What it Means To Be Human

Reality is Classified | Jeff Nuccatelli on UAP Secrecy

Dan Zetterstrom / Double Barrel — Thu, 16 Apr 2026 19:15:00 +0000

In 2025, former Air Force military police officer Jeff Nuccatelli sat before Congress under oath and said something most governments never want to admit: reality may be classified. In this episode of What It Means to Be Human, Dan speaks with Jeff about the UAP incursions he witnessed while stationed at Vandenberg Air Force Base,

UFOs Are Just the Latest Costume | Joshua Cutchin on Fairies, Fiction & the Phenomenon

Dan Zetterstrom / Double Barrel — Fri, 10 Apr 2026 19:34:45 +0000

In this episode of What It Means to Be Human, Dan sits down with Joshua Cutchin — folklorist, paranormal researcher, composer, and one of the most original thinkers working in the strange today. Joshua has spent years tracing the hidden threads between UFOs, fairy lore, near-death experiences, altered states, ghost stories, and the deep symbolic structures that shape human experience. His work asks an unsettling but increasingly unavoidable question: what if these phenomena are not separate at all, but different expressions of the same underlying mystery? Together, Dan and Joshua explore the strange feedback loop between fiction and reality, and why stories may do more than […]

Thomas Jane Is Looking for Answers | Reality, NHI & The Hard Problem of Consciousness

Dan Zetterstrom / Double Barrel — Wed, 01 Apr 2026 17:20:21 +0000

In this episode of What It Means to Be Human, Dan sits down with Thomas Jane, actor, writer, and researcher… to explore a topic that sits at the edge of science, philosophy, and human identity: non-human intelligence and the limits of reality itself. This isn’t a conversation about lights in the sky. It’s about something far deeper. Thomas shares how a personal experience in 2011 shattered his worldview and sent him down a path of studying UFO phenomena, consciousness, and the nature of perception. Together, they explore: • Why our brains may be interfaces, not truth-tellers • The idea that consciousness could be fundamental, […]

A UFO Theory that Changes Everything: Chains of the Sea

Dan Zetterstrom / Double Barrel — Wed, 25 Mar 2026 02:38:35 +0000

This week, Dan takes a deep dive into Chains of the Sea — a little-known sci-fi novella from the 1970s that has quietly shaken the UFO world after being recommended by former Pentagon insider Lue Elizondo. On the surface, it’s a story about alien contact. But underneath, it presents something far more unsettling: Through the lens of this story, we explore a radically different framework for the phenomenon — one that moves beyond “nuts and bolts” craft and into something stranger, more abstract, and potentially far more disturbing. Could UFOs be polymorphic, shapeshifting intelligences? Could reality itself be layered in ways we don’t perceive? […]

UAP Update: Obama, Trump and the New Dirty Disclosure

Dan Zetterstrom / Double Barrel — Sat, 14 Mar 2026 15:04:06 +0000

This week, Dan and Roz dig into the strange new phase of UFO disclosure, starting with Trump’s claim that Barack Obama revealed classified information about aliens. From there, they trace the bigger picture: Obama’s long history of carefully provocative UFO comments, the buried records sitting in the Obama presidential library, and why Trump’s promise to “release the files” may be less straightforward than it sounds. Along the way, they unpack the difference between release and declassify, ask whether this is genuine transparency or dirty disclosure, and explore what Congress, Gillibrand, and the wider UFO community are actually doing with the moment. Also in this episode: This […]

UFO Encounters and the Stories Behind Blue Book with Michael Avon Oeming #paranormal #comics

Dan Zetterstrom / Double Barrel — Wed, 04 Mar 2026 19:03:31 +0000

What can comic books teach us about UFO encounters? In this episode, Dan speaks with Eisner and Harvey Award–winning comic creator Michael Avon Oeming, known for his work on Powers, Thor, and Hellboy. Michael joins the show to discuss his acclaimed series Blue Book and Red Book, which bring real UFO cases to life through powerful visual storytelling. Together they explore some of the most fascinating mysteries in UFO history. From the Betty and Barney Hill abduction to the strange events of Dyatlov Pass, sightings in China and Russia, and the challenge of separating fact from myth in the world […]

A Second Chance at Goodbye with Roz Mugford

Dan Zetterstrom / Double Barrel — Fri, 27 Feb 2026 14:39:37 +0000

What if death isn’t the end? And what if love finds a way to reach us anyway? In this deeply personal episode of Contact, producer and co-host Roslyn Mugford shares her own story. After the passing of her stepdad Jack in January 2024, Roz experienced something she still struggles to fully explain — a vivid dream filled with overwhelming love and what felt like an unspoken apology. Hours later, she learned he had died during the night. What followed were moments that felt less like coincidence and more like connection: signs, synchronicities, and eventually, birds landing gently in her hand […]

Michael Ian Black on UFOs, Consciousness, and Peter Thiel

Dan Zetterstrom / Double Barrel — Wed, 18 Feb 2026 19:58:47 +0000

What happens to the human story if we get conclusive proof we’re not alone? This week, we’re joined by comedian, actor, writer, and podcaster Michael Ian Black (Wet Hot American Summer, Have I Got News For Your Ears) for a wide-ranging, deeply human conversation about UFOs/UAP, consciousness, and the strange edges of reality. Michael shares a high school “orb/fireball” sighting that still haunts him.. made even stranger by the fact that the other witnesses don’t remember it. From there, we go big: why the “nuts and bolts” don’t interest him as much as what the phenomenon means for humanity, how testimony (especially near-death experiences) shifted his worldview, and why the most […]

UAP Update: Nazca Mummies Debunked, FLIR Orbs, Pluribus Breakdown

Dan Zetterstrom / Double Barrel — Thu, 12 Feb 2026 14:20:29 +0000

Season Two starts exactly how we like it: coming out swinging. Dan and Roz are back to break down the latest in UAP culture and credibility, starting with a military FLIR clip of “orbs” that might be something extraordinary… or might be birds (yes, we’re devastated too). Then we dive into the Nazca mummies saga, where the internet’s favorite “alien bodies” run headfirst into niche expertise: skeletal radiologists and bioanthropologists pointing out bone grafts, amputations, mismatched growth plates, and why “unknown DNA” doesn’t necessarily mean “alien”. From there, we take a sharp left into Pluribus (Vince Gilligan’s unsettling hive-mind thought experiment): a virus delivered through a decoded signal, a […]

17 | Our Very First LIVE Show! New Years Extravaganza

Dan Zetterstrom / Double Barrel — Wed, 28 Jan 2026 15:45:32 +0000

In this episode, we’re doing something for the very first time: recording live. No script, no safety net—just an open, free-flowing conversation. We look back on the year behind us, wrestle with the big questions still hanging in the air, and explore where the ongoing conversation around UAPs, disclosure, and human curiosity might be headed.

What unfolds is part celebration, part reflection, and part deep dive. The night is full of unexpected moments, a few technical hiccups, insightful questions from a live audience, and a series of familiar voices who drop in to share their stories, perspectives, and hard-earned wisdom.

Joining us over the course of the show are Vinnie Adams (Disclosure Team), Richard Hatem (of The Mothman Prophecies and Richard Hatem's Paranormal Bookshelf), Dale Mugford (our technical producer!), and a special appearance from the one-and-only Luis Elizondo.

To everyone who joined us live, asked questions, and helped make this first one something special—thank you.

And as always: be curious. The universe is bigger than we know.

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16 | Season One: Greatest Hits!

Dan Zetterstrom / Double Barrel — Wed, 24 Dec 2025 22:09:08 +0000

Happy Holidays everyone! Whether you’re snuggling up by the fireplace with your pets, your people or just something warm in a mug… we’ve got the coziest kind of episode for you: a Christmas Eve “best of”, featuring Dan’s favourite moments from Season One. Today’s highlights include: ⏳ Richard Hatem (screenwriter, The Mothman Prophecies) on “time stuff,” precognition, and why questions about time can feel more unsettling than monsters. ️ Maya Cowan (cultural anthropologist) on Indigenous perspectives, UAP in history, and why space exploration can mirror settler colonialism—plus the ethical responsibility that comes with “the final frontier.” Dr. Michelle […]

15 | Stanton Friedman: Cosmic Watergate

Dan Zetterstrom / Double Barrel — Wed, 17 Dec 2025 18:42:07 +0000

Join us as we delve into the enigmatic world of UFOs with the legendary Stanton Friedman, in a never-before-seen interview recorded by Roz in 2016, before Friedman’s passing. In the ever-evolving discourse on UFOs and extraterrestrial life, few voices resonate as powerfully as that of Stanton Friedman, a nuclear physicist turned ufologist. With over fifty years of experience and a wealth of knowledge, Friedman challenges the narratives surrounding UFO sightings and government secrecy, shedding light on a subject often dismissed as mere fantasy. He unravels the mysteries of extraterrestrial visits, government secrecy, and the cosmic implications of our place in […]

14 | Geraldine Sutton-Stith : Night of the Goblins

Dan Zetterstrom / Double Barrel — Tue, 09 Dec 2025 19:40:50 +0000

In August 1955, a quiet farmhouse in Kelly, Kentucky became the center of one of the strangest UFO encounters in history: the Kelly–Hopkinsville Goblins case. Eleven witnesses claimed their home was surrounded all night by small, glowing, goblin-like beings that floated above the ground and seemed immune to shotgun blasts. In this episode, Dan Zetterström talks with Geraldine Sutton-Stith, daughter of lead witness Elmer “Lucky” Sutton, about what really happened that night. Geraldine walks us through the full Kelly–Hopkinsville encounter: the UFO seen dropping into a nearby gully, the “little men” at the windows, the gunfire, the glowing substance found on […]

13 | CONTACT: It Follows | David Pearce

Dan Zetterstrom / Double Barrel — Tue, 02 Dec 2025 16:30:01 +0000

This week on Contact, we follow the astonishing life of David Pearce, a man whose experiences with the unknown began in childhood and have shadowed him for decades. What starts as a simple night of stargazing in South Wales becomes the first chapter in a lifelong pattern of encounters—structured craft rotating silently in the sky, UFOs chased by RAF jets, and a recurring dream so vivid and terrifying it feels more like a memory than a nightmare. As David grows up, the phenomena grow with him. Strange lights glide through the valley. A house alive with inexplicable activity turns threatening. And then, […]

12 | The Signal : Interstellar Visitors

Dan Zetterstrom / Double Barrel — Tue, 25 Nov 2025 19:00:00 +0000

This week on The Signal, Dan and Roz dive into one of the most fascinating and chaotic news cycles yet. From groundbreaking peer-reviewed science to the strange messages humanity has beamed into the cosmos, this episode is packed. First, the duo unpack Beatriz Villarreal’s astonishing research into atmospheric transients captured in 1950s Palomar Observatory plates—flashes in the sky that appear, vanish, and correlate with nuclear tests and UFO reports at a staggering level of statistical certainty. Are we looking at the first scientific breadcrumbs of watchers in orbit? Then it’s a whirlwind tour through humanity’s own cosmic outreach—from the Voyager […]

11 | Between Worlds: Mediumship, UFOs, and the Human Journey with Sarah Gamm - Part 2

Dan Zetterstrom / Double Barrel — Tue, 18 Nov 2025 14:29:00 +0000

Sarah Gamm, ex-UAP Task Force analyst, unveils the secrets of mediumship, sharing her journey of connecting with spirit guides and angels, and the profound impact these connections continue to have on her life. Sarah’s captivating stories challenge conventional beliefs. Her insights will inspire you to look beyond the ordinary and embrace the wonders of the spiritual world. Remember to be curious – the universe is bigger than we know! Episode notes: www.tobehumanshow.com ✉️ Get in touch at: hello@tobehumanshow.com – – – – – – – – – – – – – – ✨ Support the Channel: Patreon (uncut, extended, […]

10 | SARAH GAMM: From Astrophysics to the UAP Task Force

Dan Zetterstrom / Double Barrel — Tue, 11 Nov 2025 19:24:33 +0000

Embark on an incredible journey with ex-UAP Task Force analyst Sarah Gamm, where the ordinary meets the extraordinary. From her roots as a fourth generation Missouri farmer to unraveling cosmic mysteries in the intelligence community, Sarah’s story is a captivating blend of science and intrigue. Join us as we dive into Sarah’s experiences with the UAP task force and discover the secrets that lie beyond the stars. Remember to be curious – the universe is bigger than we know! Episode notes: www.tobehumanshow.com ✉️ Get in touch at: hello@tobehumanshow.com – – – – – – – – – – – – […]

09 | CONTACT: Vinnie Adams & The Dancing Lights of La Peña de Juaica

Dan Zetterstrom / Double Barrel — Tue, 04 Nov 2025 15:23:23 +0000

UK UFO investigator Vinnie Adams of Disclosure Team takes us deep into the Colombian highlands—where a centuries-old mystery still burns across the night sky. In this Contact episode, Vinnie recounts his journey to La Peña de Juaica, a mountain long associated with ancestral spirits, portals, and strange plasma-like lights witnessed for generations. What began as an Instagram message led to a full-scale field investigation and the capture of rare 4K footage of the phenomenon—an experience that left Vinnie changed, humbled, and still searching for answers. Through history, myth, and modern research, this is a story of wonder, persistence, and what it means to truly encounter the unknown. […]

08 | Songs to the Stars: Whales & Non-Human Intelligence with Dr. Michelle Fournet

Dan Zetterstrom / Double Barrel — Tue, 28 Oct 2025 12:39:00 +0000

Marine ecologist and acoustic researcher Dr. Michelle Fournet takes us into the mysterious world of whale communication and one of the oldest cultures on Earth. We dive into the complexities of the ‘whup’ call, human impact on the environment, whale culture, and the role of curiosity in scientific discovery. We reflect on what whales – an intelligent, non-human species that communicate through intricate song – might teach us about connection, cooperation, and how we might one day speak to a Non-Human Intelligence after First Contact. Remember to be curious – the universe is bigger than we know! If you’d like […]

07 | The Signal : Non-Human Intelligence

Dan Zetterstrom / Double Barrel — Tue, 21 Oct 2025 12:13:22 +0000

As Halloween approaches, Dan & Roz dive into an packed episode of The Signal where they discuss the life & legacy of Jane Goodall, and the latest developments in the UAP / UFO world. They explore what Goodall’s work to uncover the societal hierarchies of chimpanzees can teach us about first contact, unpack Dylan Boland’s explosive new testimony on Weaponized, revisit reports of mysterious drones over Denmark, and an all new ‘UFO or UF-no?!’ Remember to be curious – the universe is bigger than we know! If you’d like to share an experience you’ve had or send in a listener […]

06 | CONTACT: A Leaf on the Wind - Dan Zetterström

Dan Zetterstrom / Double Barrel — Wed, 15 Oct 2025 12:18:05 +0000

In the first episode of CONTACT, host Dan Zetterström steps from behind the mic to share his own story of high strangeness – a night in South Wales, UK that forever changed the course of his life. What began as a skywatch under the stars became something else entirely: strange formations of owls, a zigzagging light that defied physics, and a series of synchronicities that, to this day, refuse to end. This is a story of initiation, of curiosity blossoming into calling, and a reminder that when you look into the abyss, sometimes the abyss looks back. Remember to be […]

05 | Culture & Contact: Exploring UAP with anthropologist Maya Cowan

Dan Zetterstrom / Double Barrel — Tue, 07 Oct 2025 11:55:11 +0000

Dan sits down with cultural anthropologist, PhD candidate, and graduate instructor, Maya Cowan, who’s carving new ground by studying UAPs through the lens of human culture, language, and ethics. From her family’s history with paranormal experiences to teaching one of the first university courses on UAP, Maya explores what it means to decode the unknown – whether it’s ancient DNA, the Peruvian mummies, or the star people of Indigenous traditions. Together, they dive into the ethics of studying the unexplained, the power of stigma in academia, how politics impacts knowledge, and why our future may depend on cultivating empathy and […]

04 | The Signal: Life As We Don't Know It

Dan Zetterstrom / Double Barrel — Tue, 30 Sep 2025 10:00:00 +0000

In this packed episode of What It Means to Be Human, Dan & Roz debrief the wild ride that was the latest U.S. Congressional UAP hearing – featuring fiery testimony, named names, and the profound experiences of whistleblowers like Dylan Borland. They explore NASA’s latest findings on Mars and ponder what actually counts as ‘life’? Plus, a look at recent developments in Brazil and Canada, and a new dose of UFO or UF-No – can you solve it before we do? Remember to be curious – the universe is bigger than we know! Episode notes: www.tobehumanshow.com ✉️ Get in touch […]

03 | Temporal Rifts & Creative Gifts: A Conversation with Richard Hatem Pt. 2

Dan Zetterstrom / Double Barrel — Tue, 23 Sep 2025 13:26:11 +0000

Screenwriter and author Richard Hatem (The Mothman Prophecies, Titans) returns for Part 2 of our conversation—diving even deeper into the mysteries of time, free will, and the strange intelligence behind paranormal encounters. We explore John Keel’s theories of “time cycles,” why precognition unsettles our notions of autonomy, and how different cultures interpret UFOs as everything from ancestor spirits to cosmic visitors. Richard also reflects on government secrecy, the Patterson-Gimlin Bigfoot film, and the ways media and advertising shape belief. Along the way, he shares creative advice for writers, book recommendations, and his vision of how simple human connection might be […]

02 | From Hollywood to High Strangeness: A Conversation with Richard Hatem Pt. 1

Dan Zetterstrom / Double Barrel — Wed, 17 Sep 2025 13:00:34 +0000

Join Dan Zetterstrom as he dives into the world of the paranormal with writer Richard Hatem, exploring Richard’s journey through mediums (TV, movies) to a podcaster with a passion for the supernatural. Discover the stories behind Richard’s work, including his experiences writing the Mothman Prophecies movie, and his podcast, Richard Hatem’s Paranormal Bookshelf. This episode offers a fascinating look at the intersection of creativity, mystery, and the human experience. Tune in for an engaging discussion that challenges our understanding of reality and the unknown. Part 1 of 2. Remember to be curious, the universe is bigger than we know. Episode […]