talking to you if you're asking them questions, and certainly questions about things that they're </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:46]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> interested in.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:46]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yes, Yes. Matt, you sound very wise, but tell Tell our friends the truth. What is happening? Well, no, that's the truth. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:52]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> That is absolutely the truth. No, the truth is I have been very impatient. Mm-hmm. And just, I just want to get done with whatever it is I'm out in the world </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> to do. Our neighbor has been wanting to make friends with Matt going out of his way to get special stuff.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> He totally has. And you like when they show up at the door, you're like, I don't even know how to describe it to you guys. Matt just stands there, grabs it and runs away like. You're like a robot. Like, and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm like, What happened? I, And you did this several times and that's just it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:23]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> What's happening? Okay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:24]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> What's going on right now is, unfortunately, or fortunately, my next door neighbor, he is too quick witted for me. , This never happens. He's like, bam, fast and funny, and I'm, I'm struggling. I can't keep up. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:42]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So don't, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:43]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So we fence, we don't talk. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But why do you need to </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:46]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> fence? I need to stop that. And I'm in the process of stopping that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:49]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Okay. But </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:50]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> it's hard. So does that mean you're in </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:52]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I like being the funny </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:53]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> guy. Oh, honey. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:57]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh honey, you are not funny. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Matt, you're funny when you're not funny. You're funny when you're trying not to be funny. I don't wanna be accidentally funny. You know what? You're funny when truly you are not thinking about it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I mean, have you noticed? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:14]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And that's the problem. I'm thinking too much. Exactly, and fencing too much, and I have to stop doing that. I have to be, I'm not being, I'm not being truly genuine because I want to be funny. Ding, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> ding, ding. Genuine. Be yourself. My God. That's my, Is that what you wrote down? What's that word right </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:34]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> there?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:34]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I, I can't, It's a squiggle. It looks like it says glucose, but it means it is genuine. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:41]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So what happened?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:43]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm the funny one. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:44]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> No, but what happened when? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:46]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> What happened to what? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:47]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> All of a sudden you're like, you freeze up. I know. Well, because I'm </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:52]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> trying to think of like the funniest thing to say. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah, but you know better I, what happened.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:58]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm also busy still grappling with my workmates. I, I made progress with one of them this week, which was very, very awesome. And my work mates, it's especially difficult </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:08]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and I, you know, I'm, you know, we obviously we have work in common, but it's, it's about finding more than that and it's about being genuine inside of that. And then there's the politics of, of work as well. Because we look at what each other does, and we help each other and we we teach each other. So it's, it's an interesting delicate balancing act to maintain all of this and still maintain a professional </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:34]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> attitude.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:35]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> All right. Well, let's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:35]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> get back to how do you make friends when you move into a new place? You </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:39]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> need to be patient. You need to be </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:41]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> curious. No. If you say you need to be patient, people are just gonna just stay home. And like not do anything because you have to let go </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:49]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> of being patient. You have to let go of your busy life and you have to go out there and do it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:55]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You have to just do it. Well, the trick is the trick with, Okay, so the trick with me is that I'm always in a hurry when I'm out. I guy shop everywhere, which just means I know the five things I, I need to get. I've already in my head mapped out how to get 'em and I get out. Boom, boom, boom. Fast as I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> can. And actually you have gotten mad at me because you're like, you're like pointing to and tapping your watch.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:19]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, I'm trying to make a connection at the store. Yeah. Stop it. Gosh. Right, right. And that's where I make all my friends is at when we're out and about. But you are very well, Did I do that to you? Y. I don't remember. No, yesterday was great, but I did feel the pressure because you, you do usually do that to me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:40]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I know. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:40]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And I was feeling like, and I was trying to muscle through it. I, I, I was trying </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:44]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> to muscle through it. Yes. But I could still feel it. I was like, Ugh. So I literally turned to the person and said, Look, can we just exchange phone numbers real quick? My husband is impatient. . That's what I said. And she's like, Yeah, sure.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:56]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And we just exchanged phone numbers. I said, I'll, I'll, I'll text you . And there you go. And, but you know, my God, it was like I had to be brave enough to tell her what was going on. Like I just told her, Look, I wanna, I wanna hang out with you. Right? That's it. Boom. I just said it, right? I said it. I said, and then I had to instigate it cuz people are not open usually to just giving out their phone numbers.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Mm-hmm. . And if I feel that's happening, I'm like, here's my number. Always have something handy; something to write on and something to write with. Always have that with you. I actually wanna get cards again. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:37]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> See cards feels a little too contrived, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:40]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but it's a little note card that could look pretty.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:42]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It doesn't have to be a business card; something that's inspiring with a quote on it. For something to remember you by. , You know, But back in the day, didn't they have calling cards for gentlemen? They, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:54]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> No, they had calling cards, period. Calling </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:56]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> cards. And what was that, in what century was that? Like 17th </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:00]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> century.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:00]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So I was reading a story that takes place in like the 1890s in Utah, and the wife went calling on somebody and left her card and they never got back to her. So that was 1890s. So, That's one instance in Utah of all places. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I would make a card, This is what I'm working on right now, making a little card, something you could stick on a wall that, that inspires people, like something with a pretty picture or a beautiful quote that's life affirming. And then have your number there, your name and number. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:40]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Whereas as a guy, I walk around with a notebook, just a skinny notebook that fits in my back pocket. And what I will do is I will have one or two, um, Sticky notes inside of it that are blank and I can write on those. Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But I'm talking about something you can, you can give to someone else.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:57]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And then sticky notes get, Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:58]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I can give somebody a sticky note. I can </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> do that. They get lost and it's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:01]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> like trash. Well, and it, it's also also about getting their stuff too. Something </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:05]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> that doesn't seem like trash. I know. Something you wanna Hold on. I know. Anyway, so that's, that's another tip right there is to do that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Um, there's so many things on my mind right now adam? Adam, when you're new to town, it's like being on vacation, but you live there. You're </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:23]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> also seeing things differently too. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:25]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. Take, take advantage when life has transformed into something totally different for you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:30]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Take advantage of that. Even if it's grief that you're going through, take advantage of it because you're seeing things in a way that you normally don't see. Know you're, you're aware of things you're normally not aware of, and that's the perfect opportunity to make a wonderful life happen because you're not ignoring things around you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And that's when you make beautiful connections. That's it. I mean, there's a lot more, That's why we have this podcast and we've been talking. For so long. Right. You know, and we still have not guys, we have, like I have a huge book of all it is, is ideas to share with you with. It's never ending. It is never ending.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:18]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> The possibilities of all the ways that we can connect with one another, that we should be connecting with one another and like the weird things that are happening that make you go, What's up with this? You know what's up with that? Like last week we talked about the invisible line, like, like being an elephant and you're chained to a stake and then you grow up into an adult elephant and it, it's like a toothpick.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> This stake, it can't hold you down, down, but you're still bound to it, but you're still bound to it. You're not! Break free. Make friends. Get out there. All right? And also save time to yourself so you can curl up under the blanket and watch Days of our Lives. Hehe. Anyway, Matt just bowed his head. He hates that show.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:06]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I love it. I can, I just share with you, I watched, I, I became addicted to Days of Our Lives when I was a kid and it's when you get sick with the flu and you stay home and you realize all the shows that are on when you're at school. For me was Days of Our Lives and I got addicted and there were years where I didn't.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:26]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But somehow I was you. They keep you in the loop somehow. You know, Like you still figure out what's happening. But for me, watching Days of Our Lives gave me the best life lessons, which is this don't lie. That's it. don't lie. Cause all the drama that happens is people not being truthful. There would be no show</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:52]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> if everyone was honest, . So you see all these things, all these, uh, troubles people get into because of lying, being deceitful. Anyway, that's it. Love you guys. Take care. Remember to go to our site, our friendly world podcast.com. Leave us a note. Love you. Love you, Adam. Okay. Talk to you later. Bye. Be well.</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[How to make friends when life has changed? How do we make friends when our life has completely changed? And that change could be a move, it could be being in a completely different situation, a new job, people we love passing away, or we give birth, become parents, etc, etc. Things open and close. Things happen, and life changes. That's when we start looking around to see if we have friends for real around us; someone to call, to be with us, to hold our hand; someone we can just walk down the street with, someone to be our witness in life. How can we make friends when life has completely changed or changed a little bit?How do we make friends when we're going through a transformation?It's like jumping into a beautiful lake, but you don't want to because it's gonna be a shocking cold temperature or something. Whatever it is, it's going to be uncomfortable for a few seconds. But Once we're in there, the water's fine and we can open our arms, glide, and enjoy life.
In this episode, we discuss steps to take to make new friends in a new place.
 
 
How to move to make friends moving to a new place - TRANSCRIPT
[00:00:00] Fawn: Okay. Hello. We are back. Here we are. 
[00:00:03] Matt: Hello everybody. How are you 
[00:00:04] Fawn: doing? Good job, Matt. . I was just telling Matt every time we start the show, hello? He just says hello. I'm like, it just sounds like I spliced your voice in saying hello like a puppet. No. Good. So here he is, everybody. Matt. Hello. Oh my God.
[00:00:24] Fawn: So. I made a new podcast friend last week. Actually we met weeks ago, but mm-hmm. . I was on his podcast. His name is Adam,
[00:00:35] Fawn: and 
[00:00:35] Fawn: his podcast is podcasting Business school. So check that out. I think, it's good even if you're not a podcaster, to listen to him because he makes great business sense. . And if you look at it, if you look at people who are doing really well in business, they're actually, you can use their advice also for friendship.
[00:00:57] Fawn: But anyway, we were talking and yeah, that's how, how I was doing, I'm like, Oh, you know, finally got through, unpacking the last box. You know, it's been nuts. , he's like, I move too, he. Uh, I think a month and a half before we did, or two months before we did. Mm-hmm. And, and I do recall when we met in this huge forum through Podfest. I think he glanced at our podcast. He didn't know about us. But he was like, Oh, friendship. Well if you're gonna do it, I hope you're doing it on. Like how do I actually teach people to make friends? I'm like, I'm like, Is he talking to me? I think he was talking to me. Cause we were the only o...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The Invisible Lines We Must Cross to Live a Fulfilled Life and Be Able to Create Great Friendships/Relationships]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2022 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>The invisible line, the invisible barriers that we need to be aware of that will set us free. So the invisible barriers we are dealing with that hold us to certain places in situations, the invisible barriers invisible lines that keep us from connecting to each other.</p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They're all over the place and they come in so many different forms. We discuss some invisible acts of power when once we realize and are aware of them, allow us to break free from the chains that bind us and keep us from living a free life and enable us to create beautiful friendships/relationships.</span></span></p>
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<p>The Invisible Line - TRANSCRIPT</p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hello everybody. Welcome back. Hello. So the invisible line, the invisible barriers that we need to be aware of that will set us free. So the invisible barriers we are dealing with that hold us to certain places in situations, the invisible barriers invisible lines that keep us from connecting to each other.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> They're all over the place and they come in so many different forms. But first of all, what are some invisible acts of power? We already did a show, remember with Rachel Chevalier from France, and we talked about grid lines, power lines, right? That are deep in the earth that you can't see. But your body definitely feels, and it changes your health, it changes everything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Lay lines. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:52]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Remember that? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:52]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. Absolutely. Is it red blood cells? They're affected by magnetism. It's one of those weird things. It's one of the reasons why, No, it's something in the blood. It's not the red blood cells, but it's something in the blood.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:03]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> We have this in our bodies, determine which way north is, which is a bizarre </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> thing. Like birds have it right? It's a mineral that exists that it, it's some sort of, Metal or something. Some kind of metal that I think birds have more of.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> More </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:21]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> iron in the blood. That's what it is. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I thought it was something else like, I don't know. Whatever. Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Cause I don't wanna get into the science of it. I wanna get into the energetics of it. I mean, which is still science....</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The invisible line, the invisible barriers that we need to be aware of that will set us free. So the invisible barriers we are dealing with that hold us to certain places in situations, the invisible barriers invisible lines that keep us from connecting to each other.
They're all over the place and they come in so many different forms. We discuss some invisible acts of power when once we realize and are aware of them, allow us to break free from the chains that bind us and keep us from living a free life and enable us to create beautiful friendships/relationships.
 
The Invisible Line - TRANSCRIPT
[00:00:00] Fawn: Hello everybody. Welcome back. Hello. So the invisible line, the invisible barriers that we need to be aware of that will set us free. So the invisible barriers we are dealing with that hold us to certain places in situations, the invisible barriers invisible lines that keep us from connecting to each other.
[00:00:24] Fawn: They're all over the place and they come in so many different forms. But first of all, what are some invisible acts of power? We already did a show, remember with Rachel Chevalier from France, and we talked about grid lines, power lines, right? That are deep in the earth that you can't see. But your body definitely feels, and it changes your health, it changes everything.
[00:00:51] Fawn: Lay lines. 
[00:00:52] Fawn: Remember that? 
[00:00:52] Matt: Yes. Absolutely. Is it red blood cells? They're affected by magnetism. It's one of those weird things. It's one of the reasons why, No, it's something in the blood. It's not the red blood cells, but it's something in the blood.
[00:01:03] Matt: We have this in our bodies, determine which way north is, which is a bizarre 
[00:01:08] Fawn: thing. Like birds have it right? It's a mineral that exists that it, it's some sort of, Metal or something. Some kind of metal that I think birds have more of.
[00:01:21] Fawn: More 
[00:01:21] Matt: iron in the blood. That's what it is. 
[00:01:23] Fawn: I thought it was something else like, I don't know. Whatever. Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Cause I don't wanna get into the science of it. I wanna get into the energetics of it. I mean, which is still science....]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>The invisible line, the invisible barriers that we need to be aware of that will set us free. So the invisible barriers we are dealing with that hold us to certain places in situations, the invisible barriers invisible lines that keep us from connecting to each other.</p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They're all over the place and they come in so many different forms. We discuss some invisible acts of power when once we realize and are aware of them, allow us to break free from the chains that bind us and keep us from living a free life and enable us to create beautiful friendships/relationships.</span></span></p>
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<p>The Invisible Line - TRANSCRIPT</p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hello everybody. Welcome back. Hello. So the invisible line, the invisible barriers that we need to be aware of that will set us free. So the invisible barriers we are dealing with that hold us to certain places in situations, the invisible barriers invisible lines that keep us from connecting to each other.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> They're all over the place and they come in so many different forms. But first of all, what are some invisible acts of power? We already did a show, remember with Rachel Chevalier from France, and we talked about grid lines, power lines, right? That are deep in the earth that you can't see. But your body definitely feels, and it changes your health, it changes everything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:51]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Lay lines. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:52]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Remember that? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:52]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. Absolutely. Is it red blood cells? They're affected by magnetism. It's one of those weird things. It's one of the reasons why, No, it's something in the blood. It's not the red blood cells, but it's something in the blood.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:03]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> We have this in our bodies, determine which way north is, which is a bizarre </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:08]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> thing. Like birds have it right? It's a mineral that exists that it, it's some sort of, Metal or something. Some kind of metal that I think birds have more of.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> More </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:21]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> iron in the blood. That's what it is. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I thought it was something else like, I don't know. Whatever. Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Cause I don't wanna get into the science of it. I wanna get into the energetics of it. I mean, which is still science. Nevermind what I just said, . But what I'm trying to say is, You know, there are also EMFs, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:41]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Electro magnetic fields. Electric, is it electric or electromagnetic field?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:46]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I think it's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:46]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> electromagnetic. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:47]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Um, so, you know, microwaves or radio waves, there's all this stuff that we can't see true. So there's that. But what I'm talking about are like, in our society, these invisible lines that half of the population doesn't cross.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:02]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> For example, there's so many different examples, but one example I have is I had, you know, I grew up in la there were so many kids that had never seen the ocean, and they were like 10 miles away. I'm like, You've never in your life seen the ocean. We, we, we live right there in L.A. And they're like, No. And then as I got older, I realized why. There is this invisible, um, fence.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:31]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That keeps certain people out of certain </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:34]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> neighborhoods. And there's also the level of comfort, right? I'm uncomfortable getting away from wherever it is. I am. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:42]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. But why that, that level of uncomfortableness that exists was placed there for a reason by some force to keep people separat.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:54]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Anyway, I'm trying not to get negative here. So anyway, invisible acts of power. When I tell you that, when I say invisible acts of power, what comes to your mind? Like for me, I'm thinking about ghosts, angels, random acts of kindness. Of course, I think about the invisible fences, and I just brought up.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:15]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Kindness, compassion. There's also going back to the science of it, there's magnetic force, electrical force, there's external forces and internal forces like, and I know I'm getting into science, but here we go, like a tree trembling due to wind. That would be an external force. You can't see it, but you see the tree trembling something's making the tree tremble.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:40]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Or something's making me tremble when I feel something that's scary or something makes me feel a certain way. I'm like, We gotta get outta here. Right? Which happens a lot, . Yes, it does. Or we're anywhere. It could be anywhere. I'm like, We gotta get outta here. And now we've been together long enough where Matt doesn't really question it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> He's like, Okay, let's go</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:06]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. See, Whereas I think of it as invisible forces for me, you know, music plays such an important part of my life, but it's not, it's not, You can't see music necessarily unless somebody's literally performing it in front of you. But you can hear it invisible though. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's true. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:24]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You know? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:25]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It's also when people come together.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:28]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> A group of people come together for whatever purpose and when you're actually like part of that purpose, you can feel a sense of belonging that's very warm and fuzzy, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:38]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> or like going back to the tree, talking about external forces, forces that help the trees stay in the same position and stops it from falling.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> There's some internal force that's making that happen. There's some internal force that helped me survive growing up with my family. Everybody else in the family behaved a certain way and I didn't. Right. I ended up having a completely different life than them. What Invisible force led me there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:07]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What? Invisible Forest helped me out. What? Invisible Forest helped me out when I remember. I was in Wisconsin. I lived on the border of Wisconsin and Minnesota, and there was this one day, it was very cold. The ground was slippery, icy. The highways are, they're not like the 405</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:30]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> in Los Angeles where you have like an eight lane highway , right? It's, it's basically one or two lanes, that's it. And two lanes could be both directions. Mm-hmm. . So one direction has only one lane, right? So anyway, And then you get onto a highway that's also. A, a two directional lane with only two lanes, if that makes sense.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:55]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Does that make sense? Am I making sense? You make sense to me. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:58]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> But </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:59]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> it's a small road. Yes. Like it's, it looks like a country road, but it's like a highway. Right? Right. It's not, If you're from a big city, you would never consider that a highway. But it's a highway. Right. And that's where the big Semit trucks go by and big trucks go by anyway.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:15]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I was trying to turn right to get home I saw this big, huge semi drug coming and I thought, and I was young and stupid, I thought, Oh, I can just floor it, press the gas pedal really fast. Right? Absolutely. And like, just get in front of it so I can get home already. And I thought I had enough time. Right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:37]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And I kid you not, I. I, I felt my foot press all the way down and then, and I didn't have an automatic, Wait, what's it called when you don't have, you didn't have a stick shift. I did not have a, or a transmission. Right. It was not a manual car. It was one of those whatever automatic cars that most people drive in the United States.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:58]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right, right. All right. So I floored and all of a sudden, and the radio was on . All of a sudden the entire car stopped. It froze. It didn't even just stop because I was rolling. I was, I was, I was rolling. The car was moving forward. Mm-hmm. , But it stopped as if a giant had my car that was a toy car and just, just stopped it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:24]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And the radio froze, like everything stopped, all the lights in the car, on the dashboard, everything went black. And at that precise second, the, the semi-truck was already passed. So had my car gone forward, I would've gotten completely smashed. Right? Flattened. So what invisible force is there, You know what I'm saying?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:55]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yes. And it sounds unbeliev. Unless you were me being in that, in that situation. Right. You know what I mean? It sounds like I'm making it up, but I kid you not like that's what happened. All right. So I don't know there, there are forces out there, but mainly I've always thought that there has been some force that has stopped people, I think especially so only United States.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Stop them from connecting and developing friendships that are family type friendships, and I can break it down into forces that are physical, like everybody has to work and everybody's so busy and so wrapped up in all the things that they have to get done, that they're exhausted, that as much as you wanna reach out and hang out with someone, you're so tired.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And unable to make it happen. Mm-hmm. . I think that's a huge downfall in our society because we're left alone, we're left to fend for ourselves, and then you get that constant, I don't know how it is in other countries anymore because it's been a while since I've left, but I don't know what it's like in other places right now, but I can tell.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> The thing that you hear over and over and over again in the American culture is pull yourself up by your bootstraps. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:21]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh God, you hate that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:22]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I hate that. I don't even know what that, That doesn't even make any sense. How can you pull yourself up from your shoelaces?, you know what I'm saying? But it's a saying that means, what?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What does it even mean? I, I, I assume I know what it means, which is just do it yourself. It </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:36]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> means starting from nothing and becoming something, I suppose, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:40]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> all by yourself. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:41]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. No, I'm getting no help </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:43]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> from nobody. Nobody's gonna help you. You're in it by yourself. Right? And there is such great pride in doing things by yourself.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:53]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And I didn't even realize that this was hitting home in our family until a couple weeks ago. Because as much as this has been on my mind for a very long time, for like a couple decades, I've been thinking about this very same thing of why in America we need to do everything ourselves, which is ironic because why do we have so many Imports.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:15]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You know, like, we don't make things ourselves anymore. Do you know what I'm saying? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:19]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes, I get it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:20]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But because I've been so aware of this, I have thought that, well, for sure I'm promoting the idea that we need to work together. Everything needs to be cooperative. Even raising our kids, we made sure we had toys that were cooperative.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:35]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So when we played games, it wasn't, well, most games, not the games that Matt plays. You know, I always chose games where we all get together,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:45]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And for the common good to combine our resources and to combine our mental capacities for one common goal. So it's not one person wins, it's we win together. We create together. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:02]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. Yeah, absolutely.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:03]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So having said all that, I was thinking of our friend Majora, who years ago when Elle was very, very little.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Elle was four years old, and Majora came to visit and after her visit with us when she was back home, she was like, I was really inspired by Elle who kept saying " i, I made it myself", and she was very emphatic about myself. I did it myself. I'm like, Oh, you know, and I, and I, and I thought that I was proud of that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And for years, up until recently, I was like, Yeah, , you know, my, our daughter is so strong and like she does it herself. And then two weeks ago, I don't know, something whispered in my ear, an invisible force. I don't know. But it whispered in my ear, like it told me where it came from. I'm like, Oh my God. It came from me because all along, all my stories,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> if you think about it, all my stories are "I did it myself". I taught myself how to ride a bike. I taught myself how to swim, which </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:08]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> is a frightening thing when you think about it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:10]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. As a little kid, I taught myself how to swim. . I taught myself pretty much everything because I didn't really have the kind of parents that were there to like teach me stuff like that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:22]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Mm-hmm. or do stuff with me like that. I did it myself. I got myself to college. I did it myself. I paid for it myself. I took myself on a plane in secret to go meet with the dean of this big school to get myself in. I did it myself, and I've been telling these stories all along and I realized, Oh no, I've perpetuated this thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:49]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> There's been this invisible force. It's been me perpetuating this idea of do it yourself. And I'm like, Oh my God. That's where Elle got it from. Two weeks ago, I just came to that conclusion, you know, isn't that a, Isn't that a bitch? Like you think you're doing good parenting and you're like, Oh my. I've been actually giving the opposite message of what I believe in.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> There </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:13]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> are points where you need to come together as a tribe, as a family, and there are points in time where you do have to figure it out yourself though. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah, but I was, but </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:23]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> that's just it. There are times for both, not exclusively. I do it myself and not exclusively. I do it as, as </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:33]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> a group. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:34]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> There is such a yin and yang with everything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:36]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> There should be a balance, right? Yes. So like we're looking at two different things. We're looking at, Matter has two forms. We have one that is particle and the other is a wave. And it's the wave that we can't necessarily see unless you develop your vision a certain way, unless you look at things a certain way.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:57]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You can't really see the waves. You can't see the invisible forces. Well, you can't see the wind. Sometimes you can. Right, Right. Sometimes you, Sometimes you can, if there's like a, some dew or, Or misty </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:12]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> or smoke </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:13]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> or, Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Smoke or like you were talking about the campfire and you can see the waves of heat.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Or on a hot day when you're looking at asphalt, you can see the waves. Yep. Of heat, so sometimes you can see it, but just things that are invisible to the eye, but things that are invisible to us, that are keeping us from connecting to one another. What is that? Let's take a look at that and let's at least become aware of the possibility.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:46]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Is there something that's not said that is keeping us from each other, that is keeping us from being together. You know, we can get away from the idea of, , or the facts of we're all working so hard, our time is incredibly limited. And, and it becomes a habit. It becomes this chain, like I've described on our show before.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Like it's the baby elephant that is chained to a steak and it can only walk a certain distance that the chain won't allow it. It's chained to a steak, and as the elephant grows older, it's no longer chained to it, but it feels like it is, so it never thinks of moving away. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:34]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right, right. Well, it is still chained, but it's a chain.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:37]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It can easily break as it gets older. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:39]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yes, that's true. Because it's so powerful </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:41]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> because it's, it, it, yeah. Elephants become so much more powerful, but they're held in place by that thought, by that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:47]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> belief, by that invisible force, which is the thought, and I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:51]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I, I think part of it comes from, oh yes, we get so experienced and so old and like when.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:02]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> When you're like six, when you're in elementary school, you know, um, it's enough to like hang out and you'll get invited to play. Or you can say to somebody else, Hey, let's go to the swings, or whatever it is, right? And then you start looking back and you're like, Eh, that's so juvenile. That's so ridiculous on some level.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:25]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So you get locked into this world of you have to be cool or you have to be sophisticated, or you have to be, And so you're unwilling to break through these barriers. You're unwilling, you know, you see somebody wearing a shirt from your favorite band and, and you stop. Sometimes you will talk to 'em, sometimes you won't, but you stop and you're like, Should I talk to this person?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:45]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And like you'd, it's almost like you need some kind of a go ahead from them that it's okay to like say, Hey, what's up? And most people won't offer that. . So you just don't talk to them. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:57]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah, because So what force exists to not even have that? Like, why do you have that wall up? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:04]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I don't wanna be spurned. I don't want somebody going, You're ridiculous.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:08]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You're a clown.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:09]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. This is gonna be a little bit, different, but for some reason I thought of this story, but talking about invisible forces. Are there, that they're there. We're constantly communicating with one another. You don't have to even wait for a physical signal. You know, a physical signal being like a, a glance that says, Hey, you can ask me a question.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:34]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Do you know what I'm saying? Yes. I think that much like EMFs out there, electoral magnetic fields, that, or microwaves, radio waves, they're still there. Yes. It's like you have to just tune into a. Frequency to hear it. Like you turn on a radio and you turn it to a certain, dial a certain number, 95.6, and it turns you to this kind of music.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:57]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Whereas 95.8 would be something else; completely different style of music. I just think that all these things are there and we're picking up on it, and I think as soon as we realize there is that out there, then we can pick up on it. It's always there. So case in point, this was a few years ago, I was at a park with the kids and there was a basketball court.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:21]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I don't know if I ever told you this story, Matt, but there were these big men, big tall basketball players. Okay? Big, big men. And they were playing basketball and you know, basketball is like, uh, very contact. Yes, very, very much so we. You can get hurt. Yes. So if there's a four year old, Well, no, she was like 5, 6, 6 years old.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:43]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> The, the ball, the basketball bounced out of their bounds out of their court, and Elle was right there. And so when a kid sees a bouncing ball coming towards them, they're like, BALL!. Right. So she started running, She she grabbed the ball. Yeah. And she started bouncing it and running. , the basketball court while the, the big guys were still running back and forth and I was far away.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:10]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Mm-hmm. , I don't remember all the details. I think she just was about to touch the ball. She was starting to run with a ball, and so she was going to collide with these men. Ooh. And I didn't know if the men had the wherewithal to know there's a little kid mm-hmm.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:27]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> that they could trample on. You know what I'm saying? Right. So in my head, I didn't say a word out loud, but I I am like, Please don't touch that ball. L l stop. I didn't say a word out. She got that message, and I'm telling you, much like the car that I just described to you, she just froze and stopped right there and let the ball go.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:57]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And it was so different. Like it was so like out of character for the situation for the kid to like be so like, yay ball to like, Oh, I'm gonna let this ball go like an electric shock. Like I'm not gonna touch. Even the men commented out loud. I could hear it from where I was. They're like, That's weird.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:22]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That kid just froze and stopped. That was weird. And they were like, That's weird. That's weird. They kept saying, That's weird. I'm like, Oh my God, it's still working. Cuz Elle and I always have had that connection, that nonverbal. , she can read my mind. Mm-hmm. and the, And vice versa. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:43]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Like I remember one day when she was a baby, back when they're a baby and they're supposed to face, the rear of the car. In the back seat, right in the car seat. In the car seat. Like when they're infants, they're supposed to face rear. And then one of us would always be in the back seat.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> As the other one drove the car</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:03]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> . Right. So Elle could see us,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:04]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> so Elle could see us, but also if, if the baby cried, we'd be right there to help her and let her know that she's not alone. Right, right. I remember one day we were coming back from a photo shoot and I was in the backseat with her and she wanted something and I was just in the space of working.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I was not in the space of loving mom that I normally would've been. So I handed her the toy. I'm like, Here, right? It was rude the way I did it, and she looked at me and she started crying. Sad, sad cry. The sad cry, not cry, like, I have a dirty diaper. I'm hungry. It was like I hurt her feelings, and I'll never ever forget that because it wasn't like I said anything, It was my, it was my vibe.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:59]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It was my unloving, this that wa It was my unnatural way of being. My natural way with Elle was everything I did every time ire her, every time I touched her, every time I fed her, every time I looked at her, it was with intention and calm and love, and it did not happen at that second, in that moment in time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:23]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But she and she felt it. Do you know what I'm saying? I. So that's another invisible force. You know what I'm saying? It was purely energetic. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:31]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. Well, you can feel, especially like if somebody's being especially like gracious towards you, you can feel that and, and maybe you perceive, maybe you see it because they're smiling more.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:44]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It's crinkles by their, who knows? But it's more about how it feels. Mm-hmm. it. And you can tell the intent. If the intent is very cold and impersonal, you can feel that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:56]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So that's, that's pretty much what I wanted to talk about today was that. Let's all think about the, the invisible line that exists and let's try to cross it in a good way, in a loving way, and go to places we have never been to before.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:16]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Places that the world is all of ours. It could be, a new part of the earth you have not visited. It could be going for a new career. It could be that invisible line as it always told you somehow that you're not meant to do anything else but this dead end job because that's what you're supposed to do.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:38]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> We get so many messages like, Don't quit your day job. . You know what I'm saying? Yes. That fear that's in place that holds us down, where we feel like we're like this massive elephant. We are so much stronger than that little bracelet that's on us, where before we couldn't break free from, but we can break free from it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:01]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What invisible line is there that we're not crossing? What is that? And so just be aware of it. And I think that's enough for us to recognize one another and so when someone's walking past us on the sidewalk or anywhere that what the power of a smile can do, what just the feeling of compassion and love can do that is an invisible act of power, right there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:34]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Just to feel compassion and love and to never, ever walk past someone without acknowledging them that there is another life walking past you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:48]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Sounds </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:49]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> good to me. Also, I would say try and go forward and in your interactions with people, if you automatically assume no malice and actually assume just that they're going to be lovely, I think your conversations can be different, and then I can actually say, Good for you, and the person will be happy about it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:14]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, they have to know your heart first, so you can't go. But if you assume no malice, Well, it's not always apparent because people are wrapped up in, I know in whatever they're wrapped up in. They may not hear it or see it, so they misunderstand. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:32]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I know, but I'm saying if you assume no malice, then maybe you won't misunderstand or you'll, you'll misunderstand, but you'll misunderstand that they're actually being nicer to you than they're meaning to be.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:42]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, I think there needs to be an introduction before that happens sometimes, most of the time, until our society gets into a more comfortable state of being. And so what I would do is acknowledge the person is there by saying hello and remark, something that's totally remarkable. Like, you know, Matt, thank you for being so, um, I don't know what the word is, Matt, but you're not, you don't get bent out of shape.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:12]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So for example, last week we went to the coffee shop and we saw this man sitting, near us and I just looked at him and I knew that he needed connection and I genuinely, totally wanted to know what his story was, right? Like he made a comment right before we sat down. I'm like, You wouldn't have made that comment if you did not wanna connect to someone.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:32]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Do you know what I'm saying? Right. Even though as soon as he made the comment, he was like, I'm busy, you know, like . But I said, Oh my goodness. Look at you. You are completely fascinating and beautiful. What is your story, man? He started giggling. Right? But what I'm saying is, Matt, most, some men would've been totally like upset.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:56]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Like it would that constitute that I was flirting with another man. I wasn't. It was just, to me, another human being. Do you know what I'm saying? I do. It was not sexual or anything like that, but that was my introduction. Like that was my, a physical, um, act. I don't know compliment someone to give them an invitation that we're open to talking with you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:25]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Do you know what I'm saying? Yes. Or that we're acknowledging your presence. You are a remarkable human being. What is your story? What are you doing here, ? What are you doing? And he turned out to be this fascinating person, even though he was like, I'm busy, I gotta go. You. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:44]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right, Right. And and ironically, when we, when you first asked him what he was up to, he's like, Yeah, I'm, I'm all about invisible.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:51]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> S h i </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:52]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> t. Yeah. He was a professor who taught the whole dynamics of invisible. He, yeah. He, he phrased it in a very, um, CRAs way, but it was funny. It was, it was funny, funny, funny. It was intriguing, you know, to be a professor of that like, yeah, I think I know where you're coming from. It's right up our alley , right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:17]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And then he is like, I have to, I'm working on this paper. I can't talk anymore. I'm like, Okay, sorry, . So, but I made sure as awkward as it, Like, Hey, here's our info. I really wanna see you again. Like I wanna talk more about what you're focusing on with your studies, with, with your teaching. I wanna know more, you know?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:40]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So anyway, sometimes it's awkward, but who cares? I don't care. I don't care. I wanna collect with people. It's awkward sometimes because we're not used to it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:52]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Or we're not prepared. We're not prepared to meet anybody even though we're out in the world </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:57]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> for goodness sake. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:58]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And the other side, if you, even if we are prepared, the other side may not be prepared.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:03]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right. You know what I'm saying? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:04]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. And then it's about being, trying to be a good host and, trying to make sure the other person can feel as comfortable </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:10]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> as possible.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:11]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It's like, the old movies. The aliens come in the spaceship and they're like, We mean you no harm. I think that you need to express that to someone that you're meeting, like in some way express to them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:25]</span> <span style="color:#72b372;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I mean, you no harm. I'm not trying to sell you something. I genuinely think you're interesting. . Hello. So that's it guys. Talk to you in a few days. Please reach out to us. Tell everyone you can to subscribe to our podcast and if you can leave a, a nice review for us. Thank you so much for tuning in.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:49]</span> <span style="color:#6600cc;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> We'll talk to you in just a few days. Again, go to our friendly world podcast.com and reach out to us. Talk to you soon. Be well. Bye.</span></span></p>]]>
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They're all over the place and they come in so many different forms. We discuss some invisible acts of power when once we realize and are aware of them, allow us to break free from the chains that bind us and keep us from living a free life and enable us to create beautiful friendships/relationships.
 
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[00:00:00] Fawn: Hello everybody. Welcome back. Hello. So the invisible line, the invisible barriers that we need to be aware of that will set us free. So the invisible barriers we are dealing with that hold us to certain places in situations, the invisible barriers invisible lines that keep us from connecting to each other.
[00:00:24] Fawn: They're all over the place and they come in so many different forms. But first of all, what are some invisible acts of power? We already did a show, remember with Rachel Chevalier from France, and we talked about grid lines, power lines, right? That are deep in the earth that you can't see. But your body definitely feels, and it changes your health, it changes everything.
[00:00:51] Fawn: Lay lines. 
[00:00:52] Fawn: Remember that? 
[00:00:52] Matt: Yes. Absolutely. Is it red blood cells? They're affected by magnetism. It's one of those weird things. It's one of the reasons why, No, it's something in the blood. It's not the red blood cells, but it's something in the blood.
[00:01:03] Matt: We have this in our bodies, determine which way north is, which is a bizarre 
[00:01:08] Fawn: thing. Like birds have it right? It's a mineral that exists that it, it's some sort of, Metal or something. Some kind of metal that I think birds have more of.
[00:01:21] Fawn: More 
[00:01:21] Matt: iron in the blood. That's what it is. 
[00:01:23] Fawn: I thought it was something else like, I don't know. Whatever. Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Cause I don't wanna get into the science of it. I wanna get into the energetics of it. I mean, which is still science....]]>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>we all need someone that has our back. We all need someone to confide in. Today we explore the meaning of CONFESSION and realize that it is something more than a religious act; that it is a way to release negativity from our hearts. But how do we know which person or people in our lives we can trust to do this with?</p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:x-large;"><strong>The Confidante - TRANSCRIPT</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> There is a reason why so many songs can bring us such comfort. Like there's a song that says, Have little faith in me, and that's what we all need is to have someone that has our back. That's one of the parts of the art of Friendship, We have each other's backs, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That you know you're not alone, That when you're going through something that someone is there with you. Maybe they've gone through it already, or they can see better than you in certain circumstances. Today's show, I wanna talk about the confidant, and that came from confess. I was listening to Carolyn Myss. She brought up the whole point of, you know, everything's changing and so many religions and everything, and once you leave Earth, it's not about the religion.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's not, and that, but so many things have been thrown out. What's the saying, Matt? Like, thrown out with the bath water, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> throw the baby out with the bath water. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:06]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And one of the things that has been thrown out has been confession. And it made me think, And then we actually talk about, it's, it's so weird because on a parallel level we talk about the same stuff</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">carolyn May talks about, you probably don't even know who she is. Uh, sort of, okay. So. The whole idea of confession. I started looking into it. I'm like, Well, I, from my perspective, I understand, I don't really understand the religious, religious aspect of confession. Like what is it really there for? Do you know, Matt, did you have confession growing up in the religion you were raised in?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Oh my </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:44]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> goodness. Good Protestants. Don't do the confession. That was one of Martin Luther's issues with Catholicism. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:50]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What's wrong with confession? What I mean, what do you think confession is all about? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Okay, so confession, not unlike communism is a really, really great idea in kind of abstraction. But when you start involving humans into the mix, everything gets messed up.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Why? How so? </span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[we all need someone that has our back. We all need someone to confide in. Today we explore the meaning of CONFESSION and realize that it is something more than a religious act; that it is a way to release negativity from our hearts. But how do we know which person or people in our lives we can trust to do this with?
The Confidante - TRANSCRIPT
[00:00:00] Fawn: There is a reason why so many songs can bring us such comfort. Like there's a song that says, Have little faith in me, and that's what we all need is to have someone that has our back. That's one of the parts of the art of Friendship, We have each other's backs, right?
That you know you're not alone, That when you're going through something that someone is there with you. Maybe they've gone through it already, or they can see better than you in certain circumstances. Today's show, I wanna talk about the confidant, and that came from confess. I was listening to Carolyn Myss. She brought up the whole point of, you know, everything's changing and so many religions and everything, and once you leave Earth, it's not about the religion.
It's not, and that, but so many things have been thrown out. What's the saying, Matt? Like, thrown out with the bath water, 
[00:01:04] Matt: throw the baby out with the bath water. 
[00:01:06] Fawn: And one of the things that has been thrown out has been confession. And it made me think, And then we actually talk about, it's, it's so weird because on a parallel level we talk about the same stuff
carolyn May talks about, you probably don't even know who she is. Uh, sort of, okay. So. The whole idea of confession. I started looking into it. I'm like, Well, I, from my perspective, I understand, I don't really understand the religious, religious aspect of confession. Like what is it really there for? Do you know, Matt, did you have confession growing up in the religion you were raised in?
Oh my 
[00:01:44] Matt: goodness. Good Protestants. Don't do the confession. That was one of Martin Luther's issues with Catholicism. 
[00:01:50] Fawn: What's wrong with confession? What I mean, what do you think confession is all about? 
[00:01:55] Matt: Okay, so confession, not unlike communism is a really, really great idea in kind of abstraction. But when you start involving humans into the mix, everything gets messed up.
[00:02:08] Fawn: Why? How so? 
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                    <![CDATA[<p>we all need someone that has our back. We all need someone to confide in. Today we explore the meaning of CONFESSION and realize that it is something more than a religious act; that it is a way to release negativity from our hearts. But how do we know which person or people in our lives we can trust to do this with?</p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:x-large;"><strong>The Confidante - TRANSCRIPT</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> There is a reason why so many songs can bring us such comfort. Like there's a song that says, Have little faith in me, and that's what we all need is to have someone that has our back. That's one of the parts of the art of Friendship, We have each other's backs, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That you know you're not alone, That when you're going through something that someone is there with you. Maybe they've gone through it already, or they can see better than you in certain circumstances. Today's show, I wanna talk about the confidant, and that came from confess. I was listening to Carolyn Myss. She brought up the whole point of, you know, everything's changing and so many religions and everything, and once you leave Earth, it's not about the religion.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's not, and that, but so many things have been thrown out. What's the saying, Matt? Like, thrown out with the bath water, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> throw the baby out with the bath water. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:06]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And one of the things that has been thrown out has been confession. And it made me think, And then we actually talk about, it's, it's so weird because on a parallel level we talk about the same stuff</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">carolyn May talks about, you probably don't even know who she is. Uh, sort of, okay. So. The whole idea of confession. I started looking into it. I'm like, Well, I, from my perspective, I understand, I don't really understand the religious, religious aspect of confession. Like what is it really there for? Do you know, Matt, did you have confession growing up in the religion you were raised in?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Oh my </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:44]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> goodness. Good Protestants. Don't do the confession. That was one of Martin Luther's issues with Catholicism. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:50]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What's wrong with confession? What I mean, what do you think confession is all about? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Okay, so confession, not unlike communism is a really, really great idea in kind of abstraction. But when you start involving humans into the mix, everything gets messed up.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Why? How so? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:09]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, all of a sudden, if you're confessing to a priest, well, what stops the priest from telling people or threatening to tell people or any of the rest of that kind of stuff.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:18]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Isn't that their job? Not to? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, theoretically yes, but,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But you never know.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Exactly. And also, you know what historically has happened Through the millennia too, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Mm-hmm. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Mm-hmm. . One of the reasons I don't like a middle man, one of the reasons why I don't go towards organized religion, but going to friendship again, just getting away from religion, I just wanted to let you know how my train of thought came about; what steps led me to thinking about confession and thinking about, well, what is the confidant?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And it turns out that it is linked to confession. A confidant is, It's about trusting, It's having trust in from Latin confidere, and I'm mispronouncing it, so I'm just gonna spell it. It's C O N F I D E R E, meaning to put one's trust in to have confidence in, other descendants of "confidere" in English include confide confidence, confident,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and confidential. And the reason why I wanna talk about this today is, and, and how I'm trying to link it to the art of friendship is that confession is really there to release negativity, to release a burden that's on your heart or on, on your spirit, whatever you wanna call it. It, it's weighing you down.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It could be anything from a deed to it could be just something you're having trouble with. Like for example, recently, it's me letting go of our youngest getting on a big, big bike and going out there on her own. And everybody else was cool with it and everybody was looking at me like, What's wrong with you?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're such a helicopter mom. Like, let her just be on the bike. And I was like, and I was having trouble. And I was trying to talk to other moms who have more experience than I do. They've done it for longer years, and I just needed someone to say it's okay. And I didn't get that. I, I needed a confidant and I didn't have that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I felt like when I expressed my trepidation, my fears, it was like, Wow, what's wrong with you? You're so uptight, . But it's weird how it does come in different ways whatever you need. So a few days later, which is today we went to grab coffee and we ran into our friend Bill.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Thank you Bill. And Bill, we briefly mentioned, Oh, we got bikes this week for the girls. And, and I briefly kind of nonchalantly said, Yeah, cuz I wasn't expecting anyone to be kind with me regarding how I felt about Ouch the girls being on the bike just because of the kind of, um, feedback I got from others.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like, no one understood why I was feeling the way I did. You know what I'm saying? I got no, I got no sympathy, . And so Bill, who's such a tough guy on the exterior, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:32]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> he's very gruff.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> He just like looked at me with the kindest eyes and he said, Don't worry. She's gonna be okay. She's gonna go on a ride and she's gonna come back to you safe.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that's all I needed to hear those words. And so that's a confidant and we all need one of those. And I think that's one of the keys to friendship,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:57]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right? You need somebody who you respect, which is an interesting kind of caveat to the whole thing, who you can express your stuff to.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> to </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">help you carry the load, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:09]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right. And yes, indeed, I am your confidant, but you have to, it's like you kind of have to have more than one. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You really do. And you can't use your mate, your partner.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and in whatever relationship you have, the major partner, whether it's your marriage partner or your business partner, it can't be that person because it's too much. It has to be someone that's not day in, day out, every hour the day with you. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. And I would say it's somebody who's not. It's gonna sound a little weird and callous, but someone who's not deeply emotionally connected to you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Emotionally connected, yes, but not deeply so they can, they can go through and they don't have the blinders on. They can give you that objective kind of response as well. Or they give you an opinion that you believe is objective.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Does it really matter though. I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">mean,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:02]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I think, I think it does. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I think, think about the end result is we are trying to use the confession as a means to release negativity.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">To release heaviness, so it really doesn't matter. Whoever can handle it is the person. I'm just saying that as a marriage partner, you and I have gone through so many things, so much hardship, that sometimes I'm like, I can't add another thing to confide in you with. Sometimes it's true. Same with a friend, like a best friend.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's like sometimes is it too much? I mean, they can be, they can be totally in it with you and have things at stake with you also. But you know, it, it doesn't matter as long as there's capacity to release that, that burden, that negativity, to disperse it to, to disperse it for one another. I think that's what the confidant is.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Gotcha.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:56]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What else can we say about that</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I went to the store, I said, I said, Matt, why don't you research it?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:06]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I, of course did. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You did. Okay then Tell </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:09]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well, I focus more on the confessional aspect of things. Well, did you know ? Confession, AKA either criminal or theological, meaning of course, church and religion and all the rest of it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Every single culture has it in kind of in existence at least, you know, calling it, let's call it, uh, north of the Equator Cultures, which is the ones I bumped into. And that includes India, that includes China, that includes Japan. That includes obviously, the United States. That includes Europe, they all have this sense of confession, repentance, and, you know, first </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> of all, I don't know what that means.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I always hear repent. What does that mean?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well, that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:53]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> means, I'm sorry. And that's showing that you, are sincere in it. That is repentance. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:59]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But what is it? Do you have to like, is that when they I'm make you,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:02]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm sorry. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:03]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> No. Is that when they make you say a bunch of um, lines. Is it Hail Mary's?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">What is it? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:09]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> No, no, no. Hail Mary would be a football play. It's not or a grid iron football </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> for, but do you know what I mean? What is that called? It's not a Hail Mary. How many. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Actually, you might be right. Maybe it is Hail Mary, full of grace. Something, something, something, something. Not being Catholic, I don't really know them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:26]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I wonder if we're totally offending a whole bunch of religious people, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">anybody by our ignorance</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:31]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> possible. And the, but the trick is, is wow. All religions have this sense of confession. In point of fact, early Christian, the early Christian kind of mytho, you actually only, uh, confessed once a year or you were only forgiven once a year as part of Lent.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's, it's a weird thing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It is a weird thing because in the Jewish religion, there is that one part of the year after, right after the new year where you go and apologize. It's kind of the same thing, isn't it? It is a, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it is a similar experience. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:06]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Once a year. Once a year. See, this takes me back to celebrations and all these things, like really once a year.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">, I do it several times in the day. I'm like, I'm so sorry, like looking at my actions or things I could have or did say, or should not have said or did say. I'm like, Oh my God. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, fortunately I only screw up like once a year. . No dear. No, no, don't, don't look at me like that. Oh goodness. Hold on, hold on.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Hold on folks. I gotta diffuse this song. Oh. Oh my </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:37]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> God. , No. Wow. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:42]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Uh, well, you kinda left us open. You kinda left me open for that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Um, but you know what I mean? It's like why do we have Thanksgiving once a year? The whole thinking about your actions once a year? No, I think it should be a daily process like brushing your teeth, hopefully like a few times a day, ko.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right, right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah. And in point of fact, I have this habit of replaying conversations that I have, uh, the same day. I generally have them and just going through them and sometimes I'm like, Ooh, that was a little uncomfortable when I sit there. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:18]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Sometimes, I mean, that's good, but what if you don't even realize you did it?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:22]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, that's why I replay it. Like I replay it with an objective. I try and replay it with an objective ear. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:27]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Like today, we were just talking amongst ourselves and there's a friend of ours it's been years since we have been friends, right? A long, long time. And there are three things that she has said to me that has scarred me to this day, but. I just, I don't bring it up because I just feel like it'll turn into a fight or denial.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Denial, which really will further piss me off or hurt my feelings even more and make me feel like, am I crazy? Like why would I make that up? Did I like misunderstand or did I like dream it? Do you know what I'm saying? I started doubting myself, so we were talking about that about. The person A could deny it, or B, they could not remember it, or maybe C, we could have misunderstood.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know what I'm saying? Yes. And and I was saying it doesn't matter because what it is basically is that it was our own insecurity. So no matter what someone says, if you're confident in yourself, In what you're doing, nothing can touch you, but it's not like that all the time. Right, Right. So things will inevitably hurt your feelings and the goal is to discuss it as it happens.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">But in my case, the, the, What I don't like about myself is when someone says something, I feel shocked and surprised. Surprised and shocked that I don't have a comeback for it right away. Right? I don't think to say, Whoa, could you repeat what you, what you just said because that really hurt. Like, seriously, Is this how you feel about me?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Why did you, Can you repeat what you just said? So we can talk about it, but instead, I let it go and the conversation quickly turns into something else. When something of that kind of magnitude shakes you, in most cases, I feel like the conversation always shifts to something completely different.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right? Right. So like, you don't even, you don't even talk about it and it's the type of thing that could be so innocent perhaps sometimes, but it will scar you forever. I don't know. Should I use examples? Unfortunately, yes, I feel like I do. Cause I'm being too careful. All right. So with this one friend, this was a very long time ago.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I was working on my book, the book that I'm still working on. But back then I was trying to get it published. I was sending mock ups to all the publishers working so hard on it, and back then it wasn. Digital. So I was FedExing it back and forth from one publisher to the next. It was very expensive.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">It was hard. It was my life's work. I'm very proud of it to this day about this book that I created. It's everything. I photographed, all the different tribes that I, I lived with, that I photographed different cultures around the world. I researched all the world's religions and I also took text and I treated the, uh, by the way I treat.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The world's religion, all the different religions as literature. So it wasn't, it was not religious, it was more a story that was being told. . Like literature. Right. And then I also took sayings from amazing scientists and amazing poets throughout history poets from a few thousand years. And I put all this together in this book, this family photo album.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. Anyway, that was part of my work, and so one night I'm talking to my friend and the whole thing was such a struggle and my photography and I was trying to start up this whole other branch of my photography. Back then I was getting into architectural photography. Anyway, I'm talking to my friend and this friend.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I think I was, I was talking about writing, I was talking about something else. Mm-hmm. that could have been a different career path. And she said, and I'm gonna curse, I'm sorry, but this is where she said, she said, I think that's a good idea for you to get away from photography and get away from this Fawn art photography shit.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">She just, she put the word s h i t in next to my photography work and then the conversation. Like shortly after that, like immediately after that actually changed and I was so shocked. And to this day, that totally affects me, right? Because I do value this friend's opinion. I do value her sense of artistry.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I like her. Mm-hmm. . But that really. And it wasn't just that one time either. It was a couple of other things. And I, it's not like I'm purposely trying to keep a tally of what was said to me, but there were like three things that were said to me that were so harsh. and again, if I bring it up, cuz I did bring it up one time, one of the things she said, and it was denial.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so that, that led me to just never talk about it. Right about anything that is said from this person anyway. Why? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:59]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, and but I think you're highlighting something very, very interesting there, which is having an understanding and if you do have somebody you can quote unquote confess to, or a friend who you get advice from and all the rest of it, it has to be a two way street.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like literally every other relationship you should have in your life. And so on some level, it's like you have to know their foibles. You gotta, you gotta figure this stuff out when they screw up. And this person doesn't like talking about when they screw up, cuz frankly who does. Mm-hmm. . But I liken it to, you know that guy, Oh my god, that guy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Everybody knows that guy who once upon a time put down a sports bet on a team that was never supposed to win. Or the one stock they'll talk about buying is the one that shot way up. They don't tell you about the 10 stocks they bought, the tanked or the bad bet they made or the the fact that they got ripped off when they bought this, this, or that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Good. They only tell you about the great deals they. That's not somebody you want to be your confidant. You need somebody who shows you their foibles. Cuz if somebody who objectively, you know, that face they show you is always so perfect, is always so manicured, is always so Facebooked or Instagramed or whatever it is, and you don't see the fact that, you know they're human</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">like the rest of us, That person can't be your confidant. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:26]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Thanks for letting me know now. Thanks. No, no, I, Okay. Part of me is like coach, part of me is like, thanks for, why Wait, hold on. , </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> is that what you meant to say </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:36]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> yes and no? Why did you wait so long to tell me that? Because I just needed to hear that. Like actually I, what I just described was told to me before you and I met, but I've told you that story.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I wish you had told me, and I just, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:52]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I you to always step carefully around this </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">person. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:55]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You did, but you didn't put it in the exact word that you just did. And you're right. That person has a very hard time, saying, Oh, I screwed up here. Look at that. No big deal. Like, you know what I'm saying? Right. It's always the best face forward.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:11]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right, right. And, and that's welcome to the world. You know what, frankly, I hate telling people when I screw up. But you know what? I do. And those friends of mine who love me, they understand that and we move forward. Yeah. Which is why I know about, you know, my OCD buddy who, um, yeah, who has his share of foibles.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">He shares with me and then I share my share of foils with him. Plus we go through foils anyways cuz we keep talking about, Oh, this team is gonna win, that team is gonna win, and we're wrong so often it's crazy. We are just ridiculously </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:46]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> wrong. I know who you're talking about. You're talking about Jim. Of course.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">He has such a great sense of humor. Well, he has a sense of humor about himself. He can laugh about it himself. Right, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. And then when it's time when I need to take him to task for something, we're okay with it. Yeah. And when he takes me to task for something, we're okay with it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:05]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. Yeah. I think that's how, my relationship is with Wendy, because we can discuss foibles and our triumph.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">but they're not judged. because I feel like in, in my case, when, because I always show people my foibles. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:23]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You do!</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:24]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I do. Because by the time I'm sharing it, and I'm, I'm really good at, if I could say what my strength is, I'm good at noticing my foibles and I'm immediately getting over it because I notice that it's a fo mm-hmm.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and I immediately, I'm okay. Do you know what I'm saying? Absolutely. Then I'm, I'm not afraid to share it, but what I've found is when I share my foibles, people put me lower and lower on whatever scale that they have in mind. Right? And then therefore, they think that I'm an idiot, or they think that they're, they're supposed to teach me everything, whereas like, no.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know what, what's the word for it? Like they think that I'm less than, Well, it's, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:06]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it's the alpha friend versus the beta friend. Right? Everybody wants to put everything into a nice hierarchy cuz we like ranking, we like putting things in boxes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I can't stand that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:15]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And, and it's one of those things that like, you know, if I happen to be great at foosball and I'm not, by the way, I'm maybe just a smidge above average, but I am not good.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Or, um, what is it called? Table soccer. If somebody sees me playing and I'm like, really good, they assume I'm really good at everything. Likewise, if I'm bad at it, they assume I'm really bad at everything and, and that doesn't </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">compute. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:38]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh, and then, when you do get good at something you're not good at,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">have you ever had friends that get very uptight and, they get, what's the word for it? They. Confused and, um, offended. Yes. Almost insulted. Insulted that suddenly you've improved, right? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:58]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Like you cheated somehow. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:59]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh my god. What is that? Has that happened to you? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh yeah, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">absolutely. Yeah. No, I have had friends in the past and Oh my God.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yeah, so one friend of mine, oh my goodness, we used to play this racing game. I would like go to his house and we'd connect two computers and we'd play this racing game and we were pretty evenly matched. And then a new version of it came out, and I played it for like eight hours a day, every day for a month before I told him it existed.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:28]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, maybe is that why he was upset </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:29]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and then I stomped him and he could never catch up to me. Oh, . And he was like, Honey, he was so offended, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:38]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but hold on. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:39]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Confused </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and pissed. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:41]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay, But was he pissed because you, it's kind of like when there's a show on TV that you all watched together, but then someone watches it before the other person.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Was he upset because you. Ahead of him. Oh, I didn't </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:54]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> tell him I had the game </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> for a while. I know, but he obviously found out. No, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:58]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> no. I said he didn't know any of that. The game </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">just came out. Let's play. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:01]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh, so then he was legit only upset because you were better than you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> was because Was better than he was.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And we used to be pretty evenly </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">matched. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, you find that with people in the workforce. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:11]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> That is true. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:11]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Like all of a sudden if you get a higher ranking position mm-hmm. , they get offended. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Absolutely. And also if they put you in a nice, convenient box, and this is tricky now in what I do cuz I'm what's called a full stack developer.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So I play in the front end, I play in the middle, I play at the back end, I do DevOpsy. All these things are grossly different things. And it's like you have different skill levels in each, but everybody makes the assumption you've got the same skill level at everything and. They can be almost apologetic.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We have one guy on our team who is really good in one part, and he stinks at a different part. And I think the other guy is good at the other thing and bad at the thing that the first guy is good at. But like, they're almost apologetic. Like, you know, I'm sorry I, you know, I don't, you know, can you help me?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And on all the rest of it. And, and for me it's like, it's my responsibility as part of a team. It's my responsibility as part of a friendship. If I have a friend who wants help in a given area, I give it. And I'm very quick to ask for help too. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's another thing I find that people are afraid to ask for help.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">People are very afraid to ask because it's the same thing and because you're admitting you don't, you have foibles. It's admitting you can't do something, so you don't wanna be put into a box. Right. Because most people tend to do that. Yes. It's rare to find the friend that is the confidant. It is rare to have the friend who can not, not judge </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> well.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">I think immature friendships, it is very difficult. I think you have to find that mature friendship. I think you have to go through </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What does that mean?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:50]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Semblance of a crucible as far as like one of you has to go through some stuff. Right. You know, the fact that, Jim, Traveled at a, at, at the drop of a dime, he traveled to see me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That speaks to his character, and that makes it something that I wanna be more like and I try and emulate. But that's a noble thing. Oops. That's a noble thing I emulate. It's not a, you know, it's, it's not me being jealous. It's not me. It's me saying, Oh my God, he is such a wonderful person. I want to be more like, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">He said a good, a great example. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:27]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So he turned into a heroic figure at that moment and made me want to be a heroic </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">figure </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:33]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> man. He was the hero for our family back then, so. Well, I was gonna ask you, what's the fix, Matt? What is the fix when You need a confidant, but there are all these things that you have to look out.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So you just have to look out for it. You have to look out and make sure that you confide in someone who the or the confidant you're looking for has to express their foibles, right? And has to basically have an open mind and not be so judgy, . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:08]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Not necessarily judgey is still okay as long as they're sharing their foibles.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's like, as long as </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> they don't put you in a box right away. I, That's what I mean by judgey. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> What I tell people, what I used to tell people, what I tell people when I find out they're just getting into a relationship, there's a couple of litmus tests and that number one is, everybody has their own rules of dating, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Da, da, da, da. If you find yourself giving up on some of your rules of dating, Are they giving up some of their rules of dating? That's kind of Matt's fundamental, is this something that might go some distance or not? So if you notice yourself saying, Well, if they call me, I'm not gonna call 'em back for three days.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Whatever your silly rule is, you know, if they call me on a Thursday to go out on Friday, I, I will always be busy. Whatever the rule is, it doesn't matter. If you notice yourself relaxing your rules, make sure they are too. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:03]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Mm-hmm. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And if neither one of you is them, that's a whole other story. And then also, if you fight, is my firm belief,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and again, I think I've mentioned this, but like there's a string of five or 10 words I could say right now to you would piss you off, make you upset forever, regardless of whether or not I meant them or not. I, I wouldn't mean them, but everybody has this like group of 10 words. And so when you fight, do they pull this out of their hat.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And if they do, that's a problem.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:36]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Dirty fighting. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:36]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Dirty fighting is a big problem. So again, it's kind of the emotional and it's the mutual respect and it's everything else. And, and it's, it, honestly, those are two signs of mutual respect is you know, when you're going that way and that way you can feel comfortable in telling them your foils.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Now with people who I think might become important to me, I will perhaps share one or two little foils that don't really bother me, or one or two really small ways that I screwed up maybe, but I didn't. But I did, but I didn't. One classic example is classic, such a modern world too. It's not really classic, but I have this picture of this.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's an iced coffee on a bicycle. It's from like a kid's drink place. Not a kid. It's from a coffee place and their kids' club. Anyways, as it turns out, and I made this like my icon for a chat at a job. It </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> was a picture you took of, of </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> a sticker for, Of a sticker for a kids' it, like for kids </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:37]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> drink like </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:38]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> a hot chocolate.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yeah. Something like everybody saw it as beer. It did look like a beer. It does look like a beer as soon as you mention it, but the contact and oh my God, I put that up. That was that on day one at a job. That was my picture, and everybody was like, Well, okay, then I guess we know where his head is at. And they were cool with it, but nobody ever told me for months.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Nobody told me. But I'll tell the story now because it's, it's affordable. It's, it's, you know, should I have seen it? I don't know. So it's a way I screwed up, but maybe I didn't, but maybe I did. It's kind of one of those like tentative, like put it out there and see if they'll give you something similar back.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Mm-hmm. , you know, it's just kind of, But this is what guys oftentimes do. We probe, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> probably poke. It's like having spinach in your teeth. Are you gonna tell the person, Right, they have spinach in their. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:31]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. Are you? It's a good question. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Um, I was gonna say sometimes there are two things that I wanted to say, and maybe that's another topic for another day, but two things that I wanted to say.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">One is sometimes you don't realize that you said something messed up. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:47]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Sometimes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Sometimes you don't realize that it triggered someone. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:51]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yep. That well, yeah, that is absolutely true. Sometimes it's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> to that context, right? You don't, you have no idea. Or sometimes you're so in your head, you don't hear someone say something and then you don't respond.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So like today you told me, Allegra. Yes. First of all, I tell my daughters I love them several million times a day. But yesterday Allegra said, I love you mom. And I was in my head, I was doing a bunch of things. I didn't respond. I didn't hear it and it got quiet in the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> back </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:26]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> seat. I didn't hear it. I just didn't hear her say that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. But you mentioned that this morning when we were by ourselves. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:34]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yep. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm like, Matt, you should have told me. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I know. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:36]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> On the spot. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I know.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:38]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I didn't hear it. I was thinking so loud in my head. I did not, I was not hearing anything. Cause we were fighting. We were all fighting in the car. I mean, not in the car, but you know what I'm saying?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Mm-hmm. , it was. It was just things were tense, right? . Um, so we don't know. Sometimes we don't know. Sometimes. I mean, and it can just scar the person forever. So what do we do there? I mean, you could say, well, just watch your words and be very deliberate because every word is a prayer. Every word is an open sesame, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Every word is creating everything in life. So be very careful of your words. But then if I say that and then I'm like, Okay, well let's just be quiet. The quiet is also word. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:28]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:28]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Case in point. I didn't say I love you back. I didn't hear it, but that was quiet. That could also was harmful. Anyway, what's the fix Matt?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">What do you think? We just have to be completely present. Yes. Just like riding a bike. We were talking about how do you not crash a bike? You have to be completely present. You can't be looking around and saying, Oh my God, look at that tree over here. Or look, ooh, you know, like noticing all this stuff around you, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You have to be present. And so that means maybe you shouldn't be riding the bike. Maybe you should go for a walk and then look at the trees. You know what I'm saying? , until you're fully present, able to be completely anchored right in what you're doing. And I think that we all have so much going. And so much is coming at us.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:18]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh, yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:18]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That, I think that that's the fix. What do you think? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:22]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. I completely concur. It's, it's a very hard thing though, and realize emotion versus logic. You can get blinded due to any number of things. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> all. And then the other thing I wanted to talk about is sometimes you said sometimes you have to watch out.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If the person has a whole bunch of stuff they've stored up and they bring that back up, sometimes I think you should just have the grace to let someone unload whatever they have and just because they unload other things, I don't think it should be a deal break. A parallel example Could be.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So we just moved and we don't understand trash pickup yet in our neighborhood, . Not only that, that we have so much recycling and they only pick up a certain amount of recycling. Oh. Every two weeks. So like all this stuff, like so many cardboard boxes have been waiting to go out. It's. , there's no room anywhere.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like there's there. We had so many boxes, but the other day I was standing on the curb waiting for the driver to come back. Mm-hmm. . So he picked up he went around the loop and was headed back up the street again. And I just stood there and I felt like I had to explain the situation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like, this is not forever, but I have extra stuff for pickup. that I need to unload. I think that goes for emotions too. Sometimes you have to say, Look, I've had a backup of stuff happening. Can you please allow, have the grace mm-hmm. to help me with this extra thing that I need to unload. Right? Yeah, absolutely.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:07]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So that's it for me. Okay. Sounds good. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:12]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So we're both still sick. Just a little. Ugh. It's hard for me. Like I can feel it in my chest, like it's kind of laborious to breathe sometimes. Oh. Anyway, thanks for listening guys. What do you think? Oh, and before we go, Okay. I mean, we talk about confessions and stuff.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Remember there was that website you would look at? Do you still look at it, Matt, where people would post Post secret. Post secret? Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Absolutely. Every se, every Sunday they post new stuff. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:43]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> They're still doing it. Yes. I think that's a modern day confessional, right. For </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:48]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> people. It can be, It's a way of, uh, understanding you're not alone For sure.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And the people feel the same way. And sometimes the things that are expressed are very un politically correct. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:58]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Mm. I mean, so there are, What I'm trying to say is there are other ways, It doesn't have to be religious to unload things if you don't have someone to confide in, there is something, anything out there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And I think, I mean, I do it. I can do it. I'm thinking about it like how, How else can I do it? I can just do it. Talking out into the air, like going out. Just talking out loud to whatever other forces are out there and letting it go. And sometimes I think that's why artists are, are so great.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's why art is so important because it can, that kind of, uh, confessional can come out in a painting. It can come out in a photograph, It can come out in, in anything creative really, as long as you get it out of you. Don't hold on that, you know, we need to release much like you take a breath in, you need to exhale, Let it out, let it go.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I think it's the same thing with our emotions, our thoughts, our experiences that sometimes hold us and bind us. And I think that's the key is to let it go. And that's the whole, the confidant, right? If you. Well, thanks again for listening. Everyone, please make sure you tell other people about our podcast tell them to subscribe.</span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[we all need someone that has our back. We all need someone to confide in. Today we explore the meaning of CONFESSION and realize that it is something more than a religious act; that it is a way to release negativity from our hearts. But how do we know which person or people in our lives we can trust to do this with?
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[00:00:00] Fawn: There is a reason why so many songs can bring us such comfort. Like there's a song that says, Have little faith in me, and that's what we all need is to have someone that has our back. That's one of the parts of the art of Friendship, We have each other's backs, right?
That you know you're not alone, That when you're going through something that someone is there with you. Maybe they've gone through it already, or they can see better than you in certain circumstances. Today's show, I wanna talk about the confidant, and that came from confess. I was listening to Carolyn Myss. She brought up the whole point of, you know, everything's changing and so many religions and everything, and once you leave Earth, it's not about the religion.
It's not, and that, but so many things have been thrown out. What's the saying, Matt? Like, thrown out with the bath water, 
[00:01:04] Matt: throw the baby out with the bath water. 
[00:01:06] Fawn: And one of the things that has been thrown out has been confession. And it made me think, And then we actually talk about, it's, it's so weird because on a parallel level we talk about the same stuff
carolyn May talks about, you probably don't even know who she is. Uh, sort of, okay. So. The whole idea of confession. I started looking into it. I'm like, Well, I, from my perspective, I understand, I don't really understand the religious, religious aspect of confession. Like what is it really there for? Do you know, Matt, did you have confession growing up in the religion you were raised in?
Oh my 
[00:01:44] Matt: goodness. Good Protestants. Don't do the confession. That was one of Martin Luther's issues with Catholicism. 
[00:01:50] Fawn: What's wrong with confession? What I mean, what do you think confession is all about? 
[00:01:55] Matt: Okay, so confession, not unlike communism is a really, really great idea in kind of abstraction. But when you start involving humans into the mix, everything gets messed up.
[00:02:08] Fawn: Why? How so? 
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">A reminder from Goethe: For five minutes a day, look at something beautiful, listen to something beautiful, and think of something beautiful, especially so when you're not feeling so well. </span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">This week we focus on what to do when we don't feel well, and what to do when friends don't feel well.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Welcome back everybody. A reminder from Goethe. Yes, for five minutes a day, look at something beautiful. Listen to something beautiful. Think of something beautiful, especially so when you're not feeling so well . So, hi folks. We caught something. We're two chicken to take a k. So we're just quarantining.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We're just hunkering down the whole family. We don't know what we have, but it seems like all the other things we've had before. Honestly, like the kids get sick, It starts with, a sore throat and then their eyes get glassy and then it's, uh oh, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:42]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and then it's really low energy. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:44]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Mm. It's just quiet. They get quiet.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Exactly. Low energy, and then you're like, Oh, I'm tired. I'm gonna go. And then it's me staying up all night, cleaning up after everything that gets expelled from these kids all night long. Thank you very much. Matt . Why are you looking away? Like there's somebody else I'm talking to in this room. Oh my God.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Matt, why do you do that? ? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:11]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Because I don't wanna accept. Yeah. Anyways. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> All right. I love you. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I know God, but my goodness, I, I try, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:19]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> geez. I mean, remember the day we used to fight over who gets to change a diaper? Well, changing diapers </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> is cool. That's easy </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:28]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> ish. All right, so anyway, we're not feeling so well, so this is gonna be a little short episode.</span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[A reminder from Goethe: For five minutes a day, look at something beautiful, listen to something beautiful, and think of something beautiful, especially so when you're not feeling so well. 
 
This week we focus on what to do when we don't feel well, and what to do when friends don't feel well.
 
TRANSCRIPT - Checking in on A Friend Feeling Under the Weather
[00:00:00] Fawn: Welcome back everybody. A reminder from Goethe. Yes, for five minutes a day, look at something beautiful. Listen to something beautiful. Think of something beautiful, especially so when you're not feeling so well . So, hi folks. We caught something. We're two chicken to take a k. So we're just quarantining.
We're just hunkering down the whole family. We don't know what we have, but it seems like all the other things we've had before. Honestly, like the kids get sick, It starts with, a sore throat and then their eyes get glassy and then it's, uh oh, 
[00:00:42] Matt: and then it's really low energy. 
[00:00:44] Fawn: Mm. It's just quiet. They get quiet.
Exactly. Low energy, and then you're like, Oh, I'm tired. I'm gonna go. And then it's me staying up all night, cleaning up after everything that gets expelled from these kids all night long. Thank you very much. Matt . Why are you looking away? Like there's somebody else I'm talking to in this room. Oh my God.
Matt, why do you do that? ? 
[00:01:11] Matt: Because I don't wanna accept. Yeah. Anyways. 
[00:01:15] Fawn: All right. I love you. 
[00:01:16] Matt: I know God, but my goodness, I, I try, 
[00:01:19] Fawn: geez. I mean, remember the day we used to fight over who gets to change a diaper? Well, changing diapers 
[00:01:25] Matt: is cool. That's easy 
[00:01:28] Fawn: ish. All right, so anyway, we're not feeling so well, so this is gonna be a little short episode.
Bear with us. I don't know if we sound d...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">A reminder from Goethe: For five minutes a day, look at something beautiful, listen to something beautiful, and think of something beautiful, especially so when you're not feeling so well. </span></span></p>
<p> </p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">This week we focus on what to do when we don't feel well, and what to do when friends don't feel well.</span></span></p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>TRANSCRIPT - Checking in on A Friend Feeling Under the Weather</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Welcome back everybody. A reminder from Goethe. Yes, for five minutes a day, look at something beautiful. Listen to something beautiful. Think of something beautiful, especially so when you're not feeling so well . So, hi folks. We caught something. We're two chicken to take a k. So we're just quarantining.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We're just hunkering down the whole family. We don't know what we have, but it seems like all the other things we've had before. Honestly, like the kids get sick, It starts with, a sore throat and then their eyes get glassy and then it's, uh oh, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:42]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and then it's really low energy. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:44]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Mm. It's just quiet. They get quiet.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Exactly. Low energy, and then you're like, Oh, I'm tired. I'm gonna go. And then it's me staying up all night, cleaning up after everything that gets expelled from these kids all night long. Thank you very much. Matt . Why are you looking away? Like there's somebody else I'm talking to in this room. Oh my God.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Matt, why do you do that? ? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:11]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Because I don't wanna accept. Yeah. Anyways. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> All right. I love you. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I know God, but my goodness, I, I try, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:19]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> geez. I mean, remember the day we used to fight over who gets to change a diaper? Well, changing diapers </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> is cool. That's easy </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:28]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> ish. All right, so anyway, we're not feeling so well, so this is gonna be a little short episode.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Bear with us. I don't know if we sound different. Do we sound different? Whatever I, we. We here, here is what happened. I don't know. We wear masks until, Actually, we didn't wear masks when we recorded in a coffee shop, but we were fine for like, well, we were keeping our </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:54]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> distance too. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:56]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> We were fine for two weeks.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I, I have a feeling I know what happened, but what are you gonna do? We're in a small town, which is earth and this is what happens. Anyway. So for five minutes a day, look at something beautiful. Listen to something beautiful. Think of something beautiful. I wanted to talk about what </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I have to, I had to sneeze now.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:28]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> don't, nevermind. Yeah, nevermind. Okay, so, um, now I forgot what I was saying. What was I. For five minutes a day. No, we already talked about that. I know. So that's just to remind us that even if we're not feeling so well, stop playing with your mic, Matt. If we're not playing. If we're not, I don't know what I'm saying.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">bear with me. Especially when you're not feeling well or things aren't going your way, just remember that for five minutes day, look at something beautiful. Listen to something beautiful. Think of something beautiful. And things will turn around. Think about what your end focus is when things are C R A P </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">crap. (Matt gasps with shock at Fawn using a bad word) Am I allowed to say that?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:16]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn (2):</strong></span> I dunno. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> All right. When things are that way, don't look at your circumstances. Think about where you wanna be. A long time ago I was listening to Tony Robbins. And he was telling us about how when race car drivers are in a spinout, is that what you call it, Matt? When? When the car's going and then all of a sudden you spin out control, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">To not look at the spinning area, but pick a point where you wanna be headed. So focus on where you wanna go instead of the actual spinning. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:51]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Because </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">your focus dictates direction, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and that will dictate where the car's gonna go. It's, it will translate. So think about that when things are rough. And then I was also, I just wanted to make a reminder, and I talked about this a while ago, but I read this article, I think it was in Vogue like years ago, about these women who traveled to a country.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It doesn't matter where, but it was a place for vacation. And there, there was , a honeymooning couple I guess, and there was a tragic accident and the husband died and then the government was trying to tell her that she has to sign all these documents while she was dealing with all this, like that same day.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And these two women who did not know this other woman who was going through this tragedy. We're trying to help her and wanted to be there for her. They didn't know her at all and she was like, Leave me alone. Leave me alone. I don't wanna talk to anyone. And they wouldn't, they wouldn't leave her alone.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They're like, Look, you shouldn't sign that. You shouldn't sign it. And it, what it turned out to be was the it the fault with was with something that had to do with whatever agency. That brought them there. Okay. And should she had signed it, it would've, made her responsible for everything and absolved any other party.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So anyway, these women made sure to stay with this other woman, to carry her through this grief and the trauma, even though this woman was like, I don't know you get away from me. I don't wanna talk to you. But they silently and not so silently sometimes just kept on keeping on and they ended up helping her.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I remember, I, I read this story right before when we had just moved to Bainbridge Island and our neighbor's husband died. Remember in the middle of the night I was totally pregnant, couldn't really move around. And </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:02]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it was a crazy night. Storm. Storm. I think it was storm. Super windy. Yeah, there was. And there was big old trees that were just ready to fall </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> over.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So where we lived on Bainbridge, it was when it was windy guys, it was like windy and things would just fall over. We would lose power for two weeks. Remember two weeks that one time, Right? Anyway. And no lights. There were no street lights. So we had just moved there. We just made sure that we said hello to all the neighbors.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We introduced ourselves. Matt, though Sylvia ended up calling you? Yes. And in the middle of the night, Matt goes over there to , resuscitate Mr. Palmer. And you know he passed away. He was </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:50]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> already dead. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So, um, everybody came. The, not everybody came, actually, paramedics came right? Was it the paramedics fire department?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well, all the officials came. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Okay. So I, I was with Mr. Palmer and we were in, I don't know where in the house cuz everything's dark. It was an old house and over end. And I ended up getting pushed backwards away from the paramedics who. Who really knew what they were doing. But like, I called 9 1 1 and I was like, Okay, this is the situation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They're like, Do you wanna resuscitate him? And I said, Sure. And I started performing cpr. Mm-hmm. . And, and then the, when the ambulance guys came in, they, it was like I was in, I was in a room and there was like a hallway behind it, but like it was a hallway to a closet in very old house. And so I ended up</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">fleeing, basically, you know, getting away from the paramedics but not going out the front door. I was caught, I was trapped basically upstairs, right? Without a cell phone with So fun was just, I was in there, I went over there and all of a sudden there's crazy lights </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:03]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and everything, right? And I was watching through the windows trying to figure out what was going on.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like totally pregnant. Did not wanna go. Through whatever woods in the middle of the night, of course. And so anyway, we were new to this neighborhood and none of the other neighbors showed up. And then the next day, none of the neighbors showed up. The day after that, nobody showed up. The day after that, the day after that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And thank goodness that I read, I had read this article, I'm like, Okay, I have to be one of those women, or we have to be one of those women. And so we made sure that we were with her every day, brought her over, cooked our little meals, made sure she ate with us and just made sure we were with her even though she maybe didn't, would, would express, I don't wanna be with anyone.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. But she really. And so even if, you know, that's what we did in that circumstance, but when someone is sick, even if it's just a cold, like no big deal. We're fine guys. We're we're okay? We just got a bug or something. We're getting over it. We're fine. Thank you. I'm knock on wood anyway. Um, even when like a few people text.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And it's not the people that are like, Did you take the cover test? It wasn't like that. It was like, , I'm checking on you. How are you? Right? And then a phone call. Are you okay ? You know, like, don't worry, we're gonna like go and do this thing some other day. Don't worry about it. You guys just wanted to hear your voice.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">How you doing? You know, it made a world's difference. Like it changed the whole atmosphere of the house. Just a text, even a phone call, a quick little like "Hello!" It makes a big difference. You don't have to go outta your way trumping through the woods. You don't have to go trumping through the woods through a hurricane to ease someone that's going through hardship.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">A little message, a little text means a lot. And I think because the world is hit with so much stuff and people feel like they have to make huge grand gestures. I think most people are feeling tired and overwhelmed and, the capacity isn't available, And you think that you have to make these huge gestures and you don't, a little tiny message goes a very long way.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Is that clear? It is. So that's my message. Look at something beautiful. Listen to something beautiful, think of something beautiful. And when someone else is experiencing hardship, figure out a way for them to look at something beautiful. Listen to something beautiful. Could just be your voice or remind them to think of something beautiful and if they can't, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">put something out there, a thought. It could be in a note, that's one of the keys of friendship. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:59]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I can remember there were points in my life where I wasn't doing as well as I should, and for me, In some cases, in one case I was in , I was in college and I reached out. I was a, I was a day camp counselor in, summers during college.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And you know, some kids you form a little bond with some kids you don't. And I called one of the kids that I worked with, he was a c I t, he was older. I met his parents the whole bit. And I just called him. I was, I was having a, I was having a god awful day and I called him, he talked to me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We just had a conversation and you know, even just listening to the, the simplicity of his life made me feel better. It's just having an understanding that just because your life isn't going so well, it's not a question of the entire universe has flipped upside down. It's, it's your life. And so, well, it's not </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:53]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> even your life, it's your perspective at that moment.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And, and yes, sometimes it's that, sometimes it truly is your life. But anyways, but being able to get yourself away from that and more recently, if I'm having a bad day, I'll just have a conversation. And of course, I'm a guy. I don't usually discuss having bad days, but I'll have a discussion with a friend and I'll just hear about what's going on in their life.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And sometimes it's very, very simple, you know? Oh yeah. You know, I'm going out to blah, blah, blah. My kids gotta do da, da da da. And it just, it's just nice to just know that there's a whole world out there that people without the suck , if you will. Right. And that, that's what helps </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> me. Okay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that's it. Anything else to add?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I just added something </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:39]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I know. any more to add. People have been saying, You don't talk too much, that I talk too much. No, they don't say that I talk too much, but they're like, they </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:47]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> don't say you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> talk too much. They wish that you would speak more. Well, I just did and I can see your nose running.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Okay. We better go . All right. I'm gonna go get some hot water. , we wish you well. We love you. Thanks for listening. Please leave us a nice review make sure you tell people to subscribe to our podcast. Thank you again. All the countries around the world that are listening, Oh my goodness.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Thank you. Thank you for allowing this idea of the art of friendship to blossom around the world. We love you so much. We'll talk to you in just a few days. Be well. Bye.</span></span></p>]]>
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This week we focus on what to do when we don't feel well, and what to do when friends don't feel well.
 
TRANSCRIPT - Checking in on A Friend Feeling Under the Weather
[00:00:00] Fawn: Welcome back everybody. A reminder from Goethe. Yes, for five minutes a day, look at something beautiful. Listen to something beautiful. Think of something beautiful, especially so when you're not feeling so well . So, hi folks. We caught something. We're two chicken to take a k. So we're just quarantining.
We're just hunkering down the whole family. We don't know what we have, but it seems like all the other things we've had before. Honestly, like the kids get sick, It starts with, a sore throat and then their eyes get glassy and then it's, uh oh, 
[00:00:42] Matt: and then it's really low energy. 
[00:00:44] Fawn: Mm. It's just quiet. They get quiet.
Exactly. Low energy, and then you're like, Oh, I'm tired. I'm gonna go. And then it's me staying up all night, cleaning up after everything that gets expelled from these kids all night long. Thank you very much. Matt . Why are you looking away? Like there's somebody else I'm talking to in this room. Oh my God.
Matt, why do you do that? ? 
[00:01:11] Matt: Because I don't wanna accept. Yeah. Anyways. 
[00:01:15] Fawn: All right. I love you. 
[00:01:16] Matt: I know God, but my goodness, I, I try, 
[00:01:19] Fawn: geez. I mean, remember the day we used to fight over who gets to change a diaper? Well, changing diapers 
[00:01:25] Matt: is cool. That's easy 
[00:01:28] Fawn: ish. All right, so anyway, we're not feeling so well, so this is gonna be a little short episode.
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>This is not a sad or any kind of sad love story. No, this is a happy thing. This is another baby step  (what we can all do to improve our friendships and our zhuzhiness out in the world, and how we can get to the point where we're creating beautiful bonds).</p>
<p>The notebook is one way. </p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;">It is a beautiful tool to pay attention to the people we meet to get a good understanding of who they are, what they value, and you know, what cool stuff they like. So it's kind of like doing a portrait of someone; a drawing. So you're really paying attention. And later when you look back on it, it's like a portrait of each person. And let's say it's been 20, 30 years, or a long, you know, so many years or you've moved away, wouldn't it be cool to just look back on it and reflect on the different kinds of personalities you met or you remember what you learned from this person back then?<br /><br />It gives you a sense of comfort. In a way, it's kind of like a security blanket to have a little notebook. The notebook is an easy key we can all use to help us as we venture off and explore growing our friendship circle.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;">Fawn and Matt give examples of how precisely the notebook is accomplished.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;">Reach out to us: https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>The Notebook – TRANSCRIPT</strong></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> The notebook. This is not going to be a sad or any kind of sad love story. No, this is a happy thing. We're gonna tell you about the notebook. It'll be like when we did the baby steps; we did a few episodes of baby steps of what we can all do to improve our friendships and our zhuzhiness out in the world, and how we can get to the point where we're creating beautiful bonds.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">The notebook is one way. So here it is, guys. Hello. Welcome back. I'm Fawn. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello? I'm still </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:37]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> here. This is Matt. One of the other things that I've been turning to lately, because we are in a completely new environment and we've been meeting so many people, really making an effort to not be lazy. Now we're out there and we're making sure that we're not lazy with our SEL skills. Social emotional learning, as well as, the skills you muster up or the courage you muster up when you're meeting people and when you see someone and you wanna become friends friends, or at least spark something , something wonderful, a wonderful conversation, a little, meet cute moment, a feel good moment, whatever it is, right? The notebook comes in handy. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Matt actually has been doing this with beer and other things and other things. . Matt has a beer notebook. So when we moved to Boulder, There were so many beers knobs there, and that's when we got into a crowd of friends.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That was their business. Is that they, what? What did they do? Soma, or how do you say it? Soma, Somal. How do you say </span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[This is not a sad or any kind of sad love story. No, this is a happy thing. This is another baby step  (what we can all do to improve our friendships and our zhuzhiness out in the world, and how we can get to the point where we're creating beautiful bonds).
The notebook is one way. 
It is a beautiful tool to pay attention to the people we meet to get a good understanding of who they are, what they value, and you know, what cool stuff they like. So it's kind of like doing a portrait of someone; a drawing. So you're really paying attention. And later when you look back on it, it's like a portrait of each person. And let's say it's been 20, 30 years, or a long, you know, so many years or you've moved away, wouldn't it be cool to just look back on it and reflect on the different kinds of personalities you met or you remember what you learned from this person back then?It gives you a sense of comfort. In a way, it's kind of like a security blanket to have a little notebook. The notebook is an easy key we can all use to help us as we venture off and explore growing our friendship circle.
Fawn and Matt give examples of how precisely the notebook is accomplished.
Reach out to us: https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
The Notebook – TRANSCRIPT

[00:00:00] Fawn: The notebook. This is not going to be a sad or any kind of sad love story. No, this is a happy thing. We're gonna tell you about the notebook. It'll be like when we did the baby steps; we did a few episodes of baby steps of what we can all do to improve our friendships and our zhuzhiness out in the world, and how we can get to the point where we're creating beautiful bonds.
 The notebook is one way. So here it is, guys. Hello. Welcome back. I'm Fawn. 
[00:00:35] Matt: Hello? I'm still 
[00:00:37] Fawn: here. This is Matt. One of the other things that I've been turning to lately, because we are in a completely new environment and we've been meeting so many people, really making an effort to not be lazy. Now we're out there and we're making sure that we're not lazy with our SEL skills. Social emotional learning, as well as, the skills you muster up or the courage you muster up when you're meeting people and when you see someone and you wanna become friends friends, or at least spark something , something wonderful, a wonderful conversation, a little, meet cute moment, a feel good moment, whatever it is, right? The notebook comes in handy. 
Matt actually has been doing this with beer and other things and other things. . Matt has a beer notebook. So when we moved to Boulder, There were so many beers knobs there, and that's when we got into a crowd of friends.
That was their business. Is that they, what? What did they do? Soma, or how do you say it? Soma, Somal. How do you say 
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                    <![CDATA[<p>This is not a sad or any kind of sad love story. No, this is a happy thing. This is another baby step  (what we can all do to improve our friendships and our zhuzhiness out in the world, and how we can get to the point where we're creating beautiful bonds).</p>
<p>The notebook is one way. </p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;">It is a beautiful tool to pay attention to the people we meet to get a good understanding of who they are, what they value, and you know, what cool stuff they like. So it's kind of like doing a portrait of someone; a drawing. So you're really paying attention. And later when you look back on it, it's like a portrait of each person. And let's say it's been 20, 30 years, or a long, you know, so many years or you've moved away, wouldn't it be cool to just look back on it and reflect on the different kinds of personalities you met or you remember what you learned from this person back then?<br /><br />It gives you a sense of comfort. In a way, it's kind of like a security blanket to have a little notebook. The notebook is an easy key we can all use to help us as we venture off and explore growing our friendship circle.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;">Fawn and Matt give examples of how precisely the notebook is accomplished.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;">Reach out to us: https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>The Notebook – TRANSCRIPT</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="center"><br /><br /></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> The notebook. This is not going to be a sad or any kind of sad love story. No, this is a happy thing. We're gonna tell you about the notebook. It'll be like when we did the baby steps; we did a few episodes of baby steps of what we can all do to improve our friendships and our zhuzhiness out in the world, and how we can get to the point where we're creating beautiful bonds.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">The notebook is one way. So here it is, guys. Hello. Welcome back. I'm Fawn. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello? I'm still </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:37]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> here. This is Matt. One of the other things that I've been turning to lately, because we are in a completely new environment and we've been meeting so many people, really making an effort to not be lazy. Now we're out there and we're making sure that we're not lazy with our SEL skills. Social emotional learning, as well as, the skills you muster up or the courage you muster up when you're meeting people and when you see someone and you wanna become friends friends, or at least spark something , something wonderful, a wonderful conversation, a little, meet cute moment, a feel good moment, whatever it is, right? The notebook comes in handy. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Matt actually has been doing this with beer and other things and other things. . Matt has a beer notebook. So when we moved to Boulder, There were so many beers knobs there, and that's when we got into a crowd of friends.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That was their business. Is that they, what? What did they do? Soma, or how do you say it? Soma, Somal. How do you say </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:52]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> that word? Cicerone actually is a sommelier for beer. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:55]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Sommelier . Okay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:57]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> But it's a sommelier for </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">beer. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:58]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> They're very serious. It's serious business. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It is. Right, it is and and finding something you enjoy Sometimes, you know, you have to calibrate it just like anything else.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You have to figure out what kind of works, what doesn't work, and get people's opinions and all the rest of, It's a great way to actually spark up a conversation with people. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So there's a lot of note taking involved </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">for you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:20]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. Oh yeah. You'll forget perhaps different things you've tried. So vectoring </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:28]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> in, and you did it besides beer, you did it with other things.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You always had one of those tiny, cute little art notebooks. They're very thin, they're cute. You always carry that in your back pocket. Every time you have a thought or you see something interesting or someone says something, you always jot it down. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:48]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> How many times have you been out and you've seen something cool?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Or somebody mentions a website and you're like, Oh yes. How could I ever forget the name of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you get home and you're like, I don't remember what the name of the website </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">was. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Usually we'll turn to each other and it sucks when neither one of us remembers. Right? What that thing was that we swore we would never, ever forget.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Of course not, right? Of course. No, never</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:12]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> ridiculous. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:12]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Or like our children remember everything, but now they're getting to an age where they're like, Harumph </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and, and they're not paying attention to the things we're paying attention to. They just don't care. So , I wouldn't go that far. I would just say that their memories are still awesomely excellent.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Which is very cool. But there's a lot of other </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">stuff in there now.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I think they're realizing there's so much, um, so many things. Mm-hmm. that are getting your attention. Right. So you start to edit. So anyway, I started to really turn to my notebook because every time I met someone, I started to write down who they were, their names.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Cause I even forget a person's face. Mm-hmm. . It's really bizarre to my own self that I'm a photographer because I don't pay attention to details like that. I pay attention to a feeling, a vibe; that's what I remember. Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and also sometimes you'll get caught up and you will meet like five people in rapid succession.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Good </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">luck. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:10]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh my God. So I'll write the person's name down and what I've been doing is it's in my little tiny journal, which is my appointment book. Mm-hmm. I'll write down quotes like when they say something really cool, I'll put it in quotes and say, This is what Sarah said or Jane or Maryanne.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">I write down things that they say that are remarkable. I write down things that are really important to them, so I make sure I remember. Mm-hmm. Sometimes I'll write down when I find out they're allergic to something, make sure I write that down right. So when they come over to our house, I know not to serve that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right, Right. And not make a big fuss about it. It just won't be, Do you know what I mean? Yeah. It's good to remember, but there is so much to </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">remember. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. Yes, there is. And in my, in my world, when I start a new job, it's like you're on a team, you've got three or four people, and they all tell you rapid fire who they are, and people always tell you who they are.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Remember that. And if you don't write it down, you won't necessarily remember it because you're meeting so many people so fast. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> People tell you what's important to them right off the bat. And when you just said, Matt, people tell you who they are, do you mean like they tell you exactly who they are? So, Is that what </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">you're talking about personality wise?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It's like if they say, Don't trust me, then don't trust them. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:28]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh my God. Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:28]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> But also they'll also tell you, Yeah, especially in this day and age, it's like we're, we're across the country. I, I don't get to hang, I, I don't see the persons necessarily their space because everybody blurs their backgrounds. You have to really pay attention to everything they say and take down everything that they say to get a good understanding of who they are, what they value, and you know, what cool stuff they </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:51]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> like.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So it's kind of like doing a portrait of someone. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:56]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> A drawing. So you're really paying attention. And later when you look back on it, like what if you have a separate notebook for friends only?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Mm-hmm</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:06]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and when you look back on it, it's like a portrait of each person. And let's say it's been 20, 30 years, or a long, you know, so many years or you've moved away.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:15]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Wouldn't it be cool to just look back on it? And go, Oh, this is the personality that I met. This is the kind of personality that was in my life back then.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> or you start remembering what you learned from this person back then. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Matt, are you okay? Your stomach is growling. I know. Are you hungry or </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> is there a problem?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I think I'm hungry, but I'm not </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> sure what? Are you stressed </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> out? Yes, I'm very stressed. Conversation stressing me. Serious. No, I'm good. Take it easy. Um, Need </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:43]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> more coffee. Oh my gosh. So anyway, we've been having a lot of coffee lately. Well, Matt has even I have had coffee because it's kind of like drinking Matt.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's like alcohol. I'm not a coffee drinker, but because we've been meeting people, meeting people at different places. Mm-hmm. , I've been drinking coffee. How, I guess how people go to bars and they have drinks. , now I'm having caffeine and, um, caffeine doesn't agree with me. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:15]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> No, it does not.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh my goodness.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like I'm, I'm just, I was already in pain from the move, but now I'm like, I'm tired. Um, now I really wanna sleep at night and I can't , like, it's just, I would just like to sip on hot water, but you, you can't go somewhere in. Water order. Order. Hot water. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:36]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hot water order. Oh dear. Well, yeah, certainly. Yeah.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Nevermind. Time change has gotten us a little bit, folks. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:43]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh my God. I've turned into one of those people. Like, can I just have a cup of hot water with some lemon? When people used to come and order that, I would get so mad as a barista. Oh no. I would serve coffee. I'm like, Really? . Because it's free. You know, like I'm like, there is a tax you have to pay when you go to a coffee shop.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well, yeah. You pay rent, you have to order stuff. You have to pay rent by the hour. You pay rent. You can't sit there with one drink and sit there for three or four hours. I learned that from my, Do you remember where I learned that from, Matt? No, my very, um, cute, sexy, um, police officer in France that I dated for.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">He taught me that . Anyways, back to notebooks, Shall we? Notebooks? But see a note I took, but I didn't write it down. Anyways, I think it's really important to do that because it takes the pressure off and then you're not embarrassed by certain things. Like I met two different people in two days. In my mind, I, I started to mix up details from each person, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:47]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> of course.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> They were kind of similar. , which was remarkable because they're both really individualistic, like completely different people. But they both had some things in common. Mm-hmm. . And so I was starting to mix them up and I almost out loud switched up their names. When I, you know, like when you're with someone, you call 'em by a different name, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So anyway, it stops you from doing that. It gives you a sense of comfort. In a way, it's kind of like a security blanket to have a little notebook. And I do wonder, Matt, when, so I was taking notes as people were talking to me, and they knew that I wrote down something they just said, and I made it very clear that I was taking notes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Mm-hmm</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but I wonder how they felt. How would you feel, would you feel like, would you feel more important if you knew that everything you said, I'm completely paying attention to? And writing it down. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I think I'd wanna see what you were writing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, I kind of tell them, Wow, that was brilliant. Hold on a second.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Let me, let me quote you on that. Well, and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:52]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> there's, and so that's very flattering. It's just if, if some, if, if I was sitting there and like, A traditional, I guess, 1950s, um, psychologist, psychiatrist was writing down what I said. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:03]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'd be like, Oh, I hate that. No, I'm not comfortable now. No, I, I also have the notebook kind of like open mm-hmm.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and I'm not hiding it like those psychologists do. I'm not doing that. , but I, Yeah, I'm very clear. Like, Oh, and what, Wait, wait a minute. What is this cool place you just mentioned what was, how do you spell that? Right? So they know what I'm writing, right? Um, yeah. It'll make it a secretive thing, but<strong> I think the notebook is an easy key we can all use to help us as we venture off and we explore growing our friendship circle.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So what do you think? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:38]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> As an avid notebook person, you know, usually at the end of any conversation that I'll have with somebody, particularly somebody I'm meeting brand new, yeah, I'll write down their names cuz God, I'm terrible with names, so that allows me to go back over it and make sure I've got it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Particularly if you're moving to a new place and you have new neighbors, you really don't wanna forget their names. You know, you can get away with asking, what was your name again? Once and that's, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:01]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And I wanna say that please don't do this on your phone. Do not take notes on your phone. Get an actual physical notebook.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:09]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, if you take notes on your phone, then know it looks like you're antisocial. Somebody could be thinking you're, you're Facebooking or whatever, whatever else those people </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> do on their phones. No, it's different when you have a pen or pencil and a piece of paper that you're, it, It's not the same kind of rude mm-hmm.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Do you know what I'm saying? Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:27]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and also it's. Because you want it to be as, as </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:30]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> well. I don't know. There's some people that organic possible. I don't know. Some, Most people are very super, super fast on their phones and that fast. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:39]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Always Dang. Okay. Cause oh my god, I can't, I can't hit the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:43]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> buttons fast enough.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's because we don't like technology like that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:46]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I suppose. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But yeah, don't use your phones. Get a notebook. There are so many cute little notebooks on there. There. Get </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:52]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> a notebook Oh oh and pro tip for your notebook for me anyways, cuz I thrash them. Lot of places offer stickers like coffee places and Whatnots will offer you stickers.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Get 'em and put 'em on the outside of your notebook because they'll protect it. Cuz I thrash my poor notebooks. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's because you sit on your, your notebooks. Well </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:11]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> exactly. You put 'em in your back pocket because my notebook is always on me as I pull it out. Oh my goodness. . Yeah. My current one has a Maverick sticker and and a receipt.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:21]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, you sticker it's curved to the same shape as your butt. Yep. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, no, it's, it's thin. It's 50 some odd pages or something, so it, it, it fits Nice. Soft cover. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:33]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Nice. Yeah. Well, mine are the same. , but I put mine in my bag and I like to keep them pristine. And then I like to line all them up on my desk and I can go chronologically looking at things. Don't put things on your phone.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It could be stolen, it could be like, people can like swipe it. Just don't do it. And that way you can doodle, you can like get a crayon you can add art to it. You </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:00]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> can journal, you can, Yeah. Everything else, everything else you wanna do. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So anyway, that's our, that's our little friendship tip for today, the notebook.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Anything else you wanna add?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Nope. I had to think </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:13]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> about it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:13]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> for a second. , do you wanna like give an example? A beer note that you make, Like what? I still to this day, don't know what you write about beer. Like, what is it? It tastes good. Okay. What do you write in there? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:28]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Okay. Sometimes you forget. Sometimes you want different things in, in a beverage, in a friend, in a conversation, in a whatever.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so you write down your feelings. You write down how it, how it matures when it gets warmer, cuz beer tastes differently from cold to warm. It does. The complexities. Sometimes you want something simple, sometimes you don't. Alcoholic levels, sometimes you want something, hits you heavier, sometimes you don't.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's just there's a, there's a lot in there. And plus, you know, keeping track of a, um, a vendor, you know, I. Ex beer is da da da because you'll sometimes you'll forget, particularly if something fades from view for a while or you take a look and there's a beer that's by the same people who made another beer you drank that you really didn't like.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There's a couple like that. They keep luring me back in and I finally got to a point where it's like, No, not for that. I don't care what the, what the beer, what yeah, what they say. But you know, it's, it's, notebooks is a memory aid here, folks, and this way, it's like I can go through it and I, I don't have to remember it particularly if I don't know how important or not something is going to be same, same thing, sadly or gratefully goes with people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Some people become very important outta nowhere and some people fade from view you thought would be important </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:46]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and everybody touches your life in some way. And also you learn about yourself. Remember, like we would go back on our notes and go, Oh my God, that was this time last year. I totally forgot we </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:57]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> did that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right? And that's, that's, uh, that's a very important thing too. Yes. Is, is actually reviewing, going back through and really having a good understanding because God doesn't it seem like, Time just moves faster and faster and faster. It, it works, and then it slows to a crawl, and then it's faster, faster, faster.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So, you know, in, in some cases it's like this month just, I don't remember it at all. And in other cases it's like, Will this week ever end? Mm-hmm. . So, yeah, it can be important to write things down. It's, I think it's always important to write things down and it's, it's important to go ahead and review. You know, I'm a big fan of, of reviewing almost everything just to make sure I, I do it right and I present myself the way I wanna present myself.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that, you know, hopefully I'm seen, I'm seen the way I want to be. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It gives you a certain clarity as well, like we talked about. Remember, everyone always tells you exactly who they are. Yes. So believe them. Yes. So taking note on exactly what they said, sometimes you forget and sometimes you know the world is a small town and everyone is your friend.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">but what kind of friend are they? Not every friend turns out to be great for you. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:15]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> True. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Do you know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. . And there are always clues along the way that you kind of like let slide, but you can really like write down your feelings, even if it's a little doodle. And then really like, think to yourself like be very present and be very non-judgemental, but like just, uh, give yourself a certain perspective.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Mm. So if someone does say something or you get a certain feeling, then meditate on that. You know what I'm saying? Like absolutely. Like we met a kid today. . Charlie . How old do you think this kid was? Six. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Six. Six Seems </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:56]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> about right. Oh my God. The cutest. Cutest. He's a little man. Amazing. He was there with his grandfather.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And they were like </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> twins. He was like perfect, perfectly poised. It was a bizarre thing to see and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:10]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> we were having such a great conversation with him. Mm-hmm. like a full on conversation and then this one woman shows up, dun, dun, dun. And all of a sudden Charlie wouldn't even look at this person and didn't wanna say hello to this person.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. I thought that was a little odd. Yes. I was like, Oh, sh, you know, in my head I was say, thinking. Shit Talki, what's happened? Hey. Um, and then immediately everything changed. And yes, he very calmly turned and said, I'm done. He, he told </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:44]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> his grandpa he </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:45]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> was done, so I'm done. And he headed for the door. Yep.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So he couldn't get outta there fast enough, but, and I was thinking, Well, how brilliant is that? Because whatever he picked up on, I also picked up on. But I was, um, allowing myself to not let that show. because I don't wanna offend anyone. Mm-hmm. and I, you know, I wanna give grace to the situation and give a second chance because my instinct was the same as his.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I don't know what happened. Right. I don't know if this other person that came to the table had pain and we both picked up on it and we weren't in the place to allow that pain penetrate us. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, he certainly wasn't </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> so he wasn't, Yeah, right. Exactly. Now, and I found that to be quite inspiring, but I'm like, well, wow.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The responsibility we feel like we have as adults to carry that with us. Whereas this kid was like, nuts, do this. I'm not having any of this. Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:40]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. You don't have to accept somebody's anything. You can, You can refuse delivery. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:46]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You can refuse delivery, but at the same time, you can still help without having to accept the delivery.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know what I mean? Right. And it's something, as an adult, you learn how to do. Not, not an adult, but like it's something that can be learned. Yes. That should be learned, right? Mm-hmm. by everyone Anyway. I think that when you have a notebook like that, you can in some fashion, put that in there. So that's the tip.</span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[This is not a sad or any kind of sad love story. No, this is a happy thing. This is another baby step  (what we can all do to improve our friendships and our zhuzhiness out in the world, and how we can get to the point where we're creating beautiful bonds).
The notebook is one way. 
It is a beautiful tool to pay attention to the people we meet to get a good understanding of who they are, what they value, and you know, what cool stuff they like. So it's kind of like doing a portrait of someone; a drawing. So you're really paying attention. And later when you look back on it, it's like a portrait of each person. And let's say it's been 20, 30 years, or a long, you know, so many years or you've moved away, wouldn't it be cool to just look back on it and reflect on the different kinds of personalities you met or you remember what you learned from this person back then?It gives you a sense of comfort. In a way, it's kind of like a security blanket to have a little notebook. The notebook is an easy key we can all use to help us as we venture off and explore growing our friendship circle.
Fawn and Matt give examples of how precisely the notebook is accomplished.
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The Notebook – TRANSCRIPT

[00:00:00] Fawn: The notebook. This is not going to be a sad or any kind of sad love story. No, this is a happy thing. We're gonna tell you about the notebook. It'll be like when we did the baby steps; we did a few episodes of baby steps of what we can all do to improve our friendships and our zhuzhiness out in the world, and how we can get to the point where we're creating beautiful bonds.
 The notebook is one way. So here it is, guys. Hello. Welcome back. I'm Fawn. 
[00:00:35] Matt: Hello? I'm still 
[00:00:37] Fawn: here. This is Matt. One of the other things that I've been turning to lately, because we are in a completely new environment and we've been meeting so many people, really making an effort to not be lazy. Now we're out there and we're making sure that we're not lazy with our SEL skills. Social emotional learning, as well as, the skills you muster up or the courage you muster up when you're meeting people and when you see someone and you wanna become friends friends, or at least spark something , something wonderful, a wonderful conversation, a little, meet cute moment, a feel good moment, whatever it is, right? The notebook comes in handy. 
Matt actually has been doing this with beer and other things and other things. . Matt has a beer notebook. So when we moved to Boulder, There were so many beers knobs there, and that's when we got into a crowd of friends.
That was their business. Is that they, what? What did they do? Soma, or how do you say it? Soma, Somal. How do you say 
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Welcome back everybody.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> this is Fawn and Matt. Case of the missing couch and FedEx and the opportunity to meet friends, the opportunity to make friends in almost every situation, even situations where it seems like, things are awry. You all know we moved and we have had so many deliveries.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We had no furniture, we bought furniture and a lot of it was being delivered through FedEx and one very heavy package was lost out in the world. No idea where; nobody knew where it was. Lots of calls to the company we bought it from , lots of calls to FedEx.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Nobody knew. Ultimately it was this FedEx delivery that landed us to this new friendship, friendship that we're telling you about. So what happened was the couch was missing. It was declared, lost. FedEx said, oh, it was delivered to the wrong address . But we don't know where it is now.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm like, well, what, what address was it delivered to? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:11]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. Nice and simple. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:12]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> They wouldn't tell me anyway, one morning I go to bed at 4:30 in the morning because I was unpacking and doing whatever work that needs to be done in this house. And I went to bed at 4:30 and around seven o'clock, seven 30.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Was it seven o'clock Matt?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:31]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It was around 7. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:33]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> There's a knock at the door. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:34]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Boom, boom, boom. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> The kids are running upstairs. They're like, there's someone at the door. This man in yellow is at the door. He wants something. And I was thinking, oh my God, another salesperson, like, because </span></span></p>
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[00:00:00] Fawn: Welcome back everybody.
[00:00:01] Matt: Hello, 
[00:00:02] Fawn: this is Fawn and Matt. Case of the missing couch and FedEx and the opportunity to meet friends, the opportunity to make friends in almost every situation, even situations where it seems like, things are awry. You all know we moved and we have had so many deliveries.
We had no furniture, we bought furniture and a lot of it was being delivered through FedEx and one very heavy package was lost out in the world. No idea where; nobody knew where it was. Lots of calls to the company we bought it from , lots of calls to FedEx.
Nobody knew. Ultimately it was this FedEx delivery that landed us to this new friendship, friendship that we're telling you about. So what happened was the couch was missing. It was declared, lost. FedEx said, oh, it was delivered to the wrong address . But we don't know where it is now.
I'm like, well, what, what address was it delivered to? 
[00:01:11] Matt: Right. Nice and simple. 
[00:01:12] Fawn: They wouldn't tell me anyway, one morning I go to bed at 4:30 in the morning because I was unpacking and doing whatever work that needs to be done in this house. And I went to bed at 4:30 and around seven o'clock, seven 30.
Was it seven o'clock Matt?
[00:01:31] Matt: It was around 7. 
[00:01:33] Fawn: There's a knock at the door. 
[00:01:34] Matt: Boom, boom, boom. 
[00:01:34] Fawn: The kids are running upstairs. They're like, there's someone at the door. This man in yellow is at the door. He wants something. And I was thinking, oh my God, another salesperson, like, because 
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Case of the missing couch, FedEx, and the opportunity to meet friends; the opportunity to make friends in almost every situation, even situations where it seems like, things are awry. Proof that friendship exists everywhere.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Welcome back everybody.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> this is Fawn and Matt. Case of the missing couch and FedEx and the opportunity to meet friends, the opportunity to make friends in almost every situation, even situations where it seems like, things are awry. You all know we moved and we have had so many deliveries.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We had no furniture, we bought furniture and a lot of it was being delivered through FedEx and one very heavy package was lost out in the world. No idea where; nobody knew where it was. Lots of calls to the company we bought it from , lots of calls to FedEx.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Nobody knew. Ultimately it was this FedEx delivery that landed us to this new friendship, friendship that we're telling you about. So what happened was the couch was missing. It was declared, lost. FedEx said, oh, it was delivered to the wrong address . But we don't know where it is now.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm like, well, what, what address was it delivered to? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:11]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. Nice and simple. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:12]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> They wouldn't tell me anyway, one morning I go to bed at 4:30 in the morning because I was unpacking and doing whatever work that needs to be done in this house. And I went to bed at 4:30 and around seven o'clock, seven 30.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Was it seven o'clock Matt?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:31]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It was around 7. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:33]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> There's a knock at the door. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:34]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Boom, boom, boom. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> The kids are running upstairs. They're like, there's someone at the door. This man in yellow is at the door. He wants something. And I was thinking, oh my God, another salesperson, like, because </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> we found our fair share of those </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">too.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. As soon as you move, lots of people come over and they, they want you to use their services. So I wasn't very friendly. I was like, who is it? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> What do you want?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I was kind of leaning out as much as I could from the window and I wasn't dressed. So it was like super early for me, because I had only gone to bed at four 30 and it was like seven.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Oops. So it was this man. Did he introduce himself as Al to you? He did. That's why he's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:14]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Al to </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">me, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> he's Al to you and everybody's like, oh, you mean Alan? He never goes by Al I'm. Like, he told us Al </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> you know what? Anyway, it was early. So who knows? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> We digress. Anyway. He's like, I have had your package at my house, and this is where I live.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We're like, whoa, we don't even know where that is. Like, we have no idea </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> where, well I heard I live at and (nondiscript sound) <span style="color:#b2b2b2;">(non discript)</span> </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">then a word . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:37]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And so you went down to get his address. So I'm like, okay, cool. We'll deal with it. And in the next 30 minutes, so I thought I could go and just close my eyes for another 30, you know, when you're so tired, Your eyes are burning.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I was like that. I was just like, let me just close my eyes for 30 minutes, a few minutes later. Boom, boom, boom. The kids were running upstairs. There's someone out the door, it's a woman this time and I'm like, okay. And I go to the same window from upstairs and I can't see them. I'm like, who is it? And this woman comes up and she means business.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">She's like, I have a package of yours. Come get it. I'm at this address. I'm like, I don't know where that is. We just moved here. We have no idea the street names, like, I don't know, and I need to grab a pencil. Can you just give me 30 seconds? And I'll be right down in 30 seconds. So within 15, 20 seconds, I got something on me and I was running down the stairs.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I opened the front door and there's no one there. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Whshoo (Matt makes a </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">fast </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> running sound).</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I thought I was hallucinating. . I'm like, did I make this up? Did, did this really happen? I'm like Matt, she disappeared. You saw her, right? You heard her? You're like, yeah. I'm like, she's not here. I don't know what to do. So that now that's two packages.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Two separate houses came to us today saying they have our package</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:58]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and we were missing two things </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:59]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and we were missing two things from FedEx. As I'm standing there, I was about to start crying cause I was just exhausted and overwhelmed. All of a sudden, this van pulls up and out outcomes, this woman and a man that was with her that looked like a superhero right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Muscles like the size of bowling balls. on his arms, right? Yes. And so he's like lift, I, I didn't like time was warped because all of a sudden I blink and then you're carrying this thing with this man. Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I wasn't just gonna let him do it. Come </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">on. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, I mean, I'm saying I blinked and then boom, there you. at the van and walking backwards with this heavy </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:42]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:42]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> package.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And this woman who was guiding you guys, and then she saved you cuz you were headed fast into the pole, the light, the light, the lamp pole, whatever it's called. I don't know. It would've been bad. You were headed right for it. Right. She saved you. And at the same time, She was helping me. She's like, oh honey.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And she gave me a hug cuz she, she saw tears up like welling up in my eyes anyway. So that is how we met Bridget and Russ. They delivered this thing to our door right before work. And then. Took off. And then we had to figure out who were these people like and where do they live? And thank goodness, our neighbor next door knows everybody .</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so she told us, oh, I think they're at this address now they're like two and a half blocks away. Right. It's just, it gives you an idea of this community. Like that was amazing that they did that. Right. And so now we had to track the first man Allen and where he lived and it turns out he's cousins with the next door neighbor in some fashion.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Loosely termed, maybe cousin. I don't know. I don't, we don't know. We don't know. So anyway, that sparked a beautiful little "Meet Cute"</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">before, before all this happened, we bought 300. Thank you cards 300, probably over 300, actually. Maybe it's three 50. It doesn't matter. We bought a lot of thank you cards.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes, we did. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:18]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And for a family member who did something really nice for us, we sent 40 thank yous for one particular thing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:27]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It was really funny to have all 40 show up at their mailbox </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:31]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> almost the same time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. Minus one.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">So this message is about looking at every opportunity as an opening for a "Meet-Cute", an opening for a friendship. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:46]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, what, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">what's a meet </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">cute? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> A "Meet-Cute". We learned the term Meet-Cute from a movie we saw. In the old older movies meet cutes were where the lead characters in a movie come together in a cute way.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like, like people who end up falling in love with each other, but I use the term for friendships meet cute. It's how you meet. It's the story that evolves. It's the story that revolves around how you meet. Meet Cute. Right? How would you, how did y'all meet? How did you, how would you describe </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Meet cute. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:20]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> No, that's perfect.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yeah, it's a story you can tell if somebody ever asks you, how did y'all meet? Well, in this case with, with these people, it was like, well, they showed up one day with the couch </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> FedEx brought us together a missed delivery, but in a way, like to not get upset over a</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">mixed up situation, to see how there was a gift in it, there was a gift within the loss of this package. We could have gotten upset over it, things happen. Right. But there's always a gift in the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">situation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:52]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. And you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">can interpret it a variety of different ways.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like when they first showed up with the couch, I. Well, this is a woman who just didn't wanna wait for us and just said, screw it. I'm just gonna drop the couch off on the front porch. And that's how we, and that's how I interpreted it initially. She was just frustrated with our inability to actually make it to the door.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And yeah, I thought, yeah, it's amazing where our thoughts go because I thought, oh, she hates us. like, she's probably thinking who are these buffoons? Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I just don't want these people anywhere near my house. So I'm just gonna drop this off here and just not have to deal </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">with them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:30]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> We just went to the worst place.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And that's what happens when you're tired also true. Right. And you're, you're overwhelmed. And when we first moved here, we were definitely swindled by a crook. So we were on guard also. Right. And so, you know, no matter what happens, you can have your feelings hurt. You can have situations where people do you wrong.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's really important to stay open and positive and not hold a grudge about life, right? Because of the circumstances that happen, things go awry, messes happen, but just know there are always gifts available. That's the message for today. We're not gonna talk too long. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:13]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, for me, it's intent. And, how you choose to view things again, which is kind of restating what you said. If you assume good intent from people. And you attempt to see good intent from people then, you have a shot at making a friend. If you assume bad intent all the time from people, then you're closing yourself off.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that's actually sadly where we started. But as it turns out, Bridget was so lovely. It was impossible to stay there. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:44]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Bridget and Russ. Yes, A love story. And so what happened was that we used our thank you cards. We made sure that we didn't leave it there. Cause we could have left it there. We could have left it as, oh, that was nice.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They delivered this thing to us and we said, thank you at the time we could have left it there, but we wanted to pursue it. We wanted to get to know these people. So we wrote, thank you. Thank you. Card and Allegra Baked a baguette, a freshly baked like hot baguette. Delicious. And we figured out the address from our next door neighbor and we delivered it to her and she, I don't think she recognized us when we pounded on our door.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">No and we explained really quickly who we were. She's like, oh yeah, we were. So we gave her the thank you card and the bread and left her phone number and said, please, please. If there's anything we can do for you we're we we've got you. Right. And that we'd like to keep, keep in touch and we invited her over.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And she actually, before that invited us in, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:49]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> she did, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:50]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> which is rare also, you know, you knock on someone's door. It's rare that anyone says, please come in. You know what I'm saying? Yes. And that was the first thing she did. Right. And there </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> was like four of us. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:03]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hello? Yeah, we had the kids with us, we didn't go in because we had to go back home really quick to make dinner.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I had work to do, but this is another example of always going further to do one more little baby step towards a friendship. And for me, for us, that was making sure that we kept in touch with these. that Bridget and Russ are family members. We're family, we're friends. You know what I'm saying now?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Absolutely. And so we invited them over to something that we're doing today. We're planting a tree. We're going to do a little ceremony in honor of friendship, community and family. We're baking cupcakes and we've invited all the neighbors to partake in a cupcake and the sprinkling of water into this newly planted tree in our front yard to, to what's.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">How, how would you explain it, that to bring about </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">community.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:02]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah, it's about bringing the community together for an event and the event can be trivial. It's in the same way that I describe I'll text the people I know that I haven't talked to in a while thanksgiving's an excellent opportunity to do this, just to say, Hey, happy Thanksgiving, hope all's going well, peace out.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:21]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And you know, that's one way of at least applying a little tension on the friendship to, you know, if they respond back then, you know, maybe you guys can have a conversation or whatever it is, but this again helps foster that kind of a thing. But this is face to </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">face. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Really not waiting for a Thanksgiving.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:39]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:40]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Just doing it randomly. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:42]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Throughout the year. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:42]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And that's just, it, I said, Thanksgiving is a good opportunity cuz Thanksgiving's coming down the pike, but so is Halloween. So is, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> there's always something </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:50]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> there's always something fall Equinox and who </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> happened just for the fun of it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:54]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And sometimes it's just because of Saturday.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:56]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hey. Yeah, exactly. Sometimes it's I feel like baking a cupcake, everybody come over and partake, you know, and. That's that's the thing. we're actively pursuing that. Now. Be brave and keep going. Create and foster a growing blossoming family. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:18]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And family is beyond what you're born into family is your global family.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So a tree planting the tree is a perfect example of a blossoming growing relationship. Yes. And, you know, we don't know how to plant things. We don't know how to plant a tree. So we asked for help. The neighbors came over and taught us how to do it and, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:42]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and helped us plant the tree, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:44]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> frankly. Yeah, because we need each other.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Thank goodness. Remember how we would tell you guys that one of the, one of the deal breakers for us was when we would ask people for help, for advice, they would tell us to go Google it. And for me that was a deal breaker. Like that's the rudest thing you can say to me. Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Particularly if you have expertise in that area, it's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> ridiculous.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yeah. Like why? And then they would tell us, like, you know, Google. I'm like this was years ago. Right. And I would turn to Matt and just look at him and talk to him, telepathically, like, is this person legit right now telling you if you know about Google, like you are the techiest tech ever computer guy, like, okay, buddy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Thanks. Thank you. Thank you very much for your assistance. And like in the, in the amount of time that they spent wasting their energy telling us how to Google something. They could have easily told us a quick answer to the question we had for </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:47]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> them. Right. Or just say, well, you know, you can't Google it, but this is my experience.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. I mean, for goodness sake. Yeah, of course </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Google it. But, and, and not to dwell on the negative right now. So we're, we're dwelling on the positive. I wanna leave it at that, make it a quick show today. But just to remember, there is always an opportunity.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There is always magic around you. There are always your people around you. Be brave and just go with it. It's a dance, jump in there and do the dance. Bridget and Russ did the dance brought over this thing. They didn't expect anything, but we jumped in and were like, Hey, thank you. Here's some bread.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You wanna hang out with us? And they said, yes, you know, right. Community, the friendship. That's what it is. So tune in, we'll see where this leads. We'll tell you more about Bridget and Russ and this new friendship. So, what have you been up to? Let us know, go to our friendly world podcast.com let us know what you think. We'll talk to you in a few days. Take care. Be well, bye.</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Case of the missing couch, FedEx, and the opportunity to meet friends; the opportunity to make friends in almost every situation, even situations where it seems like, things are awry. Proof that friendship exists everywhere.
 
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[00:00:00] Fawn: Welcome back everybody.
[00:00:01] Matt: Hello, 
[00:00:02] Fawn: this is Fawn and Matt. Case of the missing couch and FedEx and the opportunity to meet friends, the opportunity to make friends in almost every situation, even situations where it seems like, things are awry. You all know we moved and we have had so many deliveries.
We had no furniture, we bought furniture and a lot of it was being delivered through FedEx and one very heavy package was lost out in the world. No idea where; nobody knew where it was. Lots of calls to the company we bought it from , lots of calls to FedEx.
Nobody knew. Ultimately it was this FedEx delivery that landed us to this new friendship, friendship that we're telling you about. So what happened was the couch was missing. It was declared, lost. FedEx said, oh, it was delivered to the wrong address . But we don't know where it is now.
I'm like, well, what, what address was it delivered to? 
[00:01:11] Matt: Right. Nice and simple. 
[00:01:12] Fawn: They wouldn't tell me anyway, one morning I go to bed at 4:30 in the morning because I was unpacking and doing whatever work that needs to be done in this house. And I went to bed at 4:30 and around seven o'clock, seven 30.
Was it seven o'clock Matt?
[00:01:31] Matt: It was around 7. 
[00:01:33] Fawn: There's a knock at the door. 
[00:01:34] Matt: Boom, boom, boom. 
[00:01:34] Fawn: The kids are running upstairs. They're like, there's someone at the door. This man in yellow is at the door. He wants something. And I was thinking, oh my God, another salesperson, like, because 
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>This is our very first episode in a public place with in-person live conversations at the local coffee shop!!!!!!!!!!!! Wanting to lead by example, Fawn and Matt share their meet-cute moment on their friendships with Marianne, Danielle, and Hillary. This conversation is all about how to notice the magic, being brave enough to see people, say "Hello" and go further by sparking conversation, creating friendship, and continuing friendship when you come to points of disagreement, learning from those disagreements, and developing the art of a strong friendship.   <br /><br />Fawn, Matt, Marianne, Danielle, and Hillary share how they all met and prove how the world is a small town and you are surrounded by friendship.</p>
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<p>To reach out to us, please go to:</p>
<p>https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</p>
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<p><strong>TRANSCRIPT:</strong></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>The Earth Is A Small Town</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> The earth is a small town and everybody's your friend. And I dare say, even now with everything that's going around in the world, Uhhuh what's, what's going on in the world. It is still as true as ever that the earth is a small town.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And everybody's your friend. Seriously. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:20]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah, but what's this racket and I keep hearing around us. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. Hi everybody. We are back. This is our first time out in the wild unmasked, even and we are out, we are at a coffee shop in the most, one of the most beautiful places on the planet. We moved Matt and I moved here we are.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And this is what happens. The show is more about the art of the start and throughout the last two and a half years, talking to you all, I kind of deep down felt like a hypocrite, talking about friendship and going out there and creating bonds and meeting friends and developing and nurturing friendships</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">when we were sitting all by our lone sums in our kitchen, talking about it. Hey, so here we are. And we're gonna tell you how we did. So here's what happened. It was the power of a coupon. Matt had a coupon for a coffee shop. I had </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> a, how many years I had a gift card, two </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> years, two years. You had a coupon for coffee two years.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It was in his wallet. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So just as the pandemic broke, and one of the things that convinced us that this pandemic might not be a joke was I was gonna go meet with Amazon in Colorado. And I was gonna go to their offices and they were gonna do their spiel and give us free food and whatever. Right. I was just gonna go check it out.</span>...</span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This is our very first episode in a public place with in-person live conversations at the local coffee shop!!!!!!!!!!!! Wanting to lead by example, Fawn and Matt share their meet-cute moment on their friendships with Marianne, Danielle, and Hillary. This conversation is all about how to notice the magic, being brave enough to see people, say "Hello" and go further by sparking conversation, creating friendship, and continuing friendship when you come to points of disagreement, learning from those disagreements, and developing the art of a strong friendship.   Fawn, Matt, Marianne, Danielle, and Hillary share how they all met and prove how the world is a small town and you are surrounded by friendship.
 
To reach out to us, please go to:
https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
 
 
TRANSCRIPT:
The Earth Is A Small Town
[00:00:00] Fawn: The earth is a small town and everybody's your friend. And I dare say, even now with everything that's going around in the world, Uhhuh what's, what's going on in the world. It is still as true as ever that the earth is a small town.
And everybody's your friend. Seriously. 
[00:00:20] Matt: Yeah, but what's this racket and I keep hearing around us. 
[00:00:23] Fawn: Okay. Hi everybody. We are back. This is our first time out in the wild unmasked, even and we are out, we are at a coffee shop in the most, one of the most beautiful places on the planet. We moved Matt and I moved here we are.
And this is what happens. The show is more about the art of the start and throughout the last two and a half years, talking to you all, I kind of deep down felt like a hypocrite, talking about friendship and going out there and creating bonds and meeting friends and developing and nurturing friendships
when we were sitting all by our lone sums in our kitchen, talking about it. Hey, so here we are. And we're gonna tell you how we did. So here's what happened. It was the power of a coupon. Matt had a coupon for a coffee shop. I had 
[00:01:21] Matt: a, how many years I had a gift card, two 
[00:01:23] Fawn: years, two years. You had a coupon for coffee two years.
It was in his wallet. 
[00:01:30] Matt: So just as the pandemic broke, and one of the things that convinced us that this pandemic might not be a joke was I was gonna go meet with Amazon in Colorado. And I was gonna go to their offices and they were gonna do their spiel and give us free food and whatever. Right. I was just gonna go check it out....]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>This is our very first episode in a public place with in-person live conversations at the local coffee shop!!!!!!!!!!!! Wanting to lead by example, Fawn and Matt share their meet-cute moment on their friendships with Marianne, Danielle, and Hillary. This conversation is all about how to notice the magic, being brave enough to see people, say "Hello" and go further by sparking conversation, creating friendship, and continuing friendship when you come to points of disagreement, learning from those disagreements, and developing the art of a strong friendship.   <br /><br />Fawn, Matt, Marianne, Danielle, and Hillary share how they all met and prove how the world is a small town and you are surrounded by friendship.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>To reach out to us, please go to:</p>
<p>https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong>TRANSCRIPT:</strong></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>The Earth Is A Small Town</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> The earth is a small town and everybody's your friend. And I dare say, even now with everything that's going around in the world, Uhhuh what's, what's going on in the world. It is still as true as ever that the earth is a small town.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And everybody's your friend. Seriously. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:20]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah, but what's this racket and I keep hearing around us. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. Hi everybody. We are back. This is our first time out in the wild unmasked, even and we are out, we are at a coffee shop in the most, one of the most beautiful places on the planet. We moved Matt and I moved here we are.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And this is what happens. The show is more about the art of the start and throughout the last two and a half years, talking to you all, I kind of deep down felt like a hypocrite, talking about friendship and going out there and creating bonds and meeting friends and developing and nurturing friendships</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">when we were sitting all by our lone sums in our kitchen, talking about it. Hey, so here we are. And we're gonna tell you how we did. So here's what happened. It was the power of a coupon. Matt had a coupon for a coffee shop. I had </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> a, how many years I had a gift card, two </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> years, two years. You had a coupon for coffee two years.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It was in his wallet. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So just as the pandemic broke, and one of the things that convinced us that this pandemic might not be a joke was I was gonna go meet with Amazon in Colorado. And I was gonna go to their offices and they were gonna do their spiel and give us free food and whatever. Right. I was just gonna go check it out.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I like talking to people. I like talking tech. That's what I do. So I scheduled to go and just before I went, they canceled the event due to COVID and I was like, but, but this thing isn't, this was before it was a big deal. and I was like, but this thing, isn't a big uhoh this thing is a big deal. Isn't it? So they gave me this lovely gift card to speak with a, uh, Amazon person.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I said, cool, it's free money. So I printed it out and I just held onto it. Okay. I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:11]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> held onto it. But making the story short. Yes. You had a coupon and it was, uh, it was a coffee shop. We normally don't go to, but anyway, you had this thing in your wallet and we never went out. We never really ventured out. The past two and a half years, we were in our kitchen the whole time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. So we moved guys and Matt's like, I want to use my coupon. So we walk into this lovely coffee shop and it was pretty empty. It was super early in the morning. The weather was all dewy and Misty and the birds were chirping and we were completely irrational. I thought that, I mean, I still do look like a maniac because this move was probably one of the hardest and we've had some hard moves.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">This move was the hardest you guys. It was </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> no. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh, maybe because I was doing most of it. Why do you always disagree with me? Are you serious right now? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Are you? I actually am. We've had </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">harder moves. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:12]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Uh, this one was hard. I usually set up the house in three days. I'm very military minded about it. I like get things done.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Boom. We're ready to go. But I think we're on week three now and we are still surrounded with boxes in our home. Anyway, I digress. Thanks Matt. But </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:31]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> sorry. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So the thing is, I didn't feel good. I felt like I looked like a maniac. and we were sleep deprived. So we walk into this establishment. We walk into this lovely coffee shop and there was one person in, in there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I don't know. I didn't notice anybody else. I noticed one person, this beautiful woman sitting in the corner. And the only thing, cuz you know, even though I'm a photographer, I don't notice any details on people. I it's all about a vibe. I pick up feelings. That's all I do. I pick up feelings, Matt reads and scans the whole room.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And can tell you everything that was written down. What was identity? What was that? No born identity. What was that guy? The movie where he walks in and he notices everything in the room. You know, minority report. I don't know, with, with the guy with Ben Affleck's best </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> friend. Right, right. Matt Damon, but you're probably thinking Born Identity, but I haven't seen that movie </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:28]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> a long whatever, you know, that kind of ability where you can like spot things out.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Thanks for disagreeing with everything I say. So what I'm saying is I, I only get the vibes. I get a feeling. I can't tell you what color anything was or what it looked like. I can tell you what it felt like, but what I did notice. This lovely woman was sitting there and she was wearing pajama pants. I'm like, oh my God, our people, our people, because that's what Matt and I do once in a rare moon.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And we laugh to ourselves so hard cuz it's like, yeah, we did it. You know, totally defying society, coming out in our pajama pants. Anyway, I saw the pajama pants and the way she was sitting was like, Statuesque model like a model just sitting there anyway. So I'm like, I'm not gonna look at her too much because I look insane and she's probably gonna think I'm crazy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Let's just order our drinks. We order our drinks and then this person leaves and I felt immediately sad. I'm like, oh, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:28]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> she left. It's</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">time out, time out. Rewind,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:30]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> rewind. Okay. When we walked in, I did notice the whole room. That's what I do. And although she may deny it, she went up and down, she looked at both of us.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:42]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> She studied us. She memorized us. I swear to God. And that's just it, when I looked over I'm like, is that like an FBI person? Or what's the story? Yeah, you took my, because yeah, because it was the classic story. I have a buddy who's a cop. And, always back to the wall, knows where all the exits are and looks at everybody coming in the room and the whole bit that's.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's the way his brain is wired and there's good reasons for that. And, and you, there was a very similar vibe. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:10]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So when she left immediately, Matt started talking about her and at this point we're ordering our coffee at the same time and the lovely person that was working with our drinks. Was like, okay, what do you want?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm like, hold on. Was that person that just left? Was that FBI? I literally, I asked her that and she starts laughing and she said, no, that's Marianne. She's our regular . So we were sad because she left and we're like, well, okay, well, let's go sit outside anyway. We go sit outside and here she comes again.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and we're like, no way here she comes again. And I'm like, I don't wanna miss another opportunity. So we just jumped in there and we started to talk, right. Matt pay attention, right? Yeah. So what happened? What I forgot, exactly what started our conversation anyway, I'm telling you all this because</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">this kind of stuff happens all the time. There is magic around us all the time, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:08]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> if you pay attention.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> When we started this podcast some years ago, I told you the reason actually, before the podcast that we started, this whole friendship thing, remembering the art of friendship is because Matt and I, all of a sudden felt .</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I I've been feeling it for decades. Every time I go on a photo shoot and I come back, especially to the United. I'm like, whoa, this is not my idea of friendship. Like what is happening? So over the last 20 years, I've noticed every time I come back to the United States and it's now spreading to other countries, but like every time I come back, I'm like, what is happening?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">The art, it's an art and it's disappearing. We don't know how to talk to each other. And it's being made worse now by everyone getting involved in politics and like it it's ridiculous. It's unnecessary. And it's like, you have to be brave to say, hello, you have to be brave. Like, is that it's crazy?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's like, it's like, you have to be brave. I'm not saying you have to be brave to say hello, but it's like, people are afraid to make connections and then they think, well, I can make a friend, no problem. But here's the thing, our society, our culture has moved in such a way that even when you make friends, there is an art to keeping a friend because people get annoyed, people get, um, what's the word?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Um, um, what's the word? When they get like offended, offended, that's the word I was looking for. People get offended for whatever reason. You get triggered by something that really has to do with you, you know, and I'm saying, if there's a charge that you're connecting to and someone says something it's all on me, if I'm all of a sudden offended, but if I don't have a charge on whatever it is that offended me, I don't care.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">What I'm trying to say is that we're gonna use our examples, present day with all this noise in a coffee shop, to introduce you to three beautiful friends that we made that feel like home.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">It feels like we have been family forever. And we're gonna tell you exactly how we met and how we sparked it and how we initiated the whole thing of us all getting together. So everybody, I want you to meet your new friends. We have Marianne. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:39]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Marianne:</strong></span> Good morning.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:41]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Maryanne is the one in the pajama pants, the FBI , </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:45]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Marianne:</strong></span> which is very hilarious. Yes. The pajama pants and the trench coat that I wore was totally out of comfort. Yeah. And not caring. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right. I love it. I love it. So Marianne then the following week introduced us to Danielle. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:09]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Danielle:</strong></span> Hello, everybody.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That is my daughter in the background. Marianne is one of my best friends and, um, I cannot wait to tell you more about our </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">friendship, so</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I wanna hear everything and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:27]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Danielle:</strong></span> okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:27]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And can I just say how gracious you all are for sharing each other's friendship with us? And then we have to tell you about your next new friend, Hillary, the way we met her.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And it turned out that Hillary and Marianne were friends. So we'll, we'll tell you what happened next, but everyone, please meet your new friend, Hillary. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:48]</span> <span style="color:#00aaff;"><strong>Hillary:</strong></span> Hello.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:51]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Now I have a nickname for you. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh no. Oh no. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It's, it's crazy. Not crazy. Milk. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:58]</span> <span style="color:#00aaff;"><strong>Hillary:</strong></span> Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:59]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. So here's what happened. This is why Matt is calling Hillary crazy milk lady. Uh, uh, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> uh, crazy, not crazy milk lady. Okay. Okay. So it's very important that you hear </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">the "not" in there. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So Hillary, I need you to tell us exactly everything, but I'm gonna tell the backup story of why Matt calls you that is that okay?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Okay. So we, we met Marianne, she came back in the coffee shop and she introduced us to her friend, Bill who's sitting behind us right. Staring at us through his glasses. We talked and then they had to go and then we're like, okay let's go to the store. So we went, we went to check out the local store. We had never been there. We go in there, we pull into the parking lot and right when we pulled in, I looked in front of us and I said, I bet you we're gonna run into Marianne right here.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I just have a feeling. I didn't express it out loud, but that's totally what I thought. So we go in the store. We wander up and down the aisles to figure out, well, how much does this cost in this area, ? Like, we were just noticing everything. We made a big commotion, cause we wanted to apply for the discount card for the store.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And this whole time I kept seeing someone push this card that had a bazillion gallons of milk in it. Right. A bazillion. Uh, uh, and we kept going to similar aisles and then I turned to you when we went to the checkout. I'm like Matt, "Got Milk?" I was like trying to make a funny, and you're like, we don't need milk.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I. Because if it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> was a joke, because the one who observes everything all the time completely missed, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> completely missed this one time. The one time I noticed something, alls </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:34]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I saw was a big cart of milk as we were walking to check out and I was like, is this some kind of a grab, a milk, one, buy one, get one free, cuz there's no way anybody has that in their cart.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Cuz that would be crazy. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:46]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So going through this whole fiasco, maneuvering around the store, we end up back to the car and we're trying to put stuff, jam stuff in the trunk of our car. And then who pulls, who has pulled up right in front of our car, in the spot in front of our car, Marianne. But now she looks totally different cuz she went home showered and changed.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So you looked so different but we still, I still recognized you. And then who comes up? But Hillary with all the gallons of milk and you guys were like, Hey, I'm like, I can't believe these people know each other. What is happening? Is this the town we live in? So anyway, that is introduction to Hillary. And, and so </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> then I had to ask, okay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Why? Because I'm like, I, I had two thoughts in my head, obviously. Number one is of course you're crazy. And number two was you probably run a business like a bakery or something, and you were picking up lots of milk because you needed lots of milk for your </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">business. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And that was the case. Hillary was getting milk for the coffee shop</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">we were all at. So Hillary, hello? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:56]</span> <span style="color:#00aaff;"><strong>Hillary:</strong></span> Good morning.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So what did you think about two crazy people and one part in particular, asking you all about your business. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:02]</span> <span style="color:#00aaff;"><strong>Hillary:</strong></span> I am always happy to meet new people here. And this is such a small town that I feel like every time I leave the house, I run into somebody that I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">know.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:12]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And you know, when I was saying the world, the planet is a small town and everyone's your friend.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It turns out we are from the same part of the world and Hillary. Did the same thing we did. Cause you know, we made our move here and then we felt bad. We're like, are we insane? Because we literally came here, sight unseen. We traveled all over the state trying to find where we belong.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Didn't find it went back to Colorado, all deflated. And then by some, by some coincidence found a way back here to this town we had never been to before. House never seen it. And, um, the other day I was, you know, I cry every day cuz I'm like, what have we done? Is this a mistake? I mean, if it's not stuff exploding in the house, it is a bear walking around in the yard.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">What? And so anyway, so, so one told me to go on this social app, which I never do and I did. And then here comes Hillary. I was like, hi, we met at the supermarket and at the coffee shop, I'm like, oh my God, milk . And so we turned, it, turned out that Hillary also has the same experience of, did I tell you this Matt, site unseen a year ago, a year before us.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So you also went through that whole coming here and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:42]</span> <span style="color:#00aaff;"><strong>Hillary:</strong></span> exactly. I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">didn't see the house until move-in day, right? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:45]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Same with us. Same with. And you said the most beautiful things about this town and it's true, incredibly friendly people. And, you know, we both come from an area of the country that is gorgeous, but this place is it's.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's. Another animal is amazing. So going back to our story, this is how we do it. The art of the start being brave enough to go past a look , I think in our culture, we've gotten to a point where we can't even look at each other because God forbid, what are you looking at? My hat? Are you, am I wearing the wrong color?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">What am I going to spark? Is it going to spark some outrage? Or, you know me, I'm thinking, oh my God, are they looking at me because I'm not Caucasian. They don't want me here. Do you know what I'm saying? There's so many thoughts that happen at the same time. So to go past all these issues now that we all have is a big hurdle.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So how do, how did we do it guys, Marianne take over. So </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:51]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Marianne:</strong></span> I just wanted to mention that my own perception of how things went down in terms of how I saw both of you walking in. I was sitting in a seat that I don't ever sit in </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so the other seat that I normally sit in doesn't have a view of people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So when I was looking at you, which I didn't know that I was looking at you up and down, but I'm trusting Matt</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I guess I do have a way of quickly glancing and surmising. That's a good </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:24]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> skill. Surmising, surmising. I like that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:27]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Marianne:</strong></span> word. So I looked at you and I thought to myself, Either. I just never see people here because of where I'm sitting or they are brand new . And then I looked at both of you and I saw beautiful hair on both of you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that's actually what I was very much noticing and probably staring </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> at, you know, what's so weird. Marianne is I never, get a haircut but for this move, I specifically had my hair cut and designed in the hopes of meeting new friends. So like, I kind of, I, I did a haircut specifically in honor of starting a start.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know what I'm saying? Like starting a friendship. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:17]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Marianne:</strong></span> Yes. Cutting off past experiences. Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:22]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. And, and, and what's the word? Spooking, Sping specifying. You know, like polishing, you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> like to say, shjoosj </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> know, to it up it's ceremonial. , it is quite important. I think it was directly linked for me being open enough, no matter how incredibly sleep deprived and tired I was feeling and in pain from moving I still had that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I had that ceremony that, that kind of kicked things off. So I think that's another key, is however way we can ghjoogh ourselves up. It doesn't have to be a haircut. It could be polishing your shoes. It could be wearing something on you that, that gives you some extra superpower. I think that's key to meeting people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:12]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> honestly, honestly brings up a little self confidence </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and also a blanket of security </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> security blanket. Yes. But if you're like, dang, I look good. . You're much more likely to, you know, feel comfortable and confident </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:28]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Marianne:</strong></span> and approach people. And on the flip side, ,when you wear pajama pants and don't care, there is a self-assuredness that you may not even be aware of, but it's kind of attracting the correct people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:44]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. Matt calls it. You're down to clown. Remember? I absolutely </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:48]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Marianne:</strong></span> always down to clown. Yeah. Yeah. Just like our dear friend, Danielle, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:53]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Danielle. Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:56]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Danielle:</strong></span> Um, so on friendship, I just wanna say, I think it starts by teaching our kids young, that people are to be friendly and to look at them and just say, hi. I see so much as an educator and as a mom, that people shy kids away from others and they learn very early on that it's something to be scared of. And I really made an effort as having a young kid to have her say hi to everybody and to look at them. And, she's very self self-assured in that, which makes me very proud. I love how much you love this town.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">As you know, I grew up here, I'm still in the same house that I grew up in. And I'm part of the town. I know everybody in this town and it's really special because you see the same people and you create those relationships. And I've been to many other places and not having that community and not being part of it is hard.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I think to make friendships, it's an effort and something that I try every day to do so, like being involved in as many things as possible and getting yourself out of your comfort zone, which is really hard. But as many people, as I know, I think real friendships are really hard to come by and Marianne and I have had lots of talks about that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I think what makes our friendship real is that we're honest with each other, like we have honest fights and she tells me, honestly, when I'm a poop and I can be honest with her and there has been there's very, yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:36]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's we all are. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:37]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Marianne:</strong></span> I'm </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">definitely, as Danielle just mentioned, I can certainly know that I can be a poop at times, but certainly not intentionally.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And at times you have to bring that to light to your friend. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. And that's what I'm talking about, being brave and having the capacity to deal with our poppiness everybody, everybody poops everybody is poopy at some point </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:01]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Danielle:</strong></span> I'm a preschool teacher. So that's my language. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> ha well a again, circling back to early on in our relationship.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So, so when we were dating, we had a fight because we had a fight because that's what happens in relationships, friendships or romantic, and Fawn was like, it's over. We had a fight and her friend said no, no, no, no, no. You had a fight now you guys can get married. Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:27]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Danielle:</strong></span> And that's the thing, real friendships and real relationships you fight.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:32]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Marianne:</strong></span> I don't like to call it fighting. I like to call it boundary finding. Oh, that might be a semantics thing. But fighting sounds very intense to me, right? It is. And I am </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> intense. So, you know, that is so true because first of all words have such power and that's another thing I noticed every time I came back to the United States is our words in our advertisements.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And everything. Our words are so violent in America. Like everything, even, even a cupcake show is cupcake wars, war it's war, like for a cupcake. Oh my goodness. We have to really, really get control over that. That words have power and we create through the power of the word. So you're right. Fight is not a good.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Perfect. See, you are such a genius, a disagreement. It it's a boundary finding, even disagreement, boundary, finding, boundary, finding. I love it. I love it. I think a lot of friendships it's great. You can start one, but the art of continuing on, usually you have to continue on once you get to that boundary setting</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">state. And that's where people are like, well, I'm walking away from that, you know, which is what yeah. Which is what a lot of people do. Oh, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:04]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Danielle:</strong></span> so I was just gonna say is I have a lot of friendships. I feel like are very surface, you know, how's it going, but to get those real deep friendships, when you have those boundary finding moments, actually working through those.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that's when I think like our friendship got to another level for me. And I, a lot of times when those boundary finding moments happen, one are both people just, it's easier to just walk away from it and say, well, it's not worth it, but it is worth it. And to have those deeper relationships and those deeper conversations, because our heart </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">needs it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:42]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Absolutely our hearts need it. Our economy needs it. Our country needs it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:47]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Danielle:</strong></span> You know, we all need it. Um, yeah. And it's okay to have disagreements. And what I find in today's world is, is like, if we don't agree on politics or religion or whatever it is, it's like, we can't be friends and that's not how I grew up.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Or I know a lot of us did. We just might not. Is the exact same way. I find it really interesting. I see it from the other person's point of view, like explain to me why you feel that. And a lot of times we're really similar and like, oh, I see that. And I understand how you see that I might not wanna vote for that same person or whatever it is, but I get it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So I always try to figure out like why they feel that way. Cause I find it really </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">interesting </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Matt and I, When we started the podcast, I was really focused on doing events in the community to talk about all these issues. And one of the people that I, I enjoyed listening to that I totally agreed with was like the kind of guy who works with the government and he works with hostage situations.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so he also said that when he's, he deals with terrorism and getting people back that were hostages and so he said that bottom line, people are not heard. If, no matter who you're dealing with, no matter what kind of extreme situation you're dealing with, if the person feels heard by you, you will have resolution.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, I think when a person is heard, all of a sudden, now you're getting through, you're getting past the emotional blockers that somebody has in their mind. Cuz I always talk about how if you're emotionally connected to something it's really hard to do anything with that, you can only really speak to the logical part.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so there's a couple corollaries that, uh, logic, can't get you out of a problem that emotion's gotten you into, et cetera, et cetera. And anybody's, who's ever fallen for the wrong person. Knows exactly how that one feels. So, yeah, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:44]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> absolutely. Like I didn't tell you this. Um, Matt, but like yesterday, the girls and I were at the store and we saw this person and we stood there for 15 minutes and had the most lovely heart to heart talk. Because I saw great beauty and genius in this person that had nothing to do with politics, but I could tell the man wanted to start crying because we recognized his genius, his love, like, and we had a human interaction and I knew I had a friend, you know, even though we had, you know, let's, let's take whatever it was that we thought we labeled him as let's take it out of it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But. It was just beautiful. And we made a friend and honestly, like, I felt like we had each other's backs and it just got back to that village feeling of the earth is a small town and everybody is your friend, so you guys, this is our first real, like in person conversation because every time we've met, this is our third time meeting, but we've never sat down to have a conversation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">This is our first conversation together, aside from quick texts. But look, you guys, this is our first conversation and we went deep. Do you know what I'm saying? It is like when you meet your people and everyone is your person, it is a homecoming. This is our first conversation. You know what I'm saying? We're not talking about the weather .Who cares.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We're not talking about the politics. What's happening Hillary. What are you doing? This is the first </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:20]</span> <span style="color:#00aaff;"><strong>Hillary:</strong></span> time I've talked, really talked to Danielle and I'm watching our daughters. This is the first time our daughters have met and they are just having an absolute blast together. And it makes me so happy. And it's beautiful.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Wouldn't have come together without this. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:37]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> We just needed to break bread. We needed ceremony. If I, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:41]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Danielle:</strong></span> they say it's just beautiful children do this. So naturally. and I see it with my daughter, wherever we go. She just is so genuine in herself and making friends. And I think we could take some lessons from them because I forget how just to be myself sometimes and just to be open and take the time and not worry about what the next appointment is, what the text text is because we are always binging and I'm looking at my phone while I'm getting coffee.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I am so sorry. I'm not making that genuine connection with somebody who's giving me the coffee. And I think it's hard to live in the moment these days, and it's something I'm fully working on and I, you can see it with children all the time and it's refreshing and eyeopening. So thank you for giving us this opportunity to really sit down and be ourselves,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">be real. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:38]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> First of all, thank you for allowing us in your friendship circle. You are so giving it's like when someone is in desperate need of food and water, that is friendship. I think a lot of people, once they do have friendships, they're so guarded and like don't wanna share their friends with others.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Much like if someone is starving and needs a loaf of bread, you're like people don't share bread, they don't break bread. So can I just say, not only are you all the most seriously beautiful people we have met, your friendships are beautiful and your generosity is even more beautiful. And I feel so welcomed and I feel so reassured in the world that</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I know, deep down exists. You all are embodying that. And the way that you have welcomed us into this community and welcomed us into your little, not little friendships, but in your grand beautiful, uh, cozy friendship is what I, the kind of word I'm looking for is incredibly generous and beautiful. And I wanna thank you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And there was something else I wanted to say, as far as the kids, cuz we know Elle and Allegra are now like becoming these teenagers. Right. And I wanna say that like for, for example, Elle, Elle's our first born. Um, she was so open. Like she was the ambassador of love. We would go to the local swing pool or like the local, whatever it was and she.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I, and I've talked about this on our podcast before, like for example, this was, this was typical for her two years old, two years old, she would bust open the doors. Cause she's like, bam, bam. She was always very strong. Like with one, one with one arm in diapers, she would move a couch. It was insane. It was like superhero stuff.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But so she. You know, those, those doors in auditoriums that you have to like push down and push open the heavy. She would blast those doors open with her little, little hands, and she would put her arms out to the whole huge swimming pool area. And she would explain to the whole place we're we get to swim today, everybody.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yay. And then only the elderly would, would like start laughing cuz they knew how precious every moment of life is and how our interactions and everything we do, we do is a blessing. It is a blessing to go to the store and pick out any kind of milk you want. Like truly, absolutely. You know, that sense of entitlements that has taken over people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So true. But what go and then going back to kids, what happened is we started to come accross. Kids that were mean that were closed off. And I'm like, you know what? Yes. Kids innately know what it's like, but they very quickly learn from their parents in our current state of society to not be that way. Whether it's stranger danger kind of mentality to you don't have the right shoes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So I'm not gonna hang out with you. Even at a very, very young age. And so we started noticing that and then we started noticing our kids closing up, like they were these beautiful flowers that had opened up. And then all of a sudden they like closed up and it's a struggle. It is a struggle, even for us, for them, for us to like be openhearted again, after being hurt so much by mean people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:24]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Marianne:</strong></span> can't agree more. And what's so interesting when you come to a point in life, I am approaching a magical number this year, and as all numbers are magical, but this happens to be a milestone. And I know that being a child and having openheartedness, I believe that I had openheartedness throughout and while having that, I was</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">very hurt by many things that many people go through as humans, we're very hurt and we're very resilient, but it's so interesting at this point in my life where I feel childlike, which I've always felt childlike, but it's, my heart is so wide open because I have been hurt. And then I learned how to be my own friend again.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Exactly. That's where it starts like back to dating. Like we started this whole thing based on the concept of dating Matt and I were like, well, what happened? We used to make friends all the time. And then we, we noticed very quickly in our culture, all of a sudden something shifted where to find a friend was harder than finding your one true love on the planet.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm like, oh my God. It's like dating all over again. Danielle is saying, absolutely, we're all sharing. So you, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:52]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Danielle:</strong></span> um, I just couldn't agree more. I talk about this so much and Marianne and I talk about this so much about how hard it is to find friends as you get older and like real friendships, not like those surface ones, and have those real conversations.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So thank you for having this podcast, because I think it's so critical for so many people. So many of us feel it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and, um, and no one wants to talk about it because we really don't because it, why, oh, this is why, because people think there's something wrong with them. It is it's shameful that they don't have friends, but guaranteed 90% of the people out there don't have a friend that they can turn to for real like arm in arm in person, you know?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">More than 90% we've done the research guys. And, you know, um, going back to the kids thing, Marianne's stepping away for a second. Okay. Are you coming back? Okay. She's coming back. but like the kids, I think one of the other things, like when I started to notice these things, I had people tell me Danielle all the time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Oh, you'll make friends through your kids. And their friends. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. That is so wrong because my kids, I want them to learn from my example. Absolutely. I'm not gonna wait for them to make friends so I can have friends because of their friends' parents. Mm-hmm no, they need to learn how it is, how you can, everything we mentioned.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">How do you make a friend? How do you resolve, uh, misunderstandings together? Like they need to see all of that as me as the example, as Matt, as the example, Matt, you've been very quiet. I have. Um, but they need to see that and they need to depend on me for friendship, not the other way around. So that that's another thing I think is wrong with our culture is like we're putting too much responsibility on the children, you know?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:50]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Danielle:</strong></span> Yeah. I, I have heard that exact same thing many times. Oh, well, when she starts school, you'll meet all of friends. you know, sports and all of that, but that never made sense to me either. I always had my own friendships. I think it's really important for parents to take their own time, to go on their dates, to make, have their relationships with others.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And somehow it became when all my friends started having kids, all about their kids' friendships, their kids' sports. Um, that's what their life resolved around. And I never wanted my life to be what her life was. I have my own life and that's what she needs to see. And Marianne and I have talked about this a lot as well.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">A lot of my friends actually don't have kids because they are still doing stuff for themselves and still going out and, you know, doing races or whatever they're doing. Because my friends that have kids and yes, they have several. They don't want to, they don't have time. They don't make time for themselves to do those things.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's a luxury that they don't afford themselves for whatever reason. And it's expensive. I understand everybody's tired. There's a lot going on, but I think it's really critical to make that time them to see your friendships and you prioritizing yourself. And do you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:10]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> see that as a mom, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:11]</span> <span style="color:#00aaff;"><strong>Hillary:</strong></span> too? Absolutely. Okay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">My child is so extroverted and I am not, it's taken. Until my mid, mid thirties to really come outta my shell. And I feel like I'm just now learning how to make friends. I've kind of spent my whole life being by myself and it almost kind of took the pandemic to make me realize I need a village. I need friends.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I need support. And I'm literally honestly like starting over in my mid thirties, trying to. Trying to meet people. And now that I have a child, it's really brought me outta my shell and I, I don't want her to be closed off from people cuz I, I felt like I was always closed off and I want her to see me have friendships.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I want her to, to get happy mom and see that I have support and I have friends and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:05]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> um, yeah. did you all hear this term that it takes so village beautiful. Thank you for sharing. Yes, that was very beautiful. Hillary. But, um, but going back to that term, like when we had kids, we always heard, oh, it takes a village, you know, depend on the village, I'm like, where's the village, there's no village.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:23]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Danielle:</strong></span> There used to be a village. It's unfortunate that it's subsided over time. And I think you have to make your village. I, I know I don't have family around and I've made my own village with my neighbors and close friends, like Marianne and others. It's hard these days to make a village and you do need a village.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's what is this? Pandemic has definitely shown out of anything that we need a </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:45]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> village. And I've been saying this way before the pandemic and everyone thought I was insane. Everyone got what's the word for it? Matt. Like people would get so offended. Right? They get very </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> defensive though. Oh my God.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Defensive. It's it. It's a weird </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:58]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> combo. Yeah. Defensive, because I'm like, Hey, have you notice. That this is happening in our culture or that like, what is the reason that people are? So, you know, this is, this, this will show you how long I've been doing this. Okay. Why is it that sex in the city is such a hit show?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Why is it that big bang theory is such a hit show. Why is it that entourage is such a big show. If you look around, no one is going out for brunch. No one is shopping together. No one is meeting on a daily basis. No one has an entourage of friends that they work and hang out. Interesting. What is that? It is right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's interesting that those shows are popular because we're living vicariously through these shows. But in fact, this is what we all want. This is what you know, this is what it's about. Friendship is family. When I make a friend, you guys are my family. I will do anything for you, except I don't like picking you up from the airport that cuz I don't like driving.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I always, the police always get me at the air. I don't like it. I. Don't ask me anyways. Anyways. Yeah, that's my, I don't the airport freaks me out. Oh, you guys anyways, but I'll do anything for you. You are my family. Same </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:10]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Marianne:</strong></span> instantly. I had a thought that might feel like a tangent if I can remember it after I I've been having caffeine I believe that part of this, a giant part of the trend in how things have changed is that we have become very impatient.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Because of modern technology and the pace of the world. So we are now so quick with everything. We cannot listen the same. I noticed that early in probably the mid two thousands, I was supervising much younger people. And when I would communicate through text or any other way, There was almost an irritated feeling energy coming back at me because I was probably 15 plus years older and the communication skills have drastically changed.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So if you have friends of different ages, most especially younger friends, there's an impatience. And that's when people close themselves off if they feel that they're not being heard and that people don't have the patience to simply hear something through to its finish. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:33]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Absolutely. You know, and this, now that now sparks me on another tangent that I always talk about that Danielle also brought up what I wanted to say.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There is a whole thing going on with ageism. There's a whole thing going on with. There's so many factors involved. Like, why are we all so busy? Why is our attention scattered? Is it technology like, you know, um, Matt is in that field of that technology, but I, we, you agree with me, Matt, that it's really not technology.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I think there's a greater thing happening where it, it makes the masses, behave a certain way because we become more sheepish. There's a, there's like, it's like not to sound like a crazy conspiracy person, but it's like, it's a force that has divided as. So that we don't get together because when we're together, we're stronger.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If I'm standing next to you, Marianne, arm in arm, I'm more apt to say that's not right. If I see something that's a MIS an injustice out there, I can be more verbal and go, what are you doing? That's not okay. Do you know what I'm saying? But if I'm by myself, I'm afraid to say something. I mean, I think I'll just be honest.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I think. Most people, most people would feel that way. So I think that's happening. And also because as Americans, we are such hard workers. We are always working and we don't have the healthcare that's, that's set up in our society. So not only are we working so hard, but if we have to go to the doctor that will knock us out, I'm sorry.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's expensive. And like, you can't afford to get sick. You can't afford to take time off you. We don't have vacations unless you have a very special job. Nobody, nobody has vacations. And if you are long enough in a job, maybe after a few years, you get two weeks pay, but hello, we need three months. People have whole seasons where everybody's off and.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Come together and play together and, and relax and cook together and eat together and like see each other. But if we're constantly busy and we're constant, I, I don't blame technology. I think there's a greater force out there beyond the technology. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:54]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Marianne:</strong></span> I totally see your point. And I also think that we don't necessarily, of course we do require more vacation time, but I think in a self care way, we should be</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">balancing our days in terms of having boundaries, where we say, this is when I work. This is when I spend time with my family. This is when I spend time for me. This is when I spend time for my village and figure that out on a daily basis so that it doesn't come to a point where you feel very desperate, that you need to take a solid </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">six months off.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right. But if it was set aside for us to do in our society, it would be, we would be so much healthier. And you know what? Matt says that all the time, Matt, why are you quiet? And then when we there's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:49]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> so many people talking, I, I just feel like I'm gonna tangentially throw us in different </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> directions. Well, Matt always talks about how I'm, I'm totally interrupting you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Go ahead. But I wanted to, but now I'm totally interrupting you. I wanted you to talk about how you definitely tell work that look, I'm not going to be reachable, but the thing is most people, even when they go on vacation, their job demands that they're still connected. So you can't, you can't take a break.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, yeah, things and they're very, very small things like, I don't put the instant messenger on my phone. I definitely disconnect at times. I'm also a big fan, paying myself first, as they like to say, when you're bud, when you're doing your budgeting, when you pay yourself first and then you pay your taxes and I pay myself emotionally first, and I do that first in the day, I literally get up.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I get up, got awful early and I, I have two hours. I have a two hour block in the morning. That's just for me. And then I start my day and my day starts with not work. My day starts. Things that I'm learning. And then I have breakfast and then I start my, and then I start my Workday and I ceremonially put away my computer at the end of every day.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:05]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So it's done. So guys, there's so much to talk about and we have to wrap it up because we all have to go, but we're gonna continue this conversation. You know what we should do? We should do a whole town podcast. And really get into the art of community and village. Maybe we should call it something like the village or something.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I don't know. But there's so much to talk about. And you guys, again, to reiterate, this is our first conversation together, and look at, look at everything that we've hit on. Do you know what I'm saying? And this is the beauty. This is the art of friendship. This is the art of the start we're starting in real life.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Look at us. We're out here in a coffee shop. And here we go. And Hillary or no, someone needs the mic. It's Maryanne. Nope, Hillary, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:56]</span> <span style="color:#00aaff;"><strong>Hillary:</strong></span> One thing that I was thinking about, I had to tend to my child, but when we were talking about, TV shows, I, I feel like we were like self-conscious or something to talk to other people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I, I feel like in TV shows, you can just walk into somebody's house and talk and hang out. And I feel like we're. Self-conscious about what our home looks like. We're we don't wanna invite anybody in. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:18]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh my God. Great point, Hillary, can we talk about that next? Yes. What's the deal with that? Yes. Anyway, we're gonna wrap it up, but we're gonna continue.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Continue. Yes. And I just wanted to </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:28]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Danielle:</strong></span> say thank you so much for bringing us all together. I feel like this has brought us all closer and I appreciate it. Nice to be with you guys today. So </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> tune in. We're gonna do it again. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:36]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Marianne:</strong></span> Can I just have one final thought that I know that we went on lots and lots of tangents because our brains are very active.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But I feel like it's the tapestry of communication and the art of true communication where this happens. And then we are able to go out into the world and continue this </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:49:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> beautifully said, beautifully, said. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:49:02]</span> <span style="color:#00aaff;"><strong>Hillary:</strong></span> This was a great opportunity. Thank you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:49:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> All right, we'll talk to you guys next time. Tune in and see, we'll see how this unfolds like a beautiful flower.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Remember, the earth is a small town and everyone's your friend and be a good host and reach out to us. If you wanna be on our show, reach out to us, go to our friendly world podcast.com and we'll see you next week. You guys. Bye. Be well.</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This is our very first episode in a public place with in-person live conversations at the local coffee shop!!!!!!!!!!!! Wanting to lead by example, Fawn and Matt share their meet-cute moment on their friendships with Marianne, Danielle, and Hillary. This conversation is all about how to notice the magic, being brave enough to see people, say "Hello" and go further by sparking conversation, creating friendship, and continuing friendship when you come to points of disagreement, learning from those disagreements, and developing the art of a strong friendship.   Fawn, Matt, Marianne, Danielle, and Hillary share how they all met and prove how the world is a small town and you are surrounded by friendship.
 
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The Earth Is A Small Town
[00:00:00] Fawn: The earth is a small town and everybody's your friend. And I dare say, even now with everything that's going around in the world, Uhhuh what's, what's going on in the world. It is still as true as ever that the earth is a small town.
And everybody's your friend. Seriously. 
[00:00:20] Matt: Yeah, but what's this racket and I keep hearing around us. 
[00:00:23] Fawn: Okay. Hi everybody. We are back. This is our first time out in the wild unmasked, even and we are out, we are at a coffee shop in the most, one of the most beautiful places on the planet. We moved Matt and I moved here we are.
And this is what happens. The show is more about the art of the start and throughout the last two and a half years, talking to you all, I kind of deep down felt like a hypocrite, talking about friendship and going out there and creating bonds and meeting friends and developing and nurturing friendships
when we were sitting all by our lone sums in our kitchen, talking about it. Hey, so here we are. And we're gonna tell you how we did. So here's what happened. It was the power of a coupon. Matt had a coupon for a coffee shop. I had 
[00:01:21] Matt: a, how many years I had a gift card, two 
[00:01:23] Fawn: years, two years. You had a coupon for coffee two years.
It was in his wallet. 
[00:01:30] Matt: So just as the pandemic broke, and one of the things that convinced us that this pandemic might not be a joke was I was gonna go meet with Amazon in Colorado. And I was gonna go to their offices and they were gonna do their spiel and give us free food and whatever. Right. I was just gonna go check it out....]]>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>Why it's so important to end things on a proper note so that you can have a great new beginning; from friendships to jobs, to moving to a new place.</p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>How You End is How You Begin</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hello? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hi. Oh, so bears trucks, neighbors, wire transfers, bears documents. It has been </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:12]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> nuts. What a long, strange </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">trip it's been</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> This talk today is inspired by one of our friends. Who reminded us a couple years ago, really like to really think about it. Something we've always thought about. Like, I, I never, for this very reason, I'm just about to explain.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I never, did the normal thing for like new year's Eve and stuff like that because how you end is how you begin. So I never, I. Well, sometimes I did but like sometimes I did, but like I never cursed the year before and said nuts to you, 2020 yay. For 2020, you know, 20, 21 or whatever the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know? Yeah. Yeah. Why do you blasting the old while praising this completely unknown new? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So Heather who was on our show a while, while back. Heather the advisor, she brought up this phrase of how you end is how you begin. So how you begin is connected directly linked to how you ended something.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So folks, we finally did it.. We moved, we moved, we moved far away to another part of the planet. And we made sure ceremonial in all ways that we definitely ended things on a note that was. Clear. How would you say it? Mind you we're both still exhausted. We're still deep in the thick of a move and I think last night was the first time we slept in, in a real bed, in a real bed</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">in over a month and a half. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> No. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yes, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:57]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> no. </span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[Why it's so important to end things on a proper note so that you can have a great new beginning; from friendships to jobs, to moving to a new place.
How You End is How You Begin
[00:00:00] Fawn: Hello? 
[00:00:01] Matt: Hello? 
[00:00:02] Fawn: Hi. Oh, so bears trucks, neighbors, wire transfers, bears documents. It has been 
[00:00:12] Matt: nuts. What a long, strange 
trip it's been
[00:00:15] Fawn: This talk today is inspired by one of our friends. Who reminded us a couple years ago, really like to really think about it. Something we've always thought about. Like, I, I never, for this very reason, I'm just about to explain.
I never, did the normal thing for like new year's Eve and stuff like that because how you end is how you begin. So I never, I. Well, sometimes I did but like sometimes I did, but like I never cursed the year before and said nuts to you, 2020 yay. For 2020, you know, 20, 21 or whatever the 
[00:00:56] Matt: right.
You know? Yeah. Yeah. Why do you blasting the old while praising this completely unknown new? 
[00:01:02] Fawn: So Heather who was on our show a while, while back. Heather the advisor, she brought up this phrase of how you end is how you begin. So how you begin is connected directly linked to how you ended something.
So folks, we finally did it.. We moved, we moved, we moved far away to another part of the planet. And we made sure ceremonial in all ways that we definitely ended things on a note that was. Clear. How would you say it? Mind you we're both still exhausted. We're still deep in the thick of a move and I think last night was the first time we slept in, in a real bed, in a real bed
in over a month and a half. 
[00:01:56] Matt: No. 
[00:01:57] Fawn: Yes, 
[00:01:57] Matt: no. 
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                    <![CDATA[<p>Why it's so important to end things on a proper note so that you can have a great new beginning; from friendships to jobs, to moving to a new place.</p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>How You End is How You Begin</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hello? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hi. Oh, so bears trucks, neighbors, wire transfers, bears documents. It has been </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:12]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> nuts. What a long, strange </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">trip it's been</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> This talk today is inspired by one of our friends. Who reminded us a couple years ago, really like to really think about it. Something we've always thought about. Like, I, I never, for this very reason, I'm just about to explain.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I never, did the normal thing for like new year's Eve and stuff like that because how you end is how you begin. So I never, I. Well, sometimes I did but like sometimes I did, but like I never cursed the year before and said nuts to you, 2020 yay. For 2020, you know, 20, 21 or whatever the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know? Yeah. Yeah. Why do you blasting the old while praising this completely unknown new? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So Heather who was on our show a while, while back. Heather the advisor, she brought up this phrase of how you end is how you begin. So how you begin is connected directly linked to how you ended something.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So folks, we finally did it.. We moved, we moved, we moved far away to another part of the planet. And we made sure ceremonial in all ways that we definitely ended things on a note that was. Clear. How would you say it? Mind you we're both still exhausted. We're still deep in the thick of a move and I think last night was the first time we slept in, in a real bed, in a real bed</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">in over a month and a half. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> No. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yes, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:57]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> no. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:58]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> First of all, we've already been here for two weeks. Yeah, but we slept and you thought we were here last week. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> We slept in a real bed two weeks plus one day ago. Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Briefly at a hotel. Yeah. See, no, it was still uncomfortable. I'm sorry. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:13]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it was still uncomfortable. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It was like for a, what?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Two nights? Two nights. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:18]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah. Two luxurious nights. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:20]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Mm. Not so luxurious because stuff was happening, but it has been nuts you guys, and we, so we moved, but we made sure that there was reverence and a sense of respect as much as possible. To the place that we were leaving to the situation that we were leaving to the place, the physical place, the people around us.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And it's interesting because once you start that thing, it's kind of not kind of, but it is a ceremonial thing where things that you don't even think about things, that you don't even try to compose end up kind of being composed in the same manner. Like we were very conscious about making sure that we said thank you to everyone and everything around us in the place we were at; the place we were leaving.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. Right. And then things happened in that same kind of manner without us orchestrating it. For example, our friend Holly pretty much drove not she didn't drive. Well, she drove some distance, but she flew I'm I'm still so nuts from moving. I, I can </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> barely speak. Yeah. We're in a different time zone and that's really kind of screwed </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:36]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> us up.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's not the time zone. It's like a whole, just my whole body is aching. I'm in so much pain guys,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">So Holly flew all the way out to where we were, so we could all have a nice dinner together. Like went out of her way, spent all this money to just be with us the last night so that we would feel happier and we would feel safer, you know, just, we would, we would feel better.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We would have some fun. And we were not in the mood to have fun. We were exhausted already and she forced me to go out. So we went out for drinks, just the two of us, just us girls and this while, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> while I stayed home and I made dinner, you, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:20]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> did you ordered dinner? I I'm sorry. I ordered dinner. That's right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We had no dishes for like two months. So we started camping out in a bare apartment two months before we left. We had nothing. Everything was gone. It was not two </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:34]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> months before. Oh, it was okay. You could split the hairs and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:38]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> say, yes, I think you're starting to wipe it clean. Like you don't remember all this stuff on purpose, but it was two months.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like everything was, we had pots </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:49]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and pans until like the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">last week.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> No, we didn't. No, we didn't. I packed everything away. Must you argue with me? I'm trying to tell a story. . We packed EV I packed everything away. so we only had the camping gear. We had one tiny little crockpot that I ordered that cooks everything really fast and burns everything immediately.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And we had these, plastic utensil that is a spoon, a fork, and a knife at the same time. Remember. Yeah, that's what we had. And that was it we had the pot and we had these paper bowls that we would reuse over and over again.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Remember, okay. Please tell the story. Oh, now you want me to tell the story? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:32]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, yeah, now that I'm wrong, I want you to tell the story. Come on. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:36]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Now I forgot what I was saying. Thanks. Oh, so Holly and I went out for drinks. While we were there, we ran into one of the yoga bitches and a friend by the way of hers</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">now that was friends because I got them together. So we went there. I was promptly. She was just staring at me and then Holly's like, what's the matter? I'm like, I'll tell you later. But I was thinking, wow, this is a perfect opportunity to even in my, my mind to release it, even though we had done it before, remember we kind of ran into her before, like a few weeks before that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And we, as a family, we said, thank you for all the experiences that this person brought to us, even though it brought us a lot of pain mm-hmm . Um, but anyway, it was weird because the other friend was now like the person who is part, I don't know if he's part owner, whatever it is of this establishment.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I was like, Holly. I just wanna leave, like, forget it. I don't wanna get drinks here. She's like, no, we're getting our drinks. No. So anyway, she tricked me into it cause she's like, well, let's just go sit outside. I'm like, fine. Let's just go sit outside. And she ended up ordering drinks, like our favorite drinks.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And we sat there and we had a really nice time said goodbye to the mountains, the continental divide. So it was, you know what I'm saying? It, it even things that I didn't plan for mm-hmm, pretty much came together as a way for me to acknowledge and close, like have closure. Right, right. Anyway, so that happened what I'm trying to say is when you go with that sense of mind.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Things that you don't plan for also fall into place. Like everything falls into place pretty much. And I'm not saying that everything will be easy, cuz oh my God, things have been wild. Have they not literally wild guys, we have run into not run into, but we've come across so much wildlife. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:49]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You mean </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">like the cute little squirrels and the cute little Cardinals and the little, the chipmunks, the what do they call it?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The little, the baby chipmunks chip bets. No. What heck were they calling them? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:59]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> They call them something else besides chipmunk. Yes. Whatever this is getting boring. What we're trying to say was every day has been in. I don't know what the word is. I don't wanna say insane. It's been, it's been, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:11]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it's been an adventure.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:13]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Holy moly. It seemed like at some point everything was going wrong. As in things were just not, first of all, they, everything started off smooth. Everything was great. We were tired, but everything was pretty much working smoothly and everything was done with intention. Then we got even more tired and even more like just exhausted.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Then things started to slow down and things weren't fitting into the puzzle that we thought perfectly like the car was supposed to show up. It was shipped, it was shipped thousands of miles and it was supposed to meet us at a certain day. It was like three, four days. And every day they were like, okay, today.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then all day we waited and maneuvered all these appointments all around this delivery that was supposed to happen. It didn't happen for four days anyway. So we finally get to where we are and I get this call and the driver of this massive vehicle that carries 20 cars with it at the same time, he's like, Hey, I'm near you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm down the street. I can't get any closer. I'm having a problem. So we run. we go in the street and that's when we meet all of our new neighbors or a lot of them. Right. A lot of them. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:32]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, yeah, they were all out because it's, it's a spectacle because there's a big truck in the neighborhood, but anyways, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:37]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but I think it's a different culture where we moved to, because definitely people</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">react differently to things mm-hmm, , people are very different in their communication </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:48]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> very much.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And also we've heard people are very standoffish and are not kind here, but honestly, we've experienced the opposite. Everyone has been very kind and it's been quite wonderful how we've found a way to make friends.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">People are very into starting new friendships here. Right. You hear about. Wherever you go. I don't wanna say exactly where it is because I don't wanna condemn a place, but you always hear how like we did with Seattle. Remember we told you guys about the Seattle freeze, Seattle freeze.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Ooh. The Seattle freezes because people give you the cold shoulder. That's where the term comes from. So we don't wanna condemn any place to say, oh, this is what the people are known for, because it's really not true. So it's, it's how you go into it. You know, you can change things. You can create a whole different ripple wherever you step, you know?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. I forgot what were we saying? Oh, okay. So everybody was out all, a lot of the neighbors were out and there was all this commotion. One of the neighbors came up to me. I was standing next to this truck that was on. So this massive engine, it was really loud. So one of our neighbors is talking to me very emphatically.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">He's weaving his hands and he's being very kind and all, I can hear every other word of what he's saying. I heard "they mean, you know, harm", </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> which is good. It's good that the truck driver means, you know, harm and he is trying to keep you calm. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's very nice,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:22]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but it wasn't the truck driver. It was a neighbor.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It was Steve. Yes. Steve was talking to me, but what I'm saying is I was standing near the truck. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right, right. No, no, no. And I get it, but that's that, that that's what you assumed </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> he was going through, right? No, because as he was saying, they mean you no harm. He was kind of motioning towards this one house on the corner.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So immediately where my mind went was, oh my God, are these people racists? Is he pointing to a neighbor? And telling me, don't worry. They mean you no harm. So immediately my mind goes to, oh my God, what kind of organization is this neighbor involved in? Right. Where you have to tell me, they mean me, no harm.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So I was just standing there looking at him kind of in shock. Like, why are you telling me this right now? And then he kept repeating it and pointing. I'm like, okay. And then I heard the word bear, and then I said, oh, and I thought, okay. They must have some weird, pets. So I said, they have a bear as a pet.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm like yelling and he's yelling and he is pointing. And, he's like, "No, they mean, you no harm!" I'm like they have a pet bear? He's like, no, and he's pointing emphatically now. Right. He motions for me to turn around and I turn around and there's a black bear behind me. meanwhile, the truck driver is there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">All the neighbors are there. Well, a lot of them and now there's this big black bear. That's just like walking and in the middle of this. And </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> he's. 25 30 yards away. It's not like he's like breathing down your </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:06]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> neck or anything. I'm sorry. It was closer than that. You are not near me. When, when, when this happened, you came later after I started yelling that would </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> be me folks.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What do you mean? That would be you that's. You're like, you're not, you always think things are like copacetic, but like I'm in, in, in something by myself, like trying to figure things out and I'm in some absurd situation and you're like, oh, it was no big deal. I'm telling you the bear was, it was right there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It was right by the truck I was in front of the truck and this bear went right. Like he, he, he was closer than 25 yards. He was like, I don't know. He was just like a quarter of a block away. Not even that he was behind the truck. Basically. He just, he just strolls by like, hello, just walks into a Bush. And I'm standing there and, and now the truck drivers are all freaked out as well.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And they're all from Colorado. So I'm like, you guys must be used to this and they're like, no, we've never seen this in our lives. Like they're from Colorado. So, and then the neighbors were like, you must be used to this. You're from Colorado. And I said, no, I've never, I've never, no, never . And like the closest</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">we came to a bear thing was when we first moved to Boulder, it was all over the news that they've, there was a bear and they tranquilized it and it was all over. If you, if you Google like Boulder it'll show up, like how they tranquilized this bear. and then, escorted it out to deep in the mountain somewhere again, but they don't do that where we are, everybody lives together peacefully.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so Steve was like, they mean, you no harm. I'm like, oh, that's what I think I started to use exp explicit. How do you expletives expletives? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh dear. Oh my, what are you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">doing here?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I was like, holy. Sh like </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:08]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Shitake?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:10]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, I got scared because the bear was headed to where Elle and Allegra were; headed towards our backyard and the girls were just walking around.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And what was funny was not so funny as a mom, but Allegra had just said, mom, can I just go walking around the neighborhood by myself? And I had just told her, yeah, that sounds great, but let's make sure we know where everything is first mm-hmm , you know, because we can get lost. Um, cuz she wanted to go in the woods and I'm like, oh, okay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yeah. But then that's when I started yelling for Elle and Allegra and I didn't know if I should yell for them to come to me or run in the house. I don't know. I was, I was just like, I don't know what to do cuz that bear was headed towards them. That's when you come strolling along, by the way. Well, I see the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:02]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> guys and they're like taking pictures of it on their phones and it's like, it's at that point, it's 50 yards away and I'm just like, oh, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:11]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hey, it's a bear, Matt.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">This bear walked, like from where Steve and I was, and then he headed that way. So by the time you saw him, he was that far away. Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Okay. And they were, everything was totally </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">mellow.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:24]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Nope. Are you serious? You think it was mellow?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:27]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> At that point? When I showed up you, the bear was headed to the backyard, to our backyard and the ki I don't do you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:36]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You make me nuts, man. but anyway, what does this have to do with our show topic today? And this has gone, gone on for way too long. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, I mean, the trials of the trials and tribulations of beginning, something of moving forward, or just creating something in your life, it's not always going to be easy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It may seem like it'll be okay, especially when you put forth good intentions and the right mindset, but the world is wild. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:13]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes, it is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It's an adventure. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes it is. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And things can happen that can cause you to lose your mind, which I, I'm not gonna lie. I've been crying every day. There has been so much stress.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But at the same time, it's a beginning. It's a, it's a brand new way. But going back to how you end is how you begin is important because when you leave something with a sense of anger or a sense of just like hate, I guess that will show up in the next phase of where you're going to.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">if you're leaving a job and you leave without proper closure, mm-hmm if you leave that situation with a charge, a charge, meaning something that if you think about changes your body chemistry and is not a happy feeling, it's kind of , a karma situation because you end up reliving a certain situation</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">that's very similar to what you left until you have total closure and you no longer have a charge. So you keep reliving that charge until there's no charge anymore. Make sure that you erase the charge. You erase the charge by completely feeling the situation by feeling where you're at.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And this goes with friendships. Make sure that you have no charge on anyone.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Why are you staring at me like that? Why don't you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:44]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> just, I'm just, I'm just smirking because for those of us who don't know. Yeah. I've been through God since the beginning of this pandemic I've been been through. I don't know how many job changes. I just started another job in, uh, yeah, July. And yeah, all that stuff happens every single time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's like moving on some level, even though I'm working remotely, remotely, remotely, remotely, there's always different personalities, different, different, different, you know, even, even in the simplest move or the simplest job change, it's a matter of, figuring out where if you were in the office, the coffee room is or whatever, and that's in the basic sense.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">but I find it, the thing I, thing that was most interesting about this job is before I started before day one passed, I took time and I sent thanks to people who had helped me along the way. And I think that that really set me up for, for success because my mind was calm. You know, it calmed me down. And even if, you were only to think about things selfishly like that, it's about</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">decluttering your, your mind, your soul, your psyche, your whatever. Yeah. You know, and, and start, and, and starting with as clean of a slate as you can manage. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:59]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right? Not just not having </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:00]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> a charge and open to adventure. Well, as clean of a slate, as you can manage is the problem. Right? Because, you know, there are some deep seated stuff that maybe you can't shake off, but you should really try, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:12]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> even if you can't shake it off, if you ask for it to be</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">cleared it somehow will be.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Sometimes. Yeah.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:20]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You know, and that, I guess it's called </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">prayer</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:22]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> . Right. And, and sometimes for help, it can just be cleared by a random encounter with random person cuz right. You know, back in the day when, I was a teen I had one or three interesting, encounters with people that, told me that, Hey, things are gonna be okay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Which is what I really needed at that point. So, you know, it's one of those cases where when the student is ready, the master appears, or you learn the lessons you need to learn, or all these other wonderful pithy sayings that, that start emerging. But I think it's true if you are open </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">to it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:53]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That leads us to then new beginnings.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">How do you begin a friendship? How do you continue that friendship? It's a little dance and it's, it's quite interesting because I find that we've reached a point in our culture where people, even if, they don't admit that they are lonely, they are totally up for connections. They're very up for doing something together.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And connecting. And so for example, we met , a new friend. Every time we go out, we've met amazing people. And I have just said, I I'm treating it like how we started this whole thing years ago where we said, oh my God, it's like dating all over again. But just to find a friend I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's go back to the dating thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So we go to a coffee shop or we go to a pretty area in town. It's kind of like when you're in that bar and you have that eye contact with someone from across the room, it's the same thing with friends. You have that eye contact, you know, there's so many people around you, but you spot someone you're both staring at each other and then you move closer together and you can, you can choose to say something or not say something, even if you nod.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And you walk away. That's not enough. Come on. Say hi, and then saying hi is not enough. So I just, I've just been taking it as far as I can take it. Yes, you have. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You have been on fire darling. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:27]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, because I'm just, you know, I'm like, you know, come on. First of all, I'm so proud of us for getting out. Yeah. We, we thought we would never, ever go out again.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I thought we would be one of the people that come out of the depression era, you know, the people that went through the dust bowl era where like the. The next generations can't figure out why you hoard packets of sugar. You know, why, why are you holding onto these things? Why are you so obsessed with cleansing your hands?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Mm-hmm you know, previous generations that were raised in the 1920s, people don't understand why they have certain habits or certain idiosyncrasies. but you really have to be in their shoes to understand, oh my God, this is why they do what they're doing. It's a sense of comfort for them because they experienced some sort of trauma.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right? So our trauma was, we were already germophobe because basically giving birth to our first daughter. We almost died because of carelessness at the hospital, right. Because of germs because of a virus. And so we were extreme germaphobes after that, but then here comes the pandemics a, a few years later and we're like, oh my, we, we never thought we would ever go out again.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You guys. And if we did, we thought we would be in hazmat suits basically forever. And so here we are, and we're not doing that. We're just like, we, we were kind of forced into being out there, swimming in the waters. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, yeah, I mean, We ended up flying to where we are. So welcome to this wide, the wide world of being around people constantly swim </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:13]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> swimming in the waters.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I mean, we were, we, yeah, we were flying, but the plane was so small. It was packed. And have they have that? Have I gotten bigger? Do you think Matt, or have the seats gotten smaller? Because I don't remember both my shoulders, like totally like squished be between other people that I don't know. Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:36]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> See, yeah.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I've always been there. So I couldn't, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:38]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> so I've gotten bigger. No, I don't think so. have I gained weight? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:43]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Did look the airline we flew on. Yes. The seats did feel smaller than I'm I'm used </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> to, but I, I think things have changed. I think it's been a while since we, we used to be major. I used to jet set all the time, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:54]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> not me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:55]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Um, wow. I. And nobody was masking. Anyway, I digress what was I saying? So what I do now is beyond I go beyond the hello, I go beyond the, where are you from? You know, whatever talking about the day, whatever I'm like, what's your phone number? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> hayoooo </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> so no, we, we exchange numbers </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and then past that, now my next step is actually.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Oh, oh, I, I, then we texted each other after that to say, I'm so glad I met you, you know? And it was reciprocate reciprocated. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:32]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, it's impossible not to reciprocate somebody paying you a compliment, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but people used to, right. People used to just like, ignore that stuff, but I'm now I'm like going to keep producing more steps, like hello, like today.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">it will be a week since we met Marianne mm-hmm , I'm definitely reaching out to Marianne saying, Hey, happy one week meeting anniversary one week versity and let's meet again. Let's you know? Right. But that's it like go beyond the hello, go beyond the little small talk that starts something off. Go beyond that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Just be brave. And, and say, ask, if you wanna hang out, ask, ask the person what they like. Ask the person, what their story is. People wanna talk about their stories. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Everybody has at least one really great story to tell. And you, you can tease that out of anybody, cuz everybody loves to tell that story, whatever that silly story </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:33]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> is.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And the thing is that everybody is going through something at all times and they may not be saying it. They may not be verbalizing it. They may not be showing it, but everybody's going through something all the time and they need to talk to someone. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:50]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, yes, man is the man is one of the social animals </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and I'm not saying something bad.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm just saying they could have just been like, okay, so we met, we met this new friend. I did, uh, we were walking and it was this pretty area of town. When I saw her, it was that whole thing again, like from far away we noticed each other. Right. And we walked, I walked closer and we ended up talking and I'm like, what were you doing?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It looked like you were part of a movie scene, like a scene from a movie. You look like you were performing some sort of ceremony and the wind was hitting your hair just right. And you're wearing this beautiful. Flowy gown. Like, wow, what's what was going on. She's like I was doing a TikTok video </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:39]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> hayooo,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:41]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but she was noticing how beautiful everything was and I could see it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It was like, it was amazing. But you know, we ended up talking about that and that led to the next point of conversation and the next, and then we started asking questions and then we exchanged phone numbers. And we definitely told each other things that we know about our own selves and shared that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that's it. That's how you begin. And if you've not ended something properly, it's easy to do. All you do is be thankful for that experience. And that begins your clear slate. That begins closure and that frees you to beginning something new. And I'm gonna leave it with that for today, but how do you pronounce the name again?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">G O E T H e</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">GTA </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">GOETHE (gerta) with that, I will, we will leave you off with Goethe quote: "For five minutes a day, look at something beautiful. Listen to something beautiful. Think of something beautiful. No matter what is happening around you for five minutes a day, look at something beautiful. Listen to something beautiful.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Think of something beautiful and begin the next minute. That was my little. thank you for listening guys. We probably sound crazy. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> We are a little </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">crazy right now, little sleep deprived. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:20]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You know, I, I just took a class with an agent for voiceovers. She said that she listens to obviously thousands and thousands of voices every week.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Mm-hmm . And she can tell if someone's depressed or if someone has done something new in their voice. God knows what we sound like right now. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> well, I'm always doing new </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:42]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> stuff. Oh, anyway. Thank you for listening. Love you. Here we go, guys. We wanna venture off. Please email us, let us know your thoughts. We're venturing off.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We're thinking of taking our little podcast studio outside in the wild. Maybe we'll interview some bears. It could be, or maybe we'll end up in our favorite coffee. And start talking to people we just meet and you can see it live, you know, hear it live anyway. Love you so much. Talk to you soon. Be well, bye.</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Why it's so important to end things on a proper note so that you can have a great new beginning; from friendships to jobs, to moving to a new place.
How You End is How You Begin
[00:00:00] Fawn: Hello? 
[00:00:01] Matt: Hello? 
[00:00:02] Fawn: Hi. Oh, so bears trucks, neighbors, wire transfers, bears documents. It has been 
[00:00:12] Matt: nuts. What a long, strange 
trip it's been
[00:00:15] Fawn: This talk today is inspired by one of our friends. Who reminded us a couple years ago, really like to really think about it. Something we've always thought about. Like, I, I never, for this very reason, I'm just about to explain.
I never, did the normal thing for like new year's Eve and stuff like that because how you end is how you begin. So I never, I. Well, sometimes I did but like sometimes I did, but like I never cursed the year before and said nuts to you, 2020 yay. For 2020, you know, 20, 21 or whatever the 
[00:00:56] Matt: right.
You know? Yeah. Yeah. Why do you blasting the old while praising this completely unknown new? 
[00:01:02] Fawn: So Heather who was on our show a while, while back. Heather the advisor, she brought up this phrase of how you end is how you begin. So how you begin is connected directly linked to how you ended something.
So folks, we finally did it.. We moved, we moved, we moved far away to another part of the planet. And we made sure ceremonial in all ways that we definitely ended things on a note that was. Clear. How would you say it? Mind you we're both still exhausted. We're still deep in the thick of a move and I think last night was the first time we slept in, in a real bed, in a real bed
in over a month and a half. 
[00:01:56] Matt: No. 
[00:01:57] Fawn: Yes, 
[00:01:57] Matt: no. 
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                    <![CDATA[The Party Pooper and the Expert]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2022 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>A toast: "Here's to those who wish us well, and those who don't can go to hell."</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Don't let those turkeys get you down. I love turkeys. You know, when we talk about people we don't like and we compare them to pigs or cows or turkeys, it makes me sad because I love all these animals.<br /><br />What's a good word to describe people who just get you down, the ones who take you away from your good path? I'm not talking about your good friends. This episode is dedicated to our loving people that go around, go about their lives, walk their walk, and are in some ways, accosted by people who totally try to throw you off.  Sometimes it comes in the form of random chatter and if you hear enough of this chatter, it can really mess you up. This is a fix for all that stuff.<br /></strong></span></span><br /><br /></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>Party Poopers</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Good </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:01]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> morning. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:02]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Good afternoon. Good evening. Hello to the world. Hello, our beautiful friends. Don't let the turkeys get you down. Don't let those turkeys get you down. I love turkeys. You know, when you talk about people and you compare them to pigs or cows or turkeys, it makes me sad because I love all these animals.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">What's a good word to describe people who just get you down. Who take you away from your good path? I'm not talking about your good friends. I'm and I'm talking to all of our goodhearted people, right? I'm talking about our loving people that go around, go about their lives, walking their walk, and you're in some ways, accosted by people</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">who totally try to, throw you off. I don't know if it's intentional. Sometimes it is. Sometimes it's not, sometimes it's just the way they are. And if you hear enough of this chatter, it can really mess you up.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Call 'em party poopers.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:06]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh yeah. Party </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:07]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> poopers. Every party has a pooper. That's why we invited you party pooper. Oh my God. Okay. Oh, oh, wait. That was a song. Oh. Oh, hope we don't get in trouble for </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">that. Oh, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So for example, I'm a yoga teacher, but there's so many people now telling you how to breathe. </span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[A toast: "Here's to those who wish us well, and those who don't can go to hell."
Don't let those turkeys get you down. I love turkeys. You know, when we talk about people we don't like and we compare them to pigs or cows or turkeys, it makes me sad because I love all these animals.What's a good word to describe people who just get you down, the ones who take you away from your good path? I'm not talking about your good friends. This episode is dedicated to our loving people that go around, go about their lives, walk their walk, and are in some ways, accosted by people who totally try to throw you off.  Sometimes it comes in the form of random chatter and if you hear enough of this chatter, it can really mess you up. This is a fix for all that stuff.
Party Poopers
Good 
[00:00:01] Fawn: morning. 
[00:00:02] Matt: Hello. 
[00:00:02] Fawn: Good afternoon. Good evening. Hello to the world. Hello, our beautiful friends. Don't let the turkeys get you down. Don't let those turkeys get you down. I love turkeys. You know, when you talk about people and you compare them to pigs or cows or turkeys, it makes me sad because I love all these animals.
What's a good word to describe people who just get you down. Who take you away from your good path? I'm not talking about your good friends. I'm and I'm talking to all of our goodhearted people, right? I'm talking about our loving people that go around, go about their lives, walking their walk, and you're in some ways, accosted by people
who totally try to, throw you off. I don't know if it's intentional. Sometimes it is. Sometimes it's not, sometimes it's just the way they are. And if you hear enough of this chatter, it can really mess you up.
[00:01:04] Matt: Call 'em party poopers.
[00:01:06] Fawn: Oh yeah. Party 
[00:01:07] Matt: poopers. Every party has a pooper. That's why we invited you party pooper. Oh my God. Okay. Oh, oh, wait. That was a song. Oh. Oh, hope we don't get in trouble for 
that. Oh, 
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>A toast: "Here's to those who wish us well, and those who don't can go to hell."</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Don't let those turkeys get you down. I love turkeys. You know, when we talk about people we don't like and we compare them to pigs or cows or turkeys, it makes me sad because I love all these animals.<br /><br />What's a good word to describe people who just get you down, the ones who take you away from your good path? I'm not talking about your good friends. This episode is dedicated to our loving people that go around, go about their lives, walk their walk, and are in some ways, accosted by people who totally try to throw you off.  Sometimes it comes in the form of random chatter and if you hear enough of this chatter, it can really mess you up. This is a fix for all that stuff.<br /></strong></span></span><br /><br /></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>Party Poopers</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Good </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:01]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> morning. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:02]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Good afternoon. Good evening. Hello to the world. Hello, our beautiful friends. Don't let the turkeys get you down. Don't let those turkeys get you down. I love turkeys. You know, when you talk about people and you compare them to pigs or cows or turkeys, it makes me sad because I love all these animals.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">What's a good word to describe people who just get you down. Who take you away from your good path? I'm not talking about your good friends. I'm and I'm talking to all of our goodhearted people, right? I'm talking about our loving people that go around, go about their lives, walking their walk, and you're in some ways, accosted by people</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">who totally try to, throw you off. I don't know if it's intentional. Sometimes it is. Sometimes it's not, sometimes it's just the way they are. And if you hear enough of this chatter, it can really mess you up.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Call 'em party poopers.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:06]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh yeah. Party </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:07]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> poopers. Every party has a pooper. That's why we invited you party pooper. Oh my God. Okay. Oh, oh, wait. That was a song. Oh. Oh, hope we don't get in trouble for </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">that. Oh, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So for example, I'm a yoga teacher, but there's so many people now telling you how to breathe. </span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:22]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So like case and point breathing. I was, um, I. I I found myself, well, let me, let me give you the list that just went through my head.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There are people who are telling you how to breathe. There are people who are telling you how to communicate. There are people who are telling you how to even pray, and I'm not a particular religion here, so don't get thrown off by that. But that's another thing that's happened. Like if you use the G word God or whatever now you're, you know, spirit, whatever, right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It messes people up. This is why I'm gonna explain to you why and why you shouldn't let that mess you up because it can actually help you. But like I've experienced it in photography. I have experienced it in baking, cooking, raising kids. There are all these party poopers who are telling you, you're doing it wrong that you need to do it in this particular sequence.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Otherwise it doesn't work case in point, there are all these like quote unquote visualization experts. Give me a break, like telling you, oh, well you have to do it this way. You have to do step 1, 2, 3 before. Otherwise you'll never get what you want. This is why your life is not working out.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Just it's just all too much garbage guys. So this morning I was trying to calm down and I'm like, let me breathe. I'm not even breathing. And then I thought of all the voices, even me, like all the things I've read and all the voices now that are saying, oh, you need to do box breathing. You need to do this kind of breathing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You need to hold it for this many seconds. And like all these like, oh, and you have to breathe in from your feet and breathe in from the top of your head and let it go through, you know what I mean? It is just too much guys. So. I just decided cuz all that was in my head just right to take one breath mm-hmm because I was stressing out and I was laying, lying down in bed, just stressing out mm-hmm and so I said, you know what?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm just gonna breathe ugly. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:29]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm just going to breathe ugly. Okay. Which </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> means I'm just going to let my belly get as big and fat as possible. You know like as women, especially like you don't wanna breathe because you don't wanna stick your belly out. You always wanna look thin, and that really gets in the way of your health.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So breathe like no one's watching, you know, like dance, like no one's watching mm-hmm like, I just decided to take a deep breath and let the belly just like expand in always, right. Like a Jabba the Hutt kind of expansion. And I immediately felt better. cause I, I naturally breathe that again. Like my body just did it for me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">It's amazing how that one breath made me feel better. I didn't follow the rules. I just did what was natural. I just stopped listening. Right. But there are people out there, like, even from photography. I remember there were a few years even to this day, actually that I was, um, I went through major schooling for photography.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Then I went to schooling again, cause I'm always trying to learn more. Right? And then you get people, professors, teachers who don't want some people don't want you to succeed. Some people just want to show their expertise and show that they know best that you know nothing. If you pay attention too much to that as a goodhearted person, as a person, that's already doing your thing, you're doing well. If you pay too much attention to this, it can really throw you off your game. So for photography, for instance, I got so caught up in the, the, is it called minutia? The, just the technical sh it's it's not necessary once you have it down. Once you understand the technical, why make things complicated?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Just do your thing. Even if it's not the technical technical side, then it's the aesthetics, right. You know, what are you trying to convey? And like, how are you composing it? And like all these rules for art, the only rules should be your heart and your emotions. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> See, I'm not sure if I a hundred percent agree with where you're at, because we have a problem</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I think, as a society that we wanna quickly leap from Kind of apprenticeship to mastery. So that's not what I'm </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:59]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> talking about. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:59]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, I just wanna, I'm not just wanna make sure we emphasize this point because I always tell people, you know, learn the rules, then break them. But. Learn the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">rules first, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:11]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Matt, that's not what I'm saying.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm saying when you are already on your path, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> when you're already on your path, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You've already studied and you keep studying. There are people who come in and say, you're doing it wrong, right? Because they just wanna show their. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Expertise. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:27]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And there you go. And I completely agree. It's just, I wanna make sure.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I, I, I heard you say it. I did. I just wanted to make sure that that point was </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">emphasized. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, like, let's talk about raising kids. I don't know if it happens to you, but as a mom, as a woman, I am constantly constantly in different ways, sometimes it's not so upfront, like where you can say, oh, this is exactly what they said.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Sometimes it's just sneaky. People are constantly judging my parenting or like saying what is best for our kids, where they don't know, they know nothing about our kids and our family. Right. Well, and they assume too much. And you know, it, it can really mess you up, especially when you're tired, especially when you're questioning yourself already because raising kids is no joke.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It is horrifying and frightening and you are tired all the time. You're giving it all you have. And then you hear all these voices that are telling you, you're doing it wrong, where you are kind of judging yourself anyway, because you wanna make sure you're doing it right. I'm just saying that's kind of stuff messes you up stuff that should come naturally through love, but like case in point, the breathing thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Visualization. All those like gurus and mm-hmm give me a break, man. come on. you know, if I tell you, do you want a cup of coffee? That's visualization. You in your mind visualize a cup of coffee. That's all you need. Where's my. Go get it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:12]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> do you. I do. I completely get it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that takes us kind of in my mind, at least to the next level of understanding and knowledge. And that is that anybody can throw facts at you all day, all night it's until you internalize them and make your own that it becomes wisdom and somebody expressing this is how you visualize, well, guess.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">this is how they visualize. And that works really well for them. Won't necessarily work well for you, because guess what? You're a completely different person. You, it may work </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:40]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> well, what, but it may not. What I'm saying is, you know, you know, best, you know, you know, you are your own if, if I can equate it to you are a super, uh, highly performance kind of vehicle.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like a mm-hmm like a super car. right. You know how you drive, you know, where all your gears are, you know how to drive it. If someone comes in, let's say you're a Lamborghini. Someone comes in and they're a Ferrari. I bet you, they don't really know all the ins and outs of the Lamborghini. They have to figure it out.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But like, you know, here comes a Ferrari telling you how to drive. You as a Lamborghini, you are the Lamborghini, whatever. I don't know, cars. I'm just saying I don't know. You know, I'm just trying to make an example, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right. And no, no, no, again, completely get it. I completely understand. Again, it's these pieces of interesting almost trivia, but not trivia, but like pieces of something that then can be transformed once you internalize them into knowledge. And that is indeed yes, first gear is good for this second gear is good for that, but how I get to first gear, how I get to second gear on my car is different paddle shifters, automagic, um, you know, uh, stick, shift, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:53]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> whatever it is.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Did you say automagic? That's your own word, right? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">No, it isn't. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It Isn't? I always thought you invented that. I, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:00]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> yes, my wife very gullible. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:03]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Stop </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it, I didn't invent it, but it's a very convenient </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:06]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> term.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Thanks for calling me gullible and stupid. I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">didn't. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hey, gullible is not stupid. Ignorant is not again,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">stupid.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's it's I should bring to it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> not so gullible. I don't appreciate that. Watch out </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> getting in trouble today, please. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:22]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's right. That's right. I'm feeling very frisky. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, frisky</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:26]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> is good. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">No, not risky. I'm feeling very don't mess with me today. I'm on fire. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:32]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes boss. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So what I'm saying is now I've oh, like for example, alright, don't get turned off by what I'm gonna say, cuz I know we are all from different faiths and some of us, just whatever you are, you are going about</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">life and life is quite magical. It is electronic. It is, it is vibrational. It is everything. It doesn't matter. I'm all religions. So I'm about to start talking about God, but for example, I've always had my own relationship with God, God and I are tight. Alright. I know. I, I get messages. I have been since I was a little kid, but you know, you get these people who are like, so religious coming in throughout your life. And they say stuff in your presence and it kind of accumulates. So if you don't clean up your atmosphere in your life, these things end up chipping away at and making your life they're chipping away at your life. And they're chipping away at your ability to really walk properly.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It makes things mucky. For example. When I was a kid, like is an ex, okay. For example, this is an example of little voices in your head. Right. And they can stick around forever and you need to make sure you wipe it out and clear it pretty much on a daily basis. Right. You can call it meditation. You can call it just asking, telling yourself let's clear that. That's unnecessary.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That is garbage. That needs to be recycled. That needs to be composted into something beautiful instead of just laying around and being all smelly and icky. all right. So for example, when I was a kid, I don't know, probably five or six years old. Mm-hmm I was playing with my cousin. And, you know, the family was religious of their own faith, whatever.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I was always, since the beginning, my own person, you know, I didn't really, like, I didn't have a particular religion or anything, but I had communication with spirit. Like I, I knew I knew who I was and I knew I knew spirit. I knew God, I, I heard the voice. I, it was just part of me, right? No question. But I was playing with my cousin and out of the blue</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">she's like, Hey, when you go to the bathroom, you should never think about God. because God's not gonna like that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:59]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh dear.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:59]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It's like the worst thing you can do is to think about God in the bathroom. So of course </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> don't, don't think about pink elephants. Oh God. Now I can't stop thinking. So </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> every time I went to the bathroom, I had a panic attack.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm like, because I of course would think about God. I'm like, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry to thinking to myself, but you know, you all know me. I get my best messages in the bathroom, probably because of that conversation. Ever since I can remember, I've always had great epiphanies and direction in life by being in the bathroom.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I think it's from God, it is divine. I get divine insight. I get insight into life when I'm in the bathroom. Mm-hmm but do you know what I'm saying? All these years, that's kind of stuck with. I had to, I realized the other night, I gotta clear that because what is that saying? I was talking to my friend, Ruth, our friend, Ruth, you met her, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">She came on our show. We were talking about this last night that I'm fascinated by how people pray and the words that they choose to link together in an open prayer . Like I'm talking about my friends from all religions, even the ones that aren't religious. It's just fascinating how they master, they compose a prayer and I realized I'm afraid to pray out loud because I've heard all these wonderful people, so eloquently put together a prayer, things like spontaneous on the fly.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They can come up with something totally eloquent to say for that situation. Whereas I was feeling very self-conscious I'm like, I can't do. Can I, so I came up with all these questions. I was talking to Ruth about it. Ruth is very spiritual, very of God, you know? Right. And I was like, okay, so I'm having a problem.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">One is, I've been remembering all these things that people have told me. Like, don't ask God for anything. God has enough troubles. God is not here to help you with all your little details. I'm like, really? Cause I. God and I are tight. Like I always ask why not? And I always feel heard, but I had this enough from certain Catholic people and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:18]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> oh dear </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:18]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> certain Christians that had really messed me up.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It kept happening over and over again throughout my life so far, like people saying that, like, why are you bothering God with your basically saying with your stupid asks God, God is busy. I'm like, well, isn't God infinite and everywhere. And like, why are you putting man's persona on God? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:47]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> He's, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">he's a dude in a flowing robe who only has time to take care of one thing at a time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">See, again, not the tradition I was brought up in. I was literally told in confirmation school, which is for, yeah, you people who don't have to deal and there's different traditions, but it's how you become, you have to go through confirmation class and pass it ironically, and then you're accepted as a member of the Lutheran church.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But we were told you can pray like totally like leaning back with your arms out. It doesn't matter. and we were told you can ask for anything. And even my confirmation little Bible verse was, you know, whatever you ask for in prayer, you, you shall receive. Right. And that's in the Bible. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. You know, and, but that's new Testament.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:26]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Not old. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well, I'm just saying, I think maybe I talk to more people and I have different conversations with people. Mm-hmm and people say the most outrageous stuff to me, you know, people say stuff to me that they would never say to you. Right. I don't know. Chalk it up to me being the color that I am. And you being the color, who knows why?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I don't know, but I mean, that's just one example. And then the another one I heard was, God, won't hear you unless you voice it out loud. And this goes to the visualization. Oh, interesting. This goes to the visualization people too. You have to write it down. Right. And I know that's important. True, but they'll say it won't happen unless you write it down, it won't happen</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">uN unless you voice it out loud. Um, it won't happen. So I'm like, well, does that mean, God doesn't hear my, my thoughts. And so this was a conversation I was having with Ruth. I'm like, I'm confused now. Like I'm like, I don't even know she's like, of course, of course you, and she equated it to, she brought up a, an actual verse from the Bible.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">because that's what she does, you know? Right. But she used a story as an example of like how the voice of God is in a whisper of the wind. I'm like, so if it's the voice of God is in the whisper of a wind. So my whispering of my mind is a whisper of the wind to God. So therefore it works both ways. So God or spirit, whatever you wanna call it can hear.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I can just think a thought. I can think a prayer. Is that valid, you know? And I needed that validation from someone who's an expert. You know what I mean? Like in that case, I'm seeking out an expert, like, can you set me straight? Like, this is what I believed since forever. Mm-hmm she's like, of course, of course a, a whisper of a thought is heard.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Of course, you know?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah. But did you ask </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">her about peeing? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:26]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What do you mean?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:27]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, did you say it's bad to think of God when I pee? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:30]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh, I, we totally talked about that. Yeah. She's like, that is ridiculous. Like , cause that's assuming that your body is filthy and God made your body like you are from God. Like why? It's not filthy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It was just some ridiculous thing my stupid cousin brought up. Hey, when we </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">were </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> five, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:48]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> this wasn't spitty spit. Spitty spit spit spit spit. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Was it?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> No, it was not spitty spit spit. It was the cousin that made that nickname for spitty spits spit. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:57]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh, nice. And guess why spitty spit spit had that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">nickname </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> by the way, we're translating it from Farsi.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We called him. Well, actually I never called him this, but the cousin called him tof tofu. TOF is spit you know, it's like spitty spit, spit spitty would be tofu, but TOF means to spit. And so to tofu was his name and it was created by the same cousin. Just mean, who said don't think of God in the bathroom. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> this person liked to be in charge </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> anyway.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You've met them. They're nuts, these people, but anyway, I digress. So, yeah. Where were we anyways? We're talking about<strong>. "</strong> <strong>Experts" and party poopers that can throw you off your game. </strong>Now I talked about religion and faith, but it comes in so many forms. Baking, like I'm doing a great job baking and then someone comes along and says, you can't do it like that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Baking is a science. I'm like it is?! Cuz I just grab a handful of this and it, but that's what I. You and other people , but like, but yet you enjoy my baklava. You enjoy everything I make pretty much, sometimes I screw up, but I don't measure like that. It is not a science. The science for me is emotion and heart and love, you know what I'm saying?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So, and then, you know, then I started freaking out. I'm like, oh my God, I have to get one of those scales and measure it. And oh, I have to measure it in a cup this way and oh, it's, it's too much just live your life. you're a goodhearted person. Walk your walk. There are too many voices right now, and there are too many voices because everyone's trying to make a buck.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Honestly, everyone sees the traditional way of making money is now gone. So all these people are online telling you, you have to buy their course and they get so protective of like that. They're like so hungry and greedy to make money a certain way that they don't care how it's affecting people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Everybody's selling a course now, you know, I may sell a course in the future, but I, I hope that I don't behave like that. I hope that it's done with integrity and a sense of openness and a sense of sharing, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> you know? Right. It should come from a place of abundance rather than a place of scarcity. And there's a lot of, if you don't, if you don't take my course, then you can't do such and such.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:33]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. You'll never make it without my course or you'll never make it you know, whatever. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> <strong>Walk, your walk, figure out what works for you </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>and move</strong> </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:44]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> anyway. That's the message for today. Love you guys. Talk to you in a few days. Don't let the turkeys get you down or don't let the party poopers poop on you.</span></span></p>
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Don't let those turkeys get you down. I love turkeys. You know, when we talk about people we don't like and we compare them to pigs or cows or turkeys, it makes me sad because I love all these animals.What's a good word to describe people who just get you down, the ones who take you away from your good path? I'm not talking about your good friends. This episode is dedicated to our loving people that go around, go about their lives, walk their walk, and are in some ways, accosted by people who totally try to throw you off.  Sometimes it comes in the form of random chatter and if you hear enough of this chatter, it can really mess you up. This is a fix for all that stuff.
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[00:00:01] Fawn: morning. 
[00:00:02] Matt: Hello. 
[00:00:02] Fawn: Good afternoon. Good evening. Hello to the world. Hello, our beautiful friends. Don't let the turkeys get you down. Don't let those turkeys get you down. I love turkeys. You know, when you talk about people and you compare them to pigs or cows or turkeys, it makes me sad because I love all these animals.
What's a good word to describe people who just get you down. Who take you away from your good path? I'm not talking about your good friends. I'm and I'm talking to all of our goodhearted people, right? I'm talking about our loving people that go around, go about their lives, walking their walk, and you're in some ways, accosted by people
who totally try to, throw you off. I don't know if it's intentional. Sometimes it is. Sometimes it's not, sometimes it's just the way they are. And if you hear enough of this chatter, it can really mess you up.
[00:01:04] Matt: Call 'em party poopers.
[00:01:06] Fawn: Oh yeah. Party 
[00:01:07] Matt: poopers. Every party has a pooper. That's why we invited you party pooper. Oh my God. Okay. Oh, oh, wait. That was a song. Oh. Oh, hope we don't get in trouble for 
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Goethe said "he who cannot draw on 3000 years is living hand to mouth." We explore our history and think about this quote by Goethe as we wrap our ethics series. We explore so much, including </strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Goethe, the four ideals, prosperity, the satisfaction of desires, moral duty, spiritual perfection, Lao Tzu, "Tao te Ching," living simply and honestly, the idea of reciprocity and much more.</strong></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yuhoo hello? Hello? Are </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> we ready? Oh my goodness. Yes. So here we are. We're back to talk about ethics. Oh my God. Again, um, we're gonna try to wrap it up though, which, which of course, you know, seeing is how we're literally at, uh, one CE or one common era. Ad for you folks who didn't grow up with it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There is an awful lot going on. In point of fact, Goethe said "he who cannot draw on 3000 years is living hand to mouth." </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. Goethe man or woman, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> man. German man German. He is the man in German, literature. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:42]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I always get a little scared with anything Germans. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:46]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> He does. What's his background. We certainly need to touch a little bit on NCHE today.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So that's gonna be really </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">scary. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:51]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh my God. Can we make it a quick one today? We're gonna do what we can do. It's like when you're moving, you're like, okay, we have everything in boxes. And then when it really comes down to it, you're like, oh, wait a minute. There's this piece over here, this piece over there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And you end up just cramming everything into one final box. Right? And I think that's what we're doing today. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:11]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> oh my goodness. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:12]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I mean, ethics is a very complicated thing or situation, isn't it? </span></span></p>
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[00:00:00] Fawn: Yuhoo hello? Hello? Are 
[00:00:04] Matt: we ready? Oh my goodness. Yes. So here we are. We're back to talk about ethics. Oh my God. Again, um, we're gonna try to wrap it up though, which, which of course, you know, seeing is how we're literally at, uh, one CE or one common era. Ad for you folks who didn't grow up with it. 
There is an awful lot going on. In point of fact, Goethe said "he who cannot draw on 3000 years is living hand to mouth." 
[00:00:32] Fawn: Okay. Goethe man or woman, 
[00:00:35] Matt: man. German man German. He is the man in German, literature. 
[00:00:42] Fawn: I always get a little scared with anything Germans. 
[00:00:46] Matt: He does. What's his background. We certainly need to touch a little bit on NCHE today.
So that's gonna be really 
scary. 
[00:00:51] Fawn: Oh my God. Can we make it a quick one today? We're gonna do what we can do. It's like when you're moving, you're like, okay, we have everything in boxes. And then when it really comes down to it, you're like, oh, wait a minute. There's this piece over here, this piece over there.
And you end up just cramming everything into one final box. Right? And I think that's what we're doing today. 
[00:01:11] Matt: oh my goodness. 
[00:01:12] Fawn: I mean, ethics is a very complicated thing or situation, isn't it? 
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Goethe said "he who cannot draw on 3000 years is living hand to mouth." We explore our history and think about this quote by Goethe as we wrap our ethics series. We explore so much, including </strong></span></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Goethe, the four ideals, prosperity, the satisfaction of desires, moral duty, spiritual perfection, Lao Tzu, "Tao te Ching," living simply and honestly, the idea of reciprocity and much more.</strong></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yuhoo hello? Hello? Are </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> we ready? Oh my goodness. Yes. So here we are. We're back to talk about ethics. Oh my God. Again, um, we're gonna try to wrap it up though, which, which of course, you know, seeing is how we're literally at, uh, one CE or one common era. Ad for you folks who didn't grow up with it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There is an awful lot going on. In point of fact, Goethe said "he who cannot draw on 3000 years is living hand to mouth." </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. Goethe man or woman, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> man. German man German. He is the man in German, literature. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:42]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I always get a little scared with anything Germans. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:46]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> He does. What's his background. We certainly need to touch a little bit on NCHE today.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So that's gonna be really </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">scary. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:51]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh my God. Can we make it a quick one today? We're gonna do what we can do. It's like when you're moving, you're like, okay, we have everything in boxes. And then when it really comes down to it, you're like, oh, wait a minute. There's this piece over here, this piece over there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And you end up just cramming everything into one final box. Right? And I think that's what we're doing today. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:11]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> oh my goodness. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:12]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I mean, ethics is a very complicated thing or situation, isn't it? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And there's, I mean, we, we should have a whole podcast on just </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">ethics, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:22]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right. And ethics is of course that branch of philosophy that's, uh, concerned with what is morally good and bad, right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And wrong, where they may or may not stand in opposition to each other, sometimes good and evil and right and wrong are in conflict. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:36]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Let's get started. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh my goodness. So when we last left our heroes, as I like to say, we kinda left with the world with, Christianity starting to become ensconced in Rome.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Okay. Not fair because we can certainly go from there and go through all the Western philosophers and talk about ethics of moral right and wrong, but we're completely ignoring what happened over there to the east. So we need to talk about India. Because India gave birth to Hinduism and something that maybe people aren't that aware of, but it also gave birth to, Buddhism.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">In India they had this sense that the world was set up in a correct way in a moral way. And the way things were set up was the way things were supposed to be set up. So they looked towards, four ideals and those four ideals would be, prosperity. Hey, we love that one, satisfaction of desires.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They didn't ignore that aspect of ourselves and deny it the way other people did, moral duty and spiritual perfection. And it's that last one that catches you out. So </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:41]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> what are the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">four again?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:43]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Prosperity. Woo, woo. Satisfaction desires. Awesome. Moral duty and spiritual perfection. Mm-hmm . So we start getting into this sense of the wheel of Dharma, the improvement of life</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">as you go on the, transitioning from perhaps one form to another form. And so all of a sudden, now that takes us out of my life, my specific life on earth and takes me to a more I need to do good things for society because in 300 years, right. I need to, you know, make sure that things are okay, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> so you're not myopic, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Again, you're not living hand to mouth. You're </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:20]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> not tunnel visioned. You're seeing the broader picture. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:23]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right? Right now, of course there was backlash. There is always a hedonistic cult. There is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:29]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> always back backlash. Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:31]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> There's always people to argue. And, and when you get into Western philosophy, which I encourage everybody to do, there's a lot of back and forth.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And a lot of I refute this, but I accept that. There's a lot of that going on, but anyways, back to India, so they believed that the world was set up the way it should be set up, which led to what now is still existing in India, denial or not the caste system. Where you have priests, you have soldiers and you have kind of the others.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:58]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Excuse me. We all have a cast system. There's a definite cast system in the United States. You know, there's a cast system everywhere. I think in society, there's a cast system like it or not </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> spoken like a true Indian, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:11]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> not, not, not like it or not, but it's, I'm, it's spoken as a realist. Don't tell me there's not a cast system in every country I'm just </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">around the world.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm just saying it's not necessarily as let's call it established as it was, is in India. So everything's ordered the way it's ordered and that's how it should always be. Wow. Interesting and great. Certainly if you are a priest or warrior, cuz they're kind of equivalent and warrior cast is also like the ruling is also like the Kings and such.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Not so good if you're in the other cast and they're sub cast to them, but those are the major ones. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:50]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I mean studying Greek and Roman history, there was definitely a cast system there. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:54]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, yeah, there were certainly slaves. There were senators and there, there were landowners, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">So anyways, so there was a backlash towards the he a hedonistic cult or hedonistic branch. And there was also another schism that went the complete other way. And these are the, oh, I can't pronounce. J a, I N I'll go Jane, but I don't know.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I'm gonna offend somebody which is still around today. And those are the people that you hear about who are, oh my God, we can't hurt insects. Oh my God, we can't hurt. They actually literally took this sense of moral duty, and spiritual perfection to the point of not harming others. Because that of course is part of your moral duty is not to harm anybody mm-hmm or any.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So that's very interesting. I always </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:38]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> wondered about them because, so you can't eat potatoes, right? Like they're very, very careful why not potatoes? Um, I don't remember, but there was a reason like potato is off. I think, I think I'm talking about the same group, but it's like, what do they eat then? I always think as a vegan, I'm still harming plants.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I totally believe plants have consciousness and feelings and all of that. How do they survive? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:06]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. And it's like, oh, well, okay. Do they drive a car ever? I can, I can, I can only eat like maybe windfall apples, but, uh, is a windfall apple, a potential apple tree. Mm-hmm things start to get real sticky real quick.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. Um, and there actually is, there are people who belong to this sect who there's there's, there's like there's two sets of rules, one for one for the priesthood and then one for just regular people. So they don't have to take it to quite the extreme. So I'm willing to bet that, that, you know, people who adhere to that can ride in a train.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They anyways, anyways. And then of course we have Buddhism . And this was a 29 year old prince who one day saw, what is it? an old man, a sick man. A </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> is this Sidhartha yes. Okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:54]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah. This is the Budha. This is the Budha with capital T capital B. Um, anyways,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">the original</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">one day he saw his parents kept him away from everything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And one day he saw an old man, a sick man, a man being a, a dead man and a priest well, he decided to become a priest of those four options. That was the one he liked the most, not, he didn't intend it to be a religion. He intended it to be a philosophy and he intended it to be a philosophy where you walk in between, this world of absolute spiritual, it was, he was still of the world and he understood that he would be of the world.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But he practiced self denial and all the rest of it and freedom from desire and all of that and all of that. And that kind of was rejected in India, but China seemed to like it a lot. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">China of course, is its own everything. And between Buddhism, you also have another two, legendary figures and that would be Lao Tzu the man who wrote the "Tao te ching,"</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">which some people only know is a fortune telling system, which is, you know, kind of interesting and bizarre. And then you also have Confucius. Now, Lao Tzu said, Hey, live simple and honest rock on. And he wrote the "Tao te Ching," and everybody draws great meaning from it. I as well, I have a copy and I do refer to it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I have </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> a very thick, big copy. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:18]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> But if you wanna distill him down, you kind of distill it down to live simple and honest. And then, if you had to distill, say Confucius down to one, one word, you can actually do it. And that is reciprocity ,kind of the golden rule. You know, what you do to others, you gonna have done to you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so he attempted to really define a. Much more, much more rigid where people on top have to help people on the bottom. and then what's very, very interesting is this is one of those instances because they do cast, they both cast such a looming shadow over things. They actually met one another Confucius was very confused by Loa Tzu he didn't understand him at all.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Just spun around in circles. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And of course, Confucius then later had, after he passed then he had different, factions grow up around his philosophy. And one side said that the reason why people are evil is either due to a bad upbringing, so it's the parent's fault, or a lack of education. Then the other, other kind of side said that the rules of morality, keep our baser needs in check.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So that's why we have to have these moralistic rules. I'd love to say gee, that covers it, but my God, there's a lot more going on there, but unfortunately we gotta go back to Rome. And we gotta go back to that. Unfortunately, the Western tradition, which is just gonna drive, Fawn nuts. So we're back there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Jesus' disciples. Think the end of the world is coming. It doesn't. So what does that mean? Well, all of a sudden, Rome has an empire to run </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and you, well, let's rewind. Yes. So they thought the end of the world was coming and. They just gave away all their belongings. They Marie Kondoed everything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yes. And then what </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> happened? The end of </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> the world didn't happen. And then what happened? Because remember in two, in the year, 2000, right before the year, 2000 mm-hmm everyone thought it was the end of the world, then it was 20, 20. Was it 2020? When was it the end of the may calendar? I think </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it was more like 2012 </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:21]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> or 20, 20 12.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's right. 2012. But. Do people just do bad things. I'm, I'm </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:28]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> wondering like people try, honestly, I think more people try and get right than try and get wrong. Hmm. I think, I think it's definitely a rule of more of the moralist versus the hedonist, which is kind of where we sit today, which is kind of the history of philosophy is, is the sense of morals;</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">is that something that we're taught or something that is inherent to us and what is inherently good, which is exactly what ethics has to talk about. And everybody ping, pongs it back and forth. so we're back in Rome and you've got a whole bunch of Christian soldiers who refuse to fight because killing is wrong.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yeah. And obviously the auditorial games were wrong and, and slavery, once again is wrong. So what are you gonna do? So you're in power in Rome, but now the Roman emperor has become a Christian. So what do you do? Do you outlaw slavery? Well all the rich landowners are gonna be really upset who have lots of slaves are gonna be really upset.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So it sounds like, or do you piss off the general </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:26]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> population? So I see why you went to that quote because it seems like we are just going in loops. and we </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:32]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> do and that over and over again. And that's another thing that somebody else hipped me to, that I need to take a closer look </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:38]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> at. Oh yeah. Our friend mark, you guys mark.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Suddenly one day we were talking, he and this was after Matt and I got into a big fight over how he sees the future versus how I see the future. And I guess I made my point really. It was well pointed out whatever I said. I guess, because you got so depressed and you just said, I give up, I'm exhausted.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right? There is no refuting what I was saying. Right. And I was talking about women's rights, just everyone's rights that are being trampled on right now. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Whereas I saw it as a pendulum, right. And swing one way, and then they swing the other way. And that's kind of how </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:21]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> things go. And, and I was saying, Mmm, no things are really messed up.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And to the point of no </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:27]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> return, you were making the argument I actually learned from my systems and simulation computer class, where, when systems generally like to get into harmony, except when they get completely out of whack and you are making the argument that the system getting completely out of </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:44]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> whack.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And, and my argument was, it is so out of whack that it will break and things will be really, really bad. And then you have to start all over again. There are, there is evidence out there with some certain archeologists who have found that every 5,000 years civilization gets completely destroyed. Like mankind goes away, things just break and you have to start all over again.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Anyway. So we had this very depressing talk and fight. And then, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and Fawn was right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:21]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Fawn was right. I was rice. Fawn was </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Fawn was right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:26]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I mean, I really didn't wanna be right. I was trying to, I know, make a point and I was hoping you would counter it like you usually do, but you didn't, you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:34]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> are just gonna hear my same tired, old arguments and you're right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:37]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. And I was saying, yeah, they are tired. you're gonna hear it. Yeah. So what happened was Mark came in our friend Mark, and he's like, guys, I, I think I figured it out and I feel optimistic about the future. And we're like, oh my God, what? Tell us right now. So we met for coffee and he broke it down for us.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I really wanna do an episode with Mark, but then Mark wants to make sure that he gets his facts straight before he comes on here. whereas I just like to just like, let's just talk about it. You know what I'm saying? because yeah, it was, it was a little bit uplifting, not a little bit, but a lot uplifting listening to.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And his explanation of basically it was like Aikido and circles and what you just said, right? It just, it comes back around </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> anyways, back to ethics. All right. And now back to our show, so all of a sudden, now you have Christian soldiers or soldiers who convert to Christianity saying I can't go to war. And all of a sudden you have Roman leaders saying, well, if we have a significant population who won't fight.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well guess what, we're gonna lose this empire and somebody else is gonna carve us up. And everybody, the guy on top always wants to stay on top. Right? So all of a sudden ethics has to become oh, dead, deadly. Ethics has to become flexible and all of a sudden killing in the name of Jesus is okay. Oh my God.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I know. Scary. Absolutely scary. But you see this time and time again, because what are you gonna do? Are you gonna let the other guys steam roll you? Are you not? So we start getting into something that we later dwell on. We under Maia valley, which is kind of the politics of power. What did you say? Maia valley.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yeah. Oh yeah. Maia valley is the guy way in the, and again, this is one people hate to talk about. That's why we're gonna talk about Machiavelli. We're gonna talk about Nietzsche. Machiavelli was all about if you're in power, how you gonna stay </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:37]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> there? Was he a dictator? I don't know anything about Machiavell. Well, some </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:42]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> people say maybe the prince was, meant sarcastically, but people took it to heart.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Because if you are in charge, your problems are different than if you're not in charge. Right. And it's, you start making all sorts of moral decisions about what you do, right? Mm-hmm you start saying, well, is it okay to let 10,000 people starve if a hundred thousand people don't starve. How do you make these decisions?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Utilitarianism is, an offshoot of that, which is greatest, good, greatest number, welcome Star Trek fans. It's tricky. So all of a sudden Christianity had to get more kind of okay with these weird moral dilemmas and all of a sudden, you know, for, uh, religious figures to say, Yes. It's better to kill than, you know, in the name of, because we're right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Because, because, because, and, you know, you start to see, philosophical issues kind of get. Maybe trampled on maybe tramped on's the right word. And again, slavery, because Christianity believed that yeah. Slaves were just as saveable as anybody else. So </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:51]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> basically we're getting away from true. Well, ethics can mean anything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Ethics doesn't mean good. So we're getting away from do no harm. Because you wanna make a buck or you wanna be in power and you know what? You can justify any movement you make and make it right with yourself, for yourself to like keep going. So like when you have a friend and your friend acts horribly and starts saying messed up things to you and the friendship breaks.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">When the friendship breaks up, they have their own moral justification and they talk to other people about it and like explain their point of view. Or like, even to themselves say why they broke up their friendship. You can make whatever justifications you want. You still did wrong. But if you don't wanna look at that, you know, you just justify until in your head, you brainwash yourself into thinking you did no harm. So all this stuff that's happening again, I think it is just a bunch of the, the patriarchy, basically like men thinking this is the way to go and it's not. There's. So, like I said, in the previous show, I just think there are other possibilities and.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Looking at history right now and saying, this is justified. This is in, you know, in the name of we're doing this. Even if it's in the name of feeding the whole world, it's just basically you have to come to the very, very simple truth of something and don't make excuses. If you have to make excuses. To me, that is wrong.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There's something wrong. If you're having to justify something it's wrong and you know, it's wrong, that's why you're sitting there trying to justify it and put a name on it in the name of, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:52]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> but then what's the difference between trying to justify it and just trying to explain it, or am I, am I going down the apologia or route you are </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:01]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> going down the aplologia or right, because of the apologia or route, because if you're having to explain it, if you're having to justify.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Something is a skew. If something is totally good, there's no explaining. There's no nothing. So if you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> back to me and say, how could you steal that loaf of bread? I shouldn't say anything. Or should I say it was to feed my family? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:27]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, that's because I asked you, but if you're gonna say I had to do this to feed my family, you know, it was wrong.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's you're just, you're justifying it, right. I'm not saying it wasn't. I'm not, I'm not judging, but it's like, I think it comes down to judging yourself. And I think that's a number one issue. And another number one issue is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">it's about not even thinking about how you are affecting others. That's another issue. So either you're making excuses or you're so such a psychopath that you're not even thinking of others. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:07]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And sometimes that's absolutely true. I, I have a hard time arguing that fact, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:13]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but that's, that's a whole other issue, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There is, there's a problem right there, right? Because obviously something is wrong if you're not able to have empathy and compassion and see someone else's perspective. That's a whole other disease, I think. And I think that's someone who does not belong in the tribe let alone lead </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:34]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> a tribe, right. Where a tribe is, uh, just a complete mix of people, because I would say that, you know, in this modern day world where I can theoretically, you know, and let's talk, let's.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know, modern day 2019 world. Let's not talk about now, cuz I don't know where things are now with the apple cart, but in the 2019 world, I could jump in my car, go to work, talk with a bunch of people who have similar education, similar backgrounds, similar socioeconomic, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And believe I am connecting with my tribe and hearing their argument and making them my own that doesn't take into account everybody else. Mm-hmm because, you know, I'm, I might be working in a privileged position or I might be working in a completely unprivileged position, but I don't necessarily get contact on the other side of it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. You know, to get a true sense to right. Get connection to that aspect of humanity. Mm-hmm because </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> you're in your bubble. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah. And, and that's really the trick. That's really the, I think the hard part about it all. How do you break out of the bubble? How do you, how do you connect with people who aren't just like you particularly, and again now in the internet age where I can literally find, you know, a group of people who maybe went to the same school work at the same company, the whole kit and caboodle who are exactly like me, I can find groups of these people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We could ignore the rest of the world. I would </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:07]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> say, don't go seeking a group. I would say, go back to a clear slate and be nothing and just watch the world and, and taste all the flavors. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And, and that's just it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:21]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And be open without having to profess what you are about and without having to profess what you think all of that. Be a clear slate and see nature as it is. And by that, I mean, not only looking at the trees and the birds and everything, but going out and just like seeing how people speak and how people walk and how people live, how people cook, how people create and just watch like your, like I always say, when you wanna be a good friend, you have to almost treat it like you're watching a movie and don't put anything on it, just watch it and see how it's evolving, how it's transpiring. Right. So I would say the same thing with the whole ethics and joining groups and everything. It's like, don't, don't be such a joiner, just like be open, you know, without judgment.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Just, just watch and listen. You don't have to prove your point all the time. The most important thing is to prove it to yourself and think it to yourself, but like, why are you propagating? Whatever you think is right. Like why? Just be quiet </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:38]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and again, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:39]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> unless, unless someone needs help, you're gonna let me talk.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">all right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:44]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Go my </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:45]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> goodness. Sorry. The woman has an opinion. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Dang. I'm kidding. Go ahead. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:52]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Dang. Ouch. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">No, anyways, no, I, I completely agree. It's like figuring out how you can free yourself from judgment, which is a, a real thought one for me personally, by the way. Uh, however, I do try and maintain a sense of curiosity.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I wanna know why. I'm curious as to why I'm not trying to needle in my point, I'm trying to understand. And one of my favorite things is when somebody takes an assumption I have and spins it upside down and forces, most people don't like that forces me to take a completely different </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">look at the world.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. We were talking about this yesterday. Why do people get upset with you when you say I'm moving? It's because you're disrupting the pattern that they're used to. And it comes with everything, right? Like they, they have figured out how to go about their lives. They depend on seeing you, or they depend on knowing that you're gonna be there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Do you know what I'm saying? And </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:47]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> yes, but it, I think it's it's, to me, there's a second point to it. There, there is that selfish, complete selfish aspect to it. And then there's also this aspect of the way I live is best and people like feeling that way. Again, it's the same way that people believe that they always act in the most moral way possible, most moral, not necessarily moral way, but the most moral.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So you leaving, people can view that as a rejection of the things that they like or hold onto. Like why would you ever want to leave the most fantastic place on earth? The most cetera, cetera, cetera, you are basically, people can feel like you are rejecting them. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. We talked about this. Remember when we were talking about, we don't have mentors anymore and we brought it back to like generations and</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">parents get so offended, especially like as immigrants, immigrant parents get offended when you start becoming more of the culture that you moved into, than your parents did, it's a threat to them right of their existence and everything that they're about. But it comes not just with immigrants, but just parents in general, like generation to the next generation, especially these days.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's like, they feel rejected. They feel like you're saying your way is wrong. Whereas it's just the transformation of life, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:20]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right? Absolutely. Or the evolution of your own personal beliefs. And we see something similar in philosophy. So we see people refuting and typically it comes right back to the Greeks versus the Christians, at least in Western thought where the Greeks believed in, uh, worldly success and the Christians quote, unquote Christians. And this is also Judaeo-Christian by the way, they emphasized meekness and obedience and patience. And, and the Greeks didn't do that. We talked about this last show and we go back and forth because, you know, you look at, um, something like, St.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Augustine, and he believed that. Again, meekness. And then, you know, boom, you go to somebody like an Occam who believes that whatever God does is good. And that's a scary thought and philosophy, and I'm getting there to Machiavelli who says G stay in power baby, because you're gonna help out the most people by doing that, even though he didn't really talk about a moral imperative, he only talked about staying in control.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Doing whatever it took to stay in control. So if that meant being a good guy, be a good guy. If that meant not being a good guy, don't be a good guy. Scary. And that takes us zing, zing, zing, Hobbs, the ultimate hedonist who believed that I'll do whatever I want to do. Because it makes me feel good and people come back to that saying, but then why help out poor people?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And he says, well, cuz I, I like the smile on the poor person's face when I give him cash. He skirts the issue though. And he avoids any kind of overarching moral imperative. And that takes us to marks who says the government should enforce equality. And then finally to Nietzsche who allowed the justification of the Nazis, I, which is a scary world. And that's where we always go in ethics is we look at the Nazis as the inherent evil cuz they were, are whatever you want to call it. And Nietzsche gave birth to that. And he said, God is dead. And he was definitely more of the Greek tradition of, if you've got it, flaunt, baby.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And the, these two forces are at war today and it's very, very challenging. The mixed messages, that you'll see, from the media, from everything else, which way you wanna swing. And , it's hard. It's hard to justify back and forth. Like, you know, if you make 10 gajillion dollars, why shouldn't you show off?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I get it. I totally get it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">This is where I'm hoping you'll come back </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:53]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> with something. Well, I don't wanna say anything because you're like, oh, there you go talking again, because, you know, I tend to like, just when a golfer has millions and millions of dollars. Yes. And they're obviously doing some event where they get paid another 700 million from an entity that hurts</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">hurts people. Mm-hmm that is very vindictive and very, violent. Right, right. Mm-hmm do you know what I'm referring to right now? What's happening these days? I think so.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">It's the same thing over and over again. They can justify, well, if I, what, whatever reasons they have for. You already have enough money? Why are you doing this? Why are you obviously playing or working for people that are so obviously against human rights. Right. But they have their own justifications.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And in their own head they can make it okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yep. And we are remarkably adaptable creatures in that regard. We are absolutely remarkable creatures. And I guess </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:03]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> this is where it comes in. People are like, well, this is what makes people resent the very wealthy, because you, your decisions are so highlighted on such an extreme where you can say money is evil.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You see that and you, people don't wanna be successful because they think this is the prime example of the root of evil's money. Right. But I think the root of no money is evil and, and wait, no, wait, did I say that right? Do you know what I'm saying? It, it, wait, I didn't say that. Right. I think </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:39]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> if you have way too much and you don't have any that in both cases, that's not, that's not a good </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:44]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I don't know. I think way too much is fine.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Why is having way too much? Not okay?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:51]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I think it depends on what you choose to do with </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:53]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> it. That's what I'm saying. I think it just magnifies your ethical decisions cuz they're on a bigger scale. Right. You know, we also buy gas for our car. Where does that come from? It comes from the same group of people that are paying all these golfers, like all this money for some one event, you know, mm-hmm , but in our little meager way where we're doing the same thing that the golfers are doing that we're saying, whoa, what, why are you, why are you</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">in business with these people, right? Whereas we are all in business with these people. You can't get away from it, but I can see where the distortion comes in of wanting to just remain poor and remain, not in power because you don't want nothing to do with this, but we're all in it. And so it comes down to do no harm.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Just in your own way, on a daily basis, as much as you can, think, what benefits my fellow human, what benefits my fellow life, the life of all that includes everyone, the plants, everything, the world, because your little decisions are the same as the $700 million decision the golfer is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> making. I totally get it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yeah, absolutely. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:22]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And then, and just think all this talk is pretty much BS. If you have to talk about it, there's something wrong. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:31]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> There you go because you're having your own doubts and you want to talk things through in the same way. When I have a problem at work, I, we call it a rubber, rubber duck syndrome, but you, you talk to maybe a rubber duck, or maybe it's another, a person you're working with and you talk through the problem.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And sometimes that helps you come to a, a conclusion about it or a decision about it. Mm-hmm and a solution. It's just the moral imperatives are a lot trickier and it's a lot harder because yeah, there's so much, so many arguments on both sides. As history, 3000 years has taught us. I mean, there's a lot of people spend a lot of time thinking about this stuff and, you know, you can choose to follow a Kant or, you know, a Kierkegaard, or you can know a Kant.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Kant is, uh, was a philosopher. Yes. Oh my God, honey. And there's a </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> gajillion album. No, I'm just thinking about when I have to transcribe this. K a N T. Thank you for spelling it. Okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:22]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and Kierkegaard. Good luck. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> thanks, honey. Yep. Uh, well, I, I had two of something. You were just, oh, nevermind. It's just too much.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well, okay. Here's what I was gonna say, basically breaking it down, I would say, this applies to all of life. If you have to ask, there's a problem, unless you're a psychopath and none of this, then you better ask. Well, but they don't even do it. You know what I'm saying? I know I'm teasing, but like, for example, remember we would watch that show cheaters.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Oh my God. if you have to, if you have a feeling something's wrong, something is wrong. Right. Just move on, get out. Do you know what I'm saying? Absolutely. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:15]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And well, yeah, I, I used to say, if you get invited on the Jerry Springer, Just disconnect from whoever invited you on the show and just don't even find out something is wrong.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're good. , you're good. You don't really need to know cuz it's gonna be, God knows what </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:27]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and because you do already know there it is. You know, do you know what I'm saying? Yes. And so it's, it's in the same line as saying, if you have to talk about it, if you have to keep justifying something, there's something wrong.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. I was talking to Heather, remember we had Heather on our show. Mm-hmm who, uh, is psychic and I called her about something. Like Heather, I don't know. What do you think? She's like, you already know the answer. If you have to ask me there's something wrong with that, hell. Right, right. Like, and she was telling me, like, people come to me about relationships, which to me relates back to cheaters.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like if you have to ask there's something going on, if everything is great copacetic, there's no asking. There's no talking, you're just living. Right. Right. Absolutely. You're you're enjoying your best life. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:12]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Absolutely. And there you go. And, and to circle back, absolutely to friendship. I would say don't necessarily embrace the Greek don't necessarily embrace the Judeo christian. It's okay to say I'm I'm good. Is it okay to feel that way? But you know, for God's sake, let's, let's do what we can do to help each other.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Boom. Is that it and maintain curiosity and try and free yourself from judgment. I'm gonna work on that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:40]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> one too. Matt, you say that almost every episode maintain your curiosity. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:46]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:46]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> served me well, it has no, it's true. That's one of the things that made me look at you when you would ask me certain questions or you would notice things about me that most people ignore.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">right. You were curious, but you were also educated about it, you were open there was no judgment, it was just pure loving to know this person. And that is such a beautiful quality. And I think that's the key to friendship, right? That's one of the arts right there is using that curiosity for that curiosity, to be allowed to serve as respect and honoring someone or something. And </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> there you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> go. Okay. Well, what do you think, are we good for this, for this table? Talk today? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Any, anything else are we done? I'm good. Thank you. Oh my God. You're good. Thank. Oh, thank God. Okay. you're nice. This whole ethics talk is very hard for me because it just makes me nuts. It's it's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:51]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> simple. Just keeping, yes. You, you would think life is simple, but I think eat your rice. Drink your tea while your </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> clothes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yeah. When we make things complicated, it's like, why there's so much to do? Why are we making things complicated? You know, you're doing wrong, you know, something is wrong. It's wrong. Do something about it. love you guys. We'll talk to you in a few days. Once again, our friendly world podcast.com www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com.</span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[Goethe said "he who cannot draw on 3000 years is living hand to mouth." We explore our history and think about this quote by Goethe as we wrap our ethics series. We explore so much, including Goethe, the four ideals, prosperity, the satisfaction of desires, moral duty, spiritual perfection, Lao Tzu, "Tao te Ching," living simply and honestly, the idea of reciprocity and much more.
 
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[00:00:00] Fawn: Yuhoo hello? Hello? Are 
[00:00:04] Matt: we ready? Oh my goodness. Yes. So here we are. We're back to talk about ethics. Oh my God. Again, um, we're gonna try to wrap it up though, which, which of course, you know, seeing is how we're literally at, uh, one CE or one common era. Ad for you folks who didn't grow up with it. 
There is an awful lot going on. In point of fact, Goethe said "he who cannot draw on 3000 years is living hand to mouth." 
[00:00:32] Fawn: Okay. Goethe man or woman, 
[00:00:35] Matt: man. German man German. He is the man in German, literature. 
[00:00:42] Fawn: I always get a little scared with anything Germans. 
[00:00:46] Matt: He does. What's his background. We certainly need to touch a little bit on NCHE today.
So that's gonna be really 
scary. 
[00:00:51] Fawn: Oh my God. Can we make it a quick one today? We're gonna do what we can do. It's like when you're moving, you're like, okay, we have everything in boxes. And then when it really comes down to it, you're like, oh, wait a minute. There's this piece over here, this piece over there.
And you end up just cramming everything into one final box. Right? And I think that's what we're doing today. 
[00:01:11] Matt: oh my goodness. 
[00:01:12] Fawn: I mean, ethics is a very complicated thing or situation, isn't it? 
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="color:#9900ff;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>ethics and the origins of it, understand ethics, bringing it back to how it is affecting our friendships, how it is affecting our society, and basically ultimately our lives. E<span style="color:#9900ff;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">thics is philosophical and it deals, it concerns itself with conduct in questions of good and evil in right and wrong.</span></span></span> </strong></span></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="color:#9900ff;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>The definition- <span style="color:#9900ff;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">Ethical; derived from the Greek word ethos, which means character, and from the word, Mores, which means customs. Together they combine to define how individuals choose to interact with one another.</span></span></span></strong></span></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="color:#9900ff;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>So let's make things better, create a better world, and try to understand the shenanigans that took place that created the whole basis for ethics.</strong></span></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="color:#9900ff;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>We also explore Greek and Roman influence on us to this day. What do we do with this information? Understanding how we got where we are now and where we are now is the key. There are a lot of weirdness, differences, and change we need to look at.</strong></span></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hello, everybody. Welcome back. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> okay. Guess what? We're gonna continue on talking about ethics. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:06]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh dear </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:06]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> ethics and the origins of it. We're gonna break it down little by little baby steps. Oh my goodness. there is a lot of noise outside. Sorry. It's a hot hot day. We have to have the windows open.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're gonna hear screeching, screeching cars and birds and screeching birds. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:27]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Exactly. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:28]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And as soon as I said that the birds got quiet. Okay. So ethics where it came from. Well, the origins of it, we were starting to little baby steps, little bites, understand ethics, bringing it back to how it is affecting our friendships, how it is affecting our society,...</span></span></p>]]>
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The definition- Ethical; derived from the Greek word ethos, which means character, and from the word, Mores, which means customs. Together they combine to define how individuals choose to interact with one another.
So let's make things better, create a better world, and try to understand the shenanigans that took place that created the whole basis for ethics.
We also explore Greek and Roman influence on us to this day. What do we do with this information? Understanding how we got where we are now and where we are now is the key. There are a lot of weirdness, differences, and change we need to look at.
Ethics 3 TRANSCRIPT
[00:00:00] Fawn: Hello, everybody. Welcome back. 
[00:00:01] Matt: Hello 
[00:00:02] Fawn: okay. Guess what? We're gonna continue on talking about ethics. 
[00:00:06] Matt: Oh dear 
[00:00:06] Fawn: ethics and the origins of it. We're gonna break it down little by little baby steps. Oh my goodness. there is a lot of noise outside. Sorry. It's a hot hot day. We have to have the windows open.
You're gonna hear screeching, screeching cars and birds and screeching birds. 
[00:00:27] Matt: Exactly. 
[00:00:28] Fawn: And as soon as I said that the birds got quiet. Okay. So ethics where it came from. Well, the origins of it, we were starting to little baby steps, little bites, understand ethics, bringing it back to how it is affecting our friendships, how it is affecting our society,...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="color:#9900ff;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>ethics and the origins of it, understand ethics, bringing it back to how it is affecting our friendships, how it is affecting our society, and basically ultimately our lives. E<span style="color:#9900ff;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">thics is philosophical and it deals, it concerns itself with conduct in questions of good and evil in right and wrong.</span></span></span> </strong></span></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="color:#9900ff;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>The definition- <span style="color:#9900ff;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">Ethical; derived from the Greek word ethos, which means character, and from the word, Mores, which means customs. Together they combine to define how individuals choose to interact with one another.</span></span></span></strong></span></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="color:#9900ff;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>So let's make things better, create a better world, and try to understand the shenanigans that took place that created the whole basis for ethics.</strong></span></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="color:#9900ff;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>We also explore Greek and Roman influence on us to this day. What do we do with this information? Understanding how we got where we are now and where we are now is the key. There are a lot of weirdness, differences, and change we need to look at.</strong></span></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>Ethics 3 TRANSCRIPT</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hello, everybody. Welcome back. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> okay. Guess what? We're gonna continue on talking about ethics. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:06]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh dear </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:06]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> ethics and the origins of it. We're gonna break it down little by little baby steps. Oh my goodness. there is a lot of noise outside. Sorry. It's a hot hot day. We have to have the windows open.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're gonna hear screeching, screeching cars and birds and screeching birds. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:27]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Exactly. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:28]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And as soon as I said that the birds got quiet. Okay. So ethics where it came from. Well, the origins of it, we were starting to little baby steps, little bites, understand ethics, bringing it back to how it is affecting our friendships, how it is affecting our society, and basically ultimately our lives. So let's make things better. Let's make it a better world. Let's try to understand the shenanigans that took place that created the whole basis for ethics. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And there you go. Yes. And if you'll remember, ethics is philosophical and it deals, it concerns itself with conduct in questions of good and evil in right and wrong.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And. And these are, these can be very distinct things, but </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:18]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I like the definition I've found, which once again, I'll repeat, Ethical; derived from the Greek word ethos, which means character, and from the later word, Mores, M O R E S, which means customs. Together they combine to define how individuals choose to interact with one another. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And there you go. So, yes. So in the previous episode we talked about boom, come. Yeah. Initially came down from God, whatever God was at the time, boom. Plato started to take us away from that. And then it started to evolve in the early Greek kind of traditions.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So Plato said this has nothing to do with the religion. This is something else, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:57]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right? So if one of the 10 commandments I don't believe is right then it's not right. Mm. You know, cuz there are these universal truths that take us away from God, which then I guess diminishes God on some level.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Good job Plato. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So do you think ethics is really, uh, rooted in religions to keep people in line? So they're really rules made up by man. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You can make these arguments, but you start getting into dangerous ground because when you deal with faith versus the intellect you're dealing with logic versus emotion. And as we've talked about a billion times, emotion always trumps logic. So be very careful. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So wait, which one is emotion? If you have religious based on religion </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> because religious is emotion. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:37]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> E </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:38]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> exactly. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:39]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I thought faith would be emotion. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Faith is religion. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:42]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Faith is not religion to me. Faith is like </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> my own faith is religion to a lot of people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Again, we, we, well, maybe </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> that's because I don't follow a particular religion. Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:53]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So we need to step lively. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> All right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Okay. So, basically, after Plato, we got the Epicuren and Epicureans, as it turns out are not these people who enjoy food as they are now. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> so what were they? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> These were people who pursued pleasure.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">okay. Mm-hmm which sounds an awful lot, like a hedonist, right. Which is like pleasure at all costs. And that's something we'll talk about later, probably. But the Epicuren, they pursued pleasure, but, unfortunately, or fortunately the ultimate form of pleasure to an Epicuren is a tranquility of spirit.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:27]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:28]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and that's what gives them the most. That's what gives somebody the ultimate, theoretically, the ultimate amount of pleasure. It's not having sex for 27 hours or whatever, you know,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:37]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> it's not eating Tiramisu </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:39]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> all day every day. no it, as it turns out. And, and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:43]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> so what is it again? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:44]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> They pursue pleasure. So it's the pursuit of pleasure and the avoidance of pain, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but what is their, um, sense of pleasure again?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">What was it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:51]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> the highest sense is actually the tranquility of spirit, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:55]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> the tranquility of spirit. Yes. Isn't that what we really all need and all want, basically. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. And again, there's other traditions. The Buddhist would talk about that very differently.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> All right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:09]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> But that is what an Epicuren does and also but what also holds to that as well is, it's not about I get ahead at your expense because an Epicuren theoretically, and again, this is all, you know, we don't have an Epicuren in front of us, so we can't talk about it. But, an Epicuren would say that if I can only get ahead by doing something bad to you. I'll dwell on doing something bad to you, which will hinder my tranquility. So again, you know, I am pursuing pleasure and avoiding pain. So in order to avoid pain, if I hurt you, I'm not avoiding it. I'm actually bringing in more pain.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Mm-hmm so it's kind of a weird thing, but yeah, so you have the Epicuren and then you have the stoic and, and stoic is actually one of these terms that still works today. And stoic is a lot like me, a stoic is somebody who can astute or cast aside emotion in favor of logic and reason. And that's the definition today of a stoic.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So they're not really moved by emotional arguments. So a stoic, pursues wisdom and knowledge, and that's what they do. And that is their mode quote, unquote, their mode of ethics, their pursuing, truth basically; what they believe is truth. Most interesting thing about the Stoics back in ancient Greek days is.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They held that all people can do this and yes, they can. Everybody can, pursue wisdom and knowledge. And so guess what? This has interesting ramifications for Greek society because a slave is the equal of a citizen, which is interesting. The stoic are the ones who started giving us this sense of all men are equal mm-hmm , which is a fascinating thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It takes us away from, you know, you're only equal if you're born into the same faith as me, you're only, you know, all men are equal, so that's fascinating are </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:05]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> all humans are equal </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:07]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and there you go. Yes. I know I was using men in that. Yeah. I was using it in the universal term, but you are absolutely right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It is all people </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> human. Yeah. All.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So again, very, very interesting, point of view. And then going back to the Epicuren pursuing pleasure, tranquility, uh, Epicuren gave us now, which is probably the most popular and easily understood version of ethics. they gave us utilitarianism and utilitarianism is greatest good, greatest number. And then we can, now we can start playing ethical dilemma, but it, it's kind of nice having a philosophy like utilitarianism that can be summed up that way. Greatest, good, greatest number, or, you know, you're quantifying the pleasure and the pain, and you're not necessarily avoiding the pain, but you're making sure that that pain number is less than that pleasure number.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:59]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So if that could bring people, I would say men, in this case at war, men, It gives them the freedom in their psyche to say, okay, well, if I killed this many people, it's okay cuz it's for the greater good. Right, exactly. That's terrible. Mm. So that is again, a rule made up by man. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:23]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. You know, you take a look at something like </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> a, and it's a very limited myopic way of thinking about it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm sure there are other ways. Well, yeah, cause it always have to be, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:32]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and indeed there are, but it, this one that way succinctly in a sentence it's hard to, I mean, you can tease it, you can tear it out, but it's easily understood. Not for me. Greatest </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">good. Greatest number. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> No, it's not, that's not so easily understood for me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well, I don't </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:51]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> hence the ethical dilemmas and hence the splitting of hairs. Okay. So, you know, ethical dilemma, number one. So two countries are at war. And in this case it was more than two, but America and Japan were at war. Okay, fine. And the war it's in 1945, America has the atom bomb.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Do we drop it? Do we not drop it? Okay. If we drop it, it is beyond horrific. It is a terrible thing. It's civilians, it's women, it's children. It's millions of people with one bomb. If we don't, it's millions of Americans and Japanese soldiers fighting over every inch of Japan. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:37]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Again, that's a very male kind of archetypal arche, typical mm-hmm male perspective.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">As in that's the only way to resolve the situation. No, there's always another way. So I would say that was evil unethical. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. And again, we get into welcome back to good and evil killing is wrong. Yeah. That's a pretty simple one. Right? Right. That's that's real simple. Killing is evil. If you choose good and evil being the ethical viewpoint and then right and wrong is what is it in the moment we do it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's easy to say killing is wrong. It's it's a little harder to say if we don't do this horrific thing, then this will happen. I E um, but that thought is evil. America will have to invade Japan. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That thought is evil. Yes. And I think that our society has always been, uh, guided by that man perspective of like throwing down the hammer.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I think that's how we have raised children is if you don't do this, this bad thing is gonna happen to you. There are consequences, whereas there's always a way to figure it out without bringing in that idea of, okay, I'm going to punish you and it's gonna hurt, but in the long run, it's good for you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">No, I think there's another way. I think that's an out, it should be an out moded way of thinking and living. And that is why I think there should be a different form of consciousness and a different, a different way to guide society, to have our society be. It doesn't have to be that way. I think we're all lulled into thinking that that is the way, that is the only option we have is to drop the hammer like that in pursuit of something better.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And we're told that to make us feel better, like, okay, we're gonna have to do this in the long run. It will work out for the best. No. It's evil. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:57]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right, right. And exactly. But again, once you start getting into ethics, you deal with these kind of constructed situations and you're offered an a or B choice and life is simple like that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then you can discuss why you make these choices and how they tie to your ethics. You, you, you go into an ethics class. Oh my God. They love talking about Nazis. Cuz Nazis are literally, uh, history is now scapegoat of the ultimate evil. Well, it. It's not a scapegoat. What they did was an absolutely </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:27]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> horrific, that's saying terrible thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You sound like you're empathetic towards the Nazis. And I know you're not. So I don't like the way you just phrase that as a Jewish person, especially that I am. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:39]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And you're in an ethics class. They love throwing the Nazis around </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:42]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and, you know, and we should because we shouldn't forget. And that was it's one of the most current ones aside from Rwanda.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know, like there there's constantly at atrocities mm-hmm that have happened even in ever, even after world war II. Even of course, after the, the Nazis it's, it's always happening. I just wanted to make clear that you don't empathize with Nazis. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:09]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. No, absolutely. Absolutely clear. And again, I didn't like the wording you used.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's a weird world where we yeah. Have to go out for a way to say these things, but anyways, we're in a weird </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:20]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> world right now. We are in a weird world. Things have to be made absolutely clear right. In our communication. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> No, and you're, you're absolutely right. So again, we have now utilitarianism, however, I forgot.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We gotta spin back that place that's near and dear to our heart, which is Nicomachean ethics. Yay. And Nicomachean ethics from Aristotle is teaching us, kind of a moderate path, more than anything else. It's not about ultimate pleasure, ultimate pain. It's about finding a place in the middle.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's about moderation in all things. If you wanted to summon up in acute little pithy sentence, the same way I summed up utilitarianism, I ironically moderation in all ways and all things means actually moderation in moderation. So sometimes you gotta go for it, but not most of the time. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:05]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. I, it's a tough thing to be human.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's not so easy. Right. And, and we make our own rules really because we are free individuals. Mm-hmm no matter what we all have the, uh, the choice. Free will. Right. We have that. We do mm-hmm so, you know, again, we can go back into what is truly bad. What is truly good? We don't know. We don't know, but we do know what hurts another person.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We do know what hurts another living thing. Right. We do know what hurts and what doesn't. And we do </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:39]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> know ultimately what makes us as an individual happy versus makes us unhappy. Which again, starts taking us into, uh, an Epicurean point of view, pursuing pleasure, because I'm going to avoid things that make me feel bad.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. And that's one thing "Days of Our Lives" has taught me, oh, dear. I'm addicted to this soap opera ever since I was a kid, I stayed home from school one day with the flu. And that has sucked me in never since childhood. Now, our kids are sucked into it too, because of me, but looking at a show like a soap opera, like that, you look at all the pain that is caused by the ethical dilemma, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">It is caused by not telling the truth, hiding something. Really, those are the main things. Right. And hurting someone, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> whereas killing someone again, an Epicuren would say, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I, I now I'm, I'm </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> an Epicuren I need to, I need to suck it up. I need to tell somebody because I'm gonna feel worse. Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:40]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> If I don't just, just to avoid all that pain, I'm never going to lie.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I will always communicate and not hurt. Not hurt anybody if I can. But </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:50]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> what if I say, is this a nice hat? And you think it's God awful, ugly. What do you say? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I don't say it's God awful. I'm like good for you. Who cares about my opinion? So what do you think of my hat? What do you care </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> about? My opinion? I'm saying ethical dilemma.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You start splitting things smaller and smaller and smaller. Is it enough to, you know, I don't know. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:10]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Very, very rarely have I said to someone that's ugly. unless I'm mad at you. I'm like, by the way, that is ugly. Does stress make me look fat? No, . But it's it doesn't, uh, suit you perhaps, you know what I'm saying?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm so hurt. You need to tailor it. no, I'm serious. like, if you look at the Kim Kardashians, if you look at the beautiful curvy women, well, Kim is sometimes not curvy, but I don't know if these girls are starving themselves. It's ridiculous. A human, a human woman is curvy. Hello? You're supposed to have breasts and hips.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Hello. But anyway, to, to make you to make yourself look like a pre-pubescent boy as a woman, there is something pedophelic pedaphelicly wrong with that. What is that? It it's just don't get me started. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I didn't get you started on it. And yet here we are. You did you, did. You did. Oh, does this make me look fat?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's all it took. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Sh </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:24]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> she splits off folks. Yes. Because you know, what is that? What is that? That we are so obsessed by curvs. Does it make me look fat? And so for me to answer that question, would I tell you that it's like, no, I wouldn't answer it the way you think I would. but I would say it needs to be tailored.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I'm just saying, when you look at curvy actresses, mm-hmm they look good if they wore off the rack, what you're wearing. They would look not so great. but if they tailor it, which they do, they look phenomenal. Right. I, okay. Okay. Fine. If you wear a t-shirt off the rack. Yeah. It's frumpy. I always wear t-shirts </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> off the rack and that's oh my God.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Oh God. Now I look frumpy </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:10]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> so there you go. That's how I answer that ethical dilemma </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:12]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right there. Fair enough. Okay, so let's continue on. Shall we on our little history lesson? Okay. And unfortunately, now we have to talk about what was once a tiny little sub subsect if you will, of Judaism known as Christianity.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Oh dear. Oh dear O dear O. Dear. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:30]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm biting my lip. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:31]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> There you go. Now again, this was a tiny little fanatical, yeah, almost cult if you will, at one point it was what, because there was only like 12 people involved. 13 people involved, Christians, Christians, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:45]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Christianity. Right, right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:47]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Okay. Now what the Christians gave us.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">cause if you start looking at this historical code of Harabi the 10 commandments, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:58]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> uh, wait, can you go back and explain the The Code of Hammurabi </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> again, this was the initial, how do you spell that? The Code of Hammurabi yeah, well, again, it's a Babylonian word, so I can only spell it the way the English </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> people do. Okay. Can you say it slowly?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:11]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> The Code of Hammurabi okay. Got it. And this was the original kind of laws that were passed down in Babylon way, way, way back when Babylon is of course, Iran, Iraq, um, The Tigris–Euphrates river, or we're talking real early civilization anyways, and then you've got Moses' 10 commandments. And then what the, what the, what this little Christian cults gave us was,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">they give us the freedom of the letter of the law and into its spirit. Cuz all of a sudden it's like, you know, you do right by by JC you're. Okay. and JC of course Jesus Christ. But you do right by him and you're okay. Which is interesting. Uh, it's interesting, but they took us away from the letter of the law to the spirit of the law.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And this is why you know, certainly, as I think perhaps it should be, but it allows for some compassion inside of laws and it, it gives kind of the rise of like the judge who's gonna then, interpret all the circumstances of what it is. I mean, it could be that you're guilty of stealing bread and in exchange or in yeah.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">In the Japanese tradition, you get accused of stealing a smell. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:24]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What?!</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You, this was a famous case. Um, Judge Oooka O O O K a is how it is. It is, uh, somebody brought a trial to him where this guy was living above a fish shop and he would eat his rice when the guy was cooking the fish and he could smell it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So the rice tasted a little better. And so this guy was like, no, you gotta pay me for that. what, and is this for real man? Yeah, this is for real. This is one of those like wisdom of Solomon type stories. So, you know, this is, this is the wise judge, and this is the role of a judge. And he said, you are absolutely right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You should be paid </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:56]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> what? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:58]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And he was like, clink your money. Uh, and he did. And he. That is your payment. The smell of Phish is paid for by the sound of money. Oh, okay. Again, this is what led us. And unfortunately I went with a Japanese example just because it's so poetic. And I like that story so much. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I was gonna say, it's so messed up.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">poetic. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:18]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It, it is poetic and that was the whole point, but again, it allows for a judge to rule on something that says, yes, what you did was wrong, but this is, this is your punishment for it, right. It, it, it's not gonna be, it's gonna be in proportion to the, effrontery of the sin.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. Mm-hmm as it were. So that was interest. So what that brought us to is kind of now this conflict, cuz you've got these Greeks and these Romans cuz the Greek and Roman kind of empires were kind of foremost, I guess in the quote unquote Western world. And you've got Christian ethics kind of butting heads and the Greeks and Romans, they prized independence,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">self-reliance magnanimity. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:03]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Mag, mag </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> magnanimity, which is kind of this grandiose, like I'm going to help you. And I'm going to be because of my wisdom and, you know, whatever and worldly success.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">These are the things they pro they, they prized the most, whereas the Christians. Christians. They, um, they, they prized meekness, obedience, patience, and resignation. Hmm. So a Christian to be humble is best. Whereas a Greek would say, but I'm awesome. I need to recognize my awesomeness. I need to embrace my awesomeness.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. Which isn't, which is a complete difference. Right. And I. Certainly the Western world is still kind of grappling with where we stand between those two things. It also seems </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> very male and female to me, yin yang, like one is soft and one is very ego and like I'm more muscle and I'm better, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> which is ironic.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Cuz uh, yeah, nobody would necessarily accuse Christianity being particularly a feminine. I'm just saying, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> if you forget they're labels, it seems very male. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:11]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Female mm-hmm no, no, no. And I, I have a hard time arguing that, but. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Which is interesting, cuz they've obviously like have transformed into other things.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well, like Christians now are, well, I'm gonna say something terrible. It's it's too much of a blanket statement, but I'm just thinking about the fundamental Christians who are running the country in the United States. It's not very feminine and it's not particularly </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> humble. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:37]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> No is downright egotistical, but that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> is the, the Greek influence on us to this day.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The Greek and Roman influence on us to this day. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I don't know. I think it's just like morphed into some crazy </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:51]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and again. Yes. And we'll talk about that in, in, later in a future </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> ethical episode </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> in later episode, ethical dilemma, but, uh, it, it, I, I did find it, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">uh, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> you know what? We could have a whole podcast, like every day, every week, just on the ethical dilemma, but we're just gonna do a few.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So we have a couple minutes. What else, what else you've got to say?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:13]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> That's most of what I wanna kinda handle inside </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> of this. So what do we do with this information? What do we </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:18]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> do with it? It's it's, it's more about just we're we're trying to understand how we, how we got where we are now and where we are now is, there's a lot of weirdness difference and change.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And it's, it's one of these things and, and it's one of these things actually Christianity went through because, as it turned out, and something they don't necessarily teach is that literally like the initial disciples of JC, they all thought that the end of the world was coming right now. What do you mean right now?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like literally in their lifetimes, in their lifetime, in their lifetimes, which kind of really tweaks. How you behave. It's, it's one of those things, like if you knew you were going to, you only had one day left to live, well, how would you live differently? And that's what they did. Cuz they believed that the world would be ending in 20, within 20 years, 20, 30 years.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Really? Yes. So they gave away everything. What made them think that way? JC said I'm coming for you. I'm coming back for you. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:11]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So they took that as like, Ooh, I'm dead. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:15]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> That is I'm coming for you soon. Ooh. Like I'm coming for you. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:18]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Like I'm coming to get you, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> like before you pass from this world, I will have come for you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But what </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:24]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> does that mean? Like they obviously knew they did something wrong. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:27]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> No, not necessarily because they were gonna be ascending into, you know, Nirvana, heaven, whatever you wanna call it. So, but, but no, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but dictate, like I'm trying to ask you is, do you think they thought, oh. I'm gonna get my butt handed to me or I'm coming for you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm gonna make your life better. I'm coming again to like, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:46]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm gonna make your life better actually. But it also meant that that any suffering you had in this world would be transitory, transient as far as for the rest of eternity. Right? So all of a sudden you have. The, the rich disciples, giving away everything they owned, you had, you know, the poor disciples, embarking on various pilgrimages to spread the word and let everybody know that, stuff was coming down and, and this is what it was.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and it was incredibly selfless </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">in that regard. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So is this, they went through their own. What's the Marie Kondo. What's what's that woman's name? Oh </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:22]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> God. Does it bring you joy? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> They Marie Kondoed everything well. Yeah, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:28]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> because whatever, I don't know. I'm sure that the poor people around them were very appreciative of all the, all the stuff, all the food, all the, everything else they got.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And, and that leads us into, you know, you'll see a lot of selflessness in more, as you get more and more quote, unquote, fundamental Christian, it is stripped down, bare bones, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Christian, is it truly selflessness or are they just trying to do it because they're trying to get to a better place. And there </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:53]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> you go.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well, in this case, the better place was coming regardless of what they did. So like, well, why not do with the good </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> or like, maybe they were like, I just need to unload my stuff. but we're moving. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:06]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Uh, I got too many books in the bookcase. We gotta get rid of </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> some, are you putting stuff out on the curb saying for free, not out of the kindness of your heart, but because you gotta, cause you don't wanna </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:14]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> move it junk.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">nice. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:19]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Anyway, how does this come back to friendship? I'm a little bit lost right now. I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:23]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> know. Hopefully it'll all come together before it's all over. I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:28]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> mean, this is why I don't like these conversations because it just doesn't make me feel hopeful about humanity. It doesn't, it scares me. I don't like these ethical conversations, but I think it is important to discuss mm-hmm because in.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Allows for truth to come out. Like when we first met, we would go out for coffee and talk about the ethical dilemma. Yes. And I would say, I would never. And you're like, yeah, you would. And then you would break it down. I'm like, oh crap. Maybe I would, well, yeah, maybe I would do the unethical thing. I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> remember it was always like, I would impose for Playboy for a million dollars.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's like mm-hmm yeah. Yep. I know your price. Tag's a lot lower than that. When the rubber hits the road. Oh my God. When somebody's got the green backs in front of you, but </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:12]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> it's good to. That it's good to know for your own spirit. What you would, you, you are capable of anything. You never know. You have to put yourself in other, uh, people's shoes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You have to be empathetic. Yes, very much. So when, when someone else, when a friend out there does something wrong or UN unethical mm-hmm when you have that unethical friend, you can understand it better. You can't judge because guaranteed you'll probably be in a similar situation at some. And then that feeling is terrible, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like, oh God, I'm here. I am. Right. But once you understand that, then I think we're able to make better decisions based on the unethical friends. Yes. Right. Anyway. And that's the whole point is to understand each other. And so therefore we're going through this minutia of what is ethical and what is not ethical and who knows and who made up these rules?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's all about really following love, but it gets more complicated, always when money comes into it and food comes into it and everything else that is wrapped up in society. And so that's why we're talking about this. That's why the art of friendship is so good to remember because once we remember the art of friendship, we know that, Hey, we're not in it alone.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's not so black and white. There is always another option. There is always a way to figure something out and there's always a way to proceed with kindness and friendliness to achieve something for the greater good. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:46]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. Right. And of course the other part, other kind of key point for me is, you know, you never know what somebody's going through and you never know how your words will affect them for good and for bad.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So for, for the love of whatever, Leave people with good feelings and not bad ones for </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> the sake of love. Yeah. And you know, it happens. I mean, it's happening right now. There are friendships breaking. There are governments break, everything is breaking down, but it's a wonderful opportunity to begin anew and to think about truly other possibilities instead of the possibilities, instead of the ways we've done things before let's figure out</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">a whole other possibility, whole other solution. So with that in mind, keep that in mind and we'll talk to you in a few days. Please go to our friendly world podcast.com WW dot www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com. Please click on contact, reach out to me. That's my email and let us know. Do you wanna come on our show?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Would you like to talk about </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> this? Am I wrong? We're all wrong. We're all right. Call me out. It's all good. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. All is well. We love you so much. Take care. Be </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:07]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> well.</span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[ethics and the origins of it, understand ethics, bringing it back to how it is affecting our friendships, how it is affecting our society, and basically ultimately our lives. Ethics is philosophical and it deals, it concerns itself with conduct in questions of good and evil in right and wrong. 
The definition- Ethical; derived from the Greek word ethos, which means character, and from the word, Mores, which means customs. Together they combine to define how individuals choose to interact with one another.
So let's make things better, create a better world, and try to understand the shenanigans that took place that created the whole basis for ethics.
We also explore Greek and Roman influence on us to this day. What do we do with this information? Understanding how we got where we are now and where we are now is the key. There are a lot of weirdness, differences, and change we need to look at.
Ethics 3 TRANSCRIPT
[00:00:00] Fawn: Hello, everybody. Welcome back. 
[00:00:01] Matt: Hello 
[00:00:02] Fawn: okay. Guess what? We're gonna continue on talking about ethics. 
[00:00:06] Matt: Oh dear 
[00:00:06] Fawn: ethics and the origins of it. We're gonna break it down little by little baby steps. Oh my goodness. there is a lot of noise outside. Sorry. It's a hot hot day. We have to have the windows open.
You're gonna hear screeching, screeching cars and birds and screeching birds. 
[00:00:27] Matt: Exactly. 
[00:00:28] Fawn: And as soon as I said that the birds got quiet. Okay. So ethics where it came from. Well, the origins of it, we were starting to little baby steps, little bites, understand ethics, bringing it back to how it is affecting our friendships, how it is affecting our society,...]]>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">Ethics is that weird branch of philosophy that concerns itself with conduct and questions of good and evil and right and wrong. And those four words good and evil, and right and wrong sound like they should be like, oh yes, good is right. And evil is wrong, but there are always shades of gray in between. You can do an evil act in the cause of right. You can do a good act in the cause of wrong. Welcome to the weird world of ethics and how it touches our friendships.</span></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">This episode explores how we can help each other, and how remembering the art of friendship can help you in the midst of the turmoil of ethics, evil, and kindness. </span></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">How can you prevail with kindness and not have anything else come into your circle? And just have it be a kind happy world.</span></strong></span></span></p>
<p>Ethics 2 TRANSCRIPT</p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Welcome back everybody. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> hi, good morning. And good evening. Good afternoon. Good all. Good all. All is well. All is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">well. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:12]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So we gonna put our, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:13]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> no matter what,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:14]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> we're gonna put our college caps on today and talk about ethics. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">we started a, we started a thing actually. We're letting you in on really the conversations we have in our kitchen, or when we go out for coffee.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Inevitably. It always turns into <strong>the ethical dilemma.</strong> </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I love, I love the game ethical dilemma, because very scary. You can split the hair and all of a sudden somebody's gonna do something god awful. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:41]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And it makes me when we play ethical dilemma, it makes me wanna flip the table over. I don't like it. I feel very depressed, but it's very interesting and it's very important to, get yourself thi...</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Ethics is that weird branch of philosophy that concerns itself with conduct and questions of good and evil and right and wrong. And those four words good and evil, and right and wrong sound like they should be like, oh yes, good is right. And evil is wrong, but there are always shades of gray in between. You can do an evil act in the cause of right. You can do a good act in the cause of wrong. Welcome to the weird world of ethics and how it touches our friendships.
This episode explores how we can help each other, and how remembering the art of friendship can help you in the midst of the turmoil of ethics, evil, and kindness. 
How can you prevail with kindness and not have anything else come into your circle? And just have it be a kind happy world.
Ethics 2 TRANSCRIPT
[00:00:00] Fawn: Welcome back everybody. 
[00:00:01] Matt: Hello
[00:00:02] Fawn: hi, good morning. And good evening. Good afternoon. Good all. Good all. All is well. All is 
well. 
[00:00:12] Matt: So we gonna put our, 
[00:00:13] Fawn: no matter what,
[00:00:14] Matt: we're gonna put our college caps on today and talk about ethics. 
[00:00:16] Fawn: Yeah, 
we started a, we started a thing actually. We're letting you in on really the conversations we have in our kitchen, or when we go out for coffee.
Inevitably. It always turns into the ethical dilemma. 
[00:00:33] Matt: I love, I love the game ethical dilemma, because very scary. You can split the hair and all of a sudden somebody's gonna do something god awful. 
[00:00:41] Fawn: And it makes me when we play ethical dilemma, it makes me wanna flip the table over. I don't like it. I feel very depressed, but it's very interesting and it's very important to, get yourself thi...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">Ethics is that weird branch of philosophy that concerns itself with conduct and questions of good and evil and right and wrong. And those four words good and evil, and right and wrong sound like they should be like, oh yes, good is right. And evil is wrong, but there are always shades of gray in between. You can do an evil act in the cause of right. You can do a good act in the cause of wrong. Welcome to the weird world of ethics and how it touches our friendships.</span></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">This episode explores how we can help each other, and how remembering the art of friendship can help you in the midst of the turmoil of ethics, evil, and kindness. </span></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">How can you prevail with kindness and not have anything else come into your circle? And just have it be a kind happy world.</span></strong></span></span></p>
<p>Ethics 2 TRANSCRIPT</p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Welcome back everybody. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> hi, good morning. And good evening. Good afternoon. Good all. Good all. All is well. All is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">well. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:12]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So we gonna put our, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:13]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> no matter what,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:14]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> we're gonna put our college caps on today and talk about ethics. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">we started a, we started a thing actually. We're letting you in on really the conversations we have in our kitchen, or when we go out for coffee.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Inevitably. It always turns into <strong>the ethical dilemma.</strong> </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I love, I love the game ethical dilemma, because very scary. You can split the hair and all of a sudden somebody's gonna do something god awful. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:41]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And it makes me when we play ethical dilemma, it makes me wanna flip the table over. I don't like it. I feel very depressed, but it's very interesting and it's very important to, get yourself thinking in, in a way it allows you to step into someone else's shoes. Yes. So we did a couple episodes very briefly on ethics and we want to do a whole series. You actually studied ethics. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:07]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I took a class in ethics in college, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> not a class, but like a whole semester. Like you studied ethics, right? Well, yes. So we talked about how I looked up the word ethical and it was, we learned it was derived from the Greek word ethos, which means character.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And it also comes from the Latin ward, Mores M O R E S, which basically means customs. And interestingly enough, when you put those together, they combine to define how individuals choose to interact with one another. So very in sync with our our friendly world here. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:48]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And let's not forget about, uh, where we draw our inspiration for friendship from, and that's, Aristotles, everything is Greek Nicomachean Ethics Greece.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But anyways, yes, ethics is that weird branch of philosophy that concerns itself with conduct and questions of good and evil and right and wrong. And those four words good and evil, and right and wrong sound like they should be like, oh yes, good is right. And evil is wrong, but there's always shades of gray in between.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:20]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Always. Yeah. There's no good. There's no bad. First of all. So how do you maneuver? I don't know about that. Well, we talked about this. Is it good? I don't know. Is it bad? I don't know. You never know. You never know how the road, where it takes you. You don't </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:38]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> know. Well, see, you're you're, you're talking about good and.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're not talking about good and evil, is it evil or good? Oh, different. And, and that's the difference. It, you can do an evil act in the cause of right. You can do a good act in the cause of wrong. Gotcha. Welcome to the weird world of ethics. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right. So what's considered evil?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:59]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Exactly. That's and what is considered evil and actually, uh, and we're gonna be talking about this strictly, sadly on many levels from kind of a Western, perspective, because it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's it's well defined and it's well understood. So it makes it easier. And that's certainly what I studied was the Western tradition. So we're gonna stay away sadly, unfortunately, from all the other </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">traditions</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:21]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> today, today, maybe we'll get into that later </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:23]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and it is possible. Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:24]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah, we should, we should totally get into it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It's less familiar. So it's, it's very tricky. That's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:29]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> what, that's why we need to bring expert friends to talk about those aspects truth. But I'm curious when you started. You don't, I guess you don't remember cuz it was a while ago, but I often wonder what the very first class was like, if you had a great professor, was it a good professor?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It was </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:44]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> a good professor and I'm sure not see professor professors. It was a La Maestra actually it was a female, uh, professor. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:53]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh, fantastic. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:54]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> But anyways, yes. And, and this was in, in Santa Cruz and of course this was in hippy dippy, Santa </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Cruz, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:59]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> hippie college hippie university. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:02]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> But anyways, from a historical perspective, you can almost see the beginnings of ethics coming, being basically laid down by God.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Told please. No, I'm serious. No, this is the interpretation of the, The Code of Hammurabi, was passed down by, uh, Babylonian God, the 10 commandments were passed down by God, in the old Testament to Moses. And there's even a legend that has Zeus giving. Um, Basically something similar to, uh, a code of conduct, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> a code of con to the Greeks, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So are they pretty much the same? Like the 10 commandments and all these other things. Everybody </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> says The Code of Hammurabi and the 10 commandments are almost carbon copies of each other. I'm not gonna get into that, but </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> which is older? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:48]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Uh, Code of Hammurabi </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> really? Yes. Older than Moses. Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:52]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Wow. Well, think about what, think about it, Moses.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">God. Okay. So you had the Egyptian empire that had enslaved the Jews mm-hmm and Moses led them away. Babylon. Around Iraq was around a lot, a lot older than that. I believe so. Yes. Um, and actually, yeah, and that takes us into folklore a whole bunch of other fun things, but I don't, I don't wanna go there either.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">But what's interesting is, this code of ethics kind of supersedes everything, because it's passed down by God. How do you argue with God? That's very painful. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:26]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I argue with </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">God all the time. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:27]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, hold on. And then later on, getting into, yes, indeed the ancient Greek tradition. I know, I know. I said Zeus passed down a code of ethics as well but you have Plato coming in and saying, uh, he actually started really challenging that. And he talked about, there is a transcendent good and evil that is separated from religion. And so </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> what does that mean? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:49]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, he's saying that certain things are good and certain things are, are, are evil. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:53]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Like what do you know?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Um, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">when is evil? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:58]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Exactly stealing stealings. Stealing's a real easy one. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So all artists who are like you go through that book, everyone's reading steal, like an artist mm-hmm like, that's what artists should do. That's evil? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:12]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. Although I think they were talking not so much stealing ideas, but stealing like physical things.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So steal has gotten, uh, maybe a bigger context, but when </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:24]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> we played ethical dilemma, we got into stealing and you said, well, to feed a family, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:29]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it's still, it's still evil. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It's still evil. It's still evil to, to save someone's life. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I mean, do I pick your terms and definitions here? Good and evil right and wrong.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And these are distinct words. Is it right to steal, to feed my family? If that's the only way I can make that happen, it is right. But it's also evil. Now you can choose the other, other set of words and you can say it's good to steal, to feel my family, but it is wrong because of course it's against law, et cetera, et cetera, cetera.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But it's also one of these transcendent good and evil things according to Plato. And then people started to get people started to get twisted and try and figure out where things come from and they try and understand kind of a pre societal man, where did ethics really come from? And the only way we can look at, uh, not prehistoric, but even pre pre prehistoric is to look at animals and how animals choose to arrange themselves.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:27]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, I know animals don't kill for fun and people kill for fun. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:31]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So that's very interesting. Right? And you're also, you also look at things like, um, baboons, like the strong male baboons will protect the weaker women and children when they're fleeing from an enemy. There have been documented cases of dolphins.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If dolphin a is sick, dolphin B will swim underneath him and push him up to the surface so he can breathe. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:56]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Mm. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:57]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> you've also got again and, you know, we're dealing with what are considered the more intelligent animals, because then they, they, they tend to arrange themselves in societies. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:07]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> All animals are intelligent.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">All life is intelligent. If we </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> take a look at an ant colony, it's not the same. It </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:13]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> is They are supremely intelligent. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:15]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes, ma but you have a queen who bosses around </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> everybody. That's the way it should be enough with the patriarchy anyway, with the bees. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The ants, the bees, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I was gonna get to my next point about the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:27]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> get things.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:27]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Okay. Go on about the monkeys, where like they will, you know, they'll help each other out by like picking out parasites, you know, like, you know, right. Groom me and I'll groom you. And they've actually studied and they've determined that, selfishness generally gets punished in these, societies. And so everybody's working for the good of every.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And another thing they've determined is typically the typical behavior. And, and I think the dolphin is a very atypical behavior by the way, as far as this goes, but a very typical behavior is, the amount of effort that it requires to help somebody out versus the reward you get when they do a solid for you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know, it's, it's either proportional or it's heavily weighed in the favor of you get so much more than you give. Because you're just spending five minutes picking parasites outta somebody who cares, but by the same token, when they do that for you, it's like, oh my God, I don't have these parasites leeching my blood, et cetera, cetera, et cetera.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So it's, it becomes, a very limited, a very small kind of engagement for a big reward. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right? Well, it's always the small things that make such a big difference. Someone can just give you a smile. Mm-hmm that will completely soothe you. Someone could just utter a sound when you're telling them something that happened that is troubling you, that you're trying to figure out one sound from that person can be a healing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yes. And it's enough for you for whatever happened to you to be deleted out of your spirit. Right? Right. Absolutely. But, and it also works the other way around, right? One, one evil glare, one evil word, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:07]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> mess you up </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> forever. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:09]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Possibly possibly. Yes. So then continuing down the thought of, again, keeping it strictly into an animal world and trying to figure out where our ethics come from, then they also noted kin bias, which means that I'm going to sacrifice myself for my children.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like the jelly </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> fish. Was it the jellyfish? Well, I think it's no, the octopus. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:28]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I think it's a lot of animals will protect their, their offspring in order. Uh, even if it means like bad </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> stuff for them. But remember we saw that movie about the octopus, my friend, the octopus, what was it called? It was like "My Teacher the Octopus", my teacher.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It was an Oscar winner. And it was about, he, he, he just followed this octopus around the lifespan and he noted. The society worked and how the friendship worked. And when the octopus finally got to a stage of having children, what the octopus goes through, basically when you do, you, you give all of your life force mm-hmm to your, your children, right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And the octopus dies. Right. Sorry to, to ruin the movie for you, but it's like total selfess behavior. Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:22]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> But in as much as man is the social animal and man is, oh, the only animal that uses tools, which of course is a fallacy, such </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:29]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> a fallacy it's so stupid. But anyways, to say men </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:32]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> in taking a look at, um, you know, how we, how kind of build ourselves together as a society, because ethics is basically, it's almost like you can see ethics on some level is this is how we can all live together.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">These are the rules. These are the common rules that we're all going to adopt so that we can all live together and prosper as a group. So </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:55]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Matt are ethics, manmade rules, or is it like a spiritual </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:00]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> rule? And that's just, it Plato believed they were transcended. So it was, and it was not divine. It was not part of a religion.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It was a something else. It was a universal truth. Whereas you would've asked Moses and Moses would say it it's divine. It comes from God. So yeah, that's the fun </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:21]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> part. Right? So what's the difference between what Plato said and what Moses would say </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Plato divorced himself from, from religion. I like that. You know, I like that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">All of a sudden now you don't have an interpreter. You don't have a, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> a middle man, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> a wise man, a,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:37]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> a middle man,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:38]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> a pastor, a, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:39]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> a middle man, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:40]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Imam, a anything else? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:41]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Middle man</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> interpreting what is good and evil. Thank </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:43]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> you. That's what I was saying in a previous episode is like enough with these voices, you know, in your heart, you have all that information.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right? So explain to me again, what Plato said. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:54]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Plato believed that, good and evil transcends everything that they're universal. True. There, there is universal actions that are good and universal actions that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:03]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> are, that are evil. And how, how did he come to the point of saying, okay, well, this is how you figure out what is evil, what is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> okay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well, I don't think that he necessarily came to a good point, cuz he just put out that statement. He put out that statement and he put out and dropped the mic, his beliefs because let's not forget in ancient Greece. there was a lot of slavery going on. There was a lot of subjugation of women. There was a lot of, there was a lot of, a lot of what's.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">He was, he was merely saying that there are universal mm-hmm truths. Mm-hmm you know, and he, and he was, he, you know, defined some, but, you know, he, uh, I think a lot of his thoughts would, we would consider them just ridiculous now, you know, that's all. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, all right. Can you give me an example, an example of, I don't know, like the whole evil thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It, it can, I mean, you can be a lawyer about it and break it down. I think the act of evil, I think there's only one act of evil. No, maybe there's two. I think if, if you hurt someone else's life, it is evil. Especially when, you know, it's hurting that person. That is evil. You can unconsciously do something and it's still an evil act, but once you become aware of it and you still do it, if the person tells you, or if you hear that this is hurting someone's life force mm-hmm , I think that's evil.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:39]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So back to the stealing bread example, The only way you can feed your family is to steal bread. The baker will be adversely affected by you stealing the bread. He will make less money. He will be less able to provide for his family. Is the action good or evil? Aha. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:59]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Ethical dilemma. Well, what if you ask the baker for help </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and what if he says I can't do it because screw you</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:06]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> it's evil.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:08]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> The baker is acting evil. Sure. But if you try </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">your best, but the baker says, you know, I, I, I'm sorry, I can't help you. I can't hire you. I can't give you bread because I need all this just for my family. And, and, and that happens to be a true statement. Cuz that's one of those things you can't necessarily identify in the moment.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:29]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I think there's always a way I think if you seek it, there's always a way to help and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> that's the kind heart and that's, and that's your kind empathic heart. Sometimes there isn't. You know, that's the whole point of ethical dilemma is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:44]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> getting that point of, but that's when you turn to friends, that's by friends.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I mean, other people that can be friendly. that's when the baker can say, look, everybody, I need </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> some help. Yes. But that takes us away. We're no, we're no longer talking about </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:59]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> ethics. Now. It is a, it is about ethics. I'm just saying that instead of saying no and hurting the other person, you're hurting the life force of the person who is starving, what the baker can do is look okay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Um, I'm not able. To maybe give this bread. Maybe he, he can't, maybe he truly cannot, but he can turn to other people like in Italy, there's that you buy two cups of coffee if you're buying one for someone who needs it, who doesn't have the money, do you know what I'm saying? You turn to friendship, you turn to the village and you come together and you can always make something work together.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:39]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> That is true. But. The rest of society's unwilling to do that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:43]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's evil. Ah, okay. Then, because they're not willing to, I think you can, because we all have different expertise. If it's not bread, someone can say, you know what? I know how to, um, find seeds and plants from the forest that will feed you. And it's better than having carbs.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There you go. do you know what I'm saying? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:07]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> No, and trust me, I completely get it. And you're in the process now of defining your own school of </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:12]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> ethics. Well, yeah, my own school of ethics is our friendly world. And I'm saying, Hey, this is what I think is happening. I think this is one way to look at it is if we come together, we can help each other out.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that's the art of friendship. You're not in it by yourself. The baker is not alone. You're baking for a village there there's guaranteed someone who can figure something. Or together we can figure something out to help the ones that have no food. Just </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> like yes. Just like the baboons. Absolutely. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So let's, let's ethics is a huge deal.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It is. So let's just stop it here </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:54]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> for today. Let's stop it here. We will be talking more about stoic and Epicuren and. The, the Christian philosophies and, and we'll, we'll, we'll circle back certainly then to back to the Nicomachean why </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> is it always the Christian? What, you know, we definitely need to get all the other beliefs and traditions involved once we're done talking.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're your perspective as a, are you a wasp? What are </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> you white? Anglo-Saxon Protestant? Yes. Is that where you're </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:24]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I suppose. Oh my goodness. Okay. You know what I'm saying, though? We definitely should get the whole picture eventually as time goes on. But for today, let's talk about how we can help each other, how remembering the art of friendship can help you in the midst of the turmoil of ethics, evil and kindness.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">How can you prevail with the kindness and not have anything else come into your circle? And just have it be a kind happy world. All right. Yes, boss. All right, love you guys. Thank you for listening. Go to our friendly world podcast.com. Reach out to us. Give us your thoughts. If you wanna come on our show, let us know.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">All right. Just go to the contact button. It'll emails me differently. We'll talk to you soon. We love you so much. Take care. Be well.</span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[Ethics is that weird branch of philosophy that concerns itself with conduct and questions of good and evil and right and wrong. And those four words good and evil, and right and wrong sound like they should be like, oh yes, good is right. And evil is wrong, but there are always shades of gray in between. You can do an evil act in the cause of right. You can do a good act in the cause of wrong. Welcome to the weird world of ethics and how it touches our friendships.
This episode explores how we can help each other, and how remembering the art of friendship can help you in the midst of the turmoil of ethics, evil, and kindness. 
How can you prevail with kindness and not have anything else come into your circle? And just have it be a kind happy world.
Ethics 2 TRANSCRIPT
[00:00:00] Fawn: Welcome back everybody. 
[00:00:01] Matt: Hello
[00:00:02] Fawn: hi, good morning. And good evening. Good afternoon. Good all. Good all. All is well. All is 
well. 
[00:00:12] Matt: So we gonna put our, 
[00:00:13] Fawn: no matter what,
[00:00:14] Matt: we're gonna put our college caps on today and talk about ethics. 
[00:00:16] Fawn: Yeah, 
we started a, we started a thing actually. We're letting you in on really the conversations we have in our kitchen, or when we go out for coffee.
Inevitably. It always turns into the ethical dilemma. 
[00:00:33] Matt: I love, I love the game ethical dilemma, because very scary. You can split the hair and all of a sudden somebody's gonna do something god awful. 
[00:00:41] Fawn: And it makes me when we play ethical dilemma, it makes me wanna flip the table over. I don't like it. I feel very depressed, but it's very interesting and it's very important to, get yourself thi...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The Ethical Dilemma]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2022 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>In philosophy, ethical dilemmas, also called ethical paradoxes or moral dilemmas, are situations in which an agent stands under two conflicting moral requirements, none of which overrides the other. A closely related definition characterizes ethical dilemmas as situations in which every available choice is wrong.</p>
<p>We explore ethics and friendship and how ethics have shaped our society.</p>
<p><strong>Connect with Fawn and Matt:</strong><br />Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/befriendlyworld/<br />Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/FriendlyWorldPodcast<br />Twitter: https://twitter.com/FriendleeBe<br />LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fawn-anderson-5139431a6/<br />Website: https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/<br /><br /><br />Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating here: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1529286185?mt=2&amp;ls=1">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1529286185?mt=2&amp;ls=1</a></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In philosophy, ethical dilemmas, also called ethical paradoxes or moral dilemmas, are situations in which an agent stands under two conflicting moral requirements, none of which overrides the other. A closely related definition characterizes ethical dilemmas as situations in which every available choice is wrong.
We explore ethics and friendship and how ethics have shaped our society.
Connect with Fawn and Matt:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/befriendlyworld/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/FriendlyWorldPodcastTwitter: https://twitter.com/FriendleeBeLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fawn-anderson-5139431a6/Website: https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1529286185?mt=2&ls=1]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The Ethical Dilemma]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>In philosophy, ethical dilemmas, also called ethical paradoxes or moral dilemmas, are situations in which an agent stands under two conflicting moral requirements, none of which overrides the other. A closely related definition characterizes ethical dilemmas as situations in which every available choice is wrong.</p>
<p>We explore ethics and friendship and how ethics have shaped our society.</p>
<p><strong>Connect with Fawn and Matt:</strong><br />Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/befriendlyworld/<br />Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/FriendlyWorldPodcast<br />Twitter: https://twitter.com/FriendleeBe<br />LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fawn-anderson-5139431a6/<br />Website: https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/<br /><br /><br />Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating here: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1529286185?mt=2&amp;ls=1">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1529286185?mt=2&amp;ls=1</a></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[In philosophy, ethical dilemmas, also called ethical paradoxes or moral dilemmas, are situations in which an agent stands under two conflicting moral requirements, none of which overrides the other. A closely related definition characterizes ethical dilemmas as situations in which every available choice is wrong.
We explore ethics and friendship and how ethics have shaped our society.
Connect with Fawn and Matt:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/befriendlyworld/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/FriendlyWorldPodcastTwitter: https://twitter.com/FriendleeBeLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fawn-anderson-5139431a6/Website: https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1529286185?mt=2&ls=1]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The True Meaning of 'Martyr' and how it Affects Our Relationships]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2022 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;"><strong>Fawn and Matt get into the etymology of the word MARTYR and figure out what it means within our various relationships within our culture and society.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;"><strong>Martyr the original sense of it, which means feeling torn between two conflicting impulses. We explore that sense of conflict within our relationships: work friend vs your own private life friend.<br /><br />Can you truly be friends with someone that you work with within a total corporate environment? For example, another example of that without being corporate would be, that most cops are not friends with normal citizens.<br /><br /> And then now that we have the world in so much upheaval, we have politics coming into it. Can we be friends with someone who is so politically agitated or so politically distraught or not even distraught, but just so political, as opposed to back in the day, we used just to be friends with everyone.<br /><br />There is the religious friend as opposed to the friend who is not of a particular religion. because there's that division and it very much centers around core beliefs.<br /><br /> Another conflicting impulse would be people of the opposite sex. Can men and women truly be friends? And what if you're not of a particular identity? What if you're in a relationship as opposed to being single? Can people who are single truly be friends with someone who is in a committed relationship or a marriage? <br /><br />Can people who have children truly be friends completely with people who don't have children? When we became parents, this was such <br /><br /> When you're dealing with such polarized sensitivities in our culture, right now, it is an issue. It is an issue because people have different sensibilities for different situations and you can't always gel, especially when the world seems like everything is a trigger. At the root of feeling and being a martyr is the feeling of being torn between two conflicting impulses. What's the whole idea of a martyr and how are we being martyrs these days within our relationships, within our society? How can we transform out of this state?<br /></strong></span></span><br /><br /></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>Transcript - Martyr</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Welcome back. Are you guys there? Hello? Hello. Happy every day, no matter what's going on in the world, guys,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:08]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> are we recording</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> faith? We are recording now. Hi everybody. Welcome. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:12]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:13]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Welcome. Welcome. Welcome back. Good every day, no matter what, let's keep the faith. Um, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> interesting choice </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">o...</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn and Matt get into the etymology of the word MARTYR and figure out what it means within our various relationships within our culture and society.
Martyr the original sense of it, which means feeling torn between two conflicting impulses. We explore that sense of conflict within our relationships: work friend vs your own private life friend.Can you truly be friends with someone that you work with within a total corporate environment? For example, another example of that without being corporate would be, that most cops are not friends with normal citizens. And then now that we have the world in so much upheaval, we have politics coming into it. Can we be friends with someone who is so politically agitated or so politically distraught or not even distraught, but just so political, as opposed to back in the day, we used just to be friends with everyone.There is the religious friend as opposed to the friend who is not of a particular religion. because there's that division and it very much centers around core beliefs. Another conflicting impulse would be people of the opposite sex. Can men and women truly be friends? And what if you're not of a particular identity? What if you're in a relationship as opposed to being single? Can people who are single truly be friends with someone who is in a committed relationship or a marriage? Can people who have children truly be friends completely with people who don't have children? When we became parents, this was such  When you're dealing with such polarized sensitivities in our culture, right now, it is an issue. It is an issue because people have different sensibilities for different situations and you can't always gel, especially when the world seems like everything is a trigger. At the root of feeling and being a martyr is the feeling of being torn between two conflicting impulses. What's the whole idea of a martyr and how are we being martyrs these days within our relationships, within our society? How can we transform out of this state?
Transcript - Martyr
[00:00:00] Fawn: Welcome back. Are you guys there? Hello? Hello. Happy every day, no matter what's going on in the world, guys,
[00:00:08] Matt: are we recording
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;"><strong>Fawn and Matt get into the etymology of the word MARTYR and figure out what it means within our various relationships within our culture and society.</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:medium;"><strong>Martyr the original sense of it, which means feeling torn between two conflicting impulses. We explore that sense of conflict within our relationships: work friend vs your own private life friend.<br /><br />Can you truly be friends with someone that you work with within a total corporate environment? For example, another example of that without being corporate would be, that most cops are not friends with normal citizens.<br /><br /> And then now that we have the world in so much upheaval, we have politics coming into it. Can we be friends with someone who is so politically agitated or so politically distraught or not even distraught, but just so political, as opposed to back in the day, we used just to be friends with everyone.<br /><br />There is the religious friend as opposed to the friend who is not of a particular religion. because there's that division and it very much centers around core beliefs.<br /><br /> Another conflicting impulse would be people of the opposite sex. Can men and women truly be friends? And what if you're not of a particular identity? What if you're in a relationship as opposed to being single? Can people who are single truly be friends with someone who is in a committed relationship or a marriage? <br /><br />Can people who have children truly be friends completely with people who don't have children? When we became parents, this was such <br /><br /> When you're dealing with such polarized sensitivities in our culture, right now, it is an issue. It is an issue because people have different sensibilities for different situations and you can't always gel, especially when the world seems like everything is a trigger. At the root of feeling and being a martyr is the feeling of being torn between two conflicting impulses. What's the whole idea of a martyr and how are we being martyrs these days within our relationships, within our society? How can we transform out of this state?<br /></strong></span></span><br /><br /></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Welcome back. Are you guys there? Hello? Hello. Happy every day, no matter what's going on in the world, guys,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:08]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> are we recording</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> faith? We are recording now. Hi everybody. Welcome. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:12]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:13]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Welcome. Welcome. Welcome back. Good every day, no matter what, let's keep the faith. Um, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> interesting choice </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">of words, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I guess. So.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Oh. Matt and I were fighting again, you know, we always fight, we get into tifs. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:31]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> What?! </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Don't look so shocked as in like, we never fight</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:34]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm sweetness and light</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> mm-hmm anyway. And I was so mad at you. this happened a few times with a few fights. I said, don't be such a martyr. I'm like, and as I was saying it, I realized I really don't even know what that means really but it just felt good to say.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And, um, and then oddly enough, I was Sitting in the academy, I'm in this academy for children's picture book authors, and the word martyr came up. I'm like, here we go</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> for children's books?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Uh, we talk about everything. Yeah. Like we have the deepest, most rich conversations about stories in general and communication.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's really fascinating. And there's a reason why I'm completely addicted to children's picture books is because they are so deep. You can have hour long, many hours, long conversations about a picture book that is 32 pages meant for a toddler , but, uh, they're really deep. So anyway, then I looked it up myself because as we were talking about the word martyr, our teacher said martyr doesn't mean what you think it means.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And she told us the meaning. So here we go. She told us the meaning, which is martyr actually means witness. And then I looked further into it. I'm like, oh really? Cause I mean, that was just a few second thing of our hour long talk mm-hmm but I got stuck on that word. Right. And so I looked it up myself.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Martyr is an ancient Greek legal term of witness. For someone who gives testimony or evidence in a court of law, that's a martyr. So it originally comes from way back in the face of Roman persecutions of early Christians in the first three centuries of the common era when Christians believers were put on trial, For refusing to participate in their state religious activities, which were regarded as a civic duty, that was forced on all Roman citizens.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Then the word changed after that and had a different meaning. So basically the reason why I'm talking about this, going back to the original meaning of martyr. Mm. and then we're gonna get into like how martyr the name changed because it goes from basically you're in a court of law and you have to go against what you personally need.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You go against your personal pains in pursuit of helping the public, right? So there's a divide it's between the personal and the public, and then it gets into religion later. And you, you can probably talk about that, cuz I think you, I had you think about martyr and where it came from and everything, but then here we go, religion came into it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">When I was looking for the definition, I found this article that was published exactly a week after September 11th. So to be exact, it was published September 17, 2001 by Jim Kane (see article here: https://cmsw.mit.edu/reconstructions/definitions/martyr.html , who back then was an assistant professor of literature at MIT and taught comparative media studies.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">He broke down what martyr is with Christianity and also with the Muslim religion. We're gonna briefly touch on that . Right, right, Matt. Yeah. But. The reason why I wanna talk about this is truly it's about feeling torn between two conflicting impulses.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Cause really the whole martyr martyrdom<strong> the whole idea of the martyr thing is because I wanna get back to the original sense of it, which means feeling torn between two conflicting impulses. </strong>And I wanna talk about that within our relationships. So you have a work life friend and you have your own private life.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There's that separation. Can you truly be friends with someone that you work with in a total corporate environment? Like for example, another example of that without being corporate would be, most cops are not friends with normal citizens. Is that right? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:07]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. Yeah. There is this weird because there's a fundamental, you don't know what we go through.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right. And then now that we have the world in so much upheaval, we have politics coming into it. So can you be friends with someone who is so politically agitated or so politically distraught or, or not even distraught, but just like so political, as opposed to back in the day, we used just to be friends with everyone.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And it was easier to be friends with someone of a completely different political, viewpoint I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">get. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:47]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> That is absolutely </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> true. You know, then you have<strong> the religious friend as opposed to the friend who is more, not, not of a particular religion.</strong> And this is something I've noticed lately, too. Someone finds out.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're not the same religion as they are, even though you're totally open to all religions and you come from a place of love, they will, they will drop you. because, there's that division for them. Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I think it very much centers around core beliefs, right? Like, you know, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:20]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It doesn't at all though?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I've always talked about the layers of the onion and if the core of my onion, I am a born again, Christian, and that is something I express and that is something part of my life. I don't want to have parts of my life that aren't gonna help me support that core fundamental belief and in, in, in some ways.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I think a lot of people don't appreciate even being questioned, let alone challenged about things that are at the center of their onion. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, like all these different things that I'm bringing up. I mean, begs for a really deep conversation. Another conflicting impulse would be people of the opposite sex. Can men and women truly be friends?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And what if you're not of a particular identity, you know, having all these different identities, can you truly can our society at the moment being so polarized, I guess that's a word for it. I can't think of a word for it. It just seems like there's such division and that sense of, again, that the conflicting impulse is like really rampant in every area of life right now.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. So people of different identities, can you truly, you know, how does that relationship work? How does that friendship work these days? And then what if you're in a relationship as opposed to being single? Can people who are single truly be friends with someone who is in a committed relationship or a marriage? It's different, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Can people who have children truly be friends completely with people who don't have children? When we became parents, this was such an idiotic thought to even entertain, like, what are you talking about? Of course. But again, when you're dealing with such polarized sensitivities in our culture, right now, it is an issue.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It is an issue because people have different sensibilities for different situations and you can't always gel, especially when the world seems like everything is a trigger. everything is a problem. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm, like, everything is an issue. Whereas like I came from feeling like nothing's really an issue, man, because the issue is I love you the issue and it's not an issue.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Do you know what I'm saying? Right. My, my thing is I don't really. That's not a deal breaker for me. Mm-hmm I love people of different backgrounds. I love people who live completely different than I do, but when they start harassing me or looking down at me because I'm not them, I'm not like them, then that's a deal breaker for me. Right. Whereas I'm open to, a a circle that is rich with many ideas,. I wanna be well rounded. So that's what I wanted to talk about today is feeling torn between two conflicting impulses and the whole idea of what a martyr is and how are we being martyrs these days within our relationships, within our society. What do you think, Matt? Wow, let's start from, let's go back to the beginning of this article that was written by Jim.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Who like did such a beautiful job of explaining where the term originated, which was from ancient Greek, the ancient, Greek legal term, right. Just means witness. Right. And so, should I read the article or do you wanna explain what the article was? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:53]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It, it it's basically saying, I mean, it's the legal term, but then it gradually transmogrified into this sense of what are you willing to do instead of bearing witness? And so, like, it was really messed up back in the day because they were, they really went gunning for Christians because Christianity was illegal. And so you would be invited over to somebody's house and just as part of like taking your shoes off and whatever they would, you know, there would be a little altered to some Roman God and they would expect you to, I guess, um, What is it?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Um, do a little ceremony, in the same way maybe there's the ritual washing feet when you go to temple or whatever it is. And if you didn't do it, then they'd be like, he's probably a Christian. Let's go, let's go put him in court. And I'm not kidding. They would do this. Right. And so if they suspected you of anything, they would again, invite you to the house and watch you perform the ceremony or not. And if you didn't then yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:55]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And think about all the ways that, that same thing, ritual, whatever it is, has repeated itself throughout history throughout our society. You know, I just thought about like, what happens with, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">the one who started blacklisting people in the United. If </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:14]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> they, McCarthy McCarthy was responsible for blacklist. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So in the American history, McCarthy was responsible for any, like he really went after artists and he went after everyone basically. And if they thought that you were of like anything related to like.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Any, I don't know. What, how do you even describe it? It was beyond communism, like they were, so they such fear was placed in to the society that if they thought that you were not like them, your entire life was destroyed and people committed suicide because of it. Right? Lots of artists in the movie industry free thinkers writers, a lot of people, a lot of lives were ruined because they were pointed at and basically said you are not one of us. Mm-hmm however way they decided to, label one of us, like whatever that meant. Right. It could have been the way you were breathing that day. Oh, you're not one of us. You're out. and it destroyed people's lives and so how is that happening now?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I feel like that all that is happening rampantly. Isn't it? Why are you looking at me? I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:31]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> am looking at it's it's oh </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> my God. Here we go. There's here's our </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:36]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> fight because there's, there's so many fragments now in society, you know, I can remember when the president of a company I was working at did an all hands on deck call and he said to everybody, Just get the vaccine.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Wow. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:52]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and there was people that I worked with who were like, oh yes, conspiracies and, and the whole bit, you know, the far right, the far left the center, it doesn't matter. Everybody has their own kind of vaccination thing, you know, is there microchips in there, et cetera, et cetera. And for him to come out and say that, I mean, that was a little gutsy and weird. And, you know, I thought it was an uncomfortable thing because it was taking again a personal decision and trying to mandate it again, creating in the larger scheme of the word a martyr, you know, somebody who's willing to put their own personal and religious beliefs above the political and legal, or in this case, you know, workplace related.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know, they didn't check up on us or anything, but still it was a weird, random thing for him to say. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:38]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And that's just one example. I wonder, I wonder if you go way back, not way back, but if you go way forward in the future, what they truly will realize about the time that we're living in right now, what is happening?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know, we're gonna have a conversation with a friend of ours next week. Because he had an epiphany and he didn't tell me what it was, but mark, I cannot wait for, not on, not on the show though. Not on the show, but we'll tell you what our friend mark has realized because he has had an epiphany and things make sense to him.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Now I'm like really? How and what are you thinking? I cannot wait because our last fight, by the way, between me and Matt was that I broke down everything that was bothering me in our society and he kind of had more of a Pollyanna, you know, a very, like, everything's gonna be fine.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Everything's fine. It's just the, the pendulum swings this way and that way everything's gonna work out. I'm like, but really? No, no mm-hmm cause I was so upset. I needed to commiserate. I needed someone to commiserate with me. Is that the word? How do you say that? Anyway, can you help me out? What's that word?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:54]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Commiserate with misery. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Thanks, honey. I just needed to, to, I needed to not complain about it forever, but it was in me and I needed to expel it by just putting words to it and then letting it go. But it led into a fight and then you are like, that's it. Now you've convinced me. The world is terrible.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There's no hope for anything I'm done. And your whole posture, you just gave up, you were like, I give up everything. I'm like, no, no, no. And then you're like, what? Now you're gonna try to be positive? Too late. Anyway, we got into a big fight. And so anyway, hopefully we're back, right? We're back. We're back.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We're good. We, we just, I'm just saying it's important to take note of what is going on. You know, you can't have your partner be feeling at. Case in point I am female. I am not Caucasian. And so I'm experiencing things on a whole other level than my marriage partner is experiencing. Cuz he's white male, like totally different.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You have a completely different way of walking in the world. Do you know what I'm saying? You can be more carefree case in point when we go to the airport, you always thank God. I'm gonna actually knock on wood cuz I don't want you to go through what I go through. Knocking on wood. You have a much better time at the airport than I do.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that's very similar to how I feel like, I walk in life is like, it feels like things are easier for you. It's more manageable. Not that things are easier for you cuz I mean, you, you feel like you have the weight of the world on your shoulders, especially taking care of our family. I think it's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> a different kind of weight.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's the thing that we all need to realize is everyone's going through their own stuff. And everybody has their own burdens that could be vastly different, even in the same families. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. Pain is pain. You can't say my pain is greater than yours for sure. I totally agree. So anyway, that's that was our fight.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So going back to martyrdom, how do you, so it went from basically being in court and going against what you personally think would benefit your life and testifying for something that would be of greater good. And so there was that conflict. That's where it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">began. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:23]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, honestly, I think it's the flip of what you just said.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's it's me making the choice not to testify because my personal beliefs were higher than the state than what the state would have me do. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Got it. Got? Yes, you're right. And then, so then that was, as time went on, that became like, you became a hero for doing that because you stuck up for your values with your faith rather.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">What was supposed to be done, correct? Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:52]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> because you, you just chose was quote legal as according to the state, because of course, as we know, the state likes to do things like sanctioned slavery as they did in Roman </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> times. So you, you went with, you were with your </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> personal and religious beliefs. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:05]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. You went with your personal spiritual beliefs rather than the beliefs of the.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Of the law of the land to the point of being killed by the state to the point of being killed. And then, so those people were considered heroes, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> certainly by the people who believed the way they did. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:22]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yes. So you were even like given like religious, um, badges or whatever. Well, honestly </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:28]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> before the term martyr was actually a term, uh, so in, , let's call it old Testament times.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They would actually read out registers in temple of people who had been quote unquote martyred for their faith or in this case, because it was before martyr killed for their faith and they would read these names out in temple. So they would actually elevate to that whole </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">next level. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And so speaking of elevate, as time went on, this whole thing became elevated.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So as the world started trading and you met people of different. And you were dealing with other countries, right? Other parts of the world, then it became Christian versus everybody else. So then you really died for your religion because you wanted everyone else to be Christian. Right. Isn't that what happened?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So then they became, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> that is one of the, one of the starting points. And then it gets even more twisted because of course the French had fights between Protestants and Catholics, but you know, it just further. Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So then became a, truly like a religious war. And this article was describing </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">that we tend to think of these days is that's where it came from once, you know, like it, it transformed into that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:39]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. Right. Well, yeah. And, and a key kind of component to that sense of martyrdom we have now is the sense that, of persecution mm-hmm and the sense of, obviously your commitment to this higher purpose.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:53]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right. And so my commitment, my, I don't, I don't have a commit. , but what I'm saying is I just wanna look at what are the conflicting impulses and can we get over them? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:07]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Should we get over them? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah, we should get over them. why shouldn't we, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:11]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it's just an interesting thing. So putting aside my personal beliefs for the good of society, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> no.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Oh, yeah. Like for example, well, well, I'm just saying that beliefs are just an illusion, because if you step into some other situation into someone else's shoes, your beliefs will be more fluid. You'll you'll have compassion. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:39]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> The answer to that. It depends because I can immediately something that got all my professors of philosophy, always liked to talk about was of course you bring up the Nazis, you know, and, and that's cuz the Nazis are literally the definition of ultimate evil, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:56]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Wow. You really went to the other side. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:58]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So, you know, there are certain beliefs that, you know, you can't put aside, like I believe slavery is wrong, so </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:07]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> there are deal breakers. Okay, so yeah, you're right. There are, there are definitely deal breakers. Okay. However, I've seen so many deal breakers that were able to become transcendent.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like, um, remember that story we saw of the black man who became friends with a KKK member, they became friends. They stepped in each other's shoes and actually became friends. So it is possible. But I think to begin with, you know, not taking it to such extremes of bringing up Hitler and the KKK and all of that, let's, let's take baby steps.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So one of the, one of the things, you know, like for example, the list that I made, like work life versus your personal life, how could we. How can, how can we bring the two together political strife, as opposed to the way we were before you could be friends with the opposite side and still have a fun relationship or fun, fun friendship.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But now it's a deal breaker. If you voted for Trump, you know what I'm saying? Or the other way around, um, someone who I've had this happen the past year. People who realized I was not Christian. They didn't really wanna work with me anymore. Like on projects and stuff, you know, or, well, you know, again, the opposite sex, there's always some tension or someone's gonna get bent out of shape because your friend is of something opposite than you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And, you know, then sex comes into it because people are so in America, so obsessed with like sex, they're obsessed by it, and then they hide it, but then they have no problem showing violence and terrible things happening. That's okay? That's okay??? But God forbid you see a woman's breasts, you know what I'm saying?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like, oh, but it's okay to show incredible violence. With crazy machine guns, blowing people up and having body parts splattered. That's okay to see, but oh God forbid you saw a nipple. Do you know what I'm saying? America is insane. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:36]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And there's the soundbite </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:37]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> folks. Sorry. So, and then, you know, and you have the married people versus the single people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:42]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I think, again, it's, it's layers of the onion and it's about, choosing how far into your onion you let people go and having an understanding that just because someone fundamentally disagrees with you on a point that you hold very dear, it doesn't have to be a deal breaker, you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> know?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And why does it have to be such. Me against this, you know, why has it become, so what's the word again? Why, why the such extreme polar opposite? Well, it's me against this. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:18]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It's it's, it's manipulation by media. It's manipulation by, um, mostly media, honestly, but, um, you know, making it we're so we're so polarized right now, in that I'm right. You are wrong. Not even, I'm mostly right. And you're mostly wrong. It's I'm right. You are wrong. It's very binary. It's very black and white now, which is ironic because that's how I saw the whole world until I was like 22, 23, 24, when I started to see shades of gray. And that's one of the reasons why I can be okay with it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Um, you know, my best friend for the longest time he was very moderate and I'm not very moderate. And so every once in a while, we'd, we'd start circling the horses and talking about whatever it was that we were talking about and it would get a little heated. And now one of my best friends is, uh, he's starting to feel more and more comfortable showing me how far removed from my, from my beliefs that he is.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that's, you know, the trick is we're being respectful of each other. And the trick is to maintain a sense of curiosity, not a sense of judgment. And that's a tricky thing. That's a hard thing. It's like when I start a new job, I don't want to go in and immediately start saying, wow, you do everything is wrong, cuz I'm just gonna get a brick wall and they're just gonna punch me in the nose and send me on my way.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know, and that'll be that and the same way that we see ending friendships, but of course, getting terminated from jobs is a very different experience. I'm being very careful. And so I'm making careful suggestions and I'm starting to get more and more passionate about the things that I'm doing. And as a matter of fact, you don't even know this, but I had a quick sit down with my boss on Friday just to say, Hey, am I pushing too hard?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Should I stop? Because I, I really enjoy being here and I wanna be here. And he told me rock on so I can continue, but it's, it's checking it. And I think you also, you need to check your friends too and make sure that you're not going too far. You're not, you know, you're not challenging them too much because people come to truth, not through words, but through experiences.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. That's a heavy thing. Herman Hesse said that. It's been said in many different ways, you don't understand something until you experience it. And, and in the same way that they always talk about, you know, an enlightenment doesn't happen because of a series of words, an enlightenment happens because of an experience or because of a meditation, which again is an experience.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">This is how we truly reach enlightenment. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:01]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> True. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You know, sometimes, even when it comes to you through someone's words, you still need to process it and make it yours. And so we can't have a discussion where I'm lobbying for the death penalty and you're lobbying against the death penalty.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And neither side is gonna say, you're right. Both sides are gonna have to disentangle ponder and come back to it. And, but the thing is, is we get so heated and so wanting to convince that our worldview is right, because it's our worldview. I mean, that's where we live and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> it's such a base level consciousness.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's such a, it's such a low level way of thinking. It's about, it's like being stuck in that mode of like ownership. I wanna take this, I wanna have that. I'm entitled to this. I'm entitled to this belief. I'm entitled to have this, whereas like really, I, you said you have to check your friends to see, where they're coming from.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You really have to check yourself and we have to check ourselves. I have to check myself and think, am I really attached to this one belief? It's either my belief or some other belief. And I feel like for me, I am not going to fall in that trap of getting to that mode where everything is a belief system, where in fact, it's all an illusion that you can't be attached to things. Ideas are things. You can't be attached to anything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If you wanna flow and bend with the wind and not break, not have your heart break, not have your life so broken, not have our relationships, our friendships broken; don't hold onto any particular belief, just like, you know, let's, I wanna be more like, I've never surfed in my life, but I always use the surfing analogy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like I just wanna go with the waves, you know, and ride it as opposed to being swallowed up. I don't want to be attached to anything, any belief, any physical object to own at this? I just think our, our way out of this such polarity is to not be so attached. You always describe having an empty jacket in martial arts.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:32]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> When you're fighting with someone, you know, let them have the jacket and you're walking away, they're still fighting, but it's an empty jacket. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> See, my wife wants to become a Buddha. And this is actually a great segue because aside from of course, the Buddhist monks who light themselves on fire to protest war, a traditional Buddhist martyr is someone who understands in a future life because there's a circle of, of life.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And you, you get reborn into a higher, lower phase. It's very Dharmic. They will postpone their enlightenment or their transition to their next phase in order to help others. That's a Buddhist martyr, which is fascinating. But now back to you, freedom from attachment is a wonderful concept.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Absolutely. But it's an impossibility because if I just go with the flow, then by all means imprison me by all means be an alt-right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:30]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> See, you had to take it there. I said baby </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">steps. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Ethics does. That's what philosophy wants us to do a philosophy wants us to be able to philosophy </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:40]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> like that will keep us stuck.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm just saying the baby </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:43]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> steps. I'm saying the core onion. There's a, there's, there's a core onion to me. So we're screwed. No, no, hold on. And as long as we can both agree that slavery is a terrible thing, as long as we can agree on probably there's probably about a hundred other things in there that I can't think of.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But see, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> you're saying we have to agree by the way. I do agree. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. And that's just it. I can be friends with you if you have a different view on, uh, you know what the second amendment means. I can be friends with you. That's not sitting so tight in that, but </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> you're taking it to the extreme. I'm just trying to start this process going for turning our society a little bit more friendly.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">By just taking baby steps, right? Yeah. I'm not gonna be friends with Hitler. Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:32]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> see, there you go. You're no longer a Buddha. I'm sorry, babe. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:36]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I had never said I was a Buddha. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:38]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You said freedom from complete </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">freedom from attachment.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:41]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I did not say complete. I just said I I'm trying to for myself, not be so attached to the material and not get so triggered.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The other day I was driving the kids to the dentist and I saw a car, two cars in totally different neighborhoods that definitely had like signs on them that were scary. And I got triggered. Right. You know, and it's so funny because our, our pediatric dentist who's like to me, like a total Buddha, like I love him.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">He was like, you know what? You're never gonna not see that. You're always gonna see something that is opposite from you. That will trigger you. You're always gonna see it. So, you know, and I don't remember what he said after that, but the feeling I got was, yeah, you're right. It's always gonna be there, but am I gonna let it affect my circle?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">No.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Anyway, baby step, I kind of wanna close the show off here. Right? Take </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:44]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> the question. Try not to hold so much attachment if you're discussing something, try</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:51]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> isn't that what I said? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:52]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes, absolutely. But it's not in all things. It's on this thing you're discussing. Keep it light. Ask questions, be curious. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, I'm just saying don't get sucked.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Don't into the pit. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Don't expect the other. Side of the table to have any amount of enlightenment as far as what your </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:10]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> position is, but see, that's another attachment right there to expect the other side to agree with you or to come around said, don't did you okay? don't expect anything from anyone else.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm not going to expect anything from anyone else from now on. I'm not gonna expect someone to be a certain kind of friend. You know what I'm saying? I'm just gonna keep going my own Merry way. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:34]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. Focus on the common ground probe, maybe a little bit, but not with a huge amount of intention. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:41]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Probe is a nasty word.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It is. Isn't it. It's gross. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Didn't Ford have a car called the probe. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:46]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I don't, I don't know. just stop. All right. All right. So let that be a thought for a few days until we talk to you in the next few days. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> There you go.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:56]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Love you so much. Thank you again for listening. Go to our website, get your free copy of the Ikigai of Friendship workbook. Reach out to us. Talk to us. If you wanna come on our show, reach out to me, just go to contact on www dot our friendly world podcast. What is our, what is our, </span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:19]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> podcast.com. Is it. Yeah, it's www.our friendlyworldpodcast.com. Uh, go to contact, click on that. I'll get I'll. I'll, I'll have a conversation with you if you wanna come on our show.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And if there's something you wanna talk about something you wanna get off your chest, let us know, love you. Talk to you in a few days. Be well, bye.</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Fawn and Matt get into the etymology of the word MARTYR and figure out what it means within our various relationships within our culture and society.
Martyr the original sense of it, which means feeling torn between two conflicting impulses. We explore that sense of conflict within our relationships: work friend vs your own private life friend.Can you truly be friends with someone that you work with within a total corporate environment? For example, another example of that without being corporate would be, that most cops are not friends with normal citizens. And then now that we have the world in so much upheaval, we have politics coming into it. Can we be friends with someone who is so politically agitated or so politically distraught or not even distraught, but just so political, as opposed to back in the day, we used just to be friends with everyone.There is the religious friend as opposed to the friend who is not of a particular religion. because there's that division and it very much centers around core beliefs. Another conflicting impulse would be people of the opposite sex. Can men and women truly be friends? And what if you're not of a particular identity? What if you're in a relationship as opposed to being single? Can people who are single truly be friends with someone who is in a committed relationship or a marriage? Can people who have children truly be friends completely with people who don't have children? When we became parents, this was such  When you're dealing with such polarized sensitivities in our culture, right now, it is an issue. It is an issue because people have different sensibilities for different situations and you can't always gel, especially when the world seems like everything is a trigger. At the root of feeling and being a martyr is the feeling of being torn between two conflicting impulses. What's the whole idea of a martyr and how are we being martyrs these days within our relationships, within our society? How can we transform out of this state?
Transcript - Martyr
[00:00:00] Fawn: Welcome back. Are you guys there? Hello? Hello. Happy every day, no matter what's going on in the world, guys,
[00:00:08] Matt: are we recording
[00:00:09] Fawn: faith? We are recording now. Hi everybody. Welcome. 
[00:00:12] Matt: Hello. 
[00:00:13] Fawn: Welcome. Welcome. Welcome back. Good every day, no matter what, let's keep the faith. Um, 
[00:00:21] Matt: interesting choice 
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                                            <![CDATA[<p style="margin-top:0.17in;margin-bottom:0.18in;" align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Understanding what kindness actually is, as opposed to respect, means learning how we can use both of these things. And when we can use both of these things in our relationships. The word respect comes from the middle English from Latin respectus which means to look at, to regard. from R E, which means back. And then to that, you add S P E C E R E, which means to look at, so to look back on. <br /><br />The definition of respect is a relation or reference to a particular thing or a situation and an act of giving particular attention, consideration, like high or special regard, esteem, the quality or state of being esteemed; a positive feeling or action shown towards someone or something considered important or held in high esteem or regard. It conveys a sense of admiration for good or valuable qualities. <br /><br />Is respect earned or given? Respect is earned, not given suggests that if you want to be respected, you cannot force people to respect you just because you want them to. We aren't obliged to love or respect anyone just because they exist. It's like, You have to go through a series of things to, in a way earn that respect. Whereas kindness is not about earning it. Sometimes you have to be kind to the most hideous person, the most hideous acting person because that's what they need, because we all know that hurt people hurt. People that are in pain want to inflict pain on others. That's all they know. And maybe that's their way of being understood and being heard; when you feel my pain is when you're gonna feel what I'm going through. You will understand me better. It's really messed up, but I think that is unfortunately the way of things in our society.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0.17in;margin-bottom:0.18in;" align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> Let's really look at where it actually stems from this whole disrespect thing really starts the way we are raised as babies, the way that as soon as we're born, we have to be put into daycare the way that we just have to fend for ourselves the way we're told you're out by 18, 18, you're out, you better make your own money. You better be out of here. It's saying that you don't belong to the family, that you have to get the heck out. And I understand having a sense of responsibility and becoming independent, but that's a different issue from saying you need to get out.<br /><br /> It's disrespectful. And we do it with the elders too. We, we put them in daycare. They're no longer part of the family. They're no longer under the same roof for different reasons. One is, you know, because the, the respect from generation to generation is not really considered, and there's no kindness in there, but there's really no respect.<br /><br /> And so, yeah, even when we're not dealing with elders, we barely want to hang out during Thanksgiving. We can barely hang out at a kitchen table these days, because we are so split even more than ever before with our politics, with our right as human beings, as my right, as a woman, totally trampled on by your father.<br /><br /> It's just, there's no listening. There's no understanding. There is no compassion or empathy for something that you may not be experiencing in your own life. And so what I was trying to tell my friend was what gets me mad is these people who have no respect and have no, they have no empathy until they experience the pain for themselves. That's the only time that they may consider another point of view is when theirs their life is. So put on the extreme for them to fully be immersed in what they thought they were against for them to understand it. Whereas you have to realize you don't have to live a certain way to understand someone.<br /><br /> It takes empathy. It takes listening. It takes hearing the other person out. It t...</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Understanding what kindness actually is, as opposed to respect, means learning how we can use both of these things. And when we can use both of these things in our relationships. The word respect comes from the middle English from Latin respectus which means to look at, to regard. from R E, which means back. And then to that, you add S P E C E R E, which means to look at, so to look back on. The definition of respect is a relation or reference to a particular thing or a situation and an act of giving particular attention, consideration, like high or special regard, esteem, the quality or state of being esteemed; a positive feeling or action shown towards someone or something considered important or held in high esteem or regard. It conveys a sense of admiration for good or valuable qualities. Is respect earned or given? Respect is earned, not given suggests that if you want to be respected, you cannot force people to respect you just because you want them to. We aren't obliged to love or respect anyone just because they exist. It's like, You have to go through a series of things to, in a way earn that respect. Whereas kindness is not about earning it. Sometimes you have to be kind to the most hideous person, the most hideous acting person because that's what they need, because we all know that hurt people hurt. People that are in pain want to inflict pain on others. That's all they know. And maybe that's their way of being understood and being heard; when you feel my pain is when you're gonna feel what I'm going through. You will understand me better. It's really messed up, but I think that is unfortunately the way of things in our society.
 Let's really look at where it actually stems from this whole disrespect thing really starts the way we are raised as babies, the way that as soon as we're born, we have to be put into daycare the way that we just have to fend for ourselves the way we're told you're out by 18, 18, you're out, you better make your own money. You better be out of here. It's saying that you don't belong to the family, that you have to get the heck out. And I understand having a sense of responsibility and becoming independent, but that's a different issue from saying you need to get out. It's disrespectful. And we do it with the elders too. We, we put them in daycare. They're no longer part of the family. They're no longer under the same roof for different reasons. One is, you know, because the, the respect from generation to generation is not really considered, and there's no kindness in there, but there's really no respect. And so, yeah, even when we're not dealing with elders, we barely want to hang out during Thanksgiving. We can barely hang out at a kitchen table these days, because we are so split even more than ever before with our politics, with our right as human beings, as my right, as a woman, totally trampled on by your father. It's just, there's no listening. There's no understanding. There is no compassion or empathy for something that you may not be experiencing in your own life. And so what I was trying to tell my friend was what gets me mad is these people who have no respect and have no, they have no empathy until they experience the pain for themselves. That's the only time that they may consider another point of view is when theirs their life is. So put on the extreme for them to fully be immersed in what they thought they were against for them to understand it. Whereas you have to realize you don't have to live a certain way to understand someone. It takes empathy. It takes listening. It takes hearing the other person out. It t...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p style="margin-top:0.17in;margin-bottom:0.18in;" align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Understanding what kindness actually is, as opposed to respect, means learning how we can use both of these things. And when we can use both of these things in our relationships. The word respect comes from the middle English from Latin respectus which means to look at, to regard. from R E, which means back. And then to that, you add S P E C E R E, which means to look at, so to look back on. <br /><br />The definition of respect is a relation or reference to a particular thing or a situation and an act of giving particular attention, consideration, like high or special regard, esteem, the quality or state of being esteemed; a positive feeling or action shown towards someone or something considered important or held in high esteem or regard. It conveys a sense of admiration for good or valuable qualities. <br /><br />Is respect earned or given? Respect is earned, not given suggests that if you want to be respected, you cannot force people to respect you just because you want them to. We aren't obliged to love or respect anyone just because they exist. It's like, You have to go through a series of things to, in a way earn that respect. Whereas kindness is not about earning it. Sometimes you have to be kind to the most hideous person, the most hideous acting person because that's what they need, because we all know that hurt people hurt. People that are in pain want to inflict pain on others. That's all they know. And maybe that's their way of being understood and being heard; when you feel my pain is when you're gonna feel what I'm going through. You will understand me better. It's really messed up, but I think that is unfortunately the way of things in our society.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0.17in;margin-bottom:0.18in;" align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> Let's really look at where it actually stems from this whole disrespect thing really starts the way we are raised as babies, the way that as soon as we're born, we have to be put into daycare the way that we just have to fend for ourselves the way we're told you're out by 18, 18, you're out, you better make your own money. You better be out of here. It's saying that you don't belong to the family, that you have to get the heck out. And I understand having a sense of responsibility and becoming independent, but that's a different issue from saying you need to get out.<br /><br /> It's disrespectful. And we do it with the elders too. We, we put them in daycare. They're no longer part of the family. They're no longer under the same roof for different reasons. One is, you know, because the, the respect from generation to generation is not really considered, and there's no kindness in there, but there's really no respect.<br /><br /> And so, yeah, even when we're not dealing with elders, we barely want to hang out during Thanksgiving. We can barely hang out at a kitchen table these days, because we are so split even more than ever before with our politics, with our right as human beings, as my right, as a woman, totally trampled on by your father.<br /><br /> It's just, there's no listening. There's no understanding. There is no compassion or empathy for something that you may not be experiencing in your own life. And so what I was trying to tell my friend was what gets me mad is these people who have no respect and have no, they have no empathy until they experience the pain for themselves. That's the only time that they may consider another point of view is when theirs their life is. So put on the extreme for them to fully be immersed in what they thought they were against for them to understand it. Whereas you have to realize you don't have to live a certain way to understand someone.<br /><br /> It takes empathy. It takes listening. It takes hearing the other person out. It takes you removing yourself from the conversation and just hearing someone or seeing someone truly for who they are without you, not you listening, but for, without them putting themselves on the person, trying to further explain that they are right. Because "My way is best."<strong><br /><br /> <span style="font-size:large;"><u>There are four forms of respect:</u></span><br /><br /> Michael Moffa, wrote this explanation for recruiter.com.<br /><br />1) TOLERANCE - putting up with what someone else wants, needs hopes for, or expects in the form of forbearance from actions against them.<br /><br /><br />2) ADMIRATION - expressed or felt esteem for and encouragement of another's traits, states, behaviors, et cetera. So you have to admire the person to respect them.<br /></strong></span></span><br /><br /></p>
<p style="margin-top:0.17in;" align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:11pt;"><strong>3) DEFERENCE- Submissive attitudes, behaviors, and expressions as indicators or acceptance of claimed or sought the superior status of another.</strong></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0.17in;" align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:11pt;"><em><br /></em><strong>4) ACKNOWLEDGEMENT -<span style="font-size:small;">recognition of the positive value of the existence of another or his or her endeavors, traits, aptitudes achievements, et cetera, with no overtones or reluctance of the sort that tolerance, quote unquote tolerance suggests a simple nod of like quote-unquote, hi, tip of the hat or vague smile can easily accomplish this.</span> </strong></span></span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0.17in;" align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:11pt;"><em><br /></em>The etymology of kindness, the word kindness harks back to the old English, kindness, which me, which meant nation.<br /><br /> The thing about kindness is that it's not about earning it. Sometimes you have to be kind to the most hideous person, the most hideous acting person because that's what they need because we all know that hurt people hurt. People that are in pain wanna inflict pain on others. That's all they know. And maybe that's their way of being understood and being heard; when you feel my pain is when you're gonna feel what I'm going through. You will understand me better. It's really messed up, but I think that is unfortunately the way of things in our society.<br /><br /> Society deserves you to be kind to the most hated person.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Imagine a quiet, beautiful morning, the kind of morning where you step outside and you can taste the fragrance from the trees and the flowers you can taste the dew from all the greenery that may be around. And sometimes it's not around. Cause we live around a lot of concrete.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But there is that delicious scent in the air super early in the morning. That's when people are kinder. People are, everything is a little bit quiet and cheerful. The birds are chirping.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So yesterday 6:30 in the morning, I go outside with my half watermelon ready to compost it. I had eaten it. We had eaten it and I was actually really chipper. I was excited to go for a walk and to see the world outside.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And as soon as I had took the last steps down the stairs, I saw one of my enemies </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:53]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> D'oh!</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> In instant, I went from Happy, like Fawn in the forest feel to, I think I said every horrible word you never wanna say about a person. It all came outta my mouth. Like I was whispering it. I was so angry. My whole chemistry changed. You know, just because we talk about the art of friendship doesn't mean I'm not human and that there are people out there I don't wanna see that used to be friends at some point. They disappointed, severely us, our family, they hurt us and that happens, your heart gets broken </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> by people. So what I'm trying to say is today's episode is about respect and kindness. And I had a, literally, literally a. Four and a half conversation with one of our dear dear friends, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:47]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> four and a half hour conversation?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What'd I say?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:49]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Four and a half </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:50]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> conversation, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">four and a half hour conversation. because I had to explain that there is a difference between kindness and respect. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:00]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah, absolutely. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I had to, I had to prove it. They're like what? It's the same thing. I'm like, oh no, no, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">no, it's not. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:06]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> No, no, no, absolutely not. There are certain, professions where.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I want professionalism and respect and I don't want kindness. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm gonna get into that. Bear with me because I'm going to get into the meaning of both, and then we're gonna start the conversation because it's really good. You know, it's like when a kid asks you, like, what is this? Or what's the meaning of this?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And you can't explain it because deep down you really aren't fully well versed in what it actually means. do you know what I'm saying?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I think so. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:37]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Like Einstein said, you really don't know anything about a subject if you can't explain it to a child, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:43]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> is he the one who said that? Wow,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:44]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I think so.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It's strong.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:46]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I don't know for a fact who said it, but it's true. right. So I'm like, you know what, so that, I think that's why it took four hours or, well, we discussed other things mm-hmm but I had to keep reframing it to try to get my intuitive feeling of what respect is versus what kindness is. So it leads back to, I mean, it really starts with what's been going on with me and people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Um, people's apologies to me. I had in, in the space of like, in the span of one week, I had two older cocky, older, Caucasian men, probably Republican, totally leash out on. Is that the term leash out on me. They like vent. They like, for no reason, I was there punching back because I was, I mean, from my perspective, the only non-white person and, you know, they couldn't do that with anyone else.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like I was the target that they felt like they couldn't misuse cuz it's acceptable. And just by my presence they realized it was wrong and they tried to apologize, but it was in the form of an apologia. Go back to our episode. Do we explain this. The episode is called "Apologia" which is, it's really not an apology.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's a defense of why you said or did what you did. So you're not apologizing. You're reaffirming why you did what you did, but you know, it was wrong. Well, I don't know if Socrates thought it was wrong, but </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Socrates sure as heck didn't</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:18]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I I know, but it's still like it's like you do something really messed up and your apology is:</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm sorry you felt that way. That, that kind of thing. And then you further explain why you were in the right </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:32]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I, I just, my eyes are downcast and I'm feeling very quiet </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">right now. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:36]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah, because this is our big fight between us as a couple. Like, this is how we fight all the time. It's because Matt doesn't apologize.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Apologize. It's an apologia. Anyway. I'm digressing. So what happened was I came down the stairs and I saw the enemy and in a split second, my entire chemistry changed and my entire outlook on the world changed. I went to the compost. I put the watermelon in there totally saying the most messed up words, imaginable things that I don't even like to describe other women with, like these words.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But I did cuz it felt good. I was that angry. Then you met me there cuz you were locking the door. So you, you were like a few seconds behind me. And so you didn't see who I saw. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:22]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I did not. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So what happened was I was just standing in the parking lot and you're like, which way do you wanna walk? I'm like, I don't even know.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I don't even wanna do go anywhere. Like nothing looks good to me. And you pointed in that direction, I'm like, no, that's where she was going. And you said, well, how about over here? I'm like, no, basically you, you, you gave all the four directions.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I was being very sweet. I thought. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:42]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yes. You were always sweetened light.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:44]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> No, but in that moment I happened to have been </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> okay. So what happened was I went from feeling so excited about going out into the world to, I don't care. I don't wanna go out in it. I don't wanna be a part of this. nothing excites me. We almost got into a fight cuz we were like, well, which way do you wanna go?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm like leave me alone. I'm I'm not happy right now. Don't mess with me. And so I just started walking in one direction and you followed me. And then this new cat walked up to me. it's like, and this cat, and this is where the kindness comes in. This cat in a split second, took me from the most foul minded head space I was in to immediately: "oh, love you." the love came back in an instant because of the kindness that this cat was giving me. It was amazing. And I recognized the whole difference again, in, in the body chemistry and my thoughts. It changed in instant. So I hung out with the cat for a few seconds and then we left and then a dog came up to us, running up to us and it was so</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">funny and excitable and like funny. And so I started laughing and then I don't know, about 10 minutes later, we ran into a, a black feral cat in the woods and this cat was on the hunt, but this cat also came up to me and wanted me to pet it and everything I'm like, whoa. Again, kindness. It changed my entire world.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so going from <strong>understanding what kindness actually is, as opposed to respect, I wanna get into respect and talk about what that means and what kindness means and talk about how we can use both of these things. And when we can use both of these things in our relationships. Here we go: respect </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;"><strong>Comes from the middle English from Latin </strong><em><strong>respectus</strong></em><strong> and from the verb, I'm just gonna spell it. R E S P I C E R E, which means to look at, to regard from R E, which means back. And then to that, you add S P E C E R E, which means to look at, so to look back on, that is what respect actually means when you break it down.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;"><strong>So the definition of respect is a relation or reference to a particular thing or a situation.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;"><strong>And an act of giving particular attention, consideration, like high or special regard, esteem, the quality or state of being esteemed; a positive feeling or action shown towards someone or something considered important or held in high esteem or regard. It conveys a sense of admiration for good or valuable qualities. </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>So one of the questions we're gonna ask is respect earned or given?</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">That's one of the things we're gonna get into today </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>Respect is earned, not given suggests that if you wanna be respected, you cannot force people to respect you just because you want them to.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;"><strong>People who think that you cannot force people to respect you it's because they recognize they, they know that not everyone is born equal and they aren't obliged to love or respect anyone just because they exist. It's like, You have to go through a series of things to, in a way earn that respect.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>Whereas kindness, I think it's not about earning it. Sometimes you have to be kind to the most hideous person, the most hideous acting person. </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Mm-hmm </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>because that's what they need, because we all know that hurt people hurt. People that are in pain wanna inflict pain on others. That's all they know.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>And maybe that's their way of being understood and being heard ;when you feel my pain is when you're gonna feel what I'm going through. You will understand me better. It's really messed up, but I think that is unfortunately the way of things in our society.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;"><strong>I was reading something and it broke it down to, four forms and confusions of respect.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;"><strong>If you look it up and you try to understand the meaning of it (the word, respect), you'll see that people break it down into three ways of respect, three or four usually.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But, so I picked one and I really liked, you know, I don't like the word tolerance. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:34]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> because to me it's like, and this person totally described it the same way I do. Like it, it just makes me angry when someone is like, let's be tolerant of one another, because to me that implies that you have no respect for me that you're just going to tolerate me because you don't like the color of my skin, but you're gonna tolerate it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that just is ignorant to me that it doesn't work for me. I don't like that. I think they should change the name of museums or like whatever they're doing in society to make us love each other or understand one another. I don't think tolerance is the right word for it. It that's just my personal opinion.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But anyway, so here we go. This is written by. It's from recruiter.com is where I got this article from. I read a whole bunch of different people and what they think of respect and that whole thing. And this person, let me find their name. What is their name?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">It's a writer for <strong> recruiter.com.</strong> His name is<strong> Michael Moffa</strong>. And this is what he had to say about respect. He started off talking about Rodney Dangerfield. He was a comedian, a standup comedian. I think it was in the eighties. And his catch phrase was "I can't get no respect" and everyone glomed onto that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And it's interesting because a lot of people also felt the same way. So everyone would use that phrase. I can't get no respect.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It's interesting also Matt, that a lot of these articles had to do with the work situation, like with the corporate world, like that's where they broke down the whole idea of respect and the meaning of respect. I think what's missing is. First of all, it, it, that respect and especially the American culture, forgive me, but it's true.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We don't respect our kids. We don't respect each other. We don't respect the family. Really. Like, don't get mad at me, but it's true. If you're getting mad at me, I'm triggering you for a reason. Like there's a reason you're being triggered. I was talking to a friend for four and a half hours.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The conversation really started because I was so upset because your dad was so mean to me. And then, you know, somehow it was brought to his attention by some other family members that what he did was so wrong, but the way he apologized on my voicemail made me even more furious.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And then he completely ignored </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:06]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And then, oh, that's another thing that he ignored it. The, the next time we spoke, like, just because you say, oops, sorry. It doesn't mean you can never talk about it again because the person is still upset, especially because your apology may not have been, um, understood.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Or the <strong>apology</strong> was probably an <strong>apologia</strong>, which further infuriates the person. because you're not, you're not taking ownness of what you did. You're saying, I'm sorry you felt that way. Or" I'm sorry" but you really didn't get into what you did wrong.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You just wanna say, sorry. And get it over with and things go back to normal. But for me, I came from an abusive kind of family where they did the most messed up things. They rarely apologized. They just ignored it and life went on and then sure enough, that same behavior would take place. And after so many years, for me, most of my life, like I had to go to therapy and I, and I went to so many different therapists because they were all saying, you need to get outta this family.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">This is not okay. Behavior. And because I come from the culture that I come from. Family's big. You just, you stay together. I had to completely cut myself off. I had to remove myself completely, even from the coolest relatives I had to just go off by myself and it's been a very lonely experience, but you can't, you can't just say we're family, we're blood.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So you're gonna have to put up with it. No. And, and that is where kindness comes in and that's where the whole respect thing comes in. And I wanna say, I'm glad that these articles are written about, <strong>respect in the workplace</strong>, but let's really look at where it actually stems from this whole disrespect thing really starts the way we are raised as babies, the way that as soon as we're born, we have to be put into daycare the way that we just have to fend for ourselves the way we're told you're out by 18, 18, you're out, you better make your own money. You better be out of here. It's saying that you don't belong to the family, that you have to get the heck out. And I understand having a sense of responsibility and becoming independent, but that's a different issue from saying you need to get out.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's disrespectful. And we do it with the elders too. We, we put them in daycare. They're no longer part of the family. They're no longer under the same roof for different reasons. One is, you know, because the, the respect from generation to generation is not really considered, and there's no kindness in there, but there's really no respect.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so, yeah, even when we're not dealing with elders, we barely wanna hang out during Thanksgiving. We can barely hang out at a kitchen table these days, because we are so split even more than ever before with our politics, with our right as human beings, as my right, as a woman, totally trampled on by your father.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's just, there's no listening. There's no understanding. There is no compassion or empathy for something that you may not be experiencing in your own life. And so what I was trying to tell my friend was what gets me mad is these people who have no respect and have no, they have no empathy until they experience the pain</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">for themselves. That's the only time that they may consider another point of view is when theirs their life is. So put on the extreme for them to fully be immersed in what they thought they were against for them to understand it. Whereas you have to realize you don't have to live a certain way to understand someone.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It just takes empathy. It takes listening. It takes hearing the other person out. It takes you removing yourself from the conversation and just hearing someone or seeing someone truly for who they are without you, not you listening, but for, without them putting themselves on the person, trying to further explain that they are right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Because "My way is best."</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right. Yeah, no, I totally got you in the case of my father. I think that he was attempting to take respect, not earning it, not being given it, but take it because he was theoretically trying to do us a favor. And we basically said, no, thank you very </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:53]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> much. No, we said no, thank you. After he behaved the way he did exactly, because we're like, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:58]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> you know what?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">He was starting to think he could pull strings. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Mm. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and, you know, was he being more honest at that moment? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Is he always on guard against saying the wrong thing? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:08]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> maybe.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> but he was trying to take that respect, you know, you will listen to me because I'm now taking </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And also it's the whole thing, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">which doesn't work of like the generational thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like no matter what you have to respect your elders, you have to respect your family no matter how they abuse. You need to respect that. And I don't agree with that. That, that is what perpetuates the whole disease in our society. No, someone has to stop and say no more of this. This behavior is not okay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You need to change it. If you're not gonna change it, then I'm sorry. Then you can live like this on your own. There will have to be a split. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:49]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. Right. And people like to make the excuse of, well, that's not how they were raised and how they grew up. They don't understand cetera. Cetera, cetera, a famous story in my family was one of her brothers.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Oh my God was dating a Catholic girl and we're Protestant or my mother was Protestant. And that was a scandal. Went to talk to the priest about it. And the priest said, at least he's going to church. Because the priest was somewhat enlightened, but , when do we stop making allowances for that's just the way things were back then or that's how they were raised or that's just how things are now.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> is pure laziness saying, well, this is how I was raised. It's saying that you don't even wanna bother thinking or entertaining another person's point of view. You know, we had our girls totally open up to him, to your dad. You know, they're older now. So they're quiet about things as well. They should, because they can understand because people disrespect them like your, like your father did</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:49]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> true.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> He totally ignored them and said, it's just a phase which like deeply hurt them. So I get on the phone with him. I'm like, look, you said this, and you have to realize that it was a big deal for them to have this conversation with you, for them to explain their life, to you, to explain their preferences to you, to like explain their way of living and what they're going through.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And you totally dismissed it because you don't agree with them. He's like, okay, thanks for letting me know. I'll change that. Did he? No, he ignored it. Week after week after week. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well changing, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">it means we're no longer </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">talking about it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:28]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And then when he did talk about it, he said, uh, girls, I wanna apologize.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm just gonna keep my mouth shut from now on. It's like, wow. He, he didn't understand again that you, you being quiet about a social issue, that the girls are going through, you being quiet and saying, I'm just gonna keep my mouth shut is not okay. It's saying I further don't wanna talk to you about it. I further don't wanna hear you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:58]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. Right. And you know what? I had this almost a very similar conversation with a friend of mine, actually. Her stepdaughter is going through stuff, going through a lot of things, but that's beside the point and the stepdaughter went to the parents and said, this is how I feel. This is who I am. And they completely shot her down.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And it's like, you know what, the quickest way to alienate somebody is to make them feel small. And it doesn't matter if they're family, it doesn't matter if they're coworker, it doesn't matter. And you make somebody feel small, they're gonna stop </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> talking and you make them feel small by the ways that you ignore something correct.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Or like they don't </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> exist or you deny it or you say, oh, oh, uh, no, you're wrong or whatever it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:42]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> is. So anyway, so going back to the definition of respect.<strong> There are four categories of respect.</strong> One is, and this was all across the board. <strong> The first one was tolerance.</strong> I like how Michael put it, he put it in quotes, putting up with and that's just so wrong.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So TOLERANCE: putting up with what someone else wants, needs hopes for, or expects in the form of forbearance from actions against them. Any idea what that means truly. Can you, can you redefine that? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I, I wanna say that where tolerance came into it was going through the mindset of the way you were raised you can't change. So let's just pretend that's a true maximum. I don't believe it, but let's pretend that's true. Now. We want to, I integrate the schools. We wanna, oh my God. Mix the races in school. Oh. And we're gonna force bus or we're gonna do what it takes to make that happen. They used to describe it as the first generation will be, will, will force the first generation to be tolerant.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then later on next generation of the generation after then we can start coming into harmony. But first with the, you know, it's like people have to see, um, Uhura on the bridge of The Enterprise and get comfortable with the fact that, oh my God, a black woman could be a, a fleet officer on Star Trek. Then the next generation can get more accepting and more accepting and more accepting mm-hmm</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So that's where tolerance, I think really entered into like the vernacular of, and so it's like, you know what, you're gonna put up with it. You may not like it. You may not be happy about it, but you're gonna put up with it. See, it's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:24]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> interesting the way. So later generation, it's very happy. It's very weird.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">How you just read this, you know, you understood this definition totally different than I did. So again, it says tolerance putting up with putting up. What someone else wants, needs hopes for, or expects in the form of forbearance from actions against them. Right. So the way I thought about it was like your father, like for me to display respect, because he's an elder, I have to put up with him.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I don't wanna get him upset because he may have a heart attack or he may, you know what I mean? Mm-hmm like, oh, he's gonna get sick or he's just, you know, it's not good for him. Or is whatever blood pressure, I don't know, but out of tolerance, mm-hmm, out of the fact that he's your father. I have to respect him.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It doesn't always work. Right. I end up leaving the room a lot. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. Which is weird because jumping the gun I'm I feel, and this is gonna sound weird because you're, and you're gonna disagree with me. I'm sure. But I don't really respect. But I feel the need to be </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">kind </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:38]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> that's, that's why we're having this conversation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's we're having </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:40]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> the conversation. You're jumping ahead. I'm jumping ahead. I know jumping, but like, you know, uh, you've gotta, you've gotta earn it, right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Mm-hmm </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:48]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I have to give you my respect. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:50]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:50]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and alls it takes, sometimes it takes one sentence to ruin it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Mm-hmm </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and he's had many paragraphs with which to </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">ruin it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:59]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh yeah. Chapters novels. Ah, all right. So the next one is admiration that comes in. So again, these are the four elements that go into respect. <strong>The second one is admiration: expressed or felt esteem for and encouragement of another's traits, states, behaviors, et cetera. So you have to admire the person to respect them.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">I'm just gonna use your dad as an example. Mm-hmm please forgive me, Matt. No, no, no. And, and, and I, and forgive me out there, cuz I'm totally disrespecting our elders. I'm disrespecting Matt's dad, but you know, I am so angry right now with, with him as a, a, an archetype, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If you will, you know, the white man. Who is very conservative, who will hear nothing about you, does not wanna see other races and religions come into to his circle. Doesn't believe in human rights. He just sees his own rights. Right. And he's the one in the being wronged. Mm-hmm, not black people, you know, like it's, it's, it's outrageous and it, and he's so old and he's so frail and like sick.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So it's. You know, that's where the tolerance thing comes in. But, and so anyway, so admiration have to when, oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, go ahead. I was gonna go to the next one. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:29]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Okay, good. So I'm in a, I'm at quite a conundrum because like my favorite band first concert I ever went to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I was band Iron Maiden hay. Welcome to my heavy metal ness. The lead singer, Bruce Dickinson. I admired the be Jesus outta him. And now I'm conflicted. Now I admire, bejesus outta him, he he's a licensed pilot. He flies them around. He was on the British Olympic fencing team. He's a great singer.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Disagree with me as you will. So you admire him. I get it. Hold on. Bachelor's degree in history from university, cetera, cetera, et cetera, a lot of things to admire, but divorced his wife currently lives with someone who was described as a groupee. I'm conflicted. I don't know what to do with that. I don't, I don't admire that at all.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So I'm completely conflicted at first. I said, you know what? Forget it. But I, I can't </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:22]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> help it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You can't admire every single aspect of every single person, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:27]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> but that's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">kind of a big one to me. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:29]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. And yeah, you, you also went through this with Lance Armstrong. Oh my God. You made me read his book. Wow. I was like, I am not interested.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Read the book I'm like, fine. I'll read the book. I hate it when people make me read their books that they like, well, I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:42]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> made you read like two books and both of 'em are pretty messed up. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:45]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So I'm like, I didn't like Lance's Armstrong for whatever reason. I couldn't tell you why it was intuitive. Mm-hmm , I'm like, I don't care about this guy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right? Who is this fool? And you're like, you gotta read it. And then later on we realized, oh, this guy is a major cheater in many ways. Right. Right. And you lost all respect for him. Oh yeah. Big time because there was no more big time. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:07]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> There was no coming back for </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> him, but that's beside the point, the amount of things that you admired about him were way canceled out by the things that you did not admire about him.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. So there you go. So can I go to the next one? Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Did </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> you, no, go ahead. I'm I'm, I'm just conflicted on, on, you know, Iron Maiden, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> so, all right. You can still admire the man for being a pilot and, and doing whatever golfing or is that Alice Cooper never that's Alice Cooper. Nevermind. All these heavy metal guys are </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> he's hard rock.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Don't don't get </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">it twisted. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:37]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. Okay. So we have tolerance, we have admiration. The next one is difference. Deference. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:44]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Deference is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:45]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> very different than difference. Okay. So <strong>the next one is deference</strong> guys. Okay. D E F E R E N C E. I don't even know what this means. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It means that you're willing to quote unquote, defer your opinion to that person and, you know, in deference to you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So I'm gonna ask you what you think and whatever you think. I'm probably gonna say that's what </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I think. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:07]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. So <strong>deference, this is what Michael said. Submissive attitudes, behaviors, expressions as indicators or acceptance of claimed or sought superior's status of another. </strong>I don't understand </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">that meaning.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:23]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah. See my meaning was so can I read that again? It feels like my meeting was so much more succinct. It's like if you're working with, in my world programming, okay. Let's talk programming for just a second. If I'm working with a 22 year old wonderkind for whatever, subject, whatever part of technology, then I'm gonna listen to what they have to say about whatever it is they're coding, even though I've been coding way longer. In some cases, God, it's getting, it's getting tricky now longer than they've been alive. But if they know more about a given subject, I will say, cool, let me just, let me just listen to what you have to say and, and I'll figure some stuff out. I'll ask you some questions.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm not gonna necessarily jump in and challenge you on anything because I don't know anything, you know, I have to actually, so I defer to your superior skill. And I say that sometimes I defer, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> you know what, it's interesting when we came, when we moved. Okay. You all know that my, my family lived in the United States before I was born.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I ended up being born in the middle east. They went back and forth because whatever it was, it was hard to figure out, should we live here or should we live here? Mm-hmm . And so, but I remember there was so much admiration. There was so much deference. Is that how you say mm-hmm to the American man, the white American male?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That basically there was this, uh, what's the word I used again, it it's, um, an archetype of the great American hero, you know, the, the white Anglo Saxon, good looking man, American coming to save the day. And they are smart. They're beautiful. Handsome. They're strong. Like you name it. That's America.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">And Matt, just hold on. Let me put my hair back. Matt, just let me smooth my hair. so I just remember like, wow. Like all American men are like this because that's what came from my family. That's what came from my dad. Like, you know, it's to be admired and respected. And I remember when I reached an age and I looked at American men, I'm like, this man is not fit this man is not knowledgeable.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">This mat, this man not, oh, this man. Oh, Ooh. That's not what I meant. Mm-hmm no, no, no. This man is not intelligent. This man is not educated. This man is not understanding this man is not brave, like going down the list. I'm like, and then I started looking around mm-hmm I'm like, whoa, what happened? Has America always been this way?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">This man is sloppy. This man is ignorant. Like, do you know what I'm saying? Like, there was so much deference given to what the United States was. Right. And I'm wondering. You know, I don't, I don't even have to wonder what other people think about America right now, but anyway, should I go to the next one?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Sure. So <strong>the last one is acknowledgement. </strong>So, <strong>so far the four traits of having respect, the four elements of respect are tolerance, admiration, deference, and the last one is acknowledgement. </strong>And so this is how Michael put it. He said recognition of the positive value of the existence of another or his or her endeavors, traits, aptitudes achievements, et cetera, with no overtones or reluctance of the sort that tolerance, quote unquote tolerance suggests a simple nod of like quote unquote, hi, tip of the hat or vague smile can easily accomplish this.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Of all the forms of respect, this is the most basic and deserved without having to be earned in the absence of evident Hitlerian negatives. What does Hitlerian negatives mean? Do you have any idea? I have to look that up. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'd have to, I'd have to see it is ITUR or something. Hitler, negatives.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Capital. Yeah. I don't know. Let's let's not dwell on that word. Okay. Let's just not do it. I don't. So </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:50]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> we're gonna ignore it. Yes we are. I'm assuming it has to do with Hitler. It's capitalized. I don't. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh, that gets even weirder. Doesn't it? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:58]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I don't know. So what does that mean? Acknowledgement recognition of the positive value of the existence of another, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">His or her endeavors. Aptitudes achievements, et cetera, with no overtones of reluctance. What do you think he's trying to say here? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So because of tour de France is currently ongoing, I suppose. I'm riding my bike again. Yay. Cuz it's God, the weather's so pretty and wearing </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:24]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> your polka dotted Jersey wearing my </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:27]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> polka dotted shirt.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I don't have a Jersey. I'm not nuts. Oh, sorry. When I go riding, it's not in licro spandex. It's in. I I wear sweatpants and a t-shirt. Okay. And I go out super early in the morning anyways. Um, and usually the first person to pass me is, has white hair. It's just kind of how it goes here. And you know, I think I draw that in.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well, I call Colorado say, good </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> morning, can we go back? That's a Colorado thing. By the way, people are absurdly fit. Not everybody, but my God I was watching an Instagram thing, a. Someone was, uh, someone was at the red rocks. The red rocks are like these beautiful rock formations. And there are these bleachers.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's a concert venue. It's a concert venue. It's out in nature, like in the mountains. Is it in the mountains? We've never been. So it's these massive red rocks. It's quite gorgeous. So there was this one person who was running backwards from the bleachers. You know how like you can skip the bleachers, like run down the bleachers.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">This person was doing it backwards from up to all the way down. And the caption was something like Colorado people are weird like that. Well, if, if he slips that's, but he didn't, he didn't though, but I'm just saying they're absurdly fit. True. And like in Colorado here, we have like, All the most intense, um, races.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:54]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And we have an Ironman here. We have triathletes training here. We have Olympians training. The one of the Olympic training centers is in Colorado Springs. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:01]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. People come here to train for major athletic feats, which let's let's tip our hat to Wendy McMillan, happy apple vegan on Instagram. That's why she moved here.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">She's a major athlete. Don't mess with her. she's probably running and listening to this podcast right now. Hi, Wendy running miles 78 probably by now. Okay. I diagnose, can I go back </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> to my actual story or? Yeah, go ahead anyways. And so I I've been making it a point now to say good morning, like, and, or like, I, I put two fingers to my helmet to salute and everything, and you know what?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I get ignored sometimes. Sometimes I'll hear it back. Depends on how early in the morning I am. Because typically nicer people are out earlier in the morning, but I'll tell you when I, I got, I got passed by the octogenarian, so I was like, good morning. I couldn't see. I couldn't feel he just booked super fit. Just gone.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I don't even know if he heard me. I don't, I don't know what the story was. but I'll tell you, I got, I got passed by . I got passed by a woman and her body chemistry as she went past me and I said, good morning, shifted. I could feel her soften isn't the right word, cuz she was going for it. You know, I, I wasn't going particularly fast because yeah, I'm not that fit, but I could feel that she appreciated me</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">saying something and not just ignoring her mm-hmm and, and the same thing happened again. I was, I was, I was finishing my ride, uh, going up main street and, you know, I saw just an older woman and I said, good morning. And she immediately did the same thing. and it was because maybe they didn't feel recognized or heard lately.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Mm-hmm I, I couldn't tell you what the deal was. You know, most people were just happy to say, Hey, good morning. Mm-hmm . But in those two instances happened to both be female. I could tell </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:03]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> meant something, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">well, we especially need it now because our rights have been completely stripped and men are not saying a word.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Not a word. You're all, you all are, you are all quiet. And I, that's another thing that further enrages me anyway, but that's acknowledgeable. But see, that's how I felt when the cat came up to me. Right? Like it changed me in an instant because I felt that kindness, it was unexpected cuz you know, cats are aloof.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They don't give a, they don't care. But for this cat to sense that I needed kindness mm-hmm and came and offered so much kindness. My goodness, that that is kindness. That changes everything. So now I'm going to get to the definition of that. <strong> The etymology of kindness, the word kindness harcs back to the old English, kindness, which me, which meant nation.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We did a whole show on this. You.<strong> It means nation and has roots in the word. K I N kin as in one's family, race or relations, the word eventually evolved into our modern understanding of courtesy or noble deeds by the 14th century.</strong> There you have it, <strong>you can be kind without respecting the person.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Sometimes as I was trying to tell my friend last. In the wee hours in the morning, I'm like, she's like, why were you? So you were, why were, were you? We were in, it was the fight back and forth between the respect and the kindness. Mm-hmm <strong> I don't have to respect the person. I can still be kind. Sometimes the people that don't deserve your respect deserve your kindness.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>They need it. </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:53]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I would say deserve your kindness, cuz I think that that's something that's should be either freely given or </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">not freely given. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:59]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> All right. Let me put it this way. Society deserves you to be kind to the most hated person.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:08]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah, no that I can't argue with </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:10]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Because let's face it. There's a reason why they're the way they. and clearly they know they have no respect and clearly deep down, they know why, but they're so comfortable in their situation that they've built for themselves and if they were to veer away from that, it would prove to themselves how wrong they are.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that's painful to go away from. So to just offer some kindness doesn't mean you have to respect that person. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:39]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> True. Yeah. And the, the quick example I always come to is, um, unfortunately, yeah. And you're gonna disagree, but, um, when you're like serving the public it's I think, uh, it can be very important to be kind, even when you're dealing with so much like hate and anger.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Now that, of course there are limits, but </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:58]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> yeah,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I mean, this is a very deep subject. I'm gonna stop it here unless you wanna say something else, Matt, but I think it's good enough today to really look at the meaning of each word. And when you go about your day and you come across people that you don't like, and you will, especially nowadays think about the difference between kindness and respect</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and which one is warranted, which one is needed and why, and that's where I'm gonna leave it today. I love you so much. Thank you for listening, France, Bonjour! Je t'aime I mean, France, thank you so much for listening the whole country. Like I'm blown away by you all. I love you. I wish I could live there. I wish our whole family could live there thank you for all of you friends around the world for listening. Email me your thoughts. Go to our website, our friendly world. What is it again? Our friendly world podcast, doc, go there and, uh, click on contact us. And that will directly email me and then I'll be talking about it with Matt and then Matt will talk to you too.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">What are you looking like that for? Or is it our friendly world </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:13]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> with fun and Matt or </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> no? Our, our podcast is called our friendly world with Fawn and Matt, what is wrong with us? Please? Edit. Have we had coffee? No, I'm not gonna edit it. It's crazy. It's what happens when you're stressed. But's gonna get confused as far as what the URL, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The URL is our friendly world. What is it? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> hold on. There's too many dot coms running around, babe. You're </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:36]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> gonna have to edit it. It's https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/oh, okay.https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/ Better, stronger together. Remember https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/ we're here to transform our society into a friendlier one.</span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[Understanding what kindness actually is, as opposed to respect, means learning how we can use both of these things. And when we can use both of these things in our relationships. The word respect comes from the middle English from Latin respectus which means to look at, to regard. from R E, which means back. And then to that, you add S P E C E R E, which means to look at, so to look back on. The definition of respect is a relation or reference to a particular thing or a situation and an act of giving particular attention, consideration, like high or special regard, esteem, the quality or state of being esteemed; a positive feeling or action shown towards someone or something considered important or held in high esteem or regard. It conveys a sense of admiration for good or valuable qualities. Is respect earned or given? Respect is earned, not given suggests that if you want to be respected, you cannot force people to respect you just because you want them to. We aren't obliged to love or respect anyone just because they exist. It's like, You have to go through a series of things to, in a way earn that respect. Whereas kindness is not about earning it. Sometimes you have to be kind to the most hideous person, the most hideous acting person because that's what they need, because we all know that hurt people hurt. People that are in pain want to inflict pain on others. That's all they know. And maybe that's their way of being understood and being heard; when you feel my pain is when you're gonna feel what I'm going through. You will understand me better. It's really messed up, but I think that is unfortunately the way of things in our society.
 Let's really look at where it actually stems from this whole disrespect thing really starts the way we are raised as babies, the way that as soon as we're born, we have to be put into daycare the way that we just have to fend for ourselves the way we're told you're out by 18, 18, you're out, you better make your own money. You better be out of here. It's saying that you don't belong to the family, that you have to get the heck out. And I understand having a sense of responsibility and becoming independent, but that's a different issue from saying you need to get out. It's disrespectful. And we do it with the elders too. We, we put them in daycare. They're no longer part of the family. They're no longer under the same roof for different reasons. One is, you know, because the, the respect from generation to generation is not really considered, and there's no kindness in there, but there's really no respect. And so, yeah, even when we're not dealing with elders, we barely want to hang out during Thanksgiving. We can barely hang out at a kitchen table these days, because we are so split even more than ever before with our politics, with our right as human beings, as my right, as a woman, totally trampled on by your father. It's just, there's no listening. There's no understanding. There is no compassion or empathy for something that you may not be experiencing in your own life. And so what I was trying to tell my friend was what gets me mad is these people who have no respect and have no, they have no empathy until they experience the pain for themselves. That's the only time that they may consider another point of view is when theirs their life is. So put on the extreme for them to fully be immersed in what they thought they were against for them to understand it. Whereas you have to realize you don't have to live a certain way to understand someone. It takes empathy. It takes listening. It takes hearing the other person out. It t...]]>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;">We all have a compass needle within us knowing the true north.The direction that points directly toward the geographic north pole. This is a fixed point on the Earth's globe. That is the definition of true north. Like a compass points toward a magnetic field, your personal true north directs your path and pulls you forward to your personal place of perfection.<br /><br /> True north is an awareness of direction. It's a guidance, your orienting point, your fixed point in a spinning world that helps you stay on track. It's your internal compass unique to you and only you, representing who you are at your deepest level. True north is a sense of being at home within yourself. What feels good to you at your core is your true north.<br /><br /> Are we guided by logic? Are we guided by reason? Are we guided by math; by some rationale that makes perfect sense on paper or are we guided by intuition and feeling?<br /><br /> What if the logic and math don't make sense? What if intuition and spiritual guidance that you are asking for is silent? Like, you know, you could be spiritual, you could be religious, you could be whatever. Everyone asks, where am I supposed to go? What is happening? Do I turn right? Or do I turn left? Do I make this decision? Or this decision? What should I do? When you ask, you get that inner knowing of what to do, but what happens when you don't hear anything? It's like a deafening silence. It's a horrible feeling when you can't feel that guidance, when you don't hear or reply to your request. It leaves you with a feeling of being deeply alone. You can be surrounded by people. You can be in the midst of crowds, you know, and feel like you have friends and still feel this way.<br /><br /> As we travel in various directions, we use discernment and knowing at our core to actualize our path in life, by tuning to this true north, we feel our power. We feel centered. And we are attuned to our surroundings and to our global cosmic family, which brings us to the art of friendship and true north.<br /><br /> Physically being where you're supposed to be is just as important as being somewhere spiritually, being somewhere emotionally as you're true north. So finding the true north and the quest for deeper connection; connection with people, connection with where you're stepping, where you're walking on the earth, connection with the planet, connection with the universe; where are you in it?? How can we reconnect with that? How can we get to that place? For me also, going back to the art of friendship, true north is truly the connection to our global family.<br /><br /> It's even more important right now to find your inner true north and connect with your true, true Norths, which are your, your family members that bring you comfort and bring you strength. And so this is the quest today; to find that deeper connection. <br /></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong> As we navigate our lives, we experience unknowns. Change is not easy. It's a muscle you have to use and you have to work out. That's why, when, like we have so many people in our lives that are so old and rigid, you know, like Bruce Lee always said, was it Bruce Lee? Who said, be like bamboo, don't be like an Oak tree because bamboo will sway with the wind. But the Oak will break. We can go back to the teachings of Aikido, to be like water. You have to move and conform and change and yourself; mold yourself as you go through, you have to bend, you have to go with the flow and when you don't and this is with ideas, this is with just working out your body. This is with emotions. It's all of that. You have to constantly be with the flow. That's why surfers are so cool because every wave that comes is different and they can ride it instead of being swallowed up by it. And when they do get swallowed up by it, they come back and they ride the next. It's good because...</strong></span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[We all have a compass needle within us knowing the true north.The direction that points directly toward the geographic north pole. This is a fixed point on the Earth's globe. That is the definition of true north. Like a compass points toward a magnetic field, your personal true north directs your path and pulls you forward to your personal place of perfection. True north is an awareness of direction. It's a guidance, your orienting point, your fixed point in a spinning world that helps you stay on track. It's your internal compass unique to you and only you, representing who you are at your deepest level. True north is a sense of being at home within yourself. What feels good to you at your core is your true north. Are we guided by logic? Are we guided by reason? Are we guided by math; by some rationale that makes perfect sense on paper or are we guided by intuition and feeling? What if the logic and math don't make sense? What if intuition and spiritual guidance that you are asking for is silent? Like, you know, you could be spiritual, you could be religious, you could be whatever. Everyone asks, where am I supposed to go? What is happening? Do I turn right? Or do I turn left? Do I make this decision? Or this decision? What should I do? When you ask, you get that inner knowing of what to do, but what happens when you don't hear anything? It's like a deafening silence. It's a horrible feeling when you can't feel that guidance, when you don't hear or reply to your request. It leaves you with a feeling of being deeply alone. You can be surrounded by people. You can be in the midst of crowds, you know, and feel like you have friends and still feel this way. As we travel in various directions, we use discernment and knowing at our core to actualize our path in life, by tuning to this true north, we feel our power. We feel centered. And we are attuned to our surroundings and to our global cosmic family, which brings us to the art of friendship and true north. Physically being where you're supposed to be is just as important as being somewhere spiritually, being somewhere emotionally as you're true north. So finding the true north and the quest for deeper connection; connection with people, connection with where you're stepping, where you're walking on the earth, connection with the planet, connection with the universe; where are you in it?? How can we reconnect with that? How can we get to that place? For me also, going back to the art of friendship, true north is truly the connection to our global family. It's even more important right now to find your inner true north and connect with your true, true Norths, which are your, your family members that bring you comfort and bring you strength. And so this is the quest today; to find that deeper connection. 
 As we navigate our lives, we experience unknowns. Change is not easy. It's a muscle you have to use and you have to work out. That's why, when, like we have so many people in our lives that are so old and rigid, you know, like Bruce Lee always said, was it Bruce Lee? Who said, be like bamboo, don't be like an Oak tree because bamboo will sway with the wind. But the Oak will break. We can go back to the teachings of Aikido, to be like water. You have to move and conform and change and yourself; mold yourself as you go through, you have to bend, you have to go with the flow and when you don't and this is with ideas, this is with just working out your body. This is with emotions. It's all of that. You have to constantly be with the flow. That's why surfers are so cool because every wave that comes is different and they can ride it instead of being swallowed up by it. And when they do get swallowed up by it, they come back and they ride the next. It's good because...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;">We all have a compass needle within us knowing the true north.The direction that points directly toward the geographic north pole. This is a fixed point on the Earth's globe. That is the definition of true north. Like a compass points toward a magnetic field, your personal true north directs your path and pulls you forward to your personal place of perfection.<br /><br /> True north is an awareness of direction. It's a guidance, your orienting point, your fixed point in a spinning world that helps you stay on track. It's your internal compass unique to you and only you, representing who you are at your deepest level. True north is a sense of being at home within yourself. What feels good to you at your core is your true north.<br /><br /> Are we guided by logic? Are we guided by reason? Are we guided by math; by some rationale that makes perfect sense on paper or are we guided by intuition and feeling?<br /><br /> What if the logic and math don't make sense? What if intuition and spiritual guidance that you are asking for is silent? Like, you know, you could be spiritual, you could be religious, you could be whatever. Everyone asks, where am I supposed to go? What is happening? Do I turn right? Or do I turn left? Do I make this decision? Or this decision? What should I do? When you ask, you get that inner knowing of what to do, but what happens when you don't hear anything? It's like a deafening silence. It's a horrible feeling when you can't feel that guidance, when you don't hear or reply to your request. It leaves you with a feeling of being deeply alone. You can be surrounded by people. You can be in the midst of crowds, you know, and feel like you have friends and still feel this way.<br /><br /> As we travel in various directions, we use discernment and knowing at our core to actualize our path in life, by tuning to this true north, we feel our power. We feel centered. And we are attuned to our surroundings and to our global cosmic family, which brings us to the art of friendship and true north.<br /><br /> Physically being where you're supposed to be is just as important as being somewhere spiritually, being somewhere emotionally as you're true north. So finding the true north and the quest for deeper connection; connection with people, connection with where you're stepping, where you're walking on the earth, connection with the planet, connection with the universe; where are you in it?? How can we reconnect with that? How can we get to that place? For me also, going back to the art of friendship, true north is truly the connection to our global family.<br /><br /> It's even more important right now to find your inner true north and connect with your true, true Norths, which are your, your family members that bring you comfort and bring you strength. And so this is the quest today; to find that deeper connection. <br /></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong> As we navigate our lives, we experience unknowns. Change is not easy. It's a muscle you have to use and you have to work out. That's why, when, like we have so many people in our lives that are so old and rigid, you know, like Bruce Lee always said, was it Bruce Lee? Who said, be like bamboo, don't be like an Oak tree because bamboo will sway with the wind. But the Oak will break. We can go back to the teachings of Aikido, to be like water. You have to move and conform and change and yourself; mold yourself as you go through, you have to bend, you have to go with the flow and when you don't and this is with ideas, this is with just working out your body. This is with emotions. It's all of that. You have to constantly be with the flow. That's why surfers are so cool because every wave that comes is different and they can ride it instead of being swallowed up by it. And when they do get swallowed up by it, they come back and they ride the next. It's good because you're flexing your muscles. <br /><br /><br /><br /> It's good to feel this uncomfortableness, but what you're also feeling is homesickness. When you go through change, even where you come from, when you go to a new place, even when you come from a place you didn't like you end up missing that place because you're just used to it. And it's because, in a certain way, I think your muscles, your spiritual muscles, your emotional muscles, your physical muscles get atrophied in a way. They get used to not flexing. They get used to not being fluid. You just get used to that. You can become used to misery. And that's your comfort; that becomes your comfort because it's what, you know,<br /><br /> Remember that your home is inside you. Your home is your memories. Your home is your experience. Your home is in this big, beautiful universe of constant change. That is your home.<br /><br /> Another thing to keep in mind (something that in the United States is valued so much) is the notion that you are what you do for a living. A career is a means to just exchange services to get by in life. It's a barter system. Your true north is way deeper than that. Think about let's get back to the art of friendship and the true north, finding your true north in yourself, you can spot it out in other people. You find your family that way. It has nothing to do with coworkers. It has nothing to do with your career. It has nothing to do with your standing in society. Your true north is your true north throughout every lifetime throughout everything you do throughout all your careers.<br /> </strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong> You always have this one true north. And I think the problem, especially in our country is we don't even have time to reflect on that, to figure out what a true north actually is, what it is to feel a certain way. We don't have time because we're always in survival mode. That's why we don't have time to have friendships.<br /><br /> The best way for me to describe it is true north is that essence of pure love.</strong></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Welcome back. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:01]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> love you. My babies, my beautiful friends, our beautiful friends. Hello. All right. <strong>The direction that points directly toward the geographic north pole. This is a fixed point on the Earth's globe. That is the definition of true north. What I'm saying is like a compass points toward a magnetic field, your personal true north directs your path and pulls you forward to your personal place of perfection.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>True north is an awareness of direction. It's a guidance. True north is your orienting point, your fixed point in a spinning world that helps you stay on track. True north is your internal compass unique to you and only you, representing who you are at your deepest level. True north is a sense of being at home within yourself.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>Are we guided by logic? Are we guided by reason? Are we guided by math; by some rationale that makes perfect sense on paper or are we guided by intuition and feeling?</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">I definitely am purely intuition and feeling Matt is totally logical.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Not totally.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:19]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, I can say I'm not totally either. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And there you go. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So. <strong>What if the logic and math don't make sense? What if intuition and spiritual guidance that you are asking for is silent? Like, you know, you could be spiritual, you could be religious, you could be whatever. Everyone asks, where am I supposed to go?</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>What is happening? Do I turn right? Or do I turn left? Do I make this decision? Or this decision? What should I do? When you ask, you get that inner knowing of what to do, but what happens when you don't hear anything? It's like a deafening silence. </strong>It's horrible. You know, ever since I was a kid, I would hear voices and I call it spirit.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">I have always different forms of angels and I've always had guidance ever since I can remember. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:14]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Mm-hmm </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I remember things from when I was in diapers. And no one believed me when I was a kid, but I could recite word for word what an adult in the room said when I was an infant. And it was true.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like I would blow these people away because I remember stuff. And I remember my guidance and I remember asking questions and there have been so many times where. I felt, or didn't hear anything coming back to me like, hello, are you still with me? Am I alone? It's horrible.<strong> It's a horrible feeling when you can't feel that guidance, when you don't hear or reply to your request,</strong> like, are you out there?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Are you still helping me? Am I... what's going on? You know? Right. It's that deafening silence. Um, it, it just it's.<strong> It leaves you with a feeling of being deeply alone.</strong> Like I said, in a state of deafening silence. <strong>You can be surrounded by people. You can be in the midst of crowds, you know, and feel like you have friends and still feel this way.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So this guidance that I'm talking about is the true north<strong>. We all have a compass needle within us knowing the true north</strong>, we can still travel in any direction we choose. So like you have a compass, it tells you this is north, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:47]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It doesn't mean that you go north. It means you can go any direction you choose, but you know, this is north.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So if you do wanna go south, you go south, but you, you have that constant guidance of this is south because that's north. So the directions that you take in life or the decisions that you make, as long as you know what your true north is, it's okay. Because you can reroute yourself and know, okay, I'm going south here.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">in however way you wanna take that. Sometimes you do wanna go south. Sometimes you do wanna go and feel irate about something. Sometimes you do need to give someone a spiritual kick in the pants. You're not always going to be living in true north, but you have that inner compass, that needle, that points to this is who you really are here.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">This is your true north. And it's a feeling. Last week, we were talking about comfort. And you're like, why did you keep talking about true north? It's because it's been on my mind and it's similar. That comfort feeling I think is similar to when you're trying to find your compass. <strong>What feels good to you at your core is your true north.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">What makes you feel strong and centered; that is where your true north is. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:13]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You stole my point. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> well, let me, let me keep talking. I'm sure you have many points, Matt. So, like I said,<strong> we can still travel in any direction we choose. We use discernment and knowing at our core to actualize our path in life, by tuning to this true north, we feel our power.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>We feel centered. And we are attuned to our surroundings and to our global cosmic family, which brings me back to the art of friendship and true north.</strong> </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">What brought this up for me was after many, many years of being away from an ocean, cause we live in the middle of the continent. I was literally dipping my, my toes into the Atlantic.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I had never, I don't think I've ever done that in my life, on the American continent. And I was sitting there and I was texting someone and she was saying, yeah, that's my true north right there. Where you, where you are because, we were staying at her house. She was away and I'm like, yeah, you are right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">This is true north for me too. It felt so good that I started to cry, happy tears. It was like coming back to a friend, it was like coming back to an elder. It was like being enveloped in a loving parents' arms, uh, a certain guidance you feel a certain safety you feel of home, a sense of home. A sense of peace and a sense of strength.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then I started crying because it felt like it was the kind of crying where you're like, where have you been all this time? Like, where have I been all this time? And where have you been all this time? You know, my location, where have I been . And so I, every day, since then, I've been thinking about true north and what that is.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I've been craving for my true north physically, geographically for so long. Have you ever been in a place where you just feel like you're not jiving with that place? I feel like it just, it, I can't sink in. I can't get rooted in a particular geographic point on, on some parts of the planet. It's not, for me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm not intended to be there. I'm. A dolphin that needs to be in the ocean, but I'm living in the middle of the continent away from water. And I can't, I I'm, I'm sad because I need to be where my true north is physically. I have my true north in me in my spirit, but I think the two need to work hand in hand, you do need to find where you belong.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Because <strong>physically being where you're supposed to be is just as important as being somewhere spiritually, being somewhere emotionally as you're true north. So finding the true north and the quest for deeper connection; connection with people, connection with where you're stepping, where you're walking on the earth, connection with the planet, connection with the universe; where are you in it??</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>How can we reconnect with that? How can we get to that place? For me also, going back to the art of friendship, true north is truly the connection to our global family.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And it's, it's hard for me to say that right now, especially since I disagree with so many people. Especially in my country right now that are against human rights. The people that are against human rights period, against, against women's rights, against the right to love. Whoever you wanna love, against being a culture that you are.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Against looking a certain way against you name it. It's so hard for me to connect with that and be like, we are one family. And you're my true north. When I look at so many, so much of the population and I'm thinking this is far from true north, what is this? So <strong>it's even more important right now to find your inner true north and connect with your true, true Norths, which are your, your family members that bring you comfort and bring you strength.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>And so this is the quest today; to find that deeper connection. </strong>How do we get there and why did it take me years to get back to an ocean?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">How about you? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:02]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Different completely different sensibilities of course, on my side, because I am more governed by logic. And for me, it's about new pieces of information coming in and changing where my true north, where my center really lies sometimes. And these have happened historically through time and, it's just a way of rewriting</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">how things go. So, for me, I certainly, yes, I did miss the ocean. Did I think of the ocean as my true north? No, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:28]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> that's my personal true north. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">i, but I missed the ocean for sure. It's just, yeah, it's very, very tricky. It's like just a completely take us over in the left field. But once upon a time, a man named Copernicus had the gall to say that the earth was not the center of the universe, which is called heliocentric.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And everybody around him got super mad because, everybody likes to believe they are the center of everything. And when he said, well, we circled the sun and the sun is one of many suns and on and on and on, it really affected people in such a negative way, in such a violent way. And point of fact, I think </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> he was probably wait.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Why do you think that is? Why do people get, so bent out of shape? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:08]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> We get attached, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">we get attached to comfortable things. We get attached to our center. And when somebody takes our center away from us, it's a hard thing to think about. And I always call </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:19]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> it like, or maybe they realize, or maybe someone points out that is truly not your center.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">you know what I mean? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, it's truly not just the center. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:27]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right? Exactly. That there's something else that makes them feel like they're in a free fall, maybe. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:32]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Exactly. Whereas I think of it as, really having to digest this new piece of information and that rewrites as you will my worldview is how I describe it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Cuz of course the industry I'm in computers. Yeah. Welcome to. We didn't have smartphones when smartphones happen that changed everything when and things keep changing. So I'm more ironically, even though I loathe change, I'm exposed to it all the time and I really, really do not like change, but yet I've figured out how to get comfortable, at least in the technical aspects of things.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But then I don't. I don't want other aspects to change. It's kind of </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">funny, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:11]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> As we were looking for where we should live and we ended up traveling all over the place, our youngest came to me really sad in the midst of like such beauty. We were surrounded in and she's like, I just realized; cuz I was walking around saying, oh, I'm realizing things about myself.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">And so it, I think it led her to have the vocabulary to say, you know, I'm realizing something about myself. I'm realizing that I don't like change. It's really scary to me. I don't like it, even though she really loved being there. Mm-hmm I, and I'm like, I think, I think I know what it is you're feeling, it's a part of many things.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">One is <strong>change is not easy. It's a muscle you have to use and you have to work out. That's why, when, like we have so many people in our lives that are so old and rigid, you know, like Bruce Lee always said, was it Bruce Lee? Who said, be like bamboo, don't be like an Oak tree because bamboo will sway with the wind.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>But the Oak will break. Is it the </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>Oak? </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:15]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> <strong>Yeah, it is the Oak, but I'm reasonably sure it's not. Um, </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:19]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>it wasn't Bruce?</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:20]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> <strong> I think it's older than Bruce, but we can go back to, Aikido, be like water. </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>Yeah. You have to move and conform and change and yourself; mold yourself as you go through, you have to bend, you have to go with the flow and when you don't and this is with ideas, this is with</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>just working out your body. </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> <strong>Mm-hmm </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:42]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong>this is with emotions. It's all of that. You have to constantly be with the flow. That's why surfers are so cool because every wave that comes is different and they can ride it instead of being swallowed up by it. And when they do get swallowed up by it, they come back and they ride the next.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Hopefully, hopefully. Um, so I was telling her, so it's either that, so <strong>it's good because you're flexing your muscles. </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:08]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> <strong>Mm-hmm.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> <strong> It's good to feel this uncomfortableness, but what you're also feeling is a home sickness. When you go through change, even where you come from, when you go to a new place, even when you come from a place you didn't like you end up missing that place because you're just used to it.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>And it's because in a certain way, I think your muscles, your spiritual muscles, your emotional muscles, your physical muscles get atrophied in a way. They get used to not flexing. They get used to not being</strong> <strong>fluid. You just get used to that. You can become used to misery.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>And that's your comfort; that becomes your comfort because it's what, you know,</strong> So we were talking about this and I'm like, <strong>remember that your home is inside you. Your home are your memories. Your home is your experiences. Your home is in this big, beautiful universe of constant change. That is your home.</strong> And we went about our day </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:13]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> well, I would also say it's certainly.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">When you're in your rhythm, like for example, living in a place it's like, you know, where the mailbox is, you know, when the mail gets delivered, you know, when the trash gets picked up or whatever, or when you take the trash normally to the dump or whatever it is. You get used to the rhythms of a given place.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And on some level it's like your mind gets to kinda shut down about it. Right. And when you're in a new place, all of a sudden everything's firing. So it's literally like I'm studying Spanish. And for me it's like, there's no kind of shortcuts. And, and the way things get described, you have to be present to it and you have to, it's like, it feels like there are no shortcuts. Every sentence feels longer than it would be in English is how it kind of feels to me. And so you have to, and your pronunciation and all the rest of it. So you're, it's the same way when you move someplace new, it's like, well, you have to figure out so many things. It's exhausting.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:11]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It is it's uh, yeah. Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">We rented a car for a week. I did. Most of, I did most of the driving, which I hate to drive by the way, driving for me. I'm, I'm praying for a time in our society when, where no one drives cars, I don't like it. And I don't like being on a highway. And especially when it's raining and you can't see the lanes mm-hmm and you know, you have like certain drivers in different geographic locations have different personalities with their driving.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And they're aggressive. Some of them and so I'm not aggressive. I'm like, Hey, everybody calm down. Like, why must you be driving 95 miles per hour or 75? It's like the speed limit. You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm so if I'm driving and if the speed limit is 75 and I'm driving 70. Oh my God. Like the people behind me, like, they're so angry, like.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Just go around me. like, what it just whatever I'm I'm digress saying, what was I saying? Oh yeah, the car. So we rented a car and we get into it. I'm like, I don't understand this thing. I don't understand how to turn it on even! Like, everything about the car was totally different than the car we have at home. And so honestly, I had no idea how anything worked.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. Well, like it didn't even have a key, it was a keyless car. Like putting the brake on or, uh, um, unlocking the brake when you're wanting to drive or, or like if you had your foot on the brake at a stoplight, the car would turn off. And that was disconcerting. Cause I, you know, I'm used to having old cars that break down, I'm like, Ooh, it's the car broke down.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> well also when you take your foot off the brake, then all of a sudden the car starts and you can feel that little shutter. Yeah. And </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:01]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> then yeah, the shaking, like the, the, the jolting back and forth, it was just weird. Right? It was. And then when we came back and we got into our own car, I didn't know how to drive our car.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:12]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, and we've had, it has like 85 buttons too. Oh my God. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Our car we've had for how many years? For a long time. Right? I couldn't remember how to open the hatch. You know, the back, the back the trunk. I couldn't remember. Like it took one week for me to forget how to use the car we've driven for years. it was weird.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It was, and I'm like, whoa, this car feels so different. It's uncomfortable. Our old car that was so comfortable to me. Mm-hmm was like uncomfortable. And next thing I know I was feeling homesick for the car I didn't like. I was for a second. Mm-hmm for a few seconds. I understand. I was like, whoa, the other car was smoother and lighter.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">you know what I mean? No, I love our car though. I love our car, but. Well, you know, love, like I enjoy our car anyway. Um, how does this relate to true north? Did we digress </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">completely? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:08]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> We did, yet didn't because I would just say for me, true north isn't necessarily a fixed place and it's certainly I not a fixed place that never</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">changes, you know, certainly when I was young, I thought maybe I wanted to be a farmer. And then I thought maybe I wanted to be a professional gambler and, and on and on and on. So if you look at true north, as far as a career path </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">goes, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:29]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> no, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:29]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it moved. But the thing is, that's not true. North true north has nothing to do with your career path.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well, that's an aspect of, to me,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:37]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> no, that is where that is where you're going in life. So like I said, true north, is there. You're looking at a compass, you're going Northwest. You're going like all these other infinite degrees or infinite degrees or all you have all these degrees of different directions you can go, but there's only one true north in you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Your career has nothing to do with it. It's who you are at your core. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Nothing? (Matt takes an exalted breath)</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Nothing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:02]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, okay then</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:03]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> no,<strong> a career is a means to just exchange services to get by in life. It's a barter system. Your true north is way deeper than that. Think about let's get back to the art of friendship and the true north, finding your true north in yourself,</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>you can spot it out in other people. You find your family that way. It has nothing to do with coworkers. It has nothing to do with your career. It has nothing to do with your standing in society. Your true north is your true north throughout every lifetime throughout everything you do throughout all the careers.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>You have, you always have this one true north. And I think the problem, especially in our country is we don't even have time to reflect on that, to figure out what a true north actually is, what it is to feel a certain way. We don't have time because we're always in survival mode. That's why we don't have time to have friendships.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that's why people get offended when I say you don't really have true friendships. Let's take a look at it so we can have a deeper connection so we can have the true friendship is because we're so, because of the survival mode thing, we're just concerned with me and mine. How am I gonna pay the rent? How am I gonna pay the mortgage?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">How am I gonna get food? How am I gonna feed the family? How am I going to do this? How am I gonna do that? And we're so enveloped in all that stuff that it takes us away from true north. That's when the compass starts spinning and you have no idea which way is up. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So you would say that people have exactly one true north and it's about, and some people spend their entire lifetimes and never sort out what that is.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:45]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:46]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It's just, it's a matter of when I was five I thought it was this when I was eight, then I got more clarity </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:53]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and it became, that's just, it, it's not about thinking. I thought that it was. Yeah, but it's not about thinking is what I'm saying. You have to feel it because it is at your core.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">It's not physical. It is an entity of its own. It's like divine. It is everything. It is, it is who you are. And I think <strong>the best way for me to describe it is true north is that essence of pure love. </strong>Why are</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">you looking </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">at me like that? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It's just, it, it, it's just the way we see the world, because for me, It's not necessarily an intuitive process. It's not a, you know, I know when I'm doing things that feel right. And I know when I'm doing things that feel wrong or feel right in the moment, but my true north is a more logical construct.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I think </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:45]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> that's because you've been trained. Into being this binary like clock, or like she used the word binary. You're like, beep beep pop, pop computer minded person </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:54]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> oh, Lord </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> person, you see patterns, you see like everything like a matrix, but at the core of that, you're still feeling it. And I think you want to label it as ABC or 1, 2, 3, or zeros and ones, if you will, in your computer world.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:11]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> yeah, certainly it brings me comfort to do that, but I think that there's a truth to it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What is the truth to that? I mean, what is, how can you, so you're trying to break it down. I'm saying, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> of course, I'm trying to break it down. That's what I do. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's what you do, but just, but you did say it, it comes to a feeling so you can use all the math you want, but really comes back to intuition and it comes back to this divine guide that is you. You are at the core of that because you are of, of the infinite. You are the universe. You are the center. Matt is just giving me this look. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:47]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I can't argue with this. So what am I, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> you know, that's it, that's it for our show today. thanks for listening everybody. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:53]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh, she likes her. When </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I say I can't argue with it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:56]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> DOOW!</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">I don't like arguing. I'm not a good debater. Because then I, I don't know, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:02]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> apologia,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:05]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I don't, I know what I know. And I know that you can't break it down. You have to feel it. It's like trying to describe, I don't know. You know, I've met so many religious people in my life traveling and when I was younger, I'm like, Hmm.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The people that were so religious, I was like, well, how can you prove that there is a God, you know, like I would ask that question. Right. And they would always say, I can't, it's a feeling and I'm, I'm not trying to talk on a religious, religious, uh, level here. I I'm try trying. I'm just trying to be speaking on a level of pure love and sometimes with some religions,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">love gets taken out of it. I find that certain, religions can get into a form of control, controlling the masses. That's my personal opinion. But at the root of all religion, I think really is love. And that's what I wanna focus on. And that's what I'm saying.<strong> True north. It really is</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>it's that part in you that you can't define and you can't explain and you can't prove. And I think the closest way to understanding it and to feeling it is to feel it.</strong> And so, you know, maybe you <strong>test it out when you meet people, see how you truly feel. But you have to be really honest with how you're feeling, because initially you may have a spark for a split second that says this person is dangerous, but then for whatever reason you convince yourself otherwise, and then later you realize that person was not okay for me to be around. And I think it's the same way. Like you can travel, you can walk around and you can really feel where you are stepping. How does that feel for you?</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>Are you feeling more empowered or are you feeling shaky? Are you feeling not strong or strong? It's like looking at the compass. If you want a certain feeling, you have to figure out what your base is, what is your base, which is what is your true north. And so when you go west or east or south or whatever other direction, you can recognize the difference.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>And then you can re navigate back to finding that really good feeling. And you do that with people too. And that's how you can find your true north friend. And I think that's how you can find the deeper connections,</strong> <strong>as long as you can ask yourself these questions of how do I feel? Am I strong? Am I weak?</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>Is my energy gone? Do I feel energized? Do I feel happy? And when you're in a place and you feel relieved? I'll speak for myself. Like when I was sitting there on the sand, I felt relieved. I felt all the pressure go away. I felt like I didn't have to explain anything because the ocean knew. And with every wave that came.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>And got swept away. It took away part of my sadness,</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>you know, like a parent that I always wanted that can just hug you and realize your pain and just take it away by being compassionate. And I think when you're in your true north, you feel that that's all taken care of for you because you connect to your own personal, true north. And when you connect to that, you can recognize it in others and then you can build family from there.</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's what I have to say. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:34]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Certainly. Yes. When you're centered, you're more aware. You're more alert. You're more connected of course, because that's the whole definition of centered is, you know, I'm, I'm here. I I'm in my strength, I'm in my strong place or whatever you want to call it. So yeah, I can totally see that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> so that's it. What is your true north? I hope that you recognize me as your true north because I'm your friend I'm here for you and thank you. Thank you. We love you. thanks for listening. I think that's all I have to say. Do you have anything to add Matt shakes his head? No, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> okay. Which is really good in a strictly audio.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Medium. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> All right. I love you so much. Thank you for listening. We'll talk to you in just a few days. Be well, bye.</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[We all have a compass needle within us knowing the true north.The direction that points directly toward the geographic north pole. This is a fixed point on the Earth's globe. That is the definition of true north. Like a compass points toward a magnetic field, your personal true north directs your path and pulls you forward to your personal place of perfection. True north is an awareness of direction. It's a guidance, your orienting point, your fixed point in a spinning world that helps you stay on track. It's your internal compass unique to you and only you, representing who you are at your deepest level. True north is a sense of being at home within yourself. What feels good to you at your core is your true north. Are we guided by logic? Are we guided by reason? Are we guided by math; by some rationale that makes perfect sense on paper or are we guided by intuition and feeling? What if the logic and math don't make sense? What if intuition and spiritual guidance that you are asking for is silent? Like, you know, you could be spiritual, you could be religious, you could be whatever. Everyone asks, where am I supposed to go? What is happening? Do I turn right? Or do I turn left? Do I make this decision? Or this decision? What should I do? When you ask, you get that inner knowing of what to do, but what happens when you don't hear anything? It's like a deafening silence. It's a horrible feeling when you can't feel that guidance, when you don't hear or reply to your request. It leaves you with a feeling of being deeply alone. You can be surrounded by people. You can be in the midst of crowds, you know, and feel like you have friends and still feel this way. As we travel in various directions, we use discernment and knowing at our core to actualize our path in life, by tuning to this true north, we feel our power. We feel centered. And we are attuned to our surroundings and to our global cosmic family, which brings us to the art of friendship and true north. Physically being where you're supposed to be is just as important as being somewhere spiritually, being somewhere emotionally as you're true north. So finding the true north and the quest for deeper connection; connection with people, connection with where you're stepping, where you're walking on the earth, connection with the planet, connection with the universe; where are you in it?? How can we reconnect with that? How can we get to that place? For me also, going back to the art of friendship, true north is truly the connection to our global family. It's even more important right now to find your inner true north and connect with your true, true Norths, which are your, your family members that bring you comfort and bring you strength. And so this is the quest today; to find that deeper connection. 
 As we navigate our lives, we experience unknowns. Change is not easy. It's a muscle you have to use and you have to work out. That's why, when, like we have so many people in our lives that are so old and rigid, you know, like Bruce Lee always said, was it Bruce Lee? Who said, be like bamboo, don't be like an Oak tree because bamboo will sway with the wind. But the Oak will break. We can go back to the teachings of Aikido, to be like water. You have to move and conform and change and yourself; mold yourself as you go through, you have to bend, you have to go with the flow and when you don't and this is with ideas, this is with just working out your body. This is with emotions. It's all of that. You have to constantly be with the flow. That's why surfers are so cool because every wave that comes is different and they can ride it instead of being swallowed up by it. And when they do get swallowed up by it, they come back and they ride the next. It's good because...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The Art of Comfort]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2022 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">The whole sense of comfort and having a friend who is your witness in life is that there is a treasure in when you and a friend are not on equal footing when they are not in the thick of things that you're in the midst of. There's a balance. This is a balancing gift. This is one of the many ways the action of comfort can really be felt. Sometimes when friends are not equal, one tends to assume, especially in the beginning when one friend may assume that you're weak or you don't know how to do something because you may not be in that exact state of mind to be showing your expertise. So then they take the role of “I know better” and they assume the role of mentor. And so these roles get established. As time goes on, you develop ways in which you can unfold in front of one another, and you can see your gifts and you can see as time goes on, that one person is strong one moment, the other person is weak and then it flips. It's the turning of the world. It's the rising and setting of the sun. It's the same way with our lives and our experiences and our friendships. Our relationships are like that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">Oftentimes you get put in a situation where you're emotionally connected and you're not thinking through things clearly and logically and the other person, your friend can see more clearly, and while they're emotionally connected to you personally, they're not emotionally connected to your problem at the moment. So they can see things more objectively and you're more apt to listen to them because you do have the emotional connection to them so they can help dig you out of your hole. It's one of the few cases where logic can't get you out of a place that emotion has gotten you into.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:small;">Sometimes it's enough to hit the pause button on your life for 15 minutes. And then jump back into it with a renewed sense and an understanding that the earth is still spinning around the sun. It's still spinning around the universe and everything. It's good to actually get back to that sense of perspective because sometimes it is just that the dishwasher broke where that seems like such an enormous ginormous unsolvable problem, but really, it's good to have somebody remind you that everything has a solution. This is where comfort comes in; how our friendships are a source of comfort.<br /><br />So let's get into the definition of comfort: from the 13th century, the meaning is to cheer up, console, soothe, to soothe when in grief or trouble; to help, to strengthen. The noun, which originated if you look at the etymology of it, circa 1200 is the feeling of relief in affliction or sorrow, solace, pleasure, and enjoyment. To solace is to help; to strengthen. And isn't that what we do for each other? </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">From old English word in the same sense was <em>frofor</em>, meaning the state of enjoyment resulting from the satisfaction of bodily wants and freedom from anxiety. And then there's the middle English meaning, which means strength, support encouragement. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">Dictionary.com defines comfort as a verb to soothe, console, reassure, and bring cheer to. And then the noun is the relief in affliction consolation solace. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">So what is comfort? Psychologist, Kolcaba, talked about three elements of comfort that revolves around relief, ease, and transcendence.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">Tune in to this episode on how we can find comfort on our own and within our relationships. </span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[The whole sense of comfort and having a friend who is your witness in life is that there is a treasure in when you and a friend are not on equal footing when they are not in the thick of things that you're in the midst of. There's a balance. This is a balancing gift. This is one of the many ways the action of comfort can really be felt. Sometimes when friends are not equal, one tends to assume, especially in the beginning when one friend may assume that you're weak or you don't know how to do something because you may not be in that exact state of mind to be showing your expertise. So then they take the role of “I know better” and they assume the role of mentor. And so these roles get established. As time goes on, you develop ways in which you can unfold in front of one another, and you can see your gifts and you can see as time goes on, that one person is strong one moment, the other person is weak and then it flips. It's the turning of the world. It's the rising and setting of the sun. It's the same way with our lives and our experiences and our friendships. Our relationships are like that.
Oftentimes you get put in a situation where you're emotionally connected and you're not thinking through things clearly and logically and the other person, your friend can see more clearly, and while they're emotionally connected to you personally, they're not emotionally connected to your problem at the moment. So they can see things more objectively and you're more apt to listen to them because you do have the emotional connection to them so they can help dig you out of your hole. It's one of the few cases where logic can't get you out of a place that emotion has gotten you into.

Sometimes it's enough to hit the pause button on your life for 15 minutes. And then jump back into it with a renewed sense and an understanding that the earth is still spinning around the sun. It's still spinning around the universe and everything. It's good to actually get back to that sense of perspective because sometimes it is just that the dishwasher broke where that seems like such an enormous ginormous unsolvable problem, but really, it's good to have somebody remind you that everything has a solution. This is where comfort comes in; how our friendships are a source of comfort.So let's get into the definition of comfort: from the 13th century, the meaning is to cheer up, console, soothe, to soothe when in grief or trouble; to help, to strengthen. The noun, which originated if you look at the etymology of it, circa 1200 is the feeling of relief in affliction or sorrow, solace, pleasure, and enjoyment. To solace is to help; to strengthen. And isn't that what we do for each other? 
From old English word in the same sense was frofor, meaning the state of enjoyment resulting from the satisfaction of bodily wants and freedom from anxiety. And then there's the middle English meaning, which means strength, support encouragement. 
Dictionary.com defines comfort as a verb to soothe, console, reassure, and bring cheer to. And then the noun is the relief in affliction consolation solace. 
So what is comfort? Psychologist, Kolcaba, talked about three elements of comfort that revolves around relief, ease, and transcendence.
Tune in to this episode on how we can find comfort on our own and within our relationships. 
https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
https://www.facebook.com/FriendlyWorldPodca...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">The whole sense of comfort and having a friend who is your witness in life is that there is a treasure in when you and a friend are not on equal footing when they are not in the thick of things that you're in the midst of. There's a balance. This is a balancing gift. This is one of the many ways the action of comfort can really be felt. Sometimes when friends are not equal, one tends to assume, especially in the beginning when one friend may assume that you're weak or you don't know how to do something because you may not be in that exact state of mind to be showing your expertise. So then they take the role of “I know better” and they assume the role of mentor. And so these roles get established. As time goes on, you develop ways in which you can unfold in front of one another, and you can see your gifts and you can see as time goes on, that one person is strong one moment, the other person is weak and then it flips. It's the turning of the world. It's the rising and setting of the sun. It's the same way with our lives and our experiences and our friendships. Our relationships are like that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">Oftentimes you get put in a situation where you're emotionally connected and you're not thinking through things clearly and logically and the other person, your friend can see more clearly, and while they're emotionally connected to you personally, they're not emotionally connected to your problem at the moment. So they can see things more objectively and you're more apt to listen to them because you do have the emotional connection to them so they can help dig you out of your hole. It's one of the few cases where logic can't get you out of a place that emotion has gotten you into.</span></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">Sometimes it's enough to hit the pause button on your life for 15 minutes. And then jump back into it with a renewed sense and an understanding that the earth is still spinning around the sun. It's still spinning around the universe and everything. It's good to actually get back to that sense of perspective because sometimes it is just that the dishwasher broke where that seems like such an enormous ginormous unsolvable problem, but really, it's good to have somebody remind you that everything has a solution. This is where comfort comes in; how our friendships are a source of comfort.<br /><br />So let's get into the definition of comfort: from the 13th century, the meaning is to cheer up, console, soothe, to soothe when in grief or trouble; to help, to strengthen. The noun, which originated if you look at the etymology of it, circa 1200 is the feeling of relief in affliction or sorrow, solace, pleasure, and enjoyment. To solace is to help; to strengthen. And isn't that what we do for each other? </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">From old English word in the same sense was <em>frofor</em>, meaning the state of enjoyment resulting from the satisfaction of bodily wants and freedom from anxiety. And then there's the middle English meaning, which means strength, support encouragement. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">Dictionary.com defines comfort as a verb to soothe, console, reassure, and bring cheer to. And then the noun is the relief in affliction consolation solace. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">So what is comfort? Psychologist, Kolcaba, talked about three elements of comfort that revolves around relief, ease, and transcendence.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">Tune in to this episode on how we can find comfort on our own and within our relationships. </span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[The whole sense of comfort and having a friend who is your witness in life is that there is a treasure in when you and a friend are not on equal footing when they are not in the thick of things that you're in the midst of. There's a balance. This is a balancing gift. This is one of the many ways the action of comfort can really be felt. Sometimes when friends are not equal, one tends to assume, especially in the beginning when one friend may assume that you're weak or you don't know how to do something because you may not be in that exact state of mind to be showing your expertise. So then they take the role of “I know better” and they assume the role of mentor. And so these roles get established. As time goes on, you develop ways in which you can unfold in front of one another, and you can see your gifts and you can see as time goes on, that one person is strong one moment, the other person is weak and then it flips. It's the turning of the world. It's the rising and setting of the sun. It's the same way with our lives and our experiences and our friendships. Our relationships are like that.
Oftentimes you get put in a situation where you're emotionally connected and you're not thinking through things clearly and logically and the other person, your friend can see more clearly, and while they're emotionally connected to you personally, they're not emotionally connected to your problem at the moment. So they can see things more objectively and you're more apt to listen to them because you do have the emotional connection to them so they can help dig you out of your hole. It's one of the few cases where logic can't get you out of a place that emotion has gotten you into.

Sometimes it's enough to hit the pause button on your life for 15 minutes. And then jump back into it with a renewed sense and an understanding that the earth is still spinning around the sun. It's still spinning around the universe and everything. It's good to actually get back to that sense of perspective because sometimes it is just that the dishwasher broke where that seems like such an enormous ginormous unsolvable problem, but really, it's good to have somebody remind you that everything has a solution. This is where comfort comes in; how our friendships are a source of comfort.So let's get into the definition of comfort: from the 13th century, the meaning is to cheer up, console, soothe, to soothe when in grief or trouble; to help, to strengthen. The noun, which originated if you look at the etymology of it, circa 1200 is the feeling of relief in affliction or sorrow, solace, pleasure, and enjoyment. To solace is to help; to strengthen. And isn't that what we do for each other? 
From old English word in the same sense was frofor, meaning the state of enjoyment resulting from the satisfaction of bodily wants and freedom from anxiety. And then there's the middle English meaning, which means strength, support encouragement. 
Dictionary.com defines comfort as a verb to soothe, console, reassure, and bring cheer to. And then the noun is the relief in affliction consolation solace. 
So what is comfort? Psychologist, Kolcaba, talked about three elements of comfort that revolves around relief, ease, and transcendence.
Tune in to this episode on how we can find comfort on our own and within our relationships. 
https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
https://www.facebook.com/FriendlyWorldPodca...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[How to Tell What Kind of Friendship You have]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2022 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><strong>There are three types of friends. There are those people who are friends with you because they get stuff from you. There are those people who are friends with you because of the way you make them feel. And there are the people who just love you. Okay. Those would be the three types of friends and obviously, we would love and if every single one of our friends was quote-unquote type three, who loves us, just cuz.<br />So how do we figure this out?<br /><br /><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a><br /></strong></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Enjoying your coffee?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:06]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Maybe a little.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:07]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hi, good morning. Good morning over here, where we are right now. Good evening. Good afternoon. And hello everyone. How are you? What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? Ah, welcome back everybody. So, how do you know, how do you know, what kind of friend you have, Matt??</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> How do you know? Well, first, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:28]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> well, first of all, Matt always has a way to spot things out immediately. And then when you ask and then he'll like tell you the most messed up stuff about someone that you think, well, I think is okay, cause I have this Disney or Pollyanna version of the world. And then he'll whisper to me later.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">How this person is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:51]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> no good.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Uh, sometimes, sometimes not, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">some, well, I'm just saying like the times I've been totally shocked by your assessment within a few seconds. And the weird thing is you're right. How do you do it? And then when I ask you for advice, you never have anything for </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">me, </span></span></p>
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[00:00:07] Fawn: Hi, good morning. Good morning over here, where we are right now. Good evening. Good afternoon. And hello everyone. How are you? What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? Ah, welcome back everybody. So, how do you know, how do you know, what kind of friend you have, Matt??
[00:00:26] Matt: How do you know? Well, first, 
[00:00:28] Fawn: well, first of all, Matt always has a way to spot things out immediately. And then when you ask and then he'll like tell you the most messed up stuff about someone that you think, well, I think is okay, cause I have this Disney or Pollyanna version of the world. And then he'll whisper to me later.
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[00:00:51] Matt: no good.
 Uh, sometimes, sometimes not, 
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some, well, I'm just saying like the times I've been totally shocked by your assessment within a few seconds. And the weird thing is you're right. How do you do it? And then when I ask you for advice, you never have anything for 
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Enjoying your coffee?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:06]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Maybe a little.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:07]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hi, good morning. Good morning over here, where we are right now. Good evening. Good afternoon. And hello everyone. How are you? What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? Ah, welcome back everybody. So, how do you know, how do you know, what kind of friend you have, Matt??</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> How do you know? Well, first, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:28]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> well, first of all, Matt always has a way to spot things out immediately. And then when you ask and then he'll like tell you the most messed up stuff about someone that you think, well, I think is okay, cause I have this Disney or Pollyanna version of the world. And then he'll whisper to me later.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">How this person is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:51]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> no good.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Uh, sometimes, sometimes not, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">some, well, I'm just saying like the times I've been totally shocked by your assessment within a few seconds. And the weird thing is you're right. How do you do it? And then when I ask you for advice, you never have anything for </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">me, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:08]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it's unique to each situation or each person, but you know what, back it up.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Let's describe the three types of friends. Shall we? Okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Do you want me to do it? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:18]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Of course I want you to,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:19]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> do you know what? You all have been calling me the mouth. Cause like, apparently I talk way more than you on the podcast. So why don't you describe it for once? Go ahead. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Aristotle. Nicomachean </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">ethics </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Nicomachean</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:36]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> yes. The mouth. Anyways describes three types of friends. There are those people who are friends with you because they get stuff from you. There are those people who are friends with you because of the way you make them feel. And there are the people who just love you. Okay. Those would be the three types of friends and obviously we would love</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and if every single one of our friends was quote unquote type three, who loves us, just cuz. Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Uh, yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:10]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's how I think everybody is until I get a big slap in the face. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:14]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So how do we figure this out? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> How do you do it, Matt? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:18]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, first of all, I, unlike yourself, I dip my pinky toe in the water. Now, what do you do?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:27]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I jump right in </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:29]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> you jump right in. Yeah, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:30]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I welcome. You. I'm like, where the hell have you been???? YAY!!!!</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Exactly. Now do you remember Sturgeon's law? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:40]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's terrible.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Duh, do you remember Sturgeon's law? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:43]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You bring it up all the time. We had our </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Theodore Sturgeon science fiction, author Sturgeon's law and okay. It's not really a law, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's a theory it's whatever you want to call it. But he says that 90% of anything is terrible. Wow. That's a very depressing way to look at the world. Isn't it? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">a terrible, terrible view of the world. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> But start thinking </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">it through, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:05]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but you know what, when I'm mad, I'm like, yeah, that's true. But when I'm feeling better, I'm like, that's a terrible, terrible thing to say.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:13]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It is flipping terrible. I'm not going to argue that, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but things wrong with Sturgeon for him to </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">say that? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Sturgeon was again a studier of human nature. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:22]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> How, how did he study human nature? What did he do? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> He might've been a psychologist. I'm not </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">sure. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:28]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So he just said that 90% of everything is crap </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> of anything is crap, not everything, but anything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So fill in the blanks. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:38]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's terrible. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:39]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, he was also talking about it from his personal experience and his personal knowledge, because hold on, hold on, hold on. The music I listen to, 90% of the world would say it was terrible. They just would. And if you think about it, it's like, okay, fine. You love classical music.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You hate classical music. , for any given person, I would say 90% of the music that's out there to them is going to be crap. So it becomes a much more personal thing. Okay. For starters. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:15]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> But it's hard to extricate yourself from the situation. Like, I'm not going to tell you that, I don't know, picking something around Sawyer Brown country, country, Western music, although country Western fans might not say that because they're a little poppy, you know, I understand objectively that they're a good band.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I would never listen to them. And I would, I personally would never quantify them as being good because it's not my style of </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">music. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:43]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. But you wouldn't go around labeling that as terrible. Or bad. Oh Lord. Okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:50]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Okay. Objectives. I understand </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:53]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> this spoken from a true heavy metal guy. You are so snobby about music, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> honestly, for five seconds, there was a song called something like, um, "Some Girls Do" I've thought had a catchy beat.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Wow that</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:12]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> for five seconds. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But I mean, there, there are some glaring exceptions in, uh, the music I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:19]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> listen, you don't want to listen to anything that you like, or even movies, even you ruin for me. Like you don't want to be sitting next to Matt because he'll constantly the words out of your mouth is what does this dribble about? (Matt is laughing)</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Everything I love. It's really crazy sad. It makes me crazy. Let me enjoy my stuff. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:43]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">anyways, back to how we figure this out. First of all, me personally, I dip my pinky toe in. Okay. Like, okay. We were, I know your name. Okay. It's kind of a first that's, that's kind of the usual first step. And then we have a little banter and then we figure out that, you know, it's it's, to me, it's about gates and gatekeepers.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So there's a gate that says, okay, do we want to, exchange information or something? Right? I mean, in a way, friends is like dating and we've we talk about this. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:19]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's how we started. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:20]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">However dating, usually infers there's a first date so you don't get to, you don't necessarily do this acquaintance </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:29]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Can I just interject? So if you want to hear about how we started go back to the very, very first episode, the very first one called "The Mentor". It's just me talking, "The Mouth" again, but I was just, I was just trying to explain what we're going to be talking about on this podcast. So the very first episode called the mentor.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's me talk. I'm not that I'm the mentor, but I tell you who the mentor was as inspiration for this friendship movement that we began. And really it was because out of frustration, we lived on Bainbridge Island, Washington state, and you know, before we got there, we had no trouble making friends. We made friends, like family type friends, wherever we went and all of a sudden it wasn't happening.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so we blamed ourselves for the longest time, for whatever reasons like, okay, well maybe because we're new, maybe because we're married, maybe because. Maybe, because that's the culture here in Washington state and we don't understand it. Maybe we're offending people, maybe </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> no, there's no, maybe to the offending.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm sure we did offend people, but that's beside the point, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:41]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> we didn't have lots of laughs at the grocery stores, um, going in there together. Like one of the big maybes was maybe because um, later on when we became, when I became pregnant and we have Elle, we thought, well, maybe because we're parents now, maybe that's why, but we started to really look around and then we worked, worked really worked on developing new friendships.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And it wasn't happening. We couldn't even invite someone to come over for a nice, beautiful dinner to save our lives. Like it was nuts. And so one day we're walking. We took walks every day, really pretty on Bainbridge island. The culture I got to tell you guys when we lived there, I don't know if it's changed, but it was not pretty; the culture</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I mean, uh, But it led us to saying what is going on here? And I said to you, oh my goodness. It's like dating all over again, but this time to find a friend, like I thought it was hard to find. If you think there's just one true love for you, or maybe there's more than one, but you're trying to find that person, you think that's hard?.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I traveled. I, as a photographer, I was always traveling. I was always looking for my love. And then here we were, I'm like, this is even harder. What is happening? And then it led us to do lots of introspection, but also it led us to really talking to a whole bunch of people, looking at other countries, looking at what's really going on in society.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that's when we realized, wow, there's something deeper happening in our society. So anyway, that's what Matt is looking at as what? Stop it. Well, I just wanted to give context because I don't know what you've listened to. So I don't know that I have to give you some, some background. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:42]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah. But we're talking </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">like, once you've made that initial connection, it's you you'd need to almost treat it like it's a first date and you need to, in my mind, you need to establish the quote-unquote rules, the groundwork, and you want to make your</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">communications at this point, explicit. And for me, this is the real key: slow. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I don't do slow,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I can't, it's not in me, nothing about me is slow. Well, nevermind. Don't get any wrong ideas. I don't know. It depends how cute. Okay. Hey. Hey. Hey. Calm down. All right. So what I'm saying is, you know, I move fast, you know, I get an idea I'm on it. You, God knows how our marriage is working (Matt is laughing). I swear sometimes Matt, I get so angry with Matt, like so angry and distraught because I'm, I, I have a different beat.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I have a completely different beat than you, Matt. I like to move on an idea immediately. I like to just, if we're going to move I'm military, I pack up our stuff in 24 hours ready to go. You're like, it'll take you years. Cause you're pontificating and you're, I don't know what you're doing, honestly, but like for us to like work together and to dance together, it's quite a feat.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Anyway, so you're slow go ahead. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:12]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> (Matt is laughing) So that's how you leave it to me. Fair enough. Fair enough. Can't argue that fact slow, but deliberate. Okay. And it's about feeling the give and take the ebb and the flow of it to me. And, you know, I think that to build a good friendship or a great friendship just takes time, takes events.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But again, it all means moving slow, because guess what? I think all friendships start out in that, I'm friends with you because you make me feel good about myself or, um, you make me feel good period, or I'm getting something from you. Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Come on. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:53]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> When that becomes a two way street, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:56]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I don't come at it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like I, that's why he jumped in because I, I genuinely look at everyone as a movie and like, they're the star of a movie and I'm intrigued. I never think about what can I get from this person? How do I feel about it? I'm like, look at this. And I think that the photographer and me that's, that's how it happens because I immediately start noticing things </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:22]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And vibes, and it has nothing to do with me. I'm just like in love with what I'm looking at. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:29]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I completely get it. Take it to that next level. I'm not looking at you to see what I can get from you, but if you offer something to me that shows me that you want to deepen the friendship. If you say something like if you pay me a compliment or, you know, whatever, again, deepening your, you, you want this, uh, I call it an acquaintance.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You want our acquaintanceship to grow to a friendship and it's a very deliberate dance as far as I'm concerned in the same way that dating is a very deliberate dance, for me at least.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Oh, she's just looking at me folks. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, I. And I guess that's how we got </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">together. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:14]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And it's about then for me personally, I mean, I'm very analytic. God help me about the whole thing, but you know, I'll literally replay, I replay conversations I have with people during the day and I'm like, did I come across?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">How did I come across? How did I not come across? Because I've, it's been pointed out that sometimes I'm inelegant in my speech. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:33]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, you are sometimes when you're deep in coding and you're working, working working, the way, your tone. And you'll never, you never believe me when I say you have a tone right now, I don't like your tone.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Then we got into a fight because you totally say, no, I do not have a tone. I'm like, you can't hear your own tone. So we get into a fight about it. And it never gets resolved actually, because you refuse to admit that you have a tone and happens because when you're so in your head, And you are saying something that genuinely is a nice thing, or it's a neutral thing, even it comes across so bad.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's it's bad. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So anyways, it's about replaying. It's about understanding. I mean, um, one of my really good friends, we initially, became friends because he was showing me things on the computer. And very cool stuff. And this was my friend, Chris. I want to say that my initial friendship Steeny you know, he made me feel good.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I mean, he complimented me all the time and he holds me in very high self-esteem, which is extremely cool. Cause he is a very cool guy too. So there's that it became mutual, but it didn't necessarily start there, but it's about baby steps in it's about having an understanding and it's, for me also, if I feel like I'm giving more in a friendship than I'm getting, and this is in the early acquaintance stages here, folks, you know, I really take a hard look at that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">If I'm constantly every three weeks pinging you saying, Hey, how's it going? You know, at some point I understand that it's not a two-way street. It's a one-way street. And if that's the case, then, we're moving further away from a deep </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:24]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> friendship,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">I guess, both ways work because I jump in there and I get hurt a lot because I assume everybody's my best friend.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I realized later that, wow, I had a completely different viewpoint. I had a completely existence in that relationship. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:44]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:45]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Than they did. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:46]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And when I find myself getting so tired or like, so constantly disappointed, or I'm waiting for something good to happen, like I'm waiting for them to have a good response in return to me, or, you know what I'm saying?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well, I don't know what I'm saying, actually. I don't know how to say it when I'm constantly waiting for them to be an above and beyond family type of friend. And that doesn't happen over and over and over again. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I get so sad. And then I have to come to terms, you know, come to my whatever moment it is,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">you want to call it and realize, okay, it was a number one friend was a number two friend. I was their number three. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And do I want to continue the friendship? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:37]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And usually I get to a point where I'm so hurt that I'm out.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:44]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right? Exactly. And, and bear in mind folks that, you know, I think I started as a jump in plunge and I didn't even think about it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And, you know, I managed to get everything shredded when I was in like 7th grade</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:01]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> wow. So after all these years I'm still going, I was still holding the torch. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yep. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I got burned once I'm done. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:07]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> wow</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:08]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I know it's twisted, isn't it? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:11]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Or is it me that's twisted? I'm like still going. I think, I dunno. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:18]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It's it's not that I don't have the capacity and it's not that I don't have the desire to have type three friends.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I'm in the process of developing a new type three friend, frankly, right now. But it's, it's a slow deliberate process in the same way our dating was a very slow and deliberate process. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:36]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">because I had no idea what was happening. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:38]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Exactly.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:39]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I had given up on love. I was just trying to learn some martial arts and.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Thrust into this other whole world of like this other school (Matt and Fawn make a high pitched agreement humming sound). </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:52]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I can't do it in my mind. That's what I wanted to say. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> See, you didn't do your vocal exercises this morning and you're drinking coffee. You're not supposed to drink coffee when you're doing voice stuff.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> (Matt clears his voice and speaks very deeply) I see. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh my God. So I forgot what we were saying.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Oh, it worked because I had no idea what was happening. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:14]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Everyone knew that we were getting together, but me! (Fawn and Matt start laughing) and then I ended up with, I ended up with one of my best friends, this gorgeous guy that I had been friends with for a long time. And then when things went to the next, next level, I remember telling Sarah. She was driving.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I told Sarah what happened. And she immediately said, don't tell Matt. I'm like why, what, what? Huh. And she got quiet because she realized, oh, she said something she shouldn't have, you know, like she let it out of the bag. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:51]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">that is the, that is the danger. And there's no danger with that with friends because you can have a kajillion friends.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Life is good. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:58]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Wait, what's the danger?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:00]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well that, you know, in the, in the dating context, perhaps not the smartest move, although it was my move. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:05]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What moved to like take </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">it slow forever? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:06]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> take it slow forever. Exactly. And by the way forever was what was it? Six months? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Um, like I said, I, I, I don't move slowly. I feel like I have so much to do in life.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I don't have time. So, I mean, I have time for everyone mostly, but I don't have time to like deliberately slow things down. I have things to do. I want to see things. I want to do things in world and if you're not on board with me then, okay. But I'm here to let you know exactly who I am in the instant you meet me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And if you're on board, let's go. You want to like, go on this adventure with me great, let's go. Do you know what I mean? And most people do. And then I realized, oh, they don't have the stamina. Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know what I mean?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:57]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Like they just wanted to be whisked along. They didn't want to actually actively participate.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:03]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Exactly. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">that's the trick and, and it, to me again, ebb and flow, you know, it's one of those things, you know, you've, you've got to get close to as good as you give. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:18]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So what is your advice to me? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Slow down. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> No, what's another. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh, wait. Oh, cut that out. I started singing a song. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:29]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Besides that, give me some other bit of advice.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Okay. Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:32]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Then you start getting Mackie. It's almost see, then you run in, you start getting into the difficulty of it becoming almost Machiavellian, what you're doing, which means like, in my mind, at least very sinister, very underhanded, because you really look for opportunities for, you know, this person to show you how they're being your friend, as opposed to letting them reveal themselves, which is what I let them do, which takes time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:58]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay, so what am I doing again? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Slowing down. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">No, no, what am I actually doing? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Slowing down. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm not slowing </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">down though. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:06]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, then. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What am I doing? I'm just quick. What you just described? I got lost. Cause I got lost in the word you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">used</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:18]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Machiavelli Machiavellian or Machiavellian after Nikola Machiavelli, the author of "The Prince". Like mastermind of political savagery, basically </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">from Venice. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:29]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Give me more background. What is, what's the theory there </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">again?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It's just, you be very deliberate and you know, you'd literally almost keep a tally of what they've done for you and what you've done for them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Oh, like </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:42]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Sheldon Cooper from "The Big Bang Theory"</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and I, I, that's not a place I want to live. I just, I want things to reveal themselves. And, but I'm going to be careful, like if I've like hipped you to like three or four really cool things, you know, , give and take, and maybe you don't know any cool stuff and, and I'll understand that and we'll get, you know, we'll move over that or through that, but you have to make yourself vulnerable too</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> do you think something is wrong with me that do you think I'm not as pure of heart?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">When, so I have noticed this with a couple of friends that I've had to let go of the past couple of months. Like two of them. I noticed that I noticed that I was, I felt, I felt, I'm sure they have their own perspective, but I felt like I was constantly offering cool new things or like offering them things. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And they were just quiet and then they would implement them </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:38]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Without saying, oh my God, thank you. Like, I, this was inspiration from you, Fawn. I got nothing. Right. Do you know what I mean? And then I was feeling resentful because they were doing things that I was sharing with them that right. And because, because that, because of the fact that they didn't reciprocate my kind of love back to me, you know, my kind of friendship love, I started to get really annoyed when things started popping up</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">on their podcasts and on their businesses that was my idea that I was sharing with them. So then I got really, what's the word I'm not offended, but yes, I was offended </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> jealous? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:28]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> No, because I was doing it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I just, I got really resentful. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah. And to me. This is one of the dangers we have in this kind of Facebook, well, edited lives everybody has, frankly, like nobody likes to talk about the suck, like when their lives suck, you know, and, and I'm as guilty as everyone else. Absolutely. Um, you know, for me personally, I got laid off two months ago.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Boom. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It was more than. Uh, and actually it feels like years. It </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:07]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> was April 18th. Okay. But anyways, and, and this was right after, uh, like literally it was either a week or two weeks after my mom's funeral. Boom, boom. So yeah, that's the suck, but you know what? My friends knew all about it. My friends knew all about it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Uh, my acquaintances ,depends, you know, it's because we don't like being, we don't like making ourselves vulnerable. Now, we're okay making ourselves vulnerable, if the other person makes themselves vulnerable too. But that's the problem is people rarely own up. People never own up to strangers their vulnerability unless like they have to.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:53]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I do. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:53]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So, you know, if you're. Standing in line in the unemployment office, the guy next to you obviously is doing the same thing, right? So it's almost like it's okay to open up your vulnerabilities. And actually, you know, I've noticed on LinkedIn, people are saying that they're quote unquote, open to work, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Cause there's been an interesting spat of layoffs in the tech sector. and that's a very strong thing. It's a very bold thing and that's something that should be applauded, but that's very rare. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:21]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I want to say, that's how normally I make friends is,I'm in a vulnerable state and I share it, but I'm not necessarily living there forever.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Um, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and then you run into the alpha friend and the beta friend. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:38]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh, who think by the way that they're here to teach me stuff where in fact, I know a lot of stuff, but because I'm B I'm vulnerable, they think that I'm some dumb blond that doesn't know anything. Do you know what I'm saying? And then once again, I get resentful </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:57]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> you're playing into again, contemporary power dynamics.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">People feel comfortable in these high school style friendships, and I'm, I guess I'm playing to the high school style friendship. And you don't, you play to the adult friendship and most people aren't ready to deal with that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:12]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">don't know if I played to the adult friendship. I don't even know what that is, but I will say that, uh, I just have no time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So if I'm vulnerable and you're standing there thinking I'm some dumb ass, you know what I'm saying? Because in that moment, I'm totally revealing to you that things are not so great for me, but I'm not living there. I'm not saying this is my entire life, this life forever, but I'm like, oh my God, this really sucks right now.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. You know what I'm saying? And if, if I see that the person holds me there forever or from that moment decides that they're the ones who are going to teach me something constantly and that they're surprised, or they ignore actually when they see that I've done or accomplished these things, whatever they may be, it doesn't matter.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They ignore it. Right. Because they're still in that, that mindset that they know better. That you're a know nothing. And that's when I know. Okay, this person is not my friend for me. Like, I don't want that kind of friend because that lets me know that they're not loving. They're not really seeing me. Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I'm like, okay, thanks. So in my way, and my fast moving of friendship that's my way. I seriously, like I have big things to do on this planet. I don't have time to take it slow for you. You're going to have to jump in and unfortunately I will get hurt when I realize maybe you're not in it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're not in it to win it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:48]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And there you go. And that takes me to another interesting point I hadn't considered, which was not only that you make yourself vulnerable, but we also expect our friends, our type three friends, our friends who love us because they love us, those people should and do afford us the opportunity to evolve and grow.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that's a big thing. Cause I think </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:13]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's a gem right there, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:14]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I think that, um, I, I like to afford people the opportunity to, to grow and show me cool stuff and, show me next level and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And I think again, Sturgeon's law takes over. 90% of people have a hard time with that. And they don't understand how power dynamics change.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They don't understand how people necessarily change. Not necessarily even become brand new people, but , just. Go next level. And sometimes we get resentful because we feel like they're leaving us behind. Sometimes when we're the ones doing the growing, we look at them and we're like, but, but they're stuck exactly where they were before.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And again, there's tricky, uncomfortable dynamic, but I think if we truly love each other, then we're okay either way. We celebrate their successes, they celebrate ours. We maybe, and I would hope it's definitely, but we do what we can to push them to the next level because we just want them to do </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">well.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I have an example of that before we go. So the last few months I made a new friend, a treasure, like, like gold. Amazing. And she's that kind of person that doesn't judge. Well, I'm sure she judges. She was loving me, even though she misunderstood what I was. And luckily I was paying attention. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what do you mean about this?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So what had happened was she realized that I was vegan and that our whole family was vegan forever. And she didn't really understand the whole vegan concept </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:52]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> because it's, it's, it's a weird one to grasp if you're on the standard American diet, for sure. Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:56]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> yeah, it also depends. What, what kind of vibe you grew up with and where in the country you live, you know, that has something to do with it as well.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">And also the stigma of being in Colorado, there are so many people that think that automatically everyone is on drugs. Everyone is high. So when my friend realized I was vegan, she, I noticed every time we talked about her food, she got very defensive. And I thought maybe she was thinking that I was one of those stand on a soap box, kind of vegan, like "meat is murder" kind of person.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I'm like, wait a minute. I'm obviously not like that. So what is her deal? Like, why did she get so quiet when I talk about food or like wanting to share it with her, she was like, oh no, I don't do that. I'm like, you don't do that. Like, what do you mean you don't do that? You don't do broccoli. Like what, and what was going on</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">was she thought </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">(Matt starts laughing)</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> that's right. I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">remember now. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> She thought that being vegan meant we put marijuana in all of our food. And so when I found that bit out, I started laughing so hard and I immediately told Elle and Alegra. They're like, wait a minute, so she thought that you would give your babies, like when they were infants marijuana?????</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">I'm like, yeah, I think she did.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But she was still willing to be my friend, because that was so like the whole marijuana culture is so against her her thing, you know, like it's just a no-no for her, but the fact that she was still willing to be my friend and totally there and like open and like loving I'm like, that's a good friend right there, even though there was a big misunderstanding.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Do you know what I mean? So anyway, we cleared it up. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:47]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Lord and for the record folks, yeah. There's no marijuana consumption in this house. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I can't even, I can barely have a sip of coffee. Like I feel like, I feel like I just evaporate. Like I can't, I can't handle it. How in the world and you know, the fact that she thought and every meal they were like and everything, you know, and I'm not talking about, CBD, which doesn't get you high.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">She thought it was like the THC stuff. You know how people cook with it now they're like huge gourmet areas where THC, they put that into everything. Oh my goodness. She thought that anyway, it's so far from us, you know, but anyway, but when that happen? I'm like, that's a good friend right there. She was still open-minded and</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">like in it, you know what I'm saying? Until somehow it came up and I'm like, oh my God, all this time, is that what you've been thinking? She's like, well, yeah. Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:50]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> yeah. Well, I mean, we remember, uh, Maya, Everybody was like, you're studying yoga. I guess that means you've turned against the church.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Both have interesting assumptions, but please take the time to confirm or, you know, your assumptions before you just, you know, block somebody out. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So funny to me, like all that stuff, you guys go back and listen to Maya Brauer. She is the head of the Yoga Alliance. We did a few interviews with her, but she was telling me, and I knew this too, from teaching yoga.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There are people who think that it is devil worshiping. If you're doing yoga, it's like against their religion. And so when she was doing, and she was talking to us about how her family had to do an intervention, because they felt like she was going to the dark side because she was practicing yoga. Anyway, so, yeah.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">All right. How do we wrap this up into a little bow? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:48]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Take it slow folks. Take it slow. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:50]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Or not... (Fawn and Matt start laughing),</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:54]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> but take moments to evaluate and really try and gain a good understanding of what your given, what you're getting. And not that it needs to always be in balance because there are times that your friends need you. And there are times that you need your friends. I mean, that's life, but you know, if you notice that you're rushing in to deepen the friendship and they're standoffish, then maybe there's a reason for that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:22]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Or you can play like me, just go wild and just see what happens. You know, life it's meant to be lived and experienced. Just, um, just, just keep the Nicomachean rule of three in mind while you're doing it. All right. We're going to go. We have a lot to take care of around here guys. Oh, dear. Wish us luck. We're trying to find where we belong on the planet.</span></span></p>
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[00:00:00] Fawn: Enjoying your coffee?
[00:00:06] Matt: Maybe a little.
[00:00:07] Fawn: Hi, good morning. Good morning over here, where we are right now. Good evening. Good afternoon. And hello everyone. How are you? What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? Ah, welcome back everybody. So, how do you know, how do you know, what kind of friend you have, Matt??
[00:00:26] Matt: How do you know? Well, first, 
[00:00:28] Fawn: well, first of all, Matt always has a way to spot things out immediately. And then when you ask and then he'll like tell you the most messed up stuff about someone that you think, well, I think is okay, cause I have this Disney or Pollyanna version of the world. And then he'll whisper to me later.
How this person is 
[00:00:51] Matt: no good.
 Uh, sometimes, sometimes not, 
[00:00:54] Fawn: well, 
some, well, I'm just saying like the times I've been totally shocked by your assessment within a few seconds. And the weird thing is you're right. How do you do it? And then when I ask you for advice, you never have anything for 
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                    <![CDATA[The Art of Authenticity in Friendship - 4 Key Things to Notice]]>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>Did you know that our cells, (the cells in our bodies) create light? Science today is telling us that even our cells emit light when they perform their functions. Neurons in the brain and spinal nerves have been found to produce photons. Photons are tiny particles of light that influence our very atomic structure when they send impulses to each other. They're communicating through light!  "The Energy Codes" by Dr. Sue Morter. A little quote that actually blends into what we're talking about today, about authenticity. A quote from the book:</p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">"The key to a fully empowered experience of life is embodying the energy that you are." When I read that to me, I get, to live fully, you have to be fully yourself. Don't hide. Don't try to edit yourself because you're afraid, afraid of not having this friend, or afraid of not having the job.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Also, what is the difference between authentic</span></span><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"> and genuine?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We discuss 4 keys to noticing the authenticity in yourself and others.</span></span></p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>The Art of Authenticity</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Welcome back. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:01]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hello. How can I thank you for listening and come across in the way that I really feel in my heart. How do I do that? Would that not sounding authentic? How do I do that? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:13]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Uh, yes, authenticity is in a challenging place for me right now. I happen to be, uh, uh, interviewing with different companies.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So that's always a tricky thing. Tricky </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">spot</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm in a tricky spot with it myself, because I was being my normal self. I'm an open book and with a friend, if something bothers me, I talk about it in a gentle way. And I felt like the person wasn't hearing me. So I went to the next person in our little tiny circle.</span></span></p>
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"The key to a fully empowered experience of life is embodying the energy that you are." When I read that to me, I get, to live fully, you have to be fully yourself. Don't hide. Don't try to edit yourself because you're afraid, afraid of not having this friend, or afraid of not having the job.
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The Art of Authenticity
[00:00:00] Fawn: Welcome back. 
[00:00:01] Matt: Hello? 
[00:00:01] Fawn: Hello. How can I thank you for listening and come across in the way that I really feel in my heart. How do I do that? Would that not sounding authentic? How do I do that? 
[00:00:13] Matt: Uh, yes, authenticity is in a challenging place for me right now. I happen to be, uh, uh, interviewing with different companies.
So that's always a tricky thing. Tricky 
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[00:00:25] Fawn: I'm in a tricky spot with it myself, because I was being my normal self. I'm an open book and with a friend, if something bothers me, I talk about it in a gentle way. And I felt like the person wasn't hearing me. So I went to the next person in our little tiny circle.
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                    <![CDATA[<p>Did you know that our cells, (the cells in our bodies) create light? Science today is telling us that even our cells emit light when they perform their functions. Neurons in the brain and spinal nerves have been found to produce photons. Photons are tiny particles of light that influence our very atomic structure when they send impulses to each other. They're communicating through light!  "The Energy Codes" by Dr. Sue Morter. A little quote that actually blends into what we're talking about today, about authenticity. A quote from the book:</p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">"The key to a fully empowered experience of life is embodying the energy that you are." When I read that to me, I get, to live fully, you have to be fully yourself. Don't hide. Don't try to edit yourself because you're afraid, afraid of not having this friend, or afraid of not having the job.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Also, what is the difference between authentic</span></span><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"> and genuine?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We discuss 4 keys to noticing the authenticity in yourself and others.</span></span></p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>The Art of Authenticity</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Welcome back. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:01]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hello. How can I thank you for listening and come across in the way that I really feel in my heart. How do I do that? Would that not sounding authentic? How do I do that? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:13]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Uh, yes, authenticity is in a challenging place for me right now. I happen to be, uh, uh, interviewing with different companies.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So that's always a tricky thing. Tricky </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">spot</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm in a tricky spot with it myself, because I was being my normal self. I'm an open book and with a friend, if something bothers me, I talk about it in a gentle way. And I felt like the person wasn't hearing me. So I went to the next person in our little tiny circle.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And they were not hearing me at all. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:48]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh dear.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I said, I don't think you understand how bad my situation is right now. So you're not hearing what I'm saying. And boy, did she not like hearing that and it was the end of our friendship. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:00]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah. That is a challenging thing to hear, frankly. yeah, nobody likes to have their authenticity called into question for sure. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I didn't call up their authenticity into question. I was just revealing my pain and it wasn't, it had nothing to do with them, but anyway, it definitely got to got me in a place where, wow, well, I don't want to share myself ever again. You know what I'm saying?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So anyway, that's my challenging point right now, right? Why is yours that way? I know, you know, Matt is looking for a job, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> everybody. Hey, anyways, um, no, I'm a hundred percent authentic when I'm talking to the people. It's the follow-ups that are tricky. And it's the understanding that, maybe this is not the right opportunity or this isn't a dream opportunity.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">As it were. Right. And these are people who are already heavily invested in whatever place they're at. And so they're all a hundred percent on board theoretically, so it can be hard to sound enthusiastic about being there with an understanding that in all likelihood.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I won't be because I'm looking at many opportunities right </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">now. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And also most people are not living authentically. They're not being their true, authentic selves, but they pretend they are to save their job. They pretend they are to save their relationships. They pretend they are because they don't want to be exposed.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Anything it's risky. It's risky to be authentic, to be totally yourself, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:36]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:37]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> because it can get you fired. It can get you out of a relationship, you know, it's quite painful. And it also, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:44]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and it also exposes you completely like, if you're so desperate to fill in the blank, to get this job to, be with this person, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And it doesn't happen. BOOM that's that's a hard </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">thing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:01]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So by going back, I, we want to express to you how grateful we are that you're listening to our show right now. Thank you. I am in awe. It's not like I have poured a whole bunch of money in looking at analytics for our show, but looking at it, I know you're listening every single day and I am so grateful.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Thank you. Having us be heard. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for listening. It means, yeah. I feel like she started to tear up folks. I am starting to tear up, but I feel like whatever comes out of my mouth is going to sound so cheesy and inauthentic, but it really is. I'm so grateful. Okay. So here we go.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Let's just get into the topic for today. of course I always say, okay, let's get into it. But, but first I wanted to ask you, did you know that our cells, you know, the cells in our bodies, so science today is telling us that even our cells emit light when they perform their functions, neurons in the brain and spinal nerves have been found to produce photons. Photons are tiny particles of light that influence our very atomic structure when they send impulses to each other, they're communicating through light. There's this quote from the book, "The Energy Codes by Dr. Sue Morter. A little quote that actually blends into what we're talking about today, about authenticity.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">The key to a fully empowered experience of life is embodying the energy that you are. When I read that to me, I get, to live fully, you have to be fully yourself. Don't hide. Don't try to edit yourself because you're afraid, afraid of not having this friend or afraid of not having the job.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Although the job thing that's, that's affecting. If you're American, that's affecting your life. You could die if you don't have a job because you won't have health insurance or you won't, you know what I mean? You won't have a place to live. There's nothing out there that's a safety net for us Americans, right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:15]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It sucks </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">right. But there's a difference. Yeah. In my mind, at least. And then maybe it's just how I'm dealing with things. I am a hundred percent authentic, you know, I am showing them who I am and some people are some people like that. And some people don't like that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:30]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. Most people don't do that, Matt.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:32]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, yeah, that's true. That's one of my differentiators.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> All right. So the art of authenticity, here we go, did you have something else to add before I get into it? All right. The art of developing your presence, the art of authenticity. Authentic, the definition; I was looking around for several different definitions. And I was going back and forth between authentic and genuine, genuine.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">How do you pronounce it? Genuine or genuine? I dunno. Okay. So here we go. You know what I'm talking about? Authentic means conforming to reality and therefore worthy of trust, reliance, or belief. Okay. Then genuine is belonging to, or proceeding from the original stock. Native, not counterfeit, not false. And at first I wanted to say that being genuine is radically different than being authentic.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then later as I was looking, I slept on it. I actually slept. And then I realized, okay, this is what genuine and authenticity is like why I was tripping on both of them. And I came to a conclusion. I'll tell you about it in just a second, but one more definition of authentic. Here we go. Authentic: it's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">you're true to your own personality, values and spirit regardless of the pressure that you're under to act otherwise. I'm going to say it again, being Being authentic: you're true to your own personality, values, and spirit, regardless of the pressure that you're under to act otherwise. You're honest with yourself and with others and you take responsibility for your actions.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's about your values, ideals and actions. It's where your values, ideas, and actions align. That is being authentic. And so. I thought, why am I tripping on authentic versus genuine</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">why did I trip on the difference between authentic and genuine? Because when you look up the etymology of authentic, it, it says, oh, to be genuine. And I that no, that doesn't ring totally perfect with me. So I had thought about it. And if you look at the definition of genuine, it means belonging to, or proceeding from the original stock.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's native. It's not counterfeit, it's not false. But what really got me was it belongs to. What does it belong to? It belongs to yourself. When you're genuine, you belong to yourself. When you're genuine, you belong to yourself. You're fully empowered. You fully embody the energy that you are, and that is authentic.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I think what I'm trying to say is that this is one of the key, key, key things of having true friendship is being authentic first with yourself. There are things that we have to tell ourselves or acknowledge about our own selves before we can seek out or even recognize authenticity in another person.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then therefore you can understand is the friendship authentic. If the person isn't being authentic with themselves, there's no way that they can do that on the outside world and accept someone else's authenticity because they're not even accepting their own. And how can you even have a friendship and know what an authentic friendship is if you can't even take it to yourself and to others? How can you bring into the circle of friendship, having it be a true, genuine friendship, if this is not practiced, if this is not done. So the questions that I ask is, are you the same person when you were by yourself, as when you're in front of someone else, when you're in front of other people? Do you change when you're in front of other people, do you use different language when you're in front of other people?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Do you wear something that you would never wear on your own? Can you dress in front of other people the way you dress when you're by yourself.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Do you change things about yourself? Is there a facade? Is there a wall? And this is why it's so important to be alone. Like, you know, when people date they're like, you should really spend time with yourself and date yourself, you know, get to know yourself before going out there </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">again,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm a big believer in that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Me too. I mean, not that it happened on purpose, but it just happened. So I'm like, okay, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> well, I, I wouldn't necessarily classify it as dating myself, but I would classify it as being comfortable and having a clear understanding of exactly who you are, owning your inner Popeye. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Having </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">a good time on your own is key, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Because if you don't, if you have to appreciate your own company, I got to a point like, again, not by choice, not like I was like, you know what? I'm not going to hang out with you. I'm not going to date you. I'm going to take time for myself. No, it just happened. And I was like, wow, I'm by myself, nobody around.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And like, if I were to describe it, it was like just being in the desert. Like that, that time in my life was like, I'm just by myself, on an island. Oh, well, what are you going to do? There are no planes flying over you can say help to. It was just me. And, and then after awhile, I'm like, I don't know if it was like too much loneliness, but I started cracking myself up.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I was like, I'm funny. I appreciate my own sense of humor, Ooh, we can watch this movie. I love that movie too. Do you know what I mean? Is it,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I just started having a good time by myself. I have the similar interest in art. I,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:28]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> you better.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:30]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It was fantastic. You know, and because I had that, I was more, um, I had more capacity to appreciate something I didn't appreciate hanging out with someone else. You know what I mean? Because that's what they appreciated because I got to totally go to the movies that I wanted.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I got to say what I wanted. I got to think what I wanted. I got to do whatever I wanted because I had that space and you don't have to be in a desert like existence, like I did to achieve that. You have to just look to yourself and go, what, what do you want, what would you like to do? You know what I mean?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like or what do you really want? What do you like to do? What do you really think? You know what I'm saying? Without having anything punish you out there for thinking whatever you want to think, but you know what that's, what it is. People are afraid to be their authentic selves because they get punished.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You get fired from a job. You got people yelling at you for having a belief that you have, but when you practice doing it on your own, it kind of goes away. It does. I mean, you, you may still have people yelling at you about what do you mean? Do you know what I'm saying? But because you embody yourself and you're centered in that it doesn't bother you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It doesn't shake </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">you. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:49]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Okay. Uh, yeah, a lot of what you're describing, I certainly went through when I lived alone. Uh, you know, I moved out of my parents' house and I had my own place. And yeah, you spend an awful lot of time like sorting things out. How I describe it to people like, a friend of mine just recently, unfortunately, or fortunately, I don't know, separated from her husband and she got her own place and it was the first time she'd ever lived alone.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And she was, I don't know, late twenties, early thirties. And I was like prepared. It gets a little lonely at first, at first, because you have to get comfortable with being alone and not being lonely. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:29]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And that takes a minute. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I mean, we all know you can be with a bunch of people and feel lonely. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:34]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">absolutely.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:36]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But if you know your authentic self, if you embody yourself, there's a party. There's a party at my house over here in my own self. Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:44]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> But </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:45]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You know what I'm saying, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:46]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and it just, it can take a minute to get </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">comfortable with that, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but then it could also happen in a flash, like at, okay. At the risk of sounding schizophrenic.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I've told you this story before, but it helps, for example, like the reason why I'm saying there could be a party inside you. I had an entourage, like in a split second, I decided I need an entourage. I need, I need protection. You guys. Well, I was just newly, like 18. I was 18 graduated from high school.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I had to hide the fact that I got into one of the toughest best art schools in the country. Like one of the best, and to even interview with this place, I knew that I had to go in person to interview. Because if they looked at my portfolio alone, I knew, I knew they would never accept me. The school is very fine, arts oriented, and my stuff was very commercial looking.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">I knew I had to sell it. And from an early age, I realized, even though people kept telling me Fawn, you really need to learn to be a really great salesperson because I worked with a lot of cameras, salespeople. I don't know, especially back then, sales had a very bad connotation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know, salespeople were like the shady, used car sales people of the 1970s, you know, like the very cheesy you see in movies. Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:13]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and that's because they weren't being authentic. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:18]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right. Exactly. And things have changed now, hopefully. Right. But I dunno, it's trickier now. It's trickier to see the sleeze sometimes because they can use certain words, certain terminology to make.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Uh, T to use the colloquial colloquial, colloquial colloquial. Oh my God. Close Colac, who we are. They use those certain terms or certain key words to get a rise out of people. Do you know what I'm saying? It's a little bit more tricky. I think, to spot authenticity in sales, right now. But anyway, going back when people told me that I got really offended, but at the same time, I was kind of understanding that I have to be there and I didn't use the word sell, but I had to be there looking back on it. I can say I had to be there in person to sell my work, to sell what I was about to sell what my work was about. And I did. And so I secretly flu to another city and met with the Dean of the school and got accepted on the spot.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">All right. And then I have to figure out how to actually move there. I was on my own guys, like my family, pretty much disowned me. So, I left. I packed up whatever little bit that I had and I moved to San Francisco. I had traveled quite a bit before. But all of a sudden I was so scared and I felt stuck and not able to move around.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like I just felt stuck. I was like, oh my God, how do I get from point a to point B? Like even the simple stuff I was like, how do I find out where my luggage is? How do I find out where in the airport that the carousel is to find my luggage? What if I don't get there in time? What if the connecting flights don't work well, how do I find my stuff?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Because I was so scared and I was so alone. I just felt like I, I didn't know anything. And so here's what, where the entourage comes in because all of a sudden, well, first of all, several amazing things happened on that flight. One is I was sitting next to a person that was older. They looked at my photography work and they were like, wow, you're really talented.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that, it just means I needed to hear that I needed some confirmation from people because I wasn't getting it from my family. For sure. So that happened. And before the flight took off the, the pilot started whistling as we were taking off, like every little thing that I was used to, I was used to being on a plane.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I was used to like the plane taking off, but everything because I was feeling alone, felt very unknown to me. So as the plane was taking off, I was getting more and more scared because I was like, where am I going? I don't even know where I'm going to sleep. I don't know anything. Nobody is helping me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There's no one waiting for me. On the other side, I worked throughout high school to raise enough cash for tuition, like plunking down cash to the school. It was scary. So the plane is taking off and the pilot starts whistling "Off Into the Wild Blue Yonder". Here we go. I can't out into the, he started whistling the song.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's American song about flying in the air force. Anyway, if you heard it, you would know it, Matt and I can't do it cause we're not allowed anyone who's music on this show. Anyway, when I got down to the airport at my destination, I remembered what a friend of mine said, don't worry about it. If you don't know, just follow the herd. Right. And she's right. And I, every time, since then, every time we travel anywhere, I kind of chuckle to myself because I remember my friend Arianne saying, just follow the herd. And it's true. When you get off the plane, the herd kind of leads you to baggage claim.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And so I did. I got all my stuff, but I was thinking I need help. So all of a sudden, I split into all these different Fawns. There was one Fawn that was like the six foot four tall man who was security. And this Fawn walked with me. I was safe. I was protected by the security Fawn.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then there was another Fawn that was like holding a clipboard, holding a clipboard and knowing exactly what our agenda is like at this time we're going to go here. And then there was one Fawn that was in charge of baggage. So she collected all the bags. Right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There was a Fawn for everything and I felt better. I felt like, okay, I'm a powerhouse. Do you know what I'm saying? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I completely get it. Absolutely. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I forgot why we started talking about this whole part. Do you, do you remember why we started talking about, but I think it was about like having a party within yourself </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:36]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> being comfortable being alone.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:38]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. and realizing every aspect of yourself. And from that, I think one of the things that is key is to think about what it is that you're really thinking when you're in front of other people, when you meet someone else or , you're in a new situation, think to yourself, do you act in a way where you have to prove yourself in any way?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Are you, are you going about life, trying to prove yourself? Another one is, are you going through life feeling like you are protecting something? Are you going through life feeling like you have to defend something? Are you going through life thinking you have to hide something? Look at those four things.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Prove protect, defend, hide. Those are the main four things. Are you doing any of those and really getting to a point where you embody yourself, you embody your life. You don't have to do any of these things, but it's really important to find out if you are indeed acting, speaking in a way where you're constantly trying to prove protect, defend, or hide, and those things can get in the way of being genuine, being authentic. When you share more of you, and that is your complete self, when you're embodied in that complete self of yours, you're a powerhouse. You're compassionate. You have more flexibility.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're more comfortable and you attract so many others that are like you. And it's easier to find authentic situations, not just authentic friendships, but just authentic experiences, authentic jobs things will fall into place, but that means. That you share your joys. That means that you share your mistakes, your greatness, you share your greatness, you share your vulnerabilities.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">People don't want to do that because they think it's risky. They get in trouble. When you show your vulnerability, people can pounce on you or do something to hurt you. But if you're so centered in that, and you're showing your vulnerability, they can't hurt you. They can't. So showing your fears, once you face these vulnerabilities and these fears, they disappear, but it is authentic to share them because it's, it's still what you are feeling, what you're going through.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Showing your brilliance, showing all of it. That is being genuine. That is being authentic, but you really need to anchor yourself in your true being in your own self to be strong in that. I know it's risky. But it is the key to having a true friendship. It is key, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:20]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">risky and it's so easy to hide behind being snarky all the time or being self-deprecating all the time or editing your life in such a way that you only show the highlight reel. I mean, there's a certain comfort in that there's some comfort in being like, always like, Ooh, yes, I am the greatest or.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Mocking yourself and actually making yourself sound worse in a self-deprecating way. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:45]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> There's also a great comfort in living with misery, because you're used to that misery. You're not used to something that's totally different. You're afraid to walk and dip your toes into water. That is a different temperature.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's uncomfortable. Right. But it doesn't mean it's good for you to just stay in.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">One of the people that I really love as Lisa Nichols, she's a great public speaker. I'm going to tell you something that she taught. It's an exercise. You have to do it every day. You have to do it when you wake up, you have to do it in the morning.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Whenever you wake up, whenever you look at yourself in the mirror, it's an exercise you're supposed to do every day, right? Until you feel better until you, you realize what your authenticity is and it's this. You start off by stating your name to yourself.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're talking to yourself, you're looking at yourself in the mirror and you're talking to yourself as if you are talking to your best friend. You state your name. So my best friend. Okay. I'll say Fawn, I'm proud that you, and then you fill in the blank, but you have to come up with seven different things that you're proud of.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yeah, until you achieve something like, you know, okay. I'm centered now. So Fawn, I'm proud that you fill in the blank. Seven different things. Okay. Let me see. Actually, I haven't done this yet, so I'm going to do it off the cuff right now. Okay. Fawn, I'm proud that you took off to San Francisco without having any support whatsoever. I'm so proud of you for doing that. That took balls right there. Fawn, I'm proud of you for starting this podcast. No one could understand what I was talking about when I was talking about the art of friendship. No one understood what I was getting at. So I'm proud Fawn, I'm proud of you for doing that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm proud of you for not listening to the nay sayers. Anyway, you do it like seven times, seven different outcomes, Fawn, I'm proud of you for leaving terrible relationships. Fawn, I'm proud of you for drawing a line and creating your own family circle where the family that you came from was not okay. Was creating a life that was not okay. And even though you come from a culture that never turns its back on its family members, I'm proud of you for being brave enough to just walk away from that negative situation and creating your own life even though you've had so many challenges because you were alone, even with you, Matt, you and I have been alone.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There have been no grandparents or anybody to help us raise our kids, not even anyone to babysit for us. It was just you and me. Fawn, I'm proud of you for still having an open heart when people have totally been mean to you. I'm proud of you for standing up to those yoga people that were so. Bad. I want to say racist.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'll call out. Fawn, I'm so proud of you for standing up to that and saying, no, this is wrong. I'm proud of you for sticking to your own virtues. I, up to seven. This is hard. It's not seven yet. Well, you get the point, right? Okay. So the next sentence you have to say is your name.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then you have to say, I forgive you for filling in the blank, Fawn, I forgive you for, oh my God. This is hard. You want to go?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So you, you state your name. And you say, I forgive you for fill in the blank, seven different things. So there are three sentences that you say, I forgive you for</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">beating yourself up so much and not sleeping and purposely staying up for the last seven years because you're afraid to go to sleep because you're afraid of. You're going to lose control of your life, that you feel like you have to stand on guard.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">fine. I forgive you for sometimes losing your temper in bad situations. Fawn, I forgive you for not being the success that you thought you would be with your career.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">I starting to cry. So I guess this is my authentic self. This is when things get hard. When you're saying this is when, you know, you're being authentic when it's really hard. And that's the point of this? Uh, the thirds, I couldn't go through seven because I can't talk into the mic when I'm crying. Okay. Um, the third one is you state your name and you say, I commit to you that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So Fawn, I commit to you that from now on, I'm going to go to sleep at a reasonable hour. State your name, I commit to you that. So you're looking at yourself and you're saying these things. So the three sentences, again, are your name, I'm proud that you fill in the blank. I forgive you for fill in the blank.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then the third one is you state your name. I commit to you that fill in the blank, seven different things. You do this every morning, and then you're supposed to write down four things that really got to you. Like for me, it was about my career. I started crying at a certain point. Right down the four things that really got to you, and that is where you start finding your true, authentic self.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">When you really feel them, you can embody them. When I come to my own authentic, genuine feelings,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">there's nothing anyone else can tell me that will shake me. It's like, yeah. What's so what's new. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, okay. It's like Cyrano de Bergerac when the guy's making fun of his nose and Cyrano de Bergerac says, is that all you've got my nose is big? Really? That's all you've got. Do you know what I'm saying?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">He's not shaken by that. Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:00]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it's more than just, that's all you've got, he actually outlines like 13 better insults when it bleeds. The red sea is the one I always remember, you know? Oh. Or an excellent display for perfumery. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> This episode today turned into a how to, but, uh, what do you think.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah, this is all certainly good as a step in, I would say my step in was very different. You know, the way I really explored what I call my inner Popeye, because Popeye yam what he am. He's, you know, he is who he is and he has a clear understanding of that. And, and my way in was not every morning going through an exercise.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It was just, it was a whole process and it was a process I went through when I lived alone, because yeah, it afforded me the opportunity to really dive in. And then even more recently, I did a checkup on it, which is really going through and pondering decisions you've made choices.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You've made the goods, the bads, the indifference with an understanding that had you made any of them differently that your life would be in a different place?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">And it tends to bring up things I feel bad about, and it tends to bring up, things I am proud for. So </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">there you go. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You have to take the charge out of the things that you feel bad about. Yeah, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> absolutely. And you know, that's just part of everything </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I had a friend who would constantly like, he knew the points that were vulnerable and he would go for them in a joking ish manner. But there was a sting to it until there wasn't a sting to it. Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And you guys w you had this banter back and forth where you would totally rag on each other, but nobody's feelings would be hurt.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:43]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, that's not a hundred percent true. Sometimes feelings would get hurt and things would get really raw, but the friendship was bigger than that. It wasn't something that could be, you know, it wasn't a friendship that could be shredded by an errant comment or even a biting comment. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:59]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Okay. So this is where I have a question.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So my friendship with someone totally got shredded because she snapped at me when I was being vulnerable. She snapped. And came at, came back at me with, cause I said to her, you don't understand. And not every friendship is this way first of all, because I remember like, let's take Holly as an example, years ago, I got fired from this job and I was devastated and I called her still at my desk saying they just fired me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And she was so happy on the phone. She's telling me, congratulations. This is wonderful. Thank God. And I was like, I came back at her like, you're awful right now. Why are you being so mean to me? Do you know what I mean? But she didn't say she didn't come back and get offended and like end the friendship.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">When I said. You're terrible right now. I'm in pain. You're not even, you don't even understand. I told her you don't understand, and that didn't offend her. It actually did did this thing where she embraced me and explained why it's good news. Do you know what I mean? She held me and our friendship got better even better.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Whereas last week, I told someone you don't understand when they were clearly not understanding my problem, , my situation, they did not understand. And I said, yeah, you don't understand. And from me, say, texting, yeah, you don't understand. She came at me with such a venom that it was the end of the friendship for me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like I don't have the capacity to be having an authentic friendship with this person because she just flew off the rails for me. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:02]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right, right. But again, there's so much nuance to that first of all well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:07]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> first of all, she was like, how dare you assume what I do and do not understand. I will never do that to you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like, she just went nuts on me. So I'm like, you know what? I can't fight any of this. Like I can't like, she hurt me so badly that I'm like, I can't fix this. I don't have the capacity to fix this because obviously the years that I've known her, maybe weren't as authentic as I thought, because here the authenticity came and boom, this happened, I'm sorry.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Please tell me what you were going to say. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:42]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, first of all, I have issues with texting, but let's just throw those away for a second. Cause it's impossible to hear tone from a text. I said, let's put that aside.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:53]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Respect mutual respect is what gets you through those moments? You know, I remember getting so pissed at this friend because I was already feeling stressed about something.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I think it was something about being late, which is one of these core things that I adhere to. So it's one of these like huge pet peeves that I have that I understand. and I remember just exploding all over him. And he just kind of listened and he understood, and he made a one smart Alec comment and I shut that down with anger and then he just backed off.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">He gave me my space, he respected me enough to give me my space. And I finally came back to center and, you know, I apologize cause I was way out of line. But at the time I wasn't feeling heard, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So, tricky but mutual respect factors into that. And that is something that occurs through time with people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So I was going through an interesting moment recently and I was talking to a buddy of mine and I kept saying, you know, this is all the weird stuff I've got going on just to express it and to, you know, shared pain is lessened, so sharing pain and then saying, but at least I'm not a fan of the sports team, which is his sports.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then he laughed and I laughed and that was good. So I did inject a little levity at the end of it, but still being completely authentic and that comes through, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I guess the question is, what do you do when you are usually authentic and then you get hurt and , you don't want to be authentic</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">so you end the friendship. Cause we were like, well, authenticity doesn't work. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:29]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. And, and that is humongously tricky. And sometimes a relationship needs to end. Some, all relationships, all friendships are not forever. There are friendships that are and there are others that aren't. People come and go as, as needed into your life sometimes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then sometimes it's about everybody taking a step away. Like I took a step away and I was like, dang, I was kind of a meanie. So I need to come back and make it okay. Because I treasure and I value this friendship and, you know, boom. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:01]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So yeah, I can't be friends with this person because I don't feel like it's strong enough </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">it's the kind of situation where the person thinks that they are in the right and I'm completely in the wrong where it's both, I can see where I'm wrong. I can see where I don't have the strength right now to be forgiving and to still respect this person. And I started to come up with all the things that I don't respect about this person.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I don't think that I have it in me to be fully loving towards this </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">person. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, you just said there are things I don't respect. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:36]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You know, and, uh, you know, I think to be friends with somebody is to respect them warts and all, as they say, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:46]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and I thought I did, I thought I did, but I realized I don't because certain things are deal breakers for me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so it's. It's done, you know, is that okay?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:00]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> As I said, some friendships, some relationships are, people are meant to come in and out and when things change, things </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">change,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:10]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but I realized all along, they never considered it the type of friendship that I thought it was. And that's what really hurts. And here I am saying, you know, going back to the Nico back-end ethics, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Know what kind of friend you have. And I didn't want to face the fact that I had signs all along that this person was in it for not the same reasons I was in. Right. But I ignored it because I just wanted to have a sisterhood. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:40]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Okay. I completely get it for me. I mean, you are, you're the cliff diver who like jumps from a hundred feet up into the water, plunges down 20 feet, you know, whereas I dip my toe in the water and if that's okay, then I put my foot in the water and I finally get to a point where, you know, I can embrace, I can submerge, I can, whatever, but it all takes time for me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And it's, it's a different way of doing it and it's not, absolutely not your way. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I feel like there's so much to do in life. I don't have time for that. Right. You know, I, I, I want to take a dive in and if you're with me, you're with me, but I got to say living that way, it can be painful sometimes, because then you get into the situation that I get into.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Uh it's. It's like, literally I'm so like stoked that, uh, All work seems to be remote now because day one at any job, they always took me out to lunch and taking me out to lunch with me as a vegan means, I get to, I have to tell them I'm a vegan. There is so much like burden that goes along with that because people make assumptions in the same way.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">People make assumptions about born again, Christians, or, you know, and a lot of that is not factored for me. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:05]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> The thing is that you have to hide the fact that you have this lifestyle that you have to defend it because most people think vegans are crazy people. But that's just it. You have to protect yourself and you have to prove to them that you're like this human being that doesn't stand on a soapbox and say, meat is murder, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> you know, well, and, but that's just it authentically.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I am that guy. I don't stand on a soapbox and say, meat is murder. If you want to talk about, you know, the standard American diet, we can talk about it. If you don't want to, if you want to deny it a million other things, then that's fine </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">too. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:38]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> The prove, the protect, the defend, the hide.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Are the aspects that come in again. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:44]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. But that's just it, I don't hide it. It's just</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> because you're authentic</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:50]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it, I don't come into the place with vegan, a vegan button on, or, you know, a magic light behind me that says, yes, he's vegan. I allow it to emerge organically so that, you know, because it's not.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It is certainly a part of me, but the key initial things that people discover about me are he's helpful. He's friendly, he's interested. He's curious. Those are more central than, and he's never late. And he doesn't like it when you're late. Um, those are the things that are central and, you know, being vegan is one of like a kajillion aspects.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I don't tell people the music I listen to either. I don't tell them that I follow the tour de France. It just typically doesn't come up at first. I'm not going to give somebody the laundry list of this is exactly who I am. I, you know, that comes through </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:46]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I guess that's part of what resumes were for.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So they know like maybe there should be resumes for friendships. You know, like, this is me, this is my path. This is what I do. This is who I am. And they know this stuff exists and you'll figure it out as time goes on, I guess. I don't know. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:06]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> This conversation went a completely different direction. I thought it would </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> okay. You always say that every time we talk, where did you think authenticity would go to what I said? You know, we should be talking about authenticity </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I was expecting to talking about rock and roll, but that's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:19]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> a whole other story.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">What were you going to say about rock and roll praise? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> The key thing that differentiates, differentiates, excuse me, rock and roll from like pop music. Is that rock and roll is, and this is encyclopedia Britannica people. They say that rock and roll is authentic and pop is not. Pop is constructed and being authentic means being true to one's personality, spirit, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and character.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:51]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Maybe they should say rock and roll is genuine because it belongs to, or not the other way around. There's genuine, which is belonging to. Being native and authenticity is conforming to the reality worthy of trust, reliance, or belief. So maybe the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:43:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> different, different, we, we, we pulled our definitions from different places.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:43:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Like genuine means it comes from this original source. So maybe the words should be different. That they use for </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:43:23]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> rock and roll any, any anyways, it's likely encyclopedia, Britannica states rock and roll is authentic and pop isn't necessarily. And so they even cited. It was funny because it's older, but they actually even cited that Madonna can be considered a rock artist because it comes from an authentic place in her.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:43:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Like I said, genuine. Belonging to coming from the original stock native and authentic is conforming to reality and therefore worthy of trust, reliance, or belief. I'm just saying maybe the words should be used differently.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">I dunno, it was getting too complicated. What I'm saying? Do you understand what I'm? You don't understand what I'm saying? I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:09]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> do. I just, yeah, I have different. I have a different definition. First of </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> all, we can't talk about art and art is so changeable depending on your mood. You know, you can't say art is this. Art is constantly changing and evolving, transforming. You</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">can't say this is rock and roll. It's just one person's definition. Isn't it? Hello, encyclopedia. You know what that's like saying that's like Bible, something right there. I don't care if it's in the encyclopedia Britannica one man wrote that probably. Oh Matt has given me the death look, whatever.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Some people wrote it with a specific point of view. On what defines life like you? Can't life is you cannot define life. You cannot define it. You sure as heck can't define art. It is different for everyone. Rock and roll maybe meaning something so different to someone else. It's how you feel. If you feel rock and roll.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If that's what the term you put on it, it's rock and roll. I don't think Madonna is rock and roll. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:29]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> No, but they said she was a rock artist. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. I don't care. We're getting into like, exactly, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:36]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> like I said, religion off on a tangent, so you can cut this whole segment out </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:41]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and you will well, anyway, again, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:43]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> thank you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Actually entered it so beautifully before he asked me if I had anything else to </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> say. So anyway, authentically. Sincerely, thank you for listening to us as always go to our friendly world podcast.com to get ahold of us, to talk to us and to support us in any way you want, whether that's coming on our show, donating anything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Thank you so much for listening. Thank you. Thank you for hearing us and having us be heard. Really appreciate you. Talk to you soon. Be well, bye.</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Did you know that our cells, (the cells in our bodies) create light? Science today is telling us that even our cells emit light when they perform their functions. Neurons in the brain and spinal nerves have been found to produce photons. Photons are tiny particles of light that influence our very atomic structure when they send impulses to each other. They're communicating through light!  "The Energy Codes" by Dr. Sue Morter. A little quote that actually blends into what we're talking about today, about authenticity. A quote from the book:
"The key to a fully empowered experience of life is embodying the energy that you are." When I read that to me, I get, to live fully, you have to be fully yourself. Don't hide. Don't try to edit yourself because you're afraid, afraid of not having this friend, or afraid of not having the job.
Also, what is the difference between authentic and genuine?
We discuss 4 keys to noticing the authenticity in yourself and others.
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The Art of Authenticity
[00:00:00] Fawn: Welcome back. 
[00:00:01] Matt: Hello? 
[00:00:01] Fawn: Hello. How can I thank you for listening and come across in the way that I really feel in my heart. How do I do that? Would that not sounding authentic? How do I do that? 
[00:00:13] Matt: Uh, yes, authenticity is in a challenging place for me right now. I happen to be, uh, uh, interviewing with different companies.
So that's always a tricky thing. Tricky 
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[00:00:25] Fawn: I'm in a tricky spot with it myself, because I was being my normal self. I'm an open book and with a friend, if something bothers me, I talk about it in a gentle way. And I felt like the person wasn't hearing me. So I went to the next person in our little tiny circle.
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                    <![CDATA[The Wabi-Sabi Friend, How to Appreciate Every Connection and Situation in Life]]>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="color:#0000cc;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;"><em><strong>The Japanese aesthetic principle embraces the imperfect and impermanent nature of all things; recognizing beauty in the flawed, the incomplete, and the broken.<br /><br /><br />Beauty can be found beneath the imperfect surface. (I repeat) Beauty can be found beneath the imperfect surface. Wabi-Sabi W A B I - S A B I Wabi-Sabi is the Japanese aesthetic principle that embraces the imperfect and impermanent nature of all things. Recognizing beauty in the flawed, the incomplete, and the broken; the beauty of imperfection, the beauty of quote-unquote imperfection, the understanding and appreciation, and respect<br /><br />for, or of the transience, the imperfection, as we see it and recognizing the beauty of it all. That's Wabi-Sabi.<br /><br />Wabi-sabi stems from the Buddhist understanding of three life principles. One is impermanence. Two is, suffering. Three is emptiness or absence,<br /><br />but the meaning over time has transformed into finding joy in solitude, appreciating nature, lauding, old-age wisdom, accepting that things come and go, and loving them honestly, and deeply while they last. Wabi-Sabi recognizes that nothing lasts forever. And so it is rare and beautiful.<br /><br /> Some of the traits include modesty, subtle grace, acceptance,<br /><br />earthiness and peacefulness. We can find wabi-sabi and everything. We can find it in aesthetics like when things are not symmetrical when there's asymmetry happening, that's wabi-sabi. You can find wabi-sabi in poetry. Every word is chosen after careful consideration and carries multiple meanings and intentions. You can find wabi-sabi in pop culture<br /><br />when you are seeking the not so perfect.<br /><br /> As we, take in wabi-sabi and friendship, let's first look at how to ground ourselves and appreciate our lives as they are; as is; the big dreams, the big plans for the future, and every worry. Appreciate where you are right now. How can we do that? How can you appreciate where you are. That's part of wabi-sabi. Stop worrying about being so perfect.<br /><br />It can block you. It can block you if you're trying to write a book. It blocks you in the art that you create. It blocks you from starting a brand new, beautiful journal when you are afraid to make one mark because you are seeking that perfection and you will end up not making any marks at all. And then if you do make all the perfect marks, does that really show your personality?<br /><br />Does that really show the feeling, the emotion of basically all the things that you need when you're creating art?<br /><br /> Stop boring about being so perfect. It blocks you. <br /><br />Highlighting the importance of every moment, even the hardships. <br /><br />Accept things as they are, and as they </strong></em><strong>come.</strong><strong><em> <br /><br />Appreciate your life where it is now and work towards your goals from there. <br /><br />Strive for excellence, but don't get caught up in perfectionism.<br /><br />Live your own perfect life with all its precious imperfections. <br /><br />It sounds like I'm telling you what to do. Really. I'm telling myself what to do right now because we're in the midst of such a limbo that this is why we're talking about what we're talking about today because it's a lesson that I had to make myself sit down and bring to use. Appreciating what doesn't seem so great.</em></strong></span></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Brilliant moment. It was a brilliant moment for you. </span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[The Japanese aesthetic principle embraces the imperfect and impermanent nature of all things; recognizing beauty in the flawed, the incomplete, and the broken.Beauty can be found beneath the imperfect surface. (I repeat) Beauty can be found beneath the imperfect surface. Wabi-Sabi W A B I - S A B I Wabi-Sabi is the Japanese aesthetic principle that embraces the imperfect and impermanent nature of all things. Recognizing beauty in the flawed, the incomplete, and the broken; the beauty of imperfection, the beauty of quote-unquote imperfection, the understanding and appreciation, and respectfor, or of the transience, the imperfection, as we see it and recognizing the beauty of it all. That's Wabi-Sabi.Wabi-sabi stems from the Buddhist understanding of three life principles. One is impermanence. Two is, suffering. Three is emptiness or absence,but the meaning over time has transformed into finding joy in solitude, appreciating nature, lauding, old-age wisdom, accepting that things come and go, and loving them honestly, and deeply while they last. Wabi-Sabi recognizes that nothing lasts forever. And so it is rare and beautiful. Some of the traits include modesty, subtle grace, acceptance,earthiness and peacefulness. We can find wabi-sabi and everything. We can find it in aesthetics like when things are not symmetrical when there's asymmetry happening, that's wabi-sabi. You can find wabi-sabi in poetry. Every word is chosen after careful consideration and carries multiple meanings and intentions. You can find wabi-sabi in pop culturewhen you are seeking the not so perfect. As we, take in wabi-sabi and friendship, let's first look at how to ground ourselves and appreciate our lives as they are; as is; the big dreams, the big plans for the future, and every worry. Appreciate where you are right now. How can we do that? How can you appreciate where you are. That's part of wabi-sabi. Stop worrying about being so perfect.It can block you. It can block you if you're trying to write a book. It blocks you in the art that you create. It blocks you from starting a brand new, beautiful journal when you are afraid to make one mark because you are seeking that perfection and you will end up not making any marks at all. And then if you do make all the perfect marks, does that really show your personality?Does that really show the feeling, the emotion of basically all the things that you need when you're creating art? Stop boring about being so perfect. It blocks you. Highlighting the importance of every moment, even the hardships. Accept things as they are, and as they come. Appreciate your life where it is now and work towards your goals from there. Strive for excellence, but don't get caught up in perfectionism.Live your own perfect life with all its precious imperfections. It sounds like I'm telling you what to do. Really. I'm telling myself what to do right now because we're in the midst of such a limbo that this is why we're talking about what we're talking about today because it's a lesson that I had to make myself sit down and bring to use. Appreciating what doesn't seem so great.
 
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[00:00:00] Fawn: Brilliant moment. It was a brilliant moment for you. 
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                    <![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="color:#0000cc;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;"><em><strong>The Japanese aesthetic principle embraces the imperfect and impermanent nature of all things; recognizing beauty in the flawed, the incomplete, and the broken.<br /><br /><br />Beauty can be found beneath the imperfect surface. (I repeat) Beauty can be found beneath the imperfect surface. Wabi-Sabi W A B I - S A B I Wabi-Sabi is the Japanese aesthetic principle that embraces the imperfect and impermanent nature of all things. Recognizing beauty in the flawed, the incomplete, and the broken; the beauty of imperfection, the beauty of quote-unquote imperfection, the understanding and appreciation, and respect<br /><br />for, or of the transience, the imperfection, as we see it and recognizing the beauty of it all. That's Wabi-Sabi.<br /><br />Wabi-sabi stems from the Buddhist understanding of three life principles. One is impermanence. Two is, suffering. Three is emptiness or absence,<br /><br />but the meaning over time has transformed into finding joy in solitude, appreciating nature, lauding, old-age wisdom, accepting that things come and go, and loving them honestly, and deeply while they last. Wabi-Sabi recognizes that nothing lasts forever. And so it is rare and beautiful.<br /><br /> Some of the traits include modesty, subtle grace, acceptance,<br /><br />earthiness and peacefulness. We can find wabi-sabi and everything. We can find it in aesthetics like when things are not symmetrical when there's asymmetry happening, that's wabi-sabi. You can find wabi-sabi in poetry. Every word is chosen after careful consideration and carries multiple meanings and intentions. You can find wabi-sabi in pop culture<br /><br />when you are seeking the not so perfect.<br /><br /> As we, take in wabi-sabi and friendship, let's first look at how to ground ourselves and appreciate our lives as they are; as is; the big dreams, the big plans for the future, and every worry. Appreciate where you are right now. How can we do that? How can you appreciate where you are. That's part of wabi-sabi. Stop worrying about being so perfect.<br /><br />It can block you. It can block you if you're trying to write a book. It blocks you in the art that you create. It blocks you from starting a brand new, beautiful journal when you are afraid to make one mark because you are seeking that perfection and you will end up not making any marks at all. And then if you do make all the perfect marks, does that really show your personality?<br /><br />Does that really show the feeling, the emotion of basically all the things that you need when you're creating art?<br /><br /> Stop boring about being so perfect. It blocks you. <br /><br />Highlighting the importance of every moment, even the hardships. <br /><br />Accept things as they are, and as they </strong></em><strong>come.</strong><strong><em> <br /><br />Appreciate your life where it is now and work towards your goals from there. <br /><br />Strive for excellence, but don't get caught up in perfectionism.<br /><br />Live your own perfect life with all its precious imperfections. <br /><br />It sounds like I'm telling you what to do. Really. I'm telling myself what to do right now because we're in the midst of such a limbo that this is why we're talking about what we're talking about today because it's a lesson that I had to make myself sit down and bring to use. Appreciating what doesn't seem so great.</em></strong></span></span></span></p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>Transcript: Wabi Sabi Friend</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Brilliant moment. It was a brilliant moment for you. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes, it was. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:05]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm glad you had a perfect moment. Matt's talking about listening to the "Dark Side of the Moon". Pink Floyd's "</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Dark Side of the Moon". </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:11]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And it's been years since he listened to it because the timing and the, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:15]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> the moment, his fear time was </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> brilliant.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It was perfect. And he listened to it for the first time since then </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">it's been a long, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:23]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> no, no, no, no, no. I haven't listened to it since. I listened to Pink floyd's "The Wall" yesterday. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:28]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Why must you point that at me? Like you point that at me, like it hurts. Oh my God. I hate it when people point to my face.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Cause I can feel it's sharp energy. Can I, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:39]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> can I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:39]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> imagine he pointed his pen right at me and shook it? Can </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:43]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I just tell the whole story of listening to Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon"? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Alright. We've already talked </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">about, we've already talked about this, but go ahead. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:51]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Fawn and I, took a train.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">All the way up from Los Angeles to Seattle, which by the way is a very </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">long time. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And because of other tracks, or I don't know what's happening, but there are so many delays, like it stops. And I was like, I kept looking out the window. I'm like, I can walk faster to Seattle than this.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Anyway, anyway, on our way back. so going there, we were in the cattle car and going home. I was like, no, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And on another show we talked about going up there, please listen to that in previous episodes. I don't remember which episode, but wow. If you want a little education on the heartbeat of race relations in America, and this was way before all the elections, the past few years.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Wow. And Matt was the instigator. I'll tell my </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> story</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">anyways. So coming home, we had our own room as it were, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:50]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> we did?!</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:50]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> We did, we traveled first class</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:53]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> stop. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Oh, it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">was because they gave us an upgrade because of all the fiascos that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">happened on </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">the way up </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:57]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> that was part of it anyways. It was nighttime Fawn was, in the club car, I think</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I made some friends </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and you were hanging out in the club car.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so I laid in our little, and it was a little, little bed and I could look out the window and I listened toPink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" the whole thing. So you heard the clackity clack of the rails? It was nighttime. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:21]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> How long is the whole album when you listen to, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> uh, since I haven't listened to it in many years, I want to say it clocks in at standard album length.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So it's probably, it's somewhere between 33 and 65 minutes. That's typically album length when, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:36]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> um, so it's like a movie minus, minus 30 </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:39]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> minutes. See, I listen to music all the time. My wife on the other hand, not so much. I mean, don't you remember? Like, nevermind. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:46]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">do listen to music. Why you say that? I do listen to music.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">All right. I don't have albums. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:53]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Exactly. I mean, how do you really get into the mindset of the albums? How do you get into the mindset of an artist? If you don't listen to the tracks laid out in the order that they, they specify. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> All right. You know what? Everything for me is ART. All right. I don't need to just listen to albums and try to configure the, the mindset of whatever.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Okay. I'm dealing with my own mind. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:18]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh, wait a second. So, you can almost say that, you're appreciating something in a very transitory nature. Okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Stop it. Stop. Hold on. Hold. Stop it. No, no, don't get. Yes, don't go over there with it though. Don't go over there yet. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:34]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Transitory nature, which I believe segues as right into today's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:39]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> topic.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know what, let me turn this off. We're going to start again. BYE! (Fawn turns off the recording and they come back)</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Oh, my God, everybody welcome back. Help. You know, one of our friends that was listening (a new listener) told us it was so funny because I guess she caught an episode where we were fighting like that. And then we told everyone, we were just in a fight. Hello, good morning. And I was about to say, wow, we haven't fought in a long time, but here we go.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">As soon as I have that thought, there we go. We have another fight. So Matt. E. Okay. Don't hijack. What I'm trying to say. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:13]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Did you actually turn my microphone on? I can actually talk. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh my God. All right. Good morning, everybody. Good evening. Hello to all the time zones. Hello. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome, happy day.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yay. Love is winning today's show. Let's get into it. Let me start over. Here we go. A brief stop. Laughing. A brief pause.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The Japanese aesthetic principle that embraces the imperfect and impermanent nature of all things; recognizing beauty in the flawed, the incomplete, and the broken.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Beauty can be found beneath the imperfect surface. (I repeat) Beauty can be found beneath the imperfect surface. Wabi-Sabi W A B I - S A B I Wabi -Sabi the Japanese aesthetic principle that embraces the imperfect and impermanent nature of all things. Recognizing beauty in the flawed, the incomplete and the broken; the beauty of imperfection, the beauty of quote unquote imperfection, the understanding and appreciation and respect</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">for, or of the transience, the imperfection, as we see it and recognizing the beauty of it all. That's Wabi-Sabi.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Wabi-sabi stems from the Buddhist understanding of three life principles. One is impermanence. Two is, suffering. Three is emptiness or absence,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">but the meaning over time has transformed to finding joy in solitude, appreciating nature, lauding, old age wisdom, accepting that things come and go and loving them honestly, and deeply while they last. Wabi-Sabi recognizes that nothing lasts forever. And so it is rare and beautiful.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Some of the traits includes modesty, subtle grace, acceptance,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">earthiness and peacefulness. We can find wabi-sabi and everything. We can find it in aesthetics, like when things are not symmetrical, when there's asymmetry happening, that's wabi-sabi. You can find wabi-sabi in poetry. Every word chosen after careful consideration and carries multiple meanings and intentions. You can find wabi-sabi in pop culture</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">when you are seeking the not so perfect.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">As we, take in wabi-sabi and friendship, let's first look at how to ground ourselves and appreciate our lives as they are; as is; the big dreams, the big plans for the future and every worries. Appreciate where you are right now. How can we do that? How can you appreciate where you are. That's part of wabi-sabi. Stop worrying about being so perfect.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It can block you. It can block you if you're trying to write a book. It blocks you in the art that you create. It blocks you in starting a brand new, beautiful journal when you are afraid to make one mark, because you are seeking that perfection and you will end up not making any marks at all. And then if you do make all the perfect marks, does that really show the personality?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Does that really show the feeling, the emotion of basically all the things that you need when you're creating art?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Stop boring about being so perfect. It block you. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Highlighting the importance of every moment, even the hardships. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Accept things as they are, and as they come. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Appreciate your life where it is now and work towards your goals from there. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Strive for excellence, but don't get caught up in the perfectionism.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Live your own perfect life with all its precious imperfections. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><em>It sounds like I'm telling you what to do. Really. I'm telling myself what to do right now, because we're in the midst of such a limbo that this is why we're talking about what we're talking about today, because it's a lesson that I had to make myself sit down and bring to use. Appreciating what doesn't seem so great.</em></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><em>How can you love something that's unlovable?</em> Everyday seek out something that you don't want to love. I used to do that all the time in Santa Monica. Remember that studio that I always talk about. It's so beautiful. It was so great. I made it great after awhile. Like I fixed it up and made it look really nice and clean and beautiful, like a beautiful, beautiful photography studio.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But I remember laying down in bed and looking at the cracked wall, the radiator where the wall was kind of falling apart and thinking, okay, if I was a director of a movie, how would I show this part as beautiful? How would I look at this ugly part of the apartment of which there were many parts ugly, but how can I make it seem so beautiful and romantic.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then before I know. It wasn't just my mentality. Whoever came over was like, wow, this place is really beautiful. Do you know what I mean? It changes everything. When you appreciate the imperfect, it is quite extraordinary. And so let's get into the wabi-sabi of friendship because we're not perfect and everything is transitory.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Let's deep dive into wabi-sabi in life. All right, Matt. Matt's like Matt, we need to shoot video. That's really funny. His expressions. All right, go ahead, Matt, what do you say? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:22]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> (Matt is laughing) Well, Fawn, Hello, everybody. I'm actually now allowed to talk. This is a good thing. Yay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:30]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Stop it. Stop that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So in point of fact, as my, um, Co-Heart cohost has accurately stated, we talked about Wabi -Sabi. Now the actual word Wabi, it's actually a conjunction of two words.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Not in like IKIGAI. Wabi actually the first. Literally translated into the bittersweet pleasure in being alone. So this'll be fun as far </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">as</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Wait... so "Wabi" is about being alone. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Bittersweet pleasure. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> The bittersweet pleasure of being </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">alone. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:59]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Perfect. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:00]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And Sabi is the, it's almost like how everything looks better when you look back on it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So it's the "Noble Veneer that the passage of time lends to people and objects". </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What does that mean? Can you say that in a normal voice? I didn't understand what you just said, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> but it's more fun to say it in that voice. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:19]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I didn't, it did not register and compute. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It's the Nobel veneer, meaning, you know, patina on something that the passage of time lends to people and objects.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So you don't necessarily realize that the span of time that you're living is, one of the best times of your life, oftentimes until after it's over. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:39]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hm. Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:40]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So it's this kind of looking back. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:43]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So that's why we want to harness it and maneuver a time and space so we can appreciate it in the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">moment.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:50]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right? Absolutely. Appreciate it in the moment. That's the key and not constantly compare it to, the greatest moment of your life because you know, a few moments can hold to that, but appreciate the moments for </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">what they are. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. It sounds like we're so intelligent. I think we sound intelligent.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We probably don't, but it's funny because let's be honest. How did we learn about wabi-sabi? We learned about it years ago, but </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:18]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Why I was reading, you know, my 800 page book on Zen Buddhism. Where did you find out about it? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hank Hill. What was the name? When I show king of "King of the Hill" I don't know other countries listening "King of the Hill".</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I don't know if you get that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Mike Judge actually, wrote, produced, et cetera, the show. And he's the guy who made Idiocracy, which was a interesting movie to say the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">least.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:44]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Really? I didn't know that idiocrasy, if you watch that, it's absurd and good. But yeah, it's an animation adult animation series kind of like the Simpsons, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> but it takes place in Texas </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It takes place in Texas. And it's very stereotypical Texan family, I guess, except for they have this little boy who is not a typical Texan. And one day he started talking about wabi-sabi. What was that? He had a plant, he was growing a plant </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:12]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> again, atypical.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">He was growing a rose for a </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">competition. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh my goodness. He's the wabi-sabi. Bobby Hill is wabi-sabi </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:22]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and that's fair. So he was trying to grow a rose for competition, and then his dad got all involved and then there was a smoke shop involved because they supplied lights and things for the flowers.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yeah, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:37]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but they </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">keep what?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:38]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> but they keep kind of referencing he's really growing marijuana, even though he really isn't, which is truly funny. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:43]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And this </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">show was years ago before the legalization of marijuana in America. But let's give our audience some description of the dad. The dad is very stereotypical Texan.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> He played high school football. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. He's very conservative. He wants men to be men. And he wants women to be women. Like he's very, he's very </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> tight </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">He does loosen up over the course of the show, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:07]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but the show ran for many years. Is it still going? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">No, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">it stopped. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:11]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Unfortunately it ended. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I remember how it ended years ago. Yeah. It was not happy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right. Didn't they kill off like major character, whatever. I don't know. It doesn't matter. I digress once again, but so, you know, the dad is very strict and he's just very conservative and his son is not into sports. He's very philosophical. He's a little girly. He's he has, uh, uh, actually they were way ahead of their time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">He's actually a well-balanced human being. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:44]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:44]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> He carries the yin and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">yang with him. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:46]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, he definitely knows. He's very connected to his inner Popeye. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:50]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yes. He knows who he is. He knows his superstar. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:54]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I would say that he's just not hyper-masculine, it's just his interests and his desires aren't in line with his father's definition of what masculine is.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:06]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> He's a human, he is a hundred percent a human being and he doesn't care what others think. And remember that episode where he was. Did his dad want him to study wrestling, but he ended up going to another class and he studied, he was </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:23]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> getting bullied and his father wanted him to fight back.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so he started to teach him how to box, because that's how you, that's, how it's done. That was in his mind, how it was done, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> how to fight like a man. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And so he gave up and he said, go take a self-defense class at the YMCA. So he ends up in a women's self-defense class, where he learns how to</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">defend himself in more of a Krav Maga format, which is you make use of whatever your opponent, all of your opponent's weak spots. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And part of it is you say whatever you have to say, you do whatever you have to do. And so we have lines in our family, like we'll just recite lines from our favorite shows, our favorite movies.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And one of them is from Bobby Hill that always cracks us up, which is the way he says: "I don't know you!" Like, he's he yells this at an attacker. He goes, "I don't know you that's my purse." </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">then he attacks. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:22]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But like, he'll say that line. Didn't he say that line in an actual attack? It wasn't a </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> class he did, but again, in, I think in women's self defense at that moment in time, I don't know what it looks like now, but it's about letting your attacker know that you're not </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">afraid of them. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:38]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And also you're not afraid to look </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and get you're gathering your power, as you're saying this, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:43]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> you're </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">not afraid to look crazy. You're not afraid to look any way or you're not afraid to sound any way. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:51]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You're just, you're not sounding like a victim </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">at that point.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You don't care what someone else thinks.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So therefore he would just yell. I don't know you that's my purse. So you, you make that loud statement, so people know something is happening. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So going back to the wabi-sabi and how we found out what Bobby Bobby would wabi-sabi rhymes with Bobby actually means.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So he's growing this rose and his dad comes along and what happens, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">honey? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> The dad reads the, all the, rules and regulations and how roses are judged. And it turns out is hyper-specific hyper serious. There is an absolute definition of a best rose and Hank takes over his child. Even though Bobby is saying, wouldn't it be fun if we did this?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Wouldn't it be cool. And, and the dad's like, we can't do that because, you know, you won't win. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:49]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> hyper focused on winning. Whereas Bobby is more interested in the experience, and he's okay with winning or not winning. And then finally at the end, Hank does something and he screws up one of the interior pedals.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">My God do I know these things anyways. Or something happens to one of the interior pedals of this rose. And then Hank goes in with Clippers to quote unquote fix it. But he leaves a tell and then as it's getting judged, they notice it and he's like, But what about the Wabi Sabi? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:22]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> No, but </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:23]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> he Hank recoils into trying to use that as a defense of this rose, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:28]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but it was Bobby Bobby who told him about wabi-sabi initially.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then later on, the dad embraces </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:36]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> wabi-sabi hides behind it in point of fact, in </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:39]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> my mind. Wait, who hides behind it? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hank,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:42]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> no, but like, I remember watching the show and little Bobby was saying, but it's wabi-sabi. And my ears perked up. I'm like, what is that? Is it, uh, what is that? And so he explained this is beautiful.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">This flower is beautiful because it has wabi-sabi. It is not perfectly symmetrical that there's beauty in this rare being. There's beauty in this, normally asymmetrical way. It makes it unique. It's beautiful this way. And his dad was like, Nope, it needs to be perfectly this way. Right. To be judged and to be,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:20]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> to win, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:20]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> to win.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And so, so friends, that's how we found out about wabi-sabi. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">that's how Fawn out about </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:28]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> stop it. Did </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:29]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> you really? Oh my goodness. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But, you know, you can learn fascinating things everywhere. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, that's just, it, I think the whole point is, one of the aspects of wabi-sabi is looking for beauty, everywhere and the most mundane objects in, you know, the, the moment. And there are certain ways that are quote unquote accepted and certain ways that aren't. Like in point of fact, if you were crazy, like me and wake up super early, there is like a five minute span, if I look out the window. When the sun is rising, it is so... it was so beautiful the other day, five minutes. And that's all it was. And like the sky had the rest of it was on it. Well, it's just the sun's rising. It's just, it's, you know, a flashlight coming up on some level versus this just moment of, you know, the pink hues were melding with the white, gray clouds.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We're melding with the blue sky. It was, it was, it was picturesque. It was beautiful. And then it's gone. So it's very transitory. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. So speaking of transitory, when I've had to work on the past month, month and a half has been, you know, I like things, Matt says I'm OCD. Like I like things. Perfect. Our wall of herbal jars all have to, every jar has to face.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Exactly so like everything has to face exactly. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:53]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh, you know </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:55]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> what? Stop it, stop it. But like, I like things to be beautiful. And I do appreciate wabi-sabi. I do appreciate asymmetry, but I make the asymmetry happen. Everything has to be just right. And everything has a home in our home. And the past two months, I want to say it's been more than a month and a half,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">we've been living, surrounded with boxes because I'm like enough, we're moving, we're moving. I'm just going to start packing. So little by little, I started packing and I would hide the boxes from Matt because I don't want him to stress out. Matt doesn't like change. So it got to a point where I couldn't hide the boxes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And it also got to a point where I just can't take it anymore. Like I want to move. I want the life that I want for us. I want to live already that life. And so now everything is boxed up except for our wall of Joe. Well, you know what? 80% of the jars are packed, but you still have a wall of jars. our food isn't totally packed and our clothes, most of our clothes are not packed.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Everything is packed guys, everything. So we're surrounded with boxes and it doesn't look pretty. And I've had to get my mind around looking at how beautiful it is and it's in it's way. So the beauty of the transitory, like literally, like I have to find beauty in this apartment where all the magical things have come off the walls.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There's no, like it's just boxes basically. And finding beauty in that. And then also, I always talk to you guys about the Nicomachean ethics, knowing who your friends are, knowing the people that come into your life. What kind of friend is that? And coming to terms with it as early as possible so you don't get heartbroken.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But with me, when I meet someone I love. So much. And I think this is the one, much like before Matt, any guy that came up that resembled what I thought Matt was like, I was looking for Matt since I was born. I was like, I found him, yay. I found him I'm in love. We're going to get married. And it was not it at all.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But, and then, you know, heartbreak and confusion set in all that stuff over and over and over again. And the thing with friendship is kind of the same way with me. I open myself up. I I'm like this is that this is family right here. This is, this is my sister. This is my brother we're family. And then sure enough, something happens and you're like, wow, no, this person doesn't care for me as much as I care for them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And. It's seriously, a pain that you feel in your heart. If you allow for that feeling to be, if you're honest with yourself and you try to feel what your body feels like with all these emotions, all these feelings. It is painful. It is a physical pain, and that's what I've been going through the past couple of weeks.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Again, again, coming to terms with the people that I thought were my besties really don't consider me in that same vein. For them is something totally different. And I knew all the signs, but I ignored all the signs. I ignored it. I thought, well, they're busy. They're going through their stuff. It's okay that they forgot about this major, major thing that's happened. A few major things that have happened. It's okay that they never ask about it. They're probably preoccupied, but too many things happened and, and they sense it too. Like they sense you sensing these things. So then conflict arises and that's why I'm also doing the show today is it's all wabi-sabi.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You have to get to a point where you can see the beauty of it all. Even the beauty of a friend turning ugly on you. A friend leaving because nothing lasts forever. Getting to a place where you can appreciate what they offered you in life, what they brought to life and just remembering that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And also remembering of course, Hey, they also, did A, B, and C, which was not cool. But not holding onto it forever. You know what I'm saying? And I think for me, that's how I'm choosing to look at wabi-sabi and friendship. How do you equate wabi-sabi and friendship? How do you pull it together, Matt?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But when I asked you, I'm like, do you think we'll ever find any friends, like for a real in the future and you said </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:40]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> no.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">No, I didn't say no. I said, I said, no, for me, I didn't say </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:45]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> no for you yet. That's what I mean. And that made me so sad. And then I was like, you know what, me too, that me too. I'm never making any more friends again.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm good. We're just going to find, make sure that Elle and Allegra have friends</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> no, it's, it's literally, until I can get myself into that naivete mindset you know, that saying, you know, love, like you've never been hurt, dance like no one's watching, you have to be in that mindset and you have to let it go.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You have to open your heart. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I don't know if I want to anymore. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">that's what everybody says, the instant they get broken up with, or, but you know, your, your own habits creep up. For me, you know? Friends with me as a very slow process. I have people who are in my life, who I've known for years, that I still have this acquaintance kind of thing, because there is a certain rigor to it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There is a certain distancing to it. There is. And it's, it's everybody just being careful. It's. I Think. And, it's not until we can truly let that go, that, friendship can truly truly happen. You know, I'm involved in their lives. I hear about what's going on with their lives. One of my friends actually, her daughter is getting married today and then she's having back surgery.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So it's not like, I don't know what's going on in their lives. And we stay in touch with each other and we constantly not constantly, but we call each other frequently but I'm not completely emotionally invested. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. So I can see that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And there's still a beauty in it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:22]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Absolutely. There's a great, um, what's the word when you have, when you exercise great restraints, you, you master yourself and your actions.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There is great discipline. That's the word I was looking for. There is great disciplinein, in forming connections and friendships like that. Like that. I mean, by, by doing it slowly, I'm not slow in anything. I am like a flee that's like, boin boing boing boing boing! I'm like a golden retriever dog. Uh, middle Eastern version. So maybe a chocolate Labrador, Labrador.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">What do you call those dogs? A dark one chocolate chocolate, but you know, like a lab, um, I'm a, I'm a dog, I'm a dog that sniffs you from miles away and then starts running towards you. I'll jump on you and lick you and tell you how much I love you, because I recognize you. I recognize your spirit and I have no qualms about like letting you know upfront within that instant we meet where the heck have you been?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I've been looking for you my entire life, come on, you know, and then later realizing the person is not feeling it. Do you know what I'm saying? But it'll take a while. And it's heartbreaking for me because I am in it. I am like, I will be your best friend. I will be there except I don't like to pick you up from the airport.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Please. Don't ask me that. I don't like to do that. Please get an Uber or something. But one of the things I really love about my friendship with Wendy is she took command. Cause I was like, I was like ready to jump on her and like lick her and go. And I did, I, I told, you know, I mean, lick like metaphorically, I'm not talking about for real, you know what I'm saying?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm just saying, but like I told her immediately and it also. Also because you, Matt very rarely, really like someone from the very beginning, like you can always send people and you will just be quiet. Like I'll make a bunch of friends and you're just quiet. Like you won't say anything anymore. And in that silence, I can tell, oh, Matt doesn't really there's.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Matt has picked up some signs, but I ignore it. I'm like, no, everything's wonderful. I love this person. And then later on like, like the way you're looking right now, he, he, his lips disappear. Like he, he doesn't want to speak and his eyebrows go up. Like I told you that, that, that, no, your lips disappear. He's trying to, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm trying to push my lips out and lower my eyebrows.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So I look really freaky, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:11]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but what I love about my friendship with Wendy is she took control. She with her mastery, she, she. Do I say pruned, what's the right word. She, she tended our friendship in such a way that it took forever little by little, for us to get closer and closer. And I'm just marveling in our friendship and it's still growing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Do you know what I'm saying? And it's quite beautiful. It feels like home, but as far as. Um, Matt, you usually like no, instantly, like I remember you met one of my friends in Santa Monica and you had a word for her that terrified me. You just said one word. I don't know if it's one word or two. Is it hyphenated?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I don't know. But you said no, it's one word you said all you said to me in regards to this friend was freight train. And I was terrified because I knew you long enough to know that you're incredibly observant and you see things like, and I'm like, no way, man, you are so wrong and sure enough, like later on as time passed, you were absolutely right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I don't know, you have such a gift for recognizing immediately, but as soon as you saw Wendy, you were like I love her,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">And you chose those words. I don't think he used the word love, but you just, you, you immediately, as soon as </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:46]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I think I said, she's good people, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but you said she is one that we're going to have in our life. You said something, I don't remember your exact words, but that was what you said.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Do you know what I'm saying? That is what you were implying. Like she's the one she's good. She's she's great. She's incredible. And so that's our friendship with Wendy, but yeah, so I have to take it slow, but I can't, I just, it's not my nature. I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:15]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> don't. How long were we friends before we started dating?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:21]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I had no idea what was happening. That was the only way that I was going to work. Oh my God, you, you pull the Wendy on me. That's true. Yeah, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> that's true. I would say Wendy pulled a Matt on you. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. All right. I dislike not being in control. I just want to be a dog. I just want to frolic and go. Yeah, I love you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Why can't you just love me back? Gosh, that's painful out here.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So now I'm feeling raw all over again. Can you take over the conversation for a little bit until I calm down? I'm going to take a </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> second. Okay. So let's go back to wabi-sabi cause we should, after all it is the, kind of the name of the show. So this is interesting. Something I hadn't really contemplated before, but one of the key, well, not key, but one of the elements of Zen Buddhism is the tea ceremony</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and if you really think about it, I mean, it's a very ritualized stylized. You pour this way. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's kind of a perfect ceremony </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:28]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> as describe it for some countries or some people who don't know what the tea ceremony actually is. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> There's a </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">whole process behind getting the charcoal out and putting it and lighting it and actually putting the water in the tea pot, putting the tea in the tea pot on </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and on it's like poetry, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Every word has an intent. Every, every motion, every motion means something </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:57]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> quote, unquote tea master, this would be somebody who practices for a long time. It is said that they leave no opening.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:03]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What does that mean? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It just, well, this is how somebody like a samurai would judge, like there is no place to quote unquote attack.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There is no flaw in their, you know, in their performance, isn't the right word, but their execution. You know, the tea ceremony, there </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:20]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> is no flaw in </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">their movements. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> There is no flaw in their movement. So not unlike again, we'd like to talk about, I like to talk about Zen archery is a similar thing where it's a very ritualized in the whole thing, but what's interesting is, the tea ceremony actually takes its roots from monks who were, who would drink tea before they would meditate and they would do this to help them stay awake.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">'cause I guess they drank the caffeinated tea, which is like, there's a lot of discrepancies going on because I wouldn't assume I could get into that alpha meditative state if my blood pressure has gone crazy because I've had a lot of caffeine, but welcome to it. But that is one that is like the root of the tea ceremony actually comes from monks who are just attempting to meditate for longer periods.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Which I thought was fascinating. But again, if you look at it, why is, why is this wabi-sabi, I'm talking about perfection and perfection and perfection. Yes. But transient, because at some point the tea gets cold. At some point, you pack it up and all of a sudden now this whole ritualized quote unquote performance is over.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So it can be as perfect as perfect can be, but it ends. And it's that understanding of that ending that maybe hopefully makes you appreciate it even more.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">slowing down and appreciating every movement, appreciating what it is; being completely immersed in what you're doing and nothing else, but putting all your intention in the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">beauty of the moment.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:02]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Exactly. And, you know, there's all kinds of different stories or thoughts that start to like tweak your head. And another one is you can never step into the exact same spot of a river. Because the river is constantly changing and then all of a sudden you're like, whoa, but wait, I can never, I can never come this way again because it will never be, you know, um, January 36</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">of this year and the weather will never be quite like this again, et cetera, et cetera. There is a transient nature to everything we do. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:36]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Don't you find that that's key to our relationships. That's key to raising children that it's key to being a partner in a marriage. That's key to being a family member is you can never hold someone to what you think they are.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They are never the same river. You should expect to be pleasantly or not, not pleasantly. You just should, you should just expect that you don't know this person because every day is opening another gift. Like it's not the same person. And if we see that, then we're not, um, it's not stale because you are able to witness</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">the evolution of everything around you. You're able to witness the evolution of every human being around you. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:27]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Exactly. I always say we have to afford the people in our lives, the opportunity to grow, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> to transform. And some, it seems like most of them don't, and they're very specific about how they're transforming and it may not be in sync with your transformation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:46]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes, but that is almost entire, that's usually the case, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:50]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but if you really, really love this person, and I want to say it's a number three and the number three in the Nicomachean is like, you love them no matter what that love will keep going, because within that love really the root of it is compassion.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And respect like there are people in our lives that I don't respect, and I don't want anything to do with them, but out of obligation, like I'm thinking about certain family members, um, I have to keep talking to them, but there's no connection for me. Like I don't have that respect. So my love isn't totally there for that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:34]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. And it's, it's when it, isn't, it's really hard to see how, or if they're growing. Cause it feels like they're not. And maybe that has a lot to do with one of the aspects of the wabi-sabi in my mind, a friendship is you're an open book. So as you're growing, you know, anytime I discover anything cool, I want to share it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Especially with my friends, especially with people who love me, especially with the people I love. And that's very, very difficult to do in cases where it feels like an obligation. So it indeed looks like neither side is growing because neither side is willing to expose themselves to the vulnerability of growth.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:13]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And, , in terms of what you just said I do the same thing. As soon as I find something or I remember something that's really cool and, and beneficial. I want to share it and I share. And I noticed with certain quote-unquote friends, all they do is take, take, take, take, take, they never share their stuff.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I'm like, wow, are they friends with me? Because they're getting stuff. And the answer is yes. And that's the predicament. Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:43]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And it also may be that they're afraid of looking foolish or cause every once in a while I'll share something with you and you're like, Oh, it makes me feel a little small </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">sometimes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:53]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm sorry. I shouldn't say that. All right. I should, I should say it back the way I used it. Well, be, you know why? Because sometimes you, the way you, your tone is with me, Matt, it's like, sometimes you're shocked that I know some information, like some college level. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:14]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh my God. You know, that chocolate comes from a bean?.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:18]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And you, you can sound in your tone. Very, what's the word I'm looking for? Condescending and I, and you know what, I think you only did this once or twice, but that's sting has stuck with me the whole time. So that's why I react the way I do. Like I already knew that</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">where really the way it should come out is I know, right? Yeah. Totally different tone. Right. As opposed to I know that. Right. So, but, but as far as sharing stuff, I think that people don't share because they feel like they're losing stuff. It's like money. It feels like they don't want to share the money.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> if you don't want to spend my currency. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:06]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. Because it's going to take away from them. So they don't share stuff that's happening in their families with me. They don't share. Information, they learn about what we're working on. Like, I have friends that, you know, it seems like we're working on the same kind of projects and I'll share whatever I learned</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">that's like gold. I'm like, oh my God guys look at what I just found. And they're like, oh great. But they never do that with me. They keep it to themselves. And that hurts my feelings. Like after a while, when it happens over and over again, I'm like, huh. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:43]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, that's why I'm generally pretty. Um, yeah.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Quid pro quo ish </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:50]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> bye Kush. Um, Matt just made, uh, sorry, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:53]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> close. Let's say closed up. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:55]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> He made an X with his arms to protect his chest. Like. Like </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:59]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> anyways, I'm pretty closed up and, you know, it's, it's, it's a very interesting thing, unless like this thing I know is like so cool and eminently obvious, I will typically, I'm very careful about how I Dole out the things I think are cool.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like I just, I just found this really cool new tool for development. So of course I had to share it with one of my programming friends. It's just kind of how it goes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And with me, I'm going to just keep doing what I'm doing, because I know that it's energetic. I'm going to keep sharing what I'm sharing, because obviously it came to me from some source.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So something out there shared it with me. So I'm going to accept that this particular friend quote, unquote friend right now, I'm saying it that way. Cause I'm mad, but you know that this person. Does that. And I just appreciate that, like, huh? Look at that. That's how they are. I appreciate that. You know what I mean?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And still love it. Right. But recognize, okay. That's not a family member. That's not in by family member. What I mean is that is not my inner circle, soul friend, my soul family. Right. You're not in my circle. Right. So I appreciate that. And I can see the beauty in that and let it go. It's hard though. I gotta tell you it's hard.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You have yourself believe otherwise. And then the world shows you this person is really not in your circle the way you think they are. Right. And that's okay. That's beautiful. It's just part of, and sometimes </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:43:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> the wabi-sabi</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">and flit out. So in a transitory manner. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:43:41]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. Yeah. And you just recognize that as beautiful it's transitory right there, floating in the wind.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:43:50]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Absolutely. Yeah. I had a two perfect quote unquote, perfect summers, before I turned 18 and they were perfect for different reasons and it was just, but it's a summer, it ends. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And so as something as something as always beginning, indeed, always. So when our friendship ends or situation ends look around and see the beauty in that perfection, because there is no void in nature. Things are always in motion. As long as there's breath, there is always motion. There's always the life. Even, even when we think the breath is no longer there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There is still a life that we may not see from our perspective, but everything is constantly transforming. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:42]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:43]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> A few episodes back. We decided not to use the word change rather transform.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">so going back to the four things:</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">accept things as they are, and as they come. accept the friend as they are, and as they come.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Appreciate your life, where it is now and work towards your goals, appreciate your friends, your friendship, where it is now and work towards your goals. All right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So in my case, I'll use myself as an example. This is not the friendship I thought it was. I appreciate it. I appreciate the friendship that it is, or was. And I'm going to have the goal of meeting family, the friends that are family. That's my goal, but I appreciate. What I have.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Strive for excellence, but don't get caught up in perfection.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Sounds good, right? No, one's going to be perfect. I'm looking for that soulmate friendship. A bunch of them, not only for myself, but for Matt and the kids, but I'm not going to get caught up in a list of points that I'm looking for. I don't know how else to describe this. Maybe you can a checklist. Oh, well, yeah.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Okay. And then the last one is</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Live your perfect life with all its precious imperfections. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Sounds good to me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">What do you. Yeah, I just said, it sounds good to me. No, I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to our, our, our family out there. What do you think, please let me know, please, please go to our friendly world podcast.com. Go to our friendly word podcast.com. Leave us a message. Talk to me, schedule me or, or Matt, of course.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Can we schedule a zoom together?. I want to talk to you. I want to see you guys. I don't want to go on Facebook. Everyone's telling me you should start a group, but I don't want to go on Facebook or whatever it's called. I don't want it. What other way can we get together? The only way I can think of is, can you please email us by going to our website, click on contact us.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that gets to my personal email. And we can schedule a group, but can we start a group? Let's start a group, please email us there are things for you there. If you would like to donate to our show, that would be amazing. But please, this is for real, I mean, we're doing this to create family.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Reach out to us. Okay. All right. I'm smiling. Love is winning. Yes. Love is winning. yeah, there's a lot going on out there in the world. It feels like everything is feeling way hyperintense and just when we think, wow, it can't get any worse. There's more intensity coming up.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The key is to. Form form family form friendships, and know that together we can create a beautiful utopia, a beautiful world, a beautiful family. That's what we're here for. We'll talk to you soon. Loving you. Thank you for listening.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Be well.</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The Japanese aesthetic principle embraces the imperfect and impermanent nature of all things; recognizing beauty in the flawed, the incomplete, and the broken.Beauty can be found beneath the imperfect surface. (I repeat) Beauty can be found beneath the imperfect surface. Wabi-Sabi W A B I - S A B I Wabi-Sabi is the Japanese aesthetic principle that embraces the imperfect and impermanent nature of all things. Recognizing beauty in the flawed, the incomplete, and the broken; the beauty of imperfection, the beauty of quote-unquote imperfection, the understanding and appreciation, and respectfor, or of the transience, the imperfection, as we see it and recognizing the beauty of it all. That's Wabi-Sabi.Wabi-sabi stems from the Buddhist understanding of three life principles. One is impermanence. Two is, suffering. Three is emptiness or absence,but the meaning over time has transformed into finding joy in solitude, appreciating nature, lauding, old-age wisdom, accepting that things come and go, and loving them honestly, and deeply while they last. Wabi-Sabi recognizes that nothing lasts forever. And so it is rare and beautiful. Some of the traits include modesty, subtle grace, acceptance,earthiness and peacefulness. We can find wabi-sabi and everything. We can find it in aesthetics like when things are not symmetrical when there's asymmetry happening, that's wabi-sabi. You can find wabi-sabi in poetry. Every word is chosen after careful consideration and carries multiple meanings and intentions. You can find wabi-sabi in pop culturewhen you are seeking the not so perfect. As we, take in wabi-sabi and friendship, let's first look at how to ground ourselves and appreciate our lives as they are; as is; the big dreams, the big plans for the future, and every worry. Appreciate where you are right now. How can we do that? How can you appreciate where you are. That's part of wabi-sabi. Stop worrying about being so perfect.It can block you. It can block you if you're trying to write a book. It blocks you in the art that you create. It blocks you from starting a brand new, beautiful journal when you are afraid to make one mark because you are seeking that perfection and you will end up not making any marks at all. And then if you do make all the perfect marks, does that really show your personality?Does that really show the feeling, the emotion of basically all the things that you need when you're creating art? Stop boring about being so perfect. It blocks you. Highlighting the importance of every moment, even the hardships. Accept things as they are, and as they come. Appreciate your life where it is now and work towards your goals from there. Strive for excellence, but don't get caught up in perfectionism.Live your own perfect life with all its precious imperfections. It sounds like I'm telling you what to do. Really. I'm telling myself what to do right now because we're in the midst of such a limbo that this is why we're talking about what we're talking about today because it's a lesson that I had to make myself sit down and bring to use. Appreciating what doesn't seem so great.
 
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>This episode is on the art of the empty cup in many ways. We begin with the breath. So many times we're told to BREATHE! This may be advice that may be causing you more distress. The true way is to NOT TAKE the breath, but ALLOW the breath. This "allowing" works not only with the art of breath, but the art of friendship, and the art of life and creating a happy and fulfilling life.</p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>Baby Step - Allowing for Emptiness to Fill the Cup</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Welcome back to our friendly world. Hi everyone. Welcome back. Bonjour! Hello. Good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening. Remember we used to go through the whole spiel when we first started recording. Anyway. Hi everyone. Welcome back. We have a baby-step for you today, a short, quick one. You ready? A baby step towards a better friendship, a better society.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Are you ready? Okay, it's funny. How, um, I'm just going to get into it. All right. Here it is. Are you ready? Ready? Ready? Here it is. Don't take the breath. Allow the breath. It's interesting. How things come? I was so turned off by the whole yoga world. I was teaching it. I was teaching yoga. I was so done with the environment and the white fragility, I saw that I just, I had to be away from that group, but yoga has been so coming back into my life and I know that I'm going to be teaching again on a massive scale. I've been getting these messages, this one, guess where the message came from. I'll just tell you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You'll never guess it. Well, first of all, I want to, okay. I'll tell you for us where it came from, it came from The Society of Children's Book Authors. They're called SC BWI society of children's book authors. There was an author that was speaking. Her name is Meg Fleming, so lovely.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So she was saying that someone was telling her this. It was beautifully woven into the lesson of the day, talking about writing children's books, but that was the message. Don't take the breath, allow the breath. I'm going to get into that in just a second, but I want to say it's really interesting how artists and artists and by artists, I mean, I include the whole family painters, writers,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">singers musicians, photographers, you know, the whole crew. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I thought you actually meant our family, which is apropos as well. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It's all family, but yeah. one of the classes I was taking with Vanessa, Vanessa Brentley-Newton, who is a beautiful friend of our show, a beautiful friend in our family, one of the classes I took with her one day.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">She was saying, you know, like when you draw, sometimes you can get really tense holding the pen or the pencil or the tool in your hand. Right. And sometimes it's even hard to draw a straight line because you're so intent on perfection or whatever you get so tight. And I remember her saying specifically, and she's she spoke as a true yoga teacher.</span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[This episode is on the art of the empty cup in many ways. We begin with the breath. So many times we're told to BREATHE! This may be advice that may be causing you more distress. The true way is to NOT TAKE the breath, but ALLOW the breath. This "allowing" works not only with the art of breath, but the art of friendship, and the art of life and creating a happy and fulfilling life.
 
Baby Step - Allowing for Emptiness to Fill the Cup
[00:00:00] Fawn: Welcome back to our friendly world. Hi everyone. Welcome back. Bonjour! Hello. Good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening. Remember we used to go through the whole spiel when we first started recording. Anyway. Hi everyone. Welcome back. We have a baby-step for you today, a short, quick one. You ready? A baby step towards a better friendship, a better society.
Are you ready? Okay, it's funny. How, um, I'm just going to get into it. All right. Here it is. Are you ready? Ready? Ready? Here it is. Don't take the breath. Allow the breath. It's interesting. How things come? I was so turned off by the whole yoga world. I was teaching it. I was teaching yoga. I was so done with the environment and the white fragility, I saw that I just, I had to be away from that group, but yoga has been so coming back into my life and I know that I'm going to be teaching again on a massive scale. I've been getting these messages, this one, guess where the message came from. I'll just tell you.
You'll never guess it. Well, first of all, I want to, okay. I'll tell you for us where it came from, it came from The Society of Children's Book Authors. They're called SC BWI society of children's book authors. There was an author that was speaking. Her name is Meg Fleming, so lovely.
So she was saying that someone was telling her this. It was beautifully woven into the lesson of the day, talking about writing children's books, but that was the message. Don't take the breath, allow the breath. I'm going to get into that in just a second, but I want to say it's really interesting how artists and artists and by artists, I mean, I include the whole family painters, writers,
singers musicians, photographers, you know, the whole crew. 
[00:02:10] Matt: Right. 
I thought you actually meant our family, which is apropos as well. 
[00:02:14] Fawn: It's all family, but yeah. one of the classes I was taking with Vanessa, Vanessa Brentley-Newton, who is a beautiful friend of our show, a beautiful friend in our family, one of the classes I took with her one day.
She was saying, you know, like when you draw, sometimes you can get really tense holding the pen or the pencil or the tool in your hand. Right. And sometimes it's even hard to draw a straight line because you're so intent on perfection or whatever you get so tight. And I remember her saying specifically, and she's she spoke as a true yoga teacher.
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                    <![CDATA[<p>This episode is on the art of the empty cup in many ways. We begin with the breath. So many times we're told to BREATHE! This may be advice that may be causing you more distress. The true way is to NOT TAKE the breath, but ALLOW the breath. This "allowing" works not only with the art of breath, but the art of friendship, and the art of life and creating a happy and fulfilling life.</p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>Baby Step - Allowing for Emptiness to Fill the Cup</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Welcome back to our friendly world. Hi everyone. Welcome back. Bonjour! Hello. Good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening. Remember we used to go through the whole spiel when we first started recording. Anyway. Hi everyone. Welcome back. We have a baby-step for you today, a short, quick one. You ready? A baby step towards a better friendship, a better society.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Are you ready? Okay, it's funny. How, um, I'm just going to get into it. All right. Here it is. Are you ready? Ready? Ready? Here it is. Don't take the breath. Allow the breath. It's interesting. How things come? I was so turned off by the whole yoga world. I was teaching it. I was teaching yoga. I was so done with the environment and the white fragility, I saw that I just, I had to be away from that group, but yoga has been so coming back into my life and I know that I'm going to be teaching again on a massive scale. I've been getting these messages, this one, guess where the message came from. I'll just tell you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You'll never guess it. Well, first of all, I want to, okay. I'll tell you for us where it came from, it came from The Society of Children's Book Authors. They're called SC BWI society of children's book authors. There was an author that was speaking. Her name is Meg Fleming, so lovely.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So she was saying that someone was telling her this. It was beautifully woven into the lesson of the day, talking about writing children's books, but that was the message. Don't take the breath, allow the breath. I'm going to get into that in just a second, but I want to say it's really interesting how artists and artists and by artists, I mean, I include the whole family painters, writers,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">singers musicians, photographers, you know, the whole crew. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I thought you actually meant our family, which is apropos as well. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It's all family, but yeah. one of the classes I was taking with Vanessa, Vanessa Brentley-Newton, who is a beautiful friend of our show, a beautiful friend in our family, one of the classes I took with her one day.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">She was saying, you know, like when you draw, sometimes you can get really tense holding the pen or the pencil or the tool in your hand. Right. And sometimes it's even hard to draw a straight line because you're so intent on perfection or whatever you get so tight. And I remember her saying specifically, and she's she spoke as a true yoga teacher.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">She said, remember to breathe when you're drawing. And I thought that was so perfect because in moments like that, in moments where you're trying to achieve perfection, whatever perfection is for you, which is great, which is a great thing to do. We tend to hold our breath. Like we just hold everything and you just gotta go with the flow.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You have to breathe in to it. And that's just such beautiful advice. Thank you, Vanessa. And thank you, Meg Fleming. Don't take the breath. Don't take it. Allow the breath. You know, whenever you get into stressful situations, you always hear people say breathe, but if you're already holding your breath, if you're holding so much in already, to take another breath, I mean, it's like, you're a balloon that's about to pop. Like I can't take another breath. So you have to be mindful of that, mind that and realize I have to let it out. So let it out. Be empty. Get that out of you and experience the emptiness, so the new can come in. It is really beautiful. And if you think about it, there's so many aspects to it, like to heal, you have to exhale first. "Take a deep breath," continues the fight or flight mechanism. But to exhale what is there and allow the clear breath to come in; that is key to a reset that really needs to happen. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So Baby step for today, make sure you exhale. If you think about it, it works in martial arts.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And no one actually taught me this, but I figured it out. But didn't you find? Well, there was no hitting at your school, Matt, but like when I would get a punch in the gut, I instinctively knew to exhale at that moment. When you're getting a gut punch and you exhale, it doesn't affect you. But if you're taking a breath while you're getting punched, you you're just you're on the ground.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Babe </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">breathing is so important, certainly in martial arts, in life, in everything. Obviously, if you don't breathe, you've got problems, but literally, there are styles of martial arts that have you do a ferocious exhale as you strike. If you were to do Japanese archery, which is called Kyudo, even your breath, every motion, every breath is factored in.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And it's like, I want to say you shoot the arrow, quote unquote in between breaths, but you don't hold your breath to make that happen. It happens naturally in between breaths. So, yeah, there you go. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:36]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And you may be thinking, what does this have to do with friendship? Right. Also works with people with friends, allow yourself to be empty, allow yourself to feel lonely, allow for that total nothingness of having no one in your circle.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Don't just have anyone, just anyone in your beautiful circle. Be choosy. It's okay to be empty. It's okay to be without. It's like when I was a kid, I had older friends and one of them said to me, life is like a garden. And your friendships are like a garden. You have to constantly weed it. (Matt remarks with a noise that conveys that he thinks that was a hectic thing to say)</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I have told you this before, and it sounds terrible. And that was my reaction. I was like, that's terrible. First of all, weeds are good. You know what I mean? They have medicinal value everything has value. So, the thought of just plucking your garden for you to have it look a certain way,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">to me was like completely disrespectful, but it is important for certain things to thrive, to separate one plant from another cause one plant can overtake another one and choke it to death. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Absolutely. I, sorry. I was just thinking about the scotch broom. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:58]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Uh, so in Washington state, There was a season where these beautiful yellow flowers would pop up everywhere.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They were beautiful, bright, yellow. And we thought they were like, wow, beautiful flowers. But once we went into the community, we realized that there was a whole fleet of people that were in charge of getting rid of this, this flower, which is, which was called Scotch broom. It came from Scotland. Right, honey, is that right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:27]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Legend. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Has it. Uh, Scotsman moved to the Pacific Northwest and missed the scotch broom that would bloom in Scotland. And so he imported some. And then they kind of started taking </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">over. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:40]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> They take over guys. And so,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:43]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> so you see </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">them by the side of the road because the seeds get kicked up by cars and moved down the road.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I always thought it was beautiful, much like mint, like people always say, oh my goodness, do not put mint on the ground. Well, I would put mint in the ground. For anyone out there, who's a total green thumb person, please, can you reach out to me because I want to learn. For years, most of my life of wanted to have a green thumb.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So I planted and it doesn't work by the way. Not yet. So I planted like lots of mint because I'm Persian and I want mint. Like, I can have a mint sandwich. I can't get enough mint. I can't </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> yeah.It's not about putting it in your mint Julep, It's about putting it on </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">all kinds of stuff.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Much like rosewater, watermelon. I can't get enough of this stuff.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And I wish I could grow my own. So I would try to spread mint and it wouldn't spread</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">(Laughter from Matt and Fawn) Remember that day. We tried to plant sunflowers because, because those people came in to get rid of the scotch broom. So they sprayed all these nasty chemicals on our property. Our property was on the edge of a stream. And I was so angry with these people. I was yelling. I'm like, how dare you come onto our property and spread poison.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like, this is not okay for the environment. It's not okay with me. I was so upset. So I thought of Chernobyl and I remembered how they would plant sunflowers. Right. So I'm like, honey, let's just go plant some sunflowers, like a lot of them. And we spent the whole afternoon planting meticulously the sunflower seeds, and we were so tired.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We were newly. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Homeowners?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:27]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> No, we were newly. What do you call it? Newly parents. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh my goodness. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yes, we had that parental </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">exhaustion.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right? So yeah, we were exhausted to begin with, but we took the whole day to plant these sunflower seeds and we were done. We padded the earth. We said, thank you. We were like, oh, yay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We're going to have a field. We're going to have our own Tuscany over here. Right. And then we went inside. And we had no curtains. We, we like to have a beautiful view. We were in the forest. So all of a sudden we noticed all this commotion outside and all these birds were flying around and I'm like, oh, that's so nice.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then months, and months, and months later, I'm like, what happened to the sunflowers? Where are they? Is it like, is it like the apple tree or the pear tree that takes maybe three years for it to bloom. I thought maybe it has like some sort of cycle I don't understand. When we put it together months later, we're like all those birds we saw, came to eat those seeds.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They were all watching us plant them, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> They all watched us plant plant. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So anyway, I have totally digressed once before we talking about planting, weeding your garden, you know, it's okay. It's okay to be empty. It's actually quite necessary. And </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:48]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> let's, let's be careful with that. "It's okay to be empty," makes it sound like it's okay to be, not necessarily understanding who you are, where you are and where you're at and where you're going, which is altogether different, because empty has a certain negative connotation to it;</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">at least to me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:10]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, I think that it's also good to realize you don't know where you are. You don't know who you are as long as you become aware of that and start asking yourself or start noticing that you are in that state is when you're actually coming out of it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Correct. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So I think it's a good thing, but I think it's really important to release everything out of you, so </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">that way you can get filled up and you don't take the breath, you allow for it to come in. Because when you take everything out, like when you completely exhale, your body naturally absorbs the breath. It's like a water getting filled up in a cup, right. It just, all of a sudden starts flowing in and it knows where to go.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The water always finds its way. And so same with life and same with friends. It's good to at times, have a clear slate and be quiet. It's good to, if you talk about other relationships, it's good to be single. It's good to be in your own company. It's good to be quiet and not speak for a while. All that stuff is really important because once you get there, you know, they, I never understood the term until recently, you know how they say nature abhors a vacuum.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I never understood that. I didn't, I seriously didn't understand what it was saying, but it's true. Like water goes where it knows where to go, right? So when you have empty space, it will be filled. And when you're conscious of that, it will be filled with what you want because as long as you focus on what you want or what is best for you; for your highest good, they say, it will flow in.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So that, that is the baby step for today. Stop taking the breath. Don't take. Allow, and be okay. Know that it's beyond OK to empty it out and allow for things to flow </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:09]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> sounds good to me</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:10]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and doing that. You know, when you take a breath, I just want to reiterate, reiterate that when you take breaths, there are certain I've been to breath workshops where you hyperventilate on purpose. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh, dear. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:24]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It's horrible. It's horrible on so many levels. Like I felt like I was going to pass out, so I was scared, but what happens to people,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">What happened to other people around me actually terrified me because I don't know if I ever told you guys this story, but I went to a breath workshop where they were doing this particular breath of like constant exhales, but really fast. So hyperventilation kind of. And so throughout this whole week, there was this one woman that was a total Yogi. And she seems so peaceful and so together.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I always tried to say hello to her and she would ignore me. Like I'm like, okay, all right. Maybe she just, maybe she thinks I'm some crazy person and she doesn't want my vibe around her because she's so peaceful. I don't know, but I thought maybe I'm not her cup of tea. I didn't realize that well, maybe she has her own problems or her own pain.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. But anyway, she always walked around with such, dignity. I don't know how to explain it. She had this vibe about her. Like she even dare I say, she seemed like she was better than, you know, she carried around that attitude. I am above you. I don't know. And she was also teaching yoga classes everyday to our group.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Sorry, my phone, um, she always was teaching. She was always teaching yoga classes. And so anyway, total Yogi. And so one day when we were doing this major breath workout, she, we were all laying down on the floor.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So you're doing a major breath workout and you were all laying down on the floor. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:05]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And so, you know, I'm freaking out because I'm like, I can't breathe now. Like all of this breath is taking my breath away. Like how much longer? It was painful. And then things got heightened. Next to me was this woman that I'm telling you about.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And she started howling with pain and screaming and crying. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:29]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Wow. That sucks. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> She took away my mellow, then I was starting to get, cause after all that breath work, I'm like this better be good for something, because this is not okay with me. So I'm like, I'm sure that there's a happy ending. Like I'm sure that there's going to be a moment of calm because why are they making us do this?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So I was like, okay, I think I can achieve some sort of peace because I'm getting out all the toxins out of my body or something. Right. But no, this lady started screaming bloody murder. Like she was being tortured and you know, you don't mean like it's like being a mom and hearing your baby cry. You can't take it. Like you want to help and you want to make sure your baby's okay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">When you hear someone. When I hear someone crying like that, that's why I can't watch most movies. That's why I can only watch a romantic comedy. I can't hear or see certain things. 'cause then I I'm not okay. I can't just see something and just leave it at that and be non emotional about it. Right. You know, I can't distance myself from it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So anyway, she. She was not okay. Like screaming, mad. It was, it was making me shake. Like I was no longer in this workshop. I was right now sitting up. Everyone else is fine. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:48]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You're in survival mode. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:50]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Everyone else was still lying down and doing their breath work. Now I'm sitting up staring at her like scared, like are what what's happening, you know, can we do I need to call 9 1, 1 what is happening?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And, um, People coming to help her, the people that worked in the workshop, like the teachers. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:09]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> That's good. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:10]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. But it went on forever. I can't, why am I telling you this story? I totally forgot .It had something to do with breathwork but now I don't remember. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You guys were hyperventilating and attempt to get to a different state.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like there was a woman who was, seemed so in control and. Then she freaked </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">out. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:33]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I seriously don't remember what I was trying to tell you, but I think what led me down this path was talking about, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:40]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> if you start doing breath work and start screaming, maybe you should stop doing it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:43]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> No, no. I think she needed to get it out because it was suppressed.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know what I mean? I was stuck in her body. She needs to get it out. I understand. Um, but so. I'm just trying to say it is what helps you get out of survival mode when you, oh, this is why, what I was trying to tell you. Okay. When you breathe fast like that, when you're constantly taking in breath, it actually puts you in a state of fight or flight.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:08]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I can see that,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You need to have a controlled exhale. It's really important. And I think we put too much emphasis on taking the breath take, take. Release. Give, let it go. That's the baby step today. And once again, going back to friendship, allow for that space. Space is good and space will not be empty forever.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Once again, it's the natural thing for things to fill up.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">A body of water that has gone dry, eventually it will rain and you'll have water again.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's the baby step for today?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:48]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Sounds </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">good. As well </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">As now, perhaps I take us in a completely different place, but in my mind, there is a proverb that involves a student going to a master and saying, "yes, I've learned, I've read all of Confucius, I..." that listing all of his accomplishments and the masters, like, would you like some tea?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And the student says, yes. So the master pours the tea and he doesn't stop pouring it. And he doesn't stop pouring it. And it overflows the cup. And the student is like, what are you doing? You're spilling the tea. The cup is too full. And the master says it is your mind that is too full. Empty your cup.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:30]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Nice honey, see, I love it. When you do stuff like that. Good job. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:36]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm going to get a pat on the head. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:40]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Thank you. Well, that's all. Okay. He wants me to pat him on the head baby. All right, everyone love you so much. Make sure you go to our website. We have a gift for you there. It is a free workbook. I'm writing a book on the Ikigai of friendship.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm writing several books. And they'll be coming out soon, but the workbook is out and it's free. So make sure you go to our friendly world podcast.com and sign up for our email list. And I don't email you often actually. But you will get the book when you click, when you sign up, when you sign up, it's called the "Ikigai of Friendship - The Formula" on how to have true joy, true friendship and value in your life. I want to also shout out to everyone who is listening. Thank you so much. Thank you for this beautiful community. Thank you for helping us grow our friendship circle. We love you so much. We'll talk to you soon. And in between talking, reach out to me, if you need.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If you need Matt, we're here. Just email us. Thank you. Love you. Be well, bye.</span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[This episode is on the art of the empty cup in many ways. We begin with the breath. So many times we're told to BREATHE! This may be advice that may be causing you more distress. The true way is to NOT TAKE the breath, but ALLOW the breath. This "allowing" works not only with the art of breath, but the art of friendship, and the art of life and creating a happy and fulfilling life.
 
Baby Step - Allowing for Emptiness to Fill the Cup
[00:00:00] Fawn: Welcome back to our friendly world. Hi everyone. Welcome back. Bonjour! Hello. Good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening. Remember we used to go through the whole spiel when we first started recording. Anyway. Hi everyone. Welcome back. We have a baby-step for you today, a short, quick one. You ready? A baby step towards a better friendship, a better society.
Are you ready? Okay, it's funny. How, um, I'm just going to get into it. All right. Here it is. Are you ready? Ready? Ready? Here it is. Don't take the breath. Allow the breath. It's interesting. How things come? I was so turned off by the whole yoga world. I was teaching it. I was teaching yoga. I was so done with the environment and the white fragility, I saw that I just, I had to be away from that group, but yoga has been so coming back into my life and I know that I'm going to be teaching again on a massive scale. I've been getting these messages, this one, guess where the message came from. I'll just tell you.
You'll never guess it. Well, first of all, I want to, okay. I'll tell you for us where it came from, it came from The Society of Children's Book Authors. They're called SC BWI society of children's book authors. There was an author that was speaking. Her name is Meg Fleming, so lovely.
So she was saying that someone was telling her this. It was beautifully woven into the lesson of the day, talking about writing children's books, but that was the message. Don't take the breath, allow the breath. I'm going to get into that in just a second, but I want to say it's really interesting how artists and artists and by artists, I mean, I include the whole family painters, writers,
singers musicians, photographers, you know, the whole crew. 
[00:02:10] Matt: Right. 
I thought you actually meant our family, which is apropos as well. 
[00:02:14] Fawn: It's all family, but yeah. one of the classes I was taking with Vanessa, Vanessa Brentley-Newton, who is a beautiful friend of our show, a beautiful friend in our family, one of the classes I took with her one day.
She was saying, you know, like when you draw, sometimes you can get really tense holding the pen or the pencil or the tool in your hand. Right. And sometimes it's even hard to draw a straight line because you're so intent on perfection or whatever you get so tight. And I remember her saying specifically, and she's she spoke as a true yoga teacher.
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We're all encoded with spectacular gifts, your fabulousness, your greatness translates wherever you go.</span></span></p>
<p>The BEAUTIFUL Vanessa Brantley-Newton is back, this time with her BRILLIANT husband Ray! They join us from their vacation in Paris, France, and share their adventures, experiences, wisdom, and advice for life, travel, food, love, art, and how to respectfully and lovingly travel the earth.</p>
<p>We love connecting with Vanessa and Ray. Join us as we discuss ways our fabulousness translates wherever we go. The world is a small town and it is so good to connect!</p>
<p>How is it that even though we may not speak the same language, we can completely understand each other?</p>
<p>Is it possible that we all have encoded something in our hearts that can translate for us and enable us to communicate, transcending words? Are there codes that we can access through sacred geometry in our bodies that when we assume a specific posture, can change the way we communicate and the way others are able to understand our inner nature?</p>
<p><strong> Vanessa Brantley-Newton on Instagram:</strong></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>https://www.instagram.com/vanessabrantleynewton/?hl=en</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong><a href="https://www.vanessabrantleynewton.com/">https://www.vanessabrantleynewton.com/</a></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"> <span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>Vanessa's Ted Talk:</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuMBHSZf32c">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuMBHSZf32c</a></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong><br />Magasin Sennelier, the art store,<br /><br />the Louvre;<br /><br />store in New York called Pearl Paint, the original store on Canal Street,<br /><br /></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">Maison Bossier <a href="https://www.magasinsennelier.art/en/">https://www.magasinsennelier.art/en/</a><br /><br /> the Les Frenchies https://lesfrenchiestravel.com/<br /><br />the power pose</span></span></strong></span></span></p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>TRANSCRIPT – The French Connection With Vanessa and Ray</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hello, welcome to our friendly world, everyone. Okay, look, look, look, look, look okay if you can't, if you can't see me. Listen, listen, listen, listen to this. And if you can't, if you can't understand the words that I'm saying, like you speak another language.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">If you can't speak the same language, I want you to feel me out. Just feel me out. I have a message for you. Most of you listening know where the message came from. Where was I when I got the message? Nevermind. Don't say it, but you all know the one room where I receive messages, my guidance of what I'm supposed to do comes and it came today.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I'm so happy to share today with you because we have two beautiful guests. I'm so excited. I've been giggly since we found out yesterday. So the message is, this is what I heard today, that, and this...</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[We're all encoded with spectacular gifts, your fabulousness, your greatness translates wherever you go.
The BEAUTIFUL Vanessa Brantley-Newton is back, this time with her BRILLIANT husband Ray! They join us from their vacation in Paris, France, and share their adventures, experiences, wisdom, and advice for life, travel, food, love, art, and how to respectfully and lovingly travel the earth.
We love connecting with Vanessa and Ray. Join us as we discuss ways our fabulousness translates wherever we go. The world is a small town and it is so good to connect!
How is it that even though we may not speak the same language, we can completely understand each other?
Is it possible that we all have encoded something in our hearts that can translate for us and enable us to communicate, transcending words? Are there codes that we can access through sacred geometry in our bodies that when we assume a specific posture, can change the way we communicate and the way others are able to understand our inner nature?
 Vanessa Brantley-Newton on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/vanessabrantleynewton/?hl=en
https://www.vanessabrantleynewton.com/
 Vanessa's Ted Talk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuMBHSZf32c
Magasin Sennelier, the art store,the Louvre;store in New York called Pearl Paint, the original store on Canal Street,
Maison Bossier https://www.magasinsennelier.art/en/ the Les Frenchies https://lesfrenchiestravel.com/the power pose
 
TRANSCRIPT – The French Connection With Vanessa and Ray
[00:00:00] Fawn: Hello, welcome to our friendly world, everyone. Okay, look, look, look, look, look okay if you can't, if you can't see me. Listen, listen, listen, listen to this. And if you can't, if you can't understand the words that I'm saying, like you speak another language.
 If you can't speak the same language, I want you to feel me out. Just feel me out. I have a message for you. Most of you listening know where the message came from. Where was I when I got the message? Nevermind. Don't say it, but you all know the one room where I receive messages, my guidance of what I'm supposed to do comes and it came today.
And I'm so happy to share today with you because we have two beautiful guests. I'm so excited. I've been giggly since we found out yesterday. So the message is, this is what I heard today, that, and this...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We're all encoded with spectacular gifts, your fabulousness, your greatness translates wherever you go.</span></span></p>
<p>The BEAUTIFUL Vanessa Brantley-Newton is back, this time with her BRILLIANT husband Ray! They join us from their vacation in Paris, France, and share their adventures, experiences, wisdom, and advice for life, travel, food, love, art, and how to respectfully and lovingly travel the earth.</p>
<p>We love connecting with Vanessa and Ray. Join us as we discuss ways our fabulousness translates wherever we go. The world is a small town and it is so good to connect!</p>
<p>How is it that even though we may not speak the same language, we can completely understand each other?</p>
<p>Is it possible that we all have encoded something in our hearts that can translate for us and enable us to communicate, transcending words? Are there codes that we can access through sacred geometry in our bodies that when we assume a specific posture, can change the way we communicate and the way others are able to understand our inner nature?</p>
<p><strong> Vanessa Brantley-Newton on Instagram:</strong></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>https://www.instagram.com/vanessabrantleynewton/?hl=en</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong><a href="https://www.vanessabrantleynewton.com/">https://www.vanessabrantleynewton.com/</a></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"> <span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong>Vanessa's Ted Talk:</strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuMBHSZf32c">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuMBHSZf32c</a></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong><br />Magasin Sennelier, the art store,<br /><br />the Louvre;<br /><br />store in New York called Pearl Paint, the original store on Canal Street,<br /><br /></strong></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;"><strong><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:large;">Maison Bossier <a href="https://www.magasinsennelier.art/en/">https://www.magasinsennelier.art/en/</a><br /><br /> the Les Frenchies https://lesfrenchiestravel.com/<br /><br />the power pose</span></span></strong></span></span></p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>TRANSCRIPT – The French Connection With Vanessa and Ray</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hello, welcome to our friendly world, everyone. Okay, look, look, look, look, look okay if you can't, if you can't see me. Listen, listen, listen, listen to this. And if you can't, if you can't understand the words that I'm saying, like you speak another language.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">If you can't speak the same language, I want you to feel me out. Just feel me out. I have a message for you. Most of you listening know where the message came from. Where was I when I got the message? Nevermind. Don't say it, but you all know the one room where I receive messages, my guidance of what I'm supposed to do comes and it came today.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I'm so happy to share today with you because we have two beautiful guests. I'm so excited. I've been giggly since we found out yesterday. So the message is, this is what I heard today, that, and this goes for you, Matt, because it came with like computer jargon that we're all encoded with spectacular gifts, your fabulousness, your greatness translates wherever you go.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And as I heard this, I remembered certain examples. So I was a teenager. I worked at this camera store in LA. It was right next door to UCLA. And most of our clientele were, either doctors or professors at UCLA that would come in and I worked the film counter, the processing counter, the film processing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">, one of our customers was a professor and she spoke like six or seven different languages. And so one day I was looking at her and I was saying, you know, sometimes I can read people's minds. Like it comes and goes, but I can completely feel, hear and see things in people. And she's like, that's really interesting.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Are you, do you speak any other languages? So I told her the languages I speak. She told me hers. I did not speak any languages that she spoke. Oh, I'm so excited. And I'm out of breath. Okay. So here's what happened. So she's like, all right, let's do an experiment for a quick second. I will tell you something different things in different languages and let's see what happens.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So I braced myself, we connected, I looked into her eyes. She was looking into my eyes. I felt open. Like there was, uh, an open highway between us and she started talking and then she stopped. And then I repeated what she said in English. I did not speak the language she spoke, but I understood what she said and I can't do it all the time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And we started screaming like, oh, it was so great. And so that example of that has actually happened to me on the road. So as I'm photographing different projects around the planet, I have definitely been in areas where the people of that area do not have any care for, or like any, um, consciousness about the government, about, about the lines that are designated to say, this is Ethiopia, this is Kenya.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Do you know what I mean? They have no, no. Uh, what's the word for it, Matt? They don't care. It's not that they don't care about. It's not in their consciousness to say, oh, I live in Ethiopia. Each tribe had their own language. You know, like we were far out, there were, they were an entity, uh, a family of their own, not controlled by any government.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And so, as I was photographing the people, and a lot of people asked me, like, how do you end up photographing the people that you photograph though? This is what happens. There's this connection that you feel wherever you go. And I would be sitting with these people and women in particular, and they were just talking amongst themselves.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I had the great the great blessing of being able to be with them. But once in a while, it's like something clicked and I understood every word they were saying; everything. And they understood me. I was speaking English and they understood me. They were speaking and I completely knew what they were talking about and we communicated that way.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And those are the people I photographed. So, um, but that, again goes to the message I got today this morning, which is everyone is encoded with a special gift. And one of those is the ability to communicate that your fabulousness translates wherever you go, which leads us to today because everybody, we have the beautiful Vanessa Brantley-Newton and her wonderful, amazing handsome husband, Ray, everyone.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yay. Welcome. And Matt is here too. Matt </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:07]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:10]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> here.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Thank you so much for joining us and guys guess where Vanessa and Ray are right now. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:19]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> Is it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:19]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> California or Texas. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:21]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Where </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">are you? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:23]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> aaaaaah...Bonjour! We are in Paris, France. We are here finally. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Actually, we knew where you were. We're so excited. We've been planning this for a few months. Now you told us about this and we're so we're so happy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm like Vanessa, we have to record when you're in Paris and we want Ray with us. Ray. Welcome. Welcome, welcome, welcome. (Ray says "Bonjour!")</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And it's perfect because our biggest audience outside of the United States is France. We love France so much. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So grateful. And so the focus today being connection, we are talking about, oh, you know, what should you pack? And what's it going to be like, and you spoke with my friend Martine and we were talking about what is it like there?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I haven't been back to France. It's been a while since I've been there. So I really don't know what it's like. I cannot wait to hear all the details about your trip. And also I knew, first of all, you're such a wonderful caring couple. You're so brilliant. You're so loving. You have so much, so many gifts that you offer everyone wherever you go.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I knew the French would love you. I knew the whole country would embrace you. You know, I'm like, didn't I say, didn't I say that Vanessa I'm like, Vanessa, please go full force. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:59]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> You really did. You, you really did it. And I have to say we've been here, uh, Crazy stuff happened in America, of course, trying to get here, delayed, delayed, delayed, delayed again, and delayed again.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And we finally get to France and I have to say sometimes delays are a good thing because what it actually did was we were supposed to fly from Charlotte, into Philadelphia and then from Philadelphia into London and then from London to France. And what happened was because of the delay, the flight attendant said, I'm going to put you on a flight now straight to London, and then a two hour flight from London to Paris.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And we got here quicker than we thought, you know? So that was, that was awesome. We'll never do third party, travel again. That third party thing </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> texted me about that. I don't know what that is. What is third party? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> Third third party, when you are doing, you know, there used to be a time where you could go into a travel agency and sit with them and plan the whole trip.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Now everything is done online, you know, especially because of COVID, you know, you really don't get to go into offices anymore and to travel. So there was two travel agents that I had been dealing with for a long time and nobody could get me the price that was really good for us, on the date, that was really good for us.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so I did it myself, but I did it through a third party, which was Cheapo Air. Avoid Cheapo Air. Avoid them! They are the plague of, um, we, we, we talk about Spirit Airline and that Spirit Airline will steal your spirit. Okay. Cheapo Airline is worse than Spirit. The name speaks for itself, I would say, , for this trip and for future trips for Ray and I, we will definitely be doing the other end, just letting you know, just pay the price, fly well, and fly straight to where you're going and fly straight home.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:16]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> If </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">you're, let's say you're flying with one bag and your country hopping it's okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> Yeah, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:25]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> because they give you, a budget economy on everything. So it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:31]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> has its pluses and minuses</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">it has its pluses and minuses, but, um, yeah, no, not for us, but I will say, getting to the Novotel Hotel and meeting the staff, even with the little bit of French that we are speaking, they have been so kind and just, I find this is very, very true, especially for Americans who are listening</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">who are going to other countries. It's so important that you learn the basics before you go; hello, goodbye, thank you, please. Can you help me? That kind of thing. The French even laugh at us. I mean, they were laughing at us like, you know, but it's, we'll help you. We, you know, we, we tried a little bit goes a long way.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">When you walk into the stores, you need to say "Bonjour", when you walk in, when you leave, you need to say, Au revoir. Or, you know, at least let them know that you're leaving; something, you need to say, thank you, merci beaucoup, you know, when they give you a fork or knife or an, or a menu, say those niceties and watch the whole atmosphere change </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:44]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and acknowledge, acknowledge the people, human beings that are bringing you</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">the most delicious nourishing feast, right? Matt, Matt. Um, I met Matt and Aikido, Ray. We met in a martial arts school. And so Matt was the teacher's pet at this martial arts school. And I came in like the Tasmanian devil. I talk about this all the time because I came in with mixed martial arts background.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like I, I came in ready to break knees and elbows like, and I'm very short on a very, very good day. Maybe I'm reaching five feet tall. Matt is six, four, but I am like the Tasmanian devil coming into this very spiritual, school. And so they had to teach me things, but one of them was to calm down because I want it, I want it to hit people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I want to do. I wanted to throw everything and there, they actually told me now, now we don't hit here. Like I was in kindergarten. I'm like, what do you mean we don't hit here? What are you doing? What are we here for? So they taught me this concept. Actually, Matt taught me this concept of the world is your home.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And you are the host. Walking down the street, walking anywhere you go, it is your home. And it's your job to welcome people and make people feel comfortable. So your host, your, how do you say it, Matt? You said it so brilliantly years ago. And you keep </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:16]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> saying terrible today </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> though. Matt is terrible when I put them on the spot, but basically whoever you meet, you're welcoming them into your home because the world is your home.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so to have eye contact and to say, thank you. And, oh my goodness. I remember, you know, when I travel, you can always spot Americans because for example, you're in, at a bakery, they will point at something and almost exactly almost touch it and say, gimme, gimme that one. Give me, oh, no, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:50]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> no. He used to, to, but my Lord, I do at some sometimes </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:55]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> because I was around and I would have a fit.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:58]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I got a hand raised from Ray. Yes. Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I think</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:05]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> give me that one. No no, not that one. That one, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">that one </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:12]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I come in, I'm like, Ooh, it's so </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:15]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> beautiful. May have that one????.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:21]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> It's like going into a donut shop. I have three of those, five of these six, if you're just pointing, I don't want to name them. It takes too long, just point grunt. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:34]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> And I find some men, men thing, but I find too, like, like you said, fun, it is very American. It is, it is so American. I mean, um, at times I'm embarrassed even while here, cause we've seen some Americans it's rather embarrassing and it is, you know, now I know, oh, I get why the French don't particularly care for Americans.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Now I have to tell you and Matt, being here in France, Ray and I have really counted the black or colored people that we've seen here on visitation. I mean, you know, walking down the street or going into a restaurant or a store or whatever. Yeah. You see people of color, you know, walking around and everything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Just say vacation. There's, you know, there's a bunch of black people. My niece who, lives in Charlotte and, goes to Dubai, just came back from France, what about three weeks ago was here three days. They were only here three days, you know, but she travels and she learns so much from the travel about, you know, customs. This is why it's so important to learn people's language, learn their customs, you know, that in France,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">okay, any time after three, most restaurants are closed. They'll open up again at seven o'clock find other things to do, you know? Um, it is, uh, it is brilliant. I think that's why they don't walk around as stressed. Oh, walk around as, um, uh, occupied with so many different things. Even the way they dress; Ray and I had a chance to sit at a little restaurant called Dino today, and we sat and we, people watched while we ate, and seeing older French women walk up and down the street in their high heel shoes and their suits, their Chanel bags and, just very classy, very, um, very sophisticated, very French. It was, it was amazing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It was amazing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:44]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> There's a sense of integrity and a sense of self-worth that everyone carries with them. And I think that's true. That's the true style right there, because you can wear anything. You can wear a potato sack. Do you remember? I remember watching our Lucille Ball episode where they went, I think it was Paris.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They were in Paris and she wanted all these designer things. And then Ricky, Ricky said, oh, look, here's a designer. Cause he was too cheap to buy her the designer stuff. And he literally gave her a potato sacks with like hats. Do you remember that? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:20]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> Did you ever see that? But one of the best episodes ever, that was really good.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And so, and when she found out she was mad and then later they found all these models on a photo-shoot wearing the same potato sacks. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:34]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> I mean, it looks amazing. Yes. Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:38]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So it's all about, it's all about the vibe. It's all about self-worth and you know, the value that you hold about yourself and others. That is key, not only for yourself, but for others </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:51]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and to communicate taking us back to our central point.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Obviously, if you feel comfortable, if you feel accepting adventurous, like, Ooh, I want to see, you know, I want you to describe, then you're going to have better communications with people. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:06]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. There was this one day. I have so many French stories because I love the French so much. Uh, but one story was, I was trying to, I was actually on my way back, I was, I was a student in England and every chance I had gone, I was in France.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Every chance I got and you know, it's so close, so you can just in two hours be there. I was late for finals. I was in France and I had to quickly get back to England to take my exams. And I was freaking out because I was lost in Paris. I was by myself and I was really lost, you guys, like I had no idea where transportation was like, I don't know how I got myself to where I was and I was starting to panic, like panic. And this, this man comes closer to me and I'm shaking my hands. And like, I'm like freaking out. I go up to him and I lost all my senses because in English I'm like, excuse me, excuse me, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">sir.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And he started laughing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">He was just laughing. And, and then in French, he's like, you, you speak French, don't you? And then, so I responded, yes, yes. I totally speak French. He's like, well, ask me in French. I'm like, oh my God, I'm freaking out. He's like, that's okay. That's okay. In English. He's like, tell me in French.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So, but you know what? No, it was not an ouch moment. It was loving because even though he was saying those words and it seems uncomfortable and mean, it wasn't at all because he had the most beautiful spirit about him. And he was, he was looking at me in the eyes as a human being and he was smiling and he just saw, he just saw the comedy in it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">He was like, and he made me slow down and he made me take a breath. And then I started speaking in French and he's like, there you go. And then he's like, okay, go this way. It's right there. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:11]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> No, that happened. That happened to me today. Sorry to cut you off. While we're in the candy store, the woman in the store was talking Spanish to me and I comprehended it, but I couldn't respond.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I froze and I felt bad. I should be speaking fluent Spanish, but the days when it'll flow and there are days when it ain't coming out. And today was the day where it didn't come out. She's trying to talk to me. And all I could think of was my mother, my mother, my mother, because all I remember was every time I heard Spanish from an older woman, it was my mother disciplining me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And for that moment, nothing came out of my mouth. And when we left the store, I felt ashamed that I should be speaking this and I just panicked </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">it wasn't there. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:02]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> It was a beautiful moment though. We went to a little candy shop called Maison Bossier it is some of my favorite chocolate. We went in and I mean, when I tell you the store is so tiny, this store was probably started somewhere and the very, very early 18 hundreds.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And it's still in the same area, same store, everything. I mean, they even still have the old receipts and the shelves, nothing is like new, except for the candy and the iPad that they do the transaction on, but the store is gorgeous and the woman was so, so very, very kind. I came in and, , I, said bonjour , parlez-vous Englais?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And she said, you know, a little, you know, she speaks a little bit. And uh, she goes, I speak Spanish. And then she looked at; when Ray said. He, uh, that he could comprehend. She began to speak to him and she began to ask him, but it was such a beautiful moment. There was another woman that came in and she was a woman of color.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">She came in and, um, I think they were shocked at how much chocolate we bought.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I think we almost emptied the store. It was ridiculous. How much time I... seriously y'all we spent about $400 in chocolate. That's how that's how much chocolate that's how much I love it because you can't get it here in America. This is my first trip to France and won't be my last one, but it will be my, my only one for a while.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And, um, just the woman sitting there; and this is so much about what you were talking about earlier about communication. she spoke to the black woman that was sitting there in French and the black woman turned to us and she said to us, she said, your spirit is so beautiful. And I wanted to cry.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">She said, I, she said, your spirit is so beautiful. And she says, thank you for coming in. And I was like, you know, I knew "merci beaucoup," but you know, she, she was telling us I really like her and that meant everything to me. That meant everything to me. So you know what it is too, is your energy; how you walk in a room, people perceive you before you even open your mouth and say anything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I walked into Shakespeare company, we go there and of course it's a tourist trap, everybody and their mother is walking around. And, I get the book that I wanted for my daughter and I'm walking up to the counter and I go "merci beaucoup". And the woman says in English, I love your energy. Your energy is everything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It really is so important that we have a right attitude ourselves and when we walk into a room. It's not the other person's responsibility to respond to you. It's about you walking in the room and commanding their attention, whether they want it or not, and whether they want to walk past you and act like you don't exist or whatever.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I'm not saying everybody's here in France has been nice. So we have a breakfast the other morning, and it was a young lady who was not, she was not happy to see me. I don't know what it was, but I, you know, I, I, I'm a woman of faith. I sat there and I prayed for her. I said, maybe she's having a rough day.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I don't know she's having a rough day, but the waiter, oh my goodness; kissed me and everything. You know, it's, it's, it's not everybody, but you know one person, all the other five people that I met today, just beautiful. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. And it totally makes sense because the world is your home. You are the host, you, you, it is your job to welcome people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And you just do that naturally. Vanessa, you didn't have to go to our martial arts school to be told that, you know, uh, once in Paris and I was with my friend, Abe, Abe Moss, wherever you are, I miss you so much. I wish you could reach out to us. Abe Moss had a very famous dad and everything, like he led a pretty cushy life, I think, but we were, we were, and he hated Paris, by the way, he hated Paris.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm like, oh, I love it here so much. Come on, come on. Let's go walking together. He's like, I hate it. Just walk with me to the train station. Cause I want to get out of here. I'm like, all right, I'll go with you to the train station. So, you know, the world works in very funny ways. So we're at the train station.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And remember I told you about pickpockets, Vanessa, like yeah. Uh, the it's it's um, he was so very graciously pick-pocketed because he didn't realize it had happened until he was about to get on a train. And he realized his wallet was gone. His passport was, everything was gone off of his body. Like he didn't feel anything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">He was so distraught. He's like, I gotta call my dad. I'm like, don't call your dad. We're okay. We're okay. But call him later. Let's try to figure things out and do what we can here and then call your dad and let him pull the strings. Right. Let's just, just, just humor me for a second. He's like, okay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">He was so upset. Well, of course, but I'm saying like, but here's what happened. We went, I'm like, let's go to the police station and just fill out a report and see where we can w how we can, um, get ahold of the embassy and get, get something started with your passport. So we go to the, uh, the police state.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And you guys, long story short Abe is sitting there with his head, his face and his hand, and he's mumbling. And then he finally kind of, he doesn't yell at me, but he's like "Fawn, I am so glad you are having a good time" because, well, I was translating for him because I was trying to fill out the police report in French.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. So I was translating the thing is that the police officer first, her </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">police, the police </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">officer was really, really </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">cute. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:24]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh dear. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:27]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And then the police officer asked me out on a date,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:33]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> well, you don't want to be with him. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I was so happy. Like he was the sweetest person. And anyway, it's a long story, but we ended up going the Louvre after that. And we ended up having a good day, Abe and I. But the thing is that meeting this police officer, because I have a fear of police. Like I have like my whole body chemistry changes with police, but this police officer taught me so much about the culture and, about France. He was the kindest person and he ended up shortly after that, not being a police officer anymore, he said to me, Fawn, I'm going to get fired because I don't give anyone tickets.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">He was the sweetest person. So after that, he became a school bus driver for kindergartners in his, in his hometown, in France he's but like just, you know, it's about your spirit. Like my spirit was like very open and loving about the whole culture, the whole France, you know, and of course I met the most loving police officer to help.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know, an officer who loved all humanity and stuck up for everyone and would never give anyone a ticket. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:49]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's amazing. That is amazing. We have the same fear, but you know, it, uh, even, even while being here, uh, there's a couple that we watch, Ray and I. They're called the Les Frenchies I don't know if you ever heard of them or not. They are a online, a YouTube, a couple that travel France. They go back and forth to America, but for the most part, they stay here in France and they give you all kinds of tips for when you travel to France, what restaurants to go to, do you go to aboulangerie?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Do you go to a patisserie? Do you go to a tourist trap restaurant or do you go to a restaurant that is a more of a street restaurant where the locals will go. What Ray and I found out was that, yeah, you want to go to those boulangeries and quick street food that they talked about because they're intermingling with the community and the food is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:54]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> delicious.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know, as a traveler, you're eating a delicious meal for not a expensive price, and we've started doing it, going to the street, restaurants and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:07]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> soups </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:08]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> and Vanessa spirit brightens up the place. And we usually get discounts or free things. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:14]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> The day we walked into Sephora. And I really went in there to just get some stuff that was confiscated when we came into the country. Really wasn't going in there to shop and was not going to buy myself a mother's day gift or anything like that. And ended up with a bag of stuff because of the sales woman, , shout out to July, that was her name July. July was just delighted and excited that somebody from America was there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I think she was delighted because the attitude was one of: it's so nice to meet you. It's so nice to be here with you. And, , she kept saying the same thing, your spirit, your spirit. And so spirit is very, very important. If you're watching negative things. If you're having negative conversations, if you lack confidence, if you lack self-esteem that comes across when you meet people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I, you know, there was a time when I wasn't able to look people in the eye. Now I look you in the eye. I speak to you. There was a time where I would say hello, and now I'm like, HELLO! BOUNJOUR! , you know, it's more lively. And it's because I have confidence in Vanessa. And that confidence is not a cockiness.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">There's two different things. Conseit and confidence is two different things. Confident that if you get to know me, you'll like me. And I, you, the same thing, even in not understanding your language, the kindness that comes across even, from, got in the car, Ray and I got in the car with a taxi driver named Vincent. Vincent drove us from the airport.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">He was so sweet. And so kind, and before I got out of the car, I put my hand on his shoulder and I said, "Bonsoir" you know, and, "Merci beaucoup". And he was like, oh, you speak French very well</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and everything. And I introduced myself, to him, and he was just so kind, but the gesture of putting my hand on his shoulder connected us in a way where he was like, you are not like the Americans that come and just we're here to serve you. That's it, we're just servants.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:31]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> And knowing Vanessa I've seen her transform.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">When I first met her, Vanessa was very shy. Her hair used to cover half her face. It's like she was hiding. But I noticed when we used to work in the hospital together, she had a very bright smile, no matter how much she tried to cover her face, her smile would, it was bright. And I used to always tell her, you need to move your hair back and show your smile and well, it worked.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Um, she she's my wife now, but that's what I saw in her. I saw that energy. It was there. It it's like confidence. And we're going through that now with our daughter </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:14]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> confidence.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:16]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah, I have to say confidence, first of all is catching. If someone around you is confident, you're much more likely to be confident. As well, as they've noticed certain things, like, I work fully remote and I like working with teams where I can see the people I work with.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If you don't, if you can't see the people you work with, I mean, they're basically closing themselves off. They're telling you, they don't want to talk to you. They feel less confident. Your team on the whole feels like it's kind of spiraling down. It's a very uncomfortable feeling. And it's interesting.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Something that they discovered was, cause sociologists or psychologists love doing experiments, especially with zoom now. But they noticed like at the end of a meeting that, they had somebody just start waving like crazy and it took about two or three weeks and then everybody would wave goodbye and everybody felt better about everything at that point.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I mean, it's just, you know, if you go looking for happiness, you're going to find it. If you go look into misery, you're going to find it. Go looking for happiness. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:13]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And also , it's a physical thing too. Like, they teach you that, like, let's say before you go into a huge meeting or a presentation or whatever situation where you are on, there's a, what, what is the superhero it's called the power pose.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So like for five minutes by yourself, in a room, you just stand with your feet, hip distance apart, and your hands on your hips, Vanessa is doing it right now. I wish we had video. And your, your chin up </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:48]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Vanessa practically looks divine. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:50]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> She is, SHE IS DIVINE. . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:52]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Like, you know, Jesus divine, my goodness. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:55]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> She is, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">she is GODDESS</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">there's a </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:57]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> light on you when you did that. My goodness. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:00]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> Okay. If I tell you Matt and Fawn, I learned that, it was just before I did my Ted Talk about five years ago. I wasn't lacking confidence, but I was a little intimidated by this audience. We were in Sonoma, California, and it was during the fires when everything had everybody rich, poor had lost everything and the community had come together and we really, it was like 18 speakers.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I was, I'm always either the first one or the last one, but I was, I was the last speaker. And, um, I remember my sister saying, you need to do the super superhero stance. And she taught it to me and I remember standing there and doing it. And he made me do it for the whole five minutes. And I walked out on stage and delivered, a speech that got a standing ovation, over 700 and some odd people, but really what touched me, where the tears and people crying and bringing them joy, just sharing my little story, but not expecting it to be a standing ovation type of situation. But that superhero stance does something to your spirit. It actually ignites your experience of your spirit to, to go to another level. Not like I said,not in conceit, but in that I can do this.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I, you know, I think we should really teach children this stance. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> They know </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">that stance. I think we, I think society unteaches them. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:40]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> Oh, definitely. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Who are you? What's the, what's so special about you. Can you go and we as parents, we really have to be advocates for our children, where this is concerned. This is not the teacher's responsibility. So for all of you will think it's the teacher's responsibility. It is not the teacher's responsibility. It is not even the marshal. If your, if your child's in the martial arts, I am a Tai Chi, studier. This is not something your Tai-Chi master has to teach you or your teacher or whatever.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">This is something that parents need to do with their children. Join as a family. Today, you're going to go to school and you're going to ACE that test. I'm going to tell you how you're going to do it. We're going to pray. We're going to, we're going to say some affirmations, and then you're going to stand there for five minutes in your superhero.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:31]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> It's funny. We were going over that. Well, our daughter was about nine years old and she was a big wrestling fan and it was this one wrestler that used to talk with so much confidence. He sounded cocky. And I told her before the exam, think that you are him because he talks it, he walks it, he shows it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and she did it and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">she aced the exams.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And it's amazing how self-awareness. But when as young children, we beat each other up. Yeah. Cause I'm having a bad day. So I'm gonna take it out on you. But like, as Vanessa would say, it's up to the parents to reassure, to recharge. It's not you it's him. It's her. Be the best you can. People. And as you grow up, you realize people are always out here to beat you down.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If they're having a bad day, like the waiter in the restaurant. Okay, fine. You're having a bad day, but God bless you. I'm okay. Whatever it is bothering you. Sorry, but me being a new Yorker, I wouldn't care. You're having a bad day. Oh, that's too bad. That's too bad. Here's a sarcastic remark to take with you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:46]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> But, but, but he's learned, you know, on that very same thing, but that superhero thing is so very, very powerful </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:53]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And they found out that it affects other people. So they did this blind study where they had one group do the power pose, and then they had one group that didn't and they were all going on</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">job interviews, the ones that did, and they all had the same qualifications, the ones that did the power pose, all got the job. People can sense it. It's on another level. And also they did this study with like people who go on what's that show, uh, Shark Tank, the ones that show themselves coming in.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And using their hands. So you can see their hands, even as I'm talking and no one can see us. When I use my hands, you're able to understand me better when I use my hands. It's a scientific thing that they've looked into that if you let your, if you let your body move, there's a better form of communication.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The other person receives things that you're saying, if you sit on your hands and do it, they don't hear you. It's really interesting. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:56]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> So being a new Yorker that's um, I'm </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:58]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> okay. That</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Ray, Ray, we've been wanting to talk to you for the longest time because you have that engineer mind, which is Matt also. And we're just wondering, can you tell us about how you all work together? Just as a quick example, I'm completely illogical. Matt is logical. He's also very spiritual, but he won't let it go </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:23]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> illogical, say your intuitive.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Say you make decisions based more on emotion. Don't say your it's like saying I'm not something I don't, I don't like that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> illogical (emphasizing like a robot). I just put ill right on it. I do it on purpose to just explain how radically different we are in the way we operate. I'm not saying actually Matt is highly spiritual and like very intuitive, but like, we were just wondering how does that work?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And, and also, oh, I also, I know you have dinner plans coming up, so I like want to squeeze everything in really quick, Vanessa. I want to see how you, I want to know what you've been seeing and what you feel translates in a person. Like what's the first thing that translates to you. The first time I ever heard you speak was in your class actually.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And you described someone's shoes as being extremely pointy. I think you said that. And that I think about that all the time, because you know, I just want to know how things get translated to you, to your spirit when you're out in the world and Ray, how did things get translated to you and how do you translate to others?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Because you know, here, Matt, can you speak on this? Speak</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">engineer, talk.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">How does it, how does it work? How do you work together? Are you opposites? Like, are you opposites in the way you see the world and the way you operate and communicate? Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:56]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> I think Vanessa would see the colors I'm seeing how they were made. And yeah, as, as an engineer, I, I, when somebody will ask me a question, I'll give you the answer and all the details behind it and the history.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Some people don't want to hear that. Just tell me the answer. My brother used to get annoyed. He would ask me a question and I'm going to give you the whole technical way out of it because it's, I'm nerdy. Yeah. That's I love to give information and I still do that. And sometimes it's annoying and, but now I'm catching myself.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They don't want to know just give them the answer, that's it, but on the inside, I'm bolting with energy to explain, Hey, and by the way, and give you more information. And a lot of people, they don't want to hear it. And as an engineer, I go from being technical for eight to 10 hours a day to nobody wants to hear it. So for me, it hurts sometimes when I'm ever around my family, nobody's into engineering, but thankfully I have a niece and nephew they're interested in the space program and they can ask me, I could sit down and talk with them and they're only 11 and 12 years old, but I felt it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I want to regurgitate all this information to them because it's how I learned. I asked questions. I was around nerdy people and it's nice to be around somebody who can speak your language as a nerd. And the world today, I was told, told nerds are cool now thank you. But there was a time when we were shunned, scorned made fun of, but to know that now it's popular to be this way, but I have to find the people to be with </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> absolutely </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:46]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> because not everybody wants to know how a rocket goes in the air and what happens, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:51]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> you know, and I will say too, as, as Ray, as a man and, I'm a woman, we do speak differently.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There would be times when Ray would come in from work and my whole thing was much like a puppy. Hi, sweetie, HOW ARE YOU? How was your day? And he's like, bring it down a notch. I didn't, you know, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:43:10]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> let's, you can figure out this equation problem. I don't want to talk to you. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:43:14]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> Yes. And I'm going to go to the basement and I don't want to hear your voice until I come upstairs, you know?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And it wasn't, it wasn't this whole, for all my feminists out there, please don't feel like, oh, he was just trying to shut a sister down. That's not what he was doing. It is, my mind has been on engineering all day. I have to defrag for a second. And once I defrag, then we can kind of have a conversation about the baby, my day and all that went on with my day.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Me, you know, uh, Ray teases me still now, Matt and Fawn. He goes: if somebody called you at three o'clock in the morning, you would still answer the phone pleasantly. Wouldn't you? It would never be hello. It's never that, hi, what's going on? At 3am in the morning. He goes, somebody, you know, I'm calling, tell you that so-and-so died.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Oh, I'm so sorry. You know, then I'd , bring it down. But it is like that. And it's always been like that for me, I guess for me working in a hospital, there was never an off button for, uh, for me. So, uh, and then I was doing the job that nobody wanted. I was a phlebotomist, which is a vampire basically. And I was walking into people's rooms, being cursed out.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Most of the time didn't want me, uh, the, the worst were having parents who would say, like, I was a dog. I was going to be sicced onto their child to take blood. If you don't behave, I'm going to have that lady over there, stick you. Why would you do that? I'm here to help the kid. I'm not here to hurt your kid.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm here to help you and the kid. You don't want the doctor to come in here and draw the blood doctor, come in and tell the blood. You will lose it, really will lose it, but it was very hurtful. And what I had to do was not internalize it. In a hospital. You get to see everybody. This is the one thing that I've learned.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I think it's why I am the way that I am. Sickness doesn't care what color you are. Doesn't care if you're a man or a woman doesn't care. If you're a kid doesn't care. If you were just born or you're 105 years old, it doesn't care if you live in Hollywood, it doesn't care that you're Gabrielle Union or Tom Hanks.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It don't care. It doesn't care. And I had to kind of put on that attitude. So when I walked in the room and somebody would tell me,get out of my room, or whatever, they were cussing me out or whatever, not to really take it to heart. You're in a hospital. You're not feeling good. You might've gotten some bad news from a doctor.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You don't want to hear from nobody. Okay. So, so I had to learn how to kind of bring it down. It's not about you, it's about your patient. And I kind of have that attitude when it comes to people. I E the waitress that was not so nice. I looked at her most of the night, what's going on with you because much like you fawn, I am spiritual much like Matt as well.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Very, very spiritual. I pick up people's spirits. I could tell there was something that was going on with her. And also that she was struggling a little bit with the color. I knew that, but I'm like, that's when you, because I watched her how she took care of the other customers that came in that were not my color.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">She was very kind to them, not so kind to me. And the way that she spoke to her coworker, who was the color that I am not very kind to him as well. So I'm like you you're having a struggle or whatever, but you know, it is, it is what it is, but I have to stay grounded that way in kindness because with the low self-esteem, with the lack of confidence, it brings the energy down so low that it radiates to where cancer starts, where depression starts, where all kinds of sadness, diseases, everything start at 42 megs.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">When you start getting into love and acceptance, that's when we get into the hundreds, the five hundreds and then enlightenment, which is a thousand Watts. That's where I want to be; enlightened. So I would shut my mouth and not say anything, if it will bring peace. Does that make sense? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:39]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Absolutely. And it makes sense because when you have that light it casts a light on all the darkness out there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:47]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> Yes. I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:49]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> wish I had her confidence. I'm the opposite. I grew up in a very confrontational environment. So being around Vanessa has taught me everything doesn't even need a reaction. So I'm learning to just shut up, let it go. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> But which is very hard. I mean, cause um, Ray comes from a family that will do, what's called the, does its, where they'll sit there and they'll crack on eachother.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:18]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> We would just verbally tear each other to pieces. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:20]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> Verbal, verbally tear each other to pieces. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:22]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> And, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">, that is what's baked into me plus a little bit of Groucho Marx. So that's my defense mechanism. I'm going to cut you up sarcastically and enjoy it. And, but as an adult, I can't do that. And I have to learn how to shut it off because it's a reaction from me can create the wrong compensation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right? Exactly. Yeah. Let it go. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:51]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And I find that an engineer kind of mind there, there's a certain tone that comes out once in a while that you may not mean. For example, we bought a house a years ago. And we were trying to get things done in it very, very quickly. Like we needed flooring and we couldn't find any company to come in and do it within the timeline that we had.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And Matt, I said, Matt, please, can you call this list that I have? And he did. And there was one woman he spoke to who said, I'm really busy now with so many clients. I can't do the work for you. And Matt said, "good for you," but he </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:49:29]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> exactly </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">good for </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">you. I'm really happy. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:49:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> No, but he was genuinely happy because back then I was starting my business.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We were really conscious of small businesses, mom and pop businesses, which she was. And so he literally was genuinely happy for her, but because of his mind and his Mo state and his, you know, when you're in a car in front of the computer all day, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:49:53]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Beyond in a logical state. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:49:55]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So very logical. And so she got so offended </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:50:00]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and she should have, because I did come across as an a-hole, I didn't mean </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:50:03]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> to, but yeah.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Uh, I had to call her and say, this is what he meant. And so she calmed down, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:50:09]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> I could see engineers, we were trying to resolve deluge with trying to figure things out. That is our purpose to figure things out. And if I have a list of alternatives, once you tell me no I'm going on, but I may come back to you</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">if I feel we can work something out. But time is of the essence with engineers. It's always get it fixed yesterday. You give me 10 people and nine out of 10, it's going to give me the answer I don't want to hear I'm hanging up the phone immediately. Let's move on. There's nothing you could do for me. It's not, I'm not being rude, but I need an answer quickly </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:50:46]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> and much.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like what Matt said, uh, you know, his answer was great, you're working it wasn't she took it as, oh, you're being sarcastic. And that wasn't the case at all. You're busy. Great. Wonderful, good for you!. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:50:59]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> I got move on. Sorry. Next thing. That's just the way it we're we're we're built like Vanessa would know that. Well, she wouldn't know I would come home sometimes trying to figure something out and there's a team of us and it's taken us days, sometimes weeks the burden is on somebody to lead up the team.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So we bring it home and that's how we think. I'm not here to dabble. I'm here to get it right. And sometimes it comes across as too cocky, but it's like you hired somebody to come and fix the problem and leave. I'm not here to make friends. I'm here to get paid through my job, go home. And when I was in aerospace, that was my demeanor.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">In the later years, when I realized I knew what I was doing, I knew who I was, and I don't have time. Because time is wasted. I have a bunch of projects on my desk and I need to finish them. The problems never stopped. That's why our minds are so matter of fact, yeah, you finished one problem, there is another. And you know, you going on vacation is still a problem.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">People are calling you, sending you emails. I don't know I'm on holiday. Leave me alone. Right. That's just the way it is. We're not rude. We're engineers. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:52:13]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And some people, some people use it as their whole, um, their whole shtick. Like I'm going to give you another martial arts example. We went to a Sumo match one day, Matt and I went to a Sumo match and was the guy Māori?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The guy that would yell with his mouth wide open. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:52:32]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> He was a Pacific Islander. He was, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:52:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> this guy was very intimidating looking the tattoos, very, very big Sumo big, but like they had different classes of big, by the way, they had very thin female Sumo wrestlers also. But anyway, this guy was very aggressive and before every one of his matches, he would do this</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">yell. Like he would get into the other person's face and just growl. What did he do? Exactly. It was </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:53:01]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> almost like a Māori war chant yell thing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:53:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> Yes, it was, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:53:06]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> it was very intense. I'm sorry. Really quick Ray, please, please. Don't lose your thought, Ray, but like very quickly what happened was, you know, it's all about figuring out how to diffuse a situation with just one word or like one glance because his opponent, this one time when he did that was, was he Hungarian?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It doesn't matter where the guy was from. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:53:26]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> He was the French national champion as a matter was he, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:53:29]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> he was smaller and less intimidating. Like actually he had a kind demeanor and so they were all ready to go. The guy that the guy did, his war cry in his face. And the guy, they were all crouched up, ready to go. You know how they, they crouched down, they put their hands on their knees.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">This guy took one hand off his knees and just gave him the thumbs up. Simple, like good for you waiting. And the whole croowd, the whole audience started laughing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:54:00]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> Oh my goodness. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:54:03]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh my goodness. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:54:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And you know, what's so did the other guy, the intimidating guy. And I think </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:54:11]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> I w I will tell you, I had a similar situation about, uh, 10 years ago,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">I won a contest, singing. It was called the Mary Mary show, here in America. It was two sisters who were gospel artists. I entered the contest and, you know, I didn't even really have any clue whether I was gonna win or not. I was just going to sing and do my thing. There were a lot of young people, I mean, much younger than I was a lot of young people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And there was this young girl that came on and every week you would have to have people vote. So it was done all on Facebook, but you could see, and people were coming in and voting family members and everybody had to vote every day for about 130 days they would have to vote. You would see your box would go up and all the winners that were, in that week, I would still be in the box, but I would always be the last one.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Then there were weeks when I would be the first one. I didn't do all the things that they did. They did a whole lot of antics and makeup and different things like that. I put some makeup on and I sang into a spoon. Literally I sang into a spoon. This young girl came on and she had her families come members come on to kind of, egg me and to heckle me. She would come on and you're not going to when you're old.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And he would, I mean, she would say such mean things. I'm not even gonna go into some of the things that she said. She just said some really nasty things. And I would always be very kind. I would always be very tired. I hope you win. I hope this works out really, really good for you. This would be an opportunity.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You don't have to wish anything for me. Okay. Alrighty. But not to cut you off, Ray, but I went on through that and I knew what God was saying to me. You're going to win and I would hear it over and over again. You're going to win because you got personality. They're not just looking for the voice.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They're looking for the stage presence and the personality. And sure enough, I won first two things they said to me was you're mad, crazy singer, but more than your singing, your personality was everything; you singing into that spoon and having so much joy, singing into a spoon at your desk, with all your artwork behind you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That that's why we picked you your personality.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:56:47]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> And it's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">like playing sports. And most sports, I grew up playing American baseball and most sports as an individual athlete, there are moments when you're on your own, you're by yourself. You gotta make that play to hit, whatever it takes to win, it's you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Athletes do have a Superman stance, like the Sumo wrestler. He had his grunt, his yell. All athletes have something that pushes the fear behind. And pushes their confidence forward. We have to do it, or else we'll shrink, we'll crumble when the time is right. And over a course of time, as an athlete, we learn how to just shut it off and all athletes, no matter who they are, we're nervous.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We don't want to screw it up. I don't care who it is. It's in the back of your mind. I don't want to be the one. It's there and athletes know how to turn it on and off in an instant. And it's the same thing. We have to know how to connect with it, identify what is helping us and put that forward and push everything back at that moment.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that's what I feel, what it's all about. We all have to find that switch and going from engineering to sports, there were days when I'd leave my job, go straight to the game. I'm stressed out from the job. I'm in the game and there's a tight moment. I can't be worried about the job. I have to turn that switch and it's a weird way of handling us as a human, but we have to do it, find it, connect with it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And sometimes that voice of doubt in the back of your mind, it's always going to be there. We have to know how to control it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:58:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Thank you, Ray. You are so amazing and beautiful. Both of you. Matt has been quiet and I guarantee you when we stopped recording, he's going to say you didn't let me speak. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:58:48]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> No, I've been totally fine.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">This time you have me on tape saying it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:58:52]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> Oh, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:58:55]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But I just, I want to thank you. I know you have dinner plans and there's so many other questions I have for you, Ray. And I know Matt does too, and I want to know more about how your art is changing from being in Paris, . Oh my goodness. There's so much.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So I really want to continue the conversation and I do respect and value your time. And I want you to go and have the most exquisite dinner every dinner every day, every night, every evening. I want you to have a beautiful every day and I'm so literally like Matt and I are so giggly over here in our little apartment in a tiny town in Colorado because Ray and Vanessa are in Paris.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yes, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:59:43]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> we. It's been amazing. You have a, so seven 15, so, so I thought </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:59:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> you were supposed to be there at seven 15. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:59:53]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> Yeah. Okay, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:59:53]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> man, it's just me and you, the ladies can go now, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:59:58]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> but you asked about the art, um, you know, I've been filling up sketchbooks for awhile. And so being in France, this is the perfect place to sketch.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Actually, I have a friend of mine that's coming from Amsterdam to be here with me on Saturday and she and I are going to people watch and sketch all day. That's all we plan to do sketch and collage. So I'm looking forward to that. But, I had the most wonderful opportunity to go to, Magasin Sennelier</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I think it is Magasin Sennelier, the art store, right across from the Louvre; amazing. I want to say to anybody who is an artist, that's listening to this podcast, I think every artist needs to come to France at some point in their career and go to the art stores here. They are nothing like the American art stores, nothing I what's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:00:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> happening.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:00:54]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> It took </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:00:55]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> some of the stories are old. Yeah. They, they, the oldest store to, from my opinion, the more stuff they would have that is not on display. Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:01:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> Yes. So there are brands of watercolor. There are pencils, there are paint pigments and things that you can't order in America, you know, and Amazon is supposed to be this online thing, but you can get anything you want.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There are certain things that even Amazon will not be able to carry. I walk into the store, you can feel the energy from the store from the 17 hundreds. I mean, literally you could feel it. You could feel that there have been famous artists that came in here to buy art supplies. The store is very, very tiny.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">, it has a spiral staircase that went up and when we went up, I mean, very small rooms and everything because the people back then were very tiny, you know? So it's not this big store that you walk into, but even the cabinetry that they keep all the pigments in, it was, it was the most amazing thing I had ever seen in my whole entire life.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:02:09]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> We used to know of a store in New York called Pearl Paint, the original store on Canal Street, was like that it was a store that was around for maybe a hundred years, old creepy floors, tight walls, but they had everything in there. And if you didn't see it, or if you knew what you wanted, they had it somewhere in the basement warehouse , and this store reminded me </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">of it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:02:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was exactly like Pearl paints, uh, the people so very, very friendly. Although there was one young man who was not happy to see all the art supplies I was buying early in the morning. This is too much.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I hate you Americans. I was like, oh, okay. I, I understand. But it was, it was tremendous. I mean, um, I will go to probably another art store. I have to say too, as a children's book, illustrator going and seeing the children's books here have been the most amazing thing. They are not like American children's books.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">French. Yes. The French are not afraid to talk about hard things with children as Americans are, we are, um, we, we just lack decorum. We don't know how to talk about death with children, but I know the French French do the Germans do definitely. And to walk into these stores and to see books that you're not going to find in America, that it's been everything, Fawn.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It has been the best trip ever in life was coming to France. We're going </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:03:44]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> to have tons of new, uh, pictures, uh, paintings, all kinds of stuff coming out from this trip. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:03:51]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I, I so appreciate you sharing everything because it, it helps me so much because one of the big pains I've had is I do talk to my kids the way Europeans do.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I do feed my children the way Europeans do. And I've lost so many, um, like mom, friends, you know, like other families that have kids are our kids ages. They stopped talking to me because of how I raise our kids, which is with honesty and inclusion and, you know, total nourishment. I don't, I don't expose them to anything horrible, but w the conversations we have are so different than the conversations, my fellow American families have </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:04:36]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> because a child or a young adult asked </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">the door is open.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And if you don't fill their mind with the right information, the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">alternative is worse. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:04:48]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> But I will, I will say this too, in, in getting ready to close, is that, Fawn, when you and Matt are spiritual, like you are when you are also people of integrity, that changes everything. And so I will leave you with this: mediocrity is right down by the feet.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It will always stay around the feet and the knees. When you decide you want to go up, the air is thin. And not many people can say they're with you. And so it is really just the wrong people dropping off and that's fine. That's okay. And we have to be okay with that, is that we don't need 150 different friends.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We don't even need 10 fronts. We need three good friends. That's it. Three. And when we get there and get into a comfortable place of, you know, I don't need, I feel I need a 10 girlfriends. You don't need 10 girlfriends. You know, I, I tell my daughter this all the time. It's not about you having five friends or 20 friends.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Do you have two good friends that if the car broke down, all of y'all would find a way home. You would find a way together. You would find a way. That's the kind of friend I want to be. And if I can't have those kinds of friends around me, I'm good. I'm good. Exactly.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:06:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I, I consider those friends, family, my family, and, and I will speak for Matt too. He's very quiet today. I will speak for all of us here, Matt, the kids, Elle and Allegra, and myself, that Ray, Vanessa, you are our family. I am so happy. We are so happy to have you in our lives. And I, I love you. We love you so much.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:06:46]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> We love you. We love you. I love you all. You know, I fell in love with you all the first time I ever did an interview with you. Uh, Matt's energy is so high and so very, very powerful. And the two of you together are like plug-in socket. You know, once the two together, the energy is just popping and that, that means everything for a relationship and we consider you family, and we're all plugged in together. And that's a good </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">thing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:07:18]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> My deepest desire right now </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:07:21]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> is to go to France. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:07:22]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, it was when you told me you guys were going, we're like, we're going too, we're moving. The boxes are being packed. My desire is to live near you and to, to share more conversations with you, both. Ray, Vanessa, truly,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">thank you. Love you so much. And </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:07:44]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> thank you so much for carving out time during your big trip. Definitely very much appreciated. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:07:50]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:07:53]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> we love you. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:07:56]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I can't wait to hear about the dinner, so we'll talk </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:07:58]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> soon.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:08:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm sorry, Ray, could you repeat that?. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:08:06]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> Which dinner. There's so many that talk about </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:08:10]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> every morsel all day, every day. We're all about food here. Like I want to know everything. I get so excited by food. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:08:19]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> Yes. It's a barbecue place. Not too far from </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:08:22]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> us. That we're really shocked with that. We're going to go to tonight. We're going to walk around the corner and check it out.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like they have barbecue in France. Okay. Check it out. We've </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:08:34]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> been learning. If there's a line, the food is good though. It's like, well, I don't want to wait in line. I don't want to be in a crowded </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">restaurant, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:08:42]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> but if it's not, you might be disappointed. So</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:08:45]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> would </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">you mind looking for a line that goes to a vegan place and telling us about that?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:08:53]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> Yeah. There are tons of vegan places. Paris,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:09:00]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> goodness. It's like, it's got to be about five or six on every corner. It's amazing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:09:05]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> Yeah, it'd be every day we go out. In fact, we saw one </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:09:08]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> today. Yep. When, when, when you and Matt come back, you are not going to be disappointed every, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:09:15]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Ray:</strong></span> and then there's a slowly place I want to go to </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:09:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> tomorrow. I want to hear all about it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Okay. Love you. You're running late. You better go. We'll talk to you soon. Thank you so much. Love you so much. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:09:29]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Vanessa:</strong></span> Okay. Love you too. Bye bye now.</span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[We're all encoded with spectacular gifts, your fabulousness, your greatness translates wherever you go.
The BEAUTIFUL Vanessa Brantley-Newton is back, this time with her BRILLIANT husband Ray! They join us from their vacation in Paris, France, and share their adventures, experiences, wisdom, and advice for life, travel, food, love, art, and how to respectfully and lovingly travel the earth.
We love connecting with Vanessa and Ray. Join us as we discuss ways our fabulousness translates wherever we go. The world is a small town and it is so good to connect!
How is it that even though we may not speak the same language, we can completely understand each other?
Is it possible that we all have encoded something in our hearts that can translate for us and enable us to communicate, transcending words? Are there codes that we can access through sacred geometry in our bodies that when we assume a specific posture, can change the way we communicate and the way others are able to understand our inner nature?
 Vanessa Brantley-Newton on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/vanessabrantleynewton/?hl=en
https://www.vanessabrantleynewton.com/
 Vanessa's Ted Talk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuMBHSZf32c
Magasin Sennelier, the art store,the Louvre;store in New York called Pearl Paint, the original store on Canal Street,
Maison Bossier https://www.magasinsennelier.art/en/ the Les Frenchies https://lesfrenchiestravel.com/the power pose
 
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[00:00:00] Fawn: Hello, welcome to our friendly world, everyone. Okay, look, look, look, look, look okay if you can't, if you can't see me. Listen, listen, listen, listen to this. And if you can't, if you can't understand the words that I'm saying, like you speak another language.
 If you can't speak the same language, I want you to feel me out. Just feel me out. I have a message for you. Most of you listening know where the message came from. Where was I when I got the message? Nevermind. Don't say it, but you all know the one room where I receive messages, my guidance of what I'm supposed to do comes and it came today.
And I'm so happy to share today with you because we have two beautiful guests. I'm so excited. I've been giggly since we found out yesterday. So the message is, this is what I heard today, that, and this...]]>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>Sharing stories is the key to bonding. We explain the difference between sharing and telling a story. Then we get to the bad sharing which is another kind of storytelling/sharing (gossip) that destroys our bond, and we use Twitter as an example of how our society has lost the ability to connect. In this episode, we have a solution to bring us back together again.  There is a way out of this. There is a way to have a better life, to have a beautiful society. And it's not as hard as you think. You don't have to figure out how to move mountains. You just have to sit in simplicity</p>
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<p>The Gossipy Friend<br />[00:00:00] Fawn: Yay for us. Hi everybody. Yay for us, meaning all of us together listening right now. Hi everyone. Guess what? I was partaking in a very boring conversation yesterday <br />[00:00:15] Matt: was <br />[00:00:15] Fawn: that with me? You were there, but you were not the reason for the boredom, but you were. I think we were all contributing to the boredom because neither side wanted to talk about anything.<br />Because one side lives and believes radically different than ours. All this <br />[00:00:32] Matt: would be yes, yes. The call <br />[00:00:34] Fawn: with family<br />[00:00:35] Matt: family. <br />[00:00:36] Fawn: So as the conversation was being had on speakerphone and the whole family's at the table, I must admit that I was zoning out ( Matt exclaims sarcastically) and we are surrounded by boxes in our kitchen, at the moment, there was one box that was in front of me and it had in big, big letters "BELONG", like belong B E L O N G. And I started to play like, oh, what other words can I make out of belong? And so I realized with belong, you can create "ONE GLOBE". We all belong to one globe. So I was tripping out on that, the whole conversation; one global. Am I the only one tripping out on that?<br />Isn't that great?!?!<br /> Anyway, <br />[00:01:20] Matt: you know, actually, nevermind. <br />[00:01:21] Fawn: No, go ahead. <br />[00:01:22] Matt: Well, I wrote a computer program because that's what I do. And I programmed peoples, I programmed all of the house names of the house into it. And as it turns out, if I scramble up the letters in ALLEGRA, it actually spells like a genus of birds or something random.<br />I mean, it's weird. Yeah, nobody else's full names came out to <br />anything, but,<br />[00:01:43] Fawn: but collectively our names come to "FAME". <br />[00:01:46] Matt: Well, that's the first letter of each <br />[00:01:48] Fawn: that's as complex as I can get.<br />[00:01:50] Matt: I understand. <br />Oh my God. I should get all the letters together. Scramble them up. <br />[00:01:56] Fawn: Okay. Stop. So we digress. We have digressed even before we have started, we have a really good show today.<br />Oh, well, you know, show we have a really important topic we want to talk about. We're really eager to get into. So I'm going to start. And then Matt, you come in. Okay. Matt is covering his mouth cause I told them don't you interrupt me? Let me, let me get my thoughts out first because I am the Chewbacca. I can't play games with people. If you interrupt me, or if you disagree with me or if you win, I get really mad, I, I can't function after that in a normal way.<br />Matt is looking away. All right. So here we go. Initially, we were going to talk about the, what did we call it initially? The title we were going to use<br />[00:02:47] Matt: "The Disagreeable Friend" , <br />[00:02:48] Fawn: "The Disagreeable Friend" , and as we were delving into it, I realized, oh my goodness, this goes back to what we learned some years ago that, people get labeled as crazy or stupid.<br />Right? When you are no longer able to understand someone's...</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Sharing stories is the key to bonding. We explain the difference between sharing and telling a story. Then we get to the bad sharing which is another kind of storytelling/sharing (gossip) that destroys our bond, and we use Twitter as an example of how our society has lost the ability to connect. In this episode, we have a solution to bring us back together again.  There is a way out of this. There is a way to have a better life, to have a beautiful society. And it's not as hard as you think. You don't have to figure out how to move mountains. You just have to sit in simplicity
 
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The Gossipy Friend[00:00:00] Fawn: Yay for us. Hi everybody. Yay for us, meaning all of us together listening right now. Hi everyone. Guess what? I was partaking in a very boring conversation yesterday [00:00:15] Matt: was [00:00:15] Fawn: that with me? You were there, but you were not the reason for the boredom, but you were. I think we were all contributing to the boredom because neither side wanted to talk about anything.Because one side lives and believes radically different than ours. All this [00:00:32] Matt: would be yes, yes. The call [00:00:34] Fawn: with family[00:00:35] Matt: family. [00:00:36] Fawn: So as the conversation was being had on speakerphone and the whole family's at the table, I must admit that I was zoning out ( Matt exclaims sarcastically) and we are surrounded by boxes in our kitchen, at the moment, there was one box that was in front of me and it had in big, big letters "BELONG", like belong B E L O N G. And I started to play like, oh, what other words can I make out of belong? And so I realized with belong, you can create "ONE GLOBE". We all belong to one globe. So I was tripping out on that, the whole conversation; one global. Am I the only one tripping out on that?Isn't that great?!?! Anyway, [00:01:20] Matt: you know, actually, nevermind. [00:01:21] Fawn: No, go ahead. [00:01:22] Matt: Well, I wrote a computer program because that's what I do. And I programmed peoples, I programmed all of the house names of the house into it. And as it turns out, if I scramble up the letters in ALLEGRA, it actually spells like a genus of birds or something random.I mean, it's weird. Yeah, nobody else's full names came out to anything, but,[00:01:43] Fawn: but collectively our names come to "FAME". [00:01:46] Matt: Well, that's the first letter of each [00:01:48] Fawn: that's as complex as I can get.[00:01:50] Matt: I understand. Oh my God. I should get all the letters together. Scramble them up. [00:01:56] Fawn: Okay. Stop. So we digress. We have digressed even before we have started, we have a really good show today.Oh, well, you know, show we have a really important topic we want to talk about. We're really eager to get into. So I'm going to start. And then Matt, you come in. Okay. Matt is covering his mouth cause I told them don't you interrupt me? Let me, let me get my thoughts out first because I am the Chewbacca. I can't play games with people. If you interrupt me, or if you disagree with me or if you win, I get really mad, I, I can't function after that in a normal way.Matt is looking away. All right. So here we go. Initially, we were going to talk about the, what did we call it initially? The title we were going to use[00:02:47] Matt: "The Disagreeable Friend" , [00:02:48] Fawn: "The Disagreeable Friend" , and as we were delving into it, I realized, oh my goodness, this goes back to what we learned some years ago that, people get labeled as crazy or stupid.Right? When you are no longer able to understand someone's...]]>
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<p>The Gossipy Friend<br />[00:00:00] Fawn: Yay for us. Hi everybody. Yay for us, meaning all of us together listening right now. Hi everyone. Guess what? I was partaking in a very boring conversation yesterday <br />[00:00:15] Matt: was <br />[00:00:15] Fawn: that with me? You were there, but you were not the reason for the boredom, but you were. I think we were all contributing to the boredom because neither side wanted to talk about anything.<br />Because one side lives and believes radically different than ours. All this <br />[00:00:32] Matt: would be yes, yes. The call <br />[00:00:34] Fawn: with family<br />[00:00:35] Matt: family. <br />[00:00:36] Fawn: So as the conversation was being had on speakerphone and the whole family's at the table, I must admit that I was zoning out ( Matt exclaims sarcastically) and we are surrounded by boxes in our kitchen, at the moment, there was one box that was in front of me and it had in big, big letters "BELONG", like belong B E L O N G. And I started to play like, oh, what other words can I make out of belong? And so I realized with belong, you can create "ONE GLOBE". We all belong to one globe. So I was tripping out on that, the whole conversation; one global. Am I the only one tripping out on that?<br />Isn't that great?!?!<br /> Anyway, <br />[00:01:20] Matt: you know, actually, nevermind. <br />[00:01:21] Fawn: No, go ahead. <br />[00:01:22] Matt: Well, I wrote a computer program because that's what I do. And I programmed peoples, I programmed all of the house names of the house into it. And as it turns out, if I scramble up the letters in ALLEGRA, it actually spells like a genus of birds or something random.<br />I mean, it's weird. Yeah, nobody else's full names came out to <br />anything, but,<br />[00:01:43] Fawn: but collectively our names come to "FAME". <br />[00:01:46] Matt: Well, that's the first letter of each <br />[00:01:48] Fawn: that's as complex as I can get.<br />[00:01:50] Matt: I understand. <br />Oh my God. I should get all the letters together. Scramble them up. <br />[00:01:56] Fawn: Okay. Stop. So we digress. We have digressed even before we have started, we have a really good show today.<br />Oh, well, you know, show we have a really important topic we want to talk about. We're really eager to get into. So I'm going to start. And then Matt, you come in. Okay. Matt is covering his mouth cause I told them don't you interrupt me? Let me, let me get my thoughts out first because I am the Chewbacca. I can't play games with people. If you interrupt me, or if you disagree with me or if you win, I get really mad, I, I can't function after that in a normal way.<br />Matt is looking away. All right. So here we go. Initially, we were going to talk about the, what did we call it initially? The title we were going to use<br />[00:02:47] Matt: "The Disagreeable Friend" , <br />[00:02:48] Fawn: "The Disagreeable Friend" , and as we were delving into it, I realized, oh my goodness, this goes back to what we learned some years ago that, people get labeled as crazy or stupid.<br />Right? When you are no longer able to understand someone's viewpoint, those two words destroy everything. And it gives you free reign to say, I'm not going to listen to you because you're crazy or you're stupid. As we were delving into this and doing a lot of thinking about it, I realized we should really be calling it "The Gossipy Friend".<br />So here we go guys. Here is my, my take on it. And then you tell me what you think.<br />"The Gossipy Friend," and the gossipy friend I'm going to label really, I'm talking about social media, the gossipy friend, and how it has destroyed our bond.<br />Why friendship is so important and can save our society, especially right at this moment in time.<br />There's a story that most people know. It comes after Noah building the Ark, when they landed on land, they formed a city.<br />And the story of a city where everyone's spoke the same language and they were able to create everything; that nothing was impossible for them. That was their society. But eventually the city was destroyed because the society reached a point that even though the people all spoke the same language.<br />People were not able to communicate or understand each other, even speaking the same language, having the same experiences, something happened to break all that apart. Usually there are three ingredients, I think. There are three ingredients that hold a bond for us as a family, as a collective. I'm talking about friendships.<br />Friendship to me is key for family, for everything. The core of every institution for me and why I'm doing what I'm doing with this podcast, with everything I'm talking about over the years, the core of everything from my point of view is friendship. You can't have family without friendship. You can't have a marriage without friendship. You can't have society without friendship. You get what I'm saying?<br /> These are the three components that exist to hold this together, to hold this bond together. One is experience. For example, being in a field with a certain expertise. That everyone trusts like a teacher or a doctor; someone who's studied something and you have faith and trust in this person to do their job or to lead.<br /> Number two is like an elder, an elder doesn't have to be someone old. It means someone wise that can lead a community that can bring people together. That's number two. Number three of the bond that I'm talking about that needs to happen, the third component would be shared stories.<br />The only way we can really relate to one another is to share a story. If you tell a story it's like quite superficial . But if you share a story, you get all your senses in there and you can understand the person's point of view, or I can get you to understand my point of view because, in describing something to you, I bring you right there with me and you can understand where I'm coming from or where I came from.<br />And you have empathy and you have an understanding.<br />So in sharing my story, I would use all my senses to tell you about my experience. For example, I'm trying to think of an example of a story right now. All right. Um, a couple of days ago, I was so here's my story from a couple of days ago, I was summoned for jury duty. Matt is shaking his head. Um, I went and on the jury notice, it says jury duty is , one day, maybe three days. We get there.<br />And in this room there's like almost a hundred people in there, all jurors. And I'm getting nervous because one it's been a while since I've been in a room with that many people like close, except for the airport and the airplane. And two. I'm very fearful of the law. Like institutions like that, like hospitals, government buildings, I always feel nervous, uncomfortable. Because I'm an empath, I can pick things up that most people can just shrug off. I can't shrug it off. I pick up on people's emotions. I go to the grocery store, I'm touching something that someone else has touched and I feel that person, it sounds absurd, but that's how, that's how I am.<br /> Friends who become friends with me at first, think it's funny or I'm making it up. Until they see firsthand. No, I can't look at this movie because I, I, I'm not able to live normally after seeing an image that may last only a few seconds. I can't look at violence. It's not entertainment for me. It's scary to me. It is heartbreaking. And I'm not using those words lightly. It's heartbreaking to see someone else get hurt. It's not entertainment and I don't need to go there. I already feel the injustices of the world. I feel all of that. So it's not necessary. I digressed. So here I am. I'm hoping that I won't be called and then they give us more information.<br />It turns out that what we're going to be part of, is a murder trial. I'm like, oh my God. Out of all people to get picked, I am the worst person. I can not be non-judgemental I cannot be non-emotional. I cannot be logical. I'm purely emotion. That's how I am very, very emotional. Anyway, I'm like, well, maybe they won't pick me out of a hundred people, they wanted 38 and then from 38, they were going to go to 14. Well guess who was front and center sitting two and a half feet away from prosecution and what do you call the other side? The defendants prosecutor. Oh my God. And then the judge, and I don't know what my demeanor was, but guys I was sitting, I was in the front row.<br />And when you come, in at the, the, the way I was noticing the way the prosecution and the defendants, even, I think the judge that didn't, wasn't really looking at her at that point, but I felt like we were being scanned in a mystical way. Like scanned, like the people, the lawyers, every single person coming in, they were doing it so fast and so methodically, so robotic in a way that it scared the hell out of me, that I was like, what are they picking up on every person and how are they able to do it so fast? They're makinging judgments right there on who they want and what your demeanor is and who you are. Like, God knows what they've been trained to pick up, but it made me really scared that whatever it is about me is being judged right now.<br />And so, and then they're asking me not to judge. I was sitting there in the front row. I had my bag with me that had , hand sanitizer, um, my phone that was turned off, I had some paper and a pen, you know, like normal stuff you would have in your bag. I was holding onto this and I looked down and you could see my white knuckles.<br />I was clasping my hands together, trying to not cry because I was so scared, but I also, I was feeling in my heart, I was trying to figure out what happened. Someone was murdered. Oh my God. I, I, um, I was distraught immediately. And so then they tell you you're not allowed to speak of this to anyone. You're not allowed to read the paper.<br />You're not allowed to go on the internet. You're not allowed to watch the news. You're not allowed to speak to anyone in your life about what's happening here. I'm like, oh my God, I can't. I am going to explode. Like I, I'm just gonna, I, I, I can't deal with this. I cannot handle with the amount of stress I've lived in my life. Um, I'm not a normal person that can cu .<br />What's the word, Matt? I can't<br />[00:11:26] Matt: compartmentalize <br />[00:11:27] Fawn: compartmentalize, things like that. I'm an emotional person. <br />[00:11:33] Matt: Right. <br />[00:11:34] Fawn: Um, anyway, needless to say, I started to have a panic attack and. And, um, I w I, I raised my hand and I went up to the judge and they saw my demeanor that they shouldn't be working with me<br />[00:11:52] Matt: to say the least.<br />[00:11:53] Fawn: I mean, I'm laughing because out of, um, nervousness, because I mean, I felt so many things. I felt sad and I felt scared because I, I can't do this. I can't judge someone else's life and condemn them or not condemn them. I don't think that I can be... Um, like I said, I, I can't, I cannot, we put my emotions to the side to make a decision.<br /> Anyway, um, they excused me. And when they said, I don't know if they said you are excused, I didn't hear it. So I kept sitting there. I went back to my seat facing the prosecution. And then, then someone took my seat and I still didn't get it. So I ended up moving to the side of the courtroom and then the judge was like, she called out my name and that terrified me.<br />I'm like you told everybody my name and she's like, get out,<br />I'm sweating and I'm telling you this, but you see, I just shared a story with you. , but I'm sure Matt, where you able to be in the courtroom with me?<br />[00:12:58] Matt: Yes. <br />[00:12:58] Fawn: So that's sharing a story. It's vulnerable. I don't like to tell people that I'm this emotional. I don't like to share my vulnerability like that, but I'm doing it.<br />I'm, I'm stepping over my zone of comfort to tell you this story, to share something with you, so you understand. That's what sharing a story means. And I think that's one of the most important things in friendship. And, to me, friendship means a bond. It is family, it is society and that's what's most important.<br />And I think that's why this podcast is so important, because when people, hear that, we talk about the art of friendship. They're like, oh yeah, it's some fluffy show where we preach to you, how to make friends. No, it's about sharing stories of life and that's how we bond. And that is the art of friendship.<br />So back to the gossipy friend. So those are the three components; experience, leadership and sharing. Social media and the retweet button comes in because we were reading this article and it was talking about that. It was talking about how social media has made people stupid and it and used the word stupid.<br />I'm like, okay. Article. I understand what you're saying, but it was so depressing reading this. was it not, Matt? It was scary and depressing. <br />[00:14:30] Matt: Absolutely <br />[00:14:31] Fawn: much like "The Social Dilemma" it's like, yeah. Thank you for telling us the truth that we already knew, but you kind of left us hanging you, you created this and then you're just going to say, I don't know.<br />[00:14:43] Matt: This is what's happening, guys. Okay. Let's <br />move on. <br />[00:14:45] Fawn: That's not helpful. Okay. Show me the story, but bring it back up with a solution or a thought of a solution. You know what I'm saying? So we were reading this article and, and I, and we totally agree because years ago when we started this friendship movement, we said, look, guys, you have to get off the computer.<br />So that's why we started the, the matchmaking service for platonic friends. We said just because you have likes and follows. You would think you have friends, that's not it guys, you're being lulled into this lie that you have community, you know? Sure. You could have a business and you have all these friends following you, providing you with something, but that's not true friendship right there. And so we were like, Hey, come on. Let's figure out. Remember the art of friendship and remember the art of meeting one another and the art of the beauty of recognizing one another. In-person. And maintaining that bond in life, right?<br />Arm in arm, eating together and making jokes together, walking together, looking at the sunrise or the sunset together, sharing a drink. Come on. That's what we're talking about. We want to get there. Right? We want to get back to that. The feeling of safety, you know, like the world is a safe place, <br />[00:16:09] Matt: right.<br />Exactly. <br />[00:16:10] Fawn: Getting back to this social media and the retweet button, and also the like, and the share button as I was looking at this, I realized, wow, words are spread. The words that are spread, will eventually end up completely changed. And so leading to logic versus emotion where emotion always trumps logic, which is what Matt says.<br />[00:16:36] Matt: We say that all the time,<br />[00:16:38] Fawn: you taught me that. Emotion trumps logic and creates a whole new world of anger because anger is destructive and anger is what feeds this beast. Very rarely do people gossip about high, energetic, loving, positive things. The truth is that the negative scary stuff is the stuff that sells in a society that is so controlled by fear.<br />You better buy this. If you don't buy this, your life will be horrible <br />[00:17:11] Matt: or your children's lives will be horrible. <br />[00:17:13] Fawn: Right? If you look at commercials, almost all of them have a fear component in there. So you're pulled you're propelled into rushing to get this thing because you're scared.<br />Right? And it's a lie. It's a way to feed whatever this is, that's not working in our society and I'm not saying you shouldn't go out and buy stuff. Oh my gosh. I want to buy all kinds of shiny stuff and make things even more beautiful. But when you're controlled by fear, that's not okay.<br />And eventually whatever you boughtout of that fear, you always have that target on it that reminds you of fear, fear of fear. And eventually you're going to want to get rid of that. And where does it end up? In the landfill? Going back to what gives you joy, you will eventually you will snap out of that trance that you were put into buying this thing.<br />And you're like, I don't want this. It doesn't bring me joy. And it's just such a waste.<br /> When you have enough gossip, eventually all trust is lost, completely lost. And that's the problem today. We don't trust anything. <br /> I want to show you how friendship is really the key, and we don't need anything, but that one friendship, it doesn't matter if it's democratic autocracy.<br /> So there comes a point like now where we realize that all along, all the stories we have been told are ridiculous, from doctors, you know, we go to the doctor and now we don't trust the doctor because the doctor, we realized things have changed so much that they don't even know .How many times Matt have we gone to the doctor and we say, we've discovered this.<br />And they're like, I don't know anything about that. <br />[00:19:05] Matt: Well, there's so much, <br />[00:19:07] Fawn: but we can't trust them anymore. And they're so wanting to be right. That they want to stick to what they know and say, this is the right way. But we know that there are other ways. I go to the acupuncturist because I appreciate the 3000, 5000 years of experience. And yet the modern medicine, beautiful medicine technology medicine that we have now, which is wonderful.<br />Doesn't know a lot. So I've lost my trust <br />[00:19:37] Matt: Knows different things. Let's be careful. <br />[00:19:41] Fawn: So from doctors to teachers. We don't trust the school system. We homeschool, we have we're original homeschoolers because we've seen, you know, we both come from families where there are teachers, and we've seen firsthand how ridiculous the school system is.<br />So we're like, no, don't trust you. And then you have the government as well. And we all have been experiencing that. So I'm not going to get too much into that. So we have to turn to ourselves. Which gets us into this lonely place that we're in right now, starting all over to find friends, family that we can build life with.<br />It's not easily done. It's like dating all over again. Remember we said that years ago we were trying to find good friends and we're like, oh my, I was like, oh my God, Matt. He's like dating all over again to find you, but we're just trying to find friends to have dinner with, to share a conversation with, and we would meet people and we'd say, yay, we found the one.<br />And then we're like, oh no, <br />[00:20:44] Matt: I've never said we found the one it's because people we can <br />get along with.<br />[00:20:48] Fawn: I was thinking, we found the ones. Yay. And then total sheer disappointment in the middle of the date, thinking, how are we going to get out of this? And I'm sure they were thinking the same about us. It just, it was dating all over again.<br />And finding most people that are embedded with major issues and don't have the capacity for friendship. So you find people you're trying to date, you're trying to make friends, but most people don't seem like they're in the right head space or they don't have the capacity to be searching for friends because they're dealing with fires in their lives.<br />Emotional fires, physical fires. There's a lot happening for everyone. And no one has the luxury of saying, ah, I would like to go to brunch today. Or go shopping for a pretty dress today, or guys, what would you say <br />[00:21:40] Matt: go shopping <br />for a pretty dress of course, no. Um, there aren't days that those occur though.<br />[00:21:46] Fawn: Yes. I'm not, I'm not trying to be like, this is all of life, but just bear with me. Okay. Just bear with me. We can share our stories. No, we can't. I don't think so. We can't share our stories and create a bond because communication is so twisted right now, communication has been completely destroyed much like going back to that story of Babel.<br />[00:22:12] Matt: Yes. It's the tower <br />of Babel. <br />[00:22:14] Fawn: Okay. Take a look at our society, like, think about all the movement. We move around nomadically looking for the right community, the right place to live with the right job. Everyone's always moving. Even if you live in one place, think about it. How easy is it to just get on a plane and end up a few hours later on the other side of the globe, it's constant movement.<br />And then when that happens, I feel like we become homesick in this new environment, missing the connections we had with others, looking for anything that resembles a home that we once knew, which leads to this term, confirmation bias, which is the tendency to find any minuscule amount of evidence that could resemble what we remember, what gives us comfort ,that resembles what we want to believe. You can think of this with like normal politics, but you can think of, think of it as dating, or making a new friend. You see someone and you're so desperate to connect. You know, first glance, this person is bad to the bone, right?<br />Let's think about the dates. I'll speak for myself. I would see a guy I'm like, oh no, this guy, you, you gave me the term freight train. This guy is a freight train, but because I'm so wanting connection, I'll find any minuscule little head of a pin evidence to say, this guy is my man and I will hold on to that.<br />[00:23:58] Matt: That's a little scary,<br />[00:23:59] Fawn: but that's how we are now. I'll speak for other, my friends who also, when we were dating, same thing. Think about it when you meet someone, you know, it's not the right fit, but you, you just want to connect so, so badly that you'll find anything, anything to latch onto, and then you create their whole vibe it becomes that for you until a few months later, it comes crashing down because that's not who they were. There's another way to describe it where you think, this person's always late . And then you think of yourself and you think, well, I'm always late because I have a very important excuse.<br />So I'm not a late person. I'm late because this happened to me. Whereas you're just as guilty as being late. It's kind of, isn't it kind of like confirmation bias, the same example where you can twist it around to make it more comfortable for yourself. And make yourself like the good guy. Well, yeah, <br />[00:25:01] Matt: you can resort facts to suit any viewpoint.<br />And <br />[00:25:05] Fawn: you can, it's kind of like saying like, like I've told you I've come across people who make a racist judgment about someone and I'll say, wow, that's my background. And they'll say to me, oh, you're not one of them. What, you're not one of that.<br />You're one of us, I'm sure you guys get the point. I think that the best way out of this trap is to go against the feeling of comfort and seek out people with opposing views and ideas.<br />And I think this is what we need to do especially in the United States,<br />it's the dating metaphor again, to date the person you normally wouldn't date to find true love. How many times did I date the same guy over and over again, hoping for different results. And then I met you and you were so different than everybody else that I was not into it at first. I was scared. I was like, no, I can't date this guy. Thank goodness. Thank goodness that I felt the love. And I realized, oh my goodness, this is, this is it.<br />Because let's face it. If your track record for dating has results that are not good. How's that working out for you? So same with our society right now, we can find the people that we think, think just like us or against the same people that were against that they're outraged by the same things we are outraged by it's that whole gossipy thing that has taken over.<br />We're losing track of our connections because we're so angry and so heated by this gossip thing that has spread that we're not able to communicate anymore.<br /> Let's go back and visit the word crazy and the word stupid. These labels, these words will shut it all down. In the United States, when we went to Iraq, we were fighting the "terrorists". I'm using air quotes. The reason. It felt like , the rhetoric that I was hearing, the words that I was hearing in the media, I was constantly hearing crazy, <br />[00:27:30] Matt: right.<br />[00:27:31] Fawn: The word crazy. And especially, dealing with certain family members that are so opposite politically than us. Their justification for harming this other group was they're crazy. They're crazy. They need to be taken out. They're crazy. We tend to label human beings as crazy when things get uncomfortable, when we don't want to be in their shoes when we don't want to hear their stories.<br />So we label them as crazy. It's like looking at a baby who is crying for something and we're like, well, that baby is crazy. What no. That baby is needing something, is trying to communicate to you. And the longer that you ignore this baby, the louder, the screams will get. Well, that's humanity. You can't label them as crazy.<br />You have to understand why they're doing things that they're doing. They are human beings. And I'm not trying to say that I'm justifying horrible things like killing each other. I'm not doing that. Please understand. What I'm trying to say is it's a desperate reaction. It is a desperate end to something that has gone for many years, many decades, many centuries that have gone unheard, they've gone ignored.<br />the only way out, in my opinion, the only way out of this mess, is to listen and to understand. We need to relate to the point of view of an opposition. You know, the crazy and the stupid, they must be stupid. Don't get how stupid they are. No, believe me, there are many people out there. I've looking at the TV, shaking my head, saying the same thing.<br />Like these people are ignorant. At the same time. I do realize there's a road that led them to this behavior, to these words that they're using. And I need to understand that<br />because through this chain of gossip, it is their frustrations,<br />all of our frustrations that has led to all the fights and the fragmented society that we have right now. I don't think changing politics is going to help. I do not think that getting rid of social media will help. I think what helps is<br />realizing how to tell a story and realizing how to listen to someone's story and get back to that connection. I think that is key. And that's why we're doing what we're doing. That is why I am here with you every week, trying to get back the art of friendship.<br />[00:30:16] Matt: Wow. That was a lot of stuff. I had to be quiet for a really long <br />time.<br />[00:30:20] Fawn: It wasn't a lot of stuff. 37 minutes worth it's because I maybe pontificated on extra things to make my point clear, but it's really not <br />[00:30:29] Matt: about no, and I, I get it. I get it. It's just, there's so much to circle back to unfortunately, or unfortunately, see, I would say.<br />Moving away from friendship for just a second, moving towards society, societies, typically successful society, you know, going all the way back to Babel, which actually was a real thing and a real tower and a real everything. And the story and the Bible does have historical facts behind it. There is a city I want to say it's Babylon, <br />[00:30:58] Fawn: but I'm not sure.<br />No, it was like, it starts with an S H S H I N a R. Shinar. <br />[00:31:04] Matt: Anyways. I remember looking at this city, actually in a God, one of the millions of books in my parents' house, anyways, there was a tower and the legend says that they were building a tower that was going to reach heaven and God was like, no, we're not going to have <br />this.<br />[00:31:22] Fawn: Yeah. I think that's man's perspective saying, God will say that God wouldn't say that, but I think they were trying to, they were achieving perfection. And that might be we're achieving a utopia that <br />[00:31:33] Matt: might be don't know, but so God took and scattered them to all corners of the globe and gave them 75 kajillion languages Merry Christmas.<br />[00:31:43] Fawn: Is that what the Bible said? <br />[00:31:44] Matt: Yeah. <br />[00:31:46] Fawn: So the way I understood it was, they all had the same language, but they were splintered it all. So, yeah, I think it's man, that, that says God's splintered at all. I think the people splintered it all, <br />[00:31:59] Matt: well, again, sometimes the Bible, you know, if you choose to read it, not as absolute fact, you view it as this is stuff that happened, but maybe not in this way, <br />[00:32:12] Fawn: we are God's<br />[00:32:14] Matt: again.<br />Who knows. Um, but anyways, what we're looking at is, societies typically have, God, what is it? And it's hectic to say, but they typically have shared blood. They've spilled blood for the same things. They have shared gods, which is very tricky in today's society. And they have shared enemies.<br />[00:32:36] Fawn: Right. And it's that shared enemy that unites them. <br />[00:32:39] Matt: Exactly. But if, if you take a look historically way back when I'm part Scandinavian, part German, that gives me the Viking heritage. But, you know, at one of the shared stories that the Vikings had, they had a lot of them was about their God of war and justice and the God of war and justice, Norse gods are messed up.<br />But anyways, he didn't have an arm. Well, what happened? Well, he put his arm into the mouth of a Wolf because they want her to put a leash on him. And that was the only way that he could get them to trust him. And so he bit, and he lied to him and he bit off his arms, but in the process, <br />[00:33:13] Fawn: yes.<br />Could the mouth of the Wolf be gossip, <br />[00:33:16] Matt: anything could be anything. Right. But what's key here is that if you were raised on this story, on this folklore, Then you knew that you need to sacrifice whatever it took for the good of your tribe. And as a shared story, as a shared ideal, as a shared everything, all of a sudden your society started banding around this stuff.<br />And what we see now is we're unwilling. Everybody has their own point of view, which is great and is proper and is a million other things, but sometimes. Somebody jumps into an argument in the middle of all their assumptions. Can <br />[00:33:55] Fawn: I interrupt for a second? I understand that you saw, you brought up the word sacrifice.<br />That's true because<br />Norse <br />[00:34:02] Matt: we're big on sacrifice. <br />[00:34:04] Fawn: Well, yeah, I mean to achieve, a bond, like to keep that bond stable, you have to sacrifice, but when you reach a point where you're so stretched thin, you have nothing to sacrifice anymore. And I think that's the problem because we don't have that capacity anymore. <br />[00:34:23] Matt: Right. I get it.<br />I totally get it. We need to, <br />[00:34:27] Fawn: we need to recharge. <br />[00:34:28] Matt: Yes, exactly. I was about to say, we need to figure out how we can enter into a world of compromise into a world of trying to understand. <br />[00:34:37] Fawn: So listen, this is what I'm saying when you are heard. Have you ever been so distraught and so angry or distraught?<br />Let's just say so emotional. And then someone shows you kindness in a split second you're recharged. <br />[00:34:54] Matt: Yeah, absolutely. I've I've had one or three of those moments and they came at very pivotal times for me. That was very good for me. Absolutely. I've been there.<br />[00:35:02] Fawn: So <br />you see there's hope <br />[00:35:04] Matt: absolutely. <br />[00:35:05] Fawn: In a split second, guys.<br />Things can change for the best, but I'm sorry. I interrupted you. Figure out we're talking about sacrificing. I <br />[00:35:14] Matt: was, but I was talking about how societies coalesce around certain ideals and certain things. And that happens both on the societal level and on the one-to-one level where people actually communicate with each other, they share their hopes, their fears, their dreams.<br />And even if the other person doesn't share it, they at least listen and they try and understand and understanding comes over time and comes perhaps even over repetition. That's part of friendship and that's why it's important. And I've always had friends who were different than me.<br />Um, and I dunno if that's just because I'm so flipping different, it's hard to find someone who is like me or, or what that story really looks like or I'm, or I gravitate towards people who are different than me, but I really like having my challenges, having my beliefs challenged, my challenges believed no, my beliefs <br />challenged.<br />[00:36:04] Fawn: Yeah. Your challenges believed right. <br />[00:36:07] Matt: Well, that's true <br />sometimes, but, um, yeah, it's just, I think<br />it's like it's funny after speaking with the fam whose beliefs are very different, it made me focus back in, on of all people, Walter Cronkite. We don't have a Walter Cronkite. <br />[00:36:27] Fawn: Well, I mean, <br />[00:36:28] Matt: he kind of this and he was, he was a newscaster and he was like the newscaster, he was CBS newscaster. And when he said that the war in Vietnam was not winnable.<br />Boom, all of a sudden it was about how the heck do we get out of Vietnam? It wasn't about more investment or any of the rest of it. It was how the act, how the H do we get out?. <br />[00:36:50] Fawn: Well, here's a person that was respected. He had authority. He was an elder in the community. But now, because no one is heard everyone is speaking and it's not the logical speaking.<br />It's purely emotional. And you have so many, so many, ah, so many tweets and I'm going to use the word tweet, but I'm, I'm talking about there's so many versions of something and we're purposely being flooded with gossip that is not true at all so that we can't communicate anymore so that we can't bond anymore, that we can't understand or hear each other anymore because there's too much.<br />And most of it is just garbage. <br />[00:37:40] Matt: And there is a lot of it. Do you know? I found out he was like the first newscaster, who actually got a whole half an hour to talk about the news on TV. Cause before that it was only 15 minutes. That's on the news. In the course of <br />[00:37:56] Fawn: a broadcast 15 minutes a day, every day.<br />Well, <br />[00:38:00] Matt: I'm sure there was probably some something in the Mo um, I think there was something in the morning and then something in the evening. <br />[00:38:05] Fawn: Sure. There was local news and the <br />weather,<br />[00:38:07] Matt: but you also got your news from the newspaper and you know, you got it from a authoritative <br />sources <br />[00:38:15] Fawn: and now it's 24 hours a day, but <br />[00:38:17] Matt: it's also it's it's information from random.<br />non- accredited sources. So it's a tricky thingto distil truth <br />[00:38:26] Fawn: it's basically, gossip, it's taking a heated, heated idea and yelling about it and creating a mob mentality around it because you keep spreading it, retweeting it, sharing it over and over and over again. And even if it's written down word for word in a tweet, the symbolism, the vibe of it, the emotion of it<br />will completely change the meaning or the meaning maybe originally was intended for not so good purposes, but it will spread like lighting a match to a very dry field of tumbleweed. <br />[00:39:03] Matt: Right? Absolutely because you know, let's not forget that Twitter, Facebook. All these kinds of technological organizations that they're there to make money.<br />They're not there to share truth. They're not there to build community. They're there to make money. And so they're going to go down whatever path moral or immoral that will generate the most revenue. And sometimes it's even the most revenue on a quarter by quarter basis. Things get real scary there too, because it's all about, we only care about the next three months. We're not trying to build something wonderful where they're making money. <br />[00:39:40] Fawn: And it's like really Twitter, Facebook, all that stuff was initially started by one group on the far right and one group on the far left. And was it like 9% of the population on each side basically started these conversations, their ideas.<br />It was by wealthy white people, all the tweets and all the Facebook stuff. And now it's dispersed to everybody yelling, but the conversation, the rumor, the gossiping was initiated by a really suspect group, if you asked my opinion that have nothing to do with the majority of people that are living in our society.<br />[00:40:21] Matt: Right. And there's a whole thought behind how that happens and yeah. Like, yeah, I can, I can, yeah. I can tell a story. Margaret Atwood writer of the Handmaid's Tale should be an unimpeachable resource. She was a second wave feminist, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. She tweeted, wrote a letter, wrote a, did a something.<br />Random person was accused "Me Too" stuff. And she said he deserves to have an inquiry and they deserve to come to the truth. Whatever that truth is, FLAMBEED by saying, we need to go through a process and figure out if this guy is actually guilty. FLAMBEED... said she was, she wasn't a real feminist. She's not a post something, something from.<br />Jesper saying dude should <br />to be tried, <br />[00:41:13] Fawn: like I said, like how you always say emotion trumps logic. <br />[00:41:18] Matt: Hello. Right. And in this case, it's, it's about, if you question your own sides, beliefs as a moderate, the radicals will FLAMBE you. And that's what we're looking at. We're looking at a definite pull away from things in the middle.<br />[00:41:36] Fawn: So they know the correct thing is to look at someone with completely different views than yours. And that's the key to uniting our society. They know that, but then you're not allowed to do that. <br />[00:41:50] Matt: Well, I'm <br />going to give something up. If I, you know, to get to the middle, typically you have to sacrifice something, but the other person needs to sacrifice something.<br />[00:42:00] Fawn: And they don't and really nobody has any means to sacrifice anything anymore because <br />[00:42:04] Matt: everybody's so exhausted. <br />[00:42:07] Fawn: So once again, if we get back to friendship in a split second, you will be regenerated, but you have to come to the very basic, basic point of having very limited outsourcing of things around your life.<br />Just come to the basic point of having a human to human connection without any other influences. <br />[00:42:30] Matt: I can't argue with that. You know, I think it's, it's definitely important to speak with those people that you don't necessarily agree with to try and understand, to try and undersatnd. And, and to try and find common ground, I've found common ground with people that I, I don't know.<br />I have literally, aside from the fact that we both program nothing in common with, <br />[00:42:54] Fawn: and here's the thing, Matt, we can't have the story be about politics that we can't have the story be about the story that we're all fighting about. It has to be a story that goes to the basic basic values. The story of what you ate.<br />The story of how you felt today, going into a situation today, the story of, oh my goodness, I am not fit to handle a jury trial, but these other people thank goodness think so differently from me that they're able to do that. But sharing the stories; we're not talking about politics, <br /> we're talking about the basic core human emotions, <br />[00:43:35] Matt: right? We're talking about the things that unite us as people, not the things that divide us as, I don't know, thinking, I don't know, rational, blah, blah, blah. <br />[00:43:44] Fawn: How you love, who you love? What are you good at? What is your hobby?<br />How do you see the world leave politics out of it, but how do you see, what did you see today? I saw this craziest looking squirrel today. Crazy.<br />I saw the weirdest looking squirrel today. Pointy ears. It looked like he had gone to the beauty parlor and put red highlights on his head or hers.<br />[00:44:16] Matt: I'm not sure what else I have to share.<br />[00:44:18] Fawn: ' cause we keep an open mind because we came to the conclusion. Really. There is a way out of this. There is a way to have a better life, to have a beautiful society. And it's not as hard as you think. You don't have to figure out how to move mountains. You just have to sit in simplicity. It's really, as simple as that, just look at someone and allow them to share their story because trust me, no one wants to keep talking about politics after awhile <br />[00:44:53] Matt: and share your stories.<br />[00:44:56] Fawn: Yeah, you have to be vulnerable. And so this is different than sacrifice because you're not really sacrificing, but you are being vulnerable. And who cares, what other people think, right. You're afraid to share your story because you're afraid of how people talk about you, which leads us back to this concept and this whole mess we're in.<br />Well, if you don't care about it, if you don't care what someone thinks of you, because really it's like, okay, well, I'll go back to the dating metaphor. If you're ready to have children, and you're still single, and you're looking for someone to partner with that also wants children. You know, they tell you never talking about that on, on the first date.<br />I kind of disagree. I mean, yeah, you should get to know the person first, but yeah, you don't want to waste time and you lay it all out there. This is what I am. This is who I am. This is what I would like. This is my focus in life. And if that turns them off, well, thank you. Let's let's get rid of that.<br />Like immediately. <br />[00:45:59] Matt: What does it <br />fail quickly <br />[00:46:01] Fawn: fail quickly, move on because you will find your true goodness. You will find what you're looking for faster. You don't have to waste three months or six months or 10 years being honest and being vulnerable is a win a winning situation and being honest and being vulnerable and sharing your story,<br />it's a win for society. That's what we're about. Thank you so much for listening to us. We love you so much. We ask you to please contact us, go to our friendly world podcast.com. Reach out to us. We will reach, reach you, and we want to connect with you. We want to talk to you and discuss ideas with you, please.<br /> There's a free gift waiting for you. Please go to our website, our friendly world podcast.com share, be a part of our family. And again, thank you so much. We love you. We'll talk to you in just a few days, and we're here for you in the days between just reach out to us. Love you be well. Bye bye. Bye.</p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Sharing stories is the key to bonding. We explain the difference between sharing and telling a story. Then we get to the bad sharing which is another kind of storytelling/sharing (gossip) that destroys our bond, and we use Twitter as an example of how our society has lost the ability to connect. In this episode, we have a solution to bring us back together again.  There is a way out of this. There is a way to have a better life, to have a beautiful society. And it's not as hard as you think. You don't have to figure out how to move mountains. You just have to sit in simplicity
 
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The Gossipy Friend[00:00:00] Fawn: Yay for us. Hi everybody. Yay for us, meaning all of us together listening right now. Hi everyone. Guess what? I was partaking in a very boring conversation yesterday [00:00:15] Matt: was [00:00:15] Fawn: that with me? You were there, but you were not the reason for the boredom, but you were. I think we were all contributing to the boredom because neither side wanted to talk about anything.Because one side lives and believes radically different than ours. All this [00:00:32] Matt: would be yes, yes. The call [00:00:34] Fawn: with family[00:00:35] Matt: family. [00:00:36] Fawn: So as the conversation was being had on speakerphone and the whole family's at the table, I must admit that I was zoning out ( Matt exclaims sarcastically) and we are surrounded by boxes in our kitchen, at the moment, there was one box that was in front of me and it had in big, big letters "BELONG", like belong B E L O N G. And I started to play like, oh, what other words can I make out of belong? And so I realized with belong, you can create "ONE GLOBE". We all belong to one globe. So I was tripping out on that, the whole conversation; one global. Am I the only one tripping out on that?Isn't that great?!?! Anyway, [00:01:20] Matt: you know, actually, nevermind. [00:01:21] Fawn: No, go ahead. [00:01:22] Matt: Well, I wrote a computer program because that's what I do. And I programmed peoples, I programmed all of the house names of the house into it. And as it turns out, if I scramble up the letters in ALLEGRA, it actually spells like a genus of birds or something random.I mean, it's weird. Yeah, nobody else's full names came out to anything, but,[00:01:43] Fawn: but collectively our names come to "FAME". [00:01:46] Matt: Well, that's the first letter of each [00:01:48] Fawn: that's as complex as I can get.[00:01:50] Matt: I understand. Oh my God. I should get all the letters together. Scramble them up. [00:01:56] Fawn: Okay. Stop. So we digress. We have digressed even before we have started, we have a really good show today.Oh, well, you know, show we have a really important topic we want to talk about. We're really eager to get into. So I'm going to start. And then Matt, you come in. Okay. Matt is covering his mouth cause I told them don't you interrupt me? Let me, let me get my thoughts out first because I am the Chewbacca. I can't play games with people. If you interrupt me, or if you disagree with me or if you win, I get really mad, I, I can't function after that in a normal way.Matt is looking away. All right. So here we go. Initially, we were going to talk about the, what did we call it initially? The title we were going to use[00:02:47] Matt: "The Disagreeable Friend" , [00:02:48] Fawn: "The Disagreeable Friend" , and as we were delving into it, I realized, oh my goodness, this goes back to what we learned some years ago that, people get labeled as crazy or stupid.Right? When you are no longer able to understand someone's...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[The Ikigai of Friendship - Moving to Everyday Meaning and Joy in Life]]>
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                <pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2022 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
                <dc:creator>Fawn Anderson</dc:creator>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>Let's look at the word, the concept, and the root of Ikigai, which is about giving everyday meaning and joy. Let's look at the Ikigai. The word Ikigai comes from <em>Iki</em> meaning, life and <em>gai,</em> meaning, value.</p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Ikigai can be interpreted as the values in your life that make it worth living. We're going to talk about how that relates to work, in the corporate world, in the business world, and most importantly, how that works in our lives; with our friendships with our families, with the joy in life. This episode is about Ikigai, joy, happiness, life purpose, how we see the world, Who and What we love, how we make a difference, where we excel, passion, values, possibilities, gifts, the value in life, the art of finding true friendship, the art of friendship, and moving towards a meaningful life.</span></span></p>
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Ikigai can be interpreted as the values in your life that make it worth living. We're going to talk about how that relates to work, in the corporate world, in the business world, and most importantly, how that works in our lives; with our friendships with our families, with the joy in life. This episode is about Ikigai, joy, happiness, life purpose, how we see the world, Who and What we love, how we make a difference, where we excel, passion, values, possibilities, gifts, the value in life, the art of finding true friendship, the art of friendship, and moving towards a meaningful life.
 
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Ikigai can be interpreted as the values in your life that make it worth living. We're going to talk about how that relates to work, in the corporate world, in the business world, and most importantly, how that works in our lives; with our friendships with our families, with the joy in life. This episode is about Ikigai, joy, happiness, life purpose, how we see the world, Who and What we love, how we make a difference, where we excel, passion, values, possibilities, gifts, the value in life, the art of finding true friendship, the art of friendship, and moving towards a meaningful life.</span></span></p>
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Ikigai can be interpreted as the values in your life that make it worth living. We're going to talk about how that relates to work, in the corporate world, in the business world, and most importantly, how that works in our lives; with our friendships with our families, with the joy in life. This episode is about Ikigai, joy, happiness, life purpose, how we see the world, Who and What we love, how we make a difference, where we excel, passion, values, possibilities, gifts, the value in life, the art of finding true friendship, the art of friendship, and moving towards a meaningful life.
 
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>Ceremony, what does it really mean? What is it? What is a daily ceremony? It's an intentional routine that's connected with how you start, how you move through, or how you end your day, the goal of ceremony is to be aware of time passing, but not to stress out about it;to observe it and notice that it counts. The little things in life, count.</p>
<p>Why do we have ceremony? They make life's, essential moments. They may reflect our beliefs, hopes, our traditions, culture, and spirituality. It's a way to bring people together and provide a sense of belonging. A ritual is defined by psychologists as a predefined sequence of symbolic actions.</p>
<p>Rituals make us less anxious. Ritualistic practices can help to bring a degree of predictability to an uncertain future. They convince our brains of constancy. It brings about a sense of predictability.</p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>The Art of Ceremony</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hi, welcome back. We've got a good one for you today. Folks. We've got a great one for you today. Folks. Welcome back everybody to our friendly world. Today we're talking ceremony and I have a whole thing I'm going to go through and Matt's probably going to get mad at me because that's what he does. He has his notes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I guarantee you I've become divergent. So I'm going to start first. And then Matt, you're just going to have to like flow with it. Here we go. The art of ceremony, ceremony as a work of art, I'm here to comfort you. We're here to comfort you, the opposite of people saying; I'm going to challenge you to something.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So today I'm going to comfort you with something it's the opposite of, I'm going to challenge you to do something because we all have enough that we're challenged by. Thank you very much. We're challenged enough, taxed enough, overworked, overtired, overdone, We need comfort. There's so much out there</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">that could seem so out of control. Like you have the feeling the sense that there's no rhyme or reason to anything that the world is crazy, if you look at it through the news, or if you listen to certain people. Life can seem out of control, like there's no sense to anything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">For us, we just went through a ceremony of the end of life ceremony. Matt's mother passed away. And so I'm looking at Matt's dad and I got an email from your brother, basically saying, you know, this is what dad's been going through. Over the years he's felt a sense of losing control.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">He gave me a whole list of things that your dad has lost control of. in life, with his body, with just everything in life and that's his perception, right? We all can look at life and we can see things differently depending on how we look at it. What is our thought form? What is our belief system?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Our belief systems can create a whole other life from one incident to another. So today we're talking about the art of ceremony and how ritual, ceremony, all of that can really help us with friendship, with feeling connected with turning our lives around and creating the life that we really want.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So I looked at the etymology of first ceremony, and then it led me through all these other words and all these oth...</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Ceremony, what does it really mean? What is it? What is a daily ceremony? It's an intentional routine that's connected with how you start, how you move through, or how you end your day, the goal of ceremony is to be aware of time passing, but not to stress out about it;to observe it and notice that it counts. The little things in life, count.
Why do we have ceremony? They make life's, essential moments. They may reflect our beliefs, hopes, our traditions, culture, and spirituality. It's a way to bring people together and provide a sense of belonging. A ritual is defined by psychologists as a predefined sequence of symbolic actions.
Rituals make us less anxious. Ritualistic practices can help to bring a degree of predictability to an uncertain future. They convince our brains of constancy. It brings about a sense of predictability.
 
 
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The Art of Ceremony
[00:00:00] Fawn: Hi, welcome back. We've got a good one for you today. Folks. We've got a great one for you today. Folks. Welcome back everybody to our friendly world. Today we're talking ceremony and I have a whole thing I'm going to go through and Matt's probably going to get mad at me because that's what he does. He has his notes.
I guarantee you I've become divergent. So I'm going to start first. And then Matt, you're just going to have to like flow with it. Here we go. The art of ceremony, ceremony as a work of art, I'm here to comfort you. We're here to comfort you, the opposite of people saying; I'm going to challenge you to something.
So today I'm going to comfort you with something it's the opposite of, I'm going to challenge you to do something because we all have enough that we're challenged by. Thank you very much. We're challenged enough, taxed enough, overworked, overtired, overdone, We need comfort. There's so much out there
that could seem so out of control. Like you have the feeling the sense that there's no rhyme or reason to anything that the world is crazy, if you look at it through the news, or if you listen to certain people. Life can seem out of control, like there's no sense to anything.
 For us, we just went through a ceremony of the end of life ceremony. Matt's mother passed away. And so I'm looking at Matt's dad and I got an email from your brother, basically saying, you know, this is what dad's been going through. Over the years he's felt a sense of losing control.
 He gave me a whole list of things that your dad has lost control of. in life, with his body, with just everything in life and that's his perception, right? We all can look at life and we can see things differently depending on how we look at it. What is our thought form? What is our belief system?
Our belief systems can create a whole other life from one incident to another. So today we're talking about the art of ceremony and how ritual, ceremony, all of that can really help us with friendship, with feeling connected with turning our lives around and creating the life that we really want.
So I looked at the etymology of first ceremony, and then it led me through all these other words and all these oth...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>Ceremony, what does it really mean? What is it? What is a daily ceremony? It's an intentional routine that's connected with how you start, how you move through, or how you end your day, the goal of ceremony is to be aware of time passing, but not to stress out about it;to observe it and notice that it counts. The little things in life, count.</p>
<p>Why do we have ceremony? They make life's, essential moments. They may reflect our beliefs, hopes, our traditions, culture, and spirituality. It's a way to bring people together and provide a sense of belonging. A ritual is defined by psychologists as a predefined sequence of symbolic actions.</p>
<p>Rituals make us less anxious. Ritualistic practices can help to bring a degree of predictability to an uncertain future. They convince our brains of constancy. It brings about a sense of predictability.</p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>The Art of Ceremony</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hi, welcome back. We've got a good one for you today. Folks. We've got a great one for you today. Folks. Welcome back everybody to our friendly world. Today we're talking ceremony and I have a whole thing I'm going to go through and Matt's probably going to get mad at me because that's what he does. He has his notes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I guarantee you I've become divergent. So I'm going to start first. And then Matt, you're just going to have to like flow with it. Here we go. The art of ceremony, ceremony as a work of art, I'm here to comfort you. We're here to comfort you, the opposite of people saying; I'm going to challenge you to something.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So today I'm going to comfort you with something it's the opposite of, I'm going to challenge you to do something because we all have enough that we're challenged by. Thank you very much. We're challenged enough, taxed enough, overworked, overtired, overdone, We need comfort. There's so much out there</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">that could seem so out of control. Like you have the feeling the sense that there's no rhyme or reason to anything that the world is crazy, if you look at it through the news, or if you listen to certain people. Life can seem out of control, like there's no sense to anything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">For us, we just went through a ceremony of the end of life ceremony. Matt's mother passed away. And so I'm looking at Matt's dad and I got an email from your brother, basically saying, you know, this is what dad's been going through. Over the years he's felt a sense of losing control.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">He gave me a whole list of things that your dad has lost control of. in life, with his body, with just everything in life and that's his perception, right? We all can look at life and we can see things differently depending on how we look at it. What is our thought form? What is our belief system?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Our belief systems can create a whole other life from one incident to another. So today we're talking about the art of ceremony and how ritual, ceremony, all of that can really help us with friendship, with feeling connected with turning our lives around and creating the life that we really want.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So I looked at the etymology of first ceremony, and then it led me through all these other words and all these other roots. And it's really interesting. So bear with me. I'm going to start with some explanations of what these words are and when you really look at the meaning of something so simple, like one word, bringing something down to one thing, simplifying it to one tiny aspect will actually give you some great Epiphanes will bring you some clarity</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">to some big questions in life. So looking at the word ceremony first, I looked at ceremonial and I'm like, really like, w it doesn't really explain it. It just says belonging to( in a religious way), ritual. Ceremonial practice. Ceremonial means connected with. Constituting or consisting of, or fit for a ceremony. Let's look at the ceremony. Ceremony comes from, late 14th century. It's a religious observance, a solemn, rite, from old French and directly from Medieval Latin, it means holiness, sacredness, awe, reverand, like a sacred ceremony.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Ceremonious, the adjective form, circa 1550s relating to outward forms or rites also of persons. Punctilious in matters of formality. Oh my goodness. Punctilious until they asked me, I have no idea. Okay. Punctilious means showing great attention to detail or correct behavior.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So ceremony is relating to outward forms of, or rites also persons punctilious in matters of formality, full of show and ceremony. Okay. Let's figure out what ritual actually means. Ritual adjective form 1560s pertaining to, or consisting of a rite from French or directly from Latin ritualus I'm not sure how to pronounce, uh, it's relating to in religious aspects , relating to like religious rites, religious observance or ceremony, custom usage. Ritual the noun came in in the 1640s. It's , defined as a prescribed manner of performing religious worship. From the 1650s, really basically a book containing the rites or ordinances of a church, also the external forms of religious or other devotional exercises often in that sense of like, um, just like a mere ritual, like forgetful of meaning. Right. It's just, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:43]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> uh, yeah, I came across that too, for sure. And it's interesting that all of these definitions all revolve around kind of Europe and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:51]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> religion. We're looking at the etymology, which comes from the European, the Latin, the French.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:58]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> But if you, if you take a look at, you know, the power of the church really had during that time and who had the time to create ritual and ceremony back then because the peasant was busy taking care of feeding himself</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:12]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> with, it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">gets me to our topic today because we're going to get into that aspect because I don't want to get into the religious aspect.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I want to get into the peasant cause we were all peasants. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And again, the other thing that brings it up is, you know, I remember I've read in books where like, religion is kind of the only God, God help us, but entertainment that people had back in say the middle ages, So church was something bigger than a worshiping God, which of course is huge, but it was also, bringing together of community inside of social conventions and social norms.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And they're also kind of emphasizes the church has power over like removing pagan traditions. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:59]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Absolutely. It was all about control. It's about controlling the masses. It's about kind of like, um, yeah, just. Making sure that you have authority over the mass consciousness, right? To bring about that sense of belonging and connection in that you behave a certain way, but we're going to get away from all that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We're going to talk about really how ritual can improve your emotional and everything kind of wellbeing in life. Specifically with friendship, but let me just get back to the other meanings of rite. R I T E early 14th century, it's a formal act or procedure of religious observance performed according to an established manner from Latin ritus.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">R I T U S is it's a, it's a custom usage especially a religious observance or ceremony source also have Spanish, Italian, R I T O Rito, which perhaps is from the PI root R E, which means like when you have the root R E it , designates like the meaning to reason, count, count on the notion of. To count to observe carefully.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that's, that's where the true, beautiful sensation of the meaning of ceremony and ritual that we're going to talk about today comes from, because it's all about carefully observing; something you and I talk about all the time, pay attention to trifles, right? Which in martial arts, you were taught like pay attention to the little detail, the little details that people will ignore.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know, the magic in life. What are you glancing over that's there trying to give you a message. So then we get into the whole term Rite of passage, which came about in 1909, that term Rite of passage, which is the marking the end of one phase, and the start of another in an individual life. It's translated from French and it's coined by a French anthropologist Arnold Van Gennep. I don't know how to pronounce his last name, please forgive me. But if we look at the root R E the root R E it comes from the Proto-Indo-European root meaning, which means to reason, count. It's a variant of PIE root AR I know this sounds like absurd to get into the such details of it, but like it's, it's, it's really profound.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Check it out. So "AR" means to fit together. And then we get into Sanskrit Sanskrit, R A D H "RADH". And that means to succeed, accomplish. You get into Greek "arithmos" number amount, the Latin R E R I to consider confirm you get into old church Slavonic. "raddit" R a D D I T to take thoughts, attend to. You going into old Irish, "im-radim" to deliberate, consider; Old English</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">oh, what's the sound when the a and the e go together. It's R a E D The A and the E go together. What's that sound?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:47]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> see to me like the word Gaelic, G a E L I C is Gaelic. So I would go with an a </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but Raden radon. Yes. Okay. So all English, um, R a E D a N means to advise, counsel, persuade, read; Old English, Old High German.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">R I M means number. Irish R I M rim means number and then this word came up as I was looking it up and I tried to look it up further and I got nowhere, but this is really interesting. So it said Old Irish, R I M means number. And then this word "Dorimu" D O R I M U means "I Count". I count.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that really struck me because, you know, again, going back to a person who's not taken seriously, a person that's ignored a flower, that's ignored, a situation that's ignored, a little sign in the universe that goes unnoticed. And for this to come up, I count, you know, that's what ceremony is to me. Water, using water, drinking water,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">being able to splash some water on your face in the morning. That is a ritual. That is a ceremony.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So going back to ceremony again, what does it really mean? What is it? What is a daily ceremony? It's an intentional routine that's connected with how you start, how you move through or how you end your day, the goal of ceremony is to be aware of time passing, but not to stress out about it;</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">to observe it and notice that it counts. The little things in life, they count. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Why do we have ceremony? They make life's, essential moments. They may reflect our beliefs, our hopes, our traditions, culture, spirituality. It's a way to bring people together and provide a sense of belonging. A ritual is defined by psychologists as a predefined sequence of symbolic actions.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Rituals make us less anxious.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Ritualistic practices can help to bring a degree of predictability to an uncertain future. They convince our brains of constancy consistency is constancy or word constancy. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:20]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I don't think so. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:22]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You know, it makes your brain calm down. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I completely get it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It brings about a sense of predictability.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">When you can't predict anything,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:31]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> it tricks your brain into going with a certain rhythm. That's what it does. And there are all these studies that show that, like, for example, singing of a song before any high pressure situation lowers your heart rate and anxiety levels, you know, they put groups, people into two different groups and.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">they ask them to do really stressful things like public speaking, but like doing a huge speech in front of a very big crowd. And they did this thing where they had one group do some sort of ritual and they had them go through that ritual. And then the other group, they were just asked to sit quietly before they went up.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so they measured everything. They measured their heart rates, everything. And the ones that went through a ritual had absolutely lowered, heart rate. They had lowered physiology do Francis physiological. They had lowered physiological anxiety.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Rituals create some semblance of order to regain control. That's why I think so many people turn to religion because when life seems so absurd and you feel like you're not in sync with anything, it's a way to, it's kind of like getting into a groove somehow, but that's where we have to be careful because there are groups out there like cults and all these, like, I think of hazing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right in college. Why do people join groups? Because they want a sense of belonging, right? When you feel out of control, when you feel like you don't fit in anywhere, you tend to join groups and look at the world today, look at how we don't even want, we don't even know what truth is because when people go through hard times, they migrate towards a group that they could feel</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">they belong to because they feel seen and they feel heard and that's a ritual. Like they become part of a ritual and that ritual could be good or bad. It could be like promoting hate and it, that ritual could be creating a beautiful ceremonial way to honor life, all life. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:42]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, yeah. I have to say that, from an evolutionary view point, it certainly makes sense to get together under, you know, way back in the day to get together around a communal fire, to tell communal stories to then have rituals like in Finland,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">there's a whole ritual where they light these huge bonfires because of course bonfires keep the evil spirits away. You know, is it truth? Is it not truth? There are societies out there where, a mystical figure will, you know, you call on them to bring rain. And all these things, all these situations that may be, feel like things are out of your control will all of a sudden, you're, you're coming together as a community behind this figure,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and we're going to have rain. We're gonna, we're going to keep the evil spirits away and all the rest of it. I totally understand the whole focus of ceremony and the comfort that it brings because, we do say, we're stronger together and that's absolutely true and that's,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">comes from an evolutionary viewpoint because you're less likely to be victimized if you're in a large group by outsiders. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So now let's get into the rituals and the ceremonies of our daily lives, and the art of ceremony. How can we do that? One is going back to the little thing I read. I count, you know, your life is a ceremony.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Your life is a ritual. Going back to, I count, it's to really recognize what you do on a daily basis and looking at it and thinking, is this a beautiful ceremony or is it something that I can just disregard and get rid of? Is it really. Is it really helping me </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> or </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">even is this something that I managed to do every day that I just do?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I just go through the motions of doing it because it's what I have to do, brush my teeth, et cetera, et cetera, first thing in the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">morning.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:36]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But if you do that with intention, it creates a better life. So </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> for example, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">intention and joy, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I think, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:43]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> well, or just intention, it doesn't even have to be joy if you can give it proper attention.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">For example, there's that study. That's done on maids that work in a hotel. I don't remember all the details, but they were told, Hey, have you noticed that the amount of movement that you do with your body, you know, changing the sheets, , bending over constantly all day, you're actually a more active than a professional athlete.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like on par with like an Olympic style training athlete. And once they were told that, and once they like put that focus on that thought, they noticed that these people working in the hospitality field that did the cleaning of the rooms and everything that their bodies started to change immediately.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They didn't change anything else, but they put the focus on well, yeah, I do move around a lot. , the inches around their waist shrunk. Like they lost weight. Do you know what I'm saying? They didn't change anything. They didn't change their diets or anything, but they just put that intention on.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Wow. I do move around a lot. So yeah, brushing your teeth and as you're brushing your teeth, knowing you have teeth, you're taking care of yourself. It provides a greater benefit, right? Again, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it's joy, you know, in, in saying that as a maid, you work out as much as a professional athletes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're like I do that. That makes you on some level, hopefully feel good. Hopefully you're not like, oh my God, I do. Um, so there's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">joy. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:22]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> There's it is the word joy. or is it? Pride or attention? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:27]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well see, see joy is not one of the seven sins, but pride is so we'll go with </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">joy. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I don't believe in these sins that some man put together probably in, in the, in the name of religion.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I think pride is a very necessary thing. I'm proud of my body. I am proud of the work that I do. So look, can we just forget that I'm going to reframe it? Yes, no, I don't think pride is a sin at all, but getting back to friendship. So we're going through all this. I'm trying to get back to the basics of the basis.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm trying to get to the base, the base of it, which is ceremony and really learning what it is, relearning, really looking at what the definition is, so that we can look around and see how we have ceremony, how we have ritual in our daily lives, so that we can have that ripple out into friendship, into all the relationships that we have.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Using ceremony to create better friendships to create better relationships, period. Do you know what I'm saying? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Absolutely. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:42]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And you know, once we get through brushing your teeth is a ritual, right? The way you get out of bed, the way you walk as a ceremony, like everyone has a different strut, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's it's a ritual. How you walk as ritual. How you dance the way you dance, why you dance is a ritual, the songs that you listen to that move you through the day that is ritual. Right? So we can go through that and then elevate it to, okay. How do you set up the life around you? I always talk about when you come into our home, you're smacked on the forehead gently</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">by these hearts that are floating from the ceiling. It's a way that we welcome you into our home. The way we offer you water or tea or lemonade, or in Matt's case, a certain IPO IPO. Oh my </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:39]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Lord. And definitely not an IPA either. Cause I'm not in India. Pale ale guy. I'm a Belgium, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:44]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> whatever the beer thing term is another acronym for you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">A libation it's ceremony. It's really. Right the way we meet each other, the way we greet each other is ritual. All that that we ignore is so important. It's the key to nurturing friendships. And before that, it's the key to inviting a friendship. So that's it. That's what I want to talk about from now on is the art of ceremony.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The art of ritual. It is a work of art. Your life is a work of art.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And again, I'm just telling you saying all these things that you're describing. You're bringing joy to yourself that then extends out. It's not pride. It's joy, it's happiness. It's, it's all the rest of it. What is wrong with the pride? There's nothing wrong with necessarily pride. It's just joy </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:37]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> sin. It is no, it's not.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Oh. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:40]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> From a Christian point of view, it's a sin. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:42]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">is ridiculous. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:44]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Besides. Anyways for me, ceremony revolves. It's like, there's different kind of facets for me on ceremony and ceremony brings belonging, obviously, cause communities come together. Uh, sometimes some, and this is where we get to sometimes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And sometimes it brings belonging. Cause some of your rituals and ceremonies are individual, obviously. Sometimes your ceremonies revolve around remembrance, remembering an event, remembering a person, remembering a place, remembering a time. Sometimes it's about a blessing. So your blessing, you're getting a blessing from, there's a, there's a ritual.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There's a ceremony in, um, I don't know where, oh my goodness. It's somewhere in Asia where a priest tattoos you. And as he's putting a tattoo up serious, full-time a hundred percent going to have his tattoo, the rest of my life, as he, as he puts it on you, he's chanting and praying over it. So again, blessings, blessings for good harvest, blessings for, fill in whatever blanks you want, for rain or for whatever.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then also ceremony revolves around, an understanding that you're ending a phase and beginning a new one. So it's that, that, that ceremony, but ceremonies in intent, original intent is to bring joy. over, over the cynical ages, we've turned it into oftentimes ceremony is kind of going through motions.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. That's very nice, Matt. Well done, but going back to the pride. So are you saying it's a sin when I tell our children, I'm proud of you?. It's a sin? That is ridiculous. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:27]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It's not a sin for you to say that you are proud of them. It's a sin for them to take pride in </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:33]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> that's bullshshshsh.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Let's not focus on, like, I please don't make me defend a to patriarchy B you know, Christian values through the ages.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Okay. I'm just saying,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:45]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> why did </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">you even bring it in? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:46]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Because it's fun. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> No, it's not fun. So anyway, we're just going to leave it here today with a thought of like, what is, what is ritual for you, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Revel in it, and relax and be joyful about that and be proud of the rituals that you have in your life by noticing them and honoring. And looking at what you can possibly get rid of that's not serving you. Let's get rid of that. And the ritual have an opposite ritual of something negative. Like if you're looking at yourself and going, look, you can look at yourself and go, wow. Hello? Hello. Hello. Let's switch it up. So that's, what I want is to not challenge you, but to comfort you in that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And we're going to continue on with the art of ceremony and we're going to build it. And we're going to create a beautiful friendship ceremony around the world. A total work of art that will transform our society. That's what we're here for. Do you have anything else? Did I totally derail you from what you wanted to talk about?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Totally derail </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:58]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> me. Absolutely not first. Absolutely not. Um, yeah. One other thing to understand, as far as ceremony and gathering is that the people that are seen and the people that are heard. Which again is a powerful force. Again, it's kind of a overwhelmingly repetitive. I think thing that happens in our podcasts is people feel the need to be seen in people feel the need to be heard and people feel </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">the need to belong.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And also there is a certain aspect that you can't see, you can't touch, but you can feel connected to that. True. You know, you can think about it in many different ways. Like having end of life ceremony; it's done so you can still have a connection to the person </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:38]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> the ritual is there to connect you with a person that has made a transition. You can look at it and so many different ways. It is. It is above all about connection, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Abs </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">absolutely. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I just like to take just one brief moment and describe one or two of the, uh, ceremonies that either I've done or I do. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:01]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Do tell what? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:02]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So when I graduated from high school, which is one of those, I guess, rites of passage for me, it's like literally that type of ceremony, the Rite of passage ceremony involves kind of a first phase a middle phase and an end phase.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And the first phase is really takes us into the ceremonial remembrance. And so I remember everything that transpired. Inside of like my quote unquote normal education, my kindergarten elementary school, junior high school and high school. And there's a sadness there because that time has ended. And then there's the actual kind of exuberance of the party because we had a little, you know, even just going to your high school graduation, it's an uplifting moment</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">surrounded by all your classmates, et cetera, et cetera. And then the next phase is really looking forward. But what was interesting for me and thank goodness my parents were mellow, was that my cake, first of all, I wanted it as dark as possible. And I wanted it just to read, which is gruesome now that I think about it was like rip Matt, which was just like, say goodbye to that aspect of who you were on some level, because you're about to enter into the next phase.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:22]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hold on for, so we have so many of our friends that are not from the United States and non English speaking. So rip means rest in peace. It's what they put on tombstones when people </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">die. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Over and over again, when you hear somebody dies rest in peace. Yes. So anyways, so that's an example of a ceremony that happened God, when I was 17.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then a more kind of recent ceremony is, something I've discovered that I do, and it's every morning before I start work and I work at home. When I, when I put on my headphones, Quite nice and a little, they were a little spendy. I take a moment just to look at them and go, oh, and then I put them over my ears and I pick something music.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's going to move me that day. And I'm very deliberate. It's always something new and it's always something I start from. It's not like a start in the middle of anything. And for me it's never a podcast or anything. It's very much a piece of music that I know is going to move me and really that sets the tone for my work day.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So that's, again, an example of a, of that's a much more personal ceremony, but that is one that I adhere to every day. And then I have gotten now I think about it. Oh my goodness. So then the first thing I do is I plan out my day and have to plan out my day and God help you if you want to add a meeting after I've planned out my day, because it just confuses me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right, but that's literally the next thing I do. And that's kind of one of those Benjamin Franklin used to do that. He would literally plan out his day at the beginning of each day and then, take care of everything he needed, he felt he needed to take care of while I'm listening to my cool tunes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. I have two things to add. Okay. As another example of two more examples of. Um, I've talked about this before, but when I worked at the Aveda corporation, one of the chemists then I was friends with would, would tell me how, and I would see it too, because first of all, everything was immaculate in the chemistry department.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right? Of course it has to be. My friend would completely meticulously clean his desk top and bottom . At the end of the Workday. And he said, it's to honor the next day, because he doesn't want to start the day with a mess. Like all this stuff that the other day presented, you start with a clear plate and you give that day a certain respect of starting fresh, starting new.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There's a certain reverence in that there's a certain holiness in that, a full on holiness and that which leads me now to the second example. Our friend, Heather, the advisor, she came onto our show a while ago. She'll always tell me and remind me, reminds everybody is how you start is how you finish, which is exactly the example of my friend with his desk.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But let's say you're moving from one town to another town. Always leave on good terms. Always say a thank you. Make sure that you have not one negative charge on what you're leaving behind because guaranteed it will manifest it will. It will come about all these same issues that you left with a bad charge with ;a negative charge,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">it will go into your new life. So how you start is how you finish. So to leave a place to, to leave a place. Yeah, this is the example I leave with good intentions and a sense of honor and a sense of gratitude and a clear slate before you start something new. And that is ceremony. Yeah. So there you, haven't something to ponder something to celebrate.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Oh, my goodness. Be proud. Be proud. Proud is good. we love you. Thank you so much for listening. Talk to you in a few days. Talk to you later. Bye-bye bye.</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Ceremony, what does it really mean? What is it? What is a daily ceremony? It's an intentional routine that's connected with how you start, how you move through, or how you end your day, the goal of ceremony is to be aware of time passing, but not to stress out about it;to observe it and notice that it counts. The little things in life, count.
Why do we have ceremony? They make life's, essential moments. They may reflect our beliefs, hopes, our traditions, culture, and spirituality. It's a way to bring people together and provide a sense of belonging. A ritual is defined by psychologists as a predefined sequence of symbolic actions.
Rituals make us less anxious. Ritualistic practices can help to bring a degree of predictability to an uncertain future. They convince our brains of constancy. It brings about a sense of predictability.
 
 
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The Art of Ceremony
[00:00:00] Fawn: Hi, welcome back. We've got a good one for you today. Folks. We've got a great one for you today. Folks. Welcome back everybody to our friendly world. Today we're talking ceremony and I have a whole thing I'm going to go through and Matt's probably going to get mad at me because that's what he does. He has his notes.
I guarantee you I've become divergent. So I'm going to start first. And then Matt, you're just going to have to like flow with it. Here we go. The art of ceremony, ceremony as a work of art, I'm here to comfort you. We're here to comfort you, the opposite of people saying; I'm going to challenge you to something.
So today I'm going to comfort you with something it's the opposite of, I'm going to challenge you to do something because we all have enough that we're challenged by. Thank you very much. We're challenged enough, taxed enough, overworked, overtired, overdone, We need comfort. There's so much out there
that could seem so out of control. Like you have the feeling the sense that there's no rhyme or reason to anything that the world is crazy, if you look at it through the news, or if you listen to certain people. Life can seem out of control, like there's no sense to anything.
 For us, we just went through a ceremony of the end of life ceremony. Matt's mother passed away. And so I'm looking at Matt's dad and I got an email from your brother, basically saying, you know, this is what dad's been going through. Over the years he's felt a sense of losing control.
 He gave me a whole list of things that your dad has lost control of. in life, with his body, with just everything in life and that's his perception, right? We all can look at life and we can see things differently depending on how we look at it. What is our thought form? What is our belief system?
Our belief systems can create a whole other life from one incident to another. So today we're talking about the art of ceremony and how ritual, ceremony, all of that can really help us with friendship, with feeling connected with turning our lives around and creating the life that we really want.
So I looked at the etymology of first ceremony, and then it led me through all these other words and all these oth...]]>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>It was about the ceremony. It was about the experience. It was about the grief. It was about the, it was about my mom. It wasn't about these random people. I don't care really don't care. And honestly, don't care. So that's me, but just be careful with your words out there folks. Cause the problem is, is my dad said you are a disappointment, not that very disappointing or I'm disappointed that you're not coming.</p>
<p>He said you are a disappointment. Because that's his attempt to define my entire being versus defining an action. So just be careful, be careful at work. I was told very early on by somebody who wasn't particularly wise, but God, he nailed this one. You never say, you know, Bad. You say the work you did today was bad because it's inherently different.</p>
<p>You're not ascribing value to the person you're ascribing value to the work the person produces. It's entirely different.</p>
<p>This episode is about the friends who are disappointed; the people you can't please, and how to follow your own guidance in life.</p>
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<p><span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I have things on my mind, and I don't want to lose it because yesterday I said, let's talk about this on the show with, with, with the outbursts that I have been having that I was holding in for a few days. So let's get going before I lose my nerve or just lose it, like whatever. I don't know.</p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Um, all right. If you're about a quick, hello, you're bound to disappoint everybody at some point. So don't worry about. When people say they're disappointed in you, that disappointed friend, not only that today is not about the disappointing friend or, um, well, maybe disappointing friend that could be you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We're going to use ourselves as an example to talk about what we're talking about today to really convey the message out there that you're bound to disappoint others in life. Okay. It has very little to do with you is, is my understanding, because I'll tell you the whole thing and we're going to use ourselves as the example.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Matt is leaning back and kind of bracing himself because it's mostly about him today. Um, bear with me. So it's not just the disappointed friend. It is the self-absorbed friends, the distraught friend, the born. Okay. I'm going to put this in quotes, "born of an older generation" friend, the "stuck in the old way" friend. Here we go. So, like I said, living life, living your authentic life, living, what you think is right for you and your immediate surroundings from your perspective, no one else can see your perspective, but you, so when you make decisions based on that, and it's not to say that you don't you're, uh, you're not</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">caring about other people or other situations, you know, most of us are. And that's what makes some decisions so gut wrenching, that's why certain situations in life are so hard. And you waste a lot of time going back and forth because you do see the other perspective, but no one very few people, especially these days have the capacity to put themselves in your shoes and really understand where you're coming from to have compassion, not only for themselves, but for you and why you're making the decisions that you're making.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Saying that that's one of the reasons why people get disappointed when you realize really you are responsible for your life, you are responsible for the decisions that you make. You are responsible for seeing your perspective and you have to live by that. And there are consequences. So what does that really mean?</span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[It was about the ceremony. It was about the experience. It was about the grief. It was about the, it was about my mom. It wasn't about these random people. I don't care really don't care. And honestly, don't care. So that's me, but just be careful with your words out there folks. Cause the problem is, is my dad said you are a disappointment, not that very disappointing or I'm disappointed that you're not coming.
He said you are a disappointment. Because that's his attempt to define my entire being versus defining an action. So just be careful, be careful at work. I was told very early on by somebody who wasn't particularly wise, but God, he nailed this one. You never say, you know, Bad. You say the work you did today was bad because it's inherently different.
You're not ascribing value to the person you're ascribing value to the work the person produces. It's entirely different.
This episode is about the friends who are disappointed; the people you can't please, and how to follow your own guidance in life.
 
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Fawn: I have things on my mind, and I don't want to lose it because yesterday I said, let's talk about this on the show with, with, with the outbursts that I have been having that I was holding in for a few days. So let's get going before I lose my nerve or just lose it, like whatever. I don't know.
Um, all right. If you're about a quick, hello, you're bound to disappoint everybody at some point. So don't worry about. When people say they're disappointed in you, that disappointed friend, not only that today is not about the disappointing friend or, um, well, maybe disappointing friend that could be you.
We're going to use ourselves as an example to talk about what we're talking about today to really convey the message out there that you're bound to disappoint others in life. Okay. It has very little to do with you is, is my understanding, because I'll tell you the whole thing and we're going to use ourselves as the example.
Matt is leaning back and kind of bracing himself because it's mostly about him today. Um, bear with me. So it's not just the disappointed friend. It is the self-absorbed friends, the distraught friend, the born. Okay. I'm going to put this in quotes, "born of an older generation" friend, the "stuck in the old way" friend. Here we go. So, like I said, living life, living your authentic life, living, what you think is right for you and your immediate surroundings from your perspective, no one else can see your perspective, but you, so when you make decisions based on that, and it's not to say that you don't you're, uh, you're not
caring about other people or other situations, you know, most of us are. And that's what makes some decisions so gut wrenching, that's why certain situations in life are so hard. And you waste a lot of time going back and forth because you do see the other perspective, but no one very few people, especially these days have the capacity to put themselves in your shoes and really understand where you're coming from to have compassion, not only for themselves, but for you and why you're making the decisions that you're making.
Saying that that's one of the reasons why people get disappointed when you realize really you are responsible for your life, you are responsible for the decisions that you make. You are responsible for seeing your perspective and you have to live by that. And there are consequences. So what does that really mean?
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                    <![CDATA[<p>It was about the ceremony. It was about the experience. It was about the grief. It was about the, it was about my mom. It wasn't about these random people. I don't care really don't care. And honestly, don't care. So that's me, but just be careful with your words out there folks. Cause the problem is, is my dad said you are a disappointment, not that very disappointing or I'm disappointed that you're not coming.</p>
<p>He said you are a disappointment. Because that's his attempt to define my entire being versus defining an action. So just be careful, be careful at work. I was told very early on by somebody who wasn't particularly wise, but God, he nailed this one. You never say, you know, Bad. You say the work you did today was bad because it's inherently different.</p>
<p>You're not ascribing value to the person you're ascribing value to the work the person produces. It's entirely different.</p>
<p>This episode is about the friends who are disappointed; the people you can't please, and how to follow your own guidance in life.</p>
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<p><span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I have things on my mind, and I don't want to lose it because yesterday I said, let's talk about this on the show with, with, with the outbursts that I have been having that I was holding in for a few days. So let's get going before I lose my nerve or just lose it, like whatever. I don't know.</p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Um, all right. If you're about a quick, hello, you're bound to disappoint everybody at some point. So don't worry about. When people say they're disappointed in you, that disappointed friend, not only that today is not about the disappointing friend or, um, well, maybe disappointing friend that could be you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We're going to use ourselves as an example to talk about what we're talking about today to really convey the message out there that you're bound to disappoint others in life. Okay. It has very little to do with you is, is my understanding, because I'll tell you the whole thing and we're going to use ourselves as the example.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Matt is leaning back and kind of bracing himself because it's mostly about him today. Um, bear with me. So it's not just the disappointed friend. It is the self-absorbed friends, the distraught friend, the born. Okay. I'm going to put this in quotes, "born of an older generation" friend, the "stuck in the old way" friend. Here we go. So, like I said, living life, living your authentic life, living, what you think is right for you and your immediate surroundings from your perspective, no one else can see your perspective, but you, so when you make decisions based on that, and it's not to say that you don't you're, uh, you're not</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">caring about other people or other situations, you know, most of us are. And that's what makes some decisions so gut wrenching, that's why certain situations in life are so hard. And you waste a lot of time going back and forth because you do see the other perspective, but no one very few people, especially these days have the capacity to put themselves in your shoes and really understand where you're coming from to have compassion, not only for themselves, but for you and why you're making the decisions that you're making.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Saying that that's one of the reasons why people get disappointed when you realize really you are responsible for your life, you are responsible for the decisions that you make. You are responsible for seeing your perspective and you have to live by that. And there are consequences. So what does that really mean?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They're disappointed in themselves the people that are mad at you, they're disappointed in their own life situations. And I want you to understand that. So we're w I'm going to, I'm going to start this story and give you all the different examples of this. I think it's really important to talk about because no one talks about it. When people are disappointed in you and they tell you, you are a disappointment, it is so hurtful</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and you can go into a spiral and it can destroy you, which is what happened to us.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">But don't let it destroy you. I want you to listen to this and, and know that you are a good person, that it's okay. Let me just get into it. Okay. So guys, Matt's mom became ill rather quickly. And you know, we, we talked with the family at least one or two times a week. We don't live in the same state </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:07]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and this is, we've been talking to them once or twice a week for years, since </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:12]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> 2015.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:13]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> so my mother re recently became sick. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So. It was Matt's mom's birthday. And then a week later she woke up and I had to be taken to the hospital. We, we had these Saturday morning dates with them, the whole family on the phone, and we would talk for sometimes two and a half hours,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">every Saturday, like clockwork. One Saturday, we called and the phone kept being busy and we could sense something had happened. And so the story goes from there. Um, from the hospital, we were talking to Matt's mom and, um, when things were getting really bad and even from the beginning, she was saying she was ready to go.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">She wants to go. And the whole family was like, no, please don't go. No, no, no. And she was fighting with your dad, you know, saying George, I told you I want to go. I don't know what the, what words were said, but apparently it was, it was not pleasant for your dad. I think he was thinking.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:18]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Like it ever could be. . .</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:20]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I mean, was he yelled at, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:22]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> um, I'm sure he was, there was, there was a lot of pain </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">involved, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> so of course.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">For a month and a half, there was extreme anguish for everyone, especially for your dad. And you know, your dad is a planner. You're a dad is a great provider. You're a dad is one of, probably the smartest people on the planet. Like literally a rocket </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">science </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:47]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> completely lives in the world logic. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:51]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But from a, you know, from a different mindset, You know, our conversations had to be carefully critiqued before we had them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. Like your mom would be the buffer. Like she would, she, she always was, you know, kind of real man, like George. Yeah, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> well, yeah, it reminds me of Kyle. What was that? Ben Stiller movie meet the parents where the mom would say muskrat when the father was starting to step out of bounds, it felt like my mother performed that role.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">She didn't say muskrat, but she might as well. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:26]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah, she, she didn't have a code word, but she would say, George, you know, So, all right. So we were talking and she specifically said, and we didn't want to anyway, because we, we have our own beliefs and everything, but she said, I don't want the girls to see me this way.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So don't come. And so anyway, and because of everything you went through, Matt, we were not only experiencing your moms experience. But we were reliving what happened with you in 2015. And so, and so are the girls, so like all these things came back </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> when 2015, I was, I was in the hospital, things were looking terrible and I'm fine now, but yeah, things were looking </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">terrible.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:19]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. Matt had a miraculous recovery, but basically he, he, I think you did die, right? Like you kind of crossed over a little bit. Well, it was bad guys. I don't even want to talk about it because I still have insomnia because of it. Like I can't sleep. It was trauma to say the least for the whole, you know, for the girls, for me, for you, obviously.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Um, so we, we couldn't revisit that because we're still living through the trauma of what we experienced. We tend to, because of, especially because of what happened, we don't, we try not to put too much emphasis on the physical things, you know, like even Christmas gifts or birthday gifts and stuff like that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We're not about just the gift, the per you know, the physical thing. We're about experiences. We're about, you know, not holding onto the physical form too much and trying to be more light about it on many levels. So that's why one, because of the trauma, neither one of us could handle seeing your mom like that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And two, it just, it wasn't, it wasn't healthy for the girls. It was not healthy for you. And also we were able to call several times a day and be there and provide levity for the situation. So we were right there as opposed to like what we'd be there would be in the way we'd be like constantly like just driving back and forth.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Whereas if we're on a call, there is no crying. The girls were like losing it the whole time, you know, but when they were on the phone, They were the, the granddaughters, they were like, hi grams, high gramps, you know, hello, uncle Jeff, you know, whatever. Like, you know what I mean? It was like, what they needed was for us to be light for us to be there with them at an instant, you know, instead of the driving back and forth.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I'm still making excuses because of what was said to us. So I'm trying to explain to you all, and I'm sure maybe some of you are looking at us like we're evil for, for saying, okay, well we're not going to go be by her bedside. Right. So this is how the story starts. Am I saying it? Okay. My like talking too much right now.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:48]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You're good. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> All right. So what happened was, things started to escalate with your mom with her health and she was no longer coherent. Like, we couldn't understand what she was saying. They, they had her in hospice care. And I think the hospice care worker had her own beliefs in what should be done.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right? Like, um, the entire family needs to be here right now. And so she it's a long story, but basically we felt like, wow, she fully expressed to us what she wanted, you know? And then all of a sudden there's the caretaker saying you want them here with you. Right. And she would mumble something and then the word yes</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">was made to come out. Like, yes. You know what I mean? And then that led to Matt's dad saying, okay guys, I want you to come right now. And so we, we, I mean, in that instant while he was still on the phone and like, with like telling the girls grab the luggage, so they brought all the luggage down. I'm like, okay, go take showers.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So we're not going to have the ability to take showers for a couple of days, maybe because we're going to be on the road, traveling, get trying to get there. We don't know where we're going to stay. So like, get ready. You're everything ready. And we did. And while they were doing that, I was on the airline trying to find tickets.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Basically would've cost us like $5,000 to go that day. And we would have had to figure out what to do with your job. You didn't even tell your job what had happened until days later after your mom actually passed away. So, no, no, no, no. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> That's, that's not entirely true. I did tell key people what was </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:37]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> yeah, but the crew didn't know.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So when you're experiencing hardship, the whole crew didn't know because they weren't sharing that experience. You didn't tell everyone what was really happening. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:48]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. Because it's very hard to describe. So you tell the key people and you expect foolishly that people actually talk and people don't anymore.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You assumed that they would, and they didn't. Okay. And so what happened was, after making all the reservations and all that stuff, and you know, it's not like we have a ton of money. So $5,000 was a big chunk. And that was just for, I think, airline tickets right. For that day. So, um, we got on the phone with your dad</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">who had gone out to lunch. So we didn't know who he was sitting with. We do know we were on speaker probably. Right. Probably. And so w you know, it was the first time, I think you cried in front of your parents I think twice in your life, you've cried in front of them as an adult.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So you were crying to your dad trying to plead with him, please understand. I don't think it's a good idea for me to come for us to come for the girls to come for us to come. And he basically said that you're a disappointment and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:59]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm very disappointed in you is what </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">he said.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm very disappointed in you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so, okay. You know, we immediately knew hurt people hurt, you know, he's in a lot of pain, but he's just the kind of person also that has no filter. That he could have a little bit of Asperger's maybe that was never diagnosed. I mean, just the word this man, the way he speaks is quite offensive, racially on all levels.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">For me, like it's really hard to have a conversation. Like the patriarchy is strong with this man, as well as racial issues from his perspective. Um, so w whatever, then we felt like, okay, here we are. Again, once again, the outcasts of a family, we have been there before. This is why there was a big rift with us in the, in the past.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So it's like, wow, here we go again. Um, so dealing with all this and. Uh, another thing I want to say that was brought up through this whole story was, have you ever had a friend that speaks about you in not the greatest of ways? I think we all have, we all have had the feeling of people talking behind your back, and there are friends who do that constantly.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And you always know when you meet people they know, when they all look at you, you see the hatred from their eyes and these people don't even know you. They've never spoken to you, but you can tell an instant the first time they actually physically lay eyes on you that, oh wow, this person has preconceived notions of who they think I am.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that happens a lot with your dad's friends. Your family friends that have never met us, but when they do, you can see that judgment all over them. And it's not my imagination guys. Like you can tell, wow, there's hate or there's I don't know. The only word I can think of is hate. W what, what would it be? Do you know what I'm talking about, Matt?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yeah, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> absolutely. Absolutely. And so much of it is. Um, because they do talk because they express themselves because they live in both and that's just it. What other perspective do they have? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:40]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> When </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">we talk we, we give our perspective and another person's perspective. I've always done that when I was in therapy as a teenager, I always gave my family's perspective first.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then I said my perspective, but that's how I roll. That's how I do it. And, you know, once again, assumptions, I assume most people are the same way. I don't know.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So. All right, so we fly down. Matt's mom passed away, guys. We fly down, get everything taken care of where we're there. We're there. We're suited up in our best clothes. And I mean, we didn't have best clothes, but we bought best clothes. Elle and Allegra were in suits. I was in a suit. You were dressed up, shoes, shined.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Allegra was wearing a 16 piece suit. You know, the, the suit, the vest, the jacket, the trousers, the tie, the pocket handkerchief. The coat, the whole thing. Totally beautiful. Elle was in a suit. I was in a suit totally like respectable, respectful. We're standing there. We're at the funeral outside. And before we walk to the actual church, we're walking across the parking lot and I look inside the.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It was like on the outskirts of the church, there was a room or something before you go into the chapel area. And there was a man in the dark doorway guys. I don't know how to describe this to you, but I felt like I was watching the "Days of Our Lives" soap opera, because this guy was just kind of like staring at us cross, cross the parking lot.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I said to myself, please, God, don't, don't let that be the preacher or the priests, whatever the, they call them and that particular religion of that church. And, um, I'm like, he can't be it because he felt guys I've had Tourette's about this for ever since we came back home like turrets, and I'm afraid to say the things that I actually said describing this person, because I don't want to offend anybody but sloppy</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">was one of the words that's in there describing this person and unceremonial, um, it was just weird and the way he was glaring at us, I'm like, okay, well, it's probably my imagination. So we kept walking. I'm holding onto you guys. We're holding hands and we stand, we, we saw your, your sister and she said, don't go in there yet.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Okay, fine. We're going to be out. Um, it was an open casket and they're like, you she's like don't, don't just don't I'm like, okay, no, we're not attached to the physical. We don't need to see that. You know what I mean? Like, I it's it's okay. It's not necessary. It's not necessary because we still feel her. I, I was dreaming about her.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I've been, you know, we're, we're still, we don't because again, because of the experience that we have had in our lives, we try to not focus on the physical that we don't think that there's a separation. And we try to hold onto that, especially after what happened with you, Matt. So we're standing outside, we're greeting people that are coming in.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">People are kind of ignoring us. And again, whatever, it's not about us, it's about everybody else. Right. So we're not going to take anything personally until that priest or whatever he is. What do you call him in that religion? Pastor, the pastor comes, I'm like, oh my God, it is him. That's the guy who's heading this whole thing up fine.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And um, he says, hello to everyone ignores us. And then he mad dogs. What is, what does mad dog mean? We always use that term. I really don't know what it means. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Uh, stare down with almost, you can feel, you can feel the ground. Now, if, when it's with a person, you can't hear the ground, but you feel it like the bearing of the teeth and the, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:06]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> so it's a term that we use when we go out in public.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Sometimes we can feel that with people and we always use the term mad dogging. He's mad dogging me, or this person mad dogged me. So he began mad dogging our kids. He looked at Allegra, which is our youngest. Right. And in her full on respectable suit and tie that she was wearing all adorable. Adorable. Yes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">She's all girly, but she's all like, that's her style. That's Elle's style, you know, that's kinda my style too right now. And so mad dogged us just wouldn't even look at us in the eyes, just looked at our suits up and down. Like he was smelling, foul something. Like smelling something bad. Didn't even say, hello, he knew your name, whatever.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So I'm speeding it up. We're at the ceremony we're sitting in the front row and, hespoke and spoke and spoke. And then when it came down to talking about your mom's kids, of course, he gets to you, he's like, oh, what's your name, mark? Uh, uh, he, he said two M names But Matt I'm like, okay guy, I know, you know his name, what is that about?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Anyway, it was just, it felt sloppy to me. And then when he was done, he came towards us. He had to cross our path. So I said to him, thank you for the service. He wouldn't look at me and he kinda, he mumbled something and he walked on like, wow. Okay. So that's our experience. Now, this pastor was that what you call him a pastor, the family loves him, which is great because they need someone.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They need someone to be in their circle. Perfect. But like, this is what happens when you talk smack about people and even a pastor, should, you would think would have the grace and the love. Isn't that their work to be about love and embrace everyone and realize there are many perspectives to something and you are a grieving child as well.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Have the decency to look at us as human beings. I mean, and then as we're going all over the place, I'm like, is this a racial thing? Because obviously we're the darkest people here. Is it because my background is not Christian, I'm Jewish, what is it?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">What is it? What is anyway? And then I stopped myself and I thought, you know what? Let it go. This is about these people. They're all in pain. Even the pastor, obviously, because he doesn't have the capacity for love. And so we were sitting there and behind us is the church and all the people that are in it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I swear to you all I kept hearing was whispering. Cause you know, everybody whispers in church, but it was a weird whisper. And because of our situation, because of our, like so much gossip about us in particular, like. You and me, Matt and the girls. And because we're so different, we're an interracial family.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">We were on the outs with the family for a few years. And I'm sure everyone got to hear about that from only their perspective. Like we were just rotten kids that did them wrong. God knows. I don't know. But like I turned to Elle and all I have to do is just look at the kids and they know that I'm looking at them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So they always look at me like, yes... We communicate through our eyes and we had our masks on and everything. So I look it Elle and I said two words, the whispering. And she looked at me and she, I could tell she was smiling and she's like church gossip.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm like baby girl. Yeah. So it's not just me. Like we could feel, you know, the whispering was, um, it was intense and it's intense to have your back to it. And there's nothing you can do, but sit with your back to that. You're very vulnerable to have your back against the enemy. , so that's what happened.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And we just want to talk about the fact that hurt people, hurt. Watch out when people make things about themselves. The sloppiness, the judgment that people hold, the inability to hold ceremony.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">We go through life. Everything is ceremonial; making a cup of coffee is ceremonial, making food is ceremonial. Everything. Death is a ceremony birth as a ceremony. Oh, weddings are a ceremony. We've talked about our wedding ceremony and how beautiful it was, but how there was a brawl in the midst of it, two brawls and how people take the opportunity to use ceremony as a means of retaliation, as a means to letting out all the garbage out and flinging it around like you're at the zoo trapped in a cage.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Do you know what I mean? Matt is just staring at me. I have no idea what </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">he's thinking. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm just letting her go, folks. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:40]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm almost done. I'm almost done, but you know, having the grace for understanding, of a pain other than your own</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">not holding on so much to the physical. Just let it go. Let go of the past harms let go of the preconceived notions that people have on you. It's not yours to hold on to just let it go. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I do not accept delivery, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:06]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> right? People giving you gifts. You don't have to accept it. You can say thank you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well, you don't have to take it. I'm just thinking just the small amount of time that we experienced what we experienced at this particular ceremony. I felt like it was a really important for me to talk today to you all about when people express disappointment in you, be it, you're not the sex that they wanted you to be.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're not living the life they have planned out. You don't match anything that resembles their life. You have a sexual orientation that doesn't match the church's idea. God knows the list is infinite. I want you to know that you're not alone, that we all receive that kind of judgment from other people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And it's really incredible to me. I love all religions. I do. I studied all religions. I respect them all to a point when they start misbehaving and saying what God deems acceptable. That's just man's perspective, man. The patriarchal perspective;</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">the human physical form, the limited view of life perspective. I'm here to let you know, please remember the beautiful light that you are and that's it. Matt, what do you want to say? I may jump in there again, by the way, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> uh, see, versus me my experience with the whole thing, because I grew up Lutheran, um, And I, I always carry myself around in a little bubble and I always talk about my theory of the onion and how there's so many layers.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So, you know, I only present outer most, very tough layers of the onion. So my experience was completely different. I didn't hear people gossiping. I didn't, I wasn't focused on that. I was focused on what was actually going on. And, you know, ignoring everything else and, you know, that's, maybe that's just a defense mechanism and maybe that's just, who knows, who cares. To me, it wasn't about any aspect of anything and other people's judgment.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It was about the ceremony. It was about the experience. It was about the grief. It was about the, it was about my mom. It wasn't about these random people. I don't care really don't care. And honestly, don't care. So that's me, but just be careful with your words out there folks. Cause the problem is, is my dad said you are a disappointment, not that very disappointing or I'm disappointed that you're not coming.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">He said you are a disappointment. Because that's his attempt to define my entire being versus defining an action. So just be careful, be careful at work. I was told very early on by somebody who wasn't particularly wise, but God, he nailed this one. You never say, you know, Bad. You say the work you did today was bad because it's inherently different.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're not ascribing value to the person you're ascribing value to the work the person produces. It's entirely different. So yeah, don't say you're a disappointment. It's just wrong. And yeah. It's funny. I thought the show today would be all about ceremony, but no, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> well, no, it, it, I just had to give the background info.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I know I was just, it should be about </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> seven. It was a lot more focused on what </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> ceremony is. Let's get into ceremony. What is ceremony? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:00]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, ceremony is in this. Ceremony is an action performed only formally with no deep significance. That's one of the definitions. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:11]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Are you kidding? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:11]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> That's one of the definitions of that's one of the definitions it's like </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> to be.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It is a horrible, wrong inaccurate definition. Once again, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:22]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> what it's a conventional social gesture or act of courtesy. Hmm. So shaking hands as a ceremony. It doesn't mean necessarily mean anything. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> See anything that's written by the patriarchy for me again, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it's like a second, third definition. Come on. All </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:39]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's not the first </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> definition. Go ahead. And just, I was very focused on what ceremonies are and that kind of, to me, it kind of broke into kind of three, three basic ceremonies, opening ceremonies, closing ceremonies, and interestingly. And it's probably the better term for it, but I just describe it as like the tea ceremony, Japanese tea ceremony, because it's, it's its own thing versus an opening ceremony and opening ceremony for us is like a birth.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It can be, you know? Um, and, and we get into sticky, tricky stuff because there's an opening and closing all at once when you graduate. From, you know, a school because you're closing this and maybe opening and you are opening something else. So that's where things get difficult. And of course there's opening ceremonies for, you know, stores.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There's typically not closing ceremonies for stores, but you know, the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:37]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> reason that that's a ceremony </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> doesn't count</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:42]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yes it does...75% off yay!</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yay. Anyway. And that's just kind of where I was coming to it from. I mean, there there's some ceremonies have deep significance, but typically that deep significance is invested by the people who are doing it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So like a baseball game has an opening center. Dun dun da and a lackluster, I think closing ceremony, but the opening ceremony, they announced the players and maybe the players come out on the field. It's been a while since I've been to a baseball game, but it's certainly a football, they do this and then a closing ceremony, you know, thank you for coming folks.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Bye bye. But, um, you know, Yeah. Again, the investment is from the people involved the participants, and if you're there to gossip, then you're going to have a action performed only formerly with no deep significance, right? If you choose that, then that's what you're going to have. Now me, I had a lot deeper of a significance.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The pastor not withstanding because yeah, he was sloppy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Everything is ceremonial. For example, when we give gifts or when we receive gifts, we don't just hear, well, I guess tearing of a present is ceremonial too, but like with us, Matt, the girls, and I will get a present and will meticulously slowly open it without hurting the wrapping. And we first Marvel in the shape of it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know, we hold that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:18]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I got to guess what it is. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:19]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And then we, we like look at different angles of it and we say, thank you many times. We don't just tear into it. But if that's your ceremony, that's perfectly great. This is our way of ceremony with a present. Well, I guess anything you do is what I'm trying to say is ceremonial.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Everything should be done with reverence, with thoughts , with, mindfulness, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> what everything you do should be mindful. Because the other thing I wanted to talk about is, so my best friend told me from the beginning that I should go, I should go. I should go. He didn't say he said, I think you'll be sad if you don't.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I think if there's any unfinished business, you should, you should go. And I heard him and I made sure he understood that I heard him.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But he let it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">go.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And again, this is his perspective. He would have been sad not to go. He chooses to live life the way he does, because his way of ceremony completely different than ours. Right. Right. And it's like, I was trying to equate it to in a lighthearted way, like the prom, everyone always said go to the prom.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You'll regret it for the rest of your life if you don't go. And I always knew in my heart, no, I will not regret. I don't want to go. And because the whole society was like telling me, Fawn, you need to go to the prom, you will regret it for forever. So I got, I paid money. I had my hair done. I paid money.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I got a dress. I paid money to, you know, pitch in to this big limo with my friends, you know, all this stuff. And the whole time. I could've used this money. Cause you know, first of all, you guys know my story, but like I was on my own right after graduation, I was on my own, getting myself to college, paying for my own college, paying for my own rent, everything I'm like, wow, I could've used this money for that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I didn't have a good time at prom because for the same reason I didn't want to go because first of all, high school was not fun. Why would I go to a big, expensive thing at night? You know, deep in my heart, I knew what was correct for me. It wasn't my ceremony, it's other people's ceremony. And it's other people's idea of what ceremony should be.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">And that was a great lesson for me. It was financially expensive, but it was also spiritually, a very Expensive lesson to learn. You know, society could be telling you this, but if you know, in your heart, if you know, in your soul, what is right for you, you need to go with that. So I went to the prom, I realized I was right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I shouldn't have gone, but I learned that. And I'm grateful for that lesson. However much I paid for it, it was worth it for me to gain that understanding, that society could be telling you what's right. But you know, what is right and correct for your life. And that's my message.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Do you want to go on with ceremony? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm good. Follow your heart folks. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:36]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You're a good person. You are a good person just because you don't live life the way people expect it of you don't let that hurt you. Don't let that make you feel less than. You are not less than. You are an amazing light in the world.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Usually when people express disappointment, really everything comes to how they feel about themselves, how they feel about their circumstances in life, because think about it when you're really at peace, when you are good with your life and someone does something that is not in sync with how you live.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Are you disappointed in that person? Really? You kind of let it go and you would have compassion for that person. while saying to yourself, wow, they don't see it the way I see it. They don't maybe have my perspective and that's it. You don't stomp on the person and say that they are less than, it's just a different perspective.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And especially as a friend or as a parent to have the capacity, to just be good with your own life and your own decisions and respect other people's decisions and not let it hurt you. Much like I'm telling you do not let the actions of the ones that are disappointed, hurt you and dim the lights that is you and your life.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I'm, as I'm saying this, I'm kind of hoping that you all are still our friends and you're not looking at me like I'm some evil person. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:12]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> But again, you've got to let go of </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">that aspect, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but I'm just telling you how I feel anyway. I know, I know because I, I do, I do want approval. We all do. And it hurts when we don't get it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It hurts when people don't understand our choices. Yes, that is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:29]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> true. That is true. And I guess it's more baked into my DNA, certainly with regard to parental units and parental social structures like church for me to have a nice thick skin around it and not worry about it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:44]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's just it though. It's an outer layer skin and deep down, I know you, you have a kind, a gentle heart</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">that's very sensitive, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:52]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> that's true. But it never gets there. It never does </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:55]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> honestly. Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:58]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I mean, yeah. Okay. Maybe it's stung for a second, but. God, he has told me I'm a disappointment, any number of times. And you know, I can either choose to curl up in a ball or I can choose to be magnificent and I'd much rather be magnificent.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:12]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And that, that just, it doesn't just go for parents, but that's where friendship starts. It's how we're raised by our families. And how we are grown, how we grow within families and how we're treated in families is the setup for how we treat our friendships out there in the world. I'm letting you know friends that you are magnificent and you are loved and you are a great light and even a greater light.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If you're living life in a way that most people are not, if you're living life to a tune that you have, created, you're making beautiful music and people may not understand it. They may not understand how to dance to it, but guaranteed, they will just keep going. And you'll find us. You'll find ones that can groove with you and understand and respect you and can appreciate your style of music that is you. That's it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I do wish though, because I don't curse on the air that you could have heard all that I said yesterday, it felt good. It felt good to just release it and be so blasphemous because </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> in the traditional sense of the word, I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:26]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> suppose, Well, I w I didn't say anything about God. I just said something about some sloppy person that was putting on some garb.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's supposed to be a representative of, you know, it's ridiculous. It is just,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">like I said, you know what? Let's do a whole series on the art of the ceremony, because I mean, I'm not Lutheran, but the whole time I was like, let me up there. I would like to hold a ceremony. Let me, do you know what I mean? Like really? This is your job, man. Wow. Anyway, I hope this is one reason. I'm glad that your family doesn't know</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">we have a podcast. Oh dear. I hope they haven't Googled this. And if you have. If you're listening. We love you so much. Thank you for listening, please let us know what you think. Reach out to our friendly world podcast.com. Talk to you in a few days. We love you. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Careful with your, with, with saying you are, anything and accepting don't accept.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Words, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">have power. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:34]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes, they do. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Good and bad. Love you. Talk to you later. Be well, bye.</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[It was about the ceremony. It was about the experience. It was about the grief. It was about the, it was about my mom. It wasn't about these random people. I don't care really don't care. And honestly, don't care. So that's me, but just be careful with your words out there folks. Cause the problem is, is my dad said you are a disappointment, not that very disappointing or I'm disappointed that you're not coming.
He said you are a disappointment. Because that's his attempt to define my entire being versus defining an action. So just be careful, be careful at work. I was told very early on by somebody who wasn't particularly wise, but God, he nailed this one. You never say, you know, Bad. You say the work you did today was bad because it's inherently different.
You're not ascribing value to the person you're ascribing value to the work the person produces. It's entirely different.
This episode is about the friends who are disappointed; the people you can't please, and how to follow your own guidance in life.
 
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Fawn: I have things on my mind, and I don't want to lose it because yesterday I said, let's talk about this on the show with, with, with the outbursts that I have been having that I was holding in for a few days. So let's get going before I lose my nerve or just lose it, like whatever. I don't know.
Um, all right. If you're about a quick, hello, you're bound to disappoint everybody at some point. So don't worry about. When people say they're disappointed in you, that disappointed friend, not only that today is not about the disappointing friend or, um, well, maybe disappointing friend that could be you.
We're going to use ourselves as an example to talk about what we're talking about today to really convey the message out there that you're bound to disappoint others in life. Okay. It has very little to do with you is, is my understanding, because I'll tell you the whole thing and we're going to use ourselves as the example.
Matt is leaning back and kind of bracing himself because it's mostly about him today. Um, bear with me. So it's not just the disappointed friend. It is the self-absorbed friends, the distraught friend, the born. Okay. I'm going to put this in quotes, "born of an older generation" friend, the "stuck in the old way" friend. Here we go. So, like I said, living life, living your authentic life, living, what you think is right for you and your immediate surroundings from your perspective, no one else can see your perspective, but you, so when you make decisions based on that, and it's not to say that you don't you're, uh, you're not
caring about other people or other situations, you know, most of us are. And that's what makes some decisions so gut wrenching, that's why certain situations in life are so hard. And you waste a lot of time going back and forth because you do see the other perspective, but no one very few people, especially these days have the capacity to put themselves in your shoes and really understand where you're coming from to have compassion, not only for themselves, but for you and why you're making the decisions that you're making.
Saying that that's one of the reasons why people get disappointed when you realize really you are responsible for your life, you are responsible for the decisions that you make. You are responsible for seeing your perspective and you have to live by that. And there are consequences. So what does that really mean?
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>How can a compliment open the doors to friendship or even save someone's life? We discuss in this episode of "The Art of the Compliment" as we understand the ways to establish joy, kindness, and sincerity and see how a compliment is an invitation to a beautiful friendship. What is the difference between COMPLIMENT and COMPLEMENT? We discuss this question and much more.</p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> you complete me Hello? Hello. Hello. Welcome back. Are you ready for a very intense, not intense in a negative way, but an in depth topic, a topic I'm actually going to teach a course on </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:14]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> super serious. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It's not super serious, but it has a lot of moving parts and it's quite deep actually. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:22]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Would you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">it more nuanced?. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I don't like that word, but it's the art of the compliment.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:32]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh, dear. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Much like when you come into our home and all of the different homes we've had since the big house we used to own that, you know, through the pitfalls of society, went to hell and ever since then, we've been so gunshy. Ugh, gunshy. We've been so resistant on owning property ever again because of what happened in the financial crisis some years ago, that is, seems to be happening again.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But whatever, we've moved a lot since then, and it's never been a place that's been ours, it's been some rentals and some of them have been ugly, depressing, just ugly , gray. It started with the first apartment we had after we lost the house.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">it was Valentine's day. We've said this story before. Sorry, but quick refresher. It was Valentine's day. Matt had this job with this horrible person there that was stressing him out so much. It was awful. It was horrible. It was Valentine's day. And. I was teaching our little, little, little girls and I decided, all right, let's do an art project.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">We cut hundreds of hearts out of different kinds of paper, different colors, everything. And then I got like sewing thread and I attached them to the hearts and I hung them on the ceiling.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I taped them on the ceiling in the entryway. So when Matt came home, he had to walk through this hall of hearts. So many hearts and they were low enough where his forehead would get touched by a heart walking throug...</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[How can a compliment open the doors to friendship or even save someone's life? We discuss in this episode of "The Art of the Compliment" as we understand the ways to establish joy, kindness, and sincerity and see how a compliment is an invitation to a beautiful friendship. What is the difference between COMPLIMENT and COMPLEMENT? We discuss this question and much more.
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[00:00:00] Fawn: you complete me Hello? Hello. Hello. Welcome back. Are you ready for a very intense, not intense in a negative way, but an in depth topic, a topic I'm actually going to teach a course on 
[00:00:14] Matt: super serious. 
[00:00:16] Fawn: It's not super serious, but it has a lot of moving parts and it's quite deep actually. 
[00:00:22] Matt: Would you 
 it more nuanced?. 
[00:00:23] Fawn: I don't like that word, but it's the art of the compliment.
[00:00:32] Matt: Oh, dear. 
[00:00:32] Fawn: Much like when you come into our home and all of the different homes we've had since the big house we used to own that, you know, through the pitfalls of society, went to hell and ever since then, we've been so gunshy. Ugh, gunshy. We've been so resistant on owning property ever again because of what happened in the financial crisis some years ago, that is, seems to be happening again.
But whatever, we've moved a lot since then, and it's never been a place that's been ours, it's been some rentals and some of them have been ugly, depressing, just ugly , gray. It started with the first apartment we had after we lost the house.
it was Valentine's day. We've said this story before. Sorry, but quick refresher. It was Valentine's day. Matt had this job with this horrible person there that was stressing him out so much. It was awful. It was horrible. It was Valentine's day. And. I was teaching our little, little, little girls and I decided, all right, let's do an art project.
 We cut hundreds of hearts out of different kinds of paper, different colors, everything. And then I got like sewing thread and I attached them to the hearts and I hung them on the ceiling.
I taped them on the ceiling in the entryway. So when Matt came home, he had to walk through this hall of hearts. So many hearts and they were low enough where his forehead would get touched by a heart walking throug...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>How can a compliment open the doors to friendship or even save someone's life? We discuss in this episode of "The Art of the Compliment" as we understand the ways to establish joy, kindness, and sincerity and see how a compliment is an invitation to a beautiful friendship. What is the difference between COMPLIMENT and COMPLEMENT? We discuss this question and much more.</p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>TRANSCRIPT</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> you complete me Hello? Hello. Hello. Welcome back. Are you ready for a very intense, not intense in a negative way, but an in depth topic, a topic I'm actually going to teach a course on </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:14]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> super serious. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It's not super serious, but it has a lot of moving parts and it's quite deep actually. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:22]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Would you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">it more nuanced?. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I don't like that word, but it's the art of the compliment.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:32]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh, dear. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Much like when you come into our home and all of the different homes we've had since the big house we used to own that, you know, through the pitfalls of society, went to hell and ever since then, we've been so gunshy. Ugh, gunshy. We've been so resistant on owning property ever again because of what happened in the financial crisis some years ago, that is, seems to be happening again.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But whatever, we've moved a lot since then, and it's never been a place that's been ours, it's been some rentals and some of them have been ugly, depressing, just ugly , gray. It started with the first apartment we had after we lost the house.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">it was Valentine's day. We've said this story before. Sorry, but quick refresher. It was Valentine's day. Matt had this job with this horrible person there that was stressing him out so much. It was awful. It was horrible. It was Valentine's day. And. I was teaching our little, little, little girls and I decided, all right, let's do an art project.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">We cut hundreds of hearts out of different kinds of paper, different colors, everything. And then I got like sewing thread and I attached them to the hearts and I hung them on the ceiling.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I taped them on the ceiling in the entryway. So when Matt came home, he had to walk through this hall of hearts. So many hearts and they were low enough where his forehead would get touched by a heart walking through. And so when you come in, you're touched by these hearts and when you're leaving to go out in the world, once again, you're kissed by these hearts a reminder, if you will, of how much we love each other or love, you know, what I'm talking about.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Okay. So a compliment is the same thing. It's to remember the joy. It's to remember the kindness it's it's too. It's like when you come over to our house, besides the hearts guaranteed, you'll be offered something immediately. You're not even inside yet. And we're offering you a beverage of some kind.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">That's what we do. And I think that's what the compliment is that I think for me, that's what the compliment is. It is the offering to a friend. In a relationship it could be, the relationship could be a friend. It could be any situation, but a genuine compliment is what offers nourishment for you to welcome someone in.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So we were looking at the etymology of course, of the compliment. And it's very interesting because I want to say, you know, you complete me and that's basically what it means. So a compliment, let's start with a noun. It's an act or expression of civility, respect or regard an act or expression of civility.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Now here's where the Johnson definition comes in, which is really messed up. And I think that's why people have so much trouble with the compliment because that is the act or expression of civility usually understood to include some hypocrisy. And it means less than it declares. I think that's why people, one reason why people don't compliment, because it feels so disingenuine that it's just, you're just sucking up to someone to get something, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Or they used to </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">(Matt laughs) It can </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:20]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> be, It can feel that way. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:22]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, sure. And it's also like words are so misused or overly used. So once you hear a certain words, you're like "eeek" , how to harness that truth in everything. All right. And how it totally opens up this beautiful gate to this beautiful relationship, beautiful friendship, and how you can complete me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">All right. So in the 1570s, compliment is "that which fills up or complete" by 19th century, the meaning extended to an expression of praise or admiration, meaning a present or favor bestowed a complimentary gift. This is from 1722. Now in the 1690s, it became a way to manifest kindness.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Here's how I don't know about other languages right now. Like as far as etymology goes and like really getting into things, but here's where it gets really. Um, like I was talking about it. It's complicated. It's complicated socially, but check this out. So one little tiny difference of a letter in the word compliment, changes the meaning.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So compliment with an I C O M P L I M E N T it's a noun or verb it's to give, you know, it's like to give a compliment or the act of complimenting; I'm complimenting your cooking skills or I'm complimenting a job well done. Right. But if you use the other word complement, it sounds exactly the same, but it's spelled differently different meaning.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So this other one is with an E. C O M P L E M E N T has a different meaning. Complement: this one with an E means, bringing to perfection, having no deficiency, perfect in kind or quality, finished, ended, concluded. Why are you laughing at me? There's another one. It's also a musical term. It's also a mathematical term.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Ooh. You tell me the mathematics. Why don't you try to remember it while I try, while I explained the musical term, which is from the circus circus, 16 hundreds, full quality or number, full amount, musical sense of simple interval that completes an octave from another simple interval. That's probably the same as math though.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right? Math </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">is music.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:07]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I just remember. Yes. Uh, I just remember something called the two's compliment, but I don't know what it is. I'm terrible that way. I D I don't remember. It's, uh, I th I think it's a series of numbers, but it's irrelevant. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:20]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> We don't </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">have our phones here. We should look it up. Go get your phone.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">What is that?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I don't know. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:27]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, anyway, so, much like offering a beverage to someone, I think a compliment is a way to welcome someone in. It's to bring joy. It's to bring kindness into a situation. And usually I noticed this about you, Matt. And when we lived in Washington state, we would do this quite often where, well, first of all, you started this because you have the ability to look at someone and notice things that a person does that will go completely undetected by most people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">It's the martial arts skill in you where you can notice the trifles that are so invisible to most people, 99.9% of the people and you stop and you trip on it. And then you'll usually come to me and describe what you saw and, um, and I'm blown away. I'm like, how could I have missed that?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You were right. Oh my God. So that's what, that's the art of the compliment. And that's why I'm saying it's so complicated. Cause it's kind of martial artsy. You have to notice things. Why are you roll your, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:36]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I wouldn't say it's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">martial artsy </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:37]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">is because it's noticing things around </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">you. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:40]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, certainly I think step one is absolutely paying attention and you should always pay attention, especially as those people around you who mean something to.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Good </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">or bad,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but even if they, if, even if you don't know them, most of these cases that I'm remembering throughout the time we've been together, we don't know these people and you notice all these remarkable things that they do or the way they are. And then, so you would point them out and then we would run over there and praise that quality and the person would get so happy because they wouldn't.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">What happened is they received. What we all look for is validation of who we are that we're seen and we're appreciated. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. And, and that's just it. I mean, I'm seeing constantly through messaging on, you know, TV and other media is we all have this deep seated need, not a want, but a need to be seen at this point.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:45]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right. And unfortunately, the way we are seen is this manufactured way of being seen. If you look at most actresses in movies and television, they all look the same. They do. And when one actress comes in that has a completely different look and she becomes a mega superstar, then everyone else starts getting the plastic surgery or whatever, to look like that, the hairstyle to look like.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And when we compliment someone, it feels like we're complementing a job well done on achieving this look or achieving this manufactured status quo kind of a thing. And that's not what I'm talking about complimenting. I'm complimenting the core of things, the true essence of something, not the obvious hairstyle, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">not the obvious, um, job well done, right? Things that go unseen. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:44]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I would never compliment somebody on their looks. I mean, I may compliment somebody on like a piece of clothing </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> or no, I, I compliment and looks all the time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I tend </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">to compliment </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">actions. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:58]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Maybe it's harder for you to compliment on looks because you're a man, but I feel it's a, it's a.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Responsibility of mine to compliment someone's looks especially women, but I'm not going to do it in like the misogynistic, uh, approval of society kind of way. You know, I go for, I go for the depth of it, like the true beauty of a person that requires an inner and then is that is obviously showing on the outer is what I'm saying.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So anyway, but for example, like I remember like we would, we would just, you know, like simple things, like, I'm just trying to give you examples of like compliments, but like things that go unnoticed. Can you think of something that goes unnoticed? Because we we've done it so much and I, but we haven't been out in a while out and about honestly, that it's, it's hard to come up with.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Exactl instances of how we would do it to give you examples of this. But I think, I think, you know what I'm saying? I think, you know, the feeling of something genuine, right? I mean, like we would go out to eat and someone amazing would bring us our food and the way they graced us with kindness.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Hospitality. It was a beautiful human interaction. Right. And we made it a point when the person didn't even know, we would go back to that restaurant and emphatically explain to the owner of that restaurant, what an amazing human being that person is. Not just that they did a great job. You are so lucky to have that human being, working with you in that business.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. So that's a compliment. Right? Right. But we would also tell the person while we were in their presence when they were bringing us a drink or food, we would exclaim our, good fortune and being in their company and being so thankful they brought us this amazing food. Do you know what I mean?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But we would also notice anything about them and like talk about it. Right. That's a </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">compliment. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:15]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I got ya. Look. Yeah. That's that, to me, that's the key, you know, there's a couple keys to, complimenting somebody, you know, obviously paying attention, uh, obviously being truthful and genuine cause saccharin compliments or icky, uh, being super specific.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And, , perhaps the most important, none, not necessarily the most important, but one of the other interesting kind of aspects of it is, mix it up as far as, um, you know, if somebody hears, you know, every day did it that, uh, I really like your dah, dah, dah, well, mix it up. Say, Y it's like, I like your shoes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">No, tell him why. I like those shoes. They're bold. And it's not even that hard. I mean, gang genuine well. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. All right. Well, but then you're complimenting a shoe rather than the person I know. I know, I know I it's, it's complicated, but if it's truly heartfelt, the shoe is the person's personality. Right. So that's okay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But there there's so many ways. There's so many ways to open this door and the art of the compliment is a beautiful gift. And there are so many ways we can explore this and this is what we're going to get into. And this thing , I'm putting together, but today, just for today, I want that to be the forefront of our consciousness is what we're noticing out there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">What are we noticing about the people in front of us. You may not even know that person.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:51]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, what are the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">good things we're noticing? Cause that's just, it it's, it's not about merely noticing who a person is, what a person does, et cetera, et cetera. it's really trying hard to focus on the good aspects and because what we focus on grows, the more good we see in others, the more good we see in </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">ourselves.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:12]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. I mean, obviously this is, I think why our culture in America especially is under so much duress is because there is no genuine respect. when we lose love and respect for each other, this is how we finally die. That's a quote from, that's a quote from Maya Angelou. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:34]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Ouch. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But it's true. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:36]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm not saying it's not true.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm just saying ouch, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:39]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but like, it's also a way to diffuse a situation. Like I remember having a conversation with your dad years ago, he was still pissed off at you years decades still pissed off and still he's, he's always pissed off at you, but like, I mean, were you a teenager when you bought your truck, you bought a Toyota.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:59]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I bought a Mazda. I wasn't even smart enough to buy a Toyota. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. No, actually the guy at the Toyota dealership pissed me off, so I couldn't buy a Toyota and, you know, shame on shame on him, shame on me. But yeah. Yeah, nevermind. Anyways, I bought them. Yeah. Right. Exactly. I bought a Mazda truck.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:19]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">he was still pissed off at you. He was still upset with you. Totally upset with you decades later because you did not buy American. Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Of course we have, we have a Japanese car now, too. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And so, so he was still holding onto that, of course. And he was getting all heated and loud when I was talking to him.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And. All of a sudden it happened naturally. So I'm not, I don't want you to think that I was manipulating the situation. It happened naturally where I was like, wow, I'm not getting anywhere, anywhere with this conversation. He just wants to express how upset he is. And I think deep down in me, somehow I realized his, his point of anger.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It was beyond not buying American and his ideals of how life should be. It was that he wasn't heard. Right. You didn't follow his guidance. You didn't follow his way of living like everything about you, probably is in defiance of who he is. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Wow. Oh, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">well, if he chooses to project that way, that's fine. I certainly think I certainly owned that for some, some amount of time, but I've let that go hopefully, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:40]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but I think, okay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Maybe that's coming out of my mouth wrong. I'm not, I'm not trying to disrespect you or your dad, but I just noticed in a split second. Wow. He feels maybe invalidated. Do you know what I mean? Because you didn't do what he expected. Right? Right. And so in that split second kind of the validation invalidation thing that came up, all of a sudden these words came out of my mouth.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It was not, I w I did not anticipate to say anything like that because I was getting mad at him for being mad at you. But by the grace of something, these words came out of my mouth. And I said, I really think that I didn't even say, think I said, oh my goodness, you have been such a beautiful provider for your family.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And he just, everything changed. Everything changed. It was about providing for him. Well, for him, it was about, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:44]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> that is one of his getting down to the core of the onion of who he is that is very important to him. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:50]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right. And so, but it was a compliment and it was genuine. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And you noticed,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I noticed and maybe no one ever thanked him for that in that way.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Maybe. I don't know. I can tell you, is that fighting kind of conversation that was happening completely got turned around, right. By a compliment that was genuine. Right. Because I realized, oh my goodness, this man, his sole mission is in his family life is to make sure everyone is provided for </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And everybody. Yeah. Everybody makes smart decisions and everybody is provided for, for sure. And, you know, even you just talking about that in a way of diffusing conflict, I always describe that we're both dealing, you know, certainly at work, we're both, we're both, uh, playing out the hand that we're dealt because sometimes you just end up in this naturally kind of combatitive situation with people and sometimes you can diffuse that</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">by finding something that, you genuinely appreciate or like about that person. And one of the ways that I seek to diffuse these kinds of situations, where you just end up just conflicting with somebody is a explaining where your own head is at, so that they get a sense for where you're at and B before any weirdness has a chance to happen, because there are people who you will conflict with just kind of happens.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Um, getting to know that person as a person. So that maybe you can lightening it you know, I've, I've been in, experiences, previous positions where I was working with somebody and he just drove me nuts all the time. I would say, Hey, what do you know about X? And he would say, oh yeah, I can help. I can help you with that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And he couldn't. Drove me nuts, but we had talked beforehand and I had gotten a sense for who he was as a person. I didn't necessarily, you know, I didn't agree with his political affiliation. I didn't agree with his, um, really any aspect of his life, but we could still talk about things like I knew we loved this truck so we could talk about his truck and I knew he loved to do of all things</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">uh, he did sports. And he was very competitive doing it. And you know what, be interested a little bit in everything. So I would ask him questions about things like that. And I would find out interesting nuggets, but the fact that I would dig into that, it kept us from really exploding later and it kept, and it was because I paid attention </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:33]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and really the key to everything is paying attention </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> to a lot of things.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's definitely paying </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">attention</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:39]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> , but you have to pay attention. Yeah. Like we were looking at a I'm sorry, go ahead. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:44]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And you have to be genuine and sincere. Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. Um, there so many ways also to offer up a compliment to gift someone that. It comes in many ways. It doesn't necessarily have to be with words.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Although, one of my favorite words, sometimes when I don't feel like talking and, and, you know, because it's now a zoom culture, sometimes I'll just type in yay with an exclamation point, right. Or, you know, talking about praise. That's another way to compliment. I mean, just like applause. If you look at babies and they do something amazing, which they do at every day of their lives, because everything is new and like they're learning something.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's like, everything is a major accomplishment. Learning how to swallow a blueberry properly is a major accomplishment. Remember the first time our baby ate solid food, not milk. We invited the neighbors over</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and this was on Bainbridge Island where friendship was very obscure. So they were looking at us like what?! We're like, yay. She ate blueberries, you know, like they were not having it. They were like, whatever, but do you know what I mean? But like, so just applause is great, uh, to congratulate someone, you know, the word congratulate means to wish joy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It is to wish joy. Amazing. You know, they're life, Is to be celebrated. I mean, even like we're going through a major hard times right now, you and I, and Elle and Allegra hard, like crying hard, but we're still able to enjoy and see the gifts in it. So no matter what's going on, right. You can, there is something to notice that is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">of great amazement for everyone when you pay attention to it. Yes. Right. Um, but like, you know, a simple, thank you. Thank you. When it's heartfelt, when you're feeling it much like smiling, you can smile and just stretch your lips out and bare your teeth. That is scary folks. But if you're smiling and you're feeling something that is genuine.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">As simple as that, you don't have to go searching. You have to just access a feeling. There's so much, there's so much we can get into with the art of the compliment, but that's just, those are just a few things to wet your whistle. Is that a term to just get the, to prime, the pump, to, to start to initiate the whole process, opening the doors to</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">a whole other friendly aspect of our world is the art of the compliment.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:52]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Now there is another aspect to complimenting and that is, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">A compliment is a conversation and we need to bear that in mind. Me personally. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. Okay. So every single academy awards show, I think you're shown time and time again.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">How not to accept a compliment and receiving an award is receiving a compliment. Obviously the first thing they do is they thank everybody who worked with them and I get that and totally, yes, no quote unquote great movie is made without the support of a village. I get it. But where I go a little nutty is you can't say, oh my goodness, you're nominated for best picture.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">How does that feel? You know, or, you know, and it's like, oh my God, it feels so amazing. But there's so many other people who, you know, so many other great movies. Why can't you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">just say, thank you?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:51]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Women, especially when you compliment a woman, have you noticed that they'll turn it down immediately and then when you reinstate it, when you retell them, like, no, I'm serious.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then it gets into a battle. Like they get upset and they're like, no, I'm like, whoa, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:09]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> they immediately have hesitate </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">which is the worst part,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> they discount it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:15]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. Sometimes, but sometimes they have to hesitate and then they have to find something to compliment on you. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:20]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. This is not re gifting and gifting guys.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">When you get a gift, just be joyful about the gift. You don't have to send the person a gift immediately right back, it destroys the whole thing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:34]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Obligation destroys compliments </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:36]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> obligation destroys everything. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:38]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It has a nasty habit.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:40]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, yeah, like, yeah, except, oh, and also it brings me like accepting a compliment. That's another whole, that's another day. That's another big conversation. The art of accepting a compliment, which brings us to complimenting your own self. Right? Like we used to. Not we used to, we still do love listening to a certain comedian, but he would say, you know, he'll get up in the morning and he'll say, damn, I look good today.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You look like all of five foot four today, you know? Yes. In my case, I look all of five feet tall today or, you know, just, wow. I did a good job here just to, in your, in your own spirit, in your own conversation to yourself in your own mind, how are ways you can compliment yourself? And why is it that we're so against doing that?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We're afraid to compliment ourselves. We're afraid to accept a compliment. What is that? Where did that come from? I shall investigate </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:53]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> well in Australia, they talk about tall poppy syndrome where the tallest poppies are the ones that get plucked and put into flower arrangements . So the shorter poppies are the ones who get to live and the tall poppies are the ones that get pulled as it were.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that might play into that. But you know, for me, yeah some mornings I'm like, you know, I try and be more thankful for things. And in the process of being thankful, it makes me feel good. You know, there's, there's a certain endorphin release in giving someone a genuine compliment that they get and just saying, oh my goodness, thank you so much.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Doesn't cut that in pieces, but saying, well, you know, really? Or, oh my goodness. Yeah. Look at your, um, um, um, um, shoes. They're very nice too. You're. You're you're cutting their ki man. You're like destroying their energy. Just accept </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:50]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yeah. Cutting ki. Reminds me high school guys. High school. There was a popular girl in our high school, like it was combat.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So the popular girl you may think of was not what you think of in movies. Like the popular girl. Yes, she was pretty, but she was like scary. Like she, she was violent and like, you know what I mean? She, ah, It was battle. It was like being in jail. Do you know what I mean? Like, there were certain people who would like just attack you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Um, but I remember I was standing there with someone I knew, and this is someone with a little mousy, you know, like it's a theme that plays throughout my educational career. Like I would be friends with someone that was very, very like weak or skinny or, you know, picked on. And so we were standing there together.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">This girl that was like very weak and skinny. Um, not that there's anything wrong with being skinny, but she was, I'm just saying she was very low key. Do you know what I mean? Her personality was low-key. She was quiet. Um, so here comes the popular girl and the friend I was standing next to, it was looking at the popular girl, the scary, popular girl, like scary as in like she'll shank you right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Okay. And so she comes up to her like in her face, the popular girl to this quiet girl and is like, what are you looking at? Right. Fighting words. And so my friend so gently, and so like instinctively, like it just naturally came out.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">She immediately said, With like such, I was looking into her eyes while she was doing this because I was like, oh my God, because I already got trash pickup fighting with this popular girl, like a few months before I was like, oh my God, am I going to get more trash pickup in a second? Um, but so I was looking at her trying to figure out, oh my God, what's the next move.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. But this girl like totally like her face. Totally like, um, Open, um, eyebrows, relaxed, everything, and just looked at her and said, I was looking at you, totally admiring you. I think you're really pretty. And this person, the popular girl, her mean demeanor, everything about her changed in an instant, because it was, it was a genuine compliment.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Sure everyone would tell her she's pretty. Cause she was pretty, she was the most popular girl in school, blah, blah, blah. But, but it was genuine, it disarmed this crazy situation. Right. But it was genuine. It wouldn't have worked </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">any other way. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah. And that's that's the key is genuineness. Yeah. As a matter of fact, my goodness.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yeah. High school, high school is a funny time. Isn't it? Yeah. I remember. Two compliments. I, I got one. I, I actually got one. Then I got second hand. And the first compliment I got was from a parent and they were like, oh my goodness your hair is like, so I don't know what was the word. It was like soft or clean or perfect or whatever it was.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I was sporting long hair in high school, so I was in trouble. And then the other compliment I got was through my mom actually, who heard it from the parent of somebody I was in class with. And they were like, yeah, Matt, Matt looks really tough and gruff, but he's a really good kid.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And you know, these, these are the things that stick with you because they're genuine because they weren't asked for because yeah, they were just, they were just lovely </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:39]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and you never knew the best compliments are from strangers. You know, sometimes I have described the scene before I'm going to say it again.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Cause it was, um, it was like a gift from an angel. I was at a grocery store parking lot, very crowded. And our kids were very little and it's, it's tough wrangling, a whole bunch of groceries going through like, um, you know, a certain, uh, A certain parking lot that I don't want to mention that certain people go to, to buy groceries.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Their mentality is definitely very selfish. Right, right. And so maneuvering that. You know, people don't pay attention to how they're coming and going the way they're driving, the way they're pulling out of the parking lot. So when you're a mom and you're carrying all these groceries and you have two little kids who are like that, you're trying to wrangle and keep </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">safe in this environment, you know, so that was happening and I turned it into a song or something. I don't remember exactly what we were doing, but we started laughing. But at the same time, I was like holding everybody and kind of like, you know, describing the world around us that was kind of dangerous at the moment, but treating it like ha ha you know, like keeping it safe and fun.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Again, I don't remember exactly what it was, but this is what I do remember: when I reached the car and I opened the hatch to put this stuff in, as I was putting the stuff in and the kids were still like, kind of running wild and I was trying to hold them together towards me. This woman came up to me I had never met before and she gets in my face and she's like, and she said, I want to let you know what a great mother you are.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I paused, and I almost wanted to cry because you know, you don't always, most of the time you don't feel like a good mother. Right. Most of the time you feel guilty. Most of the time you feel like you're messing things up, you know, you said the wrong thing, you had the wrong tone. You should have been doing this while you were doing this other thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Um, all this is constantly going in your head and we were going through a really hard times back then. So, you know, once in a while I did yell at the kids, but every time I did apologize, you know what I mean? Like I made sure I never did what I did again, but I'm a human being. And the kids, you know, I would have talks with them, but I always felt bad, nonetheless, that I did maybe once in a while would lose my temper.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know what I mean? Especially in a parking lot, which didn't happen that day. Right. But I, I do remember one time I did lose my mind in a parking lot because I got so scared that one of our kids was about to get run over by a car. I got scared. Okay. And I yelled. And so that's what I remembered when she said you're such a good mother.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I want you to remember that. Like, it was prophetic that she said that to me. And I think she even described why she thought I was a good mother, but like I was in shock. Um, but it was heartfelt. I could tell. And she crossed the parking lot to tell me, cause I watched her go again, like cross to go back to her car.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Um, but. I don't know how long after that something bad happened. And you were in the hospital, we almost lost you. You almost died. So we were going through a lot. And so one day, um, at home we just had messed up neighbors. They were racist. They were mean they were nosy. You know, they never offered to help when they saw the ambulance has come and take you away.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They just looked at it like they were watching a movie. Right, right. So, um, when things were okay, when you were safe, when you were okay, but you were still in the hospital. I was just mad at the world.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And then. Something happened. And I was, I came down to the little patio area that we had and there was like, um, a toy and I threw, I threw the toy. I threw it at the wind chime. Like it hit the wind chime. I didn't throw it on purpose. I was just trying to clean up and it hit this thing hit the wind chime.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So it sounded like maybe like broken glass. I don't know. So long story short, the neighbor called the police. Right that I was abusing the children, which was not at all the case. The police came and I was in shock. I was like, what? And they were like, yeah, we heard that. Um, the neighbors think that you're doing something to the kids.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm like, what? And they're like, we're going to have to see the kids. I'm like, okay. So the kids were right there. The kids come in, all smiling and offering the cops sushi.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And literally the whole thing lasted not even 30 seconds. The cops were like, obviously this was a misunderstanding, um, have a good day. But that, to this day, that was years ago to this day. Anyone who knocks on her door I'm traumatized every day. But I always remember that compliment I got from that woman.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. You're good. It was like an angel. She was, she specifically said, I want you to remember you're a good mom and that saves my life.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Sorry. So you'd never know. I think the most important compliments are the ones you give to strangers. So don't be afraid to whatever comes into your heart, you feel like saying, just do it because you'd never know. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:58]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Definitely true. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You never know how it could help someone. Can you close it out? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:09]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm not sure I can. Oh my goodness.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's a lot of emotions obviously circled around this, but just pay attention. Be truthful, be genuine, be specific is another good one. And when somebody gives you a compliment for goodness sake thank </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">them. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. You just have to say, thank you. And then you'll get used to it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:36]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Or like, thank you. You're so sweet or et cetera, but yeah, absolutely.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Just be grateful.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">And don't learn from Hollywood. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:45]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What do you mean?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:46]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It's an honor just to be nominated. Oh my goodness. No, just say, oh my goodness. Thank you so </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">much. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:51]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And do it with a, a genuine heart with a gentleness. You know, I've heard this story about, um, oh, I'm blanking out on her name, a very famous Broadway actor, female.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">But she, at the end of her performance, you know how they throw roses, someone threw roses and it hit her on the head really hard. And it had thorns and everything. Cause she was still thankful for the roses, but like, it's kind of like the compliment. Make sure you point it a certain way. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:28]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Don't try and beat somebody in the head.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:30]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Think about the velocity,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">all that. Anyway, I can't talk </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> my voice. Well, no. And that's another aspect of complimenting someone is don't leave it with something maybe left unsaid or even said, like, oh my goodness. She looks so youthful </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> because you're not, you lost weight. Why. That's not a compliment folks. Okay. How about just you look </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:58]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> good.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:58]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Anyway, I want to stop it here. Um, so be have that in your consciousness, the art of the compliment and, um, I mean, be thankful for just general term now, like, Ugh, but just, just have it be in your consciousness. What you notice, especially the things that go unnoticed, like mothers, all the things that mothers do go unnoticed.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If you could just point out one thing how amazing that is even you Matt. I love that in the morning, you just take care of stuff. Thank you. It's very thoughtful of you. I appreciate that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:42]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You're welcome.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:43]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You know, like people were used to seeing every single day, day in and day out, especially people at work to compliment things that go unnoticed, look out for the things that go unnoticed.</span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[How can a compliment open the doors to friendship or even save someone's life? We discuss in this episode of "The Art of the Compliment" as we understand the ways to establish joy, kindness, and sincerity and see how a compliment is an invitation to a beautiful friendship. What is the difference between COMPLIMENT and COMPLEMENT? We discuss this question and much more.
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[00:00:00] Fawn: you complete me Hello? Hello. Hello. Welcome back. Are you ready for a very intense, not intense in a negative way, but an in depth topic, a topic I'm actually going to teach a course on 
[00:00:14] Matt: super serious. 
[00:00:16] Fawn: It's not super serious, but it has a lot of moving parts and it's quite deep actually. 
[00:00:22] Matt: Would you 
 it more nuanced?. 
[00:00:23] Fawn: I don't like that word, but it's the art of the compliment.
[00:00:32] Matt: Oh, dear. 
[00:00:32] Fawn: Much like when you come into our home and all of the different homes we've had since the big house we used to own that, you know, through the pitfalls of society, went to hell and ever since then, we've been so gunshy. Ugh, gunshy. We've been so resistant on owning property ever again because of what happened in the financial crisis some years ago, that is, seems to be happening again.
But whatever, we've moved a lot since then, and it's never been a place that's been ours, it's been some rentals and some of them have been ugly, depressing, just ugly , gray. It started with the first apartment we had after we lost the house.
it was Valentine's day. We've said this story before. Sorry, but quick refresher. It was Valentine's day. Matt had this job with this horrible person there that was stressing him out so much. It was awful. It was horrible. It was Valentine's day. And. I was teaching our little, little, little girls and I decided, all right, let's do an art project.
 We cut hundreds of hearts out of different kinds of paper, different colors, everything. And then I got like sewing thread and I attached them to the hearts and I hung them on the ceiling.
I taped them on the ceiling in the entryway. So when Matt came home, he had to walk through this hall of hearts. So many hearts and they were low enough where his forehead would get touched by a heart walking throug...]]>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>We discuss the art of conversation as the basis for the art of friendship, as we share three main components for conversing (Invite Insight Incite). We explore social-emotional learning and how we can feel and dance together no matter how difficult the topic of conversation or the particular life situation we may be in.</p>
<p>#conversation, #Invite, #Invitation, #Insight, #Incite, #TheArtofConversation, #Social-emotionalLearning, #Theartoffriendship, #ESL</p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Welcome </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">back to our friendly world, everyone. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Reflecting on the art of friendship, we are starting a conversation on the art of conversation. I'm gonna start with some definitions. First, obviously conversation. Let's look at that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's a noun the use of speech for informal exchange of views, ideas or information simple. Right? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Sounds like </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:26]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, you know, I always try to have conversation, but you really have to get a feel for what's going on and you have to get a feel for what the person is going through and where they stand in life.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Do they have a very strong core, a strong sense of self. I wanna say that previous generations didn't have that, or they didn't have that once they started experiencing a lot of other stresses, a lot of other things that would cause them to stretch, for example, having children or just, you know, Obviously with having children, it causes you to be thinking of other people and having your lives have this inter dance back and forth.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm just talking about this because everything you're going through with your family right now, right? Your mom is passing. People under duress or under stress.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Start misbehaving and there's no. Oh, here we go. Matt's going to start. Um, no, well, I'm keep it easy. The apologia starts coming in. So, you know, when you're speaking with someone, they don't hear what you're saying. When you speak to a crowd, when you're speaking to one person, they only can understand through a filtered process</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">of their own experiences in life for them to understand what you're saying. So they're not hearing what you are saying. They're hearing only from their perspective. So for example, if they're used to looking at certain shades of blue all the time, </span></span></p>
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[00:00:00] Fawn: Welcome 
back to our friendly world, everyone. 
[00:00:03] Matt: Hello
[00:00:04] Fawn: Reflecting on the art of friendship, we are starting a conversation on the art of conversation. I'm gonna start with some definitions. First, obviously conversation. Let's look at that.
It's a noun the use of speech for informal exchange of views, ideas or information simple. Right? 
[00:00:25] Matt: Sounds like 
it. 
[00:00:26] Fawn: Well, you know, I always try to have conversation, but you really have to get a feel for what's going on and you have to get a feel for what the person is going through and where they stand in life.
Do they have a very strong core, a strong sense of self. I wanna say that previous generations didn't have that, or they didn't have that once they started experiencing a lot of other stresses, a lot of other things that would cause them to stretch, for example, having children or just, you know, Obviously with having children, it causes you to be thinking of other people and having your lives have this inter dance back and forth.
I'm just talking about this because everything you're going through with your family right now, right? Your mom is passing. People under duress or under stress.
Start misbehaving and there's no. Oh, here we go. Matt's going to start. Um, no, well, I'm keep it easy. The apologia starts coming in. So, you know, when you're speaking with someone, they don't hear what you're saying. When you speak to a crowd, when you're speaking to one person, they only can understand through a filtered process
of their own experiences in life for them to understand what you're saying. So they're not hearing what you are saying. They're hearing only from their perspective. So for example, if they're used to looking at certain shades of blue all the time, 
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                    <![CDATA[<p>We discuss the art of conversation as the basis for the art of friendship, as we share three main components for conversing (Invite Insight Incite). We explore social-emotional learning and how we can feel and dance together no matter how difficult the topic of conversation or the particular life situation we may be in.</p>
<p>#conversation, #Invite, #Invitation, #Insight, #Incite, #TheArtofConversation, #Social-emotionalLearning, #Theartoffriendship, #ESL</p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Welcome </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">back to our friendly world, everyone. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Reflecting on the art of friendship, we are starting a conversation on the art of conversation. I'm gonna start with some definitions. First, obviously conversation. Let's look at that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's a noun the use of speech for informal exchange of views, ideas or information simple. Right? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Sounds like </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:26]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, you know, I always try to have conversation, but you really have to get a feel for what's going on and you have to get a feel for what the person is going through and where they stand in life.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Do they have a very strong core, a strong sense of self. I wanna say that previous generations didn't have that, or they didn't have that once they started experiencing a lot of other stresses, a lot of other things that would cause them to stretch, for example, having children or just, you know, Obviously with having children, it causes you to be thinking of other people and having your lives have this inter dance back and forth.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm just talking about this because everything you're going through with your family right now, right? Your mom is passing. People under duress or under stress.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Start misbehaving and there's no. Oh, here we go. Matt's going to start. Um, no, well, I'm keep it easy. The apologia starts coming in. So, you know, when you're speaking with someone, they don't hear what you're saying. When you speak to a crowd, when you're speaking to one person, they only can understand through a filtered process</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">of their own experiences in life for them to understand what you're saying. So they're not hearing what you are saying. They're hearing only from their perspective. So for example, if they're used to looking at certain shades of blue all the time, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:08]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> welcome, and to that show, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:10]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and then you come into. What do you mean?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Welcome to that show. I'm trying to say </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">something. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:14]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> We talked about how colors in different societies </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">are different. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:18]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. But what I'm saying is if you're used to looking at a certain shade of blue as an example, right. It's just a total random example. And then I come in and I say, oh, I found a great blue jacket and you immediately go to the blue you're used to thinking about, but I found a blue that is not even in your reality. You're only capable of hearing and envisioning the blue that you know of and not the blue that I know of. So you have to get, you have to put all these things into perspective. I actually started thinking about this years ago, because when I worked with Horst, Horst Rechelbacher owner, the CEO of Aveda.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's one of the things he would say to the crowds all the time, he would give the most amazing talks. Amazing before there were Ted talks, amazing talks. And one of the things he would always tell people is, as I'm talking to you, the audience, you're not hearing a word I'm saying because you're only hearing through your perspective.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And it's very, I don't remember the words he was saying. Haha. Um, but he was basically saying that. You don't hear what I'm saying. You only hear what you are able to hear from your perspective, from your baggage, from your life experience. So keep that in mind when people are experiencing hardship. So I'm not a believer of being quiet, but in this instance , I would say this is a good time to be quiet and just listen to people and try not to speak too much.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">For example, I got into a fight with Matt because I was trying to soothe him during the time, obviously right now with family and, and it's very, it's a very sad time. It's a challenging time. It's a stressful time. I was trying to say something to soothe him. He completely misunderstood what I said and was no longer even wanting to hear what I was trying to say.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">He just wanted to fight. And it's because he needed, this is my assessment of people, not just with Matt, he needed comfort. And when people are beyond stretched past their elasticity beyond their ability to stretch or bend, they will snap, and you just. You have to kind of get a feel for it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And there are times to be quiet. And I think I'm going to go back on what I said a little bit on a previous show. There are times to be quiet because you really need to hear someone. And I was having a conversation with some friends. We were talking about previous generations seem to be acting up right now.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They're not unable to hear their children. And I think it's because they're under so much stress that. Because you don't have a strong sense of self, maybe from that generation, you become parents earlier. Like our parents and their parents had children early, so they didn't really get a chance to explore their core; to explore who they really were, how they can handle different situations. and once you have children, I think there comes a time where they turn into children under times of stress. And I think everybody does that. Everybody turns into a toddler and it's hard to always be the parent and have someone lash out at you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And you just not fight back and not react, but still hold them in a loving way, even though you hate them in that moment. Which has happened to me with you, Matt. I hated you a few days ago, like I was done, but at the same time, I understood where you were coming from and I understood that you needed comfort and you were not able to understand what I was saying.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You weren't able to hear the conversation because your baggage at that point, your capacity at that point was filled to the max. And there was nothing but stress. Do you wanna say something before I go into the other definitions? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:34]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, of course </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I do. Oh my goodness. Yeah. I wanna circle all the way back to, you know, realize shared vocabulary.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Some of us, you know, it it's a different thing. And when we talked about, uh, the episode, we started talking about colors. There are societies out there who don't even identify colors further than light colors and dark colors and on and on down this interesting spectrum, which makes it an interesting thing to attempt to communicate.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">In addition, if somebody is a native Spanish speaker, there is no way they're gonna buy a car called Nova, because that means won't go. So understanding communication issues. And these are, these are, these are drastic and humongous, but it can even be more subtle from region to region in the us. Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:22]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Absolutely. And you have to, we have to remember that we're all so much more interconnected than ever before. That we have to keep, keep all these things in mind. Like, for example, in a lighthearted way. I remember years ago I was listening to an interview with Salma Hayek, and it was one of the first big movies she did in the United States.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And they called her, um, what's the term sex bomb? Like a sex, a sex pot? No, it had to do with bomb, like sex. Uh, she's a sex, but anyway, it was, it was, I forget the word now she </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:00]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> a bombshell?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:01]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. Yeah, I think that was it. Okay. And she thought, oh no, that's terrible because she thought bomb like destroyer. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:11]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> We bombshell.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I mean, that's, that's kind of, I, I always envision, like if you take it and go abstract it away to its raw form, to me, it's a big crater in the ground, which I know that's not a bombshell either, but that's what, that's what I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">equate it to </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> well, like, okay. So I don't wanna really get in, get into this aspect too much today because I wanna talk about the art of conversation and I know this is a part of it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I just, I don't wanna get stuck here. I'm just saying, oh no, my phone is ringing there are. Hmm.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But moving on, I just wanna say it's not only with culture. It's about a sense of capacity, which we always talk about. Right. How much capacity does a person have? You kind of have to get a feel for it. And it's something that you, I don't know. Is it innate Matt? I mean, I think babies are kind of born with a sense of what's going on.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like they know when to coo. Their whole appearance takes on the appearance of the parent that may, that they may need to have the parent be more attached to, you know what I'm saying? Absolutely. Like babies end up looking like the dad, if the dad is aloof a little bit. So the dad looks at the baby like, oh, it's one </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">of me, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:47]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Welcome to evolution, right? It's the whole. Like baby's eyes are a little bit bigger and, you know, babies start to, I guess they coo and smile and all that kind of stuff, as a way of almost forcing their parents to attach to them and the scream that's again, evolutionarily designed because when the baby needs something, so </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> that's a form of now that's a form of conversation right there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:12]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Absolutely. It's a very raw form. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So I wanna say that we're born with it. So everyone is born with the ability to sense a situation and sense how to communicate and sense how the conversation's going to go. With tone, with sound, with words, with whatever, with expressions</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">there's, um, there's a lot involved in a conversation. It doesn't even have to be with words. You can have a full on. Conversation without a word being spoken. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:43]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And that's why video chat and things can convey so much more information than can be conveyed in just like a, an audio phone chat.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So let's continue on. Part of a conversation I think there are three eyes. There's so many eyes actually like there's me, me, me, me, me and there. So I, I brought it down to three i's. The letter I.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Three of the things I'm gonna choose for today with the art of conversation for having an art of friendship is incite, insight, and invite. So it's probably gonna start with invite and then insight and then incite, all right. Let's, let's start with invite.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Look up the word invite, you get the definition. explaining insight using insight to describe what invite means, but it's a, it's a request. It's a participation of. It's to increase the likelihood of. Now my definition is to bring in, to call in, to embrace, to bring in that's the definition of invite, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The other thing, I think that works , in forming a conversation is insight; the ability to see; seeing into something or a situation or someone; to understand. It's about intuiting. It's about discernment. It's about feeling the inner nature of things. And by things that could be people, it could be the situation, but that's insight.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And to incite I N C I T E it's to put into motion, to move to action, to spur on it's I guess in our culture, it means to stir things up, Usually when you incite, you are inciting a riot or something. Right. Does it always have to be so negative? Like does it always have to be a riotous? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:51]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> No, it doesn't.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But people have a hard time really with stillness, with quietness, with incite, because, you know, I can incite new ways of thinking </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:01]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> These three things invite insight and incite are ways to explore a conversation. Can you have a conversation? And still incite someone? Incite as in like stir things up and have it be friendly. Can you still have a cordial situation?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Someone once said invite not incite, but I think once going back to what I was saying before, once you're comfortable with your core, once you know who you really are, once you know your yourself, once you have what was, what, how did I explain it? Like previous generations don't really, didn't really get to explore their core.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. Um, of who they really are, so they can get thrown off by words or a situation. I think that's when you can say invite, not in incite because you're afraid the person may snap. Right. But I think once we become comfortable with conversation and have enough conversation happening that our muscles become very, flexible.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">We're more elastic. We're more elastic in our emotions, our heart, our flexibility is, is open to be comfortable with hearing something you may not be comfortable with or being open to hearing something that is so out of your realm of understanding at the moment that you won't get upset, but you'll be open and curious and not get so bent out of shape, not take things so personally where it's like a dagger hitting you and destroying you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So incite, that word uh, I'm like, it can go either way because I would love to have conversations with friends and, you know, I've always imagined having a big, long table, which we do, but we are not using it for friends right now, but like having a big, long table where everyone is eating together and playing music and having conversation, I would like to have not only insightful conversations, like I can see something, but like to be,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">to have that incite, like to have that action, to have things be stirred up. I want that, not in a negative way, but in a good way. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I got you. Um, you know, it can be something as simple as when I was in junior high school, they wanted us to sell the dorky candles inside of glass containers and go door to door.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And, and the guy came in and he gave his pitch, oh my goodness, was I ready to go sell, sell, sell? Unfortunately, I still had a full day of classes before I went out to go sell, sell sell. And by that time I had lost it, but that is, he was trying to incite us to sell. Which is at least not so feel so negative, like inciting a riot, but just, you know, inciting new ways of thinking, incite new ways of dwelling on things.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Absolutely. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:05]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And the art of conversation, really conversation. Another definition for it is living among . It's about familiarity. It's about intimacy. And just going back to that when you are comfortable in that, when you're comfortable within yourself and you are comfortable with getting to know someone, it's not going to turn into a tumultuous kind of situation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I think that's where the art of conversation comes in. And really we're getting into social, emotional learning SEL. Right. And unfortunately, I don't think we talk about that enough in our culture, in our society, social, emotional learning. We're all about high IQs. We're all about scores for tests in school.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know, how smart are you? What are your points? What are your numbers? What's your grade point average, but we never talk about the emotional IQs and just learning. Learning the art of the social emotional interactions, because there are so many cues like the baby, there are so many cues you can say, well, baby, can't have a conversation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well, indeed they do have conversation with you. It's through eyes. And if they can't see it is through sound through noise through, through creating body movements. There's so many ways to communicate. A deaf person can totally communicate. You know, I always talk about the art of the voice. The voice is an amazing tool to get information across, but </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">it's not just the voice. There are other amazing tools that we use. In the there's so much in this beautiful package of a conversation. And we have so much, so much we can use, we have so many tools and I really want to explore the entire art of conversation. I think that's key. It's the key to friendship it's and you know, and I always say friendship is the key to everything and really it's conversation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You can't have a good friendship without good conversation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It helps you deal with change. It's dealing with separateness interconnectedness. It's dealing with a sense of entitlement. Do not underestimate your capacity, your energy to create a ripple of good that will vibrate and resonate across the world; putting your consciousness towards wellbeing for all of humanity.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The power of you is immense. Your power is immense. You have so many, we all have all these tools. and we need to shine them, get 'em all shiny, again, to put them to use again and empower each other to transform the world where it's about love, beauty, nourishment, joy. All this can happen through conversation is what I'm saying.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:09]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And sometimes the conversation is literally like firing something off across the void and not ever knowing what kind of ripples that it, it ends up generating. We've all had that moment where somebody's connected with us when we're in a challenging state, let's say, and it really touches us.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And maybe we don't have the capacity at that point to even communicate it back to them. Mm-hmm but it's still important. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And I think one of the reasons why people don't instigate a conversation is when they're afraid of rejection. Like we were talking about this. We were talking about why is it that, um, we're always, it seems like, it seems like guys, I don't wanna sound like a jerk, but like, it seems like that we're saying to, to each other in the privacy of our home, it seems like we're just saying, Hey, we're the only ones that seem to start a conversation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know what I mean? No one else calls us first. No one else texts us first. So I was telling you, you were saying, oh, look at you, you're so popular. We get so many texts every day. And really it's because I text people first, right. I, I go through this whole ritual where I scroll the phone and I'm thinking about each person.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I say something to that one person. and then, then the conversation starts and then all the texts come rolling through and they're all great because they're all feel good texts. Or even if someone's having a hard time. It's still a bonding moment and that's a feel good thing. Even if I'm having a terrible time, it's still a feel good moment because we're connecting.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. Do you know what I mean? I was raw enough, open enough to say, oh my God guys help. Do you know what I mean? Right. Yeah. But I'm not so needy where I'm just like a vampire about it. I'm just like, get a load of this, help. Like what would you do? oh my God. What's happening? Do you know what I mean? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Absolutely.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Uh, to. What was it? It was probably a number of weeks ago now, but, uh, I, I just decided to text people, you know, happy daylight savings time or happy daylight savings day or whatever. It was just being stupid. Cause I look for excuses to just pop off and the people look for excuses to just pop back and everybody, I texted texted me something back and they were all a little, a little snarky or a little funny.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. It was good. , it's just a way of saying, Hey, I see you over there. And that's what we're really looking for. Right. As a society we're looking for, Hey, I see you. And I'm getting this message more and more </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">often</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> it's like jumping into a lake or a swimming pool, and it's hard because it's gonna be cold and it's uncomfortable.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But once you jump in the water's fine </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> or, or being the first person to ask a girl to dance in elementary school, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:03]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah, I prefer my water thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:06]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I know. I, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:07]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> because once you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">jump in, you're like, yay. It's so much fun. The water's fine. I didn't really go to dances. So I think you were more social than I was in junior high and high school.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Oh yeah. I was </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> super social. No, I was that guy in the corner going, gee, I wish I could, or </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:24]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I think I only went to one dance if you don't include the prom, which I, by the way, I wish I had never gone to prom. People always say like, oh my God, you're gonna regret it, if you don't go. And I was thinking the whole time,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I don't wanna go. I don't think I'm gonna regret it, but I think the pressure of society saying you're gonna regret it for the rest of your life. I'm like, okay. So I spent all this money. Okay. And I went the whole time, I was like, no, I wish I hadn't gone . </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:53]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Dang. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:53]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Honestly, seriously. I had things to do. I did not have a normal childhood I had things to do.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm serious.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I get it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:01]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I was working, I had jobs. I was trying to get money together. I was trying to get my situation together so I could go to college. Right. I had no help from family. Mm-hmm I had things to do. I did. I spent all this money on, you know, sharing a limo and getting a dress and hairdo for what, you know, I was not into it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:23]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I completely get it. I went to one formal dance, not at my high school either. I got invited by a girl to her high school. That was kind of an obnoxious, annoying, interesting, fun situation. Although the pictures were God awful. I'm really, really sorry, Patty. She was fine. I was terrible. I was just bug eyed, but anyways, um, I don't know.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I, I don't know if I regret it, but I didn't rent a limo. Borrowed mom's car. I I'm I'm yeah. I did rent a tux, but that's, as far as it went and I got a, I got a cute little, oh my God corsage thing for her, but that was it, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:58]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> babe. I'm glad you went to whatever that was, but we're getting off track okay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So this is the art of conversation. Yes. And I think, I think I just wanna leave it at that. What I challenge, you know what , you know what, forget it, scratch that word challenge. What. What I think we should do is really look at how we approach conversation. But first, think about what you think about conversation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">What is, what does conversation mean to you? And maybe we need to reprogram what we think it is, and be more, I guess, insightful about picking up cues from another person. You may have to use your super spidey senses to understand. Or to get an insight on what the other person is going through. So you may need to navigate gently or jump in there and be wildly conservative, not conservative.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">What's the word? Conversational, but just jump in </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah, absolutely feel, feel it you've, you've gotta kinda, you gotta kinda let go of your inhibitions and just, you know, for me it would be something like, Hey, happy national cheese day or something. And maybe that begins, maybe that sparks a conversation or, you know, um, I saw this on the news and maybe think of you or who </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">knows, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I think we </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">should also get into maybe the next show or the next day, another day.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Let's talk about the art of the invitation. Because how you invite yourself into a situation, how you invite a situation to come into your life, how you invite a friend over how you invite someone for coffee, how you invite someone to inhabit a space with you. That space could be walking out there in the world.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It could be studying together. It could be anything. But I think the invitation is now the next step to really understand what is an invitation starting with yourself. What do you want to invite in your life? What kind of friendship do you wanna invite into your life? What kind of people do you wanna invite?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And when you invite them, what's it gonna look like? You know, are you going to, let's say like going back to our home. Wherever we move to, we always have a forest of hearts hanging from the ceiling. So the person gets kissed walking through the hallway, coming into the home. They get kissed on the forehead by all these hearts that hit 'em on the forehead because they're moving through a forest of hearts and it could be all kind of different hearts.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It could be made out paper. It could be whatever, just something beautiful to remind the person to kind of anoint them. With love, you know, that's how that's one way I decided to bring that in. That's how I chose to invite Matt into our home one day when he was coming home from a miserable job, you know, he would get kissed not only by us, but by all these hearts and also leaving your home, inviting yourself to go out in the world.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're kissed by those hearts again. So it's a constant reminder of the invitation. We're inviting love. What do you want to invite? And that's it, invite insight and incite, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:32]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> indeed. And honestly, I think the key to that is sincere. And from you uniquely, you know, what is uniquely you, how can you best express your sense of hospitality and welcoming and love, frankly?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">We should be definitely sharing the love, spreading love to our friends, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I think you're right. Even before the love, spreading authenticity, you may not be feeling love at the moment, but if it's authentic and if it's not like vampire ish, you know, if you're able to give while you're getting, do you know what I mean?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If it's a dance, right? You can't dance with someone that's constantly like pulling you. Do you know what I mean? And taking that's that's that's combat, but it's give and take, like, you know, you walk backwards and then you walk forwards and you walk back and forth together. That's I think a good conversation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And then that's just the beginning of the art of conversation. Let us know what you think. I think I wanna wrap it up. Okay. That's a, I mean, that's, that's quite something to think about. So just be mindful of the art of conversation. I think that's the key to world peace guys. Come on, love you. You wanna close it up or do you wanna say something else?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm good. You're good. Be well, you're not mad at me for saying I was mad at you. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:59]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> We can get started </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">on </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> that, but what's the point? No, you're just gonna do the apologia, which means you're just gonna defend yourself when you were clearly wrong. Combat combat. All right. Nevermind clear love is winning.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Stop it. Oh my God. He just did an Aikido move in the air and I felt stop it. Oh, um, alright. We'll talk to you in a few days. Please reach out to us. Go to our friendly world podcast.com and leave us a note. If you wanna have a zoom date, please let me know I'm here. All right, love you guys. Talk to you later. Bye.</span></span></p>]]>
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[00:00:00] Fawn: Welcome 
back to our friendly world, everyone. 
[00:00:03] Matt: Hello
[00:00:04] Fawn: Reflecting on the art of friendship, we are starting a conversation on the art of conversation. I'm gonna start with some definitions. First, obviously conversation. Let's look at that.
It's a noun the use of speech for informal exchange of views, ideas or information simple. Right? 
[00:00:25] Matt: Sounds like 
it. 
[00:00:26] Fawn: Well, you know, I always try to have conversation, but you really have to get a feel for what's going on and you have to get a feel for what the person is going through and where they stand in life.
Do they have a very strong core, a strong sense of self. I wanna say that previous generations didn't have that, or they didn't have that once they started experiencing a lot of other stresses, a lot of other things that would cause them to stretch, for example, having children or just, you know, Obviously with having children, it causes you to be thinking of other people and having your lives have this inter dance back and forth.
I'm just talking about this because everything you're going through with your family right now, right? Your mom is passing. People under duress or under stress.
Start misbehaving and there's no. Oh, here we go. Matt's going to start. Um, no, well, I'm keep it easy. The apologia starts coming in. So, you know, when you're speaking with someone, they don't hear what you're saying. When you speak to a crowd, when you're speaking to one person, they only can understand through a filtered process
of their own experiences in life for them to understand what you're saying. So they're not hearing what you are saying. They're hearing only from their perspective. So for example, if they're used to looking at certain shades of blue all the time, 
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                    <![CDATA[A Kind World - Finding Freedom and Truth During a Tumultuous Time, with Barry Lane]]>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>Our Kindness expert, Barry Lane is back to remind us that "Kindness is Truth, Kindness is Freedom."</p>
<p>Barry soothes our nerves with his sweet songs (two new songs as we record live in Barry's studio - the second song is way at the end, so make sure you catch it) and words of wisdom as we navigate a possible WWIII, Civil War, life... and shows us HOPE and reminds us that everything is going to be OK.</p>
<p>There are two new songs as we record live in Barry's studio - the second song is way at the end, so make sure you catch it.</p>
<p>Barry: <a href="https://forcefieldforgood.com/">https://forcefieldforgood.com/</a></p>
<p>Barry's book: </p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Force-Field-Barry-Colleen-Mestdagh/dp/1931492298/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1491102856&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=force+field+for+good+barry+lane">https://www.amazon.com/Force-Field-Barry-Colleen-Mestdagh/dp/1931492298/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1491102856&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=force+field+for+good+barry+lane</a></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Um, yeah. So how am I doing well? Um, yeah, um, challenging, um, to be honest, uh,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:08]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> what's going on? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah... So my mom right now is in hospice, so she's transitioning and I'm not dealing with it. Well, So an episode on kindness is going to be especially kind of challenging for me. Um, one of my favorite shows, which shouldn't be one of my favorite shows, but it is; it's "After Life" with Ricky Gervais , which is about a man who loses his wife and is falling over the whole time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And the only time he cries um, in the show, cause he's, he's, he's a, he's just an ass to everyone. Like he has so much hate and so much rage and so much, and he just doesn't care anymore. And he's like, and he starts crying and they're like, oh, don't cry. He's like, it's not the world I have a problem with it's kindness</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I can't handle. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> That's interesting.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So when somebody is kind to him, it kind of tears apart, this big ginormous shield he has around him, so he can't be hurt. Um, and that's kind of where my head is at. I'm kind of going bouncing back and forth. Um, you know, my kids, they understand, but don't understand. And, and yeah, it's, it's, it's hard.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's been, it's been challenging so </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:22]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> Is your mom nearby?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> No, my mom's in California. And, you know, my mom has said specifically that she doesn't w...</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Our Kindness expert, Barry Lane is back to remind us that "Kindness is Truth, Kindness is Freedom."
Barry soothes our nerves with his sweet songs (two new songs as we record live in Barry's studio - the second song is way at the end, so make sure you catch it) and words of wisdom as we navigate a possible WWIII, Civil War, life... and shows us HOPE and reminds us that everything is going to be OK.
There are two new songs as we record live in Barry's studio - the second song is way at the end, so make sure you catch it.
Barry: https://forcefieldforgood.com/
Barry's book: 
https://www.amazon.com/Force-Field-Barry-Colleen-Mestdagh/dp/1931492298/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1491102856&sr=8-1&keywords=force+field+for+good+barry+lane
 
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[00:00:00] Matt: Um, yeah. So how am I doing well? Um, yeah, um, challenging, um, to be honest, uh,
[00:00:08] Barry: what's going on? 
[00:00:09] Matt: Yeah... So my mom right now is in hospice, so she's transitioning and I'm not dealing with it. Well, So an episode on kindness is going to be especially kind of challenging for me. Um, one of my favorite shows, which shouldn't be one of my favorite shows, but it is; it's "After Life" with Ricky Gervais , which is about a man who loses his wife and is falling over the whole time.
And the only time he cries um, in the show, cause he's, he's, he's a, he's just an ass to everyone. Like he has so much hate and so much rage and so much, and he just doesn't care anymore. And he's like, and he starts crying and they're like, oh, don't cry. He's like, it's not the world I have a problem with it's kindness
I can't handle. 
[00:00:56] Barry: That's interesting.
[00:00:57] Matt: So when somebody is kind to him, it kind of tears apart, this big ginormous shield he has around him, so he can't be hurt. Um, and that's kind of where my head is at. I'm kind of going bouncing back and forth. Um, you know, my kids, they understand, but don't understand. And, and yeah, it's, it's, it's hard.
It's been, it's been challenging so 
[00:01:22] Barry: Is your mom nearby?
[00:01:23] Matt: No, my mom's in California. And, you know, my mom has said specifically that she doesn't w...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>Our Kindness expert, Barry Lane is back to remind us that "Kindness is Truth, Kindness is Freedom."</p>
<p>Barry soothes our nerves with his sweet songs (two new songs as we record live in Barry's studio - the second song is way at the end, so make sure you catch it) and words of wisdom as we navigate a possible WWIII, Civil War, life... and shows us HOPE and reminds us that everything is going to be OK.</p>
<p>There are two new songs as we record live in Barry's studio - the second song is way at the end, so make sure you catch it.</p>
<p>Barry: <a href="https://forcefieldforgood.com/">https://forcefieldforgood.com/</a></p>
<p>Barry's book: </p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Um, yeah. So how am I doing well? Um, yeah, um, challenging, um, to be honest, uh,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:08]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> what's going on? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah... So my mom right now is in hospice, so she's transitioning and I'm not dealing with it. Well, So an episode on kindness is going to be especially kind of challenging for me. Um, one of my favorite shows, which shouldn't be one of my favorite shows, but it is; it's "After Life" with Ricky Gervais , which is about a man who loses his wife and is falling over the whole time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And the only time he cries um, in the show, cause he's, he's, he's a, he's just an ass to everyone. Like he has so much hate and so much rage and so much, and he just doesn't care anymore. And he's like, and he starts crying and they're like, oh, don't cry. He's like, it's not the world I have a problem with it's kindness</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I can't handle. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> That's interesting.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So when somebody is kind to him, it kind of tears apart, this big ginormous shield he has around him, so he can't be hurt. Um, and that's kind of where my head is at. I'm kind of going bouncing back and forth. Um, you know, my kids, they understand, but don't understand. And, and yeah, it's, it's, it's hard.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's been, it's been challenging so </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:22]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> Is your mom nearby?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> No, my mom's in California. And, you know, my mom has said specifically that she doesn't want the kids to see her in this state. So I've been staying away too. And it's not, it's not, it's not a case of unfinished business or you know, there are things I wish I would have said that I never said it's just sadness.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So anyways, so if you see me drinking a lot, drinking helps because if I drink something, then you know, I can compose myself better.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Oh, I'm sorry. Not, not, not drinking beer. Just drinking water or drinking coffee. It just helps me to recenter </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> thinking is. Uh, are you going to go just </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">to see her soon or</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:07]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> no, I probably won't know.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:09]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> Okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And I don't think there's, there's an amount of vanity there. Yeah. And she's kind of 95% checked out right now anyways.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So it's, it's a very, all over the place thing. So anyways, I just wanted to make you aware of that. Yeah. If I draw away or I mute my microphone or any of the rest of that kind of stuff, I just, I don't want you to think as you it's so not you.. We love having you on the show and you know, it's going to be a great show.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Uh, cause you're a great, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> we talked about it yet yeah. But what I thought, what I was thinking is just, we do a lot of songs, different songs and stuff, but that we just kind of do it natural. If someone comes up, I could play it. That </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> kind of thing. I gotcha. That makes sense. Yeah. Anyways,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Ooh guys, there is a lot going on. We need, we need a visit from Barry. We need our friend Barry Lane. Do you remember https://forcefieldforgood.com/ Barry Lane; professional children's speaker spreader of kindness, Barry lane</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">writer, illustrator, musician, Barry lane. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Remember</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Barry, we need you. Welcome back Barry.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:31]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> Well it's great to be </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:37]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Barry singing:</strong></span> back. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We are one family. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:45]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Sailing on... </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Sailing on</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:47]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Barry singing:</strong></span> blue sea deep blue sea. We are </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:52]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> one family </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:54]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Barry singing:</strong></span> sailing up the deep blue sea, Be kind to be free. We are stars We are stars </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:09]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> in one sky sky. We are birds. We are </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:14]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Barry singing:</strong></span> bird </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> in one tree </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">in one </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:18]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Barry singing:</strong></span> tree </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:20]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> We are stars in one sky </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:24]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Barry singing:</strong></span> we are birds in one tree, Be kind to be free </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:34]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> take by hand, come with me, come with me. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:40]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Barry singing:</strong></span> Dream of all we can be. We can't be</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:47]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> Take my hand and come with me Love is truth</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:02]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Barry singing:</strong></span> Love is truth. It's the key. It's the key, know your heart, your heart. You will see, you will see. Love is truth Know your heart and you will see ...Be kind to be free .</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> We are one family, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:35]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Barry singing:</strong></span> family. hand in hand</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> we all see, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:42]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Barry singing:</strong></span> we see (seek said my Fawn) see</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We are all one family Be kind to be free </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:59]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> everybody</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Be kind to be free.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:09]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yay, Barry. Thank you. You guys, this shows you, when I hear a song, I hear completely different words. Like you were saying some other word. I was saying some other words you were saying the correct word Matt. And I was saying some other word. Oh my goodness. Uh, Barry, thank you. You know, there's a sign right by our door, Barry.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">It was one of the last visits we had before the pandemic. I feel like. our friend Holly was going, going back home to California after visiting with us. Matt was at work and the girls and I were waving to Holly after hugging her goodbye. And we said, be careful out there Holly. And she stopped</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">She turned and looked at us and she said, guys, the world is a safe place. I'm like, oh, it struck me. Cause I'm like, be careful and be careful, be careful. Right. And so in that same spot that I was standing, I put a chalkboard up right by the door and it says the world is a safe place. And every time I look at it, it reminds me of what to focus on and what to bring in.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But it also, at the same time simultaneously I read while I'm reading the world as a safe place, I always in my heart, I feel like I'm reading the world is a kind place and be fitting. Totally. Why we're speaking with you is because you are the ambassador of kind, Barry, thank you so much for being with us.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There's so much, so much going on. The world is on the verge of, I mean, I can't believe I'm saying there's WWIII (World War 3), the country's on the verge of civil war, you know, even before that it was, it was already happening. I mean, a shooting every day. , it feels like emotions are running very thin and have been for years now around the world and it's become so volatile that it's really important for us to really gather around with our friends and focus on</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">kindness. And that is why we have our beautiful friend Barry here with us today. The show today is not really that thought out. We're just going to have heart to heart talk on kindness. Where do we begin? How, how do we, I mean, first making sense of it, you know, and then making sense of things that are happening around the world.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">After everything we've been through as a collective with a pandemic and everything with social totals, like in everybody's face this time, social injustice, economic hardship, hardship. I said, heartship. Um, you know, what do we do? How. What do you do when in your face? It seems like things are hopeless.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Is it hopeless to have kindness rule around the world? Like, is it a possibility? Barry is smiling and that's why, why that's why he started looking at his beautiful face. I wish we had video. He's smiling. He is smiling, this knowing beautiful wisdom kind of smile. What are you thinking? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> I'm thinking that when I get depressed, I like to compare centuries.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">When I go back to the 20th century and look up what was happening instead of 2022, 1922. And that was a time after world war one when the countries were, it had this giant, we were in had a world war in this century. So we're off to a good start. But the other thing is that the league of nations which was a very troubled enterprise, but at first, the first attempt to do something that we see now working very well, which is economic sanctions and the whole world, instead of ganging up with armies to gang, up with banks and all this other stuff to crush the tyrant, crush the, you know, this guy that's living in like Napoleonic Europe, in his head and who's trying to invade another country and, and wow, you know, what's happened is that the armies of peace are out there doing pretty good, you know, and I'm not trying to say there aren't a lot of problems, but boy, this is a great model to go on.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know,if we can do it get this guy under control through our economic stuff, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:52]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> you know, and you know, you know, what's so I'm sorry. I'm sorry to interrupt. Can you please hold that thought? But like, it just reminds me, but what's so weird is, as a peaceful kind of person, who doesn't want to fight, unless it's a martial arts kind of moment, then you know, then I'm all in.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If I have to, um, I'm cheering for violence, I find myself and then I feel really guilty, Barry. I'm cheering for the violence because you know, I'm seeing, I'm seeing these totally tiny little skinny ballerinas holding arms and going to battle. I'm like: Yeah. And then I feel terrible and disgusted with myself for, I feel like I'm perpetuating it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Do you know, do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:40]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> I know what you're saying. I'm wondering if I would join the Ukrainian army if I was a Ukrainian man, man, I probably was. I was point cause it's self defense people like Pete Seeger and Woody Guthrie back in the day they, they said we got to put up, we got to stop fighting for unions and fight against the Nazis</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">now when they, when they went to war over in Europe. And I think this concept of a just war is when it's about self-defense, you know, when you kind of the difference between defending yourself versus, uh, kind of being kind, um, just self self-defense versus kind of, um, uh, the kind of wars that we've had, which are just kind of almost Imperial enterprises, you know, go off to Afghanistan or those kinds of things, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:27]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> different.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The Canadians </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:29]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> marched on the U S right now, or something like that. Canadians with a no. All </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:36]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. You're like our neighbors, our family. I mean, that's, what's happening is, and it's always, what's happened. It's always going to war with family, your, your brothers and sisters. It's it's in the Bhagavad Gita.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's the same thing. It's going to battle with people really that are your brothers and sisters, and it's wild to </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:57]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> yeah. The first victim in any war is truth. Right. And love is truth. So love is the first victim in any war. And, you see what's happened in Russia, they've gotten rid of all the news channels and stuff and all these great stations, uh, people that were spreading truth about what was going on and, uh, truth wins in the end.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Always wins in the end. I believe. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:24]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Thank you. I will, I will hold </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> on. Gandhi's famous statement, you know, there'll be tyrants and for awhile it will seem like their mind is, you know, it's a house of cards. Russia's a house of Putin is a house of cards I should say. And, um, that it's going to, it will be it, the sad part is what's happening.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That the amount of suffering that has to happen, it appears has to happen. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:52]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Part of the suffering is also the confusion and the polarity of it all, you know, for example, like I said, I'm here, here. I am thinking, yeah, I would fight. Right. And then here I am also looking at the grandmothers that are totally throwing down and fighting. Grandmothers.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And I'm looking at women. , I saw some footage of women taking the Russian soldiers. Like they had them in custody. And they were feeding them whatever food they had and giving them something hot to drink. And you could see the soldier was clearly beaten up. Right. And here they aren't totally nourishing them and saying, look, this is what's really happening.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The soldiers didn't know what was happening. They didn't know that they were caught up in lies also. They didn't know what they were doing. Right. And so these women were explaining, look, this is what's happening. And using their own phones to give to this Russian soldier, to have him call his mom and let her know that he's okay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's beautiful. Right. And that, and then at the same time fighting and killing these people like killing each other. It's I think it's that kind of, um, polarity. That really messes up everyone. If you think about it, it is so confusing and it's, so this what's the word combobulated, discombobulated combat.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I can't pronounce that word. discombobulate. Is it a word? It, this, this, we use </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:30]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it for, I've used it forever. I don't know if it's a real word. Um, but like, in my mind, it's like, it's so hard to be kind to like the Russian army. It's hard. It's hard to even contemplate being kind, but it's easy to be kind to this soldier in the Russian army that's standing in front of me because we're just people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:56]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Um, that's kind of where my head that's where again, Aikido comes in, right. You're there to protect your attacker. Say what now. That's what Aikido teaches us. Our martial arts. Oh, my goodness. So Barry, like, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:12]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> so the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">positive again, I'll say it w we have the re the fact that, you know, that story that are, that everybody is a journalist today with their phones.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If you see these remarkable videos, all that is is helping, you know, yes. It's showing truth what real truth and the Russian people are starting to get it too. I mean, it's, even though their media is so, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:36]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> so I think that love, I really want to research the whole truth business. It is really complicated and, oh, by the way, another thing was a grandmother who took down a Russian drone with a jar of pickled tomatoes,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:54]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> she, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:55]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> she flung it at it and brought it down. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:58]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> Yeah. That's kind of like, um, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">those are the images that stick with people and, show that. That people have this great power and truth is like, is a power. and, there's love that, during war you don't think of, uh, of love Mr. Rogers, when he talks about looking to the helpers to everywhere you look, you see this incredible solidarity of people in the Ukraine.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And if we could get that at a time when it's not war for the whole world, we'd have a lot of, you know, that would be a very hopeful thing for the whole world. Some aliens attacked or something. The whole world would become the solid group of people, but, uh, war brings out the worst and the best in people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:47]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> it is the perfect timing for kindness because it's when. Things are really, really bad is when kindness is most powerful. Isn't it Barry? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:57]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> Yeah. And some of the memes on the internet. I don't remember the exact wording, but it was something like war is people who don't know each other, killing each other because of people who know each other, but don't get along.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And, and, um, uh, the famous world war one, truce, you know, 19 whatever year it was. Uh, do you remember that Christmas, the Christmas truce, these guys were killing each other, the Germans and the French, and because of Christmas, they took a three-day break and they just got out of their heads. They exchanged addresses, they played soccer and they actually, um, the officers had to actually force them to get back into the trenches.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Cause nobody at that point, everybody kind of knew each other. And, and um, so I think that, uh, One example of just how outdated war is as a thing, the more information people get, the less likely they are to go to war. That true information </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:00]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> that is true. And I think that's, that's the problem today.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that is the biggest weapon is truth. It's the biggest weapon on both sides. For example, you know, everywhere, especially in the United States, truth is just, uh, it's a trigger word because what is truth? And nobody knows because we're also faced with so much propaganda. And so, so many versions of truth, if you will.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I don't know. But one of the, like for example, I was listening to an interview with this young man who has a young family and he was calling his father in Russia from the Ukraine. His family is in Russia. His parents are in Russia and he was trying to explain to him what just happened and what is happening that their house was bombed that, you know, all this stuff is happening.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And his father said, no, it's not. And he's like, dad, I'm, I'm seeing it with my, with my I'm right in the thick of it. Like, and his dad kept saying, no, you're wrong because his truth was so different than his son's truth, his son. And, and he was saying that he had, he just had to stop talking to his dad and he's, you know, he could have been dead the young man the next time, you know, there w there may not have been a next time, but lucky enough, he actually called again called his dad again and kept doing it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And little by little, very little by little, his dad started to be open to believing him, but for, for a father, for a parent, not to believe their child's truth, that is deep. I mean, that is the worst kind of weapon to, to have, have, and look, what's happening to the United States. We're all so divided over what truth is.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:59]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Welcome </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">to the world of the moral imperative though, because everybody in order to, I think stay sane, not be crazy in the clinical term. We have to believe that we're doing, we're acting in a moral way when we know we're acting in an immoral way and we know we're acting consistently in an immoral way inherently, we know that that's wrong, whatever moral means to a given person, right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Because yeah, morality, unfortunately, or fortunately it is an absolute, but it's sometimes impossible to quantify. And by the way, for those few people out there who are heavy metal fans, I have to say Sabaton released a new album, "The War to End All Wars". It's about the great war. It's about world war one.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And they have a song called the "Christmas Truce" and they do talk about that event that happened. And it's, it's quite a beautiful song, but wow. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> Look that up. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:56]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It's one of those like, Ooh, I don't know. Definitely not your style, Barry. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:02]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I was, I was wondering how you were going to bring heavy metal in, into this episode.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:07]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, no, I was, I was actually going to mention the Christmas Truce before, before Barry did actually, because yeah. What we're seeing with the European war, we're seeing a lot of, yeah, it's, it's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">very eerie. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> Those are courageous acts of kindness. And the funny thing is even the most insane dictators are leader like Hitler or Putin, they have to create lies that create truth, their own version of truth. You know, um, you know, the famous one was in Poland, you know, the same area of the world, actually back in world war two, when there were went to invade Poland, he couldn't do it because there was no reason to, so basically Putin's using the same playbook.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">He says that a German speakers that live in Poland that they're being persecuted. And, there was a German radio station that was attached and they got the Polish army uniforms. They got, and they brought all these concentration camp prisoners and they dressed them in these uniforms and then killed them all, put them by the radio station and then said that, you know, it had been attacked by these Polish soldiers to start the war.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And the name of the, uh, operation, the code name was "Operation Canned Goods" it's like there was this, uh, so even people with no moral compass, they realized that they can't influence the world without having morality. So they actually use their, um, they play, they play the world course like a con man does.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. But they know that they believe in truth too. They don't really believe in it, but they believe that everybody believes in truth. So they, they, they need an excuse to do their terrible things and so forth. And, uh, and, uh, and, uh, so I have a song that's called, it's a new song called "Manners Politeness and Love."</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And it sounds incongruous to be singing at a time like this, but there's a point there's a line of the song that I love, which is be kind to be free. and the world will see that love is truth and hate is just a lie. I think that, uh, there's a kind of a bravery, it takes what I was saying to Fawn, we were talking earlier in the week that there's a bravery to be kind; a courageousness in a world that's gone really to the dark side. And, uh, so this song is about the everyday things that we can do to, when I talk to kids about this, we talk about what manners, politeness, and love are. And they're basically, they're not just rituals, you know?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I was in the south one since everyone's so polite that I'm here, we were talking to this guy who said, "yeah, you'd be polite too if you've got a backhand across the face, as two year olds just said something rude",</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">not that kind of polite, this the kind of true politeness, uh, one of the things that Tim Snyder in his book on tyranny says is the 20 things to do at a time like this. One of the things he says, look, make eye contact with people, especially people that you don't agree with constantly be, be there for them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So they see you're a real person. And it's true that what's really true is what's happening between you and I, not what you heard on on the radio or something. So it goes like this: (Barry begins playing the guitar and singing)</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">manners </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:38]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Barry singing:</strong></span> politeness and love</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">shine like the stars high above</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">when the sky grows dark, is it light you must think of </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">manners, politeness, and love</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">how are you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">today? You're welcome.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Don't worry. We'll find a kinder way.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Open your heart to the sky. Remember your when </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and your why</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Be kind to be free and the world will see love is truth and hate is just a lie. Thank you. Sorry. How are you</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">today,You're welcome don't worry. We'll find a kinder way.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:11]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Thank you so much, Barry. Yeah, we will find a kinder way. Barry this is why I love talking to you. Anytime something happens, I get a text from Barry, after the major shootings here in Colorado at the supermarket Barry sent me the kindness notes in the midst of it all.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like when things just seem so unkind and horrible, Barry always sets us straight. We will find a kinder way. Let's just remember that. And, and the truth, you know, your heart always knows the truth. You can feel it. You can always feel when something is not true. Don't you find like a long time ago, I had a friend who was very, very spiritual, um, religious, she's east Indian.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It was actually in India, we were walking around and out of the blue. She's like Fawn. And for those of you that are not religious, just bear with me, just think about it on a, on a universal scale. But like, out of the blue, she like got really thoughtful and we were shopping for saris. Do you know what I mean?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like, we weren't at a temple or anything. We were shopping and she, she looks at me she's like Fawn, do you know when something is from God? Like, and I was, I was, I was thinking of how to reply. She's like, let me tell you, so I'll tell you what she said. She said, you know, it's from a place like that because you feel a lightness and, and I think that's the truth.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Isn't it? Barry? Isn't it meant like when you, when you are faced with something. You always know in your heart what the truth is, for example, you know, I don't know if it's me just being super psychic, but do you all feel this? Not that you're not psychic, but like bear with me. So someone is telling you something and it's an obvious lie.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Don't you find that your brain kind of like a computer pauses?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:22]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> (Matt laughs) As we all pause. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:27]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> No. Do you, do you feel a pause because something doesn't quite click together, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:33]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right? Well, I don't necessarily pause, but you're right. I enter into the state of very, very confused, especially if this is somebody whose opinions and knowledge I trust and they're telling me something, I know isn't true.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's. You hit that world where it's like, wait, something doesn't fit. There's a puzzle piece. I've got one puzzle piece left and it doesn't fit in my puzzle. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So what's going on</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:54]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and it doesn't have to be this like, um, propaganda kind of stuff. Like you ask someone, how are you, your friend? How are you? Fine.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm fine. Hi. How are you? And you know, that's not true, right. Even if you don't know what's going on, you're like, whoa, really? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. And then of course, then the person makes the decision whether or not to actually tell you what's really going on, but </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:14]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> you know, you know, in your heart. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> Okay. And you're a total psychopath, but most people aren't.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And, uh, the, uh, one of my favorite things to watch on YouTube is "The Behavior Panel" I don't know if you've ever watched that these, these four guys. Oh, they're amazing. Therefore guys that consult all around the world with world leaders and their interrogators and they, they do videos. They show videos of people and they just tell you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">uh, whether they see deceitful behavior and their eye movement to Nick, it's kind of like that show lie to me that was on TV or whatever, but they, uh, they're very good at it. But one of the things people do when they lie, like people who have done horrible things, they, they start doing this thing where they, they move back and forth or they stroke their arm.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's called self soothing and behaviors. Cause people are like, uh, they're afraid. My feeling about that is people are, um, truth is like a safety in a way, you know, and it's unsafe uh, to be in a world without truth. And so they sooth themselves, this is why villains have nervous ticks, I think in movies, in this kind of a, a thing about it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that, that makes them kind of feel uncomfortable. Even people who know, they know they're lying and that kind of thing, and truth is something much more, um, uh, you can live there. Uh, it was, uh, I don't know who said this, but you're only as sick as your secrets, in life, you know? And, you know, Dostoevsky they ask you, you're talking about Russians and "Crime and Punishment" a great novel about a guy who figures out he can murder his landlady and get away with it. And that would be in life. And there's all these justifications for it. Just kind of, not a very nice person and that kind of thing, that whole novel is about uh, basically this guy who has to reckon with what he's done. And so it sort of rips them apart and it becomes redeemed in the end, but it's like he needs faith to even, to be able to reveal the secret and that kind of thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And it's really, one of the great Russian novels . And I think one of the things about Russia is there are a lot like America in a way, it's a big country and they think big, even though they never had democracy, when they do , they're going to be a great democracy. It's a funny thing to be saying right now, but, um, they're going to be a country like Ukraine in a few years, I believe.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And, uh, I think we made a huge mistake after the Berlin wall came down. We should have done much more to woo them into the European union. It was so bizarre. I lived near Portsmouth, New Hampshire. There's Russian submarines off the coast, still patrolling, and you know, and we're still the Soviet union's gone</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and yet there's still all these things happening in the world. We haven't done enough to dismantle all that nonsense, you know? And what Putin did almost seemed like a guy doing like a comedian today doing mother-in-law jokes or something. It's just seems so out of time, you know, what he did in the Ukraine, is so 19th century, you know what I mean?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It has the quality of that man. And as a country, as a world, um, peace does not come by everybody singing kumbaya, that kind of thing, people are still going to be part baboons part bonobo. They're going to, they're going to be part peaceful and part nasty. And, but peace comes when the peaceful part becomes a real commitment to the whole world.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And if you don't want to look at something positive, you know, you can look to that. Um, you know, that, that family, that family, that fed the Russian soldier, but you could also look to all these companies that are actually losing huge profits by pulling out of Russia and doing all this stuff. This is huge.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I mean, that's like a very positive thing. And one of the things that we're so upset about is we have so much more information too today that we know about, we're much more conscious of all the things that are going on in the world, so that doesn't really make it any better but I think it makes it, uh, you know, when Victor Frankl who wrote the "Man's Search for Meaning" was in the concentration camp, you know, one of his, uh, it's the only positive memoir, uh, of that experience that I know of; positive in that you walk away going, wow, this guy learned a lot there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">One of the things he did is he imagined himself lecturing about that experience, 10 years later and which he actually did. He wrote a book about it and so forth. And I think that's one way to find peace is to look ahead and then look back and say, WOW This was a time when the entire world, except for China, that's another story, but got together and basically said, you know, enough, this is not behavior that we can have in our world.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And, uh, that's a great model for peace. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:28]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah, I mean, am I wrong? Did I hear this right? But like when the fighting started, even the Taliban said, whoa, we don't need to be doing this. The Taliban! </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:40]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> Yeah, yeah, yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yeah. I think that it's a, that's the positive part of the story, I think. And, uh, the history of what this is going to be.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">This is a really important period. And on a bad day, it feels like history is going to end, you know, but on a good day, we can look back and say, wow, this is where we learned that you can, one person, just one person in the world can't destroy the lives of millions. They can try, but we're gonna, you know, fight back , </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">should have a song about </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> that. We're going to fight back and we're, we know we're going to be shown that we're not alone in standing up to this, I think is also key</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:28]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and there are many ways to quote unquote, I don't like the word fight here, you guys, but there are many ways to create a better world. You don't necessarily need to pick up arms unless they're your own arms.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And you're hugging somebody. And I sound like a total outdated hippie. I'm sorry, but do you know what I'm saying? Like, there are ways, there are many ways you may be in the midst of battle, but you can at the same time hold what you want in the future. Hold, the feeling of kindness and hold the feeling of a harmonious society.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's very easy for me to say in our kitchen right now, a kitchen that is stocked with food and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> coffee,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">and we can't hear conflict in the distance or </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">anything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:18]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I mean, we can feel it. Yes. And I mean, we still see conflict. I mean, you know, here too. I dunno. It's hard. And then the guilt thing comes up and what you were saying at the beginning of the show, Matt is then when you do face kindness, when you do see kindness, it breaks you because you just want to </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">weep,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:40]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I don't think it breaks you in.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Uh, okay. So it seems like it breaks you in a bad way, but I think it breaks you in a necessary way. Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:50]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And necessary a way like a, how a mother or, you know, a parent, a loving person holds a baby and the baby starts sobbing, you know, like when you fall and you skin, your knee, when you're little, right. And then someone is really kind to you, that's when you start crying.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. That's when you realize, oh, that's right. I have so much pain. You know, there's always that pause where you hold it together. And then as soon as you're met with an embrace and maybe that's why, what, you know, Barry, you were talking about the villains, how they rock back and forth, or like they fidget like that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's kind of like being embraced by, by a mother and by mother, I mean a loving source </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:34]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> yes </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:35]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> everybody's seeking. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> Yeah. It's like the villain's lulaby. It's their nervous twitch, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:42]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> oh my God. The villains lullaby. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:44]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh man. See, I just continually think about the time where you were in deep trouble and you just played with a piece of lint in your pocket.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:53]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Must you bring that up? Oh my God.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:55]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm not going to say </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">what it is. I'm just going to say that's what you notice yourself doing as a kindergartner </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:00]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> hold on. Now we have to explain what that is. We can just go, we can't leave our friends out there. Not knowing. This is very, very embarrassing and disgraceful about me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Something about me that is very disgraceful. Do you guys want to hear it? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> No</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">shows about kindness not meanness </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:21]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> well. Oh, but I have to now I'll just, I'll just make a brief, I won't get into the gory details, but I was in kindergarten and I beat up a little kid for no reason, but. I just had a villainous kind of thing come take over me over an eraser at the table. And I beat up this kid and then I walked away like nothing ever happened.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then later that kid comes like stumbling back, holding his head. Cause I beat him on his head and the teacher was right there. The whole class was against me. And the only comfort I had was going in my jacket pocket and just holding my lint, the lint in my pocket was my only, only friend. But in that time, although I was the total villain, I, I knew I had what I had done and I knew the injustice that I was responsible for and I really needed comfort.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I think that's why I ended up lashing out the way I did was because things were so bad in my life at that point.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And, you know, some people don't have a lint to turn to. I had my lint, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:33]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> well, I think everybody finds some thing once they come to that absolute breaking point. And for some people, you know, this is why people get so devoted to their pets or because they do provide some element of that soothing, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:51]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> unless you don't like a Hitler or Putin, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:56]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hitler loved </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">dogs, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:57]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> Hitler had a dog.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:58]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I mean, and that's the most messed up trivial thing to remember, but, and there were concentration camp guards who fed birds and, you know, on and on and on, uh, Yeah, it just, there's, there's a lot of really messed up things we can talk about and, and these kinds of trivial kind of things, but, you know, in the face of so much, I think just moral sense of wrongness that kind of sinks into your body.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You need to do something to feel good. Hmm.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Or at least something to say you're not alone or something to S to, to be brave. Or, you know, now for me personally, and I tell people this and nobody ever believes me, but I don't believe in quote unquote secrets. If I tell you something and you tell the whole world, I feel like that's on me for even like thinking maybe I could trust you with it or whatever.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The fact that I tell somebody means that I need it to get out for whatever reason. And what that person chooses to do with that information or what that, whatever, I mean, you know, if they choose to broadcast it to the world, then that's what they choose to do, because I've already made a choice to share that information with someone else.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So, you know, I, I, you, you kind of lose control and this is one of the things people it's, one of the really insidious bits of truth is that there's such a desire to share truth. And there's such a hunger for just genuineness and truth in the world that on some level, doesn't matter if it's like really evil or scandalous or anything else, it's just, it gets out there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And for me to then what, be mad at somebody that I cared enough about to share a truth with. Wow, that seems like just it, you know, I, I always say poor on me, but it's it's yeah, it's just. It's hard to explain, but that's kind of my philosophy. I just don't believe in </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">secrets.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:52]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Do you think that's why bank robbers end up telling people what they did?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:56]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, there is a again, yes, there's a desire to share. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:00]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> This is, uh, uh, one of the Bahai writings is probably hidden words. It's one of the, is, uh, I forget I don't have it right in front of me, but it, that justice is, is God's gift to people because through it, you'll see through your own eyes and not to the eyes of another.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and that it's sort of a gift because it allows you. It's something that exists. That truth actually exists in the world. Yes. Yes </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> he does. Once </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:33]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Barry's dog my goodness.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:36]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:37]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It's Barry's dog, everybody. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:38]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> Well, when it gets too small, this is like one of those things and it's just, I'm afraid of I'm choking on it. Right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:45]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What is your dog's name? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:47]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> His name's Rishi, which means Ray of </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">light in Sanskrit He's part Bichon and part shih tzu. So I call him a shit's on,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">but he's a beautiful doggy </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">dogs are like in cats. Now, there there's such comfort in times like this, It takes you out of yourself and They take you out of yourself and, and just simple compassion, you know, um, I have a song called be kind that I do with kids. And one of the lines is teach your kitty how to purr, scratch your neck and pat her for help your doggy wag his tail.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Your sweet love will never fail. There are ways of practicing love, you know? I mean, and I imagine in war time, it's more, it's more than probably a may, will accentuate that, you know, that because you're literally protecting them. Were meant to,love and it's what makes us feel safe now, whether it's a puppy or some lint in your pocket, , </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:56]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> it's.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I was going to say, or just finding beauty, finding beauty, bringing beauty in in some way, I always go back to Martha Stewart, who right after nine 11, someone asked her, what do we do? And she said, well, go find a flower, bring it in, put it in a vase. Whatever you're surrounded in, like wherever you are, try to make it as beautiful as possible.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Start with your immediate surroundings and make that better. So it could be, it could be taking care of someone you love, like your dog, right? And it could be taking care of a plant. It could be taking care of just something really simple whenever you have, make it better and nourish it. So nourish your home, nourish your own self, nourish your loved ones, with whatever you can find, whatever you can create.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:52]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> Yeah, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:53]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> absolutely. And, and providing comfort to people around you. Like I want to say the high point for me this past week was me sharing interesting information with people. I used to work with people I haven't, hadn't connected to in a while and actually giving them information, that's going to help them out.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That was the highest point of my week. It wasn't getting something or, you know, having an awesome pastry or anything else, you know, that was the high point. And then, you know, kind of the second high point was getting, getting a hug from one of my little girls. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:43:29]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Can I tell you mine too? So I had a high point because of what, what obviously is happening around the world and within our family, with the passing of your mom and everything, you know, I, um, you know, there's so many things that have been happening at the same time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so my kind of high point came from one of the low points and, you know, I always say it's really, it's really important for you to figure out the people in your life, what role they play. Is it a number one, number two, or number three role in friendship, for example, what kind of friend are you and what kind of friend do you really have going back to again, Aristotle and the Nicomachean ethics of friendship.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like there's a friend, who's friends with you because of how they feel around you. There's the second type of friend who is friends with you because of what they're getting from you. And then there's the third friend who is friends with you, regardless, because they just love you. You're ugly. You're happy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're upset. It doesn't matter. They're just in, in love with you. And that's the true friend. Right. And it's hard because sometimes even me it's, you know, even though I've been working on this for a long, long time, it's hard to realize, oh, this person is not what I thought. Right. Which is fine. Everyone has a kind of friend that is that particular kind of friend for this thing or that thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Do you know what I'm saying? And </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:06]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> there's nothing wrong with having a huge quantity of these kinds of what do you want to call it? Level one and level two friends. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:12]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah, absolutely. Nothing wrong. Yeah. There's, you know, there's room for everybody, but if you're thinking, oh, this is my number three friend. And then things happen and you're like, ah, Oh, well, so for example, my low point this week was I texted two of my friends that are like sisters to me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And I said, first at first I sent a GIFF, a GIFF or JIFF, whatever know I sent them the little tiny moving pictures and it was this cartoon character, totally sobbing, crying like inconsolable. And then after that, I said, I feel so alone and scared right now. And all I get is a text that says you're not alone.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I never got another text or anything again. Right. Crickets, crickets, yet people I didn't expect to even like be there or anything. They were there constantly with phone calls and texts with prayer. With healings. Right. You know, like, and I didn't even ask them, you know, I didn't even like tell them, Hey, I feel alone.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> I think </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">that, uh, yeah, I think that we learned about friendships through the ones that evolve. The ones that are transactional turn into something else, you know, um, you know how friendships can be like, that person is dependent on you, but you're not dependent on them. You know, they go, you don't go to them when you're vulnerable.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I had a friend like that who, um, you know, we were friends, but a lot of it was me being like, uh, a sounding board to him, you know, to whatever. And then my dad died suddenly. Um, right after my second daughter was born and it was very, it was really painful time. And he came to the funeral and we went for a walk and we still remember. I knew exactly where we were the swing set, where like, when we used to, when I was a little kid, I used to hang out and he just he's, he was, he just sort of put his arms around me and I just wept, you know, and it was like, uh, you know, I, I didn't even know I was going to do it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know what I mean? It was like just this moment. And, and that transformed a friendship from then on, of course at that point, um, you know, and I think today with texting and all the nonsense that we have, there's a lot more transactional relationships, you know, they, oh, I read this book called "Reclaiming Conversation" by</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Sherry Turkle and she talks about how people will go through their texts and they text back to the people that are more high status first. And then they go down the line. If you hear from him in two days, you'd know that you're low on their friendship list, that kind of thing. And I think that kind of transactional stuff is so much easier to do through texting.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. But in real life, you know, you know who those people are usually, you know, people that show up and those that don't, you know, that kind of, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:38]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but at the same time I have to defend the texting Barry because that's all we have. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:44]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Barry singing:</strong></span> Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:44]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> I'm not saying it's bad. I'm saying it can create that kind of world to </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:50]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> make it more easier.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I have some friends and you know, all we have is text and WhatsApp because that's what we have because we're so far away, distance wise, like physically. But I feel them holding my hand. I feel their embrace. Wendy, I'm talking to you, Martine. I'm talking to you, you know, I, you know, yeah. I don't, I don't want to tell you, I want to embrace that as well, because you can feel it much like the truth.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You can feel a genuine friend holding your hand. You don't have to be there physically. And I think that's what trips people up sometimes. Like they disappear because they feel like, oh my God, I have to do this grand gesture that I don't have the capacity for. But really all it takes is a simple text, but like just something to acknowledge that you're still there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're there with them. You know, I am still holding your hand through this mic. I am holding your hand to you listening. I'm holding you. I'm holding you. I'm I am embracing you. I'm not going to let go. Feel that, 'cause that's the honest truth. Well, much like truth, you know, like, you know what uplifts you and you know, what's a lie, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">so in a text you can tell there's discord or if it's holding hands, why are you looking like that again? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:50:20]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I hear a, I hear a clock. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:50:22]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. I've been hearing a tick, tick, tick. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:50:24]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Are you wearing, are you wearing a wristwatch? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:50:27]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> Oh, oh no. What it is and take this thing out. Hey, putting this was cluck in lake office.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:50:36]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm sorry. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:50:37]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I just started hearing it as an editor now of, you know, a podcast. I hear everything and I've been noticing it this whole time and I've found it quite, um, soothing, soothing. Yeah. Oddly, oddly Erie at the same time, because of what's happening in the world. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:50:55]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. Well, no, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:50:57]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> it's going to sound like an episode of 60 minutes during this </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:51:01]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and there you go.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm sorry. I just completely derailed us . We need to get back. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:51:05]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> No, that's fine. That's fine. It's all. It's all good. It's all good. It's all conversation. So Barry. Oh, Barry help </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:51:14]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> I could do like </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">a song. There's two songs I wanted to do, but one, maybe I do the one that I did. You talked about a little earlier, which is called, "Be Kind"</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">it's really simple. It's a Calypso song and it kind of has a beat by</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:51:30]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Barry singing:</strong></span> we'll try it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:51:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh, he's pointing at us. I think he wants us to do. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:51:34]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> Yeah. Yeah. You guys slap it on the table. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:51:38]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh, I can't hear the beat. I can't hear you thumping. No, it's funny. It goes out the sound good. Yeah, the sound </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:51:46]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Barry singing:</strong></span> goes out. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:51:47]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> I'll just try it, see how it goes</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Be </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:51:57]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Barry singing:</strong></span> kind. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:51:57]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> Be kind to someone</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:52:05]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Barry singing:</strong></span> cut</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">out to her</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">for.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">How does smile</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">to someone</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">sit beside me. I'm the rock.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">This girl or boy</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">will know what's right then</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">car.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:54:34]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. Hey, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:54:38]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Barry singing:</strong></span> it's a Calypso </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:54:38]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> song. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:54:40]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And you know, honestly, when I'm kind on a, one-on-one kind of like. I get this like mischievous, like my brain, different parts of my brain fire that don't necessarily fire in some and by fire, I just mean neurons. But, um, that, you know, when you're kind of just doing what you're doing, you're just kind of going through your day and doing whatever it is you're doing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There's a certain, I don't know, there's a not fun-ness to it. And there's a funness to kind, there's an uplift. There's a mischievous for me is mischievous. I don't know if that's for everybody. Totally. But I always feel like I'm doing something a little bit naughty, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:55:17]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> actually the random acts of kindness, or you do something and you run</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">like random acts of kindness. It just uplifts you for a while. Yeah. Yeah. Why does it feel mischievous? Cause I know exactly what you're talking about. I feel the same way I'm like, and then I have to run. Why what's that? That's that's that's another topic that's deep. That's deep. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:55:44]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> Yeah, it could be the just there's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">no, I think a lot of what people do in life is transactional.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're doing, trading things with people, but kindness for its own sake, sort of like, uh, it's uh, the line in my other song, open your heart to the sky. Remember your, where in your why. Where are you? Why are you here? That kind of thing. And I think that kindness is a way of saying that you don't work for it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're not an employee of kindness. You're not a friend who trades things with each other, but you're doing it out of just a pure, there's like a purity of motive that I think makes us realize our, why, you know, I think that that's, that's one of those and the mischievous part, I think that's kind of like.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're a rogue. You know, if you're living in a world where everything is, you're thinking about it, people get set to pay a hundred thousand dollars to go to college. So they be in debt and fearful their whole life about money and all these other things that prey on our lower brain that make us feel fight or flight response to the world.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Whereas kindness as a way of escaping that. When you're kind, you don't need money to be kind, in order to be happy, you know, to a certain extent, we need kindness. Kindness is like, uh, I think, it, fulfills an existential primal need. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:57:09]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That is perfect.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That is the perfect way to hold that thought. Let's just stay here right here. This the world needs you. The world needs. Help the world to be kind. And remember, make eye contact. It is all about what is happening between you and me. Hold it right there. That's where kindness lives and that's the ripple that will be created and go all around everywhere.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Let's just hold that and we will talk again in a few days, Barry. Thank you. Thank you for this beautiful reminder. Thank you for the truth. Thank you for your kindness. You are an exceptional, beautiful, loving friend. We are so lucky. We are so lucky, Barry, thank you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:58:11]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> to be with you guys. So thank </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:58:13]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> you. We love you so much.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:58:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Absolutely. And if this isn't enough for you, because God knows it isn't for me, we do have an earlier episode with him. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:58:22]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> We do, and it's, there's a link to it right in this episode. And remember, go to forcefield for good.com. You will find Barry's work. He is an amazing speaker. He goes around and speaks with children and he, he he's, I'm telling you, he is the ambassador of kindness.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm not kidding. He is an amazing writer, illustrator, obviously songwriter and a musician, a phenomenal human being. https://forcefieldforgood.com/. Check him out, get his music. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:59:01]</span> <span style="color:#9166ff;"><strong>Barry singing:</strong></span> Thanks guys. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:59:02]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> It's been really a pleasure just hanging out with you at this real difficult time. I know that, uh, in the end everything's gonna work out great.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:59:12]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> what I think kindness will prevail Barry. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:59:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Barry:</strong></span> Yes. Kindness will always prevail if we let it. And I think we have to practice it. It doesn't take much, it can get a kitty or a dog to start and starting your neighbor next. It's something that grows in time and protect your ability to love because that's where the, that's the heart of who you are.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:59:42]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yes. Protect your ability to love very much. Love you guys. Thank you so much. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:59:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And remember you're not alone. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:59:51]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Make eye contact. It's all what's happening between you and me. Love you.</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Our Kindness expert, Barry Lane is back to remind us that "Kindness is Truth, Kindness is Freedom."
Barry soothes our nerves with his sweet songs (two new songs as we record live in Barry's studio - the second song is way at the end, so make sure you catch it) and words of wisdom as we navigate a possible WWIII, Civil War, life... and shows us HOPE and reminds us that everything is going to be OK.
There are two new songs as we record live in Barry's studio - the second song is way at the end, so make sure you catch it.
Barry: https://forcefieldforgood.com/
Barry's book: 
https://www.amazon.com/Force-Field-Barry-Colleen-Mestdagh/dp/1931492298/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1491102856&sr=8-1&keywords=force+field+for+good+barry+lane
 
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[00:00:00] Matt: Um, yeah. So how am I doing well? Um, yeah, um, challenging, um, to be honest, uh,
[00:00:08] Barry: what's going on? 
[00:00:09] Matt: Yeah... So my mom right now is in hospice, so she's transitioning and I'm not dealing with it. Well, So an episode on kindness is going to be especially kind of challenging for me. Um, one of my favorite shows, which shouldn't be one of my favorite shows, but it is; it's "After Life" with Ricky Gervais , which is about a man who loses his wife and is falling over the whole time.
And the only time he cries um, in the show, cause he's, he's, he's a, he's just an ass to everyone. Like he has so much hate and so much rage and so much, and he just doesn't care anymore. And he's like, and he starts crying and they're like, oh, don't cry. He's like, it's not the world I have a problem with it's kindness
I can't handle. 
[00:00:56] Barry: That's interesting.
[00:00:57] Matt: So when somebody is kind to him, it kind of tears apart, this big ginormous shield he has around him, so he can't be hurt. Um, and that's kind of where my head is at. I'm kind of going bouncing back and forth. Um, you know, my kids, they understand, but don't understand. And, and yeah, it's, it's, it's hard.
It's been, it's been challenging so 
[00:01:22] Barry: Is your mom nearby?
[00:01:23] Matt: No, my mom's in California. And, you know, my mom has said specifically that she doesn't w...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Colors - How We Perceive Colors in Life and Color Translates In Our Connections with Each Other]]>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>Flowers evolve to be attractive to bees so that they can pollinate and they can reproduce themselves, which is if there's a lot of competition in the flower world, this is why you have such stunning orchids. It's because there's so much competition for bees because they can only pollinate so much in a day; the brighter and more colorful flowers attract the bees.<br />But where did the perception of color come from and why is there such angst about color in our conversation and our lives?</p>
<p>https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Color is a wild thing. It comes up a lot. It's very complicated. Yes. We're recording, honey. I I've always been confused by it in photography terms because each color has a certain temperature and it's so scientific. Why are I have so many questions? And we have so many topics I wanted to discuss today, but I'll try to stick it to one.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Stick to one thing, not stick sticking to one thing, but I don't know, is this what started our color conversation? I was telling you about this person that I really like his artwork. I really like on Instagram and I usually don't follow or want to buy paintings. You know, I don't even hang up our own artwork because</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">be cause I feel like there's so much information and there's so much loudness happening, not loudness as in aesthetics, but loudness as an information and talking that's happening. I feel like the furniture talks to me. I feel like when there's art or a photograph, well, photograph is art, but when there's something on the wall, it's constantly communicating with you and I need some quiet, right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Because I'm already; bear with me folks, but I already feel like even just sitting, I feel like I'm hearing and understanding, or at least taking part in whatever is happening in the world, I'm hearing it. You know what I mean? Does that sound totally off the wall? I don't want to sound too. Woo. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:40]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You know, for me as a individual, I don't like wearing logos.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I don't like wearing logos on my shirts. I don't like wearing logos on my jackets. I don't like wearing, you know, let alone a band name on it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's because it's talking to other people it's not talking to you. Is it talking to you? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:58]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> The thing is, is that I feel the need then to defend whatever it is I'm wearing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So like it's like I could never get a tattoo because I'd have to defend that forever. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:10]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's a different subject. What I'm saying is things that speak to you. I guess tattoos are speaking to you, but you're saying a logo that you're wearin...</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Flowers evolve to be attractive to bees so that they can pollinate and they can reproduce themselves, which is if there's a lot of competition in the flower world, this is why you have such stunning orchids. It's because there's so much competition for bees because they can only pollinate so much in a day; the brighter and more colorful flowers attract the bees.But where did the perception of color come from and why is there such angst about color in our conversation and our lives?
https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace
 
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[00:00:00] Fawn: Color is a wild thing. It comes up a lot. It's very complicated. Yes. We're recording, honey. I I've always been confused by it in photography terms because each color has a certain temperature and it's so scientific. Why are I have so many questions? And we have so many topics I wanted to discuss today, but I'll try to stick it to one.
Stick to one thing, not stick sticking to one thing, but I don't know, is this what started our color conversation? I was telling you about this person that I really like his artwork. I really like on Instagram and I usually don't follow or want to buy paintings. You know, I don't even hang up our own artwork because
be cause I feel like there's so much information and there's so much loudness happening, not loudness as in aesthetics, but loudness as an information and talking that's happening. I feel like the furniture talks to me. I feel like when there's art or a photograph, well, photograph is art, but when there's something on the wall, it's constantly communicating with you and I need some quiet, right.
Because I'm already; bear with me folks, but I already feel like even just sitting, I feel like I'm hearing and understanding, or at least taking part in whatever is happening in the world, I'm hearing it. You know what I mean? Does that sound totally off the wall? I don't want to sound too. Woo. 
[00:01:40] Matt: You know, for me as a individual, I don't like wearing logos.
I don't like wearing logos on my shirts. I don't like wearing logos on my jackets. I don't like wearing, you know, let alone a band name on it. 
[00:01:54] Fawn: That's because it's talking to other people it's not talking to you. Is it talking to you? 
[00:01:58] Matt: The thing is, is that I feel the need then to defend whatever it is I'm wearing.
So like it's like I could never get a tattoo because I'd have to defend that forever. 
[00:02:10] Fawn: That's a different subject. What I'm saying is things that speak to you. I guess tattoos are speaking to you, but you're saying a logo that you're wearin...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>Flowers evolve to be attractive to bees so that they can pollinate and they can reproduce themselves, which is if there's a lot of competition in the flower world, this is why you have such stunning orchids. It's because there's so much competition for bees because they can only pollinate so much in a day; the brighter and more colorful flowers attract the bees.<br />But where did the perception of color come from and why is there such angst about color in our conversation and our lives?</p>
<p>https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Color is a wild thing. It comes up a lot. It's very complicated. Yes. We're recording, honey. I I've always been confused by it in photography terms because each color has a certain temperature and it's so scientific. Why are I have so many questions? And we have so many topics I wanted to discuss today, but I'll try to stick it to one.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Stick to one thing, not stick sticking to one thing, but I don't know, is this what started our color conversation? I was telling you about this person that I really like his artwork. I really like on Instagram and I usually don't follow or want to buy paintings. You know, I don't even hang up our own artwork because</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">be cause I feel like there's so much information and there's so much loudness happening, not loudness as in aesthetics, but loudness as an information and talking that's happening. I feel like the furniture talks to me. I feel like when there's art or a photograph, well, photograph is art, but when there's something on the wall, it's constantly communicating with you and I need some quiet, right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Because I'm already; bear with me folks, but I already feel like even just sitting, I feel like I'm hearing and understanding, or at least taking part in whatever is happening in the world, I'm hearing it. You know what I mean? Does that sound totally off the wall? I don't want to sound too. Woo. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:40]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You know, for me as a individual, I don't like wearing logos.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I don't like wearing logos on my shirts. I don't like wearing logos on my jackets. I don't like wearing, you know, let alone a band name on it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's because it's talking to other people it's not talking to you. Is it talking to you? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:58]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> The thing is, is that I feel the need then to defend whatever it is I'm wearing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So like it's like I could never get a tattoo because I'd have to defend that forever. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:10]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's a different subject. What I'm saying is things that speak to you. I guess tattoos are speaking to you, but you're saying a logo that you're wearing. Do you don't want that because it speaks to other people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:23]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It also speaks to me though,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:26]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but do you hear it while you're wearing it? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:27]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I do. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:28]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Even if you're not seeing the little, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> because </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> mark, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:31]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> anybody can go up to you and say, Hey.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. But what I'm saying is actually hearing things, I'm hearing like a population of thoughts I'm picking up on things, right? So when there's a, when there's a, a piece of art on the, on the wall, it's constantly talking to me, I guess you're saying the same thing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:54]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm saying the same thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Okay. It's weirder. When you wear clothes, you're constantly having a conversation with the world and you have to be present and understand the conversation you're having at that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">given moment. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. And that's another subject we've talked about is how, style and choice of wardrobe clothing can bond you or break you from relationships.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yes. So fashion is a big deal, but today we're talking about color. And it started, I think, remind me if I'm wrong. But I think the conversation about color with us happened because of this artist on the Instagram. He posts these beautiful cubistic Picassoesque amazing paintings and they're always in black and white.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:44]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Okay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:45]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Or at least just monotone. And there's one time he posted and he said, I like to paint in black and white, the faces that I'm painting, because I don't want people to see color. I don't see color. And this is what he was saying. He was saying he doesn't see color like that, that he wants people to look at faces and not see color, but see the beauty of their soul.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I really like this guy. And I usually always compliment him and thank him for his wisdom because he always offers such wisdom in his posts, just like one line or two lines. But this time his, his, his, uh, I don't know, a bit of naive ignorance or maybe just ignorance or not wanting to understand fellow brothers and sisters who obviously are not Caucasian.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">I understood that. Oh wow. This guy is not, he's not one of us like, meaning one of me, do you know what I mean? Like all of a sudden I sense the division and I sense that, oh my God, he's one of, he could be very firm in his belief cause I never heard a reply. And I, I don't know if, if I got muted after making the comment that I made, which was.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I love my brown face and I love the colors of my brothers and sisters. And I want, I wish not. I want, I wish people would love and appreciate the colors and see them and acknowledge the colors and capital AND and, also love and appreciate my soul and our soul. Right. And I never heard back. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:37]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Pure silence.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm like, wow, is this is this I might, did I turn into one of those that got, had to be completely erased off of comments and like that you never, you're not familiar with Instagram, but like, you know how, like you can erase someone's comment and the whole thing goes away. Right? Right. Well, I think so.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Anyway, I still don't understand social media myself. I don't want it. I didn't want to turn it into a fight. All I'm saying is, please don't say I am color blind, or I want to not see color. That is so for me disrespectful, it's like, it's like when I remember I had, I would tell you guys about the guy I was engaged to, who had a really racist, racist mother and here I come.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And, and she would make. W most hurtful comments about me, about my family, about the world out there in general, you know, like, um, someone, um, I never saw these people, but someone was moving into like quote unquote, her neighborhood and we were standing in the driveway and she goes, oh God, look, the Alibaba's are moving in.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And, um, I, that was towards the end for me of like really the beginning of the end, realizing I can't marry into this. This is what, what kind of trash this right. And I looked at her, I said, oh, you mean like me? I don't remember exactly what I had told her. And she gave me one of those famous infamous lines.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Oh, well, you're not one of them. You're one of us. I'm like lady, I don't want to be one of you. I am not one of you. Um, do you look, I don't want to like get into the bowels of the toilet here. I don't, I want to keep the vibration of our show very high, but I think that's where a conversation with color started.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And then you took it to where you take it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:47]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> A color is... talking about race issues with you as always very tricky are always very sticky because I am aware of how gosh, darn pale I am</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and how I had interesting upbringing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:59]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. But one of the things I love about you is that you are very tall; you are my opposite. What I love about you is you had such understanding and understanding as in you were well enriched with all cultures. Well, I won't say all cultures, but a lot of culture in you, you knew things that</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I thought only people from my background would know of, because it's an our like inner circle because no one pays attention to us or if they do, they call us crazy or, you know, "other" and what made me intrigued when we were becoming friends was whoa, you know, this, you know, like you knew, you knew a lot about the middle Eastern culture and then</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">you would say that you didn't, you always had this, uh, wanting to understand more or like, not assuming that you did, like you were walking around as an, as a cultural encyclopedia, you know, like your brother does that your brother will like read something or hear something. And then he's the expert on that because he has, he is a genius, like IQ wise, but he's not a social genius.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">No social IQ, no emotional IQ, right? I won't say no, but it's low. His genius book levels, smart level is very high. You, one of the things that made me receptive receptive is that the word, like I looked at you and I, I felt open. I felt safe. I felt safe to express and just be with you and be myself. Because I sensed love in you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Not, I'm not saying love for me. I sensed a love of life and everything that life entails in you. So yes, you are white and I'm not going to say, yeah, you're not one of them. You're one of us. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that you have a genuine rich love for everything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah. And I could never hear myself saying something like, oh no, you're not one of them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're one of us, although I just said it there. Right. But my </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">goodness. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Did you ever say anything like that before you met me though? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:29]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> See, everybody wants to point to those points in time where, you know, they did good. Like you never hear from the guy who buys and sells stock about the terrible stock trading made you all hear about the great trade, the one great trade they made.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So we tend to edit our lives to provide the most optimistic kind of views of things. But, you know, I have to say that my peer group, my you know, even from a young age, uh, was not particularly white Anglo-Saxon </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Protestant. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:03]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's true. You always felt more comfortable with a mix.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:08]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Exactly. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Um, you know, it's interesting when I thought you were going to say like, people who make comments, like I'm not racist, because look at you, I'm tolerating you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like I had so many people telling you that. I had, I've had your family tell me </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh my goodness. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:27]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But not, that's no joke. I'm not exaggerating." I'm not racist. I'm tolerating you aren't I?" Like, and they didn't do it in a, sarcastic.... They weren't trying to be sarcastic. They were trying to be like, look at me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm. What's the word for what, what do they think they are when they think that they're not racist? Like when they think they're tolerant, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:47]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> but tolerant is a scary word right? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Tolerant is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">terrible. It's like, I'm putting up with you. Oh my God. You tolerate something that annoys you is toleration. That's... words are funny.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So going back to color though, which is related to why we're talking about this words and colors, right? You dove deep into where really, um, the description of color comes from, can you take it away? Cause you actually did your, I tried to do the research, but then I got mad and then I stopped.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I was actually about to say, let's not do the show on color because I'd rather talk about this other thing that I want to talk about. 'cause I couldn't, I could not the information you sent me, pissed me off. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, I get it. As soon as we talk in the fifties with researchers, white men researching, are there going to be white men wearing, wearing their crisp white shirts and their ties with their glasses and they're balding hair.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And it's not just from the fifties. It's like some guy gets on a ship and goes over there and he's like, look what I discovered. I discovered. This, you know, like they become the owner of something. They think they discovered it. Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> do you know what I mean? I get that and what, okay. They weren't anthropologist or sociologist.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. But that's just it, they were going, looking for meaning. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:13]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yes, they were going, looking for meaning, but from my perspective, they were going from a state of ignorance looking for meaning and how much. You have to take a deep look at yourself. How open are you to other colors and other, other, anything, when you go into something new? Are you aware that you have a very myopic view of things, very limited scope on things.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So, all right, you're going to go to this culture, this Indonesian culture or this culture that is definitely, so, seems so different from yours, that their skin color is different. The way they dress is different, they have a completely different language. They have a completely different understanding and expression of life.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So you're going to go in and suddenly write down, oh, this person's word for this is this word. Really, unless you were born in that culture, you're not going to know the nuances of the language and you think they're going to share it with you, a white person coming from some university. I know Matt is rolling his eyes right now and looking at his watch, but let me just go off on my rants and then you can tell me what you discovered. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh and then you'll let me talk?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. So what I'm saying is see, now I lost my train of thought. Let me go back. Let me think. So there's white guy goes to like, like, let's say an island with a culture that is darker in complexion. Okay. Like I already went through the list. Right. All the ways that it is different from his European culture that he's coming from, I'm saying, unless you were born with this language. Unless you have been raised within this family, how do you really know the nuances of language?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So you have a few people telling you or translating for you. That is not enough to totally understand. So my question to you is how long were these guys? Was it more than one guy is a one guy. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:20]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Can we at least describe what that, hold </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:22]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> on, hold on. Well, let me just finish. What I'm saying is how did he, or they know that this in fact was the end all be all of words and translation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so he goes back, he goes running back to his university in his pinstripe suit and says, look at this, they have a word for brown, which is this, look at that it's coffee. Really? How, how factual is that? So, anyway, go ahead and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">nevermind. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Thank you. So anyways, you have two sociologists. Sociologists slackers complete and utter slackers.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They got to write a paper and crank it out. And this is, again, this is slackers. I will, I will tell you why they're slackers. And again, this is me completely projecting into them and God, their names don't care. Anyways, they get 20 people bilingual who speak another language who came from a different culture.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They get 20 that's, 5, 10, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">20 people. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:27]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Where do they get these people from?. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:28]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I don't know, probably hanging out in. I think it was, it doesn't matter. Hanging, probably hanging out in the town that they were, they had to concoct a paper. And so they asked them, they provide them with a paint chip sample set. And they say, can you pick out all the colors and tell me what the colors </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> are?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So I remember looking at this, um, all right. So it was literally like a huge spectrum of paint chips, because so basically like five to 10 different shades of yellow. Um, right. Every color. It was kind of like every </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> color in the spec, every, not every color in the spectrum, but a lot of colors in the spectrum </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> from variations and degrees of a one particular color within that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. Okay. Got it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:14]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Okay. And they got 20 people, so, you know, God knows they probably scrawled with a crayon on a piece of paper for the original experiment, because it was 20 people. Come on and. And they asked people to pick out the colors. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:27]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What do you mean, "They used a crayon"?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:28]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, I'm just saying it was a very low budget experiment at first.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:33]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So it wasn't like a high-tech because we've got 20, we're </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:36]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> talking to 20 people. Okay. And we probably talked to 20 people over the course of a week. We wrote our paper and we presented it right. Rock on. But what they discovered was that when was this, this was in like the fifties. So what they discovered was, the first colors that every society understands are dark and light. So this is dark and this is light, not necessarily black and white, but this is a light color. This is a dark color. That is the initial kind of level that people, that societies are in. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Then they come to a conclusion for why that is.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> We'll get to that theoretically. And then. Uh, step number two, all of a sudden things are dark. Things are light and things are red. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Why red? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> How did they, how did they get to red? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:34]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> We'll talk about that. And then once you got past dark and light red, then you either got to green or yellow was actually discerned as a unique color.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then the next level is green and yellow combined, or rather green and yellow are now represented. So now your color palette looks like dark, light, red, green, and yellow, and then you add blue and then you add brown and then you add quote-unquote the rest of the colors, which I guess takes us to a more contemporary palette, which gives us like purple, purple, orange, gray and pink.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Now, every single culture has a way of saying, let's say blue, because come on, blue is color of the sky. Right. But what they were looking for was the succinct, tiny word for it. When I learned Spanish, for instance, slacker teachers didn't teach us marron, which is brown. They taught us color de cafe, which is color of coffee was brown.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I don't know why. Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:44]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> In Farsi brown is "Gahveh" which is coffee.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:49]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So they make the argument that if your language is comparative, that means brown doesn't exist as a color. Wait, what? Because brown is a succinct, teeny, tiny little word that doesn't refer to anything. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:06]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Why?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:09]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> That was their criteria.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:10]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What can you back up? Hold on. I think you lost me and I went to a race racist point backup and say it again.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:22]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Okay. They're not saying that cultures don't have a word for bro, have, you know, a phrase for brown, what they say is they the word for brown is a conjunction of many words. And it's not its own succinct word. That's what they were going for. Like pink doesn't refer to the color of a Carnation or the color of, you know, a certain sunrise or anything like that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">For </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:51]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> example, blue in Farsi is ABI. OB means water. When you put an E sound at the end of a word, it means coming from or looking like. So it's watery is blue in Farsi. Obee referring to water. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:13]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And similarly, I think in Turkish, the, um, the way you say brown is you're describing coffee. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:19]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah, same, same with Farsi.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And it's the same.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">And That's what I learned in Spanish too,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:23]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> so that's kind of the evolution. so dark, light, then red </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:28]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> see, I'm sorry that doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. Hold on, hold on. It doesn't make sense to me. And this is where I get my, my antenna goes up because how much of this is this white guy's perspective of language?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Because I mean, you were saying that blue. There's water and then there's this guy and they referred to that and there's definitely a color for blue. Right. But hello, brown is the earth that we are walking on. So why not? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:00]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So why not call it earthy? Yeah, right. Again, this was their look </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">take on it, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:07]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> like I said, and this is where I started to tune myself always on what you're trying to </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:11]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> categorize.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Cause this is what welcome to the Greek tradition. We love our categories and this is what the white guys were Greek is actually interesting because this was originally discovered by somebody who later was the prime minister of England, or I'm just going to be terrible with names today, but he evaluated Homer's works and he noticed that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Homer did not describe color. Very, you know, Homer did not describe color the way we describe color. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:40]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So like the Odyssey. Yes. Talking about the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">ocean, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:44]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> the ocean is the color of wine. Yeah. I don't understand why, because that was the closest kind of metaphor that he had. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You know, I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">saw that he just, he didn't say it's the color of wine.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I think it was like it's they said that in the Odyssey, it was like, the ocean is like wine. It didn't say, did it say it's like the color of wine?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> He went through </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">color and there was no orange and no blue anywhere, but, and purple was the color of sunset and sometimes the color of water and sometimes the color of dawn.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Alright. Or a purple ish color. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:22]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It's on how you look at it though. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> The ocean in a </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:26]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> nutshell, well, the ocean could be the color of wine. If, if someone is killing whales or dolphins, it turns blood, right. Or the ocean could be the color of wine if the sun is setting and you hit the light, just at a certain perspective, and you see a red cast over the water, right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I remember being a kid, some teachers saying the water isn't really blue, the ocean, isn't really a blue, it's a reflection of the sky that makes you think is blue. Is that true? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I couldn't tell you. I mean, it is interesting that if you pour yourself a glass of water, it's not blue. It's clear </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> if you take ocean water and put it in a glass of wine and a glass of wine and a glass of water, it isn't blue, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Unless there's a lot of, well, no, it can be a little brown if there's a lot of sand in there, but if it's, you know, based on what is actually floating in the water, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:20]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> All right. Well, I don't like brown being disliked that I'm mad and that's where I tuned away from that. From studying whatever reading, looking at what you sent me, I'm like, this is garbage, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I don't like being, I don't like brown being other because hello, am I not always the other, do I not have to check other and every box I fill out for what race are you other? They never said brown. Well, they said that it's not relating to anything. It doesn't exist. You said brown doesn't exist. That brown is maybe like coffee, but it's not sky.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Do you understand what I'm saying? Very confused. Now. Didn't you say brown didn't exist? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm saying the word </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">for brown.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:06]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm not saying you did, by the way, I'm saying. In this research, by this person, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:12]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> if you have a culture that only sees that only describes colors succinctly, and again, the word as succinctly as dark and light, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They're not going to say they're not going to point up at the sky and just say, oh, well, that's a light color. They're going to describe it that's the sky or that's, you know, or they may describe something that is blue as being the same color as the sky or a color that the sky has </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">or whatever.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:42]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But you see, this is what I'm talking about.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">This is why I love photography. But when I was studying at university, I tuned away from it because it is just, I mean, we got into the temperatures of degrees of color. Oh, my God, I'm getting a special light meter for color to measure color. You know, I understand for sure, like it's a science, but , it pissed me off then to just, just looking at it from a photographic, scientific point of view, trying to get the room to look</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">as close to as what the human eyes seeing, and not have the colors be way off base. You have to measure things. It's not, I don't know. Maybe I don't know. It still pisses me off. I don't understand what you said about brown. I still don't. I think I'm emotionally stuck on what you a word or a word or two that like stuck in my head and I didn't hear everything you had to say about brown.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So we have an arbitrary word., "blue" Right or an arbitrary word, or while oranges are required, we have an arbitrary word, yellow, right? Yellow in, in English, yellow doesn't have really have a root. It doesn't really have a prefix or suffix. Yellow is just yellow and that's just one of those things we learn. It doesn't have anything to do with sunlight or I dunno, what </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> else is yellow?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The basics. So we're not talking about butter yellow, pale ales is talking about yellow. Okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:23]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> All right. Right. Okay. And that's all they're saying is as a culture, they notice different kind of steps. And if you have a color wheel that, that, where you identify five different colors, colors in quotes, because it starts with dark and light.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You identified dark light, red, green, and yellow as a culture. And they notice this around the world. They notice this kind of universal tendency in some 85, 89% of cultures around the world. Now I'm jumping ahead of myself because at this point in time, they're slackers and they talked with 20 different people. Right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And they kind of came up with this kind of scheme. Well, everybody flipping unloaded on them because they call them slackers like 20 people who aren't natives, who are no longer native speakers, they're bilingual speakers and the whole bit. You guys didn't do your legwork. So then they did their legwork.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They got thousands of people across the world. They talked only with native speakers. They had people go out with paint, chip samples, and they gathered all this data and they crunched it all together. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And then what happened?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> They, they found that the, it lined up fairly closely with the 20 people. So. Kind of the order that I gave is actually from the thousands of people, it's not from the 20 people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So they discovered that this was a universal trait. This is how, if you think about it, this is one of God knows how many different ways people have of describing their environment.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. I mean, it's interesting. What else do you have to say about it? I could, like, I don't want to diverge I'm going to stop myself. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:06]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, they started trying to describe that the hows and whys of how we went from, because obviously every culture, well not obviously, but 89% of cultures probably started out with just a differentiation between dark and light and then to red.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So why, why was red first? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:24]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, red is common throughout humanity. It's blood. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:29]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, why are most barns red? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:32]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> you told me why in America is because back in the day, people wanted to paint their barns because it helps protect them from weather, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So they go and they would get paint.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well, early on easiest paint to make, as it turns out is red because red is red paint is created via iron and iron is one of, if not the most common element in the soil. Common Element in soil is red. So not only do you have blood, not only do you have meat for you carnivores out there and not only is the sunrise and sunset have red kind of tones on it, but the most common element and the most common paint is red.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I remember driving through.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">they call it the Bush, but like driving through Ethiopia and there were no roads. So we were basically on sand dirt, and it was this beautiful light shade of red. Right. And then we have the red rocks in </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Colorado, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:36]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> red sand beaches in Hawaii. Really. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:40]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I've never seen the only one there on our honeymoon.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">See </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:43]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> red sand, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">oh no, maybe it was red dirt red. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh, red dirt. I remember you said sand. I went to the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:51]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> beach sand. What's the difference, woman!</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:53]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> My God. Yeah. That's where we got the really great snowcones. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:58]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> No, they were shaved ice </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">shaved ice, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">whole different animal,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> never again. I mean, we still, that was amazing how they did that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It was amazing</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hawaii. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's not like, it's not like hot enough there, but Hey, we digress. Okay. Unless you want to talk about colors on shaved ice </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:18]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> that's. Okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So anyways, so red and also red is very, very, is a very striking. You know, red is seen. In point of fact, Lenin. When I was reading about Lenin, we're talking about Vladimir Ilʹich Lenin of the Russian revolution and the whole Bolsheviks and all the Russian craziness.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">He became a revolutionary because he was at a protest, not minding his own business, but not being a front runner, but Lenin had red flipping hair and the cops noticed him. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh, ginger.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:54]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> He was a ginger and the cops noticed him. So he had to go into hiding. And basically at that point, his only he had, he had two options.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well, three options. He could, he could surrender to the police, which not really an option. He could flee the country. Challenging. Or he could overthrow the whole country. So he chose number three, which is bizarre, but Hey, there you go. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:13]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> All, because of the hair color,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> that was what, one of my textbooks espoused.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And God knows because every view of history is slightly different disagree with that. But man had red hair, man definitely noticed at a protest rally. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Anyway. So red is a striking, shocking </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> color. Okay. Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> All right. And then the hypothesis was green or yellow.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Okay. And here's the fun one. So why the differentiation? Well, as it turns out, things look yellower at certain elevations, certain longitudes and latitudes as the, as the sun curves is their theory. Yeah, which is why green things take on a more yellowish tinge or greener things take on a greener tinge. Oh </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:05]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> my goodness, Matt. This is why I never liked living in Southern California.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I kept trying to describe to people. It's like kryptonite for me. And they're like, what do you mean? I'm like the color. I can't stand the color in Los Angeles. It is this yellow, green color. That is my kryptonite. I can't, I hate that color. I never use the word hate hardly ever. I don't, but it was like, I had no energy and, you know, for a person that's very visual and, and no one understood.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They're like, what are you talking about? But it was a, it was a yellow, green, do you know what I'm talking about? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:47]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And now I do, now that we don't live in LA </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> anymore. Right. That's why I love the Pacific Northwest because it was blue, green, like the atmosphere is that color. Anyway. Sounds a weird, but it's true </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:59]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> for me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Ha shocked her today. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You didn't </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">shock me. What do you mean shocked her </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">today?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:07]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I painted that very clear picture and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:11]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> me, but I can. I can come commiserate. You did not allude. Oh, the man, the husband illuminated me. What would I do? How would I know how to tie my shoes without you?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Good Lord, honey. Go on. Get. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:28]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So that gives us green or yellow. And then the other follows closely in hand the other, the other for green or yellow, depending on their longitude and latitude. And then the rest of them kind of flow from an industrialized society, the blues blue to brown to purple orange, gray and pink.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that was, that was the theory. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:51]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So is that it? Are you done? That's enough. I'm done for now. I don't know what to add to that, other than this, have you noticed that people who live at a certain, I guess, latitude, longitude, latitude. Which one is latitude this way. I don't know.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">All right. I'll just say this people up in the north are afraid of color, but if you look at their weather, it's very monotone gray. Like let's look at Amsterdam, right? Let's look at Seattle. It's gray. It's cloudy. Most days you don't see the different colors in the sky because you have a cover of a blanket of white that turns into a gray, you know, it's very monotone and their sense of decorating is the same way.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like there's not a lot of color within these cultures if they were to be left to their own devices. That is that if they don't mix with other friends around the world who come from different cultures, Come from different parts of the plant where the sun is different, the light is different. Unless you mix with those cultures, I've noticed that homes and furniture, even food is very bland.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">No. Think about it. And all the, oh, I probably sound so racist right now, but, but if you go further to the lower half of the hemisphere, there's so much more vibrant colors in pottery, and just looking at the sky, the houses, although then nevermind. Well, let's look, but then there are parts of Europe, but then w what did they do?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They conquered other areas, maybe they came back and said, oh, let's paint some purple houses and pink houses and put them all together. You know, like, well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">purple's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:47]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> a trick, but let's talk about food for a second. And let's talk about bland food versus spicy food. Right? Well, typically what you want is you want edible food and at when things are warmer, the food spoils.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So you put more spices on, so you can't taste that the meat is turning. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:11]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What does this have to do with the color? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:12]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> This has to do with spicy versus bland food. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. Well, what, what, w where are you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> going? That's it, that's all I'm going, because I can, I can talk to that. I can't talk about why colors aren't as profuse, other than purple.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Purple is tricky, because certainly in England purple was reserved for royalty. It's a Royal color, because it was so hard. To get to </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:33]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> get. Yeah. But where did they get it from? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello? They got it from octopi. What's that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:38]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> octopus that they got from there. Octopus </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:42]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> sync. Really? I thought that was black. That's how they originally got </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:46]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I thought that was black, I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:49]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> guess it's. Purple enough. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:51]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hmm. Well, I was gonna say is usually things that are so rare, like certain jewels or even spices it's because you're going to the Southern hemisphere and the light is different and there's more color there. And there's more there more things growing because there's more sun probably.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. Or there's just the perfect combination of light, that makes you grow different things that grows more life than if you were in the north. Yes, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:20]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> absolutely. Cloud cover. Flowers evolve to be attractive to bees so that they can pollinate and they can reproduce themselves, which is if there's a lot of competition in the flower world, this is why you have such stunning orchids.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's because there's so much competition for bees because they can only pollinate so much in a day. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:42]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Uh, so the brighter and more colorful attract the bees. So why do you think that humans are not like that? Why are humans so afraid of color? Okay. I'll say this </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:58]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> is a huge prejudicial statement right there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:01]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hello. Why are Northern Europeans or Northern American areas? And you know, why is the Northern hemisphere so afraid of color.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I mean, I can take it to what's happening right now. You know, you have people that are fleeing middle Eastern countries or island nations with people that look like me darker than me. And they're not, they're not welcomed with open arms.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Why is it when, uh, oh, European Caucasian looking country is in trouble. And I, you know, first of all, we should help each other. We're all brothers and sisters, your arms should be open to humanity. However, look at how one group gets treated. I just saw a stream of things that have been happening in the past, even in the recent past of how darker people that are fleeing for their lives are kicked at the border.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And, and I'm not talking about just here in the United States with Mexico, I'm talking about Europe, how cruel people are to these people saying we have no room for you, but if they look like them, then it's like, they're there with open arms, with toys, with food, with hot and cold drinks. You name it, opening their homes to people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm not, I'm not trying to make a total blanket statement. Not everybody's like that saying, you know, you, there's no room here. Don't come here, but it just seems to be the prevalent thing. Why are people so afraid of color?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Why are people afraid to have wild colors for furniture? How about that? We talk about furniture and design. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> We can talk about cars too, if you want. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, I know cars because the police will stop you tend to stop you when you have a brighter color. If you're a gray, you kind of can. Um, or is it the other way around?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If you have a gray car, your insurance is higher. Wasn't that the case. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Wow. Really?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:05]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Because I don't know. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:07]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I think that yellow car, you look like you're traveling faster than you actually are.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:10]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Really?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:11]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:12]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hmm.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:13]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Because it grabs your attention. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So that the cop is more likely to look at you. If you're a brighter.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I don't know, this is all very complicated, like </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> bees and flowers, right? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:28]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But I swear, I heard a long time ago. If you have a gray car, your insurance is higher. Okay. Maybe because you blend in, I blend into the asphalt. Do you know what I mean? Like, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> aside from your headlights tail lights, Well, I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> mean, if you're driving during the day, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:51]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, we have daytime running lights, so I, in a lot of cars do, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:55]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but maybe if you're looking from above, maybe, I don't know, folks, guys, I don't know. It's like, this is going all over the place now. Isn't it. but like, look at us, look at how different we are. We back in the day when we actually bought a house, we don't own the house anymore, but we rent.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We bought a house. And the first thing we did after we like, you know, clean everything and change the floors, we put every color possible on the walls. We were like, please let's add some color. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, we wanted brightness. We were in Seattle. So we wanted that's what I'm saying </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> is possible, but everybody else was gray.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like we had a color. What was she called? A color consultant analyst. And she, she put up gray stuff. I'm like lady. And, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:46]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and yet though I loved it. Our bedroom was espresso, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:51]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> it was espresso. We had a Moss green wall. We had a pale ale, very bright </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:58]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> yellow. We had a divine ale. It was fine. It was called the paint company was called divine.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So yes, we had divine ale, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:43:06]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but like, and then our furniture was every color. Yes, it was, it was, um, and yeah, we're, we're, we're like, um, Cirque de Solei, you know, all the beautiful colors and wild things happening in the home. Um, all right. I don't know. But there you go. That was our conversation this week was just the meanderings of why and how.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:43:32]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> What's interesting though. The one thing that they discovered is there is a universality to at least 89% of the world and how we choose to evaluate color, which means that on some level we're all somewhat alike in how we discern these portions of the world, maybe tiny little slices of the world.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know, if you start thinking about it, we're all a lot more alike than we are different. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Not to get into the sound bite of, I don't see color and all of that kind of, you know, jibberish.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Even the way we see color is similar.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:12]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Is it? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:13]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm making that assertion. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I just said these people are afraid of color. So obviously they don't see color the way I do. They don't love color the way I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">do </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:23]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> they may be afraid of the color green, but it's still the color green.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:26]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I don't know. All right. What do you all think? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh my goodness. We're just going to agree to disagree </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:33]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> here. I'm not saying I'm disagreeing. I'm just saying I don't even know the point of it. I honestly, I've been talking about it all my life color. I, whatever, man, I just, I don't know. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:47]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Whatever, man. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:50]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> All right, let us know what you think.</span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[Flowers evolve to be attractive to bees so that they can pollinate and they can reproduce themselves, which is if there's a lot of competition in the flower world, this is why you have such stunning orchids. It's because there's so much competition for bees because they can only pollinate so much in a day; the brighter and more colorful flowers attract the bees.But where did the perception of color come from and why is there such angst about color in our conversation and our lives?
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[00:00:00] Fawn: Color is a wild thing. It comes up a lot. It's very complicated. Yes. We're recording, honey. I I've always been confused by it in photography terms because each color has a certain temperature and it's so scientific. Why are I have so many questions? And we have so many topics I wanted to discuss today, but I'll try to stick it to one.
Stick to one thing, not stick sticking to one thing, but I don't know, is this what started our color conversation? I was telling you about this person that I really like his artwork. I really like on Instagram and I usually don't follow or want to buy paintings. You know, I don't even hang up our own artwork because
be cause I feel like there's so much information and there's so much loudness happening, not loudness as in aesthetics, but loudness as an information and talking that's happening. I feel like the furniture talks to me. I feel like when there's art or a photograph, well, photograph is art, but when there's something on the wall, it's constantly communicating with you and I need some quiet, right.
Because I'm already; bear with me folks, but I already feel like even just sitting, I feel like I'm hearing and understanding, or at least taking part in whatever is happening in the world, I'm hearing it. You know what I mean? Does that sound totally off the wall? I don't want to sound too. Woo. 
[00:01:40] Matt: You know, for me as a individual, I don't like wearing logos.
I don't like wearing logos on my shirts. I don't like wearing logos on my jackets. I don't like wearing, you know, let alone a band name on it. 
[00:01:54] Fawn: That's because it's talking to other people it's not talking to you. Is it talking to you? 
[00:01:58] Matt: The thing is, is that I feel the need then to defend whatever it is I'm wearing.
So like it's like I could never get a tattoo because I'd have to defend that forever. 
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Social penetration was theorized in the seventies by two sociologists trying to figure out how people become friends and attempting to categorize different kinds of classifications of friends. We break down five stages of friendship today to better understand our relationships.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">#ErwinAltman, #universityofUtah, #DolmasTaylor, #universityofDelaware, #socialpenetrationtheory, #sociology, #orientationphase, #affectversuseffect, #deepfriendships, #relationships, #stablestage, #de-penetrationstage, #conceptofself, #society, #friendship, #spiritualconnection, #socialmedia, #zoom, #exploratoryaffective, #socialexchangetheory, #successproposition, #costsandrewardsofrelationships, #Aristotle'sNicomacheanethics, #cottoncandyfriends</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. Hi everybody. Welcome back. Hello. Welcome to our friendly world. Have a beautiful every day. Are you having a beautiful day, a beautiful evening. Beautiful afternoon. Um, do it. Hi everyone. So Matt, Matt's going to kick it off today with a horrible, horrible, nasty title.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Thanks for that</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:27]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I mean, you didn't make it up, but go figure the patriarchy did, right? From the what? 1950s, seventies, 1970s. Same difference. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Seventies was a very different time than the fifties. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:39]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So who are these guys? Erwin Altman of the university of Utah. And Dolmas Taylor of the university of Delaware. We have no idea how these guys knew each other.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Were they friends? I don't know. Do you know? Absolutely. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:53]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> But they were researchers. Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:56]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Sociologists. So check it out, guys. Take it away. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Matt, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:59]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> social penetration theory. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> ewe. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah, exactly. There is a little aspect of, oh dear. </span></span></p>
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[00:00:00] Fawn: Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. Hi everybody. Welcome back. Hello. Welcome to our friendly world. Have a beautiful every day. Are you having a beautiful day, a beautiful evening. Beautiful afternoon. Um, do it. Hi everyone. So Matt, Matt's going to kick it off today with a horrible, horrible, nasty title.
[00:00:26] Matt: Thanks for that
[00:00:27] Fawn: I mean, you didn't make it up, but go figure the patriarchy did, right? From the what? 1950s, seventies, 1970s. Same difference. 
[00:00:37] Matt: Seventies was a very different time than the fifties. 
[00:00:39] Fawn: So who are these guys? Erwin Altman of the university of Utah. And Dolmas Taylor of the university of Delaware. We have no idea how these guys knew each other.
Were they friends? I don't know. Do you know? Absolutely. 
[00:00:53] Matt: But they were researchers. Yes. 
[00:00:56] Fawn: Sociologists. So check it out, guys. Take it away. 
Matt, 
[00:00:59] Matt: social penetration theory. 
[00:01:02] Fawn: ewe. 
[00:01:03] Matt: Yeah, exactly. There is a little aspect of, oh dear. 
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Social penetration was theorized in the seventies by two sociologists trying to figure out how people become friends and attempting to categorize different kinds of classifications of friends. We break down five stages of friendship today to better understand our relationships.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. Hi everybody. Welcome back. Hello. Welcome to our friendly world. Have a beautiful every day. Are you having a beautiful day, a beautiful evening. Beautiful afternoon. Um, do it. Hi everyone. So Matt, Matt's going to kick it off today with a horrible, horrible, nasty title.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Thanks for that</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:27]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I mean, you didn't make it up, but go figure the patriarchy did, right? From the what? 1950s, seventies, 1970s. Same difference. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Seventies was a very different time than the fifties. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:39]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So who are these guys? Erwin Altman of the university of Utah. And Dolmas Taylor of the university of Delaware. We have no idea how these guys knew each other.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Were they friends? I don't know. Do you know? Absolutely. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:53]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> But they were researchers. Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:56]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Sociologists. So check it out, guys. Take it away. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Matt, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:59]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> social penetration theory. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> ewe. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah, exactly. There is a little aspect of, oh dear. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Would you rather, it was called the social diffusion theory because diffusion is perhaps a, perhaps a nicer way of saying </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I was thinking about it in the bathroom, I was thinking, what if we called it the social dance theory, but it was close to STD. It was S D T </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I think either way, this kind of, whatever we're talking about can go awry. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:32]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> As most things, I suppose. Can </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Go for it? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Social penetration theory as, um, theorized in the seventies. This is two sociologists getting together, trying to figure out how people become friends, is very Greek in that they're attempting to categorize different kinds of classifications of friends. And honestly, on some level, it all feels very intuitive, but they, it is an objective theory because they actually did do experiments to quote unquote, prove what it is we're talking about.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:03]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I thought it was all experimental. I thought it was all experiments being done that it wasn't a one-on-one case basis. It was purely </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">scientific. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:12]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> But that's just, it, you start with your theory and then you attempt to prove it. I don't believe they started with a completely blank canvas to try and understand how people become friends.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:22]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So I don't know, in the different categories thereof. Okay. So start from the beginning. Give us a quick definition of what this is. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:28]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It's defining different categories of friendships and how you move from one category to another category. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:36]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And what all that means. So let's get into it. Let's go. I'm ready.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Okay. So they described five stages or steps and stage one is orientation. This is the stranger on a train stranger on a plane. They said stranger on a train, which I thought was funny. I think of it, a stranger on a plane where you're just kind of, you're kind of in this position where you're next to somebody for an hour.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And if you start the conversation, it's the types of things you usually talk about. So it's very small talky. It's very non intimate and they describe.; They have this whole theory of people are like onions and I do too, but people are like onions and what you see on the outside is the simplest kind of non-subjective things like, you see if somebody's, male or female, you see, what race someone is, how tall they are, that kind of stuff.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that's the kind of initial things you get into with small talk, you know, where are you from? These aren't opinions, these are just things. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:38]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So this is the first layer. This is called the orientation stage and orientation, that onion, they, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> they referred to it's the internal personal stuff. It's where it gets weird.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:50]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So how's this different than the onion. Okay. Are you going to get into that? Are you going to explain how is what you're just taught the five stages, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:57]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> the stages are you and someone else. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But isn't that the layers of </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">the onion? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:02]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, it's what you choose to reveal about yourself. All right. Nevermind. Yeah. And it's all fluff.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:07]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It's all messed up. Okay. Anyways, let's keep going. Okay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So once you get past this orientation phase, I think we've all, I think we all have a fairly keen </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> understanding of what that I don't, because I don't have small talk. So when we talked about this, I said, well, yeah, well, this is how I operate. And every single time you're like, well, it doesn't include you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">'cause you said I'm weird like that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:28]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And that's, that's the problem here folks is there are moments in time where I think I very much fall into the quote-unquote standards, but Fawn rarely does, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:38]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> which is a problem, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:40]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> which isn't a problem. It's hard for you to understand how other people process, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:44]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> right. It is.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So I don't have small talk. Orientation stage for me is I scan the person. And I can feel their entire life history and I'll get into it immediately. The stranger on the bus or the train or the plane.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So that's first stage for me, but I don't count. So I'm just going to try to be quiet, so, okay. What is small talk honey explained to me? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, what is that? Okay. Strange. Where are you coming from? Where are you going to, what are you going to do there? That's small talk. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's small talk, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:19]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> is small talk also the weather.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. Small talk is the weather </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:22]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> is small talk. How about those Mets? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. All right. Cool. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah. Oh, I don't follow baseball. There's like, there's no judgment there. You're just, it's very, fact-based kind of back and forth and you're and if somebody offers an opinion, it's not going to be odds are, you're not asking about deep your, your.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Deep seated core beliefs. And they're not talking about their deep seated core beliefs because </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:46]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> you're not invested you. Don't like there's a, there's a total division, right? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:51]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It's, it's rare that small talk leads to somebody trying to convert you to Buddhism or Christianity or whatever. Cause it's small talk.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're just hanging out. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:01]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:02]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So then they describe the next phase. Is this exploratory effective. And again, welcome to sociologists. They love sticking big words that seem like they mean a lot. It kind of means the next phase. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. So it's called exploratory affective affective with an a, so I always have to look this up affect versus effect. Affect with an a a F F E C T is a verb effect is the noun.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And it's the quantity, the it's the consequences of an affect So effect is the outcome of an affect. Does that make sense? Yeah, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it does, Affect as a verb, effect as a noun, but on some level, it doesn't matter. These are just words that they chose to attach to the next stage. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:53]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, then if you're going to think about it like that, nothing matters.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Who cares, everything was just words and numbers. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:00]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> There you go. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. It's step three. Wait, is this three or two? I'm sorry. So this one is called. Why aren't we talking about, I thought three was affective </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> don't jump ahead, woman. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:12]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm sorry. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:14]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> we're on stage two, which is, oh, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I see. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Exploratory Affective. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:18]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Sorry. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Thank you. This is what happens when I attempt to leave the show folks</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">anyways. So this is where you start to get more real with each other. This is you are more intimate. You can get into moderate topics. Now there's a lot of hot button topics right now that people won't touch particularly kind of red vs. Blue topics. This isn't those types of things.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">This is. Yes. Go ahead. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:45]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Explain to me what this is, because obviously, I don't know, because I'm an uncouth in that manner. So start revealing inner-self little by little. How does that work? Can you explain me an example? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:59]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It's a delicate dance. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:01]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Which I know nothing about. Right. So can you explain it to me?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:07]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Uh, when you choose to reveal. So again, let's talk stranger on a train and let's talk about going through this, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> hold on, stop. Stop. How about if I'm the stranger and you're coming to me, you've done the small talk. Now we're going to go to stage two exploratory affective. So I'll just be quiet. So you show me what that is because obviously if I'm, well, I need to learn.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I don't, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">because they don't understand.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I get it. Unfortunately, this is scientists attempting to categorize labels. Um, and honestly it's an infinite spectrum, but this takes us into, so you're a stranger. We've had our small talk. Where are you going? Where are you coming from? Wow. That's a, that's a cute skirt or whatever, you know, that kind of stuff.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Where'd you get it? That kind of stuff. Now, all of a sudden unrequested by you, maybe I start showing you pictures of my kids. So I'm making myself more vulnerable. Okay. Cause you could be like, oh my God, that's an ugly child. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:07]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Or would it be safe to say I just experienced this. I'm trying to think of something I don't know, or </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">like </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:15]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> me maybe revealing that, , I served in the military or, you know, where all of a sudden people start to have a pre judged notions.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:24]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What if you had an extraordinary day and you start saying, let me tell you about what just happened to me. Like the weirdest mysterious, coincidence just happened to me. Would that be okay or is that too far?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">. Well, you're, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:36]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> you're moving into the more intimate stage. So yes, it's totally okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:39]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Would this fall into the exploratory affective stage?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:43]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It depends on me. And it depends on you, honestly, this is all feeling out. This is more like I'm kind of feeling you out as far as, your opinions on things, but like opinions on stuff that I kind of don't care if we disagree, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> basically. You're just revealing your inner self little by little, like your inner self rather than the weather outside.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yes. Okay. I got it. I think I got it. Okay. Okay. Sorry for interrupting. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:09]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It's totally fine.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:10]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I just want to learn now. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:12]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Here's where it gets fun most. Oh, it's almost painful to say this, but most friendships stop here. Most friendships stop here. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:21]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's just it. And that's where I'm always saying, is this a true friendship because yeah, this is still an acquaintance level, isn't it?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's still </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:29]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> very acquaintancy. Absolutely. And this can be work relationships and this can be, even familial relationships or in-laws style relationships or room mate kind of relationships. They can stop here where, you know, you're basically just kinda like, yeah, how's it going? And you know, I'm not, I'm not here to criticize </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">basically.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:53]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Is this the one where you were explaining it as this is your opinion that this is the friend zone? Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:59]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> There's definitely the friend zone. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:01]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> As in, it's kind of related to dating all these different stages. But this is the friend zone, meaning not friendship, friendship, the way we're talking about, but like you're stuck in the friend zone.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's not going to go anywhere else. Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:14]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And this is stuck in the friend zone. Now this is the path to a real romantic relationship, but you're not there yet. And you may never get there. Yes, it's exactly what we're </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">describing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So can we take this talk and not refer</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">to it as a romantic relationship, but still treat it the same way you explore or romantic relationship, the romantic relationship in this case, being your romantic ideal would be that you would find your best friend.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Okay. That's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:43]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> fine. Does that make sense? Right. And, and no, going to a dating metaphor. I mean, uh, a romantic relationship is a friendship is a very close, deep friendship. It's a bond on many, you know, on 85 other levels, it exists as well, but on that level, it does exist.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Once the subtle nuance is the exploratory effective. Hold on. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Wait, wait, are you moving to step three right now? No. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You said something really interesting about step two, which was again the exploratory affective stage. And when you mentioned that this is the safe zone, you said something really profound to me and it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:28]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> explains later on in our conversation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:30]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> No, no, no. It's still about this particular stage though. I know, but, but you said this is where people can't hurt you. And I think, and I think that's why people are afraid to really reveal themselves and to have true friendship, because it does require some work to have a true friendship and that work could be being, revealing, revealing yourself </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:59]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> where you have to make yourself vulnerable in order to really deepen a friendship or relationship. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:05]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> The fear of being hurt keeps people at this superficial stage. Can I call it a superficial stage? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:15]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I mean, we don't want to call it a superficial stage, but yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:18]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm done. So, okay, stage three. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. So exploratory affective in their minds can turn into the affective stage. And again, this all, to me, there's an infinite levels of nuance and subtlety and a million other things. And you can drift in and out of different stages at different times and all the rest of it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:37]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So this is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:38]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> affective.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So this is just a straight up affective stage three. And this is where all of a sudden you start really getting criticism. And you start arguing about aspects of your core beliefs, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:51]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> because this is where you have now shared your personal and private matters .</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So you're starting to share the things that you hold more deeply.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And this is where you said criticism com arguments. So </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:06]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it doesn't sound very, it doesn't sound very, um, uh, Friendly does it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:11]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It makes sense though. Remember when we had our first big fight and one of our friends congratulated us, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> congratulate you. I didn't hear about it, but you were there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:21]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What you there? I thought you were there. She congratulated us and said, well done. Now you can move forward. And I said, what the hell are you talking about? It's over? And she said, well, now you've had your argument and your criticism. Now, and now I can see what she meant. Like we moved to stage three.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well, honestly, because we didn't want to separate, even though we had these criticisms and arguments. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:50]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And the other thing that you learn about the other person is how they fight. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oopsies</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And I always described this to different people, who are just getting into a romantic relationship.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's like, when you do have a big fight, do you throw everything you can at the person to hurt them? Are you taking every piece of knowledge that you've ever learned about this person and you just want to hurl it back at them and hurt them. Or do you want to talk about what you're arguing about and are you going to be respectful and are you going to be mindful?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And are you going to, not go for that because there is literally, and I believe this every single relationship that I have with the exception of my wife, because I think we have a very different, much more evolved relationship. In every relationship I have. And that includes, you know, the boss, I just met a week ago to, the grocer up the street who checks me out to friends I've had for years texting him.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well, you know, like, uh, God, but I believe that there's a series of 10 words I can string together that will terminate that relationship. And, it's not necessarily things I believe. But,, if I go into my boss and I say you're a no nothing do nothing ridiculous cartoon of a person, I'm probably going to get fired.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that's an extreme example, but I believe that exists in just about every relationship. So when you fight, there's that string of 10 words you can put together. And if you do, then you're done. And if you choose not to, if you choose to be respectful, if you choose to be mindful, if you're just going and arguing about what you're arguing about, but you're trying to be respectful on both sides.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And this is a two way street, then, your relationship has a chance to further deepen. Otherwise it's done. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:41]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Thank </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">you. I went through this a few years ago with the yoga people. They were disrespectful. We reached a point in our friendship where we had reached such intimacy. And then all of a sudden they threw nuclear bombs at me during a conflict that was involving our group.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And that was it. Like, and they, they thought they could just go back to normal. That's how they treated each other. They could throw out these destructive words. But in their own families, they would just get on with it and never expressed any kind of communication about why that was said. They just pretended it wasn't said.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And again, familial relationships in-laws, people you work with and are going to continue to work with. Cause I just described a scenario where I would stop working there, obviously. They're different and they don't follow these rules because in many ways you're kind of in prison with them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And your only choice is to sever all contact or continue to figure out how to make it. Okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:42]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Got it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:43]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And yeah, I'm not a figuring out how to make it okay kind of person.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Affective relationships actually also lead us into this is where romantic relationships can be given, which is kind of fun. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:56]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So, yeah, that makes sense. When we had our arguments, that's when we developed our marriage actually, well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> that point predicated on, I mean, you don't have to duke it out and you could have, you could have</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">deep seeded friendships or deep friendships with people. You've never argued with , you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> can, you can balance the criticism </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:18]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It's a bellwether though, of things because you're now throwing out things that might be controversial. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:24]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right. And if you can maneuver it without getting burned, I don't know how else to describe it, but if you can handle the criticism and the arguments and the relationship still survives,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">or it flourishes actually, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> but this also leads us to why people who agree on everything can have deep friendships because they can reveal all these inner things about themselves. But the other person is basically in the exact same boat so they reveal the exact same thing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's kind of </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">boring. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:54]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You know, I'm not going to argue that, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:56]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I would prefer to have people that I totally don't understand for a little bit.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Because I want to grow like that, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:02]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Sometimes friendships are just a case of two people who just agree on everything and there's nothing wrong with that. You know, maybe they grew up in the same small town and lived there for 40 years and</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:11]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I just don't </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">think you can grow as human beings like that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You can't </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">stretch. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:15]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> We're talking about friendships. We're not talking about personal growth. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:18]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, for me, friendship And personal growth go hand in hand and again, so that's me once again, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and this is tricky. Because I'm not going to disagree with you on that level. I agree on many levels, but I can have a friend who I just agree with.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There's nothing wrong with that. I dig </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I don't know that to me is just an acquaintance though. You know? No. What if, like we always talk about this, like how people get in trouble because they're surrounded by yes men or yes women. Yes. Yes. Yes. You just want to agree all the time. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:49]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Me that's different.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Okay. You know, I'm a, yes, man is someone who says yes, regardless of what they believe, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but it's the same outcome. If you're both, if both sides are constantly in agreement, then everything outside of that agreement is other. And therefore you have separation. Therefore you can't have a society that can easily.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">dance together. That's a problem. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah. But I'm not talking about all friendships should be this way. I'm just saying it's okay to have a friend who's just like you. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:24]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Or even many friends. It, it just, you get into a mindset of too much self-belief that you're right. If everybody always agrees with you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">So that takes us. Okay. So we started an orientation then exploratory affective then affective, and then the next level number four, stable, which wow. It's a place where things are just on the level. I mean, they're really not, but now you're in a place of honesty, like almost complete honesty, spontaneity. And I think most importantly, you've gotten to a point where you can predict your friends' emotional reactions to various, to be scientific stimuli, but to various things that you might bring up.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Again, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">this seems kind of superficial, but it makes sense </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:20]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> because it's no other person. Now, this person has chosen to share a lot of a lot. If not all, not, I don't think we actually ever share all of what we are, but they've shared most of what they are with you when you shared most of what you are with them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm sorry. I'm going to interject, but like every single one, I have a major disagreement with right here. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Of course.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:42]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I don't think, first of all, I, but you're right. Like you were saying, what did you call me today? No, stop it. What'd you call me today? You said, what'd you call me when I said, am I, you said you don't </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">count.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I did say you don't count. Yes I did folks! </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Like, whatever, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:01]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> whenever we can, we, can you explain, can you. Why did you say, I don't count because it sounds horrible. And </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But you didn't mean it like that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> in computer programming, there are these things called edge cases, which are where everything's kind of backwards or it could never happen in the real world, or it's so rare to happen in the real world that maybe we don't take it into account.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">It's like theories are good for 80% of the people. 89 or 90 or 95 or 99.9. But it's rare you can find something that's for a hundred percent of the people, other than stuff like you breathe air it's has it's like these really kind of course fundamental things. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:44]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Therefore you get people like me who don't fit in.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yes. Who is the odd </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">duck? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:48]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. Who doesn't understand why they don't fit in. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So true. So stable stage, some of the deepest personal thoughts, beliefs and values are shared and reactions of the other person is predicted by the other person. Well, I was going to say, I can never predict unless I get into a psychic mode.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I can't predict what someone's going to say. I'm never going to hold that on anyone, because I feel like every human being is an ever evolving, changing. Second millisecond after millisecond. I am, I'm never going to say, this is how this person is going to react. I don't have that ability. I'm I'm not, I don't even want that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So I will never hold anyone to that, to, to say, this is what they're going to be thinking, or this is going to be their reaction. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I don't do that</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:43]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> action as to how you're going to think. I'm not necessarily a hundred percent accurate, but I'm probably accurate </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">more often than not. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But you're saying this is the majority.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Society is this way. So let's just go with that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Leave me out of it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:54]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And you're in when you have a stable friendship or relationship </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:58]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> again, I don't think my friends ever know where I'm going to, what I'm going to do next. Honestly. Do you, do you honestly, do you, can you really read any </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:09]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> emotional reactions?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. Okay. So wait a second. Wait, I know that if I was to make pancakes. And I was to leave flour everywhere in the kitchen, like just a thin layer of flour, everyone in the kitchen. And I left every pot and pan out that I used. And I made crap pancakes. I know how you're going. React </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">to that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> My lips here are disappearing, folks.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Remember when I told you when a person's lips disappear, that means they don't like what they're hearing. Okay, fine. I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">get it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:44]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Okay. I mean that, I know what emotional reaction you're going to have when you come in the kitchen, it's not going to be wow. Pancakes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:51]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">but again, that's a very general, like big example talking about complex and they get </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:58]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> more complex as you get into more and more </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">of it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I see. I don't like scientific studies because things change all the time, but </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:07]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> here's the thing, things change all the time. And while they do describe five levels, each level has an infinite number of nuances to it. Got it. So it's like, you're moving from, you're moving from, you're moving from blue to violet.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're not in stage fourmoving to stage five here and you're in this element, this asset, this hue of violet. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:33]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Are you bringing the chakra system into play now, honey? Nope. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Nope. It's all about pickles and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">chakras. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:39]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh, Guys chakra is the chakra of the Meridian Shakra (pronouncing with an sh sound) means cucumber everybody in the yoga world.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So when people say your "shakra" your throat chakra (pronouncing it with an sh) you're saying your throat cucumber it's it's Chuck like chocolate. Okay, bye. Next, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:59]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> hold on. So stable relationships, spontaneity also factors, which is fun. I don't think I mentioned that. And then we get into. And this is just kind of the catch all last basin </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">to me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:13]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What stage are we at right now? We're in the stable, which is four. Okay. Are you, are you moving on to five by now? Okay. Let us know where you're going. I'm </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> getting just the catchall honestly. And that's they call it God. How? Because it is social penetration theory. This would be the de-penetration stage</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">can't help it. It's just funny. And that's just what it is. , and different points in time, different words and words are funny and aren't funny, but anyways, um, and that just is when you start like withdrawing from the friend, from whatever stage you are in the friendship. And so you can literally go from a stable relationship to a exploratory affective. You can actually just regress all the way back.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:01]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So number five, relationship starts breaking down. , negative emotions, negative talk starts coming in. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:09]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right? Well, this is like if we've gotten to a place and you and I disagree about something that turns out is very, very important. You think you shouldn't have to shower every day.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I do now I'm kidding. We're talking about really more deep seated things that you just have a fundamental disagreement with. And I don't want to even talk about what an example of one of those, cause everything, everything in there is incendiary, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:29]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> so, okay. So anything more to say on this? So that was stage five.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That would be stage five. But then they showed the onion and they said there are six, six layers, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:42]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> six layers of who you are is what </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">they believe. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:45]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So the sixth one, the layer would be your, what, your inner self, your inner </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:51]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> most self, which is concept of self concept of self. Yes. So, you know, depending on how you view it, it's like I am the center of the universe.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The world will die at my end, that kind of stuff. And that's really, you know, we start getting very Freudian Jungian or something. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Um, excuse me, this whole thing is very Freud. And I mean, look at the stages. You're like, you meet the person and you're like, Hey, and then you get closer and then you get to this stage and then there was penetration.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then there's de-penetration. It's this is purely from a patriarchal, Freudian. And I don't like, this is, this is the act of sex basically, but we're taking it to a friendship level or they were trying to talk about a friendship level, but like seriously talk about Freud. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:44]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> They shouldn't have called it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well, yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Welcome to the patriarchal society</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:50]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> anyways, but now circling back now that we're, now that we've talked about the five, I'm only really interested in the four, when things start to fall apart, things start to fall apart. And that's what it is. And it's going to stop where both parties are going to be happy with where the relationship stops.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So either you stop completely talking to each other, or you go from being best as buddies to just talking about like, oh yes, and the weather was this and your kids are doing what and just strictly kind of a fact-based thing. But anyways, not that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Do you think you can go from four back to a one with the same people?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yeah. So like you developed a friendship and you're like, no, no, no, no, no. Here we go. So you think you can go from five to one, so the, it starts breaking down. Right? Right. And then can you, with the same people go back to the one, which is pure small talk. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah. But again, I think in many ways it's so easy to just cast someone adrift so that you kind of have to be in that situation where this is somebody who is in your sphere enough. So you have to like play nice. So maybe this is someone in church. So you see them in church every Sunday. And you talk before the sermon begins. You know, you talk before, um, the service begins and you talk for five minutes when the service ends </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> friends though, like with major friends, who've known each other for years.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Life happens. Things happen. The world changes and you find yourself going different directions and you have fundamental disagreements and you don't want to give up this beautiful person. So you go back to the small talk. Maybe I can see that. I mean, I can't handle that, but I can see that happening. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:39]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, not for me, but </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:40]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> what do you mean not for you?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Are you making fun of </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">me? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:44]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I didn't get </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it. If they have to ask you blown it folks. Anyways, now what's interesting is again, in their postulating, they postulated that the orientation phase and the exploratory affective phase require proximity; require you to be close to that person. Now in the 1970s, being close to somebody meant actually occupying a similar physical space.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It involved, you know, uh, you're in the same carpool group with your kids, your attending the same karate class, your again in church. I mean, you see these people frequently, but what's interesting is the world has evolved from this state.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:27]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yes, yes. To both. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You know, there are things that are, have gotten much more, much more better, and things that have gotten much more, not better, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:38]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> much more better, babe. I did. Oh, my Orwellian today then. Okay. So what's your point? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, what does, I wonder what proximity really means nowadays? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:50]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. The past week we've been talking about is zoom</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">approximate enough. I was talking to some friends and they were arguing with me about; I don't think there's an epidemic of loneliness. So I don't see your point. And they were saying that their case is that the last two years, so many people have become friends over zoom (so have I), but their theory is that that means the end of the loneliness epidemic is here because there are plenty of people on zoom.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I said, well, good for you, but no, it's like getting married and you're in the honeymoon stage. And you were like, well, I found a partner so there, you know, I got it. But then what happens when you get into the deeper realms and you have the arguments? Do we, as a society truly have all the tools? Do we really understand the art of friendship to know how to</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">maneuver and dance and move through together through the arguments and the disagreements, just because you've finally found a friend, great. That's wonderful. I just think that our society really needs to take a good look at the art of it all and understand how to maneuver and how to really hold someone; hold someone's beliefs , and not let it shatter you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Do you know what I mean? But let it, let it surprise you and elevate you and expand you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Absolutely. No abs absolutely. But it's kind of weird. I was approaching this a much more superficially. I was just talking about whether or not proximity; if zoom really zoom, social media, email messaging is sufficient to kind of negate this whole 1970 style view of what proximity means. I mean, does that mean that you're in proximity to one another?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:46]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I say, yes. I say yes to a degree. I think after a while though, I totally want to be with people in person. I definitely have people that I consider sisters and we've been on zoom for two, two years. Right. Because we're all scattered around the planet. I cannot wait to get together with them, but I have to say, yeah, I would say yes, zoom is definitely being in the same room, but it's also, you can look at it at a spiritual level.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If you're connected, if you have that kind of connection, that spiritual connection, it is being the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">same room. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:22]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, it gets fun because we're talking about kind of, I'm talking about the first two levels of a friendship or relationship, which is orientation and exploratory, oh God, a term exploratory affective, which is where you're still not sharing the core fundamental beliefs.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They believe that proximity is important now where it gets interesting is proximity is not important for the later two stages affective and stable. However, they require effort. They don't require proximity, whereas stage one and two require proximity, but don't require effort. And by effort, I mean, like you have to stay in contact, on some level you have to come up with some way of staying in contact with that person, some way of staying connected to that person.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:13]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> This is where the, advice would come in from my older friends when I was dating. Keep it light. They would always say don't reveal too much on the first few dates. Keep it light. And I think that's where the one and two are. Correct?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:29]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Absolutely. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:30]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You're not going deep and heavy and philosophical about anything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're just, just have a good time, but, you can totally have a good time and be deep. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You can tell me, have a good time and be deep, but it's easier early on when you're starting to discover things about the other. If you don't start by going super deep. You start by talking about favorite TV shows and favorite musical styles, and that starts to lead you into an argument about maybe political beliefs.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And other more deep seeded things.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">What's interesting is the social penetration theory came in the seventies and there's an even earlier theory.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">God help us now, this one, fortunately, isn't so poorly named it's called the social exchange theory. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:19]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah, I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">like that much better. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah. And it's bred from the fifth. And what's interesting to me as a computer programmer </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:26]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> it's bread?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:27]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Bred, bred out of the fifties. So it's no B R E D not B R E a D. So it was born out of the fifties.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's probably born out of the late forties, but that's a whole other story. And this is, as a computer programmer, this is the days where computers were so fascinating and they almost describe our interactions like computer programs, because a computer program can model a specific part of the world.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So it's a convenient little snippet and they started talking about like risks versus rewards and they talk about, Yeah, basically risks versus rewards and why we choose to do thing "A" over thing "B"and it's very terse and it's very, almost like if this action then that action always.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So they talk about this whole concept of a success proposition, which is, if I'm rewarded for a given action, I'll repeat it. So as a baby, if I giggle, then, I get thrown up in the air or whatever, you know, uh, my parents clap their hands. So I know if I giggle that it'll happen, but it all seems like there's so many environmental factors to it, that things become tricky. But this starts to kind of dictate, they believe dictating our behavior. So if I'm in a relationship with someone, I know if I do X, then I'll get Y back and it's very transactional. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. Are you ready for my theory? Do you have anything else to add? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> We'll not the success proposition of things, but then they talk about stimulus and that's kind of the other counterpoint.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It feels like to the success proposition, which is, the more often I get a given stimulus the more likely I'll respond to it, I'll do something about it. Which is interesting. And again, it kind of refers to us as this kind of one dimensional critters, but it's a convenient way of looking at things.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then the last one, which destroys everything I just said is the more often I receive an award, the less valuable it becomes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:26]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Let me know when you're done. I'm done. All right. So here's my theory. I just came up. You know, originally my theory was we have a problem with friendships and relationships because of the nuclear family, because of the way that we decided, especially within our culture here in the United States, because of the way we work, because of the way we have to make a living because of the way certain values came into place.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like, you know, a job is more valuable than a relationship because I have to feed the family. So I'm going to go over here. I may not see you, but I'm providing the family with food and shelter by working over here. And that's totally acceptable because you have a job to do. You can't come over for Thanksgiving.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Oh, that's okay if it's a job, but it's not okay if you don't feel like it. Do you know what I'm saying? Are the way we treat our children and our elders in our family, the way that society was structured because of the way we have to make a living, the way that children are born and immediately placed into daycare, the way that elders reach a certain age and they're put into daycare.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That separation; I think the loneliness epidemic stems from that. And it's not just a loneliness epidemic, but just like looking at relationships, that's where it comes from. The way we treat ourselves, the way we treat family is the way we treat our friends. And now listening to the social exchange theory, I think.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">What'd you say that came from out of the 1940s and fifties? Yep. It's interesting to me because what they are valuing here is costs and rewards of relationships.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:15]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yep.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And when you go back, like our foundation for what we're talking about here with friendship is Greek and it comes from Aristotle. It comes from Aristotle's Nicomachean ethics.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">When he talks about friendship, he said there are three kinds of. There is a friend that is friends with you purely because of the way they feel around you. So they feel a certain way being near you. That's why they are your friend. There's a second type of friend who is friends with you because they're getting something from you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And then there's a third friend who has to do with pure love. They just love you as a person as a whole entity, which means if you're in a bad, bad mood, they love you. You're going through hard times. They love you. You're laughing. You're having a good time. They love you. You've hit it big with money.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're now a multi gazillionaire. They love you. You're a broke and on their couch. They love you. That's the number three friend. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You can morph and trans morph in any shape and they love you. That's the number three friend. I think here with the social exchange theory, where there is such an emphasis on costs and rewards and losses and gains, this is I think, where our society went into trouble, because this has subliminally or not, has become the norm or the means to success is always looking at the losses and the gains in a situation; that you look at everything in life as: is it going to benefit me or not? And I think that's not a good way to look at things. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:02]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well you also have to take a look at the world of the ancient Greek versus the world of now.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And, you know, honestly, I, again, theorizing on the fly here, folks, but the world of the Greek, it was almost like everybody in your proximity, you're in this, familial type relationship that you couldn't, you can't break out of. And so some people you stick in the acquaintance zone and some people you stick in the, I love you zone. And some people you stick somewhere in between, but you kind of can't escape them. And where we sit now, Anybody, I don't want to be friends with, I can unfriend on Facebook. I can not go to that market anymore. I can.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:44]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I understand that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I can deny them on my phone </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">are </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> you done? (Matt </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:50]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> laughs).</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:51]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I got it. I got though all the ways that you can disconnect. What I'm saying is what we're saying with the art of friendship is that our muscle for handling conflict and handling a loss and a gain is just so specific that there's no, it's just easy to just neglect. And it's also easy to just stay in something that doesn't work for you because it doesn't require a lot of momentum, a lot of work, so I can stay in a bad friendship.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">'cause, I don't want to work at it and use my muscles to know that I deserve better than this or the other way around </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:43:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> so yeah, I would, I would argue that it's easy for me to terminate a friendship. Yeah. I can just find another one exactly.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And find another, because </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:43:40]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> , we live in a disposable society. We don't go through the motions of truly knowing ourselves and valuing ourselves. So that we can just look at a person, not take everything so personally, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:43:53]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right. I just, yeah. Going through the motions was a painful way of putting it, but I understand where you were going with it, but it's not going through the motions.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's actually going through the voyage of self-discovery to figure out who you are. Going through, the motions makes it sound like it's just kind of, I'm just doing this just to do it. Syntax: it's not a problem. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Were describing that if you don't know you, if you don't truly know yourself, it's hard to have friends and you're right. But you said going through the motions of finding yourself,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:19]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> that's all. I was just going, I'm going back to the stage where we come into conflict, right? We have disagreements. Yes. I am saying if we are truly in your center. Spiritually in all ways, right? Physically, if you're a totally centered, it won't bother you, that Susie can come and say something outrageous to you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You can still love her. You don't have to be best friends with her, but it won't rock you. It won't, it won't angrify you as much. That's my own personal word. ANGRIFY</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:57]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Honestly. I think people are maybe too sensitive at this point, as far as, you know, if you disagree with me on this one point</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">that's kind of important to me, it starts gaining an importance in your own mind if you disagree with someone about it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:11]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, do you know why? My, my belief on why that is is because we are now in a constant state of confusion, everything is so confusing. And I think it's made to be that way in our society deliberately for a sense of control over the massive population.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But if you're, if you're constantly confused, you can't really know what your center is anymore. So I'm saying it's important to just be centered and not become so effected by someone else. And therefore you can have the capacity to be friends with someone else because you're not going to get hurt. And it sounds like I'm being superficial.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like, it sounds like we're going back to the orientation stage where you're just having small talk. But what I'm saying is you can go deep. As long as you're centered. And I think this is maybe another show. See, this is why I should not talk so much because now I'm not going off on a completely other tangent.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:09]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I think that's fine. Again, wordsmithing it. I don't know if I would necessarily put it out that way. In what way would I say not going to be hurt? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:18]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, that's what you said. You said. Stage number. I think it was two, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:23]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> but I think you can stay in the safe </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:26]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> zone. You don't get </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:27]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> hurt. Right? I think you can go further and you can stay in a zone that's further than this friend zone, so you can be hurt.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But if you know yourself, you can stay friends with them. You can still </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:38]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> get majorly disappointed. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:39]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah, absolutely. But that doesn't mean you can't, hang out, you can't be friends with them. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:45]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> All right. So those are the stages. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:47]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yep. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You can be friends, not be friends. You can have superficial friends. Can we call them, Cotton Candy Friends?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">How about that? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> ahhhhh...cotton candy,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:56]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> you know, just fun, but there are friends for every situation. I've always said this even your best, best, best friend may not have the capacity to be your friend at every stage in life. They don't have the capacity for that. That's why it's important to have a community. Because Holly may not handle my whatever I'm going through that may be heavy all the time. So I need to talk to a Bertha, spread it out a little bit, right? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:29]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes no argument. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:30]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But the joy that should be going to everybody. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:33]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So every time you have something wonderful happen, call everybody up, text everybody up and say, yo, this happened. Do you know what I mean?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. The really heavy stuff. I think that we should be judicious </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:50]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> selective </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:50]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and parceling it out here </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and there</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:53]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> but it's important to get it out. Absolutely. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. I thought I could wrap this up. Like I thought I had a pretty little bow, but I think that's it. What do you think? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Certainly interesting.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Certainly something to consider. I thought it was fascinating that certain aspects of friendship, at least to these guys requires proximity and proximity shifts all the time, but it still does. And then the others definitely require effort. So if it was me and the big lesson I take away from this is for the people I want to stay close, to get close to. A) I have to make myself vulnerable. B) I got to put in some effort </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and the effort is actually fun.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But you have to do it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:36]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> All right. That's it I think, let us know what you think. Reach out to us, you know, our site, https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/contact/ there's a little button to support our show https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace. Let us know how we can support you.</span></span></p>
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[00:00:00] Fawn: Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. Hi everybody. Welcome back. Hello. Welcome to our friendly world. Have a beautiful every day. Are you having a beautiful day, a beautiful evening. Beautiful afternoon. Um, do it. Hi everyone. So Matt, Matt's going to kick it off today with a horrible, horrible, nasty title.
[00:00:26] Matt: Thanks for that
[00:00:27] Fawn: I mean, you didn't make it up, but go figure the patriarchy did, right? From the what? 1950s, seventies, 1970s. Same difference. 
[00:00:37] Matt: Seventies was a very different time than the fifties. 
[00:00:39] Fawn: So who are these guys? Erwin Altman of the university of Utah. And Dolmas Taylor of the university of Delaware. We have no idea how these guys knew each other.
Were they friends? I don't know. Do you know? Absolutely. 
[00:00:53] Matt: But they were researchers. Yes. 
[00:00:56] Fawn: Sociologists. So check it out, guys. Take it away. 
Matt, 
[00:00:59] Matt: social penetration theory. 
[00:01:02] Fawn: ewe. 
[00:01:03] Matt: Yeah, exactly. There is a little aspect of, oh dear. 
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                    <![CDATA[The Quiet Friend - Speaking Up in Defense of Others or Having Our heads in the Sand?]]>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>When is it OK to be quiet? When someone is hurting, is it OK to be quiet? When you know there is injustice, do you go about your day and just focus on yourself? If you lived in Europe before WWII and you noticed your friends and neighbors disappearing, would you go about your business and think, "Oh well, I am going to focus on my own breath and well-being and that is the outside world I have no control of"?????</p>
<p>In our previous episode, our guest kept saying that we are not responsible for the world and that we are only responsible for ourselves. I TOTALLY DISAGREE. Although I know it is essential for a person to be well centered and strong in order to help others, I feel that we are interconnected and that we are here in life, together, and even if it is through some unseen force, I am here to help and provide comfort and support for all of life.</p>
<p>Our talk today comes out of the last episode we did with Sharon  Caren. I got really quiet. for those of you who know me, well, I usually will just state my opinion, and stand up for stuff. But out of respect for Sharon, I got quiet because I also felt like maybe I was being misunderstood and as I was feeling more and more upset, I got quieter because I did not want to fight with our guest. I respect her and I think she is a wonderful healer. I just did not like that I got quiet and that I did not speak up (although I did try).</p>
<p>This episode is my chance to discuss the ramifications of quiet as well as the good ways of quiet as we use the beautiful children's picture book by <span class="author notFaded"><span class="a-declarative"><a class="a-link-normal contributorNameID" href="https://www.amazon.com/Deborah-Underwood/e/B001IQWI00/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1">Deborah Underwood</a>  </span><span class="contribution"><span class="a-color-secondary">(Author), </span></span></span><span class="author notFaded"><a class="a-link-normal" href="https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=dp_byline_sr_book_2?ie=UTF8&amp;field-author=Renata+Liwska&amp;text=Renata+Liwska&amp;sort=relevancerank&amp;search-alias=books">Renata Liwska</a> <span class="contribution"><span class="a-color-secondary">(Illustrator),</span></span></span> to steer our conversation about this topic. I introduce you to The Quiet Friend". Please email me and let me know your point of view.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/contact/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/contact/</a></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>Transcript </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It was running the whole time, this little stopwatch, that we keep track of how long the show runs. And I had it on yesterday cause I was on the exercise bike and but it was running. And so when I took a look at it this morning, it was still running.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so when I actually hit stop and then restart in my head, I hear a little voice going: "oh man!" so like the little, the little man in the computer thought he was doing something super cool and useful going, oh my God, I can't believe the stop-watch is running this long and this long and this long and getting more and more excited.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then he finds out that I, the quote-unquote user just boom, boom. And he realized everything was pointless. And so he's like, oh God, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:39]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Poor guy. </span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[When is it OK to be quiet? When someone is hurting, is it OK to be quiet? When you know there is injustice, do you go about your day and just focus on yourself? If you lived in Europe before WWII and you noticed your friends and neighbors disappearing, would you go about your business and think, "Oh well, I am going to focus on my own breath and well-being and that is the outside world I have no control of"?????
In our previous episode, our guest kept saying that we are not responsible for the world and that we are only responsible for ourselves. I TOTALLY DISAGREE. Although I know it is essential for a person to be well centered and strong in order to help others, I feel that we are interconnected and that we are here in life, together, and even if it is through some unseen force, I am here to help and provide comfort and support for all of life.
Our talk today comes out of the last episode we did with Sharon  Caren. I got really quiet. for those of you who know me, well, I usually will just state my opinion, and stand up for stuff. But out of respect for Sharon, I got quiet because I also felt like maybe I was being misunderstood and as I was feeling more and more upset, I got quieter because I did not want to fight with our guest. I respect her and I think she is a wonderful healer. I just did not like that I got quiet and that I did not speak up (although I did try).
This episode is my chance to discuss the ramifications of quiet as well as the good ways of quiet as we use the beautiful children's picture book by Deborah Underwood  (Author), Renata Liwska (Illustrator), to steer our conversation about this topic. I introduce you to The Quiet Friend". Please email me and let me know your point of view.
https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/contact/
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[00:00:00] Matt: It was running the whole time, this little stopwatch, that we keep track of how long the show runs. And I had it on yesterday cause I was on the exercise bike and but it was running. And so when I took a look at it this morning, it was still running.
And so when I actually hit stop and then restart in my head, I hear a little voice going: "oh man!" so like the little, the little man in the computer thought he was doing something super cool and useful going, oh my God, I can't believe the stop-watch is running this long and this long and this long and getting more and more excited.
And then he finds out that I, the quote-unquote user just boom, boom. And he realized everything was pointless. And so he's like, oh God, 
[00:00:39] Fawn: Poor guy. 
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                    <![CDATA[<p>When is it OK to be quiet? When someone is hurting, is it OK to be quiet? When you know there is injustice, do you go about your day and just focus on yourself? If you lived in Europe before WWII and you noticed your friends and neighbors disappearing, would you go about your business and think, "Oh well, I am going to focus on my own breath and well-being and that is the outside world I have no control of"?????</p>
<p>In our previous episode, our guest kept saying that we are not responsible for the world and that we are only responsible for ourselves. I TOTALLY DISAGREE. Although I know it is essential for a person to be well centered and strong in order to help others, I feel that we are interconnected and that we are here in life, together, and even if it is through some unseen force, I am here to help and provide comfort and support for all of life.</p>
<p>Our talk today comes out of the last episode we did with Sharon  Caren. I got really quiet. for those of you who know me, well, I usually will just state my opinion, and stand up for stuff. But out of respect for Sharon, I got quiet because I also felt like maybe I was being misunderstood and as I was feeling more and more upset, I got quieter because I did not want to fight with our guest. I respect her and I think she is a wonderful healer. I just did not like that I got quiet and that I did not speak up (although I did try).</p>
<p>This episode is my chance to discuss the ramifications of quiet as well as the good ways of quiet as we use the beautiful children's picture book by <span class="author notFaded"><span class="a-declarative"><a class="a-link-normal contributorNameID" href="https://www.amazon.com/Deborah-Underwood/e/B001IQWI00/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1">Deborah Underwood</a>  </span><span class="contribution"><span class="a-color-secondary">(Author), </span></span></span><span class="author notFaded"><a class="a-link-normal" href="https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=dp_byline_sr_book_2?ie=UTF8&amp;field-author=Renata+Liwska&amp;text=Renata+Liwska&amp;sort=relevancerank&amp;search-alias=books">Renata Liwska</a> <span class="contribution"><span class="a-color-secondary">(Illustrator),</span></span></span> to steer our conversation about this topic. I introduce you to The Quiet Friend". Please email me and let me know your point of view.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/contact/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/contact/</a></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>Transcript </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It was running the whole time, this little stopwatch, that we keep track of how long the show runs. And I had it on yesterday cause I was on the exercise bike and but it was running. And so when I took a look at it this morning, it was still running.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so when I actually hit stop and then restart in my head, I hear a little voice going: "oh man!" so like the little, the little man in the computer thought he was doing something super cool and useful going, oh my God, I can't believe the stop-watch is running this long and this long and this long and getting more and more excited.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then he finds out that I, the quote-unquote user just boom, boom. And he realized everything was pointless. And so he's like, oh God, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:39]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Poor guy. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:40]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:40]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> know. See that's adorable. I don't </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:45]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> like being </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> adorable. There was a little person in there, like no, the little person in their hip, and now I'm seeing the little person in there is adorable, like running, keeping your time for you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Exactly. And you so nonchalantly. I don't need that anymore. See, that's how I thought about the paperclip guy. Do you remember the pay-per-click guy?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> He might be coming back. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:09]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Clippies coming, but I loved Clippy. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:12]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I didn't like Clippy, but there was this genie that I saw once in a conference and the genie would like do magical things for you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:20]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I love that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:21]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I prefer that to Clippy, a paperclips. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. I love the paperclip. It helped you with word documents. If it sensed that you needed some help, this paperclip with big eyes would show up with the eyebrows, like filled with expression. It would show up and help you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like, do you need my help? And I always needed Clippy's help. And because I didn't understand how to do any function. Right. Like everything was a fight that when Clippy showed up and it calmed me down and I almost would like be weepy, like, thank you, Clippy. Thank you, Mr. Paperclip.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So it was this little paperclip with arms and legs and big eyes. It was so adorable. The </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> first time I saw him click him away and say, never bring him back. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:09]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So rude! Poor Clippy, I love Clippy. And then they got rid of him. I guess everyone felt like you did well. That's like the shows that I love out there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Any show I love gets canceled, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:21]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> quote, unquote, snarky and smart and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's very easy to cast something down. It's hard to raise something up. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So check us out. We've already digressed from the show. We haven't even started. Good morning, everybody. Good evening. Good afternoon. Hi everybody. Welcome to our friendly world.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">This show today. Our talk today, it comes out of the last episode we did with Sharon Sharon Caren. I got really quiet. for those of you who know me, well, I usually will just, I have a foul mouth and I'll, I'll, uh, I'll state my opinion, you know, and I'll fight for stuff. Right. But out of respect for Sharon, I got quiet because I also felt like maybe I was being misunderstood .</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And it was going to turn into a fight. I felt like, because I don't know, there were so many emotions there. So doing that and by the way, I edited it a lot. Sorry guys. I usually don't. I usually leave everything in and I make sure that if there are some distracting sounds in the background, I get rid of those, you know what I mean?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But, and then I have to edit to make sure that transcripts are somewhat decent. So if someone is hard of hearing, they can actually read what was being said. That's my editing process that takes forever. But in this case, I actually took out a chunk of stuff that was said.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So I took it out because I just thought if someone comes in, who's never heard our show before. It was not, it was not okay . Does that make sense? Do you agree? I mean, you have not heard the final, final edit yet, this led us into a lot of conversations this week with friends, because I was feeling so distraught over</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">should I edit? Should I even not even run the episode? What should I do? Am I being disrespectful to Sharon? I feel like I'm being disrespectful to humanity for not speaking. And the whole thing came out of this concept and this concept being that it doesn't matter what's happening in the world. You're just responsible for yourself.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You need to center and be okay within yourself. Don't worry about anything on the outside world. I highly disagree with this. I understand that you have to be centered first. I understand you have to be healthy of mind, body and spirit before you can truly help anyone else. I'm going beyond that. I'm not living there guys.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I am worldcentric in my, my desire. I am here because we're all interconnected. We are interconnected. So why are you just going to say, I'm just going to take care of myself and my own vibration. No, I am here to help. I am here embracing all of us as one.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Your body is my body, and there was such a disagreement on the episode and it wasn't going to go anywhere if I argued. So I just got quiet. Because I didn't want to argue. And also because I don't, I didn't want to be disrespectful. And I felt like, you know, me, Matt, like I don't fight well, I'm like a Chewbacca.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I am, I don't know how to debate very well. You're a great debater. I can not do that. I will turn into a maniac that will want to break things. So while this happened, I'm trying to calmly understand how to maneuver this thing. How do I maneuver? How do you talk to a friend that is not even a hearing what you're saying, assuming that you're some dumb ass, please forgive me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If you have kids, Martine makes sure the kids are out of the room. I may curse today. I may. I'm sorry. I already said one bad word. I apologize. But do you know what I mean? Like, so I forgot what I was saying. What was, I think, how do you. I just, how do you deal with someone that thinks that you're ignorant, that you don't know what the hell they're talking about?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And in fact, you very well know what they're talking about, and you're trying to explain your view. I got quiet. I ended up talking to some friends trying to understand Sharon's perspective. How can we have a conversation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And am I hallucinating? Like, did she think this of me? Or was she just trying to explain this is her work? And she just wants to stick in a very one dimensional way to what she always talks about. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Things that need to be discussed in our society right now. Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:59]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. But these things are uncomfortable to discuss. And you know, were you and Sharon in a place where you had gotten to that level of depth, were you past the acquaintance aspects of friendship and had you actually started getting into all that kind of stuff?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> We're not close friends. We just met recently so I don't know. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:20]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And there's, there's also a presumption, I think in society in general, some cultures more so than others, but the older you are, the wiser, you automatically become.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Which is a fallacy, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:32]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That is so not true, yeah, you're right. It's a fallacy. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> They talk well, I've talked and people talk, but in certainly in my profession, it's like, you can have your first year, five years in a row because you're learning all brand new stuff, all new terminology, all new philosophies, everything. And so, you can actually stay in that beginner's, skill, not a beginner mindset because a beginner mindset is important, but a beginner skillset for a long time in your career, depending on, the paths you take.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I think that this happens with people also in general. It's like, if you're never challenged, you don't </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">grow. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:07]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Remember that. So you're are you, I'm sorry. I'm spacing out. I think I listened to 50% of what you just said, because I'm still so emotional about what happened in that conversation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So please forgive me. So I'm just going to equate it to something, but I think I only heard 50% of what you just said. So here's the thing, it's kind of like what they taught in martial arts, that when you become a master black belt, you go back to white belt. So you're always a beginner, right? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:36]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> There's beginners.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then there's beginners. Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:38]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So the way I've always operated is going from a state where someone , would think if he didn't know me would think I was ignorant. If you didn't know me would think that I was so innocent, you know, like, I don't know what I'm talking about, or I don't know this subject where in fact I have studied it, but it's and it's in everything</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">you know, like it's in baking a pie with a friend who has never seen you bake a pie and doesn't know that, Hey, um, I have actually worked as a professional pastry chef. Right. And then you invite them over to make pie and they think you've never made pie, but you haven't said, Hey, look, I'm actually a professional, but I just stood there and go, okay, what, what's the next step?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">What's the next step? And they treated me like, wow, you don't know how to bake, you know, and many years later still thinking that they taught me how to bake, but I'm not going to say you didn't teach me how to bake. Do you know what I'm saying? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:38]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It's again, it's a beginner mindset. It's like, okay. I've always approached the problem from way over here on the left.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And this time I'm going to approach the problem all the way over here on the right. And see if I end up in a better place or worst place or just, I get better understanding of what's happened. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What are you saying? I can't concentrate today. What are you saying? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:59]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, okay. So you know exactly how you would make a pie, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And the pie turns out, looking exactly the way you expect it to. Case in point. When my mom bakes pie, an apple pie, the crust is a big dome over this thinner layer of apples because she doesn't pre cook the apples. So the apples baked down inside the crust and the crust hardens. Whereas normally when a person bakes a pie, that crust is right on top of the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">apples.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, it's not, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> well, you're still making a pie, you're still making the pie. But if you went through and, and were instructed by say my mom, you would be like, just because you wanted to learn a different way to make a pie. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:43]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. But you're like, you're diverging from what I'm saying, what I'm saying is the person treats you like an imbecile because they think that you don't know how to bake a pie.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And they, they Lord that over you. Like they are the master and you're nothing. That's what I'm saying. And that w that is one of my deal breakers is if someone cannot see the depth of each human being the depth of me and in our friendship, it's a deal breaker. That's one of the things that starts crumbling in our friendship, that if they keep that up, and assume that about me. I'm assuming they, then I assume that that's how superficial they are, that they're not really seeing. I'm like, I can't have that kind of person in my tight inner circle because they're not seeing, they're not listening. They're not hearing, they're not paying attention. You know what I'm saying?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's what I'm saying. I don't want to get into the crust and the dome and all that, because really today we're talking about the quiet friend and, and of course this came from the last episode, right. And I've always said, quiet is there's good and bad to quiet. There's very dangerous, quiet. And there's good quiet. And of course when Sharon was talking, I wanted to say, I wanted to bring up all these instances in history and modern day of why we shouldn't be saying, I'm just going to stick to my own vibration. I'm just going to take care of myself and the world; I can't change the world. I so disagree with that. I got really upset.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so I got quiet and it was the bad kind of quiet. Right. And you know, me, Matt, when I get quiet, you better watch out. I'm not saying this against Sharon. I'm just saying that there are different forms of quiet for me. I'm a big meditator. So I am quiet, but best believe if there's a, there's a situation where there's a fight, let's say an argument and I get quiet,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">it's not good. So as I was saying, what I wanted to bring up with Sharon was the cases in history, for example, talking about all the different genocides that have occurred on the planet with so many different cultures.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So you're going to be quiet about that. So there are people being killed right next door to you being plucked away and made to disappear. And you're just going to go, ah, I'm just going to focus on myself. What no! I wanted to get into these aspects. And because I'm so angry, I'm going to bring in a children's picture book into our conversation today, because I don't want to talk about, I don't want to bring in the genocide.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I don't want to bring in all the horrible atrocities that have happened to say, look, this is my point. Okay. Let's because we all know we're we're past that. So I'm just going to go straight to the point. And I'm going to use "The Quiet Book" as our example today.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Do you know that book as a children's picture book. I love this book so much. I bought two copies. We have a beautiful library of children's picture books. And as I was buying. For Elle and Allegra when they were that age, right. You're </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> buying them for Elle and Allegra.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:58]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> The truth is I was buying them for myself and I'm still buying them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">of all the books that I read, they're the ones I turned to for advice. Children's picture books have the most beautiful messages in them. The quiet book by Deborah Underwood, this book, the illustrations are beautiful illustrated by Renata Lisky L I w S K a what? A beautiful book. So I'm going to go through this book.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We're going to go through the examples of quiet, talk about them a little bit, and then after that we're getting into good, quiet and bad. Quiet. Okay. Okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">The book opens up: the first one awake quiet. You know, like when you wake up to a, an epiphany, when you wake up in the morning or you're the first person, perhaps in your group to have a realization that this is wrong, or this is right, but it's, it's a new thought form.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">All of a sudden, a different perspective that quiet, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I woke up actually this morning with a full moon beaming on me. So that was, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:08]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I was there and I asked you, are we going to go insane? Like, isn't there, isn't there a thing that says folklore </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:13]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> that says, if you sleep under a full moon, you will go crazy. But yeah.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Anyways, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> there's the jelly side down quiet. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:21]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, that's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">my poor little guy inside the device when I hit reset on the stopwatch. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:27]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I mean, oh man, when, when, when something happens and you're like, oh man, but it's not just the oh man, not only did your sandwich fall down, but the jelly side down fell down. So not only do you have to pick up the sandwich and you don't get to eat that sandwich anymore because it's dirty now, but you have to clean up the floor several times because it is so sticky and gooey.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So there goes another 20 minutes right there and you're still hungry; the jelly side down quiet. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Don't scare the robyn quiet. Remember? We lived on Bainbridge island for awhile. We had a house there. Remember when we would walk out and all of a sudden you'd see something. And then something was this beautiful deer.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're both frozen, just staring at each other and you don't like, I didn't want to move because I didn't want to scare the deer. I wanted the deer to stay. Right. And the deer probably thought, oh my God, this person could have killed them. Right. But that quiet, that exists while you're like staring at each other.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah. For me, it's slightly different because I remember I was at a park with my buddy Mario and would probably throw on her Frisbee. I don't remember. But all of a sudden this squirrel came running past, hold on. This is where it gets a little sad. His poor little head was in a chip bag and he couldn't get it out.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And he was freaking out because he was hearing all this craziness. And so we had to be so quiet and I tried to grab that bag and I couldn't do it because I just wasn't fast enough. But Mario did it. So that was really flipping cool. It </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:06]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> good of Mario.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Others telling us secret quiet. No good.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:13]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Secrets are </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">double-edged swords </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">sometimes there are good secrets.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So this is the, this is telling, hold on. This is telling a secret quiet. So you're whispering, right? Right. If you go either a good or bad, I mean, that's for the followup conversation, but I was teaching Allegra some math. Right. And it was hard. There were tears that day, right? You had a tantrum.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:38]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes, I did. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:39]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Allegra was crying. Then I had a tantrum towards you. Like, what are you doing? Can't get upset. She doesn't understand it. So Allegra and I went over, so this is our little secret. We were going through the math book. And it was hard, but we were, I was breaking it down. The way I teach is very rogue, by the way, thank God for homeschooling because I would get fired if I was a regular teacher in school.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So I whispered in her ear a secret about math, and I said, math is your bitch. And I whispered that in her ear, she started laughing. But that's our little secret, like a whisper things like that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:19]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> now to be fair. I also spent time with her that day on math. I know I had a good time doing it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. But like everybody had to calm down </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:26]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I did have a tantrum first, but anyway, I did.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:29]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> All right, next next </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">coloring in the lines quiet when you're trying to just figure something out and you know how to do it, but you're just doing your work. I love that quiet. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:41]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, yeah, when you're focused on a task and you know, you know that task and there's no real question about that task. So you just go for it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:50]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Thinking of the reason you were drawing on the wall quiet. Ooh. When you've done something </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">bad </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:58]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> self introspection, like when you do something self-destructive for sure was like, why did I do that? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I haven't had that kind of thought in a while. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, no, I remember that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> knock on wood. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:11]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> When I was, when I was really little, my parents had these wooden chairs or rather they were upholstered, but they had wood on the sides.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And one day, I don't know why I grabbed a paperclip and I just started gouging the side of it. And it was like, I think it was, it was somewhere in close to my space and not around their space, but then later they brought the chairs down. And every time I saw what I had done, I was like, oh man, I think I got yelled at, but it wasn't, it wasn't good enough because I still felt guilty.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:43]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. Hide and seek quiet when you know, you're both playing the game and it's like, you know, that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> kind of quiet going to hold someone's hand in the movie theater, like yeah. Nevermind. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Last one to get picked up from school quiet. Oh my God. That's me. And not just about, this is not about picking, getting, did you, did I, did you want to say something else about the last quiet?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Why are you looking like that? Because it's a sad, quiet. Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it's like everybody, else's like having fun like la la la la and then one by one, they </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">disappear and then </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:23]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> yeah, but the thing is, this is what I was experiencing this week was the last one being picked, quiet. Like everybody else's career has become successful and here I am, I'm still sitting here working, working, working, praying, praying, praying, hustling, hustling, hustling, and you know, it's like being the last one, picked up from school, quiet and you feel like you're the only one left. Everything seems to be a struggle.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">I have to keep reminding myself of all the wins, you know, of all the gifts, but still feeling like, oh, I'm the last one left, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right? I was never the last picked up, but in college, like the finals week was Monday to Friday. No big deal. On Monday, a certain percentage of people would disappear from school because they were done on Tuesday, another percentage would disappear. And so slowly but surely the school would empty out. And I remember once or twice, I was there on a Thursday and Friday, and it just felt like no one was there. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. It's like, nowadays let's bring this back to present time. What are you feeling present time each quiet that I'm going to bring up from Debra Underwood's book.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Let's stick with modern day. So when you're listening to these, just think about what's happening now in that sense of quiet. Acknowledge what you're feeling. So like I'm feeling left behind with career and everyone else seems to be totally soaring, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">So that was getting picked up from school quiet.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Swimming, underwater. Quiet I love that. Oh my God. I haven't been swimming lately. So, well, just think about the feeling. Think about the feeling of swimming under water. You have entered another realm, another world, and everything is slower. Everything sounds different. It's still quiet at first. But then in that quiet, you start to notice all these other sounds that you would never experience outside of the water. It's beautiful. Everything is in slow motion. You can slow life down, but then you realize, wow, that's life under here all the time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And you can access it anytime, you wish.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Should I go on? Yeah. Pretending you're invisible, quiet. Let me tell you I've done this so many times that it was on auto mode. And then one day I was like, why does everyone ignore me? I stand in line. People constantly cut in front of me. Like they don't even realize I'm standing there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I realized, oh my God, I practiced the art of being invisible in crowds. Like, so I wouldn't bring attention to myself right, for so long that I forgot to take that program off of myself. And I had to revisit that and go, okay, I want to be noticed now. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, yeah, there are two ways that people practice being invisible.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">One is blending into their surroundings and the other is being invisible, being truly invisible. So if had you chosen to blend into your surroundings, which I think for you is difficult</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:23]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> impossible,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:24]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> then people would have still noticed you on some level, they would have still registered your existence, but you were so focused on people not seeing you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Lollipop, quiet. Ah, I would say tiramisu. Quiet. Oh my gosh. When you something that's so delicious when you're, it's really interesting. I'm sorry. I'm cutting you off. Hold on to your thought, but like sitting at a table and usually there's loud ruckus conversation, but when everyone's eating, that's when, you know, everyone needs to eat, like everyone was hungry and it's kind of sweet.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like it's sweet when, especially if you're the one who, who has made the delicacy, the meal, and all you hear is quiet nourishment is a special kind of satisfying, appealing. What were you going to </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:10]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> say? Can I talk about, for me not lollipop, it's more about ice cream bar, quiet, but. Where you're just so focused on and there is a time element to it because obviously your ice cream will melt and get all all over you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> there's that stress of, I got to enjoy this really quick. There's no stress, baby. Oh, there's stress for me. Like I want to make it less. I want to make it last, but I don't want to, I don't want to quickly like, cause it's dripping </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">okay. First look at your new hairstyle, quiet first look.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Okay. So I have long hair. I've had long hair forever, but once upon a time, about six years ago, I shaved my head bald. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That was a little tough. That was tough on all of us. I know. Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> That was a little tough to look at. Take in. Right. But anyways, as long again, so. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:07]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Um, but yeah, that, that incident where you're, you just feel remorse or just upset or, or </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> you're just coming to grips with how you look, because you can just look completely different </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> or you can say in that quiet, like, is this really me?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Wow. It's beautiful. Right? Exactly. It could go either way. It could go either way. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Sleeping sister quiet. Okay. Let's I mean, we don't, we don't, we don't have to take these literally like sleeping sister, quiet. Yeah. When things are just peaceful. Quiet. Next. Oh, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:46]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> okay. Here. Um, I wake up super mega early and by super mega early, I mean like 4, 4 30.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm just a Nutter. So it's about not waking you up when I get out of bed. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:58]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So like tiptoeing around, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> which of course inevitably fails. I inevitably stub my toe fall over something or knock into something. But yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:07]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Remember when Elle was just born and we were so tired, we just wanted her to sleep. And I remember this one day we finally tucked her in and she finally fell asleep.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You go over to, to take off your trousers, your jeans and all the change you had in there. And we had hardwood floors, they all fell out and it, it seemed to go on for hours, like in the rolling, like once they stopped bouncing the rolling in all different directions. It's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:41]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> funny. Now </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I could not, I mean, okay, right before.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Okay, right before you yell, surprise, quiet.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">That moment, yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> That moment of exploitation where everything's just quiet for sure. I can equate that very easily to my hole in one in disc golf. Cause I can't let that go. I love that. I throw a hole in one once. I remember after I released it and I watched it just that stillness right there as I watched it curve and went straight in and then just that sense of complete disbelief.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:22]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It was awesome. Uh, and also like if you're with a bunch of people, the fact that you're in unison like that excitement, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:29]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> nobody could believe I did </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> it, but like let's just go to a surprise party situation. It's like having a song that you're all singing together in perfect pitch, perfect harmony. And that sense of quiet, you all have. And you instinctively know when to yell, surprise together. It is such a sense of collaboration , you know, it's sweet. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">All right. Making a wish, quiet. I love that. Like it's a respected the world, the universe, your friends, respect that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like, let's imagine you're blowing out your birthday candle and you're making a wish right before you do. That sense of honor and respect that occurs in that silence. I love that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Absolutely. You know, I remember I would, there's, there's a particular nursery rhyme that goes along with when the first star you see and you make a wish on it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so I would say that, and then people around me would get quiet as I actually made my wish Starlight star bright first star I see tonight. I wish I may. I wish I might have the wish I wish tonight. Tick, tick, tick. Good. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:38]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Ready for the next one? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:40]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Top of the rollercoaster. Quiet. Oh my God. To me, I associate this with like the eye of the hurricane, quiet when it's quiet, but you know, some stuff is going to go down. It could be good or bad. Right. But right before the storm, quiet is what it reminds me of. Going to the top of the rollercoaster where, you know, all of a sudden there's going to be a drop. Some people could be happy about it, but me personally, I'm like, I hate roller coasters. I'm like, oh </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> gosh. Yeah. I like roller coasters. And honestly, for the longest time, I actually thought that they built a pause when you hit the top. But it turns out it's just probably my mind spinning at like a hundred miles an hour at that moment.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're at the top going </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">awesome. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And then you're dealing with, would it be inertia? Does inertia work for gravity like that? Do you know what I mean? Like you think you're going one way and then you get pulled over to this way and your body goes this other way. Nevermind. But like, it know I tend to, I tend to take things to the stressful level, but it could also be beautiful.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like the quiet on top of the rollercoaster is all of a sudden seeing a beautiful view. But for me, that quiet is, oh, there's going to be a drop or, oh, how am I going to make it down this mountain that have climbed or. Where do I go next? Where are we headed? That kind of quiet that you're suspended; suspended in time suspended in between. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The next one is best friends don't need to talk quiet. I love this because, it's good to have a partner in life because there you're a witness in life. So you don't have to explain the same stuff over and over again, like, you know, the history, you know, what's up.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So when something else happens, you all have the same point of reference. So you don't have to waste time discussing what happened in the past. You just know and you move forward from there. I love that. Best friends. Don't need to talk quiet. How about you? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> That's just it, you develop shorthand certainly on.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So how I like to think of it with, with your friends, with your partner, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">for sure.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, you can just move on with life. You don't have to go regurgitate something. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:59]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Although sometimes I feel a need to explain then you're like, I know, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> right. I don't understand why you need to explain it again, but </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">yeah, I get it. Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Next one is surprise visit from aunt Tilly quiet. When someone shows up that you're not expecting quiet, I could go good or bad. Like whoa. Something just showed up. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:21]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> That is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">definitely true. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Let's see. I'm trying to think of present day. Like, well that happened. I can't think of anything right now.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Cause I feel like it happens a lot</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I have one. Did it just happen recently? So, um, my sister's husband sent us a gift for Christmas. Did not expect it didn't even know who it was from. It just came in a box. It wasn't wrapped in </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> They Amazoned us. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:46]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> They Amazoned us., but I had to basically take a look and start looking at how I return it in order to find out who sent it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I was like, who is this? And then click, click, click. And then it clicked over, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> okay, next do iguanas bite, quiet. Like you go into a situation. You're like, oh oh, is this going to bite me or will it be nice? So you come face to face with something in life. It's not the case. Like. Do you bite, you can take that with a job with everything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like, I feel like I go through that all day, every day Do iguanas bite? Right? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Absolutely. And when you start a new job, you really get a sense of what the job is really going to be like in your first week. And it, you tend to be quieter your first week, I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:40]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> mean, you know, you've the first time you meet someone, like the first time I met you, I thought you were a motorcycle gangster.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I thought you were some crazy, like, um, violent looking person, you know what I mean? And I had the same reaction, like, what what's he doing? Well, well, I thought, well, maybe it's not. Do you know what I mean? I was still starting to learn about Aikido. I didn't really know how peaceful it was. I just saw you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm like, oh my God. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Okay, next. Before the concert starts quiet. Oh man. Lord, we brought up concert. Matt, Matt is in, a realm right now. Okay. Do you want to pontificate or shall we go </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:24]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> on, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">is it a certain bands I've seen, an interesting number of times and they start their show in much the same way. Like you hear the sound check and the sound check is always the same you can actually hear, and it's not the singer doing the sound check.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Somebody else. I hear </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:36]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> it in my head right now. The violin is checking the P the tuning, the whatever you call it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:42]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And then typically, um, every band has their own kind of, uh, an intro. Like what's interesting is like, I remember Rush. They like to do the three Stooges. Hello, hello, hello. And then everything gets quiet for a second.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then the crowd starts to cheer and then the lights go on and they start, oh. Cause like, you know, you're about to be treated to an experience, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:08]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> right? You, that that is a beautiful metaphor for. Every day, all day life. If you think about it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">All right, next one. Here's here's me trying not to hiccup quiet.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So this was me on our last episode, but the hiccup was like, I was just trying not to say anything kind of quiet because I felt like it would have been just a bunch of hiccups and not heard or understood because I couldn't finish the thought. I couldn't finish the sentence. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:40]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, I just think about it literally because ladies and gentlemen of our audience, I have the loudest hiccups in the world.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:46]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> They are very scary. I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> literally sounds like I'm breaking something inside my body. It's that loud and it doesn't hurt and I really enjoy it, but there are ways you can do. I do, because it's like, it's almost like a lion's roar. It's like, here I am. And because it's quote unquote involuntary, cause it is.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yeah, I can't control it. However, there are ways you can keep your hiccups from making noise. And so I'll do that in instances, but if I'm talking all of a sudden that, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> okay, but trying not to hiccup quiet when things need to be quiet and you need to see you're diverging when you need to be quiet and you are hiccuping.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. You know, I, but I needed to be quiet even though every instinct in my body and my spirit was saying, no. All right, try not to hiccup quiet as a challenge. Good Lord, which is us. Now, we're going to have like five shows based on the fact that I couldn't speak on one episode. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">First snowfall, quiet.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I love this when things shift and all of a sudden little snowflakes are falling. If you've ever been. in a snow falling situation. Everything is quiet. I can always tell, like when I go to sleep and I wake up in the middle of the night or I wake up early, early in the morning, usually at all times of the night, we can hear traffic, but when there's snow, everything is muffled.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Everything is turned down even people's emotions. And the quiet is so beautiful that you can hear every snowflake touching another. It is beautiful. First snowfall, quiet. Anything to add. Matt has nothing to add to this one. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">All right. Car ride at night, quiet. They could go either way. For me, it's terrifying.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I don't like driving at night, so I'm very quiet. My eyes are big wide, right? I just want to get to wherever we're getting. But yeah, car ride quiet either again, it can go either way. It could be, uh, a very blissful feeling or a kind of a stressful feeling, but you don't want to make noise cause you don't want to distract or you don't want to make noise because it's so mysterious and beautiful, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">No, no, no, absolutely. I used to get in my teens, I would love going and just jumping in the car and driving because I had my own space and I had control and I had.dot dot. And then later when we lived in LA, I actually really enjoyed like first thing in the morning going for a ride. And I remember one time I rode my bike swear to goodness from, um, my place, which was in west LA to Dodger stadium.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You've talked about this so many times it was </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> empty. It was just, there was, there was, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:52]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I think that is one of your most favorite moments. It was a life. Cause you keep bringing it up. Okay. It's just, there's a lot to it, but you're taking things so literally</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I know I can't help it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm yeah. You take things literally.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I'm like, isn't this life, what's a metaphor. Okay. Let's keep going.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Too many bubbles, quiet. Now this is the scene in the book where there are way too many bubbles in the bathtub and it's overflowed on the ground. So you have beautiful bubbles. Lovely. And then you notice, oh my goodness. It's everywhere.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's on the floor. It's probably going to go to the next floor underneath you. It's beautiful, but oh, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> well it's feels like a cavalcade of fun in our kitchen when we're baking. Sometimes stuff </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> is everywhere and it's not quiet though. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:46]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, the moment you realize that flour is everywhere, it can get quiet.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:51]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But I like, yeah, an overflowing of abundance, quiet. Like how are you going to manage it? Quiet. All right. Next one is</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Storytime quiet.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And from here, the book goes into tucking into bed, bedtime, kiss. What flashlight sound quiet and then deep asleep quiet. And that's the book. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So now let's get into the quiet friend. I've always said when I'm bearing my soul to you, when I'm telling you something that's been so painful for me, and I've just opened up my entire life to you or my entire pain to you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If you are quiet, it really throws me off the deep end. It's not okay for me. Yet, we have friends that are psychotherapists and psychologists who say that quiet is space that's good. And I'm saying, well, if I was your client, I'm telling you right now, you better not be quiet. Once I tell you a, B and C of like major trauma.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If you're just sitting there staring and nodding at me, I'm about to have a major way worse panic attack than I already do have I can't have you be quiet. I need you to tell me something, make a sound, make a sound to let me know that you heard me, that you understand my pain. Don't be quiet please. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> But there are those thoughts that go out that, that they just need.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Just a moment. They need a beat or two beats or three beats to just echo. No, I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> have. But that needs to be really carefully thought out because usually it's not just a few moments, it's just pure silence. And that is horrible. Yes. Because let me tell you, coming from a person that has experienced trauma, I have been alone in that you feel like you're in a black hole, you feel like there's no life.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There's nothing. Can't hear anything you can't see straight. You can't, you're stuck. You're in a continuous void. So if there's more silence after I've thought of a way to express what I'm going through, that doesn't help. And I'm talking not only for myself, I'm talking about what is happening in the world today.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If you're silent about it and just looking at it, it does absolutely no service. And this is where the fireside chat comes in. That we're going to have in a couple of weeks. Is, we're going to bring in some friends that have different points of view from what I'm saying, you know, they totally think the opposite and I'm, I'm the kind of person that's like, no, I need, if someone expresses something to me, I'm not going to let them be alone.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I wouldn't say I'm going to say something. I want to make sure that they feel my embrace. Even if it's me not saying anything best believe you will have my arms around you, caressing you, holding you. And if you don't want to be held like that, that I will find out another way that space appropriate for you yet, I'm still holding you, letting you know that you're not alone.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I think, I don't know what's happened in our culture and we'll discuss this on our fireside chat, which by the way, if you want to be a part of, send me an email that you want to be a part of this. We're going to have a big zoom meeting about this, a whole bunch of people talking about this subject.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So I forgot what I was saying. What was I saying? Fireside chat.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:38]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> those moments of silence. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:40]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I just want the different points of view of course. But my point of view is it's not okay to be quiet. The violence against humanity every single group. Why are we quiet? What, so you're now you're going to go on your own mode and go.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm just going to take care of myself. Take care of yourself. Yeah. Make sure you're good. But, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:43:03]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> but that's not what you were talking about when you started it. You were talking about when somebody reveals something and if you're quiet immediately after somebody reveals something very personal as what you don't like, and now you shift, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:43:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I did shift gears.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Sorry. I'm very heated about this topic. It's not just for a few moments. It will go on forever. I hate that. It's not okay. Right. Why am I even bothering talking to you? Right. If you're just going to sit there and stare at me, it's not helpful, but I'm sure you know, our friends totally disagree.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I know for a fact that they do, but they're not here right now. I'm just letting you know, just think about that. We've had so many people tell us that silence is what they need. People have enough silence . So I'm sorry. I digress. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So there are good quiets and bad quiets, you know, like the good quiets or the magical quiets of seeing a beautiful forest creature.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You've come face-to-face with, that's a beautiful, quiet, right? It's magical. Gossip quiet. We experienced this a lot. Like I could not believe the gossip that would happen and it hurt my feelings. Not because of the gossip, because I really have no secrets. Like I don't care. Right. But what hurt my feelings was, wow, you could be talking to me and you're going to listen to this person talking about me instead of having a conversation with me that kind of quiet is some BS being left out, quiet. Being ignored quiet that's might be the worst. That's the worst. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So mad. You're so mad. Quiet. I don't know if that's good or bad, because if I were to unleash my fury in the moment of a rage, it, first of all, you probably wouldn't understand a word I was saying, but also I'll say some things that are like nuclear bombs. You know what I mean? Like horrible can't retract, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Um, yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:05]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. And honestly, you know, from the number of times you've talked about the Tibetan monks </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:11]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> who. They keep it all in and they go straight for </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> compassion and they go, they try and make it okay. As opposed to really expressing, I mean, every once in a </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:20]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> while, explain that. Hold on. So we're talking about, you have every right to feel rage.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You have every right to feel anger, but you won't allow yourself to, because you're going to go straight to experiencing compassion for this person. If you go straight from not experiencing the rage and just going straight to understanding and love and compassion, forgiveness, it's not okay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You need to at least acknowledge that you are, you have felt wronged because it will show up in your body. Right. And in what Matt is bringing up is a study Dr. Mario Martinez did on Tibetan monks who have the highest case of diabetes because he figured it out it's because of not experiencing this emotion of rage.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And going straight to love and kindness, meditation compassion. I didn't mean to cut you off. I just wanted to </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> explain that's fine. And you know, you need to, you need to express yourself. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's all. There are different forms of not being quiet.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">There are different forms of showing what you think is a better way. I can equate it to photography. I definitely photographed countries that were at war that there was violence happening, but I knew I had lots of friends, acquaintances,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">peers, that that was their job. , they were war photographers. I chose to focus on something else. I never would have a gun in my photographs. It was about beauty and love.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">I have my focus, I have my way of getting a message out and my friends have their way of getting the message out.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:07]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> your photography's about seeing yourself or coming to an understanding that people are people and there is a universal feeling language, whatever you want to call it. I mean, people everywhere and people are proud of their, you know, fathers are proud of their sons and daughters and, you know, sons and daughters are respectful to, you know, there's so many kind of similar traits in general in people tend to ignore when they're the enemy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:42]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You can't. Yeah. When you say someone is crazy, you're, you're putting up that silent wall. And you're ignoring them and it's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> disrespectful almost a different kind of quiet too. Yeah, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> exactly. You're not going to hear them. Exactly. Exactly. So labeling someone like that provides such deafening silence that will actually create more violence.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So a particular group does not get heard. Guess what? Much like a toddler, much like a baby that needs attention that needs something vital. If you're not going to hear, if you're not going to be attuned to that baby, that baby needs milk, that baby needs something. Right, they will start screaming louder and louder.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right? Yeah. We're all children. Back to the photography thing, my whole point is, if you really look at the photographs and I've. Totally crucified for this. Like I'm the worst photographer. Why do you have the people looking in the camera all the time?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's because if you look at people's eyes, you will see herself. Right? And I can't believe I have to say this out loud after all these years, you know? Cause I, I don't want to say that would, that's what I'm, that's the feeling that I wanted people to have is when you look at someone, when you're talking with someone and you have eye contact, you see yourself, but be careful, don't put yourself on this person, see them for who they are.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Once you go through all those things, it's just seeing them, then you'll see yourself. But don't see yourself from the very beginning, see their pain, see their joy, see everything like you're watching a movie without being attached to them. And then you'll realize that's me. That's me too.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's why I like photography. It's quiet. That's why I like still photography. It is quiet, but in that quiet, there's a lot of things being said, a lot of music, understanding. There's a lot of story. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:49:56]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, yeah. Person's eyes show their entire existence.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know, you can see that written on a person's face, their entire existence. So obviously there is a lot of noise as it were, and it's not noise. It's stories. It's, you know, hardships, it's joys, it's everything. It's the human condition. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:50:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> The quiet friend is a very complex friend. Don't misunderstand the quiet friend.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Don't underestimate the quiet friend. That quiet friend could be a quiet revolution. That quiet friend could be a quiet, beautiful, loving, friend. That quiet friend could be the one who has known your experiences and could be your witness and is your witness friend. That quiet friend could be your enemy shunning you quiet friend.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm saying the quiet, friend is a complex friend and that's the quiet friend. I think that's it for me today. We are going to have a tableside chat about ways to be quiet and ways to not be quiet. And the consequences of that. We're going to have a fireside chat. If you want to be a part of it, email me by going to our friendly world podcast.com and join us for a zoom.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We're going to talk and just to have a fireside chat like around the campfire, a whole bunch of us talking and expressing our ideas and our experiences. We're going to do this more often. Again, just a private zoom, our friendly world podcast.com. Thank you again, KJ Nashville and Rachel Chevallier for the cups of coffee</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">you got us. Thank you. So love you and appreciate you, please. If you like our show, please, we don't do commercials. We don't do ads like that. Any kind of support you could give us will is truly so appreciated. If you could buy us a cup of coffee, there's a, there's an app on our, on our site, our friendly podcast.com.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Again, thank you so much for listening, always. We'll talk to you in just a few days. Thank you. Talk to you soon. Bye. Bye. Bye.</span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[When is it OK to be quiet? When someone is hurting, is it OK to be quiet? When you know there is injustice, do you go about your day and just focus on yourself? If you lived in Europe before WWII and you noticed your friends and neighbors disappearing, would you go about your business and think, "Oh well, I am going to focus on my own breath and well-being and that is the outside world I have no control of"?????
In our previous episode, our guest kept saying that we are not responsible for the world and that we are only responsible for ourselves. I TOTALLY DISAGREE. Although I know it is essential for a person to be well centered and strong in order to help others, I feel that we are interconnected and that we are here in life, together, and even if it is through some unseen force, I am here to help and provide comfort and support for all of life.
Our talk today comes out of the last episode we did with Sharon  Caren. I got really quiet. for those of you who know me, well, I usually will just state my opinion, and stand up for stuff. But out of respect for Sharon, I got quiet because I also felt like maybe I was being misunderstood and as I was feeling more and more upset, I got quieter because I did not want to fight with our guest. I respect her and I think she is a wonderful healer. I just did not like that I got quiet and that I did not speak up (although I did try).
This episode is my chance to discuss the ramifications of quiet as well as the good ways of quiet as we use the beautiful children's picture book by Deborah Underwood  (Author), Renata Liwska (Illustrator), to steer our conversation about this topic. I introduce you to The Quiet Friend". Please email me and let me know your point of view.
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[00:00:00] Matt: It was running the whole time, this little stopwatch, that we keep track of how long the show runs. And I had it on yesterday cause I was on the exercise bike and but it was running. And so when I took a look at it this morning, it was still running.
And so when I actually hit stop and then restart in my head, I hear a little voice going: "oh man!" so like the little, the little man in the computer thought he was doing something super cool and useful going, oh my God, I can't believe the stop-watch is running this long and this long and this long and getting more and more excited.
And then he finds out that I, the quote-unquote user just boom, boom. And he realized everything was pointless. And so he's like, oh God, 
[00:00:39] Fawn: Poor guy. 
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">What would you love in life? What would you love? Isn't that a beautiful question to ask yourself, to ask your friends to ask people out there, what would you love?</span></span></p>
<p>how do we raise our sense of wellbeing? How can we go from a fearful thought to, a blissful thought?</p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">When there's some crap in front of you, how can you switch that situation around? How can we do that? How can we go from fear-based to total bliss? How do you do that?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Today we're going to get into how to have clarity and power in life, by first asking the question: "What would you love?"</span></span></p>
<p>things that you can't see, just because you can't see them doesn't mean they don't exist.</p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">In this episode with spiritual coach, Sharen Caren, we discuss the importance of the inside job and the unseen force we focus on today is the Akashic records. We're going to talk about Meridian systems within our bodies that are not just within our bodies.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">To reach out to Sharon and receive a free chart:</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><a href="https://www.sharoncaren.com/">https://www.sharoncaren.com/</a></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">To support our show and hear about get-togethers with friends (sign up to email and support our show with coffee:<br /><br /><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What would you love? What would you love? Hi, everybody. Welcome. Welcome back. Welcome to our friendly world. There's a special treat for you today. There's a special treat for you every day, let me just say this phrase that came from our friend, Sharon, who you're going to meet in just a couple minutes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">One of the first things I remember her saying to me was this question that she posed to me and the way she asked it with such caring was "What would you love?" What would you love? Matt? What would you love in life? What would you love? Isn't that a beautiful question to ask yourself, to ask your friends to ask people out there, what would you love? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah, absolutely. I totally get it because like, one of the things I hold on to is typically, any action we're either moving from love or from fear. So focusing on the love part is probably going to be </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> healthier.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And this is perfect because one of the things we're going to get into is how to raise our vibrations . To you can, okay, Matt is rolling his eyes at me, but like, how do we raise our sense of wellbeing? How can we go from a fearful thought to, a blissful thought?</span></span></p>
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how do we raise our sense of wellbeing? How can we go from a fearful thought to, a blissful thought?
When there's some crap in front of you, how can you switch that situation around? How can we do that? How can we go from fear-based to total bliss? How do you do that?
Today we're going to get into how to have clarity and power in life, by first asking the question: "What would you love?"
things that you can't see, just because you can't see them doesn't mean they don't exist.
In this episode with spiritual coach, Sharen Caren, we discuss the importance of the inside job and the unseen force we focus on today is the Akashic records. We're going to talk about Meridian systems within our bodies that are not just within our bodies.
To reach out to Sharon and receive a free chart:
https://www.sharoncaren.com/
To support our show and hear about get-togethers with friends (sign up to email and support our show with coffee:https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
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[00:00:00] Fawn: What would you love? What would you love? Hi, everybody. Welcome. Welcome back. Welcome to our friendly world. There's a special treat for you today. There's a special treat for you every day, let me just say this phrase that came from our friend, Sharon, who you're going to meet in just a couple minutes.
 One of the first things I remember her saying to me was this question that she posed to me and the way she asked it with such caring was "What would you love?" What would you love? Matt? What would you love in life? What would you love? Isn't that a beautiful question to ask yourself, to ask your friends to ask people out there, what would you love? 
[00:00:45] Matt: Yeah, absolutely. I totally get it because like, one of the things I hold on to is typically, any action we're either moving from love or from fear. So focusing on the love part is probably going to be 
[00:00:57] Fawn: healthier.
And this is perfect because one of the things we're going to get into is how to raise our vibrations . To you can, okay, Matt is rolling his eyes at me, but like, how do we raise our sense of wellbeing? How can we go from a fearful thought to, a blissful thought?
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">What would you love in life? What would you love? Isn't that a beautiful question to ask yourself, to ask your friends to ask people out there, what would you love?</span></span></p>
<p>how do we raise our sense of wellbeing? How can we go from a fearful thought to, a blissful thought?</p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">When there's some crap in front of you, how can you switch that situation around? How can we do that? How can we go from fear-based to total bliss? How do you do that?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Today we're going to get into how to have clarity and power in life, by first asking the question: "What would you love?"</span></span></p>
<p>things that you can't see, just because you can't see them doesn't mean they don't exist.</p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">In this episode with spiritual coach, Sharen Caren, we discuss the importance of the inside job and the unseen force we focus on today is the Akashic records. We're going to talk about Meridian systems within our bodies that are not just within our bodies.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">To reach out to Sharon and receive a free chart:</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><a href="https://www.sharoncaren.com/">https://www.sharoncaren.com/</a></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">To support our show and hear about get-togethers with friends (sign up to email and support our show with coffee:<br /><br /><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What would you love? What would you love? Hi, everybody. Welcome. Welcome back. Welcome to our friendly world. There's a special treat for you today. There's a special treat for you every day, let me just say this phrase that came from our friend, Sharon, who you're going to meet in just a couple minutes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">One of the first things I remember her saying to me was this question that she posed to me and the way she asked it with such caring was "What would you love?" What would you love? Matt? What would you love in life? What would you love? Isn't that a beautiful question to ask yourself, to ask your friends to ask people out there, what would you love? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah, absolutely. I totally get it because like, one of the things I hold on to is typically, any action we're either moving from love or from fear. So focusing on the love part is probably going to be </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> healthier.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And this is perfect because one of the things we're going to get into is how to raise our vibrations . To you can, okay, Matt is rolling his eyes at me, but like, how do we raise our sense of wellbeing? How can we go from a fearful thought to, a blissful thought?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">When there's some crap in front of you, how can you switch that situation around? How can we do that? How can we go from fear-based to total bliss? How do you do that? I mean, Specifically, scientifically like technically 1, 2, 3, 4. What are the steps? How do you do that? How do you do that?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">How do you raise your vibration? How would you say it? How do you translate? How do you raise your vibration? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> How do you get elevation? So you can see everything that's around </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">you. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:45]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Today we're going to get into how to have clarity and power in life. What would you love? By the way. I had a great epiphany in the bathroom</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Bear with me. Today's show is the inside job. Remember, , last year we had our friend Rachel, on the show, Rachel Chevalier, by the way, kudos and respect, major love to our friend, Rachel Chevallier.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Please go back and listen to what she has to say. The show today is kind of on the same realm, because with Rachel Chevallier, we discussed unseen forces, we, I was afraid to totally get into Rachel's work because I felt like, oh my God, am I going to alienate half of our friends out there?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Because it seems so people call it. Woo. I hate that term, but it seems, um, it seems what's the word for it. It seems not real scientific, but in fact it is very scientific. Like we broke it down. There are scientists, there are papers done on this because what she, her work had to do with unseen forces that are actually inside the earth under your feet in the earth.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">She discovers. She researches lay lines that are in the earth. And if these lay lines intersect that creates a vortex and scientists have throughout the last, I don't know, 50, 60 years have been documenting how this affects biology, how this will affect human tissue, how it affects everything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">So things that you can't see, just because you can't see them doesn't mean they don't exist.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So that was unseen forces in a way today, we're going to talk about that, with the inside job and the unseen force today, we're going to talk about Akashic records. We're going to talk about Meridian systems within our bodies that are not just within our bodies. They're actually all around and above and below.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You can call them chakras. And there are actually more than seven or so many different ones, but there's seven main ones. And our friend Sharon, we're going to get explanations from her.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm so excited we're going to really get into it. But before we do the epiphany that I had, I don't know if I should say it now. I don't know if it'll make any sense. So I was in the bathroom, the past few weeks, as you all know, have been really challenging for us. So we, we sought out therapists to talk to for the girls, for me, like there has been so much stress in the past with us that I think that it just finally came to a head.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so in reaching out to therapists to talk to, you know, me guys, like if I go to the doctor at the same time, I'm making an appointment with an acupuncturist, to undo what the regular doctor did in a way, because like, they give you a medicine, you know, thank you. They're very helpful in some ways, but like, For example, if they give me antibiotics, then I'm screwed up in other ways.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So then I'd go to the acupuncturist to clear that up the effects of the, whatever, the drugs that I had to take, whatever medicine I had to take, you know what I mean? Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:59]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Absolutely. Antibiotics tend to have a nasty habit of killing off your stomach bacteria, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:03]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and it's not just antibiotic. So two of us in the family had a session with Sharon and what happened to me after that was, uh, I don't know how to describe it, but I turned into one of those little animals from the eighties or nineties that if you gave them water, they went crazy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Gremlin gremlins. I turn into a gremlin like an evil gremlin because I had the most beautiful session with Sharon. All right. As she was talking to me, I was completely understanding on like everything she was telling me. It felt so good and true and clear, then all of a sudden, so I go to sleep, have great sleep.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The next morning I became this evil gremlin. Like I, I was so angry. I had so much rage and, you know, lately we've been making, baguettes; homemade baguettes. I was just stuffing my face with bread. Like it was the only thing that was calming me down. I was just eating bread, rage and bread and cleaning the bathroom.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">All right. So while I'm in the bathroom, I have this epiphany because Sharon was so kind, she's like, if you have any questions, you can reach me. And if you want to talk, I'm here. We can talk again. And I just had rage and Sharon is so intuitive that she, she texted me one day. She's like:</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">am I picking up anger from you? She's she sensed that I was angry. I'm like, yeah. But the, the epiphany that I had was that I, one of the things I was angry about was, so years ago, 25 years ago, I studied with this amazing teacher, I studied Akashic records. I was studying to become a spiritual response therapist.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so the whole idea we're going to get into today regarding Akashic records, we'll explain what that is in just a second. But because I was studying because I was, working with this amazing master who was, who had all this information while we were doing that, we were getting cleared ourselves.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">So we were getting therapy in the, in the way that our records were cleared. Our spiritual records, Akashic Akashic records are basically like, there are different ways to describe them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">It could be seen as a huge library where every thing that exists in all the universes has history and there's a record, and you can look it up and you can see what the history of that thing is. Okay. Does that make sense or in terms for you Matt, to describe it is you can think of it as a computer and there are these programs, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and you can erase programs, but then there are backup disks or backup drives. A program is, for example, like we had one of the examples that we would use in class all the time was someone is allergic to cats. Why is that? And why some people, all of a sudden develop allergies out of the blue for no reason.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">All of a sudden at age 27, they become allergic to shellfish. It's interesting. Right? So in the training that I got we go into that and we figure out where is this stemming from? And usually the first program that comes up is usually the one that has the highest charge on it. And so you ask you, you go through that program, you see it, and you ask for it to be erased.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And when you do that, it shows up in your physical body. So therefore once that program is cleared, chances are, you're not going to be allergic anymore . Does that make sense? And so I'd one of the simple examples we had was people that are allergic to cats. I remember we, we were researching it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so this is what happened to me. We're researching this man that was allergic to cats and all of a sudden, a whole bunch of us in class saw -that it was a brief split second image of this man was walking in the jungle and behind him in the tree was a Panther. And that was it. And so my teacher would say, okay, what did you, what'd you get any vision?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Any feeling, so I said, I saw a Panther in the tree behind him. I don't, I don't know what that means. So then you would ask, okay, did this result in hurt or harm in any way? And then we would get a working signal for, yes. Okay. Did this result in death? Yes. How many times did this happen? Like how many lifetimes?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. I know this sounds really bizarre to some people please just bear with us. Okay. Treat it just like as a fairy tale. Okay. Just bear with me, just go with me. And so once you see that this has happened over and over and over again, and you ask more questions and another question is, Was there a program that was set up?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yes, it was set up by the soul, the spirit, the spirit of this person that, okay. I will never be hurt by a cat again because my body will sense it before I see the cat. So your body is now sensitive to being in the proximity of the cat. So therefore you get allergies, it's like a warning system. And so that's a program of benefit.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so you, what you do is you go onto the Akashic records and you burn that up. You get rid of it, you delete it. Then you put another program in that says there's no program, there's a program that you will never be hurt or harmed by a cat ever again. All right. And then you insert that program in. You understand what I'm saying?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So there's no point of conflict. There's no, none of that drama, no soap, opera, none of that. Okay. Just clear. So, I had many clearings done and this was years ago, guys, and I don't want to say how old I am, but this was years ago. So when I had my reading, my session was Sharon.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I was so disappointed because not, not in Sharon, by the way, I was disappointed in myself because I was like, how could this be? How could I have all these blocks? And how can I have all this trouble in my life right now? Because I thought all that was cleared. I'm in the bathroom. I'm looking at the toothbrushes. I'm looking at all the things that I was scrubbing in the bathroom.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I thought, oh my God, of course, because Sharon kept telling me, look at all these things that you've been through. And have you actually been working with Robert? Well, Robert passed away a few years ago and no. And the things that I've been clearing have not been specifically the things I have been having trouble with.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I thought, oh my God, that's like saying I brushed my teeth twenty-five years ago, I took a bath 25 years ago. Why am I dirty? Like, why am I having problems? So that was my epiphany in the bathroom. And that was why I had, I had so much rage was because I didn't know why. And then I realized, of course; how can you expect to go through life and go through all the random stuff that you go through,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">(not so random) and meet all the people that you meet; some of them are not the best for you. Some of them caused some damage. Sometimes you trip and you fall on your skin, your knee things happen and you need to clean up your life and your emotions as you go. And this is where our friend Sharon comes in.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">This brings me to your new friend and her name is perfect because she has share in her name, like sharing, and she's also the most caring person I've ever met.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Sharon,Caren. Caren with a C a R E and a little N. You can find her at sharencaren.com. Trust me, you want to talk with her on your own; long-winded very long-winded introduction, everyone, please meet your new beautiful friend.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's here for you, Sharon Caren. Welcome Sharon. Hi. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:21]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Sharon:</strong></span> Hello. Hello. I'm so happy and grateful to be with both of you today. This is so </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">fun. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:26]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Where should we start?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:28]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Sharon:</strong></span> Well, I would like to say everything is energy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">'cause you get, you gave us such a great explanation about what you went through and you are so amazing and you're right on track because I could feel the energy of what you were going through. And it's almost like, well, I cleared that. How come it's still we, and then we get mad at ourselves and we do all of this stuff, which doesn't give us a lot of energy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:59]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Sharon, what happened was not only was I feeling rage, but like, I felt like I was when you showed me everything that I was dealing with, without me having to even tell you, and I believe you used the term, I did all this in life. Like I still succeeded. I've done so much with both hands tied behind my back, both hands tied behind my back.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">When you said that it released all this stuff in me. When you have a friend that notices something that you've been going through without you saying it, because when you're in the midst of it, you don't realize it. But when you have a friend such as yourself saying, look what you've done with both hands behind your back.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Tied behind your back. And you are the type of friend that can say, well, let me just untie it for you. Here you go. When that happened, I felt myself raging and screaming to all the universes, like screaming to like from here to outer space, to like other planets and a scream of anguish. And I think that's what you picked up on when you said, are you angry?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:13]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Sharon:</strong></span> I did. I wanted to just come over there and give you a big hug. Like when I started to say everything is energy and, and that's really the good news, the good news is, is when we have all the energy that we would love, and that is going to be healthy and happy for the life that we love living, we're in a different place.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that's a different level. And so everything is energy. Everything's connected. Everything comes from the unified field in the other dimension. It's quantum physics, it's the sticky thoughts, substance. Everything comes from there. Something has to come from somewhere, nothing sparks from no energy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It all comes from somewhere. So where does it come from? And that's where my work is in any Akashic field and with the Akashic records, which by the way, are past present and future everything's happening, all together </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:19]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> because everything is connected and everything in between, right? There are so many dimensions in between all those.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:26]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Sharon:</strong></span> Totally. The beauty of it is, is when we have these times, these timeouts, where we just have to just scream or yell or do whatever we have to do, that's the good news. Cause we're letting all that stuff go like you're in the bathroom, perfect place. Just flush it, you know, just let it out and let it go.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then when we come back to this place and go, okay, now what would I love? And when I say that word, like on the map of consciousness, David R. Hawkins, I don't know. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:03]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Can you please explain the map of consciousness to us? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:08]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Sharon:</strong></span> Yes. When I found this Akashic work, this was part of it, David R. Hawkins and the map of consciousness because we know about energy and people know, everybody says energy, energy, energy, but we can't see it or touch it or smell it. However we know that it's there and it's most important that we have enough energy to maintain our physical body with ease. So one of my first documents that I got along with the Akashic I teach people how to read the Akashic records, training certification.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But David R. Hawkins, he was a scientist and a doctor. And he's the only one that I know of. I'm not saying he's the only one. He's the only one that I know of that actually attained enlightenment that came from science purely. He was an atheist. If you want to look on YouTube, read any of his books, "Power Versus Force" is the one that the map of consciousness came out of. I share that map with everyone because how do we describe frequency or energy to someone? Well, on the map, it has the levels and it has the words.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:26]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> what's the lowest level of energy. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:29]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Sharon:</strong></span> I believe it's like 20 or something, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:33]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but is it like fear or hate,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:35]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Sharon:</strong></span> Basically the line is at 200. We want to be at 200 or above. And that's kind of curiosity. That's just kind of open to the possibilities, but anything, 199 and below is basically no energy is coming in to our physical body from the etheric body and the chakra systems. So when I'm talking about energy, it means either our physical body is going to be living with ease or not, depending on the scale at the map of consciousness, right? Looks like you have a </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">question </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So bellow 200, which of course is just an arbitrary number. As far as I'm concerned, it's like apathy, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Sharon, is this the same thing as like a long time ago, people are we're measuring music and they found that for example, the Beatles were operating on a very high frequency.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Whereas the rolling stones were actually , low vibration. And it was probably because the Beatles, spoke about love and it was, everything was attuned to love. Whereas maybe theRolling Stones who had to do with more base level, like earthly, like</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">sex or pure sex, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:58]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Sharon:</strong></span> we can go there. Well, that's why I always say, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> well, if there's anything wrong with sex, I'm sorry. Nothing wrong with sex. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:06]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Sharon:</strong></span> No. And that is it's human. It's how we procreate. It's so important for the physical body. It's part of that frequency. And it also means, how are people working with it?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">And that all comes from the mental body, which doesn't mean it's in love or anything else. It can be whatever. So that all makes a big difference for sure. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:38]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Just under 200. Is that apathy? Is that just, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:42]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Sharon:</strong></span> There's a lot of different levels.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:45]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So enlightenment is 700 to a thousand so </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:49]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> basically I, it looks like it goes from bestest to worstest and there's assigned arbitrary numbers and then just the feelings or the emotions that get tied to it. So if you're living in a world of pride, anger, desire, fear, grief, apathy, guilt, and shame, those kind of negative, aren't they? And then the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:10]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> emotion.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yeah. So the, if you're feeling humiliation, that's like the lowest. Shame </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:19]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Sharon:</strong></span> and power. The reason it says power versus force, in David R. Hawkins book, that was the name of the book. Power energy is flowing energy. Force energy is push energy. That's why everything 199 and below there's little to no energy that's coming into our chakras. It's going to keep our physical body living with ease. So we want to be 200 or above. Now. There's a couple of different ways of using the numbers. There can be the level that our soul is at. Like what I do in the Akashic readings. We can get a reading for where our soul is actually in the non-physical from the records.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">What number that is, and we're human beings and we're human, becomings becoming the best version of ourselves. So we're going to sometimes fluctuate. It's not static. However, it's a barometer, it's a way for us to track energy because how do we know where we are when we don't understand energy, or we don't know how to work with it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">David R. Hawkins in his foundation, after 20 years working with people because he was a psychologist. And so working with people, he actually came up with this. This was years and years and years of research working with all the different people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Cause he wanted to know why some people have this and why some people had that. And some people didn't. And, and so that's how him and his foundation came up with this map of consciousness, which we want to be at 200 or above because then energy is coming in our etheric body, through our chakras and into our physical body's nervous system.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">These are the first two bodies, the etheric body chakras in the other dimension. We always have one foot in the other dimension. And then. This is where the chakras live. So if we're down under 199 in pride, anger, desire, fear, grief, guilt, shame, all of that. There's little to no energy that's coming into the chakras at all.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:46]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So in a way it's like I'm starving. You're not getting nutrients. You're not getting vital nutrients for your spirit, much like you wouldn't get nutrients for your body to live fruitfully. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:59]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, I, and it also comes into, getting away from foot in the other realm and all the rest of it. We always want to, we always believe we're we act in the moral; with a sense of moral rightness.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And when you're in all these negative emotions, like pride and stuff, you're, you're not there. And so you're inherently like in the back of your head, you're kind of, you're kind of spinning, gone, wait a second. Something, something doesn't feel right. Something doesn't smell. Right. And, and that's just, that's just something that's just continually just bugging you in the back of your head.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You want to be, and you want to be in love. You want to feel trust. You want to feel empowered, or, if you're one of those few blessed people, you want to feel true enlightenment and like a lasting enlightenment, as opposed to one of those aha moments that occur, which feels so good, don't they?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But here's the thing though, when you're experiencing fear and rage and all that stuff, that's on the bottom scale, it's kind of addictive, isn't it? Like you, you can't even get to the point of saying, I want to get out of here. I want to, I want to go to a higher place. You were just so angry that it's addictive and you just.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Becoming this, like, it's like a snowball effect, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right? I think it can be addictive, but only because it's protecting you from maybe your environment. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, how do you get your Sharon? How do you get yourself out of that? I know you do. You know what I mean? When you're in a ball of rage and you can't, if you don't have a friend to say, yo, what, you know what I mean?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">How do you, how do you get out of that Sharon? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:34]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Sharon:</strong></span> Well, the reason that we use the map is so we can tell. So anything, you know, why I always ask people, what would you love? And I always ask myself, do you see where love is on the map? It's at 500. That and 200 is is bottomed to where we want to be.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And 500 is the love energy. We can do this! You can shift it on a dime just by doing this. So if you feel, okay, you're down, you're having fear, anxiety whatever's happening, COVID, everybody's going crazy. And then you notice. And so the first tool is (that I love to share) is notice what you're noticing, because as soon as you notice that you're down there, what do you do?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">What would I love? What would I love? What would I love? Whenever I say that, I dunno if I get up to a 500, but I am just open to the infinite possibilities of the universe. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:40]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Sharon, is this the same as when Matt and I get into a fight? We're in a screaming match and then one of us will yell out.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Love is winning. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:49]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Sharon:</strong></span> Yes. Very similar because it takes you from the depths. The power, energy is love energy. It's up high. The force energy is push energy and it's very low frequency. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:07]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> This is like martial arts, for sure. Isn't it, Matt? I was </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> just, I was just thinking, I mean, to me, the key is, is, if I'm caught in a, in an anger spiral where I was in high school, It's addicting, but B it's also almost self referential, but then you run into someone who is operating, you know, moving from love as opposed to moving from fear.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">And all of a sudden it can take you out of that emotional context, but let's not forget in the world of emotion versus logic, because what you're talking about is trying to remove somebody from something they're emotionally connected to logically, that's a very, very tough battle. And usually emotion always wins.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So it's a tricky thing,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but Sharon, isn't it like if I want to beat someone up, if I want to beat them up really bad, right. And I'm using force, I'm losing my energy. Right. I get tired. I could get hurt. They could get hurt. It's destruction all the way around. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:04]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Sharon:</strong></span> Why are some P many people sick right now? Why?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Because they don't understand about the energy because when we're down. Anger, fear, grief, all of that. Everybody's afraid of that. You know, what's going on in our world right now. Fear just takes you out. That's why people are dying. I mean, people are going to die anyway, as we're all going to, we come in and we go out whenever we, we choose seriously, we come in and we go out and we get to choose that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But in between, what would you love? What is it? It's actually repatterning reprogramming the subconscious mind because everything that we've learned since we were born to today from anything we've heard anything, the whole mess, there's no filters in the subconscious mind. 94% of our life that we're living it without consciousness is coming from the subconscious mind. The subconscious mind is part of the reptilian brain. And it's part of the mental body, which by the way, is body number four, we kind of bypassed body number three, which finding number three is emotion. But the emotional body is more helpful than the mental body in what we're talking about right now, because the emotional body is you can turn it on a dime.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like you can be down here in the depths of grief and go, what would I love? What would I love? What would I love the barometer? And then we can get back up to love. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Can you briefly go over what the four bodies are Sharon, please?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:52]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Sharon:</strong></span> Yes. First body. And this is order of importance .</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">First body is the etheric body. That's the one that lives in the other dimension, that one foot in the other dimension, that's where the shoppers live and that's where the energy comes in. So when we're here in a physical body, we have to understand the laws of the universe in order to be healthy and in order to get on top of whatever the paradigms and the subconscious mind.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So we have the therapy body with the chakras when we're 200 and above energy's coming into the seven chakras below little to no energies coming in at all. Second bodies, our physical body and that's where the nervous system, then our energy from our third body connects with the nervous system in our physical body.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's what gives us life in the physical body. We have to have energy coming from the shoppers that transfers into our body's electrical, nervous system. Then the third body is the emotional body. That's our barometer. So the emotional body is saying, what would I love? What would I love? What would I love?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Or if I feel contractive, oh, yikes. You know, I'm scared to death that I can't help myself no energy. And that's why we want to notice. . . BOOM What would I love? Just change that we can all say whatever, you know, whatever gives you more life. You don't have to say what I say, but that love when I say love energy,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">that's what just really opens me up. So I can't even think of the other things. And that's what we want to do. We can turn it on a dime. And then the fourth body is the mental body. Now the mental body is very purposeful. The mental body is what keeps our physical body alive. However, the mental body is only trying to keep us alive.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The mental health. Doesn't give us love joy, happiness, a life we would love living. The mental body doesn't do any of that. The mental body goes, you better be careful. You better not do that. Don't jump out of the plane with the parachute because you're going to die. Don't do that. And that's all the fear and all that stuff that comes up because , the mental body is trying to keep us alive, but it's not going to give us more life.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And also the subconscious mind goes along with that, 94% of the subconscious mind is what's running our lives. So basically what we learned when we were five is what's running this body unless we stop it. Unless we understand that we actually have choices, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:43]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm tripping out. I'm like, oh my God.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">As a mother I'm like number four, don't do that. Be careful. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:51]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Sharon:</strong></span> Yeah. Don't yeah. We don't want to say those things. It puts fear, anxiety and everything else into everybody's minds. So we stand guard at the portal of our thoughts. We stand guard at the portal of our thoughts because we are creators.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We have come into this physical life to create in the physical, because we're just pure energy in the other dimension. But when we come into this life, we can create anything we can think of. That's the imagination, the creative visualization, all the successful people, how do they create that? That's how; by changing their thoughts.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">What would I love? We came in with the infinite possibilities. We can do say have whatever we would love. We can decide the whole thing and we have help from the universe because the universe listens to our thoughts and our words. So if we're down here going, oh, you know, I, I, I I'm, I'm grieving, you know, I'm angry.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well, we're going to get more of that because whatever we think about, and whatever we say is what we're going to get. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:13]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> What we </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">focus on, grows</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Sharon is that why you told me, go ahead and eat some ice cream after our session, you said, whatever will make you feel better. You need to rest. You need to take care of your physical body first because your physical body takes a while to catch up to your etheric body.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So right now, why don't you go do whatever makes you feel good. If it's ice cream, go have some ice cream. I had ice cream. I had like 15 loaves of bread. I feel better. I do feel better and thinner. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:47]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Sharon:</strong></span> We, we just need to listen. We need to listen with our still small voice that are still small voices, our connection with the infinite that's our soul connection.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so we come in in a physical body and then what happens is we get it backwards. Because it's the focus. The only thing that matters is it's an inside job. It doesn't happen out here. It happens from here with our connection to all that is. That's why grounding is so important. When we breathe ground and remember, you know, in the earth, has us, Gaia the mother earth, you know, Archangel Arielle on the first chakra is holding us.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We can't float away. We've got gravity. When we're breathing the sacred breath in, going down into our feet, we're safe. And that's where remember we're safe </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:46]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and takes us out of an emotional kind of context, in my mind, at least. And you know, it takes us out of our head and into our center as we would do in a martial arts like Aikido.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And in many ways, it's like, you're starting to now win the, logic versus emotion argument, because emotion is almost like you're able to logically hear. You're able to logically feel from my point of view.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:14]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Sharon:</strong></span> And I believe it's important that the mental body isn't in the driver's seat. When I said the four bodies the etheric, physical, emotional, and mental, it's in order of importance. Were a soul first. We didn't come from nowhere. We didn't make our bodies. We don't even breathe ourselves. Who does that?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Where does that come from? We know there's a higher order. There's a higher power. Otherwise we wouldn't even be here in a physical body. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:46]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I mean, you learn that in martial arts too. We're not being religious here. Even, if you don't believe that there's a higher force out there, we're not talking about religion here at all, but you definitely experience what we're talking about</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">if you do something like martial arts. We had to feel each other's connections and see and feel with our eyes closed blindfolded where the next movement was coming from, where the person was, where their arms were. W you know, you could see without seeing you could feel it, which leads me to, like, you brought up the word connection.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">And I want Matt to talk because every time we get off the show, he's like, well, I had all these things I wanted to talk about. And I keep looking at him like, why don't you bring them up? But since you're not jumping in, Matt, I'm going to jump in. I want to talk about connection. I want your take Sharon on what's going on on the planet.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Why do you think, there is such a disconnect and there is such polarity and it's coming in the form of so many different things from politics to families being completely divisive and separated.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:51]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Sharon:</strong></span> I understand what you're saying. And the more you say those things, the lower the energy is, and the more lonely you're going to be. I it's so simple. No one believes it. That it is as simple as saying, I'm not going to be down here and the, this, and all of that stuff that you talked about, honey, that was all outside of you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We have to care for ourselves first; love ourselves first. We can't love another person if we don't have it in our heart. If we're disconnected and we don't have whatever that is, we think we're giving to everybody else. I've got another, you know, another idea for you. It doesn't happen that way. It is an inside job.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That means you can't focus out here. We have to keep bringing it back and bringing it back. Everything that we're learning is to come back to the inside of ourselves because we have all the answers. We came in with them at birth. We came in with everything that we needed to have everything that we would love, only we forgot.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so the forgetting is looking out here, the remembering is like, oh yes, I am that I am, we have, and this is universal spirituality. This is not religion that we're talking about. This is so important. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">This is science. It's quantum physics. It's not woo woo. It has nothing to do with that. However, it is the order of things. And that's why when I do a reading for somebody, I like to say, now you can maybe understand a little bit of the rest of the story because we've got it flipped backwards, because we're just so looking outside of ourselves, that we're all of our power is diminished.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Our life force is diminished. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:56]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I feel like I've done messed up with my words, but, and I'm afraid to ask the next question or like to have, you know, to have like a reply to that, which is okay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We feel dandy over here. However, see, now we're afraid to say anything, but the country seems like it's falling apart because nobody's friends everybody's. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:19]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Sharon:</strong></span> But if you're looking you're whatever you're looking for, honey, you're going to find </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it. I'm looking for heaven or hell, you'll find it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:29]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> guys, but realistically out there people are fighting.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So am I supposed to turn a blind eye to that and go, there is no injustice happening. am I supposed to turn a blind eye to that? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Certainly, certainly no. Keep a realistic eye and appraisal on it, but don't live </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">there. What if, okay, don't live </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:55]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Sharon:</strong></span> there. If you pitch a tent there, you're not going to have energy coming into your chakras. How are you going to stay alive and help your daughters grow </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">up?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:07]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I understand that, but I feel like, uh, well now I have, I'm afraid to say anything because </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:20]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> case in point over the course of the past couple of weeks, they've determined that Facebook loves generating incendiary content. They just do because it's more click baity. It sticks people there, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So when's the last time I was on Facebook. It's been months. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:38]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Not even months, you haven't been there for years. Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> every six to eight months, I'll go ahead and log in because I'll just do that. But you know, it's like, I always talk about, things you want in your circle. I want to keep things out of my circle too.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so one of the things I want to keep trying to keep out of my circle are going to be things that don't make me feel good. And ultimately, you know, a Twinkie may make me feel good for a minute, but you know, maybe a salad is going to make me feel better long-term or, or, you know, being on the bike for an hour, it's going to make me feel much better.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's just, it's about where you want to live. And you know, not nobody says that you're going to be always operating in this. You're going to be like, you know, JC who always did everything perfectly, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Of course, you're going to do, you're going to have a Twinkie now. And again, I don't live </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> there, guys.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm not living there, but I'm also trying to help out the world. help out the world Okay. help out the world There are people fighting. There is fighting happening and I have a theory now I can't even bring that up because I mean, what am I supposed to do, Sharon? Am I supposed to be </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:50]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> quiet? If you bring the pink box full of pastries into </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:42:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Congress, Sharon doesn't know what I'm talking about.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We're talking about Sharon. So Sharon, the pink box theory is what I came up with years ago. My theory is if anyone shows up to a room of fighting people with a pretty pink box, everything stops no matter what culture you're in, because, and this is good.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">This is not a sexual connotation. It's, it's a pastry box and pastry boxes look the same around the world that, so I said, you know, if you're at the United nations and all the leaders are in this room fighting, but if someone walks in with a big pink box, everyone stops and smiles because they know it's pastries, you know?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:43:32]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and so basically what you're doing is you're doing an Aikido. You're doing an,atemi, you are cutting everybody's ki and your redirecting. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:43:40]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Sharon:</strong></span> Redirection quick. I got that. And you know what, honey? So let that pink box be your heart and soul. You cannot, you cannot take care of the world.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're not here to watch everybody on earth only you. It's an inside job. We're here to do number one. That's taking care of ourselves. So what you've done with that pink box is it's like displaying your heart. Now, when you live it inside of you, you don't even have to carry the box. You are the box, you are the one. The three of us here together? What's three times 90,000, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> 270,000. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:25]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Sharon:</strong></span> How much? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> 270,000. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:27]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Sharon:</strong></span> Okay. When each one of us, the reason I'm making a point here is each one of us. When we're vibrating at a 300 or above each one of us, Lightworkers vibrating at 300 or above uplifts, 90,000 people on the planet.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The three of us here today, together 270,000 people. We are uplifting when we are above the 200. Well, we would get to the 300 line. That means we can't spend a lot of time down in the blue part because we're not going to be helping people. If we do that. See, it's an inside job. All right. Only way that it's gonna work.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Alright. Okay. I get it my way. It's a universal law. Yeah. People, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:18]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> people say humor is infectious and which is moving us up the scale as well as just being able to look at those people who are doing good in the world. When you hear about stuff like that, it makes you feel better. It just does. It's like, you know, it doesn't matter who they're helping or how they're helping, and if they're not helping you, it still makes you feel </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:41]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> okay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So this is, repatterning the subconscious mind in real time, as we're speaking. I feel like I got that bamboo stick on my head by Sharon. Okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Getting into the chakra system. By the way, Sharon has some gifts for you. If you go to her website, you get free downloads to everything we're talking about. One of them is the chakra guide, and I like your particular wording of each different chakra, Sharon, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">You were talking about each different chakra and in a way, I started to. Reflect on what others were saying like, oh, this person is operating from the first chakra;</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">They're stuck in the first chakra, the root chakra, that they're not able to walk well in the world that they're stuck at this bottom level. Oh, too bad for you. You're stuck there. I read what you were saying about it, it's really interesting because you talked about foundations.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">I took some notes here. So the seven chakras, the seven Meridian points in our bodies; each one is associated with a color and it's really the rainbow. So it's ROYGBIV. The first one is red and that's the root chakra. It's the base of your spine.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">It has to do with your roots, your history survival it's about the material world. When you activate that you feel connected to the earth. So like we were talking about grounding, you feel safe, you feel like you're in control. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The second one is a little higher. It's in your hips. It's orange, that's the sacral chakra. And it's below the navel. It's in the hips. This is the center where emotions live, desires, pleasures. When activated, you feel alive, desired and are enjoying everything. You are in touch with your emotions and you're trusting toward others.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">A little bit higher you have the yellow, which is the belly, the solar plexus, that's where your source of power lives. When this is activated, you respect yourself and others, you feel outgoing, happy, relaxed, yet energized. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">You go up a little higher. It's the green color. This is where the heart is. Here you are balanced, compassionate. It's the center of your being when activated, you feel friendly, outgoing, and connected, connected easily with yourself and others. You practice unconditional love, empathy, and you nurture your relationships.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">A little bit higher is the throat, which is blue . This is all about self-expression your voice. When it's in balance, you feel empowered to speak your truth and communicate with others. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">One higher some people say it's the third eye. And some people say it's in the center of your skull, they call it the meditation sanctuary, as we've talked about in previous shows. This is the indigo color, and this is where inner vision is; insight, imagination, the clarity of thoughts. When this is activated, you feel focused and steady. You may feel you're seeing from higher perspectives, beyond the ego, worries or fears. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then of the seven chakra system. Then you have the crown, which is a violet color. This is at the top of your head. And when this is activated, you've found your soul's purpose. You feel enlightened knowing that we are all connected and everything is love. There is no limit to bliss and complete control of your mind. So these are notes I took from Sharon. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If you go to Sharon, karen.com, you'll get a download of this. So my theory was, see, now I'm afraid to speak. Okay. I don't know how to pose this and I'm sure you'll whack me over the head, but I'm just going to say it anyway. So do you think society, perhaps when it's not in balance it's because the roots, sacral and solar plexus, the first three chakras are off balance because they're not able to reach the heart area.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They're not able to have compassion. They're not balanced. So is something going on with a base, which is, the material world, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:50:07]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Sharon:</strong></span> you know, I think it's very personal for each and each and every one, because we were all, even though we're all connected and we're all energy and we're all the same, we're each unique beings.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">In other words, when our soul sparked we're each unique and we're all one, so individually there could be so many different ways that this plays out. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And when we're in that place, then we can do, then we can help more people on a larger scale. That going back to your question, honey, it's a really good question. And I can tell you that I work with a lot of people who are not in their body and we ha we came here to experience a physical body. That's the reason we came and we cannot maintain a physical body if we're not in it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">I am so happy and grateful because I can help people with that. Now I know lots of people that have just the opposite, they are totally physical and there's nothing else. So it's very individual. And, and I think if we're looking for something, we're probably going to find it, you know, if like, if you can help people with, you know, whatever you can help people with and, and, you know, then that's what we do with each other is we really help each other out in that way.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But I've gotten to be a master at really listening to people and seeing how, what they say is usually a dead giveaway to where they live. I mean, you know, those people that know. There's those people that there's, as a matter what you say, they know everything, they know it all. That's somebody living in the, in the mental body.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And the thing is, is the mental body. We don't know it. We know of it. We may know certain things, but we don't know. We can't know everything we know of it until we, until we understand it, learn it, digest it and live from that powerful, powerful place inside of ourselves. That's the only time we know it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that's what we get it in our body. And we're living from that place.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:52:43]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Matt would say, you,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:52:50]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it to me personally, maybe I'm just a very basic kind of a person, but it there's a lot of quantification of feelings happening here and emotions in my mind, at least happening here, which probably puts me in a different body or whatever. But to me, it's like, do good. You'll feel </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:53:10]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> good. You guys good for you?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm still thinking about what the hell happened to this country. What the hell is going on in the world? I be </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:53:20]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> the change you want to see? I'll start, I'll start off. I'll start quoting some random stuff on you. No, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:53:27]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> see, now you're starting to anger. Find me I'm slipping and going to the depths sharing, going to anger </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:53:38]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Sharon:</strong></span> and mean just answer, answer me this one thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If you could have anything that you would love.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">What would that be easy answer? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:53:55]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, I, I want, I want to have a big, beautiful family and, and I'm talking about humanity. I'm talking about humanity. I want my children to have beautiful friends. I want to be surrounded by beautiful friends. I, I wouldn't love to go to the store and feel safe. And I would love to go without boundaries, roaming the earth and eating </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:54:22]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Sharon:</strong></span> delicious.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And you know how you do that every day in every way, you're getting better and better. And you write down the vision of what you would absolutely love and you read it every single day. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:54:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I also would love for my fellow man to love each other. Sorry, I'm going to the depths again, but I don't want them to stop.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I want them to stop killing each other and being mean, what is, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:54:46]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> what is, what is the mind tell us about no mind. Doesn't understand. No, the mind doesn't all of a sudden now you're like, I want anger and hatred. And is really, even though you're saying I don't want it, you put the no word on it, but your brain doesn't understand.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:55:01]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, can I say, I want everyone to calm down. That's much </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:55:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> better. Isn't </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:55:05]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Sharon:</strong></span> it? Well, the thing is, you're the only one that can do anything for yourself. You cannot do anything for, we all have free choice and free will honey, where we come in to this earth, everyone has free choice and free will. That's why some people don't even stand in the light of creator.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Everybody gets to choose wherever they want to be. You can't tell somebody else what did you, honey? It's not your job. It's not our job. Our job is only ourself</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:55:39]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> okay, well, why don't you guys close the show? I don't know what to say um, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:55:46]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Sharon:</strong></span> think about it. If it doesn't work for you, honey, you don't have to </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:55:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> do this is something I obviously I think about, I've always thought about it, but at the same time, I also want to help. If I see a mess, I want to clean it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:55:58]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> just going to steal from Sharon steal from Sharon, breathe ground. And remember breathing takes us out of our emotional context and back into a world that may be logic and emotion can start to like really kind of co-exist as opposed to fighting each other. Grounding is us almost, you know, is us just feeling some strength and then remembering, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">we remind ourselves where we want </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">to go. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:56:29]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> All right. So we have thousands that are we could end right there. All right, hold on a second. Now. See you scared me. And I was going to say something nice. Stop it. Um, what I was seeing, I forgot what I was gonna say, what I was gonna say was there a thousands of us on this podcast?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so we are holding a friendship bond, a loving bond together. We are doing it. There are thousands of us on our friendly world in our friendly world. And we'll just continue in that. We will, we will just hold what we love. And with that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Thank you all for listening. And we love you so much. All right, everybody calm down. Everybody's calm. I'm calm. I'm calm. All right, thank you.</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[What would you love in life? What would you love? Isn't that a beautiful question to ask yourself, to ask your friends to ask people out there, what would you love?
how do we raise our sense of wellbeing? How can we go from a fearful thought to, a blissful thought?
When there's some crap in front of you, how can you switch that situation around? How can we do that? How can we go from fear-based to total bliss? How do you do that?
Today we're going to get into how to have clarity and power in life, by first asking the question: "What would you love?"
things that you can't see, just because you can't see them doesn't mean they don't exist.
In this episode with spiritual coach, Sharen Caren, we discuss the importance of the inside job and the unseen force we focus on today is the Akashic records. We're going to talk about Meridian systems within our bodies that are not just within our bodies.
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[00:00:00] Fawn: What would you love? What would you love? Hi, everybody. Welcome. Welcome back. Welcome to our friendly world. There's a special treat for you today. There's a special treat for you every day, let me just say this phrase that came from our friend, Sharon, who you're going to meet in just a couple minutes.
 One of the first things I remember her saying to me was this question that she posed to me and the way she asked it with such caring was "What would you love?" What would you love? Matt? What would you love in life? What would you love? Isn't that a beautiful question to ask yourself, to ask your friends to ask people out there, what would you love? 
[00:00:45] Matt: Yeah, absolutely. I totally get it because like, one of the things I hold on to is typically, any action we're either moving from love or from fear. So focusing on the love part is probably going to be 
[00:00:57] Fawn: healthier.
And this is perfect because one of the things we're going to get into is how to raise our vibrations . To you can, okay, Matt is rolling his eyes at me, but like, how do we raise our sense of wellbeing? How can we go from a fearful thought to, a blissful thought?
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                                            <![CDATA[<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">This is an URGENT message for today! Let's change what is happening right now!</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><br />The world is a safe place, you guys (I KNOW, I KNOW... lately it feels and looks like it's the end of days. It's scary), but there's more to it. The world is also a loving, friendly place. The world is a small town and everyone is your friend. And there are all kinds of friends, each one with various amounts of capacities and areas of focused abilities and ways about them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">In this episode, we provide a key to changing the world. We talk about how one man can create chaos and make millions of people experience terror. We talk about how one person also has the power to make everything GREAT! That one person is you. That one person is us. We talk about Nikola Tesla and remind each other of how truly powerful we are and how we can TOTALLY change the world in the midst of terrible things happening.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We've been doing different episodes, "The Quiet Friend", "The Weird Friend", all the different types of friends. Right. And they weave in and out in all directions. If you step away (or up) far away enough in your awareness of the world, you may notice how it's interwoven everything really is.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">#Galvanized, #Electric, #powerful, #light, #spark, #change, #electromagnetic, #hotstuff, #ignition, #theworldisasafeplace, #akindworld, #afriendlyworld, #ourfriendlyworldwithfawnandmatt, #betterstrongertogether<br /><br />Tune in to this episode and also to a previous episode when you are done, and you can hear a great reminder from our friend Rachel Chevalier.<br /><br /></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">to contact Fawn and Matt:</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/contact/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/contact/</a></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">to support our show:<br /><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</a></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">previous episode from last March: <br /><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/unseen-forces-w-special-guest-rachel-chevalier/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/unseen-forces-w-special-guest-rachel-chevalier/</a><br /></span></span></p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>Galvanized Transcript</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Welcome back. Welcome back, everybody. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello!</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Welcome to our friendly world. The world is a safe place, you guys, but there's more to it. The world is also a loving, friendly place. The world is a small town and everyone is your friend. And there are all kinds of friends, each one with various amounts of capacities and areas of focused abilities and ways about them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We've been doing different episodes, "The Qui...</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This is an URGENT message for today! Let's change what is happening right now!
The world is a safe place, you guys (I KNOW, I KNOW... lately it feels and looks like it's the end of days. It's scary), but there's more to it. The world is also a loving, friendly place. The world is a small town and everyone is your friend. And there are all kinds of friends, each one with various amounts of capacities and areas of focused abilities and ways about them.
In this episode, we provide a key to changing the world. We talk about how one man can create chaos and make millions of people experience terror. We talk about how one person also has the power to make everything GREAT! That one person is you. That one person is us. We talk about Nikola Tesla and remind each other of how truly powerful we are and how we can TOTALLY change the world in the midst of terrible things happening.
We've been doing different episodes, "The Quiet Friend", "The Weird Friend", all the different types of friends. Right. And they weave in and out in all directions. If you step away (or up) far away enough in your awareness of the world, you may notice how it's interwoven everything really is.
#Galvanized, #Electric, #powerful, #light, #spark, #change, #electromagnetic, #hotstuff, #ignition, #theworldisasafeplace, #akindworld, #afriendlyworld, #ourfriendlyworldwithfawnandmatt, #betterstrongertogetherTune in to this episode and also to a previous episode when you are done, and you can hear a great reminder from our friend Rachel Chevalier.
to contact Fawn and Matt:
https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/contact/
 
to support our show:https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace
previous episode from last March: https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/unseen-forces-w-special-guest-rachel-chevalier/
 
Galvanized Transcript
[00:00:00] Fawn: Welcome back. Welcome back, everybody. 
[00:00:02] Matt: Hello!
[00:00:03] Fawn: Welcome to our friendly world. The world is a safe place, you guys, but there's more to it. The world is also a loving, friendly place. The world is a small town and everyone is your friend. And there are all kinds of friends, each one with various amounts of capacities and areas of focused abilities and ways about them.
We've been doing different episodes, "The Qui...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">This is an URGENT message for today! Let's change what is happening right now!</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><br />The world is a safe place, you guys (I KNOW, I KNOW... lately it feels and looks like it's the end of days. It's scary), but there's more to it. The world is also a loving, friendly place. The world is a small town and everyone is your friend. And there are all kinds of friends, each one with various amounts of capacities and areas of focused abilities and ways about them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">In this episode, we provide a key to changing the world. We talk about how one man can create chaos and make millions of people experience terror. We talk about how one person also has the power to make everything GREAT! That one person is you. That one person is us. We talk about Nikola Tesla and remind each other of how truly powerful we are and how we can TOTALLY change the world in the midst of terrible things happening.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We've been doing different episodes, "The Quiet Friend", "The Weird Friend", all the different types of friends. Right. And they weave in and out in all directions. If you step away (or up) far away enough in your awareness of the world, you may notice how it's interwoven everything really is.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">#Galvanized, #Electric, #powerful, #light, #spark, #change, #electromagnetic, #hotstuff, #ignition, #theworldisasafeplace, #akindworld, #afriendlyworld, #ourfriendlyworldwithfawnandmatt, #betterstrongertogether<br /><br />Tune in to this episode and also to a previous episode when you are done, and you can hear a great reminder from our friend Rachel Chevalier.<br /><br /></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">to contact Fawn and Matt:</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/contact/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/contact/</a></span></span></p>
<p> </p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">to support our show:<br /><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</a></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">previous episode from last March: <br /><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/unseen-forces-w-special-guest-rachel-chevalier/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/unseen-forces-w-special-guest-rachel-chevalier/</a><br /></span></span></p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>Galvanized Transcript</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Welcome back. Welcome back, everybody. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello!</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Welcome to our friendly world. The world is a safe place, you guys, but there's more to it. The world is also a loving, friendly place. The world is a small town and everyone is your friend. And there are all kinds of friends, each one with various amounts of capacities and areas of focused abilities and ways about them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We've been doing different episodes, "The Quiet Friend", "The Weird Friend", all the different types of friends. Right. And they weave in and out in all directions. If you step away (or up) far away enough in your awareness of the world, you may notice how it's interwoven. Everything really is.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If you step away far enough in your awareness of the world, you may notice how interwoven everything really is; how one act of kindness transforms one person and ripples, weaves through the entire fabric of the world we live in; how one burst of joy and happiness lifts, everything from emotions to physical well-being to economic growth; how one thought can lighten up not just your surroundings within yourself, but the sky and everyone looking at the clouds.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Step away a little bit further now. Step a little bit further away, and it may even appear that we are this kind of electric circuit board, where information is instantly connected, received, and translated. In fact, if you look and you keep looking, you may realize we are electric. We are electric; charged with great power that does act like a super information machine, much like how we have built our computers to be.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Take your mind away from the computers because we are the natural, original, organic biological version of the computer. We are electromagnetic, galvanized, ignited, a current that runs throughout each one of us, that even Nicola Tesla noticed can provide physical power to light the world. We are the spark. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We are hot stuff. Look even more expansively and you may notice how one spark here affects another on the other side of the planet. Go back to being small again, and you will feel that spark from the other side of the world and notice it affecting your heart here. Look enough, and you may realize the interconnections of everything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And you're going to be told; and you're going to hear people say that you're not responsible for the quote unquote "outside world". And I'm here. I'm here reemphasizing the message that we all know that we are the outside world. We are the inner world. The outside world is our inner world.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We are amazing electromagnetic electronic beings. We are amazing, powerful ignited sources of light. And you best believe that we can change the world. One thought can change the world. We are powerful like that. So when things are going on, especially these days, when all this is going on, and there's all kinds of sparks, sparking, flying, and may seem out of control and may seem scary.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It may seem the opposite of friendly. Just know that it's still the spark and we can, and we are in so many ways galvanized because we're all feeling each other and it's not about fighting for vaccines or fighting against vaccines. It's not about fighting for this or that. It's because there's a sense of separation at the root of it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">The sparks are flying in different directions it seems, but we're here to remind each other that we are interconnected. That we're all the same. It's the same body that when one spark, like I said, is felt around the world, it is felt in your own body, if you pay attention. And so when that happens, realize that one beautiful act of joy or a thought of joy or a thought of something that you wish for</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">that's good; please believe that that does change the world, that you are responsible for the outer world. Every action we take is creating everything. That's what I want to talk about today.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Actually, that's what we talk about on every show, if you pay attention. Right? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> (Matt laughs) True.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So the world is a friendly place. It's a kind world, especially because you're in it and because of our friendship, because we are better, stronger together.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's what I want to remember. That's what I want to focus on. I have had so many people tell me to basically shut up and mind my own business. And that I am not strong enough or responsible for anything having to do outside of myself. That is the greatest lie and such a terrible way to keep you disempowered</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:29]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and on a basic level.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I think we can all agree that's not true. I mean, family, just talk about family for a second. You know, we're a quote unquote responsible and there's no quote unquote to it. We're responsible for, you know, our family, our daughters. So it's inherently a terrible thing to say to just, you're not responsible for anything outside of yourself.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:51]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> There are a lot of people who say that; there's a lot of parenting circles that say, you know, you have to let them just be, and on so many levels. Like it's not so, black and white. You know, they'll say you have to let them make mistakes. I agree. But to not... to treat them, like whatever, to treat them, like, okay, you're your own person; I'm not responsible for, you No. Yeah. Yeah. Like how are we talking about how friendship has pretty much become the state that it's in right now. And we always talk about it really originates from the family and how we treat each other in the family is, how we treat each other outside of the family.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like . i.e. with friends, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:38]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right. Well, yeah. We learn how to behave in relationships. Our first learnings come from </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">our family. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:44]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right. And yeah. Parenting parenting circles that do believe that you're not really responsible for your kids. Is that what you were trying to say? That is what I'm trying to say, but I feel like it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:58]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> was something I was responsible for teaching them, we're legally responsible, frankly, until they're 18, for sure.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But if you look at it, they are responsible for teaching us. They came in full ambassador. Do you remember? I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">mean,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:12]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, learning is always a two-way street.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:15]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right. The best teachers are your students and, and the worst teachers don't understand that. And they try to kick you out of the classroom. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Or they dictate, and they don't listen to you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> at all.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So going back to remembering our power; I just want to say, and just remind us how we do touch everyone's lives; that if you think, oh, this is happening on the other side of the planet, it doesn't really affect me. Guess again. Well, I know that you don't have to our friends listening, but it's like saying that, oh, I have a headache. Oh my stomach, oh, that's not really connected. It's your body.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> , I always find it interesting that, on a kind of a very negative note, but heartburn can refer to God knows what's going on in your body. It's usually not just heartburn. It's not usually, well, no, oftentimes it's not a transitory thing that you can just take a Tums and forget about.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:09]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> We often talk about unseen forces. Like when we had Rachel Chevalier and she talked about the lay of the land, lay lines in the ground and the how it's been scientifically proven for decades now, how they affect human biology. We talk about spiritual matters and thoughts and Akashic records, how there is history within everything within a rock with, with everything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And it, it does have value. It does have information and it does affect us. There are things that we can't see that are intricately powerfully woven inside this big system that is life and it all is operating at the same time. Am I saying it right. Do you understand what I'm saying? Sometimes you stare at the Matt, while I'm talking.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm like, am I just jibber, jabbering?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> What is he thinking?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Like, am I just not making any sense? Cause I know I can talk about something and go off on a tangent and then I'll hear myself again when I'm editing the podcast. I'm like what, what in the world was I saying? Is it like that?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">No, not at all babe. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So why are you quiet?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:19]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Because you're speaking truth. I'm just going to let you speak for goodness sake.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:23]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm done. This is supposed to be both of us talking. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:29]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I understand. I find it interesting. When you were talking about how we're electric or electrical or electric beings, and yes, we are, uh, the whole aspect of, you know, you can stimulate the heart using electricity.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You can stimulate muscles using electricity and they, they describe your nerves when your brain firing and like telling your fingers to move is electric </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:52]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> They describe the brain as wiring and firing together, your thoughts, right? Yeah. But I briefly mentioned Nikola Tesla, you know, when I taught yoga, all my yoga classes were based on everything, Nikola Tesla.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And he said he had the information that our bodies generate enough electricity to light the world. He is not just speaking metaphorically or like being all spiritual Yogi about it. He was a total science guy to the extreme. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> He developed so many things. He created so many inventions that were stolen, taken, you know, Edison was a chump, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Why are you making that face? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> (Edison) He did invent the light bulb </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:38]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> who was working with him? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:39]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> 10,000 experiments to get it right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:43]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Anyway, let's move on. Yes. Tesla was working with them until he, he ousted Tesla out. Right point once again, what did we do? The weird friend, the awkward friend, the one that doesn't fit in, are that usually the most genius.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:59]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> True. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Certainly the most unique and the ones we can learn the most from.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So what to do? Here's my suggestion. The world is, seems a certain way right now. I want you all to imagine and wish for what you would like the world to be. Now. It has to be one that is good for humanity; that is joyful. Just try, think of the most joyful, liberating, peaceful nourishing world possible. Make a wish for that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Make the kinds of wishes that would uplift the world. What are those wishes? And I want you to concentrate on that because that is powerful. That is change. That is you creating something. I mean, think about how one man can wreak so much havoc and make millions of people run for their lives. So you are one friend standing in the kitchen, doing dishes, doing the same thing, but the opposite, bringing joy and health and nourishment and love and safety and great beauty to world.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, we always say what you focus on grows. And another one of my favorite sayings is of course, whether you go looking for heaven or hell, you'll find it. So for goodness sake, look for heaven, focus on, put your attention on the good. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:14]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I think there's a great electric shock in the act of wishing. Ever since I can remember, if you could grab the phrase that I've said most often in my life it's "Make-A-Wish", I'm always screaming "Make a wish!" I'll see signs everywhere throughout the day. The oven will flash 11, 11, 3 33, 2 22, 1 11, 11, 11. You know, like things like that happen. And then they're just cues for me or, a, lady bug</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">could all of a sudden fly through the air, right on my head. That's a cue for me to make a wish. I think there's such charge in that. There's such power in that. So just make a wish. Make a Make-A-Wish you guys, you don't have to wait for your birthday. You don't have to wait for candles.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Just do it. You don't have to wait for the 11, 11 sign on the stove. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So let's make a wish for our friendlier happier, more compassionate world. Let's make a wish for a great family of friends that are better stronger together. Here we are. We're right here. Let's make it bigger. Keep making the wishes, hold that thought of utopia. And when I say that I kind of cringe myself like, Ugh.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know, like, I just feel like, um, it's made fun of so much to be so optimistic like that, especially in the midst of such hardship. So what, is it better to like be the other way around? No, I'm going to hold and I'm going to wish for what I think should be, until it actually is in existence. And I'm going to do other things as well.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm going to physically create things and make things better. I'm just saying, if you think about it, energetically, like electronically, um, what's the word for it? You know, being electric, there's great power in that. There's great power in our thoughts. There is great power within us and we absolutely can change the world.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And the outside world is just the same as our inner world! And probably in the next episode, you're going to hear someone say the absolute opposite. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:22]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And if wish is to, I don't know, come up with your word for it, flip it to prayer, flip it to maybe the language of your grandparents, because it's kind of the same, gosh, darn thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It doesn't matter. You know, much like love now, freaks people. Prayer freaks people out because religion has been so bad to people in some ways, in many ways. So we don't choose that word. Like when I was studying to become a yoga instructor, they were saying, don't use the word love because it triggers people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If you think about it. So many people have fallen in love and have been heartbroken. So when they hear the word love, it triggers them. So it may not be a happy word for them. It's a charged word. Right. But that can be reprogrammed. We can erase that and reprogram it. And isn't it funny? Like you haven't even said anything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I said, we are computer. Like it. I kind of sound like, uh, what's the other guy's name? The Tesla guy, but not my Tesla. The other Tesla that flies rockets in space. Now. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Elon Musk?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> He and his crew and like like-minded, people will say that life is actually a computer program. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:41]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. We're all trapped in the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">matrix.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:43]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Ugh. I don't want to sound like that. That's not what I'm saying, but it is interesting that we developed computers and we actually fashioned them after ourselves. We created them. We modeled them after ourselves. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Very simplified. Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:59]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right. The computer is a simplified version. Correct?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Computer is a very simple machine.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Is it well, to me, it's not, to me. I'm like, I don't </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">understand you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:07]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it's blazingly fast, but it's not intuitive. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:11]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But like, I think that most people treat the computer as it's stronger than humans. It's more powerful. It's smarter than humans, blah, blah, blah. You can like keep going down the list of how, in so many cases, it's more advanced than a human being, but it's really quite the opposite way around; that the computer is actually fashioned after what we are. We are magnetic galvanized, divine sparks, divine light that is able to interconnect and completely receive and send information out throughout unlimited space and time. No computer can do that yet that we know of. We are the most powerful beings, the most powerful everything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that's it. Do you have anything else to add? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:59]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Not a whisper. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:00]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So remember the world is a friendly place. It's a kind world, especially because you are in it and because of our friendship. We're better, stronger together! And remember, you're going to hear people say that you're not powerful, that you are not responsible for the outside world, that you can't really change anything, but yourself.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's not true. Remember that. And we'll talk to you in a few days. Thank you so much. We love you. Yes. To support our show, go to our website, https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/ there's a coffee button there https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace. Hey, you know what to do. We love you. Talk to you later. Be well, bang. Bye-bye.</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This is an URGENT message for today! Let's change what is happening right now!
The world is a safe place, you guys (I KNOW, I KNOW... lately it feels and looks like it's the end of days. It's scary), but there's more to it. The world is also a loving, friendly place. The world is a small town and everyone is your friend. And there are all kinds of friends, each one with various amounts of capacities and areas of focused abilities and ways about them.
In this episode, we provide a key to changing the world. We talk about how one man can create chaos and make millions of people experience terror. We talk about how one person also has the power to make everything GREAT! That one person is you. That one person is us. We talk about Nikola Tesla and remind each other of how truly powerful we are and how we can TOTALLY change the world in the midst of terrible things happening.
We've been doing different episodes, "The Quiet Friend", "The Weird Friend", all the different types of friends. Right. And they weave in and out in all directions. If you step away (or up) far away enough in your awareness of the world, you may notice how it's interwoven everything really is.
#Galvanized, #Electric, #powerful, #light, #spark, #change, #electromagnetic, #hotstuff, #ignition, #theworldisasafeplace, #akindworld, #afriendlyworld, #ourfriendlyworldwithfawnandmatt, #betterstrongertogetherTune in to this episode and also to a previous episode when you are done, and you can hear a great reminder from our friend Rachel Chevalier.
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[00:00:00] Fawn: Welcome back. Welcome back, everybody. 
[00:00:02] Matt: Hello!
[00:00:03] Fawn: Welcome to our friendly world. The world is a safe place, you guys, but there's more to it. The world is also a loving, friendly place. The world is a small town and everyone is your friend. And there are all kinds of friends, each one with various amounts of capacities and areas of focused abilities and ways about them.
We've been doing different episodes, "The Qui...]]>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>Step three! DON'T WAIT! A quick 15-minute talk on what to do to maintain a friendship.<br />Remember to go to <a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a> to let us know about your progress and support our show with a cup of coffee: <a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/support/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/support/</a></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hello, everybody. Welcome to our friendly world. Hello. Good morning. We haven't done this in a long time. Remember we used to actually introduce ourselves. Hello. Good morning. Good evening. Good afternoon. Good day. Good. Every day. I am Fawn </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:15]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Matt. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hello? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello. It's kind of strange. We're actually not recording from </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">our kitchen today.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:21]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Why didn't you have to say that? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I can tell the vibe is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> different, so maybe we should go back to the kitchen. So we're on the couch right now, because for some reason I have been so beyond tired and before we went into the kitchen to record, I was just joking. I'm like, let's just do it right here on the couch.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then I walk away for a few seconds and then, viola! . The setup is on the couch. And then you got mad at me when I said, no, you said, how, how am I supposed to know? You said the couch. So I set up the couch, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:52]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> you said the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">couch. You didn't say, ha, just joking. You didn't say no, no, no, seriously. Let's do it in the kitchen.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">No, you didn't say any of that. You said let's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">do it on the couch.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I was totally joking because I couldn't even think of how am I going to peel myself, peel my butt off the couch to go walk 16 feet over to the kitchen. Toddler table, but here we are. Can you...</span></span></p>]]>
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[00:00:00] Fawn: Hello, everybody. Welcome to our friendly world. Hello. Good morning. We haven't done this in a long time. Remember we used to actually introduce ourselves. Hello. Good morning. Good evening. Good afternoon. Good day. Good. Every day. I am Fawn 
[00:00:15] Matt: and 
Matt. 
[00:00:16] Fawn: Hello? 
[00:00:17] Matt: Hello. It's kind of strange. We're actually not recording from 
our kitchen today.
[00:00:21] Fawn: Why didn't you have to say that? 
[00:00:24] Matt: I can tell the vibe is 
[00:00:25] Fawn: different, so maybe we should go back to the kitchen. So we're on the couch right now, because for some reason I have been so beyond tired and before we went into the kitchen to record, I was just joking. I'm like, let's just do it right here on the couch.
And then I walk away for a few seconds and then, viola! . The setup is on the couch. And then you got mad at me when I said, no, you said, how, how am I supposed to know? You said the couch. So I set up the couch, 
[00:00:52] Matt: you said the 
couch. You didn't say, ha, just joking. You didn't say no, no, no, seriously. Let's do it in the kitchen.
No, you didn't say any of that. You said let's 
do it on the couch.
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                    <![CDATA[<p>Step three! DON'T WAIT! A quick 15-minute talk on what to do to maintain a friendship.<br />Remember to go to <a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a> to let us know about your progress and support our show with a cup of coffee: <a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/support/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/support/</a></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hello, everybody. Welcome to our friendly world. Hello. Good morning. We haven't done this in a long time. Remember we used to actually introduce ourselves. Hello. Good morning. Good evening. Good afternoon. Good day. Good. Every day. I am Fawn </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:15]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Matt. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hello? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Hello. It's kind of strange. We're actually not recording from </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">our kitchen today.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:21]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Why didn't you have to say that? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I can tell the vibe is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> different, so maybe we should go back to the kitchen. So we're on the couch right now, because for some reason I have been so beyond tired and before we went into the kitchen to record, I was just joking. I'm like, let's just do it right here on the couch.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then I walk away for a few seconds and then, viola! . The setup is on the couch. And then you got mad at me when I said, no, you said, how, how am I supposed to know? You said the couch. So I set up the couch, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:52]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> you said the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">couch. You didn't say, ha, just joking. You didn't say no, no, no, seriously. Let's do it in the kitchen.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">No, you didn't say any of that. You said let's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">do it on the couch.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I was totally joking because I couldn't even think of how am I going to peel myself, peel my butt off the couch to go walk 16 feet over to the kitchen. Toddler table, but here we are. Can you guys tell the difference? Hello, it's a different vibe.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I totally expected someone to say </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> actually, you know, you wear the headphones. I don't wear the headphones, so. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> All right, baby step number three. Are you guys ready?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">So tell them what happened today. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:32]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So I wake up frightfully early, but let's pretend I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> don't for a second. Rightfully is no joke guys. Like usually it's 3 30, 3 45 0 </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> 4, 4 15, 4 30 this morning. Thank you very much. You slept in. I slept in, yes. Okay. Anyway, so I got up at four 30 and you know, I do what I do anyways.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I was. And about, I was wandering around the house, like six </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> 20, by house, our little apartment.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:57]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes, yes, yes </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:58]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> that we rent. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:59]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yes. Anyways. I looked out our little, patio window, and I saw somebody. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And so you saw a spark, you, you recognize this spark out, outside, out there, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:11]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> like cool.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then I knew. They were actually wearing a mask, which is not something I typically see. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Nobody wears </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">masks around here, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and yet there they were. I hadn't seen them before, because of course I'd look out the window at people walking all the time. And I was like, oh my goodness, I should go. I should say something, but the kids are asleep.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Fawn's asleep. So </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I didn't.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> This was six 30 in the morning. It was like six 30 in the morning plus, and I said </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> six 30 in the morning. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:43]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Just do it. Don't wait. Don't wait. All right. And what did we have this conversation before or after the other one? Or I said, oh, so Emily was texting.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And we were going back and forth earlier, early in the morning. She was commenting on you and you kind of pouted and you said, no, we'll never pings me. And I said, well, and then I gave you a list of our friends that ping you through me through you, because you are not open with your phone number.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So everybody gives me messages to give to you. So I started to make a list of all these people, and then you shut up for a second, but only one respectfully. And then what happened? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">And then I said, you need to just reach out to people, just do it,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And then I said, but Groundhog </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">coming. I'll wait till then.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:36]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. Cause I said, why don't, for example, why don't you reach out to Mel? And you're like, I'll wait until the Groundhog day. Like for real, I'm like, are you serious? No. And you said, well, she didn't ping me back when I pinged her three times and I told you she had something going on in her life. And I told you what that was, that was a grief moment for her.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">You kept making excuses. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:59]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm saying I recognize that. And so I'm coming up with a low impact, excuse. But ultimately it sounds coming up with an excuse. Listen, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> listen, to me, it sounds like I'm totally beating up on you,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:11]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and you are,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:12]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm not, I'm just trying to tell our friends what happened and what led to this.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And it's a perfect example of all the excuses we make up it's a perfect example of how we make a whole bunch of tiny, valid excuses not to ping someone. Right. So step number three, friendly step baby. Step friendly. Step number three. Don't wait, just do it, just do it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So, oh, now you sound like the expert, like, oh yeah, just do as people. You just </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:43]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> do it, Matt. This is what you're here for. You're here to call me on my malarkey </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> malarkey. All right. So listen, what do we do to. Reach out and make a friend. Step number one was, I mean, you don't have to go in order, by the way, like I said, you can do any one of these things.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I just do do them all at some point. But the first one we talked about was when you see someone and you see that spark of that person, everyone has a particular spark about them. Call it out. I used to do it in Santa Monica. I would hang out the window and notice someone from a block away and yell at them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And, but it's a friendly yell. It's a no mistaking friendly yell, because if I were walking down the street in the neighborhood, we live in where I'm not where it's all white. And if someone was yelling at me, I would be scared. Because I'm ready for battle, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:48]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> honestly. No, no, no. And that's just a, particularly if you're walking in silence and the whole world is kind of the whole world here is certainly quiet at six 30 on a Sunday.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And it's not about that. It's about, it's just shocking. So you have to make sure it's like, remember when you made that phone call, when we were trying to get hard hardwood floors. We needed the hardwood floors to be put in before the rest of the house was being done. Right. And you had the task of calling a list of people and no one was available.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Then there was this one owner who said, look, I have so many jobs right now. And she was a. A small business owner and you said good for you, but you totally but see that was your way of communicating your computer programmer way of communicating, you know, hold on. Oh, Matt looks all offended right now.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Hold on a second. Sometimes when we're not used to talking with someone and you've been quiet in your own space for, let's say a few hours a day. When you suddenly have to speak with someone else it's awkward, you're awkward. It's natural. So sometimes some things come out of your mouth in a tone here, guys, here, here are most of our fights.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Matt, you have a tone and then you get all offended. What tone are you talking? You know, like we get over, we get into a fight over a tone. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> We're not the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">only ones folks. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:18]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It's a tone that pops out that could be so devastating to the other person. It could be insulting. So when you're yelling at this person, the happy yell, you have to make sure in no uncertain terms, it sounds loving.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">All right. So yeah, you, you have to be limber. So sometimes that is why I just go for it. And I say, I love you, even though I don't know the person. But I noticed that spark and I have a feeling, oh, this could be a situation where they get, they could get scared or offended because God knows what's going on in their mind.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Maybe they're thinking about all the ways that they've experienced injustice. And if you start yelling, they're not hearing your words, but they're, they're seeing some crazy guy from this window yelling at them. Do you know what I mean? Right. So you and no uncertain terms, they can hear. I love you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're fabulous. You know what I mean? It has to be like that. So that was step number one. Step number two was imitate that movie "Wings of Desire" where you are acting like an angel from the movie. What the angels from that movie do is they place all their focused energy on this one person and they place their hand on their shoulder and it changes that person's mindset and it changes their worldview for the better, and then they feel better and they move on.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That was friendly step number two. Today's step is just do it already. No excuses. Don't wait, send a text. The text could be for no reason, but once again, same as yelling at someone: I love you, thinking of you. You're fabulous. You're amazing. Have a beautiful everyday. Just pick something good, something sweet and short and sweet, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> short and sweet.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I think. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:20]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So you make it sound like you're the expert Matt, but do you do that?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:23]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I've been thinking </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">about that and yes, I, I haven't necessarily been as good as I've been in the past, but yes I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">do. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> We'll just do it. Cause you're thinking about it. Thinking is not doing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Don't overthink it., so this is Matt's tip Matt of Fawn and Matt's tip for you today and only mine.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Oh, it's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:44]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> you</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">so like, and it could be a text. It could be a phone call. Some people panic over phone calls, like on the other side. Right. Um, I realized someone was not a friend when I randomly called her and she yelled at me and I never called her again. And I realized as things went on, I watched her differently and I realized this person is a hating, person.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:15]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Gotcha. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So out off the list, leave much like the gaslighting situation when something doesn't feel right and you work and you work and, you know, just leave. Bye. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:28]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> There you go.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:29]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Next. You have things to do. All right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:31]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I mean, that's certainly falls right into that. Make sure somebody meets you in the middle. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:36]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So don't wait, just do it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Can you think of something else, Matt, besides a text, you can send her a phone call if it's possible. , I've been sending random gifts to people for no reason. Right? I used to do that all the time. When we didn't have kids and money, it wasn't, it was money was always an issue for me. But you know, like in the neighborhood I could always find something for 25 cents or something.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Do you know what I mean? And gift it to them. Or we would find something right. And randomly show up with a gift and run away. You don't always have to run away, but like, remember, remember back in the day I was getting tested, it was a long time ago. But I was getting tested for an orange belt in karate.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And some friends showed up outside the door and they brought everything, orange, orange juice, an orange flower they picked, do you know what I mean? It's stuff like that. So there you go. A negative wisdom from Santa Monica. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:39]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Gotcha. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:40]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Little gifts and it</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">doesn't have to require money, but that's another way to just do it. Don't wait, make a move and much like lending money to someone. Never expect to get it back. Otherwise it's going to cause you a whole bunch of grief. Do something where, you know, it's not going to put you out. I'm not going to lend this person $10,000.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Do you know what I mean? Right. Because right now that $10,000, there's no way it would, it would destroy my life right now. Do you know what I mean? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:14]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I, well, that's just it, I think I certainly centering around little </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:18]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> things, but I can lend someone a dollar ultimately </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:23]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> can mean big things for others. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right. Um, so there, can you think of any other examples of how you could.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Randomly without waiting just who each out. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:34]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, I mean, there's, emailing there's Facebook messaging, there's LinkedIn messaging. I mean, you know, every single platform seems to have a way to message, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:44]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> uh, text, phone call, ways to message someone. Right. All right. That will just put that under one category, sending a gift.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:52]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So I'm going to go next level today. Okay, cool. I'm going to send Mel the equivalent of a mixed tape. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh, she's not going to like it, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> but I'm going to be thoughtful about it. And we'll see what we </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">see. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You're going to push your music on her. Um, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:13]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it's it's. It's just a little taste and it's, it's, you know, a little taste of the simple stuff.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:20]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> How are you going to do that? How do you do that? Think I'm going to send her an audio file.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I think I'm </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">going to send an email that has links to YouTube videos. I think that's what I'm </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">going to do.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Nice, babe. Oh my God. Modern day version of mixed tape. Wow. I like it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Hmm. Okay. Well, that's it for today? What do you guys think? Let me know, let us know, reach out to us. Can you please reach out to us? Go to our friendly world podcast.com. I want to start a group like, like a zoom party and we can all get together and speak and talk and just be together.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Please? Go to contact. When you go to our friendly world podcast.com and while you're there, there is a, there's a little button on the website for a cup of coffee, to support us, to support our podcast, buy as a cup of coffee, please. That's it. Let's see. Anything else, babe?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:22]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Today's your day. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:24]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Every day is your day. Seize it. Don't wait. All right, we'll talk to you in just a few. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:29]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Be well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:30]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> love you guys. Bye bye-bye.</span></span></p>]]>
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[00:00:00] Fawn: Hello, everybody. Welcome to our friendly world. Hello. Good morning. We haven't done this in a long time. Remember we used to actually introduce ourselves. Hello. Good morning. Good evening. Good afternoon. Good day. Good. Every day. I am Fawn 
[00:00:15] Matt: and 
Matt. 
[00:00:16] Fawn: Hello? 
[00:00:17] Matt: Hello. It's kind of strange. We're actually not recording from 
our kitchen today.
[00:00:21] Fawn: Why didn't you have to say that? 
[00:00:24] Matt: I can tell the vibe is 
[00:00:25] Fawn: different, so maybe we should go back to the kitchen. So we're on the couch right now, because for some reason I have been so beyond tired and before we went into the kitchen to record, I was just joking. I'm like, let's just do it right here on the couch.
And then I walk away for a few seconds and then, viola! . The setup is on the couch. And then you got mad at me when I said, no, you said, how, how am I supposed to know? You said the couch. So I set up the couch, 
[00:00:52] Matt: you said the 
couch. You didn't say, ha, just joking. You didn't say no, no, no, seriously. Let's do it in the kitchen.
No, you didn't say any of that. You said let's 
do it on the couch.
[00:01:00] Fawn: I was totally joking because I couldn't even think of how am I going to peel myself, peel my butt off the couch to go walk 16 feet over to the kitchen. Toddler table, but here we are. Can you...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Gaslighting in America - That No-Good Friend with special guest Emily Powell Gilliam]]>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>This episode came about as our friend Emily was "Goodwill Hunting" and our conversation that began on Gaslighting in America. We laugh and we get scared and we ultimately feel empowered to live a good life, one in which we support each other and are mentally, physically, and socially healthy and good and we laugh again.</p>
<p>Join this conversation about gaslighting, existential guilt crisis, how to deal with gaslighting at work and with friends and family, and also poop emojis.</p>
<p>You will LOVE your new friend Emily Powell Gilliam!</p>
<p>Emily Powell Gilliam is a designer of play objects and founder of <em>Why &amp; Wiser</em>, creating artful games and gifts for clever kiddos and their grownups. <br /><br />To reach Emily:<br /><a href="http://www.epgdesign.co/">http://www.epgdesign.co/</a></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> I had lots of ways of dealing with her. And for four years that was enough. And then, you know, I S I just like, it wore me down and my own, like physical, well, mental first health, and then physical health, just like, you know, went over a cliff, like, and told that if I wanted to be considered for promotion, I needed to work on being softer, use shorter words, be less aggressive. And that I intimidated the owner basically like be more female. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:47]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> See that that's weird because , when you were describing it, I was like, oh my God, where are you coming across as, too passive?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that's why they didn't consider you for a manager because they didn't see you as a manager type, but they just saw you as a rabble rouser, and a troublemaker, but then why not just, can you, I mean, it's, it's a weird thing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> Well, if they </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">canned me, they would have to pay unemployement. and my twin, is far less straightforward as a person because I'm not, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:14]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> you're not a shrinking violet.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> I'm </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">not even a violet, I'm like a thistle</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">My husband was like, you can't, you can't stay there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">And then my therapist was like, you're literally doing physical damage to your body from the extended, stress of dealing with this </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> This is why it's important to have friends. Yes, because Emily, I never would have suspected that an...</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This episode came about as our friend Emily was "Goodwill Hunting" and our conversation that began on Gaslighting in America. We laugh and we get scared and we ultimately feel empowered to live a good life, one in which we support each other and are mentally, physically, and socially healthy and good and we laugh again.
Join this conversation about gaslighting, existential guilt crisis, how to deal with gaslighting at work and with friends and family, and also poop emojis.
You will LOVE your new friend Emily Powell Gilliam!
Emily Powell Gilliam is a designer of play objects and founder of Why & Wiser, creating artful games and gifts for clever kiddos and their grownups. To reach Emily:http://www.epgdesign.co/
http://www.whyandwiser.com/
https://www.instagram.com/epgdesignco/
 
 
 
 
 
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[00:00:00] Emily: I had lots of ways of dealing with her. And for four years that was enough. And then, you know, I S I just like, it wore me down and my own, like physical, well, mental first health, and then physical health, just like, you know, went over a cliff, like, and told that if I wanted to be considered for promotion, I needed to work on being softer, use shorter words, be less aggressive. And that I intimidated the owner basically like be more female. 
[00:00:47] Matt: See that that's weird because , when you were describing it, I was like, oh my God, where are you coming across as, too passive?
And that's why they didn't consider you for a manager because they didn't see you as a manager type, but they just saw you as a rabble rouser, and a troublemaker, but then why not just, can you, I mean, it's, it's a weird thing. 
[00:01:04] Emily: Well, if they 
canned me, they would have to pay unemployement. and my twin, is far less straightforward as a person because I'm not, 
[00:01:14] Matt: you're not a shrinking violet.
[00:01:16] Emily: I'm 
not even a violet, I'm like a thistle
 My husband was like, you can't, you can't stay there.
 And then my therapist was like, you're literally doing physical damage to your body from the extended, stress of dealing with this 
[00:01:35] Fawn: This is why it's important to have friends. Yes, because Emily, I never would have suspected that an...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>This episode came about as our friend Emily was "Goodwill Hunting" and our conversation that began on Gaslighting in America. We laugh and we get scared and we ultimately feel empowered to live a good life, one in which we support each other and are mentally, physically, and socially healthy and good and we laugh again.</p>
<p>Join this conversation about gaslighting, existential guilt crisis, how to deal with gaslighting at work and with friends and family, and also poop emojis.</p>
<p>You will LOVE your new friend Emily Powell Gilliam!</p>
<p>Emily Powell Gilliam is a designer of play objects and founder of <em>Why &amp; Wiser</em>, creating artful games and gifts for clever kiddos and their grownups. <br /><br />To reach Emily:<br /><a href="http://www.epgdesign.co/">http://www.epgdesign.co/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.whyandwiser.com/">http://www.whyandwiser.com/</a></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> I had lots of ways of dealing with her. And for four years that was enough. And then, you know, I S I just like, it wore me down and my own, like physical, well, mental first health, and then physical health, just like, you know, went over a cliff, like, and told that if I wanted to be considered for promotion, I needed to work on being softer, use shorter words, be less aggressive. And that I intimidated the owner basically like be more female. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:47]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> See that that's weird because , when you were describing it, I was like, oh my God, where are you coming across as, too passive?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that's why they didn't consider you for a manager because they didn't see you as a manager type, but they just saw you as a rabble rouser, and a troublemaker, but then why not just, can you, I mean, it's, it's a weird thing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> Well, if they </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">canned me, they would have to pay unemployement. and my twin, is far less straightforward as a person because I'm not, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:14]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> you're not a shrinking violet.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> I'm </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">not even a violet, I'm like a thistle</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">My husband was like, you can't, you can't stay there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">And then my therapist was like, you're literally doing physical damage to your body from the extended, stress of dealing with this </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> This is why it's important to have friends. Yes, because Emily, I never would have suspected that anyone would treat you like that because you were so sharp and a bright light at the same time. To me, you encompass, you embody all of the beautiful traits. You're lovely to be around. You're funny. You're very sharp. You're very smart. You're very witty. I, a </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:03]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> lot of people are threatened by that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:06]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, very much are threatened. Traditional gender roles still exist. It's, it's, it's a little frightening.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Um, and you know what, I'll be honest. I go through my own cavortations about it, you know, I'm currently, um, Not boss because we're not technically on the same level, their pronouns. Are they in them, bud? You, if I don't screw it up all the time. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. And he's lucky we're all in the same room together. So the kids are always yelling at him as soon and they're doing their work.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So it's so weird how they can using it now. So, but like as soon as Matt starts saying sh for she, they were like, Hey, and we're all now screaming at him. Um, Nope. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:47]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Fortunately they're very cool. I've had many conversations with them and I have apologized profusely on every single occasion and they're like, I get it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Okay. We're still fine, but still, it still bothers me. But again, traditional gender roles. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's confusing for people and people want things to be simple. So, you know, let's put the, let's put the girl in her place. Let's, you know, let's promote black </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> or white, no grays. And </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:18]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> there you go.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:20]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> Now, did your manager transition in the time that you knew them or were they </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:25]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> always, I just started and this is all first person I've worked with closely who is a they them. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:33]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> Okay. So it's just like, it's almost like muscle memory </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:36]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and I run and here's the, here's the real problem that I have personally, and this is just me, but the, they and them are plurals.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:43]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> That's no longer </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:44]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> true. I know, but that's how, and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:48]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> we're going to sound like old people, but that's how I grew up. That's how I was taught. Somebody </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> explained it to me this way. And I found it to be powerfully persuasive in, in terms of grammar. So if you were, if I was telling you the story about my manager, right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And you didn't know if the manager was a, a male or a female, how would you refer to them? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Bravo. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:20]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> True. Uh, I probably keep saying the manager, the manager, the manager I'd be pathological that way. And I, it, in the context of one story, I can do it in the context of casual conversation. I can't, that's the that's the switch, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> but I'm just saying grammatically, it is correct to refer to an unknown gender person as they then, like, I didn't know what they said.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:45]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And I get the fact that that's the rule </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> now. And all you have to do is extrapolate that this person also doesn't know what gender they like. Obviously they know that they are not a gender. To me, it's the same concept. That made a lot of sense to </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:00]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> me when I heard it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It totally makes a lot of sense. I love that. And yeah. In terms of the grammar, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:05]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> it doesn't mean that the muscle memory habits, aren't still it's like we were talking about speaking a foreign language when your tongue is like out of shape, like </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:15]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> yeah. Let's, let's remind people what we're talking about. So Emily and I were talking about speaking, different languages, pronouncing things a certain way.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. Emily, and then. And you, and I talk about this all the time. Like when I'm trying to tell you how to pronounce something in Farsi, your tongue, is used to exercising a certain way. It's like being at the gym, you know, if you're like a ballet person or let's say you're a muscle builder, and then you take a full-on ballet class.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. You know how to technically do a, plie, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:50]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> something like that to do </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:52]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> it, but you can't and you think you're about to do it, but there's no way you're going to look like the ballerina that does the plie when you're, I don't know, 1800 pounds of pure muscle, right? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:05]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, yeah, no, no, no. That's why like out in the world, their distance runners and speed runners, your bodies are different and, cyclists have their own body triathletes have their own, like, you know, custom bodies that work best.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's pretty. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:20]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Crazy. It works the same way with the tongue. So you have to really get limber to speak a different language, depending on the language you use different parts of your tongue. Right. And Emily described it perfectly, like, what were you saying?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You were saying the thing about a push-up oh yeah. Like </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:36]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> I know what a push-up looks like in theory, when I go to it, don't </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">look like that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:46]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But also going back, I was trying to say, Emily, thank you for sharing your story because I look to you with, so much admiration. So for you to tell that story about what happened at work.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I feel less alone because the same exact stuff happened to me once again. Sorry guys to bore you. But it happened to me in yoga total. Like, you know, I always walked in with a respect, especially because of my martial arts background. Um, I even took my martial arts background in like the respectful manner into the yoga studio where, when I walked into the studio, I always bowed, like it was the, the martial arts studio.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. You know, like you would never enter the room with your shoes and without bowing with </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:41]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> respect, don't disrespect, the mat ever, right. That's not the mat me, but the mat </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:48]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> on the floor. So I would balance everything. What I'm trying to say is I all. Carried myself with, with that sense of, I am honoring everyone, even though when I got home, most days I was in tears because of the way these people treated me and I was studying to become a yoga instructor.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So going through many hours of training and the head of the school and all her cronies were so awful. And, you know, they were all definitely. Can I just say Caucasian? Can I say that Emily, they were all white and you know, we're in a small town in Colorado and they think because they do yoga or they studied yoga in their own American capitalist way that they are so enlightened.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I tried so hard to have them understand my perspective, the things that they were saying, even behind my back, that I could hear, you know, they thought I left the room and they would say the most messed up stuff. Once I started to express what was going on, from my perspective saying, I don't feel supported because of a, B and C.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Can you please help me because, and to put myself even lower in that, putting myself in that lower position so that they don't feel uncomfortable or threatened, thank you, or threatened. Um, and I only did this because I mean, my, one of my best friends, Holly, who doesn't even live here, I would talk to her and she'd be like, that's where the first time I really heard gaslighting was like, she's like, they're gaslighting you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I really didn't know what it meant. I got the gist of it. Like what it meant, but I really didn't know for real those specifics and the dynamics of gaslighting, I just said, okay. Yeah. So she's like, just go tell them that this is not a supportive atmosphere and that you'd like to have, you know, try to fix it, like try to work on it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And as soon as I did, Matt was saying, honey, when you go in there ex expect, no, uh, what's the word you always use expect no </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:04]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> satisfaction </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> satisfaction, because no matter what you say, you're not going to be satisfied with what they come back at you with. Okay. And I'm like, okay, I can handle that. So I was, I went in armed with that and sure enough, even though I went in with that knowledge of that satisfaction. I still felt so blown away by the ignorance. And I guess by the gas lighting, because as soon as I said it, I was met with exactly what you said, Matt, total denial, complete denial. What do you mean? No. I'm like, and they were like, and then she's like, but everybody loves you. I'm like, no, obviously everyone doesn't love me because of a, B and Z.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And she's like, no, you're imagining it. It's all in your head. And then, and Emily knows more of the story actually, because I mean, it was, it was a few years of this. Right. And then she said immediately, without skipping a beat, she had that face on her like, oh, you know, you're making this way more than it is.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's not really, you're imagining it. And in a split second her face changed. And she's like, yeah, They've been complaining about you too, you know, mind you, I was not complaining about anybody. I did not name any names. I didn't even say people. I just said this, I'm feeling this atmosphere of, disrespect</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and she's like, you know, they have been complaining about you too, and let's face it. You don't have the easiest personality. You're very threatening. I'm like what? Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:49]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it's because you're 12 feet tall and you've got, you know, 1800 pounds of muscle on you. I mean, you're physically, your physical presence is scary, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:57]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> kidding.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Oh my God. I'm like the shortest person you'll ever meet probably </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:02]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> kindest eyes</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> do I have kind eyes? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:04]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You have kind eyes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:06]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Thanks babe. But </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:07]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> you know, I mean, I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">had different, but similar experiences where, I'd be in a management staff meeting and the owner who's male would be going through things that didn't go right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And processes to improve them going forward. One time I asked literally for clarification on the improvement, because it was the same process that we said we would do the year before to improve, but then come deadline time, we fell back into old habits.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Which is understandable. But I just wanted to understand what the real difference was between that suggested improvement and the current way, because there was no difference really. and the owner got all red in the face and in front of all the managers yelled at me and told me to stop my bit C H ing, and just do my job.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I just remember thinking I could not picture him doing that to a male colleague in front of everybody. Like maybe he would be, you know, upset in the closed door meeting with a male colleague, but to also humiliate me at a table of management. I mean, I just felt fundamentally that it had a lot to do with being female; the way that he couched it, like, uh, That word is used as a female thing, like, like complaining, , but like aggressive. Right? and I just, yeah, I, I totally appreciate where our friend Coy was coming from in saying like, how do you deal with these things when you have no choice? Because it was my job! I needed it, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like, and I job hunted for two or three years. I, I applied to stuff, but that's only so much under your control to be able to just walk away. I mean, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> exactly to leave that job or able to abuse you because they have that upper handed.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:30]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> And it's the same in domestic situation. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">It's not so simple as "run" for everyone.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">it's complex too, but there does come a day where you've crossed the threshold into your life, like your ability to live and for how long. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:49]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I mean, we spend more time at work than we do in our private lives. Even at home now we spend more time at work than we do at home.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We spend more time </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:58]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> working, I think, than ever </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:59]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> before </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">that's what I'm trying to say. Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> So with our, whoever we live with </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:06]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> ourselves, so now they've merged. This is why I'm always saying that's why we need to remember the art of friendship. Because when we are together, you have more support on all levels in life.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Your friend can say, "F that job come live with me," if you have to. Or "we're going to figure this thing out together, I'm going to help you or you're not alone."</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">so our friend coy was supposed to join us today and she can't. So what we're going to do is do a part two because Coy comes at the whole gaslighting thing in a completely different way than we all do, because like we were saying, when things like this happen, we're just out, we will disappear from your lives.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You'll never see us again. Like the other day I was saying, Emily texted me a line vector, which is like a drawing for a graphic artists. So Emily sends me the greatest texts ever. We are rolling with laughter every time the phone dings Elle and Allegra will run to see what Emily has offered us today.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so one of the things she texted was, an image of a hand. And I guess it was an ad for soap, but nowadays that kind of swirly thing </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:27]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> almost looks like soft serve ice cream </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:31]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> now is considered the poop emoji </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:33]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, it's gotta have the little face and smiley. But </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">yes,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:36]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but it's just like the</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">drawing of the poop emoji on someone's hand with stars around it, like all magical, like totally magical and sparkly. And so it's like that. It's like, you don't know what someone is offering you. It could go either way. So always be suspicious in a way, it could be one or the other. You have to be discriminating; like, what is this that this person is saying is soap. Is it really soap or is it the other thing? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:06]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> Is it sparkly, poop, emoji?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:08]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> There's a term that says don't pee on me and tell me it's raining. Isn't, there's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:12]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> some, there's, there's actually a song where they're like, don't say it's raining when you're pissing down my back. Stop giving me a heart attack.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I am. But anyways, so you guys </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> heavy </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:23]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> metals.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Welcome to our show. Everybody. Welcome to our friendly world. As we're speaking about gaslighting, uh, guys, welcome to our friendly world. Everyone. We are here with our friend, Emily. I really want to introduce you to Emily. I want to respectfully introduce you to our friend, Emily, Emily Powel Gilliam</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">she, hi. Yeah. So truth be told. This is our second time recording the show. We did the show; like we had it all prepared. We talked for three and a half hours, three and a half hours. Well, some of us talked, Matt. It's hard to get a word in edgewise. Okay guys. Here's what happened. The reason why we are redoing this show and we'll concentrate on how to work with these people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I think I love that this hour, let's just do how we do. Okay. Like how we notice what gas lighting is and we'll get into the specifics of it. And how to actually maneuver </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:28]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Nice. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:29]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> There are some people that you just simply cannot get out of your lives.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Like a family member. I'm like, well, I had to, I went through many therapists. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:38]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Some people don't have the emotional distancing techniques that we've got, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:42]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but there's some amazing techniques that is needed in the world today </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:47]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> There are certainly some people that you can't, get out of your life or can't get out of your life right now.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And you certainly need to deal with what's in your face. Uh, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> so I, oh, sorry. Let me just, let me just tell our friends out there. I want you to know that if you do want to get ahold of Emily, if you want to find out more about Emily and you should, because she is, the people, I would say most people, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We had one person that was so awful on our show, but the people that we have on our show are all our friends. And I want you to also be friends with them and them to be friends with you and they being friends with you. My grammar sometimes, I don't know. No, no. I'm talking about PR. I know, like I still, even though I have taught our kids well and they know how to do it, I still get confused after I teach it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Is it whom, who, who, I don't know. Whom who, who, who, anyway, what I'm trying to say is Emily, if you want to contact Emily, all her information is on our website, our friendly world podcast.com. In the search bar, put in her name and you'll get all her information. Or, the direct links are right in the show notes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Emily Powel Gilliam is an amazing artist. She's a writer illustrator. To be friends with Emily, Emily is a type of person that in life has such a piercing Vision. She has the mind of the top comedians in the world, the really talented comedians in the world, because they are the ones who quietly notice every little detail that most people skim over, or don't even recognize.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There are people who can stop and smell the roses. There are people who can see something beautiful. Emily does that, but on a hyper level where she can notice everything from the absurdities to the beautiful things and point them out to you and, you know, life gets really busy and we go through. It's so easy to skip over things and not notice something that could be glaring at you, but you're obviously oblivious to it because you're so stuck in something. Emily</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">finds those things. And it's so important to just, how do I say this? Cause I don't want to sound like a one or two friends as far as the Nicomachean ethics of friendship, because I love Emily for Emily. I'm not saying I'm friends with Emily because she does this, but I just want to highlight our friend's amazing gifts. And one of the gifts that Emily has that we can all learn from is the ability to spot things in life. It could be in conversation; she'll spot speech, words that are said that you will skip over.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Um, does that make sense? Do you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:48]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> absolutely do case in point for me personally, at least I started really thinking about when people say it's the least I could do. Hmm. That's a terrible thing to say, just in general, just blow your mind for just a second. So I'm going to do this because it's the least I can do for you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know? Like literally, like that's like a bare minimum. That's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> terrible. That's terrible. Maybe like, no offense. I'm about to offend you like exist. I could do, because I didn't want to do more. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:19]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. Right. And I, I, you know, if I did less than what I'd look like a bad person. Right. So it's all about me. Yo, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:28]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> apple friends.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:29]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Let me get back to Emily for a second.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I want you all to become friends. I feel like our show is kind of like a cocktail party without the cocktails. Maybe. I mean, you could be, anyone could be drinking anything, but we're, you know, usually here with tea and coffee, but do you know what I mean, coffeetale. People have their podcasts and it's this interview format, whereas ours, it's literally at our kitchen table.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like you will hear the sink running, you will hear the oven sometimes. The kids will come in and you hear the banging of pots and plates and everything. What this is, is imagine you're at a party. I'm here with standing with Matt, sitting with Matt and we're talking to Emily and then you come along, you know, and I'm like, hi, I want to introduce you to Emily, Emily.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">This is you out there listening. That's that's our show. It's up to you to continue the friendship. I'm not here to interview Emily. I'm not here to talk about what someone does for a living, because I hate that I, a person as a human being, they're not their job. So as soon as you meet someone, they're like, hi, this is Emily she's PhD.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Uh, she is a doctor of such-and-such. Why, why the resume? But having said that, I just, I do want to say check out Emily's work. She's an amazing designer. I'm just going to say it. Okay. So having said what I just said, I, I do here's the resume. I know, but I do want you to.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I want you to get to know Emily better, and you're going to get to know her more on our show, but I just want to say Emily Powell Gilliam is a designer of play objects and founder of Why and Wiser. Can you do that thing again? What you did with Why and Wiser? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> Oh yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So, uh, the idea behind naming my company was I just love the way that children are always asking why.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then the wiser comes from embracing the continual path toward more wisdom. That's a very Socratic wiser </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:49]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> yesterday. You said, uh, you said ask why and you become wiser.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> Yeah, that's true. Okay. Sorry. No, you have nothing to apologize for. Nodo I just love that. Stop it. I love you have nothing to be sorry for </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and ask why and get wiser.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That is good. Short and sweet. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:09]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That's another thing Emily taught me was, you know, I'm trying so hard every day to tell Elle and Allegra stop apologizing because as women, we constantly apologize for everything and I don't want them to grow up like that. So every time they say, I'm sorry, I'm like, no. And then Emily said, next time, just say you have nothing to apologize for.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I tried that Emily, and it totally shifted everything immediately. I could tell that it worked just looking at their physical presence. It shifted everything. They're like, oh, they felt lighter. You have nothing to apologize for. So Why and wiser, you create artful games and gifts for clever kiddos.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You have such you're like the child whisper is Emily told me stories about when she was a kid in the neighborhood. Am I saying this right? Is it okay for me to tell our friends your story? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:07]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> Absolutely. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but so you'd be in the neighborhood and there all these kids around and all of a sudden the parents disappeared and you're totally babysitting all these kids.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:18]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Like it would happen all the time. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:21]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You're the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> responsible one. No, she's the fun. She's the whisper. I think she is, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:27]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> yes. I am highly responsible. And, but also. I have just so as a child, I always related to adults. Ironically, my father would tell me that I was born to be an adult, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">as the more I grow into adulthood, the more I really just relate to children.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They're brutally honest. They're always like filled with wonder and observation. They are so good at processing with imagination and a humor. And I just, um, I don't know, they're like my forever peers. But when you approach children from that place, they feel it just like anybody does; that</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">you're treating them as a respected peer, that we gravitate toward each other, like two objects. We just one of us falls into orbit. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:27]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Matt and I always talk about people, are we, usually we say stuck, but stuck is the wrong word in this conversation. But we always notice how, no matter how old someone is that they are a particular age.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And usually we use the term stuck because I think when some trauma happens or some embarrassment, which is still a trauma, right. When that happens, that person freezes in time, it seems like until they clear it up. And in most cases they don't, they are frozen at that particular moment as time goes on. So they could be 40, 50, 60, 70, but they're stuck at age 11.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Do you know what I mean? But stuck is not the right word for us here. I'm going to say, what age do you operate in? What perspective of age do you operate with? , Matt is prepared, actually. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:28:20]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I always say I'm eight years old, but in point of fact, I try and cultivate a Zen mind beginner's mind, and I try and see, try and see things fresh all the time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That helps me in my career. That helps me with people in general. I have this deep seated belief that everybody has at least one utterly fascinating story or hobby or something. And sometimes I think it's my job to tease that out of them because I love finding these things. even the most stodgy person is passionate about something and it could be the most ridiculous or the most awesome thing, but they're so passionate about it,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">they'll infect you with it maybe for a minute or maybe for a lifetime. You just don't know. People are amazing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So would you say you're at age four and five Emily? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:05]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> Yes, my in, I always refer to my inner four year. Yeah. Um, I also often referred to my inner 80 year old. So </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:14]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> it depends on the situation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yeah, no know, it's interesting as a photographer, this is something I always noticed. This is how I see people, no matter what culture they're from, what country they're from, no matter what skin tone they have, I feel like babies, you know, children, young, young children and people that are, I don't want to say at the end of their lives, that's totally wrong.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But people that are way, way older that have been on the planet, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> amassed </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">more life experience. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:50]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Thank you. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That they are almost on the same level; that they start transcending any kind of, you know, like we expect someone to look a certain way.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If they are certain culture, you expect them to look this way. Like even a skin pigmentation, like everyone starts to look like a baby again. And babies start looking like old people when they're born. You know what I mean? Like there's some common thread right there where visually and spiritually, they are on the same level in a way </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:27]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> that is so interesting.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:29]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I don't know if I'm explaining that right. You understand what I'm saying? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:33]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> I picked up what you were putting </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">down.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:36]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So like, when I look at, when I photographed some really, um, I don't want to say old people. I don't, you're the words, man. And what I will have photographs and elder, let's say in a village walking around and they have a lot of wrinkles on them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know, they look like a baby to me. Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:59]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And, you know, there's that famous saying that all babies look like Winston Churchill. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Exactly. Yeah. So, okay. But again, so I just want to point out your websites. You have to there's one https://www.epgdesign.co and https://www.whyandwiser.com/ to find more of the beauty of Emily and what she does in the world,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">go there. Again, you'll see her in our show notes, all the links and everything. So let's get back to it. The reason why we're doing this episode is because of Emily. Emily spotted something. And once again, she texted me. So the reason why this episode comes to us today is because Emily went to Goodwill, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Emily, it was Goodwill, right? Yes. Emily goes to Goodwill, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> I was Goodwill hunting. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:57]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You are so ready. See what I'm talking about. I love that. So Goodwill hunting for those of you and other countries, you know, um, is a famous movie that Matt Damon. And what's his name? Robin Williams. Robin Williams. Robin. No, but the other one, not Robin Williams.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Of course. Robin Williams. Ben Affleck. Thank you, Ben Affleck. It was the first movie that he did. Was it the first movie they did, but they won an Oscar, right? So a famous movie, Goodwill hunting. So Emily was Goodwill hunting and I got a text from Emily. I look at it and I say to myself, oh oh!, This is about to get serious.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">It's a picture of a book that she just found and it's the binder. And it says Gaslighting in America. Wow. It's yeah. And it was an old book. And then she's like, look at this and she sends me another text, another picture. And it's the inside. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Emily, can you please describe what happened? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> Yes. When I opened the book, because the cover just was similar to the binding, it just had the title. And when I opened the book, it was not what I expected. It was a historic preservation book about actual lights fueled by gas in America. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:33:22]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And we started laughing over here. And we started to really get into this whole thing of gaslighting.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And like I said before, I really didn't know what it meant truly. So we dove in deep we went into DBF. We went in and I started to look for what is going on after our second conversation about the gas lighting. And you, once again, this is why it's so good to have friends.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Emily pointed out to me that first of all, she didn't even realize that we're so into etymology here, but she's like, do you know the, where, where it comes from? Do you know the term, gaslighting comes from this, it was a play. I'm like what?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So there's no Greek, there's no Latin folks. It is this play that was done in 1938 </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:17]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and later done as a movie,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> twice. It was done in 1940 originally. And then there was another one in 1944 with Ingrid Bergman </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:26]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> who won an Oscar for that, her role. See, I saw the first movie after Emily, after Emily told me about the play.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I started to try to look for as much information as I could about it. So I got into the play and then, I found a movie and the one I found was the first movie. The plate is set in 1880. The movie was done in 1940 and the play was done in 1938. And so it was just, it was fascinating to the more I started reading.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The better I could understand it all. And then we ended up having a three and a half hour talk about this on our podcast. Emily and I got so excited that Matt couldn't even say a word,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:16]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> not unlike today, but</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:18]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> , so as I was editing it, I was almost done editing the whole show three and a half hours guys, three and a half hours of excited talking and, you know, going from point a to point Z and like, boop, boop, boop, like going everywhere.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Matt is making fun because throughout this whole time stop it Matt, Matt said three things and it was, (fawn makes a ehhm sound) that's all he said. He said "ehHmm"</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:45]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> three times, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:46]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> three times in three and a half hours. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> Oh my </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">gosh.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:52]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Let's let's let's come to it. Shall we? Well, uh, go ahead. Okay. So gaslighting, have you ever in your life ever told a blatant lie, denied somebody attacked somebody's fundamentals.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Tell, a person or people around that person that this person's crazy. Have you ever been someone's sole source of truth ever? You may have Gaslighted somebody's. Well, welcome to guess what I'm guilty probably of doing every single one of those things at one point or another. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Now let's stop? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:25]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Does that make me a gas lighter?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Hold on, hold on. Because we've already talked about it for like a million hours. Let me just start from the beginning. Let's just start from the beginning. All right. Let me get into it. And we're, we're all take turns talking this time. Okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Matt, were you practicing </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:41]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> that in the mirror?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:45]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> No, no, I got a whole bunch of other points here too. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:49]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, we ha oh my goodness. I'm so proud of you guys. Well, what happened was when we, when our episode ended, when we started, when we stopped recording the house was so weird and I just felt like a miserable person. I'm like, oh my God, I just totally steamrolled Matt.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">And then he's thinking I'm probably steamrolling you guys. And everyone felt like a miserable human being, because I'm telling you, when I watched the movie, I felt like a miserable human </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">being. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:24]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> No doubt felt very </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">dirty.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I felt dirty. I told, I texted Emily. I'm like, I have to take a shower. I feel gross.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">You described it perfectly. Remember Emily, what did he say about, we were like, Matt, what's wrong? How come you didn'ttalk? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yeah. He </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:40]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> was saying </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">that feeling of when you're a kid in a classroom and the teacher is reprimanding another student, , and you had nothing to do with the object of like guilt, but you still feel permeated by that same feeling like empathetically vibing off that guilt and then questioning like every action you did that day, like, and it was such an accurate ...I...</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Everyone can relate to some form of that. I think of getting in trouble, vicariously through somebody else. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:19]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, or somebody gets caught for doing something that you had done 10 seconds before. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:23]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yes. You just feel guilty. Like the guilt is, is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:28]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> it's existential guilt crisis. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yes. Thank you, Emily. Yeah, totally.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">So we're going to redo it. Okay. Let me just, we'll start from the beginning. All right. Let's go back to the meaning of gaslighting. And I took notes from various different sources, mostly, uh, therapists, psychologists, and everything. Let's get into it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So gas lighting is manipulation and deception. It's a verb: to gas light. It's a form of psychological manipulation where a person seeks to make their targeted individual or group, question their own memory, perception, and sanity. So in this movie, the gas light. can you, Emily, describe to our friends out there, the way you described it to me, what the play was.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">With the way you described it to me was the guy that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> just to be clear, I I've never watched it. I just read the Wikipedia entry. So thank you, Wikipedia. But the general premise of it is that, a husband and wife, the man is actually physically changing the state of the Gaslight in their home.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then when the woman perceives and comments on that change, he maintains that there is no change. And basically does that to the point where she can't believe her own senses, and starts to believe that she's crazy, which is what his goal is; to make her feel crazy and take her money.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right. And in the first movie, here's what happens and it lays out perfectly what gaslighting is. And one of the things that I've been trying to get across to people for many, many years without bringing in the whole term of gaslighting is look, we're all isolated. And I'm not talking about the isolation that's occurred because of the worldwide pandemic.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I've been saying for two decades now that there is a loneliness epidemic happening, especially in the United States. That if you really are honest, how many people out of the entire population in our society, in the United States, most people don't have friends. Yeah, sure. You may have thousands of people on Facebook following you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You could have, I don't know, thousands of people following you on Instagram or whatever platform you're on, where you feel like you have friends, people that listen to you and maybe are supporting you. But truly if you think about it, when stuff happens, who is there, that you can walk with, that you can have an actual meal with, that you can have supporting you when you're going through something rough .</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And they don't have to be right there with you in the room. Just a simple. Like you can reach them by telephone and you can hear their voice. who has that? And why is it? The last 20 years, think about all the popular movies and TV shows that people have turned to.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And why is that? Years ago there was Sex and the City and it really wasn't about the sex. It was about living vicariously through this friendship that existed. They went to brunch on the weekends. They shopped together, they support each other with the ins and outs of different relationships that they were in.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know what I mean? They were there for each other. Like, let's takeBig Bang Theory as another example. They always ate dinner together. They went to work together. They helped each other out. They were involved in each other's lives. When Howard's mother passed away, they were all there. When someone went to the hospital, they were all there together.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Can we say that? It's a brutal truth that we have to face. Most of us unfortunately face it when we really need someone. And there's no one there, but I guarantee you. What I learned was there is someone there, there are. I'm not getting religious here, but it's like, there are angels everywhere. A friend will always be there for you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You may not know them, but there is someone always there to help you. We are deeply interconnected. You're never really alone. Having said that though, we need to get back the art of friendship and remember how important it is to come together like that get off of the whole lie of social media and everything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So back to isolation, I have seen, and I've noticed this as a photographer because I went from country to country and would come back to the United States and I would notice, oh my God, look at how we as Americans treat each other. And it starts with the family. As soon as a child is born, boom, they get put into daycare. Someone reaches a certain age, boom. They get put into daycare or at home, right. We separate each other. When the kids are born, they go off to school. We come back and nowadays, like we don't even have meals together. Well, aside from the pandemic, because we were forced to, right, but like there's such an, a state of isolation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You could even be in the room and the isolation that has permeated everything that you could still be in a room together, but you're still not there. You're not fully present. I've seen this, you know, being lucky enough to become a mom. I would see it on the playground. I would see it everywhere.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like parents are not present. Their children are screaming for attention. And the parent is not aware. The child is like, look at me, look at me, look at me. You know what I mean? Not present and that isolation is fertile ground for gaslighting and yeah, you're right, Matt. Like Emily, Emily and I yesterday were like so excited and it was such a healing time for us to talk about all the ways that gaslighting exists in our society.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that we kind of like muffled you because I feel like we did because we, it was all from our perspective. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:10]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And I was, I was having my own internal conversations. For me, gaslighting is about what's your end game. That to me is more a case of really having a clear understanding if somebody is gaslighting or not.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Cause people fall prey to so many of the different things that happen inside because, you know, man is a social animal. We seek to manipulate our environment. And if our environment is other people we seek to manipulate it, it's a question of what are we, what's our end game. What are we really trying to do?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Are we trying to dominate people or are we trying to discover and have discourse with people? You know, people disagree. So </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:48]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I just realized I'm talking too much and I really, I want to hear everything. You have to say, Matt and Emily, I want you to say everything you want to say. I'm just going to finish the definition of it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then we're going to, we're going to roll. Okay. Promise </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> the low edit episode today. , but we didn't account for Fawn. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:11]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So here, I, I do have a gift for the gab, but here we go. I'll try to make a quick, I just want to get just, I want to get to the different states of gaslighting. So now we know where it comes from.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It really comes from this movie. The etymology of gaslighting play comes from I'm so sorry. Yes. The play comes from the play. And when I saw the movie, the first one I realized that,, it was showing us that through isolation, this man isolated his wife from all her friends and her family, they moved to London where she knew no one.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And he started to tell her that she was doing things that she was not doing. So he would move frames from the wall. They were having a nice time together dancing, and he was promising her dinner and going out to dance and everything. And then all of a sudden he would look at the wall and go, oh, and then the, the woman would say, oh no, no, no, please, no, I didn't do it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I didn't do it. And he'd say, you did it again. You are stealing the art from the wall. You did it again. She was like, I didn't do it. I didn't do it. He had her believing that she was doing all these things. when in fact he was doing it and he was trying to drive her insane. He was stealing from her and it turns, I don't want to give this story away.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's really a very dark thriller. And I don't want to give too much away, but through isolation he was able to achieve, almost achieve her, completely losing her mind. So this is what gaslighters do. They sew seeds of doubt in the minds of their victims using denial, lies, misdirection and misinformation in personal relationships or domestic settings, they will often belittle, the emotions and achievements of the person</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">they are gaslighting. As a result, the victim's self-esteem will often suffer and they will be less likely to trust their own judgment. Instead, victims will often turn to the perpetrators as a source of truth. Many gaslighters are skilled liars and are easily able to fool or manipulate not only their victim, but outside parties.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Power is often a factor, which is like, when we're talking about jobs that the job place like, God, how do you get away from that? So, anyway, power is often a factor in the relationship between gas lighters and their victims with the gas lighter, usually being in a greater position of authority. And existing power imbalance often means the victim is more likely to believe in the truth and importance of what the perpetrators says.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">We find gas lighting in politics. It's everywhere. There's so much to talk about. And I also want to talk about motivation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">They're motivated to do this. Gaslighting is a way to control the moment, stop conflict, ease, anxiety, and feel in control. However it often deflects responsibility and tears down the other person. Some may gaslight their partners by denying events, including personal violence.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Um, and it's also, it's a learned behavior. It's probably passed down from generation to generation, which is why it's often hard to spot some aspects of gaslighting or notice that maybe you are doing it because it's how, it's the only way you've seen the world. It's how you were raised.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">And it, you know, since it is out in politics, I mean, especially in the United States right now, it's everywhere. I just want to point out that it's really hard to, to extricate oneself from a gaslighter power dynamic. And that's why we wanted to talk with coy. And when we do the other episode with Coy, we're just going to focus mainly on how do we deal with this?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">How do we deal with it especially when we're in a position where we can't leave the job or you can't leave a certain family, even though they're all gas lighters, like how can you in a healthy way still live with this, if you're surrounded by it and you feel like you can't get out, Coy has the answers there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So tune in for that episode coming up soon. Those who gas light most often attain greater emotional awareness and self regulation. Those being gaslighted must learn that they don't need others to validate their reality and they need to gain self-reliance and confidence in defining their own reality. And again, my belief is, that's why it's so important more than ever before, for us to remember the art of friendship to have friends, because this is what's going to help us. I don't want to say deal with gaslighting. How, how do I say it guys? When we have friends, we're able to see the light, if you will, right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And heal from </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:51:28]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> an outside perspective. Yeah. And it frees us because one of the key things that you can absolutely point to is isolation. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:51:36]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And also your friend will say, you're not crazy. They're driving you crazy, which is what happened with me and yoga. Holly would say, she's crazy. They're trying to drive you crazy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:51:51]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> It's an interesting sort of, conundrum, because like, from what you just read, it's saying that they have to learn that they don't need others to define who they are. But I think the key to doing that and to breaking this isolation is to have enough points of connection with other people, with people in your life that enables you to discern the differences of those connections and which of those relationships</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">are building you up and which of those are negative. And then you can choose when you have multiple connection points, which of those are part of your self-definition and which of them you don't need. So it's not like you just stop relying on anybody else. It's more like you have enough points of connection to be able to choose the connections in your life that contribute to yourself definition in a positive way, instead of breaking it down until you don't know.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:53:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Now I'm afraid that we're going to come up with solutions and I don't want to take away from our talk with coy. Can we talk about all the different ways that there's gaslighting, that we may not even be aware of? What do you have there in your notes </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:53:18]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> again, what you'd need in my mind, what you need to focus on is what's the quote-unquote gas lighters end game.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that's how you really effectively identify because unfortunately, or fortunately, a lot, all of the tactics of gaslighting can just occur. It's when there's a, they're actually trying to destroy yourself worth; like that is their goal. Or, they're trying to quote unquote drive you crazy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They're trying to make you doubt the reality that you see. Again, you know, welcome to cults. Cults are excellent gas lighters, because they get you to accept their version of reality and they are your sole source of truth, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:54:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but saying cult Colt, Matt it's. So it is so, it's so extreme that it's, it's almost a disconnect.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">What do you think are ways thatare cultish that we are so under a spell where we don't even realize that there, that the wool is being pulled over our eyes? Do you know what I mean? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:54:26]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Again, sole source of truth. Uh, somebody who would then, um, you only get praised for that. They'll praise you for things.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yes, absolutely. They'll actually build you up, but only when you do something that serves them, like they won't say, wow, that was an interesting opinion. It's about, you're doing something that they would want you to do. So </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:54:46]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> this is a work situation for sure. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:54:49]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. Act act the way I want you to act. And you, you will be, oh my God, you want to be whatever </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:54:54]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> dot, dot, dot, right guys like Emily, we were talking about being a bad student, as opposed to being a good student.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I mean, that's pretty much what happens there, right? You, if you act the way they want you to, if you behave the way they want you to, if you think the way they want you to, then you will succeed. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:55:13]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, you'll get a, you'll get an a yeah, absolutely. But are you being gas lit? Was I gas lit by Mrs. Hershey in 4th grade?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">No, I wasn't, but she wanted me to, you know, I got an a, if I did things, the way I was supposed to do her end game was for me to be smarter. It wasn't to tear me down. It wasn't to make me a robot. It wasn't to ...It's end game.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:55:34]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, you know what? She was a good teacher. I've had many, many teachers who consistently told me that I was not smart enough.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I was not good enough that I was lazy. It's kind of like being told I'm crazy. Right? Well, I'm studying and I'm studying and I, and I want to learn and no matter what, I get knocked down with a D D minus and then on top of it, I have the teacher saying you're lazy. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:56:04]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah. I remember, I remember my, uh, algebra two trig teacher, Mr. Joint</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Son of a.... But anyways, we had to do, we had to take copious notes and I took my notes, but they weren't in color. So he'd always give me X grade. And then when he's like, well, why don't you do them in color? So I did them in color and I got the exact same grade. At that point I said, we're done, I'm going to do what I do.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And you're going to give me the grade you're going to give me. And we're just going to kind of just ignore each other. And if you want to get into it with me, we can get into it. But there's no point. I'm done because I know I'm not going to satisfy you. And that had a lot to do with how flipping angry I was in, in high school.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I had this just like fire coming off of me the whole time that, um, you know, screw you, if you weren't going to do right by me. I had such that scent. And was that a heightened sense of self-worth or was that just me being an a-hole? I don't know, but </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:56:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It was you having the self-awareness to a point where you're not going to take it, but Emily, what were you going to say?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:57:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> Well, I just think it's a really interesting, sort of component that Matt is bringing up of identifying their motivation. And I think the difficulty of that, right, is that, how do you identify that when you're information gathering perception is what has been put into question in your own mind?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I think part of it is like most diagnoses processes, like whether it's depression or ADHD or physiological illness, The most successful diagnoses processes are about looking at the full symptom list and identifying how many of those are being employed or happening simultaneously and the frequency.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. So a diagnosis of depression, it isn't like, do you feel tired sometimes? Do you feel sad sometimes? Do you eat too much or too little sometimes, can you not sleep every now and then. It's are all of these things happening and are they happening more or less all the time for you?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And only by looking at all of the symptoms together and the whole picture, can you start to understand what you're saying, like the motivation, the end game, like the result of that, right? Because lots of people say "oh, I'm depressed" when they're sad for a week. But that's not depression. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so I think gaslighting undergoes the same abuse, like, "oh, I don't agree with you. You're gaslighting me" right? No, it's an extended it's about duration, frequency and a cohesive list of aggressive behaviors. It's not, if you lied about somebody or one time or call them crazy one time, are you in a daily relationship with a person where you daily do a, you know, nine out of 10 things on the gas lighting list, or rather if you're the gaslightee. Are you experiencing nine of these behaviors from one person on a consistent basis. That's where you can start to understand, because I think it's hard to whole picture think like, by the time I was in my darkest depression, like I was not self-awareness, it was like not on the table for me. Like it was just survival, right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Survival. And being able to hear my husband, the one person trying to help me and just trusting him to get me to therapy and the psychologist and to the people who could enable me to take my next right step. And it's funny, like frozen two came out during that time and likeAnna's whole like next right thing song where it's like, you know, just take a step step again, do the next right thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">It's spoke to me. And so I think if you're in a gaslighting situation, just starting with observation, you know, don't even try to jump to the judgment of like what the motivation or the end game is. Start by observing. Like these are the things that indicate it. Like, do they happen to you? How often is it always the same person?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">These are the questions that you can ask yourself because any action has to start with observation and awareness. Just the awareness, you know, start there. Just start there. Don't even worry about the step after that. Take your first step.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:01:10]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. I guess I'm focused on, am I the gaslightee and you're </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:01:14]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but it's the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:01:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> same process. You know, my therapist gave me a list of abuser identifications that she gives to abusers when she's beginning to work with them and they ask themselves those questions. So, yes, I think like, if you're worried about yourself, you can apply the same process from the other side.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right? Like, do I do like of these 10 things? Did I do them all this week? And were they to the same person? if the answer is like you did two of them in two different situations, like, do you want to do some self work? Go ahead. If you want, are you, uh, evil gaslighting, narcissist? Not likely, you know, I mean, I think you can apply it both ways, like, and in most like, yeah, I wasn't an asshole yesterday.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Oh, sorry. Yesterday I was an apple </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:02:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> yesterday. Um, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:02:20]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> like to my husband for a fit, a 10 minute argument we had like, but am I consistently doing this list of 10 gaslighting things Fawn, that you just educated us on? Like, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">no, no.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:02:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And I'm so glad you're saying this, Emily. I love you so much because not only is it important in speaking about gaslighting, but about racism. First of all, the gas lighter is never going to be questioning themselves a narcissist doesn't have the capacity to sit down and go, let me reflect on this and how am I treating? You know what I mean? They're not even going to do that. So if you're feeling guilty, Just relax and listen to everything. Replay what Emily just said. And as you were saying this, Emily, it just, it made me realize like, this is what the therapist said.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So I'm gonna read a little paragraph about what the therapist said about exactly what you just said. All right. So gaslighting is different from genuine relationship disagreement, which is both common and important in relationships. Now, gaslighting is distinct in that one partner is consistently listening and considering the other partner's perspective, one partner is consistently negating the other's perception, insisting that they are wrong or telling them that their emotional reaction is irrational or dysfunctional. Over time, the listening partner may exhibit symptoms often associated with anxiety disorders, depression, or self-esteem as opposed to these conditions. Gaslighting requires a second party, actively manipulating the perceptions of the other. Um, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:04:22]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> so not manipulating the person like manipulating, like their perceptions.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I think that's different. Cause Matt, when you referred to manipulating people, like we try to like persuade them to our way of seeing things you're talking about, like manipulation, uh, you know, of like, I think a different quality and that's where you bring in the end game, you know, whereas if you're manipulating their perceptions, you're actually undermining their ability to be manipulated, like in a persuasive sense. Like, if that makes sense. I don't know if that makes sense, but I felt like what Fawn just read was a good articulation of; well, and of course it comes from therapist. So why wouldn't it be?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Um, not that they're all winners, but, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">um, that's a whole nother episode. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:05:20]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Totally. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:05:21]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> Y'all already did it. No, we haven't. We haven't. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But yeah, I think that's a key factor. Like manipulating their perceptions, like that is know what's true when you don't know, like what's real, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:05:38]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> right. Because it's not concrete. It's not, it's not, you know, it's emotional.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I don't know, what is it like you can't, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:05:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> it's like the, if we're going to politics, it's almost like the misinformation dissemination saying, right? Like people are doing their best to intake all the information and make sound decisions, feel like they have collected accurate observations, perceptions.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But if what you're putting out is not true to begin with, how can you expect people to operate like functionally in a place of truth? that's why I think they call it political gaslighting, right? Like you are manipulating the perception. Like you're not trying to persuade people to one side or the other.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You are not allowing them to receive, to accurately perceive what is going on and thereby like you're manipulating their fundamental operation as a human being. </span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:06:48]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, no, absolutely. The, you know, fun, fun lie. There are lizard people on the moon prove there aren't, you know, it's one of these, like, I can throw out the most outrageous quote unquote fact, but how can you even determine whether or not it's true, particularly if I tell you, oh, but there's a big conspiracy and nobody wants you to know this information and I have it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I am your sole source of </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">truth, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:07:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> so, right. Totally like you combine that with layer upon layer. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:07:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You guys, did you guys see it, but, uh, gaslighting and politics. so I put in the notes, the 2008 book called "State of Confusion, Political Manipulation, and the Assault on the American Mind.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">, it's just, it's interesting. There's so many things to read out there so you can understand, or like at least see all the different forms control is being had, Like, uh, and how it can come through modern communications, marketing, advertising techniques, you know, propaganda it's it's everywhere.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I just think, as I keep saying over and over again, the more we are together in a true form of friendship, the less likely it is that someone will have power over us because we're more powerful together. We're more powerful. I'm more powerful when I talk to Emily. Right. I'm more powerful when I'm having good conversations with Matt, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:08:25]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Absolutely. No question. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:08:27]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> Most powerful when all three of us are having an active dialogue. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:08:32]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Exactly. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:08:35]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And then there are other things that kick it up, another notch and another, and another </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:08:38]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> notch, but talking is the most beautiful thing. And like the other thing we say is breaking bread together, eating together.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">it's really important and it also feels good. It's like the, the fundamental, the basic, like eating and breathing and drinking water. It is the most basic, that is the most important.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Coming together and having someone to share life with, someone that is your witness in life, you know, I love marriage for that because you're my witness in life, Matt. Right. I mean, if we're communicating, there are, there are times where you just don't see what I see. Like when someone's being a total racist jerk to me out of the room, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:09:23]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> or you're standing right there.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm just not paying attention. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:09:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> No, you are paying attention, but you don't have the ability or the sense that I do. My hyper aggressive, heightened sense of smelling racism. It can come in in a split. Second of, uh, look I get from someone's eyes and I'll turn to you and I'll say, did you see. But you weren't aware of it because your, your, your senses are different.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">You have a different perspective. It's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:09:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> almost like the idea, like, you know, if like we have these really strong associations with like a certain smell or certain sound, right? Like when you link an experience with a physiological, um, like trigger like that, then it's like a more lasting association.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So Fawn, your life experiences have just tuned you in to certain turn of phrase is body language, eye contact. Like, you're just, you've have so many repeated exposures and associations with those manifestations and the things that statistically come next, that your, when you see them happen, you expect the pairing then your attuned to it because it's building on that. Whereas Matt or I may not have experienced those were just tuned to different, small gestures and things, right? Because like you associate the smell of peppermint with that with, with whatever comes next. And Matt associates, peppermint with whatever Matt's life experience builds and I associate peppermint.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And it just, I don't know if that's really good analogy, like you just notice that smell differently. And when you notice that smell, you might go on red alert. And when I noticed that smell and I might associate it with like, you know, pleasant memories, like it just, it's not the same for everyone </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:11:32]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> is a perfect analogy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that's why it's so important to have our relationships the way we do, you know, to be friends, even if you're you're my marriage partner, we still have to be friends. We still have to communicate because yeah, it is it's, it's like a frequency it's like tuning into a different radio station. My radio station is 95.6 yours is, 97 something.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know what I mean? Whatever it is. Right, exactly. Heavy metal for Matt. And, and so the thing is that, we're all operating at different frequencies, but as friends to come together, it's important to have different radio stations. And it's important to communicate. This is what my frequency is. Is feeling.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">This is what your frequency is feeling, and you don't have to be tuned into my particular station, my particular frequency, my particular radio station. But now, you know what, because I've told you because I've, I've shared my life story with you now, you know my frequency, right? Do you know what I mean?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And now you're able to be multifaceted within your own station within your own radio station within your own way of experiencing life. But you also now have mine and I have yours because I'm listening to you and I'm listening to you, Emily. And the more we come together and the more we're so sensitive, not sensitive.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's a, now that's a charged word these days to say sensitive, but you're aware you're, you're lovingly understanding and aware of this different frequency. Even if you don't come from it. And that is what creates a powerful situation in a good way. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:13:30]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> Well, now I really value the way that I think just there's a real, acknowledgement of the power of the way that phrasing and approaching a thought can shift your mindset.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So when we were referring to like racism right earlier Fawn, and, uh, Matt and I are two white people who are having to have that like classroom guilt, existential crisis moment. I have been reading as many, have the materials being written on changing the question from, am I racist to, what am I doing to be anti-racist right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like, what am I, what actions am I taking to actively be? Anti-racist because when you ask somebody, are you a racist? That's like a targeted manipulating question that automatically puts them in a position of defense. Like, are you a bad person? Like, am I duck like, oh, </span></span></p>
<p><br /><br /></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And just start shifting that to what are you actively doing? What actions can you actively take to be anti-racist is a, is a process that we can apply to so many facets of our life. Like, what am I doing to advocate for others? What am I doing to form these high quality, real friendships?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">What am I doing? You know, it's like the equivalent of what people are doing right now to do vision boards, your, putting your focus on the thing, the actions, the learnings, the work you can do to manifest positive results or improved results, to try and make the world a better place. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I just think that I did this like new years Soultice writers exercise recently where you write down your successes of the year to start, then you write down like surprises, things you didn't know were going to happen.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Then you write down your failures or wherever you fell short, what things you goals you had, you didn't achieve. And then the next step is you write your worst fear, biggest judgements about those failures. And it was small, right? So it was like, uh, if your goal was to like publish a book and you didn't do it, then your, uh, you failed to do it, then your judgment might be like, I'm a terrible writer.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm a terrible person. Like I'm never going to succeed at this. Right? Like that back of your mind, worst fear. And you write it down because then you can look at it. And your next step is to say what your heart knows to be true about that. Right? So your heart may know that the truth is that publishing a book is like a very difficult long-term goal.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And you did take these steps toward becoming a better writer toward like connecting with people in the industry. But it just may be a process that takes more time than you thought or hoped it would. And then out of that truth, you can develop learnings and actions and things that you can do and work on to take your next steps toward circling back and achieving that goal.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I just think that process of healthy examination of asking your worst fears about yourself, and then addressing and like, no, like I know my heart knows these things to be true about myself and knowing that, here's what I can do to even be better in that area. Like that process is uncomfortable, difficult if you're doing it honestly with yourself, but so valuable.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And you really can walk out with a sense of optimism, hope, of refocusing, and you can do that with your friendships too. Like, you know, I hoped this friendship would be this, like this year. I really failed as a friend that makes me a terrible person. It makes me that asshole friend. I'm like, no, my heart knows like my mental health wasn't great</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">this year, the pandemic was going on. It seems a really difficult. And going forward though, knowing all of those things, like I am going to make the effort to reach out to this person and remind them that I'm there and have this friendship moved back toward where I want it to be. I mean, it's, it's so valuable.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's hard, but if the person or the attribute about yourself or the goal is worth it, you do the hard work and you take the next right </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">step. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:18:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Absolutely. And it's, it's really not hard because it's coming from your heart. It's coming from a place of being genuine. Can I, do you mind if I end it here because what Emily, everything Emily said is a beautiful summit.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's a beautiful place to go back and rehear what you just said, Emily. It is perfection. And I want to close the show. Next </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:19:10]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> episode Coy can tell us </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:19:13]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> how Coy, how, yeah. Coy will be on, we're going to record another day with Coy and she will explain to us her perspective on how to actually live with this.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And without saying you're a racist, you're a gaslighter you're gaslighting me and in a very loving human way, not just deal with the situation, but , make the world better. Before we close the show off today, can I just comment on not only how much I enjoyed both of your perspectives. Thank you and Matt, thank you for being so gracious and loving.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know, I, I, I know listening to this kind of a topic and really trigger people and thinking that, oh my God, that means I'm a bad person. Or that means I'm racist. And that means I'm a gas lighter. And, and I, I'm just not fit to be living here. You know? Like it's horrible. We, we, you know, those are, but yeah, it's terrible.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so one of the things that you started off talking about Emily is what am I doing to be anti-racist and I've, and I've heard that too, the past couple of years, like, you know, especially white people. And I feel like that term right there is getting us into trouble. And if I may be bold enough to suggest another way, instead of saying,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">what am I doing to be anti-racist? Because in a way it's like still bringing the negative on, by even saying those words, can we switch it to, what am I doing to be LOVING, Period. And then to close off this show, I want you all to remember. The world is a small town and everyone is your friend. The world is a small town and everyone is your friend.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Now not every friend is a good friend and so much like the line vector that Emily sent the hand with a poop emoji, which is actually soap. Just realize that every friend is good for you. And there are, I mean, definitely from our perspectives here today, you need to get away from these people </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:21:30]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> and anything that sparkles is </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:21:31]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> not soap.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Exactly. You're not meant to be friends with everybody. And there are people out there that if they heard this podcast would probably want to call me out and say, she doesn't know how to be a friend. She's no friend. Why? Because I got away from these people for a good reason. And instead of fighting with them and getting dirty along with them and fighting with them, I just disappear.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I am done I'm out. I will not engage I'm out. It could be someone I was friends with. It could be a family member. If it's not going to change. If the person keeps redoing everything without learning, without changing, you got to go. You have things to do. So the world is a small town and everyone is your friend, but you're not to be friends with everyone.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Just take it easy on yourself and go with love. What is it I'm doing to be loving now? Not everyone will be loving back to you, but that's when you keep walking and you walk with your friends, with your true friends, Emily. I believe loves exactly. We are each other's loves. We are family. It does not have to be by being birthed into a family.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Physically. We are each other's families in and out of time. It has nothing to do with biology though, with the physical. I don't know how to describe it, but you all know what I'm talking about. Usually people say, yeah, and it's, it's like original, like spiritual birth family. Like we have known each other in and out of time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's not by the egg and the sperm creating you. It is more than that. So that the egg and the sperm. So everyone thank you for listening again, thank you for listening.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Please reach out to Emily, reach out to us. You can reach both Emily and Fawn and Matt by going to our friendly world podcast.com all of Emily's information and contact information and her, her links are there. And also you'll see a link for us. If you would like to buy us a cup of coffee to help support our show, that would be lovely and amazing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And also what I would like to request is if you could go to our friendly world podcast.com and press contact us, and ask for a zoom meeting with us, I want to hang out with you. We would like to start a group where we all get together on zoom because we're all around the world. Thank you everyone for listening to us, all the countries around the world that are our family, our friends. Thank you so much. I want to see your faces. We want to talk to you. We want to have conversation. We want to bring you on our show. Please contact us by going to our friendly world podcast.com and yes, a cup of coffee would be great, guys.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We love you so much. Thank you for listening. We'll talk to you in just a few days or sooner than that. Just reach out to us. Okay, Emily. Thank you. Thank you, Matt. Love our Emily! Oh, love. Love you guys. Talk to you soon. Be well bye-bye bye.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So, have you ever heard of the book, Dale Carnegie's book how to win friends and influence people? It's been used by millions of people to get close, to make friends and all the rest of it. And it was used by Charlie Manson to manipulate his family.</p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:15]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Charles Manson? Yes. Why do you say Charlie? Like, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">he's a good guy </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:19]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> because that's one of the ways he has been addressed.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But anyways, um, yes, yes. The basically the root of evil took that, those exact same lessons, spun them on their head and used them to manipulate his quote unquote family. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Holy crap.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:35]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So that's why, that's why in my head, it's about end game. It's about why are you doing this? What are you doing? What is, what is the ultimate result you would like to see from this?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It either comes from love or it comes from fear and all the other negative things. If it comes from love, go. But if it doesn't and in that case, it definitely didn't. Don't do it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:57]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> guys. I'm scared, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:00]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> but that's just, it that's, that's the point is that, any particular tool, any particular, you know, anything can be used for the greater good or not.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:11]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Emily:</strong></span> If you're asking yourself, if you might be the next Charlie Manson. I'm just kidding.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:18]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh my God. No, no, go with love everybody. What am I doing to be loving? Love. Okay. Bye. Love.</span></span></p>
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[00:00:00] Emily: I had lots of ways of dealing with her. And for four years that was enough. And then, you know, I S I just like, it wore me down and my own, like physical, well, mental first health, and then physical health, just like, you know, went over a cliff, like, and told that if I wanted to be considered for promotion, I needed to work on being softer, use shorter words, be less aggressive. And that I intimidated the owner basically like be more female. 
[00:00:47] Matt: See that that's weird because , when you were describing it, I was like, oh my God, where are you coming across as, too passive?
And that's why they didn't consider you for a manager because they didn't see you as a manager type, but they just saw you as a rabble rouser, and a troublemaker, but then why not just, can you, I mean, it's, it's a weird thing. 
[00:01:04] Emily: Well, if they 
canned me, they would have to pay unemployement. and my twin, is far less straightforward as a person because I'm not, 
[00:01:14] Matt: you're not a shrinking violet.
[00:01:16] Emily: I'm 
not even a violet, I'm like a thistle
 My husband was like, you can't, you can't stay there.
 And then my therapist was like, you're literally doing physical damage to your body from the extended, stress of dealing with this 
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>Here is a quick episode of another fun technique to make the world better!</p>
<p>Contact us! Let's talk! We want to talk! https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/contact/ <br />Also, COFFEE for Fawn and Matt???  https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>TRANSCRIPT _ Friendly Steps 2 Wings of Desire </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hello. Hello. Again, welcome to our friendly world, everybody. So you know how we're now doing little sprinkles here and there of baby steps I just wanted to add something new to our show.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Sprinkled in between the long shows, I want to do these baby steps I'm calling them friendly steps. I may change the name. If you have something better, let me know. But if you put them all together, we're going to take baby steps together. And if you put them all together, I believe this is my version.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Now I'm not a big PhD person. These are all my own thoughts as a photographer when I've had time alone, when I've been noticing throughout my life, things that happen. People's behaviors. I'm not affected by the Brenee Browns out there, which I respect, but these are all my thoughts.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so I want to introduce you to all the ways I think we can create a utopian type of society; one, where it's truly a friendly world and things that I tried, things that I have, that I would tell you about that we would call nuggets of wisdom from Santa Monica, from my mentor, from. From the friends in the neighborhood. These are all the lessons.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So now what I want to do is do the steps, friendly steps. They're like little baby steps and don't worry. They're all fun. They're all meant to give you a spark of joy, inspired by a divine spark in you and the universe. There's no way that you can miss a step. It's just fun, little things to do.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You don't have to do any of them in order. They're just little sparks of inspiration that will give you a chuckle and hopefully make other people feel good.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">So today's baby step today's friendly step is this. The first part of it is I want you to, do something, That I think came out of the 1980s. I don't remember.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's one of my favorite movies. I haven't watched it in a very long time. I've talked about it on the show before it's called "Wings of Desire". It takes place in Berlin. When the Berlin wall was up. It's a beautifully done movie. It's very artistic. It is just deep and beautiful. It has Colombo in it. For those of you who know Peter Falk. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You don't have to watch the whole movie, just like even just watching the first part of the movie is enough to give you the inspiration for this baby step, this friendly step that we're going to do together. "Wings of Desire" is about these angels. And as the movie opens up, these angels have certain spots, they hang out in. A lot of them, hang out in the libraries.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">A lot of them hang out on top of buildings with gargoils and they're watching people. These angels will focus on one person. And follow that person. They could hear the person's thoughts. And as they're...</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[Here is a quick episode of another fun technique to make the world better!
Contact us! Let's talk! We want to talk! https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/contact/ Also, COFFEE for Fawn and Matt???  https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace
TRANSCRIPT _ Friendly Steps 2 Wings of Desire 
[00:00:00] Fawn: Hello. Hello. Again, welcome to our friendly world, everybody. So you know how we're now doing little sprinkles here and there of baby steps I just wanted to add something new to our show.
 Sprinkled in between the long shows, I want to do these baby steps I'm calling them friendly steps. I may change the name. If you have something better, let me know. But if you put them all together, we're going to take baby steps together. And if you put them all together, I believe this is my version.
Now I'm not a big PhD person. These are all my own thoughts as a photographer when I've had time alone, when I've been noticing throughout my life, things that happen. People's behaviors. I'm not affected by the Brenee Browns out there, which I respect, but these are all my thoughts.
And so I want to introduce you to all the ways I think we can create a utopian type of society; one, where it's truly a friendly world and things that I tried, things that I have, that I would tell you about that we would call nuggets of wisdom from Santa Monica, from my mentor, from. From the friends in the neighborhood. These are all the lessons.
So now what I want to do is do the steps, friendly steps. They're like little baby steps and don't worry. They're all fun. They're all meant to give you a spark of joy, inspired by a divine spark in you and the universe. There's no way that you can miss a step. It's just fun, little things to do.
You don't have to do any of them in order. They're just little sparks of inspiration that will give you a chuckle and hopefully make other people feel good.
 So today's baby step today's friendly step is this. The first part of it is I want you to, do something, That I think came out of the 1980s. I don't remember.
It's one of my favorite movies. I haven't watched it in a very long time. I've talked about it on the show before it's called "Wings of Desire". It takes place in Berlin. When the Berlin wall was up. It's a beautifully done movie. It's very artistic. It is just deep and beautiful. It has Colombo in it. For those of you who know Peter Falk. 
You don't have to watch the whole movie, just like even just watching the first part of the movie is enough to give you the inspiration for this baby step, this friendly step that we're going to do together. "Wings of Desire" is about these angels. And as the movie opens up, these angels have certain spots, they hang out in. A lot of them, hang out in the libraries.
A lot of them hang out on top of buildings with gargoils and they're watching people. These angels will focus on one person. And follow that person. They could hear the person's thoughts. And as they're...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>Here is a quick episode of another fun technique to make the world better!</p>
<p>Contact us! Let's talk! We want to talk! https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/contact/ <br />Also, COFFEE for Fawn and Matt???  https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>TRANSCRIPT _ Friendly Steps 2 Wings of Desire </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hello. Hello. Again, welcome to our friendly world, everybody. So you know how we're now doing little sprinkles here and there of baby steps I just wanted to add something new to our show.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Sprinkled in between the long shows, I want to do these baby steps I'm calling them friendly steps. I may change the name. If you have something better, let me know. But if you put them all together, we're going to take baby steps together. And if you put them all together, I believe this is my version.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Now I'm not a big PhD person. These are all my own thoughts as a photographer when I've had time alone, when I've been noticing throughout my life, things that happen. People's behaviors. I'm not affected by the Brenee Browns out there, which I respect, but these are all my thoughts.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so I want to introduce you to all the ways I think we can create a utopian type of society; one, where it's truly a friendly world and things that I tried, things that I have, that I would tell you about that we would call nuggets of wisdom from Santa Monica, from my mentor, from. From the friends in the neighborhood. These are all the lessons.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So now what I want to do is do the steps, friendly steps. They're like little baby steps and don't worry. They're all fun. They're all meant to give you a spark of joy, inspired by a divine spark in you and the universe. There's no way that you can miss a step. It's just fun, little things to do.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You don't have to do any of them in order. They're just little sparks of inspiration that will give you a chuckle and hopefully make other people feel good.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">So today's baby step today's friendly step is this. The first part of it is I want you to, do something, That I think came out of the 1980s. I don't remember.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's one of my favorite movies. I haven't watched it in a very long time. I've talked about it on the show before it's called "Wings of Desire". It takes place in Berlin. When the Berlin wall was up. It's a beautifully done movie. It's very artistic. It is just deep and beautiful. It has Colombo in it. For those of you who know Peter Falk. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You don't have to watch the whole movie, just like even just watching the first part of the movie is enough to give you the inspiration for this baby step, this friendly step that we're going to do together. "Wings of Desire" is about these angels. And as the movie opens up, these angels have certain spots, they hang out in. A lot of them, hang out in the libraries.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">A lot of them hang out on top of buildings with gargoils and they're watching people. These angels will focus on one person. And follow that person. They could hear the person's thoughts. And as they're watching and putting their focus on this person, everything becomes clear to the angel. Like what's troubling this person, what this person is going through, what does this person need?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And once that becomes clear, the angel puts his or her hand on the person's shoulder. Like magic, their thoughts begins to transform. They transform. Their emotions transform and they feel light again. You can see it in their physique. You see how all of a sudden their expression changes and there's a lightness about them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then it's clear. It's done. And then the angel sees the person walks away much happier and much better off. This is what the angels do in this movie. And so we're going to try that. Okay. Um, this, this is. Matt is looking at me weird. So we're </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> going to be following people around their thoughts and then touching them on the shoulder.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I don't think that's going to </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:07]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> quite </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Matt, stop it. Let me explain. So this is one of my favorite things to do as a photographer, because what you're going to do is, so here's the friendly step. I want you to pick someone. Again, it could be a stranger, but I want you to be one of these angels.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I want you to pretend you're watching a movie. So you're not attached to this person. All right. You're not emotionally, physically, or you're not attached to this person. You're watching a movie, but don't watch a movie like how Matt watches a movie. Oh my God. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:43]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, thanks for that,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:45]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> babe. It's so hard.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like ever since we've been together. I'm like, I love you so much watching a movie with you, I have to put all my shields up because you want to analyze everything and figure things out. I don't care. I'm just watching it. I'm going with the flow and you want to figure it out. You want to figure out the ending.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You want to figure out all the things that are happening, that you're not seeing on the screen. Whereas I just want to sit back and just watch. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm just exhausting at all times. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:19]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You're not exhausting, but you're taking me, but you're taking me out of the moment. I just want to be on a ride and have the director or the writer, all the people that created the movie;</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">I'm willing for them to just take me on a joy ride. It's so funny. See, you're not in the moment with movies, but I'm not in the moment when in life, like I'm always trying to figure stuff like, man, what's going to happen.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">What do you think? Come on, put up your psychic feelers and let me know what the future is. And you're like, no, just be in the moment. But then when we watch movies, it's the opposite. Anyway, I digress. What I'm trying to say is when you're looking at people, Try to watch like a movie without figuring things out.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">It's a way to offer detachment in a good way where you're not invested. You're just watching and that's when the magic happens. So I want you to pretend you're one of these angels that watches and listens. You're going to pick one person and you're doing this in the midst of noise.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like other things could be happening. You can do this anywhere, by the way. You have to be silent, and at first unseen. Don't let the person know this is happening. But guaranteed, they will feel you. It will be, felt; like the movie, the people could feel a transformation. They don't know who it is or where it's coming from, or if it's coming from anything, it's just a, it's just a, they feel a transformation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Place you're open-minded un trying to figure things out, deal on this person. So don't try to figure anything out. Don't try to analyze them. Don't try to fix anything. Just put all your focused attention in a loving way. And like in a grand loving way, imagine them being fully embraced by a caring being, it could be you, but if you don't have a capacity for it to be you, imagine them enveloped by a huge giant angel or something, you know, pick, pick a symbol that feels good to you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's neutral, but that's bigger than life. Something that is greater than us. Okay. And hold that place that on them and see what happens. That's the friendly step today. We can do it any day. You can do it anytime. Place loving energy or a loving blanket on them. Energetically, purely energetic. And by the way, Matt, this is what you do at work all the time. I've seen you for years now. You do this. Now. I have described it in my way, and then I've described it using "Wings of Desire," you know, and I'm talking about angels and everything, but you seriously, I've seen you do this at work with people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You will focus your attention. You will place like a beautiful, a cloak of love on this person, whoever you think needs something or needs anything. You do that for people. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Are you denying it?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:14]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm not denying it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Do you want to describe it in your own words before we go? Cause I know mine is very ethereal and you know, do it your, your style. How would you say this friendly step is?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So, in a work environment we're communicating, so we lose this sense of just sending them good vibes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So when I can sense that somebody might be feeling a little off, then I will just send them a quick blurb with a little emoticon on it, or I will post a comedic, uh, image out either to them or to a group I know that they're in, especially if I feel like there might be tension between me and them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Just a diffuse and to, to almost proactively diffuse, like they might be, you know, it's about staying ahead of it and making sure that the people around, you know, that you know, that they're important to you. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I've also seen you do this without any written emojis or anything written. I've seen you take people under your wing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Until they can fly on their own. I've seen you do that. And it's not just with work. I've seen you do it at work. By me saying it's not just work. I mean, it's about a human being. It's not about just a coder learning to code a certain way at work or getting a task done.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's a total human connection that you make people understand how valued they are. You do it in such a, uh, incognito. You do it in such a quiet way. It's quite beautiful. And because I'm your wife and because I see you and I see, I hear you. And I I've seen it for years that you do that is it's quite remarkable.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Another good reason why no one you work with. Knows that you have a podcast and we talk about all this stuff, the secret would be out. So that's it. The friendly step today, you're going to pretend that you're an angel. You're going to put your focused attention in a loving way on one person.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're going to hold it. Even if it's, even if it's only for a minute, it has to be focused attention. It's done with love and that's it. Guaranteed the person will feel it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> That is true. We are connected, even if we can't put our finger on it or consciously understand it and just think about what a wonderful world it would be.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If everyone did this, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:39]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> it could be less than a minute. Right, man. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, we've all experienced this Matt talks about this all the time. We all have this power when you're looking at someone from a top building from on top. Right. And you're looking at someone walking they'll turn around.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Cause they sent you looking at. But they can't see you. You can sense when someone's looking at you. Yes, absolutely. And in this fragmented world today that we're trying to fix right now to bring all the puzzles back together, all the pieces back together, and we are the pieces, this is what it is. We sense each other. To be seen.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">To have that loving light placed on one another. Even if it's for 15 seconds, it makes a big difference. And this is what our show is all about. This is our way of creating a utopian society, a friendly world. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">We're not here to say, Hey, this is the way to do it. 1, 2, 3, 4. This is how you make a friend. Our society has come to a place where the art of friendship has been lost, but it's not gone. It's in us. We have to remember, and it starts with conversation. That's why we're doing the podcast.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's about creating conversation, at our kitchen table. You are our friends, you are family. We're here to talk about life and that's what friends do. That's what friendship is. We're here to share our experiences, our thoughts. We're here to share the happenings and. And help each other through. It could be something that we can't figure out at the moment, but the mere fact that we're talking about it is a huge deal.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It could be everything. It is everything to have a conversation. That's what brings us together. And it's not about talking and having the person believe exactly what you believe. It's just about communication. Matt and I are night and day. When people realize that we're married, they're like, what? How does that work out?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well, you said that, oh my God, you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:38]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> said that know it's still, it sounds so hectic. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:41]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, welcome to my world when you say it. Right. But it's true because when people see us, like, we're like the weirdest looking couple, probably. I don't know, but they're always shocked when. They realize I am your wife, you know what I mean?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And the other way around. And then once they know your personality, they know mine. It's, it's another shocker. Like how did those two do it? Like what, how is that possible? Just night and day. Right. That is part of the art of friendship is the yin and yang. It's.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The simple connection. It's a simple privilege of being at a table together and hearing each other. That's what we're about. And that's what we're working on.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">We love you so much. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">If you've enjoyed our shows, we would appreciate any support you can give.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If you could leave a review, if you can donate a little bit or show; buy us, a little cup of coffee, you have no idea what that will do for us. Just so thrilling. So if you can support us in any way, a few pennies here and there, whatever a cup of coffee, that would be amazing. You can go to our website, our friendly world podcast.com.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There's a little donate button. Anyway, thank you for supporting us by listening to us and my goodness. France oh my goodness. Thank you so much. all of our friends, thank you to our family around the world for listening. We love you so much. We'll talk to you in a few days.</span></span></p>
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TRANSCRIPT _ Friendly Steps 2 Wings of Desire 
[00:00:00] Fawn: Hello. Hello. Again, welcome to our friendly world, everybody. So you know how we're now doing little sprinkles here and there of baby steps I just wanted to add something new to our show.
 Sprinkled in between the long shows, I want to do these baby steps I'm calling them friendly steps. I may change the name. If you have something better, let me know. But if you put them all together, we're going to take baby steps together. And if you put them all together, I believe this is my version.
Now I'm not a big PhD person. These are all my own thoughts as a photographer when I've had time alone, when I've been noticing throughout my life, things that happen. People's behaviors. I'm not affected by the Brenee Browns out there, which I respect, but these are all my thoughts.
And so I want to introduce you to all the ways I think we can create a utopian type of society; one, where it's truly a friendly world and things that I tried, things that I have, that I would tell you about that we would call nuggets of wisdom from Santa Monica, from my mentor, from. From the friends in the neighborhood. These are all the lessons.
So now what I want to do is do the steps, friendly steps. They're like little baby steps and don't worry. They're all fun. They're all meant to give you a spark of joy, inspired by a divine spark in you and the universe. There's no way that you can miss a step. It's just fun, little things to do.
You don't have to do any of them in order. They're just little sparks of inspiration that will give you a chuckle and hopefully make other people feel good.
 So today's baby step today's friendly step is this. The first part of it is I want you to, do something, That I think came out of the 1980s. I don't remember.
It's one of my favorite movies. I haven't watched it in a very long time. I've talked about it on the show before it's called "Wings of Desire". It takes place in Berlin. When the Berlin wall was up. It's a beautifully done movie. It's very artistic. It is just deep and beautiful. It has Colombo in it. For those of you who know Peter Falk. 
You don't have to watch the whole movie, just like even just watching the first part of the movie is enough to give you the inspiration for this baby step, this friendly step that we're going to do together. "Wings of Desire" is about these angels. And as the movie opens up, these angels have certain spots, they hang out in. A lot of them, hang out in the libraries.
A lot of them hang out on top of buildings with gargoils and they're watching people. These angels will focus on one person. And follow that person. They could hear the person's thoughts. And as they're...]]>
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>What are we substituting in place of real friendship? How is this changing our society? Are we able to notice the spells that are cast in our lives and how they change our friendships? What are these spells? This is our conversation today.<br /><br />Your experience matters to us. Please contact us and talk to us...<br /><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I don't know if I ever showed you this, but there was a vegan cooking show done. Uh, very, I don't know. Is there such a thing as a goth heavy metal guy, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> that there was no goth </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">heavy metal, oh dear. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:13]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> He was very underground, scary sounding. He sounded like a demond, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right. But that's not </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">goth.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's like when you start getting. into like, I don't know, extreme death </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">or </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> he was like that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> or all the stuff I don't listen to. Cause folks, I love clean vocals makes me a bad person. Then that makes me a </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">bad person. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Did you show me that? Or did I find it on my own? Probably </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:34]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> found it. And this was in that point in time where vegans were completely weird and this certainly didn't help anybody make any kind of a case for it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:42]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But so he was singing with that, like demonic sound. And teaching you how to make vegan Pad Thai in his basement. It wasn't a basement. It was like this underground, like under in the catacombs. I don't know. It was very dark and mysterious and. Crazy soundness, because </span></span></p>
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                    <![CDATA[What are we substituting in place of real friendship? How is this changing our society? Are we able to notice the spells that are cast in our lives and how they change our friendships? What are these spells? This is our conversation today.Your experience matters to us. Please contact us and talk to us...https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/
and perhaps donate a cup of coffee to support our show:
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The Surrogate Friend – TRANSCRIPT 
[00:00:00] Fawn: I don't know if I ever showed you this, but there was a vegan cooking show done. Uh, very, I don't know. Is there such a thing as a goth heavy metal guy, 
[00:00:10] Matt: that there was no goth 
heavy metal, oh dear. 
[00:00:13] Fawn: He was very underground, scary sounding. He sounded like a demond, 
[00:00:17] Matt: right. But that's not 
goth.
That's like when you start getting. into like, I don't know, extreme death 
or 
[00:00:23] Fawn: he was like that 
[00:00:24] Matt: or all the stuff I don't listen to. Cause folks, I love clean vocals makes me a bad person. Then that makes me a 
bad person. 
[00:00:31] Fawn: Did you show me that? Or did I find it on my own? Probably 
[00:00:34] Matt: found it. And this was in that point in time where vegans were completely weird and this certainly didn't help anybody make any kind of a case for it.
[00:00:42] Fawn: But so he was singing with that, like demonic sound. And teaching you how to make vegan Pad Thai in his basement. It wasn't a basement. It was like this underground, like under in the catacombs. I don't know. It was very dark and mysterious and. Crazy soundness, because 
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                    <![CDATA[<p>What are we substituting in place of real friendship? How is this changing our society? Are we able to notice the spells that are cast in our lives and how they change our friendships? What are these spells? This is our conversation today.<br /><br />Your experience matters to us. Please contact us and talk to us...<br /><a href="https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/">https://www.ourfriendlyworldpodcast.com/</a></p>
<p><br />and perhaps donate a cup of coffee to support our show:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace </a></p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>The Surrogate Friend – TRANSCRIPT </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I don't know if I ever showed you this, but there was a vegan cooking show done. Uh, very, I don't know. Is there such a thing as a goth heavy metal guy, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> that there was no goth </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">heavy metal, oh dear. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:13]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> He was very underground, scary sounding. He sounded like a demond, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right. But that's not </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">goth.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's like when you start getting. into like, I don't know, extreme death </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">or </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> he was like that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> or all the stuff I don't listen to. Cause folks, I love clean vocals makes me a bad person. Then that makes me a </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">bad person. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Did you show me that? Or did I find it on my own? Probably </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:34]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> found it. And this was in that point in time where vegans were completely weird and this certainly didn't help anybody make any kind of a case for it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:42]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But so he was singing with that, like demonic sound. And teaching you how to make vegan Pad Thai in his basement. It wasn't a basement. It was like this underground, like under in the catacombs. I don't know. It was very dark and mysterious and. Crazy soundness, because </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> that was somehow or another going to popularize veganism.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> That was just his deal. Cause you know, you, normally you think of vegans as these crazy hippies that are all peace and love, or then you get the hippies that are, very, militant, like our friend Jingles from Santa Monica, or you get the ones that will throw red paint on you. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So, on the subject of media, I have a confession, not really a confession because you've been watching this, but I wanted to explain to you what's been going on with me in the past few years. Definitely since, 2016.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And even before that, I talk about this on our very first show. The fact that I was noticing a change in our society, I was noticing things, getting amped up a lot. Whether it from every aspect of life, things were getting really amped up. For example, there was a lot of racist stuff that was coming towards.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But I never experienced to that degree before. And I dunno if it was because we lived in small towns and we kind of still do right now. Um, but this small town we're in, they think they're so, uh, what's the word for it? They think they're so not racist. They think they're so open-minded and educated and they're far from it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I'm talking about the. The yoga Bs anyway. What I've been noticing over the past few years, has been this thing with our society. And that's one of the reasons we're doing our friendly world is to bring about that conversation at our kitchen table, getting back to the art of friendship and reliving that, reeducating ourselves on what the art of friendship truly is.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">We're not here to say, this is how you make a friend. This is how you keep a friend. This is, this is how you, you know, we are saying that, but just in the midst of having normal conversations that friends do, even though we're married you and I, we have friends on the show, but even though we're married, we're still friends where it's, we're talking about things that friends would talk about, like the absurdities of life.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And we're trying to figure things out. We are trying to say, did you notice that. Or what's going on with this, let's figure this out, or I feel this way right now, and you may not agree. We may fight, you know, which normally is what happens. All these things that I've been noticing, more and more so I've found that I decided to isolate myself from a lot of people, because I was tired of explaining it to people. Because we have moved from one teeny tiny town to another and trying to educate people on what it is that I'm picking up on or I'm feeling, or the way someone speaks to me, they may not know is incredibly racist or hurtful. And then they get all bent out of shape when you try to go through all these huge lengths to not not offend someone and not say, Hey, you are doing this.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm saying, you know, have you noticed in our society, like, this is said, it's quite hurtful. And then they still get all bent out of shape and say, how dare you? You know, I'm very woke, you know, like, whatever. So I feel like especially since 2016, I've become quiet. I feel like I don't really have people to talk to about stuff, which is why I love our podcasts, because thank you.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I feel so heard. This has been the best therapy because I do get to talk, even though we fight on the air, but what I've been doing and. I've had a surrogate friend all along and I've known from the very beginning that I choose this as my surrogate friend. And that's what our show is about today, the surrogate friend. Surrogate is a noun.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The definition is someone who takes the place of another person. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Um, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:20]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> you have a different definition.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I prefer definition number three, which has a substitute. It doesn't have to be a person. It can be a group. It can be a thing almost. Um, in computer programming, we talk about talking, keeping a rubber deck on your desk.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And when you run into a problem, explain it to your rubber duck and maybe things will make sense. So you're using that as a sounding board. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Taking the place of, well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:49]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> yes, absolutely. Still talking about the third thing is not necessarily a </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> person. Well, for me it feels like a person </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> human connection is extremely important.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:59]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> yeah, so this is what's happened. And so I want to explain this without getting political, without saying what side of the fence I'm on, whatever. It doesn't matter. What I'm trying to say is I've noticed this for decades with other people and why certain TV shows are so popular. A lot of TV shows that have friends as the main part of it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It could be the title could be having nothing to do with the friends, but it's really about the relationship friends have. And I feel like over the decades, people have been using, watching these things as vicariously having a friendship by watching these shows. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:40]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:40]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> because you don't have that in real life.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We don't, don't get mad at me. There are the Martine's out there. Martine, my friend from France, Martine is she's a special entity. Everything that you want from having a great friendship that is inspiring to you, is my friend Martine. She lives every day to the fullest. She's not afraid. She laughs at danger.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">She laughs at fear. Very rarely has she have I seen her cry, which I'm not saying that's a good thing, but I'm just saying she just lives it up, man. She will live it up. Every day is a party. And I'm not talking like a superficial party either every day is a joyous celebration. She makes the best out of every situation and it's really quite inspiring.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So shout out to my friend, Martine. Um, so anyway, Martine Merbouti Banks, by the way. so here's, here's my confession. You. I'm actually afraid to say it. That's why I'm prolonging getting to the point. Okay. So since 2016, all the frustration and all the things that I've noticed over the last two decades, especially, things that I would come to you with Matt and say, Hey, I'm noticing this,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and you would say, no, it's really not like that. I think you're getting way too, emotional about it. So I feel like, oh my God, I have no one to talk to about this.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">When things start happening out in society, things that you have felt throughout all these micro aggressions, all of a sudden it's out in the open and everyone else will, most other people can see it now. Cause it's like, now it's there it is. There it is for everyone to hear and see, and there's no mistaking it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so what I started to do was my surrogate friend would be certain TV shows because I've found myself knowingly and quite deliberately going and listening to someone who would have not totally my perspective, but would speak about what I'm feeling because there is no other person. I, I don't, it's not like I have a group of people around me where I can confess these feelings that I'm having, or I can say, Hey, this happened today.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Can we analyze this? Because it's really weighing on me. I can't figure it out. Can we please figure it out? I need analysis here on what just happened. And so I feel like this is why the media, the TV, social media, the news has become what it has become. I think it's because we don't have that tribe. We don't have that circle. We don't have that table to have these heart to heart emotional feelings about what's going on. That the news has turned into kind of like a surrogate friend, social media has turned into the surrogate friend. TV has been the surrogate friend for many people. Now, I would try to say this to people as we were coming up with our matchmaking service and, even the thoughts before the podcast started and people would get all bent out of shape and they would take it so personally, and they would get so offended by me just saying that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I'm not saying you are doing this, I'm saying, I've noticed this is what's happening. And I think this is why. Even the news has become the way it has. I remember listening to the news when I was little and it was so God awful boring because it was like the, the anchor, he, or she would be robotic, no expression.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">The tone of voice would always remain the same even keeled way. And they would purely spout out facts only. No matter what language it was, the words that were chosen were very unemotional. It didn't have a side to it. Like you wouldn't say this person was in an earthquake, they would say.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">This person experienced an earthquake. Do you see the difference? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:59]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Absolutely. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Is it on purpose or is it just because of a zeitgeisty thing that anchors and newscasters have, try to basically just go along with. The emotion and most oftentimes, you know, we talk about this all the time when you're in a fight, emotion wins over logic.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Of course.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:20]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And that's what's happening because people have nobody to talk to.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They listen to a certain news show because they need someone else to tell them they're not crazy for feeling what they're feeling. So one side is saying this. And then the other side is saying the opposite because we're all having different points of views. Right. And we are so addicted to staying within that one feeling, because we're not heard for so many years that we don't want to hear anybody else because nobody else has listened to us.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">I think that's why there is such a divide right now. And that is why people don't want to listen to another side because they're still hungry to be heard. And I'm not saying this side is right or this side is right. I'm just saying on a very basic human level, there is hunger. And I think that that's what happens.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I think that's what has happened in that there's this surrogate friend now, and it may be good it may be bad but I think we're all under a spell now of whatever is said. These words cast a spell upon us. And I think that we're in trouble now. And I think that's why it's important to talk to one another aside away from these programs and have real conversations, which is what we're about.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:47]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. And that's of course the fun part, because I almost want like to describe a lot of friendships as being fair weather friends. And as soon as there's a challenging conversation (breaking sound) break up, because I think what we get out of the 24 hour news cycle is, we get kind of a non challenging, thoughts and beliefs.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Now I remember hearing that way, way, way back in the day, Walter Cronkite, who people look at as being the newscaster announced that the Vietnam war couldn't be won. Now, fact or opinion. That's where it gets weird. That was him with his deck of facts, making that claim. And I'm sure there were people in the U S government who felt the other way, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:30]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but his influence, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:31]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> he had, he had influence too though, which is an interesting thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But I think that, with this advent of the CNNs, the Fox news' 24. You have to fill 24 hours. With quote-unquote news. And so you present it, you make it as non challenging to your audience as possible, as opposed to if I'm the anchorman on, uh, or woman on ABC news. I'm trying to attract everybody.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If I'm CNN, I'm attracting this demographic. If I'm Fox news, I'm attracting that demographic. But if I. You know, ABC, um, trying to attract way more people, NBC, CBS, I'm trying to attract as many people as possible, as opposed to as many people who have these deep seated beliefs. And one of the things I think that we're seeing inside of people's arguments now, when they go to argue a fact is they generally start with, you know, and that's obviously.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that's where they start. They don't actually start by taking an original thought and defending it. They just say it's obvious. And at this point in time, we've kind of let that slide. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:42]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, like I'm saying, we've let it slide because we just need a friend to talk to, to commiserate </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:49]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> with and a non challenging friend.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> that is such a need right there to commiserate. Because we don't have that. We don't have our family and I'm talking about friends. Right. We don't have that. So it's, it's like they seized on that opportunity, that weakness. And it's not a weakness per se, but they it's like they sniff that out and that's what they're going with.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And they're shaping the whole world like that. And I, and I want to say, I mean, I don't know, like we haven't traveled in so long. I don't know. Is it like that in France too? Is it like that in South Africa? Is it like that? It, I mean, is it like that in Mexico is it like that. I mean, all of our friends out there is it like that where you are like, has it become a purely emotional thing, the news? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:47]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, stirring the emotional pot is certainly power; is powerful. And, you know, if I tune in ABC news and I'm like, oh, well, that's very interesting. But you know, it's really not at a convenient time. So I'd much rather watch an hour earlier an hour later, I guess I'll watch, you know, uh, NBC, because then they have their nationwide news and hour, whatever.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I'm okay with that because I'm still getting similar information. But I'm not feeling that connection and I'm not feeling that emotional stuff because let's not forget, as a people, once upon a time, our people a hunted saber tooth tigers. And in order to do such a thing, you need a team, you need a group that's all bonded together for a single purpose.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So it was kind of baked into our DNA. For self protection. So we really want these emotional connections and we really need these physical connections to others. Cause man, at it's heart is a social animal,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:40]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I feel like what's happened is they know that we are social animals so that they've created this, this </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:46]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> situation. Right. And I think it started with if you buy this laundry powder, your clothes will be cleaner. That makes you smarter. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:16:55]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But there, the situation has been created. And now the spell that I'm talking about is causing us to just stay here because it's at the same time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's yeah, you're a social animal. So let me feed you. This I'll be the surrogate, but the thing is that you're still separate . You're under the illusion. You're under the spell that you have a community, but you don't, they're trying to sell toasters, but also beyond that, like, let's take, you know, we've forever from the beginning,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">you and I have been so anti-social media. Like just recently I had to get on Facebook. And if you go on our Facebook for our friendly world, it's really Matt's account. I couldn't figure out how to do it. So I just switched my name to your name, but it's still your stuff. Some of your old friends that were, that you didn't have that many people following you, you had like six or nine?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I don't know, but like, I think they were all confused. Like what? Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm sure they all </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:17:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> were because I started posting stuff </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:00]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> for years and then all of a sudden, boom, our friendly world. Hey, how's it going </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> right now? You know, I'm sure some of them are totally bent out of shape. I know there's one very conservative guy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Who's now like, oh, you know what I mean? Like, cause I'm the one talking, you know, this nonwhite woman talking about stuff. So what I was saying is they're keeping us separated. There's this illusion that we have this tribe, like with Facebook or Instagram or whatever you have. It just, it's, it's an illusion that you have family that you have people that care.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. But really they're trying to sell toasters. They're trying to sell their vegan, this and vegan that, and their course, I'm trying to sell this course here. That it is so exhausting. Honestly, and then you have to keep posting to like, be viable, to be out there to be seen. It's it's honestly, it's my least favorite part of doing our show. I love our show. I love doing our show. Well, when it comes down to Sunday night, Monday, or Tuesday, where I have to post about it, I get so tired and like rushed and not joyful. I it's, it's really hard. And I can tell them, like, people are just so superficial, most people except for Wendy, Wendy, my sister.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Oh my God. She is amazing. Yes. Okay. Wendy and others, Wendy and others. Yes. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. They're there. I'm just talking about my Instagram, our Instagram account. Okay. Cause not that many people know about it, so you know, very few people really comment on it. The people who comment are amazing, but it just feels like a chore.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Honestly. Do you know what. To do that. Right. And that's not how it's supposed to be. When you have this gathering at the table, the table could be metaphoric. You have so much more energy. It should not suck your energy. Right. When you're amongst friends and you're sharing ideas and you're sharing your experiences and your thoughts, and you're trying to figure things out.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It is magnificent and the power is so big. I just feel like we're under that spell where we are remaining isolated, that we're not having real conversations in person and in person doesn't have to be face-to-face . This podcast I feel like is in person. I feel like. All of our friends that are listening to us, that, that write to us to talk to us,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">that call us up about an idea we just talked about; that is amazing. That is a heart to heart connection. It is real. I just feel like all these programs are keeping us separate and keeping us at a vibration of hate and anger and it's controlling us and please hold that thought. Don't, don't forget.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I'm almost done. One other point I wanted to make wise what I wanted to say was, I think I am now done with my surrogate friend because now I feel like, okay, enough of commiseration. And now I'm seeing, oh my goodness. All along I've been seeing now I see what you've been doing all along. You've been guiding me to do what you want me to do.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So for example, I'm listening to the news and. Why is it the thing of utmost importance is the supply chain. I understand business is important, but really the most important thing right now is people's health. The most important thing now is what's going on with the climate, what is happening with, you know, there are people who need help that are in earthquakes and hurricanes and tornadoes, fires.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There are so many things happening. Why is it the most important thing is getting presents, getting all the things you need to shop for that is like on the news that has become the most important thing to make sure you can buy and consume what you want, which leads us to this. Treat yourself society.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Have you noticed that, like, I I've noticed that this surrogate friend has now been using me and I can see it, you know, I use them too. I needed someone to commiserate with, but I can see how they're trying to make me buy stuff.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:22:48]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Absolutely. Yeah. I think one of the keenest clearest measures that we should have with groups is how do you disagree? Do you disagree? If you, if you never disagree, how do you know that you're connected properly? Quote, unquote, properly. It's about how we disagree. It's about disagreeing respectfully as opposed to well you're just stupid or trolling or any of those other things.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And, and, you know, I know that there are communities I used to, yeah. I used to belong to a community where people would disagree respectfully and it was awesome. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What was that? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:23:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Shout out to John St. Clair and the build your own arcade controls website. If you sign up there and then you ask for access into their politics board, which I haven't been to in a long time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So I hope it's still the same. , then you have to you have to write a message to John St Claire and tell him, or St um, and tell him that you understand the rules of the board, which is basically don't be an a-hole. Okay. Then all of a sudden you get access to this politics board and people would disagree.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And you know what? I have my mind changed there by what people had posted, because. We're a smorgasbord, we're a huge group of people and we're going to disagree. There are people who are so convinced they're right, because their grandparents blah-blah-blah, there's other people who are so convinced they're right, because they live in blah-blah-blah and these people are blah-blah-blah and there's other people who see the same people as being blah-blah-blah, which is completely different.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So it's about how we disagree. And it's about disagreeing. If we don't disagree. If you never disagree, if you never get your mind changed or challenged by the things that you're witnessing, are you growing</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">' cause we need to grow. Everybody needs to grow. Something that I've been talking about lately has been, I wish everybody would use the same deck of facts. Left right center, green, pink, red doesn't matter. I wish they all used the same deck of facts. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Can we really have the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> same </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:25:02]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> facts? Well, facts are facts.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And now unfortunately there's an imminent number of them, but if we ignore some facts in favor of other facts,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">' cause that's what people do. You can ignore a whole stack of facts make your point.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I was watching, oh my goodness. What was I watching? I was watching the boys from top gear and the old boys from top gear. They were talking about, oh yes. And this, that the other thing. And then, one guy got on another guy was like, yeah, but you were only able to get this many horsepower because you had racing fuel.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then the other guy bounced back with your car, always needs racing fuel. And the one guy said, oh, I was hoping you didn't know that because it deflated his arguement. Because facts are facts and that's just, it. You make the strongest argument. You can, but what's happened today is people ignore facts or they, they push them to the side.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Or maybe in many cases, they don't know it, if they're getting all of their facts from one place, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:01]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> it's just what you choose to concentrate on. Okay. I'm going to take it. You're going to get mad at me right now, but bring it back to what you were saying. When you say facts, I always go to racial issues. So let's go back to the spice trade era, right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The Dutch, the Dutch enslaved, the first they killed off. Most of the people on the islands where they grew nutmeg, all right, this is Indonesia. They killed about 75% of the people. And then the rest of the people that were left, they enslaved . But when you hear about the spice trade and you hear about, oh, the Dutch were great spice traders.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The fact is that they were killers, that they were enslavers. They enslaved people, they killed people and stole their property, nutmeg being one of them. But the fact is what they're spice traders, which fact do we concentrate on, do you know what I mean? Which, which fact are we going to look </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:59]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> at?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You look at all the facts. You look at as </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">many </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> facts, but the Dutch, but this company who is now trading these spices, the fact is their spice traders. My fact would be they're killers, right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:15]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> But they're both true and you need to pay attention to both, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:19]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but one side will never. Concentrate on the other truth.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, that's, and that's the point though, is, is both sides need to, like, I just recently found out a whole bunch of mine, a whole bunch. I really kind of messed up things. You ready? I'm ready. So I get emails because I have a very common email address. Uh, I get emails that are meant for me all the time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:42]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So how many thousands of Mathew Andersons are there in the world? Cause you've got Matthew Anderson's in the UK and the United States and Australia. Yes, probably South Africa. Yeah. I'm sorry. Go </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:54]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> ahead. All over the place. There's a coach. I'll come to you anyways.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So I recently started recently, like past six months, I got emails from a company because there's a Matthew Anderson, who is an employee. It turns out, um, yeah, they were supporters of Nazis back the day. Supposedly, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Hectic. That's just, it, there's a lot of facts out there. And as facts come to light, we need to figure out what to do with them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So I get emails from a variety of sources.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">One of them is a company that, yeah, whatever it doesn't matter. I recently found out that this company. Um, yeah. Was wholehearted supporters of Nazis back. And I know if you go ahead and Google, there's a fashion company, supposedly that was there's a computer company that supposedly was a, and there's there's companies in other countries where like founders of companies were Nazi sympathizers back in the day.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Uh, there are other companies who, manufactured stuff that was in use by, you know, east German agents (Matt makes continuation sounds) and as we discover these facts, we need to figure out what to do with them. Honestly, as an American discovering, you know, hearing about the manifest destiny, which was, it was the, it was the right of all the settlers to take all this land because it wasn't, I don't know, properly being used.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I don't know what the right arguments are.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Very </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> dispassionately. In elementary school. I'm sorry. Say that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:21]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> again. What </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:29:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I learned about all I learned about manifest destiny, very dispassionately, uh, in elementary school. And I still remember there was a painting of the trail of tears. If you really take a moment. And like I say, spend a brain cell on and really ponder what that is, it was messed up.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But this picture that was created, this painting, where they describe it, looked like well-dressed people, one was in a wagon and they were just going to from somewhere in the south to Oklahoma, to their reservation in Oklahoma. And. It deflated the argument that this was, this was a horrific thing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:01]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> First of all, it's barely a paragraph.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">First of all, I was never taught that, that, I mean, right. You can spend a whole master's degree on the trail of tears. Like, you know what I mean? And, and all we got was me. I didn't even get that by the way. Thank God by some miracle, like I get information, I'm able to teach our kids, but all I heard, all I probably saw was that painting you were talking about in school, it was never talked about.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right. And that's just, it there's so many, gosh, darn facts. And, you know, you need to figure it out and figure it out for yourselves. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:42]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And cause you always say this history , is told by the victors. And I say the history is told by the bullies who take over stuff and everybody else is, , a Savage. Yes. You know, unhuman, unhuman, not human. So in killing them , it's no big deal. It's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> ridiculous. And then of course we do take moments to pause and say yes, but Sacagawea helped Lewis and Clark. And the first Thanksgiving was with the Indians who helped the pilgrims. And it all seems rather pleasant until you realized how many quote, unquote Indians, native Americans, first people, whatever you want to call them, had to get pushed out of the way so that I could have my tobacco plantation or whatever it is.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:31:30]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> This is a really important topic. Again, one that needs to be discussed fully by really educated people by people whose ancestors have gone through this. And hopefully they have stories. I feel like we're going to do it an injustice by moving to the other thought that I had, please forgive me, but can we veer off to what I was trying to say about us being under a spell right now and how they, the surrogate friend has become this force that is now trying to manipulate you to do certain things. Right. We were talking about consumerism. It reminds me of when there is a neglected child, when a parent, you know, have you seen those parents that have no time for their children?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They're always working. They barely are present. They're in the same room, even you're not fully present, you're not seeing each other. You're not hearing each other. I feel like that's become our society. And what I'm about to describe as like the parent child dynamic of buying a child stuff to replace the fact that there wasn't attention placed upon this child</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">so if you don't have time, or if you don't have the bandwidth to really be present for your child, you just buy your child things. This is what wealthy people who can do that do. Right. You just, you just get them stuff. Right. And I feel like the American society has kind of gone to that with. We're experiencing all this trauma; and instead of fixing it, instead of talking about it and instead of healing it and getting to the core and being present with what's truly bothering everyone, we're saying, treat yourself. I deserve this. And it's that entitled mentality that has taken over our society. Like I deserve this. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">We, we don't think it a big deal when we turn on the light switch and there's electricity, there's a light. We don't think it's a big deal to just go to the sink and turn on the water and water, clean water. Well, not everybody has clean water. Most of us don't, there's all kinds of stuff in water.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Don't get me here. Um, don't get me started on that. But what I'm saying is , there's water. Do you know what I mean there, or the fact that there's water on the planet or that we have oxygen to breathe. Don't take that for granted. But we have this entitlement that has become such a barrier for us to really connect with one another, because stuff has taken the place of having true connection. So, you know, yeah. Now we're watching the news and to make us feel better, go by this. Oh, the world is burning. Let's fix those supply chains so you can buy stuff. What I'm trying to get at is the treat yourself society. Treat yourself.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Where's that coming from. And how is that bringing us closer together? I think it's creating more isolation. Treat yourself. Me Me Me!, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right? Don't be challenged. Don't be disagreed with comfort </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:34:41]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and it's the American dream to have everything that you want. It's the American dream. It's like, it's like the slogan that we hear all the time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Everybody wants to come to the United States. It's the American dream. Is it? W what kind of dream is it where we're not even a family? We're always fighting. They're always shootings. The fact is most people are lonely. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Most people don't even know how to sit together and be comfortable together. It's all about their bubble, their space.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">How did major consumerism come in and why I'll tell you why? I think it's to keep you separate it's to keep you satiated when, what you really need is a friend, what you really need is companionship. And what you really need is to have a talk about how you're feeling, what you really need is to express what you've been through.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Advertising grew from a need for a company to grow consume, and it has trans morphed into how do we manipulate people into doing what we want them to do, which is consume more, and certainly, the economy is better when money circulating through and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:55]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> have you noticed when there's a time of fear, they use fear to sell. If you look at most commercials, if you don't get this, you're not going to have a good life. They put a fear factor in there, so you need that product. There's always an element of fear in most commercials.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:13]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Always big words. It's tricky that way, but certainly a lot of the marketing that happens for those of you who don't, when you have a little kid, when you have a, you know, a baby, is your baby keeping up with all the other babies and the commercialism does play right on into that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like, if you don't get your kids, this access to this website, or you don't get them these books, or you don't play with them a certain way, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And everything's about your child and the chart, there's a growth and a weight and height chart. There's a cognitive whatever chart. And it's all just fear, fear, fear.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">A </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">lot </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:50]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> of it. I mean, it's everywhere it is. If you don't get into this certain university, you'll never make it. You know, universities have commercials and in ways you don't even suspect that you're hearing a commercial. Like I said, it's all a spell that we're under. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:08]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> A lot of </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> it is.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Absolutely. And the thing is the spell would be broken if we actually got together and spoke, Like how we're speaking now, but more of us talking, like, I wish, I wish our friends who listened to us could join in on the show and we could have a conversation. Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And maybe disagree respectfully, which would be a really good thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Exactly. Because we don't, there's not enough disagreeing, respectfully. It's all gotten very </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:33]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> nasty. Well, because we're not heard yet. We're not like I. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:40]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Absolutely. And it's also because we do have a certain element of anonymity, so that affords us the opportunity to just be a complete a-hole. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:50]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It's very robotic.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like it's all algorithms and everything created by some companies like Facebook. Who are you really talking to?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:37:59]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah. Who are you really talking to? How are you being curated? How are you being manipulated? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:38:05]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Manipulated. Anyway, we just went totally off, off, off the subject. But what I was saying was sometimes there's a surrogate friend and you have to understand it's a surrogate friend, it's a substitute, and you may need that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That suits its purpose. For me, the purpose was I needed to come commiserate. I just needed that. And as soon as I felt fueled enough by that, but not field to the point of a rage where I'm brainwashed, I started to see other things like, oh my God, what you're you want me to buy? Buy, buy constantly. Like, that's your point?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm here to make the world better. Luckily by the grace of some force out there, I was able to see it and catch myself, you know, and know, that's what I was doing. I desperately needed someone to have the same thoughts that I was having. So I don't feel as crazy for having the thoughts. I'm having to have it be bounced back a little bit back and forth.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That's what I needed. We have to be really careful. That's it? I don't even know how to bring this around. I mean, I really just wanted to have the surrogate friend saying, you know, it's needed. I just feel like we totally took it to an evil conspiracy. Like the world is so messed up right now kind of deal. And it's not it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">W what I'm trying to say is like, let's just have conversations together, right? Have </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:38]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> conversations. Let's disagree, respectfully let's challenge each other respectfully, and hopefully grow as a people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:47]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Surrogates should be for a little bit of. Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:51]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> There's this can be helpful for a limited amount of time. Yes. Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:39:57]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You need, I mean, I just, I just caught myself saying you don't need a surrogate. You do need a second sometimes. Sometimes, and it's beneficial sometimes. So that's it. Um, how do we make this happy before we go?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:12]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> That's a good question. Thanks for dumping that on laugh. How do we make it happy? Um, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:19]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> how to make </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:40:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it light? Just know that, I mean, certainly for me, I don't agree on a political spectrum. Uh, majority of my friends and we touch and on these subjects and we talk about these subjects and I hear the frustrations and the non frustrations.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I think it helps me understand where they're coming from that I listen. And then, because I listen, they listened to my side. We may still completely disagree and be at loggerheads, but I'm not. Aggressively trying to make this person change their mind. I'm not aggressively trying to express my rage at, you know, their raw stupidity, because I don't feel that way because I respect my friends because I love my friends.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And, you know, it's about everybody, all the people in the conversation growing</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and with me. I would like, I just want to be quiet. I'm so tired of talking about trying to express what I see, do you know what I mean? I'm not tired of talking the podcast. I'm tired of explaining. And I, I just want peace and no arguments for awhile.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Honestly, I just want quiet. I want to eat and drink and enjoy, enjoy the earth and clean things up right. Quietly. That's what I want to do. Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:46]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You want to eat, you want to drink, you want to heal and get </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:41:49]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> it and heal and heal and help each other heal. Right. And I think that's where I want to close it off.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Is there anything else you want to add? Nope.</span></span></p>
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[00:00:00] Fawn: I don't know if I ever showed you this, but there was a vegan cooking show done. Uh, very, I don't know. Is there such a thing as a goth heavy metal guy, 
[00:00:10] Matt: that there was no goth 
heavy metal, oh dear. 
[00:00:13] Fawn: He was very underground, scary sounding. He sounded like a demond, 
[00:00:17] Matt: right. But that's not 
goth.
That's like when you start getting. into like, I don't know, extreme death 
or 
[00:00:23] Fawn: he was like that 
[00:00:24] Matt: or all the stuff I don't listen to. Cause folks, I love clean vocals makes me a bad person. Then that makes me a 
bad person. 
[00:00:31] Fawn: Did you show me that? Or did I find it on my own? Probably 
[00:00:34] Matt: found it. And this was in that point in time where vegans were completely weird and this certainly didn't help anybody make any kind of a case for it.
[00:00:42] Fawn: But so he was singing with that, like demonic sound. And teaching you how to make vegan Pad Thai in his basement. It wasn't a basement. It was like this underground, like under in the catacombs. I don't know. It was very dark and mysterious and. Crazy soundness, because 
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hello. Welcome. Welcome, welcome to our friendly world everybody. I have something new. We're going to try something new and once in a while these will be like short bursts of episodes, but there'll be a really powerful, are you ready for my idea? No, don't be scared. They're like, so I wouldn't call them,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">we know we had, before we had friendly reminders, we'll still have them sprinkled around but friendly reminders came from Santa Monica. They were, we called them nuggets of wisdom. They came from the friends in the neighborhood. So I want to try something, I'm going to call friendly steps.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We may change the name. I'm not sure, but they're like baby steps and it's not like, step one, step two, step three., You have to go in order, anything like that. They're just baby steps to get our society going to that beautiful little utopia that we envision. Do you know what I mean? Anyway, baby steps.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And today I want to start with a brand new day because it just, this is something that's bothered me ever since I can remember. How people completely go wild on new year's Eve midnight, the stroke of midnight. They start cursing the year that is about to end and saying, Ooh, brand new year. Welcome. Love you and cursing the one that's just leaving. Right? Inevitably, it just feels like every party I've gone to, every show I've seen late at night, midnight watching our society ring in the new year. They do that. And it always horrifies me that, oh my God.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Just, if you can think of it as a second ago, like a year ago, just a second ago, you were saying the same thing about this year that you're now cursing goodbye, right? Like it was horrible. I hate you. Bye. Get outta here, you know, in fact not, and not respecting it because it has brought you to where you are, you were alive, you are here, you're breathing and it has brought you here and is ceremonially leading to a brand new day where in fact, every day is a brand new day.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So this is the friendly step today. It's about the brand new day and every friendly step, what I'm going to do is have you do something so teeny tiny. Just do it and see what happens. Today, or, when you think of it, when you feel, when you're moved to do it, the keyword being move, notice anyone, someone. Maybe start with a stranger. Preferably I prefer to do it with a stranger. Oh, don't, don't take that out of context. Um, look at someone and find something extraordinary about this person. You can do this from a window and the person can be far, far away, but you can still see them when you spot that extraordinary thing.</span></span></p>
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[00:00:00] Fawn: Hello. Welcome. Welcome, welcome to our friendly world everybody. I have something new. We're going to try something new and once in a while these will be like short bursts of episodes, but there'll be a really powerful, are you ready for my idea? No, don't be scared. They're like, so I wouldn't call them,
we know we had, before we had friendly reminders, we'll still have them sprinkled around but friendly reminders came from Santa Monica. They were, we called them nuggets of wisdom. They came from the friends in the neighborhood. So I want to try something, I'm going to call friendly steps.
We may change the name. I'm not sure, but they're like baby steps and it's not like, step one, step two, step three., You have to go in order, anything like that. They're just baby steps to get our society going to that beautiful little utopia that we envision. Do you know what I mean? Anyway, baby steps.
And today I want to start with a brand new day because it just, this is something that's bothered me ever since I can remember. How people completely go wild on new year's Eve midnight, the stroke of midnight. They start cursing the year that is about to end and saying, Ooh, brand new year. Welcome. Love you and cursing the one that's just leaving. Right? Inevitably, it just feels like every party I've gone to, every show I've seen late at night, midnight watching our society ring in the new year. They do that. And it always horrifies me that, oh my God.
Just, if you can think of it as a second ago, like a year ago, just a second ago, you were saying the same thing about this year that you're now cursing goodbye, right? Like it was horrible. I hate you. Bye. Get outta here, you know, in fact not, and not respecting it because it has brought you to where you are, you were alive, you are here, you're breathing and it has brought you here and is ceremonially leading to a brand new day where in fact, every day is a brand new day.
So this is the friendly step today. It's about the brand new day and every friendly step, what I'm going to do is have you do something so teeny tiny. Just do it and see what happens. Today, or, when you think of it, when you feel, when you're moved to do it, the keyword being move, notice anyone, someone. Maybe start with a stranger. Preferably I prefer to do it with a stranger. Oh, don't, don't take that out of context. Um, look at someone and find something extraordinary about this person. You can do this from a window and the person can be far, far away, but you can still see them when you spot that extraordinary thing.
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hello. Welcome. Welcome, welcome to our friendly world everybody. I have something new. We're going to try something new and once in a while these will be like short bursts of episodes, but there'll be a really powerful, are you ready for my idea? No, don't be scared. They're like, so I wouldn't call them,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">we know we had, before we had friendly reminders, we'll still have them sprinkled around but friendly reminders came from Santa Monica. They were, we called them nuggets of wisdom. They came from the friends in the neighborhood. So I want to try something, I'm going to call friendly steps.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We may change the name. I'm not sure, but they're like baby steps and it's not like, step one, step two, step three., You have to go in order, anything like that. They're just baby steps to get our society going to that beautiful little utopia that we envision. Do you know what I mean? Anyway, baby steps.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And today I want to start with a brand new day because it just, this is something that's bothered me ever since I can remember. How people completely go wild on new year's Eve midnight, the stroke of midnight. They start cursing the year that is about to end and saying, Ooh, brand new year. Welcome. Love you and cursing the one that's just leaving. Right? Inevitably, it just feels like every party I've gone to, every show I've seen late at night, midnight watching our society ring in the new year. They do that. And it always horrifies me that, oh my God.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Just, if you can think of it as a second ago, like a year ago, just a second ago, you were saying the same thing about this year that you're now cursing goodbye, right? Like it was horrible. I hate you. Bye. Get outta here, you know, in fact not, and not respecting it because it has brought you to where you are, you were alive, you are here, you're breathing and it has brought you here and is ceremonially leading to a brand new day where in fact, every day is a brand new day.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So this is the friendly step today. It's about the brand new day and every friendly step, what I'm going to do is have you do something so teeny tiny. Just do it and see what happens. Today, or, when you think of it, when you feel, when you're moved to do it, the keyword being move, notice anyone, someone. Maybe start with a stranger. Preferably I prefer to do it with a stranger. Oh, don't, don't take that out of context. Um, look at someone and find something extraordinary about this person. You can do this from a window and the person can be far, far away, but you can still see them when you spot that extraordinary thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It could be a glimpse. Shout it out to them. When you notice that one spark about this person, it could be a sweater they're wearing. It could be a shirt, it could be a vibe, but it has to be something beautiful. And then when you shout it out, when you yell at this this person from far away, now yelling as in like a happy, yay kind of yelling.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like I see you </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> not to get off my lawn.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Hey, no, not, no. Get off my lawn. Like I see you. Wow. You're beautiful. Do you know what I mean? Something extraordinary, but you have to notice it. It has to be sincere. So something. And it will show it's on every single person. It will show itself. It's a spark and wave with a smile.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">As you're doing. And I'm not talking about the crazy smiles that I see as a photographer. Oh my God. Don't okay. Have you guys noticed, just look on any TV commercial in the United States when people are trying to sell you something or they're posing for a picture,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">they think all they have to do is stretch their lips. Is it, are these. They scratch their lips. You know, the things over your teeth, your lips, they stretch them ear to ear and they get their lips really. And it's just burying your teeth to me. When you look at the person's eyes, the expression hasn't changed.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">All they have done has been stretch their lips, right? It is horrifying when people do that to me, because it is the most scary insincere... like it lets me know what's really going on. And usually when that happens, when that expression happens, what's really going on is this person has not a spark of happiness or love.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It is just pure either insecurity, a pain, hate it's all negative. Sometimes it's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> disinterest or they're tired. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:04]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Sometimes. No, you can be tired and still exude the love. Yes, no, but what I have noticed as a photographer. Okay. I'll have to put that on the table, like heavy handed, Matt. What I've noticed is not tired.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You, when someone is tired, they have a sense. They could have a sense of pure love about them. And gentle sincerity. But usually when I see people do this, they're running on a very low vibration of hate or hate is I know it's a really strong word for it, but you'll notice once you notice what I'm saying, when you feel something, when you smile, you should really be thinking of something that makes you really happy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Bearing your teeth is not, is not it. It's very scary. Don't do that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> for me, the smile </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">is in the eyes anyways. It is, it does have something to do with the mouth, but it's in the eyes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:01]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Well, the thing is that you can be on the phone and smile and someone can feel it. You can be on the phone and bare your teeth like that, that I'm talking about.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">People will feel that too. It's insincere. You can definitely see it in the eyes, but it also works on the phone. When you can't see the person's face, you can tell that there's no smiling happening here. It's not happy. It's not gentle. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:27]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Anyways, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">, it's a bit, it's very important, Matt. I understand because the part of the step is you have to wave with a smile.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So you can't just bare your teeth. I want you to understand that. So I want you to wave wildly, right? Don't worry about what you look like. Except for the smile part. And then wave a closing wave disappearing as suddenly as you appear to them. I would do this in Santa Monica. I would notice someone from a block away and I would do that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I would notice something extraordinary about them and give them kudos about it. And then I would duck back into the, back into the apartment. So they, they would turn around and I would come back up, like it wasn't me. And they would be looking to see who said that to them. And they knew it was them that they were talking about.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And I could see a skip, like a little lightness in their step, like it helped them. Right. Right. So as you disappear, don't worry about it. You may or may not see them again. You probably will at some point. Let that magic or SPANDA happen. Spanda comes from a form of yoga and what it means w what it is, is it's a primordial vibration of the universe and of your being. It usually refers to the creation of the universe. It's a Sanskrit word. It's derived from the root spoddy, which means movement, motion or vibration.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">It's something that you can't see. It's a divine power. Spanda. So that's what you're doing. It's a new day. And we're going to start with new little baby steps, friendly steps, along our way to making our society a better one. And as you've listened to our show, how long has it been? A year and a half?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:26]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Something like, yeah, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:27]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> We have done almost a hundred shows 90, maybe 95 sometimes. I don't, I don't, I don't really know the number. Friends who have been listening, you know, but we're not beating anyone over the head with, look, this is how to be a friend. Our show is our friendly world.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We're just going to live it. We're just going to speak it. And we're not going to say, Hey, this is it, this is the way. But the art of friendship is what we're all about and we're just going to be it. And we're going to have that circle about us always. And it's kind of like live by example. And the, one of the prime examples of the art of friendship is to have beautiful conversation and it, and the beautiful doesn't always mean flowering and happy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And as you all have listened, Matt and I have argued. Matt has dropped the mic and walked away because he's upset about something that I was talking about that he didn't want to get into, and then we had to work it out and have him come back to the table and finish the conversation. So it's not always like that kind of beautiful where it's like roses and butterflies and tweeting birds.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's, it's a conversation and that's what needs to happen in our society. That's one of the things we have lost is that it's like the lost art of conversation, the art of friendship. So there's a reason why we do this at our table, at our kitchen table, we are creating a circle of friendship and we share, we share our life experiences.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We share our ideas. We share the things that we see out there that can turn into the absurd. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Sometimes</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:19]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> you're the first person I ever heard say this, Matt, when we first met, I was having trouble with work and I would come into aikido. You could tell visibly, like had a bad day and you could tell I had cried a lot.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right, right. Before stepping into aikido. And you would tell me, I wish you could remember the exact words you would say to me, it's okay because sometimes life can get so, so many things can happen that it reaches the realm of absurdity. Oh yeah. What did you say to me or something like </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:52]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> that? Yeah, absolutely.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Sometimes the world does. The absurd realms where it's like, okay, I can't believe this just happened. I mean, it's just like, it's almost like I nowadays I would say Punchdrunk, but it's just like, the world just keeps hitting you. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:05]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And when it reaches that form of absurdity, you can start laughing at it and start laughing </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:11]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> at it because it's like, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:12]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> what else can you do?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:13]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You know, other, stuff's going to keep, just keep rolling. So, you can either laugh or you can cry. So </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">pick your poison. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:21]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> If you have a friend, one of you can cry. One of you can laugh and then you can switch back and forth until you get a handle on it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:27]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. And that's the whole point is you have to realize sometimes you don't have control.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's like being caught in a current. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So what do you think about before we close off? What do you think about this one baby step of noticing someone's spark. It has to be. I don't want, I don't want to say it has to be, but I would prefer you start with a stranger, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:50]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> right? On some level. It's certainly easier if you start with a stranger.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">But what's interesting that you mentioned because just this week I was reading from somebody. God knows who, because I read way too much, but they mentioned how at the end of every zoom call, they will just look at the camera and wave wildly and guess what? Everyone else at the company is starting to do it too.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:12]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right? I did that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">too. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:13]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You know, people generally tend to wave at the end of a conversation, but I find even the beginning when you're like, oh my God, should I say anything? Say something, say, Hey, I see you. Call out people when they show up. If they don't announce themselves have </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">fun. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:28]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right. Well, yeah, exactly.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> That's the whole point is have fun with this and be honest and be, you know, really try and take in this person. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:37]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Thank you, Matt. Exactly. That this is about having fun. You're a little kid spying, not in a creepy way, but just like, you know, you notice someone and you're just going to shout it out to the world, how fabulous they are.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:50]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> There you go.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> All right. So that's our friendly step of the day, baby steps. And again, this is meant to be fun. Fun, fun. All right. So we'll talk to you in a few. This is it just a short, quick one, but we'll be with you holding hands with you, vibrationally as you do this, I want to hear what happens, let us know.</span></span></p>
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[00:00:00] Fawn: Hello. Welcome. Welcome, welcome to our friendly world everybody. I have something new. We're going to try something new and once in a while these will be like short bursts of episodes, but there'll be a really powerful, are you ready for my idea? No, don't be scared. They're like, so I wouldn't call them,
we know we had, before we had friendly reminders, we'll still have them sprinkled around but friendly reminders came from Santa Monica. They were, we called them nuggets of wisdom. They came from the friends in the neighborhood. So I want to try something, I'm going to call friendly steps.
We may change the name. I'm not sure, but they're like baby steps and it's not like, step one, step two, step three., You have to go in order, anything like that. They're just baby steps to get our society going to that beautiful little utopia that we envision. Do you know what I mean? Anyway, baby steps.
And today I want to start with a brand new day because it just, this is something that's bothered me ever since I can remember. How people completely go wild on new year's Eve midnight, the stroke of midnight. They start cursing the year that is about to end and saying, Ooh, brand new year. Welcome. Love you and cursing the one that's just leaving. Right? Inevitably, it just feels like every party I've gone to, every show I've seen late at night, midnight watching our society ring in the new year. They do that. And it always horrifies me that, oh my God.
Just, if you can think of it as a second ago, like a year ago, just a second ago, you were saying the same thing about this year that you're now cursing goodbye, right? Like it was horrible. I hate you. Bye. Get outta here, you know, in fact not, and not respecting it because it has brought you to where you are, you were alive, you are here, you're breathing and it has brought you here and is ceremonially leading to a brand new day where in fact, every day is a brand new day.
So this is the friendly step today. It's about the brand new day and every friendly step, what I'm going to do is have you do something so teeny tiny. Just do it and see what happens. Today, or, when you think of it, when you feel, when you're moved to do it, the keyword being move, notice anyone, someone. Maybe start with a stranger. Preferably I prefer to do it with a stranger. Oh, don't, don't take that out of context. Um, look at someone and find something extraordinary about this person. You can do this from a window and the person can be far, far away, but you can still see them when you spot that extraordinary thing.
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                                            <![CDATA[<p>This is a longer show for a reason. We begin before Joey shows up by expressing some emotional stress and turmoil that happened to us this past week from fires to blizzards, to another case of Fawn experiencing some more racism, yet another mass shooting in Colorado, to all the other stuff. We talk about how important it is to clear the air before we meet our friends, before a ceremonial time together. So we do this before Joey shows up.</p>
<p>When Joey shows up, we discuss the importance of ceremony, the importance of learning and respecting each other's cultures and history, Star Wars, why pronunciation is such a trigger, and then we continue talking as we make, bake, and break the Gata Bread. Just press pause when you need to and come back and make sure you hear all of this episode (where you'll learn to make the most amazing ancient dessert) and make sure you are present for the last 30 minutes as we come to a very special understanding about get-togethers in life.</p>
<p>Some Links:</p>
<p>If you would like to support our show by buying us a coffee:<br />https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</p>
<p>To reach Joey: </p>
<p>Kryptontoalderaan@gmail.com.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/kryptontoalderaan/">https://www.instagram.com/kryptontoalderaan/</a></p>
<p><a href="https://linktr.ee/kryptontoalderaan">https://linktr.ee/kryptontoalderaan</a></p>
<p><a href="https://twitter.com/kryptonalderaan">https://twitter.com/kryptonalderaan</a></p>
<p> </p>
<p>To reach Andrew Janjigian</p>
<p>Pictures and recipe for Gata – Thank you, Andrew Janjigian<br /><a href="https://www.seriouseats.com/gata-5185123">https://www.seriouseats.com/gata-5185123</a></p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>Preshow therapy Transcript</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Our sweet friend, Joey is coming here soon in like a few minutes. And one of the things we always talk about is the art of being a good host. I feel like I needed to talk with you all before Joey comes. So before a friend comes, have you ever experienced this? When you've had a hard time with something, it could be anything, but you're having a hard time meaning that maybe you're not in the best mood and that you need to process something first before you open up the doors and go, hi.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yay. Our friend is here. Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:38]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So no, and I get that, but you know, being raised in a more Germanic household, we just compartmentalize, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:44]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> well, I don't. And before, before sweet Joey comes, I need to express, I need to communicate what's been bothering me the past few days. Yesterday was Elle's birthday. Right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The day before that I had to take her for immunizations. I got into a really bad mood. Like I wasn't expressing it to anyone, but it was a seed. Something was bothering me and it was starting to build. Every time I experienced any form of microaggression or macro aggression. It takes me by surprise because every time I process it, I'm like, okay, that's done. I'm not going to continue with this baggage. I'm going to clear it and I'm moving on as if that was just a one-time occurrence.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And I'm not going to invite that into my circle again...</span></span></p>]]>
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                    <![CDATA[This is a longer show for a reason. We begin before Joey shows up by expressing some emotional stress and turmoil that happened to us this past week from fires to blizzards, to another case of Fawn experiencing some more racism, yet another mass shooting in Colorado, to all the other stuff. We talk about how important it is to clear the air before we meet our friends, before a ceremonial time together. So we do this before Joey shows up.
When Joey shows up, we discuss the importance of ceremony, the importance of learning and respecting each other's cultures and history, Star Wars, why pronunciation is such a trigger, and then we continue talking as we make, bake, and break the Gata Bread. Just press pause when you need to and come back and make sure you hear all of this episode (where you'll learn to make the most amazing ancient dessert) and make sure you are present for the last 30 minutes as we come to a very special understanding about get-togethers in life.
Some Links:
If you would like to support our show by buying us a coffee:https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace
To reach Joey: 
Kryptontoalderaan@gmail.com.
https://www.instagram.com/kryptontoalderaan/
https://linktr.ee/kryptontoalderaan
https://twitter.com/kryptonalderaan
 
To reach Andrew Janjigian
Pictures and recipe for Gata – Thank you, Andrew Janjigianhttps://www.seriouseats.com/gata-5185123
 
Preshow therapy Transcript
[00:00:00] Fawn: Our sweet friend, Joey is coming here soon in like a few minutes. And one of the things we always talk about is the art of being a good host. I feel like I needed to talk with you all before Joey comes. So before a friend comes, have you ever experienced this? When you've had a hard time with something, it could be anything, but you're having a hard time meaning that maybe you're not in the best mood and that you need to process something first before you open up the doors and go, hi.
Yay. Our friend is here. Right. 
[00:00:38] Matt: So no, and I get that, but you know, being raised in a more Germanic household, we just compartmentalize, 
[00:00:44] Fawn: well, I don't. And before, before sweet Joey comes, I need to express, I need to communicate what's been bothering me the past few days. Yesterday was Elle's birthday. Right?
The day before that I had to take her for immunizations. I got into a really bad mood. Like I wasn't expressing it to anyone, but it was a seed. Something was bothering me and it was starting to build. Every time I experienced any form of microaggression or macro aggression. It takes me by surprise because every time I process it, I'm like, okay, that's done. I'm not going to continue with this baggage. I'm going to clear it and I'm moving on as if that was just a one-time occurrence.
Right. And I'm not going to invite that into my circle again...]]>
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                    <![CDATA[<p>This is a longer show for a reason. We begin before Joey shows up by expressing some emotional stress and turmoil that happened to us this past week from fires to blizzards, to another case of Fawn experiencing some more racism, yet another mass shooting in Colorado, to all the other stuff. We talk about how important it is to clear the air before we meet our friends, before a ceremonial time together. So we do this before Joey shows up.</p>
<p>When Joey shows up, we discuss the importance of ceremony, the importance of learning and respecting each other's cultures and history, Star Wars, why pronunciation is such a trigger, and then we continue talking as we make, bake, and break the Gata Bread. Just press pause when you need to and come back and make sure you hear all of this episode (where you'll learn to make the most amazing ancient dessert) and make sure you are present for the last 30 minutes as we come to a very special understanding about get-togethers in life.</p>
<p>Some Links:</p>
<p>If you would like to support our show by buying us a coffee:<br />https://www.buymeacoffee.com/friendlyspace</p>
<p>To reach Joey: </p>
<p>Kryptontoalderaan@gmail.com.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/kryptontoalderaan/">https://www.instagram.com/kryptontoalderaan/</a></p>
<p><a href="https://linktr.ee/kryptontoalderaan">https://linktr.ee/kryptontoalderaan</a></p>
<p><a href="https://twitter.com/kryptonalderaan">https://twitter.com/kryptonalderaan</a></p>
<p> </p>
<p>To reach Andrew Janjigian</p>
<p>Pictures and recipe for Gata – Thank you, Andrew Janjigian<br /><a href="https://www.seriouseats.com/gata-5185123">https://www.seriouseats.com/gata-5185123</a></p>
<p> </p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>Preshow therapy Transcript</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Our sweet friend, Joey is coming here soon in like a few minutes. And one of the things we always talk about is the art of being a good host. I feel like I needed to talk with you all before Joey comes. So before a friend comes, have you ever experienced this? When you've had a hard time with something, it could be anything, but you're having a hard time meaning that maybe you're not in the best mood and that you need to process something first before you open up the doors and go, hi.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yay. Our friend is here. Right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:38]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So no, and I get that, but you know, being raised in a more Germanic household, we just compartmentalize, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:44]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> well, I don't. And before, before sweet Joey comes, I need to express, I need to communicate what's been bothering me the past few days. Yesterday was Elle's birthday. Right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The day before that I had to take her for immunizations. I got into a really bad mood. Like I wasn't expressing it to anyone, but it was a seed. Something was bothering me and it was starting to build. Every time I experienced any form of microaggression or macro aggression. It takes me by surprise because every time I process it, I'm like, okay, that's done. I'm not going to continue with this baggage. I'm going to clear it and I'm moving on as if that was just a one-time occurrence.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And I'm not going to invite that into my circle again, but what happens is it does come up again and I feel so shocked and surprised by it that it takes me a good many, many hours for me to understand for me to understand why I'm upset. I have to figure out where did this come from? So it takes a while for me to understand where it came from.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So here we are, again; every time I take our kids to the pediatrician or anywhere, actually I get the. Uh, I get accosted, if you will. I don't know. Maybe that's too harsh of a word, but to my heart is not, it is not a harsh word. I feel accosted. It's the way that the medical staff will treat me by not looking at me when I'm speaking, trying to give them vital information about either you or the kids.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They ignore me and I'm treated like, an undesirable. So, and that happened again. It was the day before L's birthday. They don't look at me. They ignore me. They'll looked at Elle when I asked a question. And it's just, I don't want to get into it too much. I just want to get this off my chest before our sweet friend comes, because I don't want to have a lingering energy of upsettedness when we have company over.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And even if that is company in the form of lovely Joey showing up on zoom and we're going to bake bread together today. So the next day was Elle's birthday. And I was so overwhelmed with all the, I started to replay all the things that have accumulated for me. And I wasn't even aware that I was doing it, but usually first for anyone's birthday,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I go into ceremony mode. I bake a special cake and it's a ceremonial cake, much like the kind of bread that we're doing today. It is a big deal. I put up decorations I'm up until probably 4:30 5 in the morning, finishing the cakes, putting the decorations up, making sure that everything looks honored like the person is being honored.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And I just didn't have it in me to even think about doing it. And in the morning when I woke up, I heard whispering you and Alegra were whispering about putting up the decorations. And I felt so bad, Matt. I felt so bad that I forgot to do all that. And I was trying to figure out why, like, why would I forget that?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Why would I not do that? I've done it every, for every occasion. Right. But I was just like overwhelmed, I guess. And then, so I thought, okay, well let me freshen it up. Then we actually put on some sparkles in the form of like makeup, like sparkles on my eyes, put my hair up </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> your sparkly </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:52]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> blouse. Well before the sparkly blouse, I actually wore a dress that I got, a beautiful festive dress and I put it on and I'm like, I looked at myself in the mirror and I was like, oh no, because I still see my body the way it was when we were doing martial arts.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">When I felt fit before I had two very sloppy C-sections and I looked at my stomach, I'm like, I can't wear this dress that I got, like I can't wear anything and I don't know, friends out there, especially women that can destroy you and that puts you in a bad mood and it makes you like, not want to communicate with others.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There's just so much associated with that. There's shame. There's resentment. There's like all these feelings show up because of a C-section. Um, scar or a C-section like bubble that is now on your body. And then I started to, now that I think about it, cause I had time to think. I started to think of like all the things and all the ways that have caused some harm to me by other people.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So I started to think, oh my God, this is why I'm in a bad mood. It started with being at the medical appointment with, for Elle and I, and I, and it's her birthday. And I thought, you know, her birthday is a joy Joe with joyous, joyous occasion. And I started to think I'm like, wow, really? If I'm honest, it was not a joyous experience for me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Her birth was. Yes. The, the welcoming of Elle was a joyous occasion, but it was not for me joyous. I was mistreated from the beginning, the way the staff, the hospital treated us. Do you remember? They would ignore me. They ignored you guilty by association. Um, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:58]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> yeah, I remember. And I remember all the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> trauma.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Remember the nurse came in and we said, hello. She wouldn't even look at us and say hello back. Um, she kept reusing the needle. For some reason, my vein was making it pop back out. She would touch the needle, fidget with it and Jap me with it again, over and over and over again. And I, I remember saying is that sanitary???.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Ignored me didn't even look at me. And then not long after that, the symptoms started to come on of like an infection and immediately the hospital was blaming us saying, oh, well you waited too long to come here. Where in fact, my water broke at the hospital, not anywhere else. And I don't know, we can get into the specifics of it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like I wish that I'm not sueing type, but I wish I could have had the power to Sue this hospital for the way that we got treated for two weeks, it was all day, every day for two weeks, mishap after mishap, where I almost died and Elle almost died. We had the friggin priest come to give us the last rights.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">What do you call that? When the priest shows up to give the last prayer before someone passes away, they brought that person in, you know, and it was just so traumatic and we had thank God, some angels that helped us out. Right. But all that came to surface and I thought, I can't be totally joyous.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know, like I forgot about all these memories. And so as we were baking the cake together, cause I hadn't even baked the cake that night. You were helping me Allegra was helping me and it's, it's not like we have the biggest kitchen and I am, I am a bit of a control freak when it comes to the kitchen, especially like, I like things just so, I have my way of doing things and I taught them to Allegra, and then you come into the mix and it was getting too much for me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And all of a sudden, I just burst into tears. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. Yeah. No, and I completely get it, but see, it's almost like you're missing stuff. you know, what happened to the nation on January 6th? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> What happened to us on January 6th? Isn't that when Chris passed away two days before </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:29]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> January 5th, so, and I had a beer on him this week, this year, because that's what I do.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I don't neglect that at all, but it is a moment for me. So three </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:39]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> days before Elle was born Matt's best friend passes away. And he was three states away, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">same </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> age, same everything. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:51]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So like you had to process that would you didn't process the birth of your first child, right. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:58]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And honestly, Still processing that, but I think I'm better about things.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then there's, you know, all the baggage that comes along with January 1st and all the baggage that comes along with a Christmas time thing. I mean, there's just, there's an interesting amount of </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:15]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> stuff and think about it just days before, we had the fires in Boulder, which is you're in Boulder. So we had to once again, pack an escape bag.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:27]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> we're not evacuated though. Thank </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:29]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> goodness we were not, but we had to make sure that we were ready to go. And I know people who were so we know people who are yes. Um, but we, you know, it was still in our county. And then days before that we had yet another mass shooting, you know, it was just too much.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Right. And, and I feel that I remember then that's why you got nothing but sympathy for me yesterday. I remember I hit a point where I was overwhelmed and it was like that one thing hit. And this was when we were living here and I accidentally, whatever you want to call it. I went through a speed camera and it, and it caught me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So you see the flash and you're like, son of a, and that was, that was like the last. The straw that I had that day. Now that happened to me when I'm feeling resilient, I'm feeling strong and feeling together. That's another story. It's just like damn bad luck. But when it's that one more thing, when you think that you've got everything under control and you don't, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:31]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and you know, it was a couple of days before Elle's birthday.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So we had to take care of Al's health, like Al was not doing well. And I had to deal with all these forms and finding the right therapist for her and all this stuff. And I had so many emails from work, all the, so many things I had to do for everything right along with the medical stuff. And I was feeling overwhelmed that I couldn't even look at the emails.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like I was looking at them, but I didn't know what. I just felt stuck. I didn't, I was like going in circles and I went to you. I'm like, Matt, I know you're working. You're the one making the money. And you have a lot on your plate because your job is also, it's not, it's not, it's not bad. It's, it's just that you have a lot going on.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You have a lot of responsibility, but I'm like, look, I'm breaking. And you said, I can't deal right now. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So you, but you make it sound all rational, right? That was not what you said. You did not say I'm breaking. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:39]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I did. What did I say from your perspective? And we got to hurry up because Joey is going </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:45]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> to be here soon and I get it and, and we're just going to get into it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If I start down that road, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:49]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> whatever you have your perspective. I had </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:52]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> a screaming fit that day at my computers. I know. Never scream at my computers. All right. I was so frustrated. You have no </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:13:02]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> idea. I do have an idea, cause we're all right there and you know what? I also feel that and you think I lose my head all the time, but I actually keep my head quite together most of the time, because you have no idea the turmoil that I'm going through.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm keeping it quiet. But anyway, so we got into a fight and I said, just forget it. I guess I'll deal with it myself. And once again, I went and called, thank God Holly, who calmed me down and like helps me like task by task, figure it out. And she said, okay, this do this, this, you don't need to do this. So </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">get that off your plate. She helped me, I guess, the word for it would be prioritize and like get rid of things that I really don't need to be thinking about. So I did that and I was able to face it. Thank God for a friend like Holly. Um, but like, ah, I just feel like this needs to be expressed, especially before</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">a friend comes over because they feel it. So in order to have proper ceremony in order to be a good guest or a good host, you need to just communicate these things before someone comes over. Because before that, if you keep going with what you're experiencing the turmoil, and if you don't express it guaranteed, even if you put a smile on your face and like you have all the festive things.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Your friends, your guests will sense it and it's weird and it's gross and they can't put their finger on it. Right. So I just wanted to clear that before Joey comes and just express all that, still leaving my heart right now, I'm trying to clear it. Right. But I just want to say it has been a trying time. And just when we think, okay, that has been cleared.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We're okay. It's time to move on, man. Some little thing will happen. Right. And all these emotions come bubbling back up. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Oh my God. Like a tsunami. It's the final straw. I totally get it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:14]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So, all right. Joey is going to be here in a few minutes He's here now, actually, um, So, okay. Friends, before the show starts, just wanted to get some things off of our </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:27]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> chests.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Welcome to a tiny little sliver of the, let it out </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:31]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> club. All right. So now we're going to start the show. Okay. Thanks for listening guys. And hopefully I'm not the only one that feels this way. I just wanted to share this with you all that, it's hard sometimes, and this is how we go on to have a happier.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">More, uh, celebratory gathering. All right. Well, okay. We'll see you in two. Okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:53]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> But you got to tell </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:54]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> me, you love me, honey. Love is winning.. Oh, you do.</span></span></p>
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<p align="left"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:xx-large;"><strong>Making, Baking and Breaking Bread with Joey Part 1 Transcript</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Dating or before we started dating, uh, my, my, my wife to be thought she was being tricksy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:06]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> why do </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">you say that? Why do you always say my wife or my wife? It's me right here. Fawn, Fawn geesh </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Fawn, totally had spaced out on my last name. And so she asked me, well, how do you pronounce, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> hold on. It's not that I spaced out on your last name.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">When we first met Matt, very ceremonially hands me his business card, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> power move, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:00:32]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but like, the ceremonial Japanese way to hand someone, the business card, you know, with both hands and then you were supposed to receive it with both hands, look at it and then put it in a very respectful place.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It was right after our Aikido, school day. And he's like, oh, here's my card. And he very ceremoniously gives me his card. Well, I was not feeling ceremonial around that time. So I said, okay, cool, thanks. And I just took it and I put in my bag, I didn't look at it. I never looked at it because I'm not impressed by titles and everything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I think he wanted me to see if you had the power move. Yeah. There's grand master, like major software </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:17]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> developers, the Senor on it. That's the key. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I didn't look at it. Honest truth. And so when I had to meet Matt for lunch date, which we were just friends, when we were going to meet at a lunch date as friends, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">she was </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> going to stop by the office and we were going to go </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">for lunch.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And I thought, oh my God, how am I going to find Matt in this big office building? So I asked him, how do you pronounce your last name? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:42]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Because she couldn't remember my last name, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:01:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> because I never knew your last name because I never looked at your card. So I thought, well, he probably has, oh, weird last name.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Pronunciation of names is really weird no matter what, except for yours, honey. Well, Anderson Anderson. So when I said, oh, how do you pronounce your name again? Cause it was my tricky way to find out what his last name was so I could find it on the directory. Go ahead. So I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:08]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> just laughed.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yep. Yeah, of course. But the thing was, is I did tell her there was another Matt in my office, but that was Matt Pack</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> but all this, because we were trying to figure out the name of the original recipe that we found that we're following that we're actually totally veering away from, by the way, because we were making to make it vegan.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But the recipe is originally from Andrew, Janjigian, we don't know, we don't know how to pronounce it. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:37]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Sorry if we </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> mispronounced that one. Sorry, Andrew, please let us know how you pronounce your last name. But we were talking about, you can tell who is in your circle if they can pronounce your name and Joey was saying.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Back in the day a telemarketer would call. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:02:52]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> Yeah, a telemarketer. I mean, is anyone familiar with the comedian Mike Birbiglia? Standup comedian, because he does a bit about this and it's spot on, where a telemarketer will call and then look at your last name and be like, oh man.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that's pretty much the vibe. Every time got everything from like people trying to, obviously people not trying Kirky corn was one that sticks out in my memory. I mean, all you got to do was really just like read the name, but it, but it also provided the opportunity, like you knew who to hang up on.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right? Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:03:32]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> That, that, that would be nice and simple for sure. And in point of fact, in the computer industry, we know there's a technology called Shibboleth and this actually stems from back in, I think what's now Israel, there was one language where they couldn't actually say Shibboleth and that's how they would make you say Shibboleth and if he couldn't pronounce it right, then they knew that you were not of their, your, they were not of your tribe.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So you knew they were a spy. So it's interesting. Some </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:00]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> gate keeping bullshit right there. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Totally. That's how I can tell if someone will be racist towards me. If, if I hear them mispronounce the country, Iran, you know, if they say"I/ran" (putting the emphasis on a long I) , uh, I'm like, oh, here we go. Usually, you know, like I, my, my guard is up </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:20]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> early two thousands politics pronunciation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Oh, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:04:24]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> forever. Joey, like, well, since I was a kid, um, so that's one that, that is one red flag that will pop up for me. And as soon as someone who, like my friend, Emily, that I became friends this year, who's coming on the show, she's an artist, she's a children's book, author illustrator. Um, and she also makes children's games.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're going to have great conversation with her. Um, we were talking and I never said anything about Iran. I never said that's where I was from. But she suddenly started talking about Iran and she pronounced it perfectly. And I'm like, I already knew I loved her. Like, it was like love at first sight for us.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like we became friends like that. But when I heard her pronounce one word properly my heart, I ha I released like such walls I didn't even know I had, even with Emily. When I heard her say it the way she did, I just felt such relief. And you know, when you feel relief, you don't even realize that you had been so clinched before, and then you feel relief.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You're like, oh my God, thank you. Like, it makes you want to cry when someone pronounces something properly, especially your name or where you come from</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:05:42]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> and the opportunity for people to understand that, like the people who care to learn will listen to this or listen to someone like you talk about it in that way and understand how it should be said or what the pronunciation should be.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And the people who don't care. Won't like, I'm not sure that I knew how to pronounce it correctly, but I mean, understanding now what the correct pronunciation is and, and what it means to people is huge. And, uh, you know, it's just the progress of learning, just learning, right. And, and the perspective from other people and understanding that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yeah. Understanding how to progress. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:27]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh my God. That I think the key word for me is understanding because you can learn and learn and learn, but to understand means you're, you've clicked into it. You're connected to it </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:39]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> IQ more in, on progress, but yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:42]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> So everyone, your friend, our beautiful friend, Joey is back Joey Krikorian.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Hello, Krikorian. If Persian people with Ian is how you do the last part. Krikorian welcome back, Joey, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:06:59]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> Thank you, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:01]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> happy to be here. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:07:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Here so excited for today. Everybody we're going to bake bread and we're going to make bread and break bread together. As we continue the conversation about how we express ourselves, our culture, and specifically speaking about the beautiful Armenian culture and the beautiful history and country that is Armenia and our beautiful sweet friend, Joey, going back to his roots, being Armenian bringing to the table, everything that, that entails and bringing back to our table, his great-grandfather and his great-grandmother.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Here we go. So today, We are talking about once again, the breaking of bread, our kids are here in the kitchen because they want it to be a part of this. So it's going to be a wild show. Hold on everyone. The last time we talked about this, not the after show, but the podcast that we did with you regarding the root of the matter, Joey, by the way, Joey, is a star geologist.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:02]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> I don't know how much of a star I am, but I am a Star Wars fan and geologists who, if you combine all of my passions and hobbies, we can put that together. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:13]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And he has this amazing podcast. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:16]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah, go ahead, babe. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Krypton to Alderaan. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:19]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> She did it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:08:20]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I did it right. I said, well done. Oh my God, I get so many things talking about mispronunciation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm always nervous because blaspheme I get Star Wars and Star Trek mixed up, like, okay, I, I apologize. Krypton to Alderaan. " Happy Apple Vegan," our friend, Wendy is into what you're talking about and your podcast as well. Shout out to Wendy. She's this amazing writer.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Amazing. She creates recipes. She's a dear friend of ours, very talented writer, reporter, amazing person, amazing all around person and her son, her husband, Dave, I'm telling you, you guys are going to be best friends. So much in common anyway, so she's totally into the Star Wars thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:09:08]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> Is she the person who commented on your posts on your Instagram posts about our episode? Yes. Yeah. That was really great to see. So thanks Wendy. And she also mentioned checking out, "A Hundred Year Walk," which is great to see. It's great to see people listening and taking stuff like that in.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So yeah, I'd love anybody who reads the book. I'd love to talk to anyone about it also in just a real quick aside in our new podcasters meeting this past week that Fawn and I are a part of our other podcast friend, John invited me on his podcast, Collecting Confidence. And he said he specifically wanted to record with me so that he could hear my chickens in the background.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I don't know if you guys can hear this right now, but. It's happening for you there? I'm in my kitchen. The coop is right outside the kitchen window here, and we have a rooster and he's going bonkers. It's very loud. So you're getting the full experience. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:11]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I have not heard him. Have </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:12]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> you heard him? No, not at all.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:15]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> Well, we see these zoom, maybe zoom noise, cancels, roosters. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm trying to listen.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I love chickens and roosters. They crack me up. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:30]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Well, yes, but we also don't hear them all the time. I don't know how I'd feel about it if I heard them all the time, but </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:10:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> the first time I heard a rooster like for real, I was in Ethiopia on a photo shoot in the middle of nowhere and to zip in and out of all the various different tents within tents that I had to keep away from the mosquitoes and what out, whatever else I'm afraid of the nature.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I heard the rooster and I had that cartoon image of a rooster. Like every time you hear a rooster, it means that they've seen the sun. So it's time to get up. I'm like, well, it's time to get up. And it took me forever to zip and unzip and zip, zip, zip, and put on my boots and everything and zip. So nothing gets into my tent.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then I walked out after all that effort, I'm like, it's pitch black out here. What is the rooster talking about? I looked at my watch. I'm like, oh my God, it's two in the morning. I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">was </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:26]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> waiting to go well-played </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:29]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Any other housekeeping before we start, are we ready to go </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:33]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> ready to </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:33]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> rock and roll?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">All right. We and our lovely daughters are here. Elle and Allegra are here ready to bake everybody. We're going to make and break bread together. I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:47]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> want to make, we should start a, I get on that shake and bake marketing, but make it make and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:11:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> break. There's a new podcast </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:00]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> and break.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:02]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> Perfect. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Our last show, we were talking about bridging the gaps with food and how food not only brings back memory, maybe the latent memory we didn't even know was there. If we can't get answers from our ancestors, from our great grandparents or parents, if we can't understand why we do what we do, how our ceremonies are brought about, where do things come from?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">This is what I discovered. If we get into the food and the preparation of food and how we do things and how we use certain spices or certain ingredients and why, and what's the meaning of this. I think that innate memory comes back to us by osmosis.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like, it will just get translated to you. It's not the word, osmosis </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:53]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> water or semipermeable memory, of course. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:12:58]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> But like I say it that way, because I had such a hard time in high school, like I would study study, study, and it would still get like a D or D minus. I never understood, like what, what is it? And then, and then, so I had another friend who is an artist like me and she was having the same trouble and we would cry, like, what's wrong with us?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We're studying. And these other guys don't even study and they get A's and so my friend said, I wish I had what they had because they must have some sort of osmosis happening. And ever since then, I'm like, yeah, OSMOSIS. Like we can just touch a book and we just understand</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">how to answer a questions on a quiz or a test, but anyway, I digress. So it's about the bridging of the gaps and, and how food is really our connector and that food, I love the way you said this last time, Joey, that food has become kind of like a destination thing. We were talking about Chinese food.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">We were talking about how in school we would get ridiculed or teased or bullied because of our different choice of food in our lunch bags. . They would make fun of us. And then Joey, you were saying last time that, part of you doesn't even want to share your food now, now that everybody's like into trying different types of food. By the way, are you hearing our Kettle? Sorry about that. You're going to hear all kinds of kitchen noise today. In the background. So we were talking about, yeah, initially we may feel like that, but once we work through it, we will be at a table again, sharing recipes, stories, scents, tastes and really coming back to understanding each other again and having that connection.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I think that's key that is key to friendship. It's also key to having a healthier, that is such a loud tea kettle. Having a healthier society. One where we can understand one </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">another.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:14:59]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> I think, I don't know if we were recording at this point, but we were talking a little bit earlier in this conversation about understanding and progress.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I think that's also a key to progress. Right? We have to, sometimes I, like I said, it in terms of like, I'm sort of a spiteful new Yorker and I'm like, no, this is mine now. You didn't want it before you can't have it now. Right. But perhaps getting past that within reason, you know, uh, and breaking bread, as we say is a key to progress.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:15:36]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Absolutely. More on the breaking bread. It's really interesting how throughout all cultures, if I'm correct, all cultures break bread, because the last time Matt, you were talking about the Bible and the Christian and Jesus, you know, the sharing, but I was saying, Hey, you know, on Shabbat Jewish people break bread, we have challah , which is this beautiful braided egg bread. Breaking bread regardless of where you're from for everyone, it is a spiritual ceremony done to connect, to welcome and to honor and that's what we're going to do today with the Gata bread, the Gata bread. Uh, you guys, I remember having this as a Persian kid because, you know, Persian Armenians, I always felt this, brotherhood sisterhood. So I loved the God of bread. It is this beautiful, sweet bread. And it's gorgeous to there was this one woman who found that these stamps go back, millennium, millenniums. How do you say it? Many millennia millennia, millennia.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Thank you. People usually think that bread, the baking bread came about like 10,000 years ago. Like archeologists are like, oh yeah, it's 10,000 years old. Well, this one woman archeologist, uh, her name guys. I'm going to mispronounce it. Bear with me and apologies in advance.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Uh, apologies major in advance. It's Amaia Arranz-Otaegui. This is how you spell her name. A M a I a and her last name, her family name is Arranz-Otaegui mispronouncing it again. Please forgive me. But the spelling is a R R a N Z dash O T a E G U I. She's an archeologist. She found breadcrumbs that are much, much older than the 10,000 years.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Previous archeologists have said, oh yeah, the bread is 10,000 years. She found you guys like, like crumbs that you find in a toaster. She found crumbs that go back 4,000 years before, so 14,000 years. But here's the thing when you were really trying to read as much about Armenian culture as possible, I've found that, Armenians, first of all, Armenians have been considering bread as a sacred food for centuries, starting from this second millennium BC. And they're the sweetest bread is this God of bread that we're making today. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:21]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> You know, it's interesting. We also have a braided sweet bread, like Challah. Choereg I think it's, I don't know how to pronounce it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yeah. It's like a sweet Easter bread and I believe sometimes it's braided in, sometimes it's not, but yeah. Very similar to, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:18:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Challah Challah . Yeah, absolutely. And it's interesting about the braiding and the stamping, because these are such ceremonial breads, everything means something like these stamps were meant to designate who the bread was going to or what family it was.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And the more the speaking of the Gata bread, that the more elaborate the designs that the more significant the ceremony or the relationship that people had that were making the bread or the bread was made for. It's really interesting. And so are you going to decorate yours today? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:18]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> I was thinking of, I don't have one of those stamps, but I was thinking of using the fork, you know, at the end, when it's all put together and just making a design on it as best I can, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:19:30]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I have been making our own stamps, but they're in the form of rings but those are packed away because I've, I'm always like let's move and I pack everything so packed away. I can't use them, but I think we can just draw our own and yeah. By the way, by the way, so,Amai a, she's from Denmark, the archeologist, I'm talking about the one who found the crumbs, you know, they also found, so we're using you and I are using Einkorn flour.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Last time I mentioned, when you asked what kind of flour should we use? And I'm like, really all purpose flour will do really, or any kind of flour, but we use Einkorn. And guess what guys, when she found this crumb, they found Einkorn</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> . Einkorn is an ancient grain. It is. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And know we know that, but like, wow, there it is like major ancient, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:22]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> except for can't you literally hear the snarky archeologist who thinks that it's newer than that going, oh, well it must not have been bread.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It must've been a bread topping on a key show or something. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:20:35]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm saying that, but listen to this. They found major sophisticated cooking and baking techniques and that they that's how they found the Einkorn mixed with the roots of club rush tubers it's a type of flowering plants. And then they also found wild mustard seeds scattered around the flavor. Of course. Yeah. But yeah, you say of course, by like, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> I'm smug like </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">that, ,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:03]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> we're talking about stone age, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and we're talking about, I mean, we always talk about, oh my God, the trade route and the spice route. And that's when spice came into the world. Um, no, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> um, I'm also thinking about what the brewers probably thought about Einkorn and all these other things and how sophisticated beers were in that era. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:24]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> I think a lot about beer when we're talking, you know, the history of beer.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">When we talk about stuff like this, it was really quiet. You know, how old beer is, what it was made with even the accidental fermentations and stuff like that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:21:39]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Right. And Joey, you brew your own beer. Right? Amazing. So, okay. Breaking bread: to break bread means to have a meal with someone. I found this quote and someone said it comes from the Bible, but I don't know the language doesn't seem, cause I have this quote over here, but it doesn't seem like biblical language.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It seems like models, but here in quotes, it's hard to remain enemies when you've broken bread together. Unquote and yeah, of course we talked about that train ride. Where w the racist people were yelling at the kid, remember from our last show you're talking about. Yeah. And, and so I found myself being the only non-white person on this train filled with people that were hating on Africa and anyone non-white.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so then I started to pass out cookies and everyone then was friendly, you know? Right. Okay, good. So this reminds me of that, but, uh, it's more than sharing food. It's about coming together despite the past. It's about bridging the gaps. It's about connecting the hearts, the stomachs and the stories, you know, and in Persian culture, when we talk about the heart, we talk about the stomach.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like, a term for I'm homesick or my, my heart is feeling pain emotionally. We say my stomach is tight. So it's interesting how different cultures will have different areas of the body where in like the American culture, we go for the heart. Right. I think, well, a lot of cultures talk about the heart Corazon, you know, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">To combine all of that, the heart, the stomach, bringing the stories together, becoming whole, like whole one through all that nourishes us, all that nourishment, that's what it means, the breaking bread. I think breaking bread for me is a way to break the resistance and the not knowing of our stories.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">When we break bread, when we sit at a table together, it brings about conversation. And even if we're not talking, the sharing of a meal, the sharing of something that you're tasting, you're feeling the scent of; you're smelling. All those senses come back to us. The latent stories we're searching for, that's when it all comes back.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And especially since we have friends at the table and we're sitting around one another and experiencing these tastes together, I think that through our collective consciousness, we can make sense out of life. We can figure things out and we can understand better. You know, you guys know what I'm talking about </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:24:31]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> 100%.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I do. And I think, you know, I don't really put this stuff together. Maybe that's maybe that's a little bit everyone these days. It's not until someone says something that it really clicks in my brain. I'm like, yeah. You know, Y that makes a lot of sense. And why doesn't it make a lot of sense to more people?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">But I think, you know, it's something that I don't know if it's a generational thing or if it's obviously life gets very busy and people start renovating houses or start having kids. And, and it's easy to like make a quick meal and just eat and get on with the day. But something that I've started considering more lately, and especially with like a Fawn, you recommended Taste the Nation show.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yes. And I think shows like that, do this kind of thing really well, where it's very interesting and you're like, you meet people from all over and, get introduced to their foods and what the food means to their culture, but it really allows you to see how to think about food and everything. And I like you can sit down and what the food means and really think about it and have this bread breaking opportunity, which is such a familial personal thing between people, but also between people and the food.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I think that's very important and you don't like don't watch. Well watch whatever you want, but I don't like, I'm not a big fan of like the kitchen angry drama, reality, you know, I can't stand </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:10]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> that stuff. Always have war in the title. Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:26:14]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> Which is why I love, maybe I talked about this on the last episode, but it's why I love great British baking show because it's such a nice show.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I really, really don't like competition shows. It's just me. I just don't like competition shows, but that show, it's just really nice to see nice people, but with something like Taste the Nation and other shows like that, where people are going around to other people and being introduced to the culture and the food makes it so much more personal, you know, and so much.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And, and just inspires me to just sit down and have a meal and enjoy the meal and think about the food and what it means and where it came from and have that interaction with the food, as well as the people that I'm breaking bread with or breaking lamb with or whatever it is, absolutely coffee. Like we could just, I could just go on and on about.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:27:11]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I love this topic and yeah. Have you noticed how there's so much noise and anger and they do use the word war a lot, the war of cupcake cupcake wars, or, you know, and it's really interesting because years ago when Martha Stewart was showing what was up, like when she was cooking, it was so relaxing to watch. There wasn't all this noise to gain attention of someone. It was just calm. One of our friends, a teacher, she taught kindergarten and first grade in Los Angeles in neighborhoods that were going through so much turmoil and violence. And these kids, guess what their favorite kind of thing was to watch on TV, Martha Stewart, a cooking show that was very calm.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Because it does talk about everything that we're talking about today, that connection it's that sense of peace. And it's the sense of nourishment just calm and peaceful. When you have food around it, shouldn't be about noise and hurry, hurry, hurry. And who's the best at this,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and the competition. When you have food around, it's a signal to you in so many ways that all is well, we have food here. It is safe enough for us to bake or cook something right now, because we're not on the run. We can just come to the very moments that exist right now and have everything immersed, all your senses immersed in this one particular thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">It's so meditative. Young kids know that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">One of my favorite shows for some reason is Family Feud. Like I just, it's the only, we're totally obsessed, but I don't like competition.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Matt knows. And I didn't know what a Chewbacca was, but like when Matt and I first met. Um, our friend, our friend and Matt called me Chewbacca. And you, you, you actually called me a Wookie and then I got angry, even more angrier than I was, because I thought you guys were calling me a rookie. I didn't know what a Wookie was.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I'm like, how dare you. I'm not a rookie. I have experienced. You explained what a Wookie was the character that if they lose they'll, they'll take your arm off because I don't like competition games. I feel all the injustices in the world when I play even monopoly, I can't do it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I can't, I can't to lose for me, I feel all the injustices, not just the ones that my culture has felt, but like everybody else's. And especially if I'm playing, forgive me for sounding so racist, but especially when I'm playing with white people, I can't, I want to destroy everything around me if I'm losing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then if I'm winning, it's even worse probably because, I'll stand up and like, you know, Beat my chest and go, "I WIN!"You hear that, "I won! I won!</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:21]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Good winner. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:22]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It's not pretty, so I don't like to play games, but have you noticed going back to family feud, Matt's like, Hey guys, let's look at the original Family Feud from the seventies.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And we looked at that, we're like, first of all, we were totally disgusted by the host </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:39]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Richard Dawson</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:40]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and how he would practically be French kissing every single person, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:45]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> every single woman. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:30:46]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yes, woman. And they were subjected to that forceful kiss. It was it's disgusting. Also another thing that I didn't like was the, the muted colors of the 1970s and it was boring.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It was like, I was not engaged. I'm like, Ugh, I don't like family feud now, but it's because the family feud now is much glitzier and more colorful. It's more respectful towards women, but it's, It's flashier and it's more engaging because there's more color and more sound. But having said that, I don't appreciate all that sound in all these cooking shows and all the competition that we feel in life.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like, why is that necessary? Why are they perpetuating that kind of violence? You know? And then I was watching this other show where they go through the decades, they start from the 1940s and they take this one family. Have you seen this show? You guys, they take this one family and they transform their home depending on what the decade is and what exactly year it is.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So the 19 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, they go through every year and each time the family comes home, something in their home has been transformed </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> or all of a sudden, maybe they have a dishwasher where they didn't have one before and they make them dress, period. Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:32:08]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Period. They have to do everything according to that exact year.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And everyone has to play along with that role. So the woman was always in the kitchen, the men were not allowed to come into the kitchen and help her. She had to make everything start eating and there were no appliances. And then the government told you what to eat. And then you also had rations.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so when you go from year to year, you start noticing the mood of the culture and the mood of the society and how tough things were for people especially for women. You see the family dynamic change. As we got more appliances and we got things more easy to obtain things got lighter.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Like we got, like in the 1950s, things were a little bit lighter, but not for the woman and the 1960s, things changed and you could go out to eat actually in the late fifties you would go out to eat. And the Chinese restaurant was a huge role in that, because you talk about this on your show.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I think Joey, about how it's in other cooking shows that we, like, they talk about how Chinese food was seen as the cheap food. Right? Yeah. But it shouldn't be that way. It should be honored. And why does it have to be that way? You see how people's relationships change around food and how now we don't even have meals together even as a family.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Well, we didn't definitely before the pandemic, I feel like we were a very strange family because we do everything from scratch. You know, we always laugh because when we talk about the 1940s, I'm like, oh my God. I'm like from the 1940s, because a good portion of my life is in the kitchen. Cause I make everything from scratch, everything.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And so I'm always in here and it's hard, but you see how people get so disconnected because now they have so much at their fingertips. There's so much distraction. And even these families that are from modern times, they were like, yeah, I actually miss the connection I had with my daughters in the kitchen because we had bonding time.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So once again, it comes back to food and the ceremony of it all and how we gather and how fathers, their roles have changed. Fathers would not be changing diapers like our generation. I think maybe our dads maybe started to change some diapers. Right? When we had kids, Matt and I would fight over who got to change Elle's diaper or Allegra's diaper or who got to carry them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And remember, we would fight about who would carry Elle in the Bjorn? The baby Bjorn. I want to carry it's my turn. And so a dad would never do that. So things are changing. And now, hello, look at us now it's Matt and Joey we're in the kitchen together. We're doing this together.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Things are finally getting mixed again in a good way where we can truly sit at the table and cook together and eat together and break bread together. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:26]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So we actually going to start, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:35:28]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> okay. This recipe for the Gata bread is by Andrew Janjigian. I'm going to read the whole thing</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">so we have no surprises. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">For the dough, this is what we need. We need 10 ounces of all purpose flour. You and I Matt, are going to useEinkorn flour. 10 ounces is usually two cups plus two tablespoons, 285 grams.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Next is one and a quarter teaspoon of instant yeast. That would be five grams of instant yeast</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">one eighth teaspoon baking soda,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">two teaspoons of salt, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">five ounces, which is 10 tablespoons, 140 grams of unsalted softened butter, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">two ounces, sugar. That's a quarter cup, which is 60 grams, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">five ounces, about two thirds cup, 140 grams of plain Greek yogurt, whole or low fat. We're using vegan yogurt </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">and you need one large egg lightly beaten. That would be 55 grams. And so instead of the egg, because we're vegan, we're using three tablespoons of aquafaba, which is the liquid when you cook beans, we're using chickpeas, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:53]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> Fresh right from outside my door. Is it blue? So pretty? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:36:59]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh my God, it's so beautiful. So one large for each egg, you need three tablespoons of aquafaba. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Now we're going to have filling in this bread. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">This is for the filling. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You need three ounces of walnuts. That's 85 grams, lightly toasted or coarsely chopped, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">two and a half ounces about one half cup. Half cup, 70 grams, all purpose flour,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">two ounces. Again, two ounces would be a quarter cup, 60 grams sugar,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">a quarter teaspoon of salt, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">two ounces, which is four tablespoons or 60 grams of unsalted melted butter, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">two teaspoons vanilla extract. That would be 10 milliliters. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">and then to finish and bake it, we need one large egg lightly beaten with a pinch of salt.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So what I do is I take the aquafaba one egg version and I put a little bit of saffron and tumeric to make that yellow color. I beat it and then I brush it with that. Okay. I'm going to read the directions and then we're going to do it our way. Okay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Don't panic. Okay. It's going to be fun. So directions:</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">for the dough in a medium bowl, whisk together flour, yeast, baking soda and salt.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">In a large bowl using a stiff rubber spatula, vigorously stir butter and sugar together to form a uniform paste, add flour mixture to butter mixture. Wipe out bowl that had the flour mixture. Lightly grease with cooking spray or butter and set aside. Using the spatula followed by hands mix flour and butter mixtures together until even cornmeal like mixture forms.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So about one to two minutes, then you add step two, as you add the yogurt and the egg using spatula followed by hands, stir until stiff, even though forms, about two minutes. Transfer dough to the prepared lightly greased, medium bowl and cover tightly. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You guys, what I do is I buy shower caps, you know, those shower caps that you could even get.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">When you go to a hotel room, I save those. I, I wash them and then I cover the bowls with those shower caps. Okay. So let sit at room temperature for 30 minutes, then transfer to the refrigerator and chill for at least four hours and up to 16 hours. Okay. So we're going to do all this. And then, during the four hours, we're going to take a break, but come back. It'll be like one continuous stream episode.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Okay step three, for the filling you guys for the filling, I'm deviating a little bit because I'm adding dates, walnuts, cardamom, cinnamon, and a little butter. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">So step three for the filling. Andrew says in a medium bowl, stir together and walnuts, flour, sugar, and salt, add butter and the vanilla extract and using a rubber spatula stir until the clumpy paste forms and no dry flour remains.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Cover and store at room temperature until we're ready to assemble. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Step four, according to Andrew to finish and bake, adjust oven rack to middle position preheat oven to 375 degrees, Fahrenheit in Celsius, that would be 190 Celsius. Transfer dough to clean lightly floured surface and dust top of dough lightly with flour using your hands gently press dough to an even six inch circle. Adding flour to both sides of dough as needed to prevent sticking while pinching closed any major cracks that form. Using a rolling pin roll into a 12 inch circle about quarter inch thick.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Step 5: place filling in center of dough and using clean hands and rubber spatula, spread into an even five inch round desk. Leaving three and a quarter inch border of dough on all sides. Starting at one edge using your hands, fold and pleat dough over filling toward center.. Working your way around like a disk. Pinch and press pleats together to fully enclose filling. Press top of dough, gently to form an even six inch round. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Invert, so seam side is facing down and using a rolling pin gently roll into an even nine inch round. Transfer to a rimmed baking sheet lined with parchment paper or a silicone baking mat. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Step six, we're almost done. Pinch dough around the edge of the Gata between the index finger of one hand and thumb and index finger of the other hand to form decorative points spaced about one inch apart. Brush top and sides evenly with egg wash. Using a fork drag flat, underside, a fork across top to form groove lines in a crisscross pattern spaced about one inch apart.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So I guess this is when he's decorating it, and this is when we would use stamps or something, uh, using a toothpick poke eight to 10 evenly spaced holes in top of dough stopping when you reach the failing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Bake until evenly golden brown, 28 to 35 minutes, rotating baking sheet after 20 minutes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Step seven, last step: transfer, baking sheet to wire rack, and cool for at least 20 minutes.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And then you slice it into wedges and you serve and you enjoy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Let's start, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:43:20]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> um, if I may. Yeah. And you may very well want to edit me first of all, definitely post the, uh, are you going to be posting the recipe on the blog as well as perhaps </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:43:32]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> pictures? So I was going to say that I'm going to be using the unaltered, recipe from Andrew Janjigian on Serious Eats.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And there are pictures. Yes. Okay. The recipe, which is very helpful. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:43:48]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I will leave links to not only Joey, but to Andrew. As far as following the vegan version that we're doing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">, it's all in the transcripts. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Let's get started.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">We need </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:00]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> sound appropriately. I have the recipe pulled up on my phone and my phone is being supported upright by a pomegranate.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So it's all very, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:13]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> yes, it is appropriate. The pomegranate runs deep in our culture, Joey. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:20]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> Yes. Well, it's on the cover of many, a cookbook from that region of the world </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:25]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> runs strong in Greece too.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:29]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> There are pomegranates in architecture everywhere. Well, there's, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:32]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> there's a hold </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:44:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> on. It. There's a famous Greek myth about it and it involves why we have winter. And we have winter because when the daughter of some such goddess was, taken down to H E double hockey sticks, she ate three pomegranate seeds, dunk dunk, and that's why the ancient Greeks believed we had winter, but it was strictly speaking, pomegranate seeds.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">God helped me. I love folklore. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:03]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> I am putting on my, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:05]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> uh, it's lovely, by the </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:06]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> way, my apron that I got at the Armenian festival that we talked about on the last episode now he's covered in pomegranate decoration. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Thanks for reminding me. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:19]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah. Um, thanks for </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> reminding me. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:22]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> We have a hard time with, uh, like very like intricate or pretty, aprons here because we tend to wear through them.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And when I say we, of course, I mean my wife on, cause you know, I wear aprons, but yeah, I'm not the one wearing them out. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:40]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Much like, um, cookbooks. I have an apron fetish. Like I can't get enough aprons. I love them. And I've packed most of them away. But </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> one specifically that was like commercial it's denim it's yeah.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Very heavy duty. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:45:54]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> Yeah, because literally my first, this is my first non let's see, like non what's, the right word. I'm </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:03]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> not sure what you're calling functional. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:06]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> I had an apron, like I used to do welding and stuff like that. So not that kind of, it, this is my first cooking apron. Gotcha. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:16]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Nice. Joey. I have, some aprons that I will wear out in public because they are like a, kind of like a Japanese design where it's like a dress that goes all the way around and has deep, deep pockets.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I love it. It's a dress. Oh, how are we going to do this? Oh my gosh.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:33]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> Flour baking, soda and salt flour. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:38]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Matt, can you take out the use from the fridge it's in the drawer? Yes. Al do you know where the, the yeast is?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:48]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> You guys actually want to see Joey or start getting crazy </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:52]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> and say, hi, Joey, Joey, this is all Allegra Allegra here.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:46:59]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> How are you doing good. Thanks. That's good. Making some bread with your mom and dad and you too also, I guess we're all in it together. Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:17]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah. I guess we are. , anyway, I'm going to give you back to mom.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You good? No, it's in a bigger bag. Okay. Sorry.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">They can't find anything in the kitchen, Joey. I have to go get it. Sure. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:33]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> I'll uh, keep the audience entertained. I'm whisking. We're on step one. I guess I'm halfway through step one.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:43]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:47:49]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> You know what? We'll, everyone's away for those listening.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Go subscribe to Krypton to Alderaan and listen to a few episodes and let me know what you think unless you don't like it. And then I guess don't let me know or whatever you want to do.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:04]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Sorry. We're trying to look. We're trying to look for some yeast, sorry. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:09]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> Sure. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:10]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Minor technical issue. Okay. Okay. So where are </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:16]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> we at? And I completed half of step one. Nice. I suppose I can move on to the second half of the step. Now I'll wait for you all,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> as things are falling and noises being had. Yes. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:37]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Okay, Joey, um, I have the dry in the bowl. Where are you at? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:43]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> I have mixed the butter and sugar together to form a uniform paste. And I have whisked together, the flour, yeast, baking soda and salt.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Although I haven't added the flour to the butter yet </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:48:56]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> are way ahead of me. So I just, I have not done the butter, but I have put the flour together with the yeast.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Okay, so a little, I have some more, I'm not sure this is not working the way I imagined because our table is so small and there's all this audio equipment and stuff I'm afraid of spilling everywhere. So let's see, how should I do this? Should I have the girls do it Allegra? Can you make the butter mixture?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Joey, how did you do this so fast? I'm going to go do the butter. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:49:39]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> Let me know when you want me to add the flour and the butter together. We'll do that at a </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:49:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> we'll do it together together. Yeah. Awesome. Okay. Carry on guys.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:49:50]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Um, do you want me to get you a longer microphone? Cord bay? Nope. All right. Fair enough. Um, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:49:57]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> I do, well, go ahead. I was just going to say Matt and anyone else out there listening this coming week , I have an episode, a Krypton to Alderaan episode coming out this week, a one-on-one episode where I talk to someone really about how much star wars means to them and why they take star wars</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">so seriously, you know, it's one of the people in my life who, who does, you know, say star wars is a religious for them, you know, it's and to a lot of us star wars means so much to so many. I mean, I can talk about it. I joke around about it, but it's really, uh, an incredible thing that has permeated pop culture for so long.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And people growing up with it, people identifying with it in different ways, or people unable to identify it, identify with it, or it does not identify with them. So it's, it's a truly complex system and it means so many different things to so many people. So Matt specifically, I'd be interested for you to listen to this next episode and then let me know what you think.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I also think, you know, it's part of what I'm trying to do with my show, which is like introduce other people's perspectives. And so I don't, it it's impossible for me to have had the relationship with star wars that this person has had, but listening to their perspective and understanding it, I think is huge and something that the rest of the fandom would be keen to start </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:51:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> doing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. And, and I totally get it. I think it probably evolves a lot from when were you first exposed to it and then how much were you exposed to it? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:51:45]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> I have this horrible, uh, Habit of bringing everything to star wars or bringing Star Wars to everything, but to bring it back to the topic that we're discussing here as part of your podcast and Fawn's podcast, Star Wars for me, the storytelling has become so much about found family.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And that's something that I a couple of years ago didn't connect with. And again, hearing all of these different perspectives has really opened my eyes to it makes me see all the stories in a new way. And I think it's, I've been trying to identify why I connect with those stories so well, whether it's found family in Star Wars or any other, content I consume.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And part of it, I think is like what I talked about on the last episode we all recorded with trying to figure out my family history, trying to figure out my family and trying to identify with being Armenian, you know, everything we discussed on the last episode. And I really think that that's a big part of why I'm connecting with all of these found family stories.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:52:53]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> So does this mean that you secretly root for you secretly we're rooting for, uh, Boba to or Django even to destroy the rebel Alliance and the, all the rest of it. Cause there's a, there's a, a family broken </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:53:07]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> right there. Yeah. And, and it's such a heartbreaking, it's like another thing that people talk about so much these days is like keep politics out of Star Wars, which is insane because Star Wars was founded on politics.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Absolutely. Just don't don't trust </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:53:26]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> big gov, baby. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:53:27]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> How does that explain </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:53:29]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> that to me, Lucas grew up in this, um, you know, kind of Vietnamish era and he didn't trust big government and you see that happening in the second trilogy where he was given, or he took complete control over everything, but he kept hinting at it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">You know, the last remnants of the old Republic had been swept away is in the first star wars movie. And it just kind of, you can, you can zoom in on it if you want and you can ignore it if you want, but it's right there. Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:54:01]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> Yeah. And, and calling </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:54:02]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> them</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:54:05]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> the politics of war, you know, storm troopers for crying out loud, but, but you know, all the way up to nuance. And I think you can, uh, you can take a lot of world war two Vietnam. You can make a lot of world war II, Vietnam connections to the original trilogy, and you can make a lot of. Uh, recent war, you know, in our world, recent war connections to the sequel trilogy, of course.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I think, you know, there's so much of that in every star wars with, and now with Boba Fett and the Jedi, at that point in time where the protectors of the galaxy, but, you know, murdered his father in front of him, right. The clone, you know, he's a clone and they treated the clones, like nothing, they treated the clones, like</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:54:55]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> disposable</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:54:55]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> expendable soldiers.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And, you know, there's all that stuff. But I think to go back that that's just a huge connection I make now, again, I, I spoke in our, like, after whatever bonus conversation we had about Leah seeing Alderaan blown up and the genocide committed and then not talking about it. And that being akin to the trauma of genocide, right.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">That generation that goes through genocide and witnesses genocide does not talk about it. Right. For the most part, because it was such a, obviously such a traumatic experience.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:55:31]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> It hit me when I was so young, it was just like, I just didn't kind of think about it. And you know, when they say it was like a million voices silenced at once, it's like, no, it wasn't.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It was billions of voices. Yeah. You know, it's, it's, it's way more but pure escapist entertainment. So let's just ignore that. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:55:52]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> Oh yeah. I think that that's a big part. Like it's, it's what you can hear me say, Hey, I host a podcast called Krypton to Alderaan, we talk all about nerdy, pop culture stuff, but it's mostly star wars and on its face it's yeah.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Star wars. It's this pop culture, now blockbuster type thing. If you listen to my podcasts or other pod, better podcasts than mine talking about this much better than I can. There's just so much more to it. And it's meant so much to so many people. And it's so much more than I, if, and it's something there truly is just every level of something for everyone, if you want it to be escapism.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yeah. Great. That's great. If you want to know deeper meanings about it and what it means to people, or if you want to share the deeper things that it means to you, then that's also great. And let's go for it. If anyone out there wants to talk about star wars in a deep way, reach out and let's have a conversation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I love hearing what Star Wars means to other people. Absolutely. And by the way, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:57:03]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Not to do this, but to do this, a Stormtrooper Stormtrooper was the name Adolf Hitler gave his troops. They were stormtroopers or, yeah. And on and on and on. And so for Lucas to pick that name, it was very, we want to make sure everybody understood, like, like my father would always say in the first five minutes of star wars, you know who the bad guys are.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's pretty simple. You got this guy in all black, who's choking, choking people, they're going after a ship and they're all dressed in armor that you can't tell what they really look like. And on and on and on. It's like, you know who the bad guys are. Right. It's simple. He didn't have to paint you a huge picture about it, or rather he did paint you a huge picture, but it was really fast.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And you, you got it right away. Yeah. It's like, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:57:48]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> no, actually we haven't, uh, hopefully we haven't lost anybody. I promise all of this conversation is related to the other stuff we're talking about here. You know, bigger world, bigger picture stuff, genocide. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:58:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I mean, as a non star wars person, as I'm like going crazy in the kitchen right now, I totally get it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If I get it, I think, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:58:15]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> , let's circle back to the baking of bread, the breaking of bread. And let's talk about how </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:58:21]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> can you, can you pause, do not lose your concentrate. Can you hold it, hold it. Can you hold it? You guys, I took a fork and I, I did the butter sugar mixture, and then I added rosewater </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:58:35]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> to it, of course, because we had rosewater or rather Fawn adds rose.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:58:39]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> And then I took the flour mixture that we had set aside and I sprinkled some cardamom and a little cinnamon. And again, I don't measure Matt measures like a crazy scientist </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:58:51]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> back to rosewater cardamom and some </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:58:53]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> cinnamon, well, cardamom finds its way in everything, by the way, rosewater, what we're talking about is food grade.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And we're talking about specifically for us. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:59:01]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It's it's, um, C O R T a S rosewater, and that's the good stuff and it is the best. Um, it is amazing. I put in tea, I put it in all the pastries I make. I'm put in rice. I, splash it on my forehead when I need extra and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:59:20]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> it smells nice. It tastes a little sweet, it tastes sweet and it smells really nice because it smells kind of, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:59:28]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> the scent is absolutely beautiful.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">I just put like a couple of splashes of rosewater into the butter mixture. So now it's a paste of butter sugar and rosewater. And now what we're going to do is take this with a spatula and put it into the flour mixture that we have, incorporating it until you have a full dough.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:59:53]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> I am adding the flour to the butter </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[00:59:55]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Have your yogurt ready? So we have five ounces of yogurt and the one large egg. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">When we form the dough, we want a clean bowl that is greased. Oh yes. Okay. Um, Joey, how did you do everything so fast? You're way ahead of me.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:00:14]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Probably softened </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:00:17]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> I had, before we got on the call, I had measured everything out and have a line of bowls here. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:00:25]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I should have done that. I did not</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:00:26]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> all </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">set up with everything in it. Also, speaking of measuring and Fawn, not measuring and Matt measuring. I have these awesome measuring spoons that are for smidgen, you know?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Oh, I love that.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:00:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> It says tad. Well, that's </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:00:48]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> Tad. Let's say tad dash pinch and smidgen. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:00:53]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I love it. Oh my God. They're adorable. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:00:56]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And I've, I've actually, I've seen similar things for sure. And that's just for, for us pathological folk out there. I wanted to launch into smell, smell for those of you who don't know.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Smell is so connected for memory, especially with us fellows, we remember smells and we may not know exactly where we remember the smells from, but we connect. We oftentimes will connect, smells to emotions. It's a powerful thing. For me, it was like one of the things that attracted me, to my wife was the way she smelled.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">There you go. There you go. And I used to, I used to, she claims, I used to smell the top of her head when we were in Aikido, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:01:41]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I would hear him sniffing my head.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:01:45]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> Let's from watching all that family feud. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:01:47]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It was, it was respectful, breathing. He was, I, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:01:54]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> you, I got nothing to say folks. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:01:58]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I had no idea that I loved you yet, but, but I would make sure that I had a certain Aveda product in my hair before coming into Aikido</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:02:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> but she didn't know she liked me folks know, but anyways, so smell is so powerful. So, Joey, how does your mixture smell so </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">far? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:02:18]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> It smells great. It smells like I'm getting a whiff of cinnamon at the moment. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:02:23]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Nice. I have a belief that when I try certain foods that I'll remember, and I don't know if it's me remembering, my life or it's me trying to remember something that I desperately want to or whatever it is, but there, there have been certain foods and certain places that evoke memories that I, I'm not conscious of because </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:02:45]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> of the smell.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Matt, did you finish what you were saying before, before we started talking about the dough? I said, don't. I said, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:02:53]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> yeah, that was, that was my thought. So, so far, what do you smell in your, in </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:02:57]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> your, I smell rosewater, cardamom, cinnamon and flower. And when I first met you, I could smell our children. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> <span style="font-size:large;">Your scalp reminded me of baby formula. I smell like a baby, but like, those are, see the, those are the innate memories I'm talking about. Like, I could sniff our children from you. Um, and then when Joey and I first had our like heart-to-heart conversation and we were talking about his grandfather, I was like, Joey, can you tell me what you smell when you think of your great-grandfather?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And he started to get emotional. And then we, we kind of went off to another topic, but going back to that, Joey, when you think of growing up and when you think of your history, can you try to conjure up scents? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:03:51]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> Yes. In short, quick aside, have you added the yogurt and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:03:57]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> I'm still, mixing the butter mixture and the flour together. Yeah. Someone needs to read the directions. Well, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:04:05]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> and my childhood, I think it's something I've been thinking about since you first asked me and with my grandfather, who was the Armenian that I grew up with, uh, to reiterate, you know, we didn't talk about it and we didn't have Armenian food. So there was never the smell of that stuff. Cooking. We always had stuffed grape leaves always. So there was always that with some lemon juice and I can taste that, and I know what that smells like. Other than that, there was nothing, but the Italian side of stuff is what I can smell.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And I grew up with these people, they were a huge part of my upbringing. And if I think about it, I can smell the smells of that Italian matriarch kitchen. Right. And yeah, it's just an incredible emotional response. And it's great because I loved those people and I loved the food and I love good Italian food and I can smell the smells and the smells we're just in the house.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Right. That stuff becomes part of the house. Right. And, but, so it's a great memory. It's also a little sad because I don't have that with the Armenian side of things. I'm making that now, I guess like when I'm making any of the recipes from these Armenian cookbooks and using these spices. I'm making those connections now.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:05:34]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> In a romanticized world, I want to say that, at some point you'll go encounter, you'll make you'll and it'll bring strange memories or to bring strange thoughts into your head. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:05:50]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> You know, if we ever get out of COVID </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:05:56]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> yes indeed, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:05:58]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> maybe a group of us should go down to Denver.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">If y'all are into that. Because there is apparently an Armenian bakery down in Denver, or I could go and then bring stuff up to Boulder. But, uh, Laurel, I went there for me when she was down in Denver. Once I have not been there, but I'd love to go in and smell the smells and talk to people and stuff. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:06:19]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> Yeah. I could, I could totally see.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:06:22]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> You know, one of our listeners was telling me that she's from Texas. When she heard us talking about the scents and the spices, she's like, I need to get more.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">So she was on her way. She told me she emailed me, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:06:35]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> A variety of sumac also grows wild in my hometown, in New York. wow. I'm definitely going to go and harvest some this summer. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:06:45]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> And this is definitely not poison Sumach, which is apparently it's strange non don't even think about eating kind of a thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">Yeah. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:06:54]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> I grew up thinking it was poison sumac and I think that's a common thought in that town or in that area. It turns out that it's not, and it's delicious and it's you, my friends own a winery in the town and they make this soda with it. It's just really good.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">I </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:07:10]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> wow. I could, I could totally see that. Yeah. sumac on your rice is definitely one of those staples, I think in our, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:07:19]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> um, well, I'm just going to say meat. We don't eat me, but like you sprinkle it over a kebab, you know, like we make vegan versions, but like over meat, chicken, beef, you sprinkle </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:07:34]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> eggs the other morning.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It's just good on everything. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:07:38]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yes. But don't see, like, I don't like cooking it like all, oh, you know, only raw when the food is done, you sprinkle it on top. You guys, I missed everything. Did I, am I doing this right? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:07:51]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> So did you add the yogurt and the eggs? </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:07:53]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> Yeah, I took, I took the quote unquote egg mixture and put it into, the yogurt mixed it up and then I put it into the dough mixture.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:08:04]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> All right. I'm going to do that </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:08:05]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> now. It seems really wet. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:08:08]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> Um, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:08:09]</span> <span style="color:#d82292;"><strong>Matt:</strong></span> we haven't, you haven't done the flower yet, right? It's in the flour. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:08:12]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> This is sweet. I don't know if I did it wrong guys. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:08:16]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> Let me see. His picture looks like. a dough like not super wet, but let me see what happens when I, um, I meant to bring this up.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">The whole reason I bought sumac in the first place was to make muhammara </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:08:32]</span> <span style="color:#fa8a3b;"><strong>Fawn:</strong></span> explain what that is. Joey, </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;"><span style="color:#808080;">[01:08:33]</span> <span style="color:#00d1b2;"><strong>Joey:</strong></span> do you know what it is, Fawn? It's a Syrian roasted red pepper spread like a hummus, but made no chickpeas it's made with roasted red pepper. Yeah. So it's roasted red pepper, sumac, Sumach, a bread crumbs, various spices.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">It is in incredible. The first time I had it, I just like ha it was, it was an experience like I'm sure that there were stars in my eyes. It was the greatest thing I ever tasted. I went to the place. There was, I worked in Albany, New York and there was this little bodega deli kind of thing with, I believe they were an Armenian and older Armenian couple.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:large;">And she, the